Kobe's Elbow...normal?

[TheMACHINE]

Serious question. I've been listening to a bunch of interviews today about this and noticed the coachs and ex-players interviewed said that Kobe shouldnt be suspended and those kind of elbows are thrown all the time. Jalen Rose said that he would probably would have only palyed 13 games a season if they suspended players who did that. Was Kobe's elbow really that bad, or did Ron Artest's over reaction just highlight it?

[hater]

suspension

[cobbler]

the latter

If artest doesnt go bonkers... its just another rough box out and rebound in a playoff caliber game. Nothing more.

Add to that the masses of Kobe haters and this is the overblown reactions that the media hype and thrive on.

[DAF86]

No, it's not normal and people are saying that 'cause game 3 without Kobe would be a really big blow to the league and TV ratings.

[TheProfessor]

Technically, it's deserving of suspension. In terms of how the game is called, I don't think it is.

[cobbler]

No, it's not normal and people are saying that 'cause game 3 without Kobe would be a really big blow to the league and TV ratings.

Then you have never played any type of real basketball in your life. Either that or you are a moron.

Which is it?

[ElNono]

I didn't think it was anything out of the ordinary for a heavily contested game. I did think the foul should have been on Kobe, and I still don't understand why Artest was ejected considering he didn't have a T before that play.

[DAF86]

Then you have never played any type of real basketball in your life. Either that or you are a moron.

Which is it?

You don't need to elbow a guy on the face to box-out.

[TheMACHINE]

I didn't think it was anything out of the ordinary for a heavily contested game. I did think the foul should have been on Kobe, and I still don't understand why Artest was ejected considering he didn't have a T before that play.

i believe he was ejected because of the "throat slashing" sign.

[TheMACHINE]

You don't need to elbow a guy on the face to box-out.

It was a pretty physical series. If you look at the play...Ron's elbow were all over Kobe's head and face. Are you allowed to do that? Thats where the original foul was called for.

[cobbler]

I didn't think it was anything out of the ordinary for a heavily contested game. I did think the foul should have been on Kobe, and I still don't understand why Artest was ejected considering he didn't have a T before that play.

The foul could really have gone either way to be honest. Usually, though not always correct, they give the benefit of the doubt to the guy with position. But certainly they could just have easily called the foul on Kobe.

Ron got ejected cause he wouldnt let it go. He yelled at the refs, got in kobes face, yelled at the refs again etc. Had he just got in Kobes face and let it go he gets a T and goes on. Byt the guy is a nutcase and had to continue and be restrained etc after numerous warnings. Not rocket science.

[DaDakota]

It was intentional, and should warrant a suspension, but I doubt the NBA has the sack to do that.

But, what it does do is draw attention to Kobe's punkish ways, and I doubt he gets away with much more as the series goes on....

It is enough to make me wish we had Bruce Bowen to slide his foot under Kobe's landing area on his jumpers.

DD

[cobbler]

You don't need to elbow a guy on the face to box-out.

Never touched his face. In fact if you look at the video... tho only elbow that came close to anyones face...was Rons to Kobes just prior to Kobe throwing his. Give it a rest

[DAF86]

It was a pretty physical series. If you look at the play...Ron's elbow were all over Kobe's head and face. Are you allowed to do that? Thats where the original foul was called for.

Aren't you the guy that thinks that Kobe's cheap shots on Battier in game 1 were normal too?

[DDS4]

No I don't think he should get suspended.

Intentional? Most definitely.

[Artest93]

Kobe has a history of throwing elbows, so yes he should be suspended

[ElNono]

The foul could really have gone either way to be honest. Usually, though not always correct, they give the benefit of the doubt to the guy with position. But certainly they could just have easily called the foul on Kobe.

Ron got ejected cause he wouldnt let it go. He yelled at the refs, got in kobes face, yelled at the refs again etc. Had he just got in Kobes face and let it go he gets a T and goes on. Byt the guy is a nutcase and had to continue and be restrained etc after numerous warnings. Not rocket science.

I didn't think so. I think he was wrong in going to talk to Kobe, but it's not that he went to him ready to punch him or anything. And by the time they got separated, he was already calm.
Obviously, that's when Joey 'respect my authoritah' came around and kicked him out.

Scola had enough time to get on both Odom and Walton's faces, and he didn't get anything more than a T. Same ref crew and everything.

[cobbler]

It was intentional, and should warrant a suspension, but I doubt the NBA has the sack to do that.

But, what it does do is draw attention to Kobe's punkish ways, and I doubt he gets away with much more as the series goes on....

It is enough to make me wish we had Bruce Bowen to slide his foot under Kobe's landing area on his jumpers.

DD

Then suspend ron for his "intentional" arm and elbow on Kobes shoulder, neck, and back of head too.

Or just let them man up and decide it on the court.

Friggen pussy Houston fans.

[Dim Tuncan]

No, it does not warrant a suspension. Please don't be pussies, fellow Spurs fans.

Artest shouldn't have been ejected either.

Horrible officiating. But what do you expect from a convicted felon like Joey Crawford.

