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FaithInOne
05-07-2009, 09:56 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090506/media_nm/us_media_newspapers_congress

By John Poirier John Poirier – Wed May 6, 7:31 pm ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The U.S. government could provide tax breaks for newspapers or allow them to operate as nonprofits to help the struggling business survive, Sen. John Kerry said Wednesday.
Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat, said Congress can help the industry hit by a collapse in advertising revenue, debt that is getting harder to repay and the drift of print subscribers to free online news websites.
Without newspapers, Kerry and other lawmakers said at a Senate subcommittee hearing Wednesday, there will be too few journalists investigating governments, companies and individuals.
"I think there are definitely some things we can do to encourage, to help the situation without stepping over any line," Kerry told Reuters after holding a hearing on the future of journalism.
Kerry, chairman of the Senate Commerce Subcommittee on Communications, was referring to the idea that federal, state and local governments should not offer subsidies or other financial help to newspapers because it would make them beholden to politicians. This, in turn, could discourage critical stories or investigations.
Kerry's interest in newspapers sharpened in the past several weeks. The Massachusetts Democrat counts The Boston Globe as his hometown paper, and was dismayed to see that parent company New York Times Co was ready to shut it down because it is losing money.
The Globe was able to avoid closing after reaching a tentative agreement with its biggest union on getting cost concessions that would help the paper survive, though not erase its losses.
"I'm happy they reached some sort of agreement," Kerry said, adding that he did not know the details of the deal.
Kerry invited representatives of the newspaper, TV news and online media businesses, including Google Inc, where many people read their news, to discuss how to stave off an industry collapse.
He said the hearing was the first in a series that will focus on how to help newspapers adjust to the new media landscape.
They are considering tax relief methods, including how and when publishers can classify operating losses, and whether newspapers should be allowed to operate as nonprofit companies for educational purposes.
"I think it's worth looking at this nonprofit piece, certainly clarifying that," Kerry said.
Subcommittee members said they wanted to figure out how to preserve "the core societal function that is served by an independent and diverse news media."
"I'm afraid we're going to lose that watchdog if we don't figure this out," said Sen. Amy Klobuchar, a Minnesota Democrat whose father was a journalist for the Associated Press and the Minneapolis Star Tribune.
(Additional reporting by Robert MacMillan in New York; Editing by David Gregorio)

Winehole23
05-07-2009, 10:00 AM
Why does this stand out for you as an example of corporate welfare? There isn't even a bill yet.

The banner may be worthwhile, but your example is totally frivolous.

Barry O'Bama
05-07-2009, 10:06 AM
I support corporate welfare, but I will continue to grandstand and tell all of my people how bad corporate Amerikkka is.

Wild Cobra
05-07-2009, 10:20 AM
Maybe if the newspapers would be unbiased in their reporting, editorials, and endorsement, more people would subscribe to them...

I say let them fail.

They're just another liberal tool of indoctrination.

Winehole23
05-07-2009, 10:47 AM
WSJ, Washington Times, New York Post, Manchester Union-Leader Pittsburgh Tribune Review, Chicago Tribune, Boston Herald, Albany Democrat Herald, Dallas Morning News.

All have the Club for Growth seal of approval for pro-free market views on their editorial page.

Damn liberal rags.

Wild Cobra
05-07-2009, 10:50 AM
WSJ, Washington Times, New York Post, Manchester Union-Leader Pittsburgh Tribune Review, Chicago Tribune, Boston Herald, Albany Democrat Herald, Dallas Morning News.

All have the Club for Growth seal of approval for pro-free market views on their editorial page.

Damn liberal rags.
Are they the ones needing the bailouts?

FaithInOne
05-07-2009, 10:52 AM
WSJ, Washington Times, New York Post, Manchester Union-Leader Pittsburgh Tribune Review, Chicago Tribune, Boston Herald, Albany Democrat Herald, Dallas Morning News.

All have the Club for Growth seal of approval for pro-free market views on their editorial page.

Damn liberal rags.

What difference does any of this make?

You believe Government should look to exercise the pulling of any possible strings to keep corporations afloat who are declining due to a poor business model and faltering market?

Talk radio is doing well, yet the government is looking to pry into their private business through localism.

Does not compute.

Winehole23
05-07-2009, 10:53 AM
I don't know. Why don't you do your own homework?

Winehole23
05-07-2009, 10:56 AM
You believe Government should look to exercise the pulling of any possible strings to keep corporations afloat? No.


Talk radio is doing well, yet the government is looking to pry into their private business through localism.They always have. It's nothing new.


Does not compute.It wasn't about you. I was responding to WC. If you'd read your own very short thread you'd get that.

