Updating the 50 greatest NBA players list..

[raspsa]

DO you think Manu or Tony could make it into the list of the 50 greatest ever NBA players? Certainly there are some on the list who have never even won a NBA ring, much less thrree as both guys have. Or have Tony and Manu played too few years to merit consideration?
Naturally, if one or both make the list, they'd have to bump off one or two of the guys currently on the list and it would be interesting to know your choices.

[mudyez]

on another board, we voted for the top 100 players and none of them made it

I think, at least manu deserves to be in the top100 basketball player list but maybe not in the top 100 nba players list...tony has a chance to become a top50 player, but only if he gets to the finals without timmy next to him.

[DAF86]

If it is 50 greatest NBA players no, but if it is 50 greatest basketball players then Manu should be in it.

[raspsa]

If it is 50 greatest NBA players no, but if it is 50 greatest basketball players then Manu should be in it.

I concur. Manu's achievements outside the of the NBA plus his NBA titles are hard to match. I think Tony needs a few more years before we can make any judgement.

[timvp]

No and No. Not even that close.

[romain.star]

No but they surely make the top 100 greatest NBA players list

[sonic21]

not even top 100

[romain.star]

not even top 100

ok. then give me 100 NBA players greater than those 2 lads

[sonic21]

in no particular order

1. Michael Jordan
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Earvin 'Magic' Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Bill Russell
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Oscar Robertson
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Tim Duncan
11. Jerry West
12. Julius Erving
13. Moses Malone
14. Elgin Baylor
15. Bob Pettit
16. John Havlicek
17. Karl Malone
18. George Mikan
19. David Robinson
20. Isiah Thomas
21. Charles Barkley
22. John Stockton
23. Bob Cousy
24. Kobe Bryant
25. Rick Barry
26. Scottie Pippen
27. Clyde Drexler
28. Gary Payton
29. Willis Reed
30. Patrick Ewing
31. Allen Iverson
32. Walt Frazier
33. Elvin Hayes
34. George Gervin
35. Jason Kidd
36. Dave Cowens
37. Kevin Garnett
38. Bob McAdoo
39. Nate Thurmond
40. Wes Unseld
41. Kevin McHale
42. Dolph Schayes
43. Dominique Wilkins
44. Bill Walton
45. Sam Jones
46. Kevin Johnson
47. Dennis Rodman
48. Dirk Nowitzki
49. Steve Nash
50. Billy Cunningham
51. Nate 'Tiny' Archibald
52. 'Pistol' Pete Maravich
53. Tracy McGrady
54. Hal Greer
55. Jerry Lucas
56. Robert Parish
57. Earl 'the Pearl' Monroe
58. Bernard King
59. Artis Gilmore
60. Alex English
61. James Worthy
62. Joe Dumars
63. Bill Sharman
64. Reggie Miller
65. Paul Arizin
66. Sidney Moncrief
67. Dave DeBusschere
68. Dave Bing
69. David Thompson
70. Lenny Wilkens
71. Adrian Dantley
72. Bob Lanier
73. Neil Johntson
74. Walt Bellamy
75. Vince Carter
76. Spencer Haywood
77. Ray Allen
78. Dennis Johnson
79. Bill lambi
80. Dikembe Mutombo
81. Connie Hawkins
82. Chris Webber
83. Chris Mullin
84. Grant Hill
85. Mitch Richmond
86. Dan Issel
87. 'Jumpin' Joe Fulks
88. Alonzo Mourning
89. Shawn Kemp
90. Mark Price
91. Anfernee 'Penny' Hardaway
92. Tommy Heinsohn
93. George McGinnis
94. Tim Hardaway
95. Mel Daniels
96. Bob Davies
97. Tom Chambers
98. Maurice Cheeks
99. Glen Rice
100. Mark Aguirre

Glen Rice
Larry Johnson
Bill Laimbeer

here's a list i found in another forum, ther's maybe 2 or 3 mistakes in this list so i added the last 3.

[Obstructed_View]

As much as I love both of them, neither of them belongs anywhere near a top 50 list. Give Parker several more years of great play and we might revisit for him. If you remove the NBA-only restriction, Manu's easily top 25.

[Bukefal]

Manu top 25? I don't think so. Tim should be on the list, as for tony he also should be on the list, but its too early to say, we need some more years.

[spursbird]

The list depends on who listed it. You can add Tony to the list of your own.

[Imposter Cleaner]

in no particular order

1. Michael Jordan
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Earvin 'Magic' Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Bill Russell
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Oscar Robertson
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Tim Duncan
11. Jerry West
12. Julius Erving
13. Moses Malone
14. Elgin Baylor
15. Bob Pettit
16. John Havlicek
17. Karl Malone
18. George Mikan
19. David Robinson
20. Isiah Thomas
21. Charles Barkley
22. John Stockton
23. Bob Cousy
24. Kobe Bryant
25. Rick Barry
26. Scottie Pippen
27. Clyde Drexler
28. Gary Payton
29. Willis Reed
30. Patrick Ewing
31. Allen Iverson
32. Walt Frazier
33. Elvin Hayes
34. George Gervin
35. Jason Kidd
36. Dave Cowens
37. Kevin Garnett
38. Bob McAdoo
39. Nate Thurmond
40. Wes Unseld
41. Kevin McHale
42. Dolph Schayes
43. Dominique Wilkins
44. Bill Walton
45. Sam Jones
46. Kevin Johnson
47. Dennis Rodman
48. Dirk Nowitzki
49. Steve Nash
50. Billy Cunningham
51. Nate 'Tiny' Archibald
52. 'Pistol' Pete Maravich
53. Tracy McGrady
54. Hal Greer
55. Jerry Lucas
56. Robert Parish
57. Earl 'the Pearl' Monroe
58. Bernard King
59. Artis Gilmore
60. Alex English
61. James Worthy
62. Joe Dumars
63. Bill Sharman
64. Reggie Miller
65. Paul Arizin
66. Sidney Moncrief
67. Dave DeBusschere
68. Dave Bing
69. David Thompson
70. Lenny Wilkens
71. Adrian Dantley
72. Bob Lanier
73. Neil Johntson
74. Walt Bellamy
75. Vince Carter
76. Spencer Haywood
77. Ray Allen
78. Dennis Johnson
79. Bill lambi
80. Dikembe Mutombo
81. Connie Hawkins
82. Chris Webber
83. Chris Mullin
84. Grant Hill
85. Mitch Richmond
86. Dan Issel
87. 'Jumpin' Joe Fulks
88. Alonzo Mourning
89. Shawn Kemp
90. Mark Price
91. Anfernee 'Penny' Hardaway
92. Tommy Heinsohn
93. George McGinnis
94. Tim Hardaway
95. Mel Daniels
96. Bob Davies
97. Tom Chambers
98. Maurice Cheeks
99. Glen Rice
100. Mark Aguirre

Glen Rice
Larry Johnson
Bill Laimbeer

here's a list i found in another forum, ther's maybe 2 or 3 mistakes in this list so i added the last 3.
I'm sure some guys on this list will be replaced by Lebron James and Kevin Durant in the very near future.

[exstatic]

Pssst. They're never going to actually update the top 50 list. It was a top 50 list because it was the 50th anniversary of the NBA. They'll just wait until the 75th anniversary and add 25 new players. To remove anyone would be disrespectful to a player that is most likely in the HOF.

[romain.star]

in no particular order

1. Michael Jordan
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Earvin 'Magic' Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Bill Russell
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Oscar Robertson
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Tim Duncan
11. Jerry West
12. Julius Erving
13. Moses Malone
14. Elgin Baylor
15. Bob Pettit
16. John Havlicek
17. Karl Malone
18. George Mikan
19. David Robinson
20. Isiah Thomas
21. Charles Barkley
22. John Stockton
23. Bob Cousy
24. Kobe Bryant
25. Rick Barry
26. Scottie Pippen
27. Clyde Drexler
28. Gary Payton
29. Willis Reed
30. Patrick Ewing
31. Allen Iverson
32. Walt Frazier
33. Elvin Hayes
34. George Gervin
35. Jason Kidd
36. Dave Cowens
37. Kevin Garnett
38. Bob McAdoo
39. Nate Thurmond
40. Wes Unseld
41. Kevin McHale
42. Dolph Schayes
43. Dominique Wilkins
44. Bill Walton
45. Sam Jones
46. Kevin Johnson
47. Dennis Rodman
48. Dirk Nowitzki
49. Steve Nash
50. Billy Cunningham
51. Nate 'Tiny' Archibald
52. 'Pistol' Pete Maravich
53. Tracy McGrady
54. Hal Greer
55. Jerry Lucas
56. Robert Parish
57. Earl 'the Pearl' Monroe
58. Bernard King
59. Artis Gilmore
60. Alex English
61. James Worthy
62. Joe Dumars
63. Bill Sharman
64. Reggie Miller
65. Paul Arizin
66. Sidney Moncrief
67. Dave DeBusschere
68. Dave Bing
69. David Thompson
70. Lenny Wilkens
71. Adrian Dantley
72. Bob Lanier
73. Neil Johntson
74. Walt Bellamy
75. Vince Carter
76. Spencer Haywood
77. Ray Allen
78. Dennis Johnson
79. Bill lambi
80. Dikembe Mutombo
81. Connie Hawkins
82. Chris Webber
83. Chris Mullin
84. Grant Hill
85. Mitch Richmond
86. Dan Issel
87. 'Jumpin' Joe Fulks
88. Alonzo Mourning
89. Shawn Kemp
90. Mark Price
91. Anfernee 'Penny' Hardaway
92. Tommy Heinsohn
93. George McGinnis
94. Tim Hardaway
95. Mel Daniels
96. Bob Davies
97. Tom Chambers
98. Maurice Cheeks
99. Glen Rice
100. Mark Aguirre

Glen Rice
Larry Johnson
Bill Laimbeer

here's a list i found in another forum, ther's maybe 2 or 3 mistakes in this list so i added the last 3.


Nice list but IMHO Manu and TP individual and collective achievements in this league put them ahead of players like Tim Hardaway, Larry Johnson, Glen Rice, Mark Price, Mitch Richmond, C. Webber......

[TMTTRIO]

Tony has a chance. He's still really young and has accomplished a lot already individually in the NBA. Manu on the other hand probably has no shot in the NBA. There's many more players that have a lot more individual accomplishments in the NBA than he does. Not saying this is fair but Manu really hasn't accomplished a lot individually in the NBA other than helping this team win and getting the 6MOY award which I still think is a stupid award. He was lucky to have been a one time AS in the NBA (heck even Finley has been an AS more than once). Now as far as his international career goes I think not too long ago he was one of the top 50 on the list as far as international players go.

[samikeyp]

pssst. They're never going to actually update the top 50 list. It was a top 50 list because it was the 50th anniversary of the nba. They'll just wait until the 75th anniversary and add 25 new players. To remove anyone would be disrespectful to a player that is most likely in the hof.

+1

[FromWayDowntown]

To remove anyone would be disrespectful to a player that is most likely in the HOF.

Every single one of the Top 50 who is already eligible for the Hall of Fame is in. I think at this point, we're waiting mostly on Shaq to retire to have the whole group of them in.

And your larger premise is exactly right. The Top 50 list will never be revised, other than by fans in internet forums.

[Kermit]

Wait. Are people actually trying to argue that Manu is one of the 50 greatest players of all time?:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:rollin

Holy shit I'm crying.

[DAF86]

Wait. Are people actually trying to argue that Manu is one of the 50 greatest players of all time? :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:rollin

Holy shit I'm crying.

What are you saying here? that you find funny that people don't consider him one of the greatest 50 basketball players of all-time, or that there's people that think he could be?

[DAF86]

As much as I love both of them, neither of them belongs anywhere near a top 50 list. Give Parker several more years of great play and we might revisit for him. If you remove the NBA-only restriction, Manu's easily top 25.


Manu top 25? I don't think so. Tim should be on the list, as for tony he also should be on the list, but its too early to say, we need some more years.

If you remove the NBA only restriction, yes he is. He's one of the few players to win all the biggest events in basketball while beign a major part of his teams (MVP of every tournament he won, except for the NBA where he came one vote short of getting finals MVP).

[sananspursfan21]

maybe by the end of his career depending on what he accomplishes could tony make it, but manu wouldn't even get close

[Brazil]

I do not consider for instance that AI is > Manu or TP.

[Obstructed_View]

Wait. Are people actually trying to argue that Manu is one of the 50 greatest players of all time?:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:rollin

Holy shit I'm crying.

I haven't seen anyone try to make that case anywhere in this thread, aside from the OP asking the question.

[HarlemHeat37]

Manu will obviously never come close from an NBA-only perspective. TP could get close, but we'd have to win another title, since I'm assuming he would be our #1 option. It's obviously a really tough list though, so I don't expect him to make it.

We've been fortunate to have a guy that will be in the top 10 when it's all set and done though.

[duncan228]

(MVP of every tournament he won, except for the NBA where he came one vote short of getting finals MVP).

Just for the record, the '05 Finals MVP vote was 6-4 Duncan-Manu. So Manu was one vote short of being co-MVP, two votes short of being the MVP. :)

[Galileo]

Just for the record, the '05 Finals MVP vote was 6-4 Duncan-Manu. So Manu was one vote short of being co-MVP, two votes short of being the MVP. :)

Duncan got one vote for Finals MVP in 2007.

[Obstructed_View]

Just for the record, the '05 Finals MVP vote was 6-4 Duncan-Manu. So Manu was one vote short of being co-MVP, two votes short of being the MVP. :)

I thought there were an odd number of voters so there could be no co-MVP.

[sook]

No and No. Not even that close.

this.

TD without a doubt. Parker will make it into the hall eventually, Manu doesn't even come close.

[SA210]

If you remove the NBA only restriction, yes he is. He's one of the few players to win all the biggest events in basketball while beign a major part of his teams (MVP of every tournament he won, except for the NBA where he came one vote short of getting finals MVP).

[duncan228]

I thought there were an odd number of voters so there could be no co-MVP.

There are nine media votes, the tenth was a fan vote.


The NBA nearly had to order an extra Finals MVP trophy following the Spurs' championship. Tim Duncan, who joined Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson and Shaquille O'Neal as the only players to win the award at least three times, received six votes to Manu Ginobili's four.

The nine media voters -- fan balloting on NBA.com accounted for the 10th vote -- were not allowed to split their ballots among multiple players.

The vote breakdown from '05:

Duncan:

Mike Monroe S. A. Express
C. McCoskey Detroit News
J. McCallum Sport Illustrated
Hubie Brown Canal ABC
Jack Ramsay ESPN Radio
S. Aschburner Minneapolis Tribune

Manu:

J. Ludden S. A. Express
Perry Farrel Detroit F. Press
David Dupree USA Today
fan vote nba.com

[lefty]

1. Duncan

2 to 50 : other pieces of shit

[TMTTRIO]

TD without a doubt. Parker will make it into the hall eventually, Manu doesn't even come close.

Actually Manu's probably in even if he decided to hang it up and retire today not for his NBA career though but for his overall international career and accomplishments.

[D-ROB 50]

I would rather have manu or parker on my team than about 5 of those dudes. ex. rodman, chambers, richmond etc...

[Hornets1]

I do not consider for instance that AI is > Manu or TP.

I hope thats a joke. This is about an entire career, not a present day list. Bias will happen, but that is just insanity.

BTW, TP, CP, Howard, Wade, LeBron, D-Will, KD, Derrick Rose, Agent Zero(if he finishes his career healthy), and others would be on that list before manu before all is said and done.

[DAF86]

I hope thats a joke. This is about an entire career, not a present day list. Bias will happen, but that is just insanity.

BTW, TP, CP, Howard, Wade, LeBron, D-Will, KD, Derrick Rose, Agent Zero(if he finishes his career healthy), and others would be on that list before manu before all is said and done.

I agree that in terms of individual acomplishments Manu doesn't even come close to AI on the NBA, but if you give me to choose between a young Iverson and a young Manu to start my team, give me young Manu anyday of the week.

[DAF86]

Just for the record, the '05 Finals MVP vote was 6-4 Duncan-Manu. So Manu was one vote short of being co-MVP, two votes short of being the MVP. :)

co-MVP still makes you an MVP :D

[DAF86]

this.

TD without a doubt. Parker will make it into the hall eventually, Manu doesn't even come close.

Manu is already a hall of famer (I think this is like 100th time I make this comment :lol)

[baseline bum]

in no particular order

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Yeah, it's pretty hard to put Tony over more than a few on that list, and LeBron, Howard, CP3, and Durant will surely end up higher anyways. Maybe DWill and Rose too. Manu you absolutely could never make an argument for top 100.

[baseline bum]

I agree that in terms of individual acomplishments Manu doesn't even come close to AI on the NBA, but if you give me to choose between a young Iverson and a young Manu to start my team, give me young Manu anyday of the week.

I'd take a young Iverson over a young Manu any day of the week... now an old Manu vs an old Iverson, I'd clearly take Manu. :lol

[duncan228]

co-MVP still makes you an MVP :D

Yes it does. :)

[baseline bum]

I would rather have manu or parker on my team than about 5 of those dudes. ex. rodman, chambers, richmond etc...

If you could give me Detroit Rodman, I would strongly disagree. Maybe even Chicago Rodman. SA, LA, or Dallas Rodman, definitely.

[ulosturedge]

You need longevity in the NBA to make that list. You also needed to have made somewhat heavy statistical contributions along the way. Manu is neither on pace for a long NBA career nor has the heavy statistical contributions to put him in talks with the majority of those ppl on that list. And i'm just referring to where Manu is lacking. His value is in things that are hard to quantify. He is as good as anyone when it comes to being clutch and doing intangible things. So many times he single-handedly won games for us in past playoffs series. The dude only thinks "win" and gets us their in so many different ways. I would definitely take Manu in his prime on my team up their with alot of ppl on that list.

TP has a chance to make the list considering he is on pace for a pretty long career and is also starting to turn over a new leaf with his role on the Spurs.

P.s. Dikembe Mutombo? Grant Hill? Even Alonzo is kind of suspect to me.

[exstatic]

this.

TD without a doubt. Parker will make it into the hall eventually, Manu doesn't even come close.

Manu's a mortal lock for the HOF, right now. You do realize that it's the Basketball HOF and not the NBA HOF, right? There are girls, referees, coaches, Euros, and NCAA players who never played 1 minute of NBA ball inducted already. Between his Euroleague, FIBA, and NBA careers, he's goin' in. If you go to the website, look at the career bio for the late Drazen Petrovic. It's the prototype for the Euro/FIBA/NBA player that you will see going into the hall.

[Kermit]

I haven't seen anyone try to make that case anywhere in this thread, aside from the OP asking the question.


If it is 50 greatest NBA players no, but if it is 50 greatest basketball players then Manu should be in it.



You fail at life.

[DAF86]

You fail at life.

You fail at reading comprehension. I said that if the list is NBA restricted (which it is) then Manu isn't even close, but if the list is about basketball in general, then yes he should make it. And if you don't think so, then you also fail at basketball knowledge.

[Bukefal]

Why are you seeing and mentioning manu in the same list with all those great players, he shouldnt even been mentioned in this topic. Manu is no way, not even the smallest tiny part of what TD and TP and all the other good nba players are. TD and TP are hall of famers. And manu? -----> :lmao

[Obstructed_View]

You fail at life.

Ironic that you're named after a puppet that teaches people how to fuckin' read. :lmao

[Kermit]

If it is 50 greatest NBA players no, but if it is 50 greatest basketball players then Manu should be in it. No where in this sentence to I mention that the 50 greatest basketball players would exclude NBA players. Nowhere. The fact that I'm arguing that I did is a make believe fantasy, reminiscent of the skits on Sesame Street.

[Kermit]

Ironic that you're named after a puppet that teaches people how to fuckin' read. Wow. I'm retarded. You actually can read. I will now autofelate myself.

[Tacker]

The first set of 50 greatest players was from a span of 50 years, this second set is from a span of 10 years, Im sure there will be even more great players in the later years that will take the spots of some of the guys you have on the list.

[Obstructed_View]

I don't know the distinction between "NBA" and "basketball". I'm gonna go fuck my mom now.

[DAF86]

Why are you seeing and mentioning manu in the same list with all those great players, he shouldnt even been mentioned in this topic. Manu is no way, not even the smallest tiny part of what TD and TP and all the other good nba players are. TD and TP are hall of famers. And manu? -----> :lmao

Hey Bukefal, stop talking out of your ass, and go learn something about the Basketball Hall of fame, Manu is already a first ballot Hall of Famer.

[DAF86]

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Kermit you're an idiot, do you think that all of the great basketball players have played in the NBA? There are lots of great players (hall of famer players) that would have been stars in the NBA and that never set a foot in an NBA court.
Even though the NBA is easily the best league in the world, it isn't the only one, and luckily not all people are as ignorant as you and they care about other things besides the NBA.
You can't make a list of "50 greatest something of all-time" based only on your subjetivity, you need to put champions in there and out of those champions you need to take the guys with the most individual distinctions. Manu wouldn't make a list of 50 greatest NBA players, because besides that he got to the league at a relatively old age he doesn't have the individual acomplishments to make the cut (only an all-star, a 6th man award and a third all-NBA team) that's why guys like Iverson, Rodman, Stockton, Barkley and a bunch of others are ahead of him. But if you translate that into Basketball in general then you realize that Manu is an: Euroleague champion (MVP), Olympics gold medalist (MVP) and NBA champion (one vote short of beign finals MVP, so you know he isn't just a role player) among other championships and individual accolades. Take all that into consideration and in a list of 50 greatest basketball players of all-time you have to put him ahead of all those guys I named before that are better positionated than him on the NBA.

[wildbill2u]

Pssst. They're never going to actually update the top 50 list. It was a top 50 list because it was the 50th anniversary of the NBA. They'll just wait until the 75th anniversary and add 25 new players. To remove anyone would be disrespectful to a player that is most likely in the HOF.


Exactly. And the older players would get shoved off the list because none of the newer fans would have a clue about them.

Let's just keep the list as the Best 50 of the First Fifty Years and move on to the Best 50 of the Second Fifty or whatever.