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duncan228
05-06-2009, 02:16 PM
Howard, Bryant headline 2008-09 NBA All-Defensive First Team (http://www.nba.com/2009/news/05/06/defensive.team/index.html)
By Official Release

NEW YORK, May 6, 2009 -- Orlando Magic center Dwight Howard, winner of the 2008-09 Defensive Player of the Year Award presented by Kia Motors, and guard Kobe Bryant of the Los Angeles Lakers headline the NBA All-Defensive First Team, the NBA announced today. By totaling 55 points overall, including 27 First Team votes, Howard edged Bryant (53 points overall and 24 First Team votes) as the leading vote-getter.

Also selected to the All-Defensive First Team are forward LeBron James of the Cleveland Cavaliers (47 points), New Orleans Hornets guard Chris Paul (36 points) and Boston Celtics forward Kevin Garnett (35 points).

Howard led the league in rebounds (13.8 ppg) and blocks (2.9 bpg), becoming only the fifth player to lead the league in both categories in the same season (Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, L.A. Lakers, 1975-76; Bill Walton, Portland 1976-77; Hakeem Olajuwon, Houston, 1989-90; Ben Wallace, Detroit, 2001-02). Howard and the Magic held opponents under 100 points 54 times this season -- compiling a 43-11 record in those games.

The NBA All-Defensive Second Team consists of center Tim Duncan of the San Antonio Spurs, guards Dwyane Wade of the Miami Heat and Rajon Rondo of the Boston Celtics, and forwards Shane Battier and Ron Artest of the Houston Rockets. Duncan has been selected to the NBA All-Defensive team 12 consecutive seasons.

The voting panel consisted of the NBA's 30 head coaches, who were asked to select NBA All-Defensive First and Second Teams by position. Coaches were not permitted to vote for players from their own team. Two points were awarded for a First Team vote and one point was awarded for a Second Team vote.

Below are the results for the 2008-09 NBA All-Defensive Teams balloting:

2008-09 NBA ALL-DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAM
Position Player, Team 1st 2nd Points

Center Dwight Howard, Orlando 27 1 55
Guard Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 24 5 53
Forward LeBron James, Cleveland 22 3 47
Guard Chris Paul, New Orleans 15 6 36
Forward Kevin Garnett, Boston 13 9 35

2008-09 NBA ALL-DEFENSIVE SECOND TEAM
Position Player, Team 1st 2nd Points

Center Tim Duncan, San Antonio 10 10 30
Guard Dwyane Wade, Miami 9 8 26
Guard Rajon Rondo, Boston 4 15 23
Forward Shane Battier, Houston 6 10 22
Forward Ron Artest, Houston 5 12 22


Other players receiving votes, with point totals (First Team votes in parentheses): Tayshaun Prince, Detroit, 15 (3); Raja Bell, Charlotte, 8 (2); Joel Przybilla, Portland, 7 (1); Chauncey Billups, Denver, 5; Ronnie Brewer, Utah, 5 (1); Andre Iguodala, Philadelphia, 5; Yao Ming, Houston, 5; Emeka Okafor, Charlotte, 5 (1); Kendrick Perkins, Boston, 4 (1); Samuel Dalembert, Philadelphia, 3; Derek Fisher, L.A. Lakers, 3 (1); Udonis Haslem, Miami, 3; Jason Kidd, Dallas, 3 (1); Anderson Varejao, Cleveland, 3; Deron Williams, Utah, 3; Trevor Ariza, L.A. Lakers, 2; Kirk Hinrich, Chicago, 2; Joe Johnson, Atlanta, 2 (1); Andrei Kirilenko, Utah, 2 (1); David Lee, New York, 2 (1); James Posey, New Orleans, 2; J.R. Smith, Denver, 2 (1); Gerald Wallace, Charlotte, 2; Nenê, Denver, 1; Chris Andersen, Denver, 1; Pau Gasol, L.A. Lakers, 1; Antonio McDyess, Detroit, 1; Andre Miller, Philadelphia, 1; Travis Outlaw, Portland, 1; Brandon Roy, Portland, 1; Rasheed Wallace, Detroit, 1.

tp2021
05-06-2009, 02:18 PM
No Bruce.

DPG21920
05-06-2009, 02:19 PM
Derek Fisher :lmao

DPG21920
05-06-2009, 02:19 PM
No Bruce.

No playing time.

balli
05-06-2009, 02:21 PM
Chrissy Paul? GMAFB? Oh, but he gets a lot of steals right? Yeah, GMAFB.

As long as they're giving a first team spot to a broken down KG who didn't play all spring, I'd have like to have seen Duncan there instead so they could put a true center in the second team's, y'know, center spot.

What a fucking joke these lists are.

024
05-06-2009, 02:24 PM
jokes aside, another accomplishment duncan can add to his loooooooooonnnggg list.

lefty
05-06-2009, 02:26 PM
Lebron and Garnett over Duncan ?


Are you fucking kidding me ?

SA210
05-06-2009, 02:27 PM
No Bruce.


Thanks Pop!

:pctoss

FromWayDowntown
05-06-2009, 02:39 PM
Should make 12 straight years of being First or Second Team All-NBA and First or Second Team All-Defense for Timmy.

By the way, by making his 12th All-Defense team, Duncan sets a record for most selections to such teams in history (since they came into existence). He had been tied with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Bobby Jones with 11 nods as an All-Defense player.

Nobody had (http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/all_defense_by_player.html) ever made 12 All-Defense teams.

Now someone has.

duncan228
05-06-2009, 02:42 PM
Nobody had (http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/all_defense_by_player.html) ever made 12 All-Defense teams.

Now someone has.

:)

What an amazing career, an amazing resume. He's been such a gift to the game.

Thomas82
05-06-2009, 02:43 PM
When do they announce the All-NBA teams? They better have Tim on the first team this year.

Thomas82
05-06-2009, 02:43 PM
:)

What an amazing career, an amazing resume. He's been such a gift to the game.

+1
He is the gift that keeps on giving.

Spurs Brazil
05-06-2009, 02:52 PM
Congrats TD!

thekingrobert
05-06-2009, 03:09 PM
Garnett huh WOW

ambchang
05-06-2009, 03:17 PM
I was just thinking last night that All-NBA and All-D teams are better indicators of a player's excellence as compared to MVPs and DPOYs because the former were selected by coaches, while the later by the press.

Then this list came out, and we have CP3 on the 1st team. WTH? I thought coaches actually know what they are doing.

Lady M
05-06-2009, 03:18 PM
I'm not sure the coaches are the best for voting
When you see some defense you know they don't know what it means

ducks
05-06-2009, 03:22 PM
I'm not sure the coaches are the best for voting
When you see some defense you know they don't know what it means
yeah I am sure you are more qualified

samikeyp
05-06-2009, 03:29 PM
If they would have correctly listed him at his position, forward, he might have made first team.

DPG21920
05-06-2009, 03:36 PM
So who on these lists deserves to be there then?

Obstructed_View
05-06-2009, 03:46 PM
Jason Kidd got a first team vote.

Brutalis
05-06-2009, 03:47 PM
If they would have correctly listed him at his position, forward, he might have made first team.

Mugen
05-06-2009, 04:03 PM
Maybe Tim should start punking more euro point guards and barking like a dog if he wants to make it to the 1st team.

duncan228
05-06-2009, 04:03 PM
Duncan earns defensive mention, Bowen does not (http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2009/05/duncan-earns-de.html)
By Jeff McDonald

One Spurs player's All-Defensive streak has continued. Another's has been broken.

Tim Duncan earned his 12th consecutive mention on the NBA's annual defensive honor roll, released this afternoon. Duncan was a second-team honoree, selected in a vote of all 30 NBA coaches.

Meanwhile, Bruce Bowen failed to garner a spot on either team for the first time since 1999-2000. He had been a first-team honoree for five straight seasons before breaking his All-Defensive streak this season.

Limited to a reserve role this season, Bowen do not draw a single vote from the league's coaches.

This year's first team consisted of Orlando's Dwight Howard (the leading vote-getter), Los Angeles' Kobe Bryant, Cleveland's LeBron James, New Orleans' Chris Paul and Boston's Kevin Garnett.

Joining Duncan on the second team are Miami's Dwyane Wade, Boston's Rajon Rondo, and the Houston duo of Shane Battier and Ron Artest.

timvp
05-06-2009, 04:10 PM
J.R. Smith got a first team vote? Holy hell.

Any yeah, CP3 doesn't deserve first team. He's obviously good at stealing the ball but that's about all he does well defensively. Rondo is a better defender ... heck, Wade probably deserves it more than CP3. Kidd is still a better defender than CP3.

But I will give credit to CP3 because he's not nearly as bad as AI or Larry Hughes when it comes to living off of steals. He actually gets a good amount of his steals by swarming down on bigs or hawking his own man. He's not a passing lane whore.

ploto
05-06-2009, 04:19 PM
Thought Wade might make the first team- and even possibly Battier over KG this season.

It is interesting that the coaches consider Duncan a center. Makes me wonder if he will be considered a center for the all-NBA team (although voted differently).

eric365
05-06-2009, 04:21 PM
the coaches are too lazy.
they just renamed the all nba team 1st team of last year :lol

TDMVPDPOY
05-06-2009, 04:24 PM
duncan robbed....

Hornets1
05-06-2009, 04:26 PM
J.R. Smith got a first team vote? Holy hell.

Any yeah, CP3 doesn't deserve first team. He's obviously good at stealing the ball but that's about all he does well defensively. Rondo is a better defender ... heck, Wade probably deserves it more than CP3. Kidd is still a better defender than CP3.

But I will give credit to CP3 because he's not nearly as bad as AI or Larry Hughes when it comes to living off of steals. He actually gets a good amount of his steals by swarming down on bigs or hawking his own man. He's not a passing lane whore.

JR doesnt even play defense. I disagree with what you said about CP, obviously. I can understand Rondo, maybe Wade, but Kidd? Paul has OWNED Kidd and the Mavs since they traded Devin Harris for him. Arrogant statement.

BTW, Congats TD, you deserved it. 12 years in a row! Just amazing! HOF voters are going to put as much thought about putting TD in the HOF as they did with MJ. He's prolly been a lock for 5 years now.

crc21209
05-06-2009, 04:30 PM
KG over TD is a fucking JOKE. KG was out basically the whole 2nd half of the year almost.

DAF86
05-06-2009, 04:34 PM
NBA's all-defensive teams voting is a joke, it's more like the starting line-up for an all-star team. Kobe Bryant's defense is one of the most overrated things in the history of the league. And Garnett didn't play enough to get any kind of consideration. Paul's assigment is also a joke.

My NBA defensive team:

Rondo
Artest (or Wade)
Battier
James
Howard

IMO Duncan doesn't deserve first NBA all-defensive team this year.

Leetonidas
05-06-2009, 04:48 PM
The Second team is better defensively by far than the First team. :lol

dbreiden83080
05-06-2009, 04:55 PM
KG over Duncan, he only played 57 games and wasn't better on D than Timmy in any one of them..

duncan228
05-06-2009, 05:14 PM
Updated:

UPDATE: This just in from the Spurs' p.r. department ... Duncan is now the only player in NBA history to earn 12 All-Defensive mentions. He previously shared the record of 11 with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.



Duncan earns defensive mention, Bowen does not (http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2009/05/duncan-earns-de.html)
By Jeff McDonald

One Spurs player's All-Defensive streak has continued. Another's has been broken.

Tim Duncan earned his 12th consecutive mention on the NBA's annual defensive honor roll, released this afternoon. Duncan was a second-team honoree, selected in a vote of all 30 NBA coaches.

Meanwhile, Bruce Bowen failed to garner a spot on either team for the first time since 1999-2000. He had been a first-team honoree for five straight seasons before breaking his All-Defensive streak this season.

Limited to a reserve role this season, Bowen do not draw a single vote from the league's coaches.

This year's first team consisted of Orlando's Dwight Howard (the leading vote-getter), Los Angeles' Kobe Bryant, Cleveland's LeBron James, New Orleans' Chris Paul and Boston's Kevin Garnett.

Joining Duncan on the second team are Miami's Dwyane Wade, Boston's Rajon Rondo, and the Houston duo of Shane Battier and Ron Artest.

ploto
05-06-2009, 05:43 PM
UPDATE: This just in from the Spurs' p.r. department ... Duncan is now the only player in NBA history to earn 12 All-Defensive mentions. He previously shared the record of 11 with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

This just in from FromWayDowntown...


By the way, by making his 12th All-Defense team, Duncan sets a record for most selections to such teams in history (since they came into existence). He had been tied with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Bobby Jones with 11 nods as an All-Defense player.

Nobody had ever made 12 All-Defense teams.

Now someone has. :king

HarlemHeat37
05-06-2009, 05:46 PM
Duncan didn't deserve 1st team, but KG shouldn't be ahead of him..I can't really think of anyone that should actually..Artest wasn't that good defensively..Duncan was playing with 4 average or below average starters though, so it's tough on him..

Kobe and Paul LOL..

SA210
05-06-2009, 05:51 PM
Duncan earns defensive mention, Bowen does not (http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2009/05/duncan-earns-de.html)
By Jeff McDonald

One Spurs player's All-Defensive streak has continued. Another's has been broken.

Tim Duncan earned his 12th consecutive mention on the NBA's annual defensive honor roll, released this afternoon. Duncan was a second-team honoree, selected in a vote of all 30 NBA coaches.

Meanwhile, Bruce Bowen failed to garner a spot on either team for the first time since 1999-2000. He had been a first-team honoree for five straight seasons before breaking his All-Defensive streak this season.

Limited to a reserve role this season, Bowen do not draw a single vote from the league's coaches.

This year's first team consisted of Orlando's Dwight Howard (the leading vote-getter), Los Angeles' Kobe Bryant, Cleveland's LeBron James, New Orleans' Chris Paul and Boston's Kevin Garnett.

Joining Duncan on the second team are Miami's Dwyane Wade, Boston's Rajon Rondo, and the Houston duo of Shane Battier and Ron Artest.


Stupid ass Pop. Bowen goes for 5 straight 1st team to NOTHING at all. Makes no damn sense at all.

:pop::pctoss

FromWayDowntown
05-06-2009, 06:04 PM
Updated:

UPDATE: This just in from the Spurs' p.r. department ... Duncan is now the only player in NBA history to earn 12 All-Defensive mentions. He previously shared the record of 11 with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

I was going to say -- that sounds familiar.

The exclusion of Bobby Jones from the revised release makes sense in that Jones made several All-Defense teams in the ABA and 11 is the total of his NBA and ABA selections. So Duncan's 12 NBA All-Defense nods eclipses only Kareem's 11 All-Defense selections.

Whatever, it's the professional record, to be sure.

Josepatches_
05-06-2009, 08:42 PM
yeah I am sure you are more qualified

+1

But KG doesn't deserve to be in the first team.His numbers are near to be the worst of his career

Josepatches_
05-06-2009, 08:43 PM
KG over Duncan, he only played 57 games and wasn't better on D than Timmy in any one of them..

+1

What a joke

ploto
05-06-2009, 09:30 PM
People usually complain about the DPOY (especially when Bowen did not win it) because it is selected by the media. They always said the NBA All-Defensive team selections (which Bruce would lead) were more accurate because the coaches vote. Now, the coaches are wrong because TD is second-team and listed as a center. :lol

dbreiden83080
05-07-2009, 12:11 AM
I don't care how many morons out there still want to cry about being bored by his game. With all the Rings, the MVP's, Finals MVP's, All NBA teams and Defensive Teams, this is one of the best players that ever lived. Top 10 player ever.. The haters can kiss my ASS!!!

completely deck
05-07-2009, 12:35 AM
More fuel for TD's fire for next year.

Galileo
05-07-2009, 01:05 AM
Duncan effin SECOND TEAM!! What an effin JOKE!!!

He should be 1st team & DPOY!!!!

He lost 1st team, all-D'er Bruce Bowen from the lineup, and Bowen has lost a step from age.

He got undersized & unathletic Bonner as his backcourt mate, instead of Oberto, who at least has an NBA body and some experience.

He lost Manu for most of the season. Manu lead the Spurs in steals for the last 5 seasons; 2004-2008. Manu has been the only Spur good at forcing TOs for many years.

And what happened?

With Tim, we were 2nd in the NBA in points allowed per game.

Sean Cagney
05-07-2009, 02:11 AM
KG over TD is a fucking JOKE. KG was out basically the whole 2nd half of the year almost.
Hey now he is a media darling and plays in Boston! WHY NOT!!!!!!!!

Chieflion
05-07-2009, 02:48 AM
Dwayne Wade should replace Kobe on 1st team. Chris Paul should not even be there. Rondo should be up there. KG? No comments about the faggot. LeBron James has played great defense this season.

texbumTHElife
05-07-2009, 03:00 AM
NBA's all-defensive teams voting is a joke, it's more like the starting line-up for an all-star team. Kobe Bryant's defense is one of the most overrated things in the history of the league. And Garnett didn't play enough to get any kind of consideration. Paul's assigment is also a joke.

My NBA defensive team:

Rondo
Artest (or Wade)
Battier
James
Howard

IMO Duncan doesn't deserve first NBA all-defensive team this year.

I am texbumTHElife, and I endorse this post.

Obstructed_View
05-07-2009, 03:53 AM
So let me get this straight, Duncan is behind Garnett on voting when Garnett:

A) Missed a good portion of the season.

and

B) Averaged 8 rebounds and a block a game. EIGHT REBOUNDS and ONE BLOCK per game.


They may want to consider having people vote that actually watch games, or have some idea of what's going on and don't simply go by big names. I'd actually goes as far to say that Perkins is a better defensive player than Garnett at this point in their careers.

It's the Jordan for MVP effect. People get so used to seeing great numbers from him that they completely fail to notice when he gets them after a while.

Thomas82
05-07-2009, 12:03 PM
Duncan effin SECOND TEAM!! What an effin JOKE!!!

He should be 1st team & DPOY!!!!

He lost 1st team, all-D'er Bruce Bowen from the lineup, and Bowen has lost a step from age.

He got undersized & unathletic Bonner as his backcourt mate, instead of Oberto, who at least has an NBA body and some experience.

He lost Manu for most of the season. Manu lead the Spurs in steals for the last 5 seasons; 2004-2008. Manu has been the only Spur good at forcing TOs for many years.

And what happened?

With Tim, we were 2nd in the NBA in points allowed per game.


So let me get this straight, Duncan is behind Garnett on voting when Garnett:

A) Missed a good portion of the season.

and

B) Averaged 8 rebounds and a block a game. EIGHT REBOUNDS and ONE BLOCK per game.


They may want to consider having people vote that actually watch games, or have some idea of what's going on and don't simply go by big names. I'd actually goes as far to say that Perkins is a better defensive player than Garnett at this point in their careers.


I agree with both of these posts.

wildbill2u
05-07-2009, 12:05 PM
Note that Houston had Artest and Battier on the second team. Houston is a team that will go places with a little more confidence.