[TheMACHINE]

Never touched his face. In fact if you look at the video... tho only elbow that came close to anyones face...was Rons to Kobes just prior to Kobe throwing his. Give it a rest

it was actually on the Chest above the "R" according to ESPN.

[monosylab1k]

Initially it seemed pretty bad but looking at it this morning, it really wasn't all that bad. Still a very obvious foul tho, which didn't get called (typical). Artest's overreaction definitely made it seem worse. I don't even think he was really trying to send a message to Kobe when he got in his face, I think he was putting on a show for the refs to make it seem like Kobe was playing dirty.


i believe he was ejected because of the "throat slashing" sign.

That's the biggest misconception out there. He wasn't throat slashing. He was showing Kobe what he did to him. Even tho Kobe didn't really do that.

[TheMACHINE]

No, it does not warrant a suspension.

Artest shouldn't have been ejected either.

Horrible officiating. But what do you expect from a convicted felon like Joey Crawford.

Once again, he got ejected because of the throat slash gesture

[ElNono]

i believe he was ejected because of the "throat slashing" sign.

Oh please. :rolleyes

[ElNono]

Once again, he got ejected because of the thraot slash

Give it up dude. We all know what he told kobe. The word throat or kill was not there.

[TheMACHINE]

Oh please. :rolleyes

its what ESPN reports. Write them a letter with "Oh Please" on it.

[cobbler]

I didn't think so. I think he was wrong in going to talk to Kobe, but it's not that he went to him ready to punch him or anything. And by the time they got separated, he was already calm.
Obviously, that's when Joey 'respect my authoritah' came around and kicked him out.

Scola had enough time to get on both Odom and Walton's faces, and he didn't get anything more than a T. Same ref crew and everything.

he had to be restrained after they seperated him and kobe. Look... everyone knows if you are in a refs face.... and you don't back off... nothing good is going to come of it. Add to that, that it was Joey and you either be smart about it or you hit the showers. Artest may be a baller... but smart... he is NOT.

[ElNono]

its what ESPN reports. Write them a letter with "Oh Please" on it.

Then Joey didn't hear what Artest told Kobe. Not surprise there.
He shouldn't have been ejected.

[TheMACHINE]

Give it up dude. We all know what he told kobe. The word throat or kill was not there.

wtf are you talking about?

[cobbler]

The irony of the whole thing is... he never got hit in the throat.

[DaDakota]

Then suspend ron for his "intentional" arm and elbow on Kobes shoulder, neck, and back of head too.

Or just let them man up and decide it on the court.

Friggen pussy Houston fans.

None of those were tossing elbows, I refuse to believe you are this ignorant....well...maybe refuse is too big of a word for you to comprehend.

DD

[ElNono]

he had to be restrained after they seperated him and kobe. Look... everyone knows if you are in a refs face.... and you don't back off... nothing good is going to come of it. Add to that, that it was Joey and you either be smart about it or you hit the showers. Artest may be a baller... but smart... he is NOT.

So you're basically telling me that if the ref was not Joey Crawford he wouldn't have been ejected.
Thank you. That was exactly my point.

[ElNono]

wtf are you talking about?

Artest told Kobe "Watch the elbows". That's all he said.

[TheMACHINE]

Artest told Kobe "Watch the elbows". That's all he said.

dude..i said he got ejected because he did the THROAT SLASHING gesture after the Crawford split them up. I didnt say ANYTHING about talking.

[TheMACHINE]

None of those were tossing elbows, I refuse to believe you are this ignorant....well...maybe refuse is too big of a word for you to comprehend.

DD

Rockets definately knows what "refused" is since they've been "refusing" to get past the first road for the last decade.

[urunobili]

IIRC Kobe hot suspended twice in the same season for elbowing... in 2007... one of them for elbowing Ginobili don't remember who was vitcim of the other one...

Stu... it seems Kobe didnt learn the lesson... first on Battier now on Artest on the same series? r u serious?

[DrHouse]

The truth is Spur fans HATE the Lakers. Anything they do, especially Kobe, will get magnified on this forum x1000.

Deep down they know Kobe's elbow wasn't a suspendable offense, hell they've got Bowen on their team who does far worse on a daily basis. Their hatred blinds them from rational analysis. You could post a video that shows Kobe not elbowing Artest and Artest flopping and they still wouldn't care. They are just haters.

[ElNono]

The truth is Spur fans HATE the Lakers. Anything they do, especially Kobe, will get magnified on this forum x1000.

Not really. Their fans is another story.

[Indazone]

Artest is smart like a fox. People don't give him credit but he gets inside the opposing players head. Guarantee the reffing will be different throughout the rest of the series. So what if Ron got tossed. It sends a message to the league and to the Lakers about the dirty play. Now the spotlight is on the Lakers.

Phil Jackson and the rest of the Lakeshow are on notice and they have single handedly turned the rest of the country against them.

Phil pregame before game 2. "Sweep the Leg Johnny"

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/7746/boys28tn.jpg

[ElNono]

IIRC Kobe hot suspended twice in the same season for elbowing... in 2007... one of them for elbowing Ginobili don't remember who was vitcim of the other one...


Marko Jaric

[benefactor]

As I said in the other thread(s), it was probably a double foul situation and a