FaithInOne
05-07-2009, 10:57 AM
If it moves...tax it, if it keeps moving..regulate it, if it quits moving...subsidize it; if it speaks out against you...limit it.

Wild Cobra
05-07-2009, 10:58 AM
I don't know. Why don't you do your own homework?
You posted the list of papers. I assumed you were saying they needed the bailout, now you're saying you just listed ones with that seal... Without knowing yourself?

You see, the few of those I know I'm pretty sure are doing well. It's papers like The New York Times that are hurting, right?

Wild Cobra
05-07-2009, 11:00 AM
Talk radio is doing well, yet the government is looking to pry into their private business through localism.

Does not compute.
Sure it does. They know they will never be able to reinstate "The Fairness Doctrine" so they are modifying the laws for local usage to limit the free speech of those who speak out against liberals.

Winehole23
05-07-2009, 11:04 AM
You: Newspapers fail because they dispense liberal indoctrination.

Me: Here's a list of conservative dailies.

You: Why did you make me assume they were all failing? I assume most of them are doing pretty well because I like them

Winehole23
05-07-2009, 11:05 AM
If it moves...tax it, if it keeps moving..regulate it, if it quits moving...subsidize it; if it speaks out against you...limit it.Typical cliched non-response.

FaithInOne
05-07-2009, 11:08 AM
K.i.s.s.

Wild Cobra
05-07-2009, 11:15 AM
You: Newspapers fail because they dispense liberal indoctrination.

Me: Here's a list of conservative dailies.

You: Why did you [try to] make me assume they were all failing? I assume most of them are doing pretty well because [now your ASSumption] I like them
I cannot recall the names I heard the other day on the radio, but none of those you listed were in the 'fail' list.

You listed those papers. Not me. The only one I remember one was the NY Times. It is a liberal rag.

Tell me, are any conservative endorsed papers failing? I know my local Oregonian is having serious problems, but they weren't part of the news report I heard. They are very liberal however.

Winehole23
05-07-2009, 11:16 AM
i don't really care.

Wild Cobra
05-07-2009, 11:19 AM
i don't really care.
Neither do I. I'm amazed that you listed a group of papers without a stand on them. That's not like you, is it?

Winehole23
05-07-2009, 11:26 AM
I was pointing out there are plenty of conservative major dailies. I guess only liberal dailies are in trouble. My bad (http://pushingrope.blogspot.com/2008/12/chicago-tribune-in-trouble.html).

Wild Cobra
05-07-2009, 11:34 AM
I was pointing out there are plenty of conservative major dailies. I guess only liberal dailies are in trouble. My bad (http://pushingrope.blogspot.com/2008/12/chicago-tribune-in-trouble.html).
It's obvious by your link that there were bad business decisions made there. One paper on your list. Now tell me this. Was that endorsement by the Club for Growth still in effect after Zell took over?

How about a link to that endorsement please.

Also...

How do you expect a conservative endorsed paper to do in Chicago anyway? Isn't that where Barry came from? Isn't that one of the crime capitals of the world?

Winehole23
05-07-2009, 12:54 PM
You're the one who suggested only liberal dailies are failing. All I did was poke a hole in the generalization. That doesn't make me responsible for it.

Do your own homework, WC.

ChumpDumper
05-07-2009, 01:41 PM
I don't think the Washington Times or the New York Post have ever turned a profit under their current owners. The former is a plaything for the moonies and the latter is in an eternal struggle to move from #3 to #2 in a four newspaper city. The Post just lost over 20% of it's circulation in the past six months -- the most out of all the top 24 news dailies.

Conversely, the Wall Street Journal is only major daily to have an increase in circulation is the same time period, so that was a good buy for Post owner Murdoch.

Blake
05-07-2009, 02:07 PM
If it moves...tax it, if it keeps moving..regulate it, if it quits moving...subsidize it; if it speaks out against you...limit it.

if you think it has WMDs.......invade it

ChumpDumper
05-07-2009, 02:10 PM
Here are the circulation numbers for the top 25 papers and an accompanying article:

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003966608

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003966601

Wild Cobra
05-07-2009, 08:48 PM
You're the one who suggested only liberal dailies are failing. All I did was poke a hole in the generalization. That doesn't make me responsible for it.

Do your own homework, WC.
Of course generalities are not absolute for 100 of a category. Need I say more?

Fact is in this case, Zell took it over in 2007. It was doing fine before that. Wasn't it...

Winehole23
05-07-2009, 09:46 PM
Of course generalities are not absolute for 100 of a category. Need I say more?

Fact is in this case, Zell took it over in 2007. It was doing fine before that. Wasn't it...[?]And now you are an expert on the conditions surrounding the takeover.

Was the question rhetorical, Profe? :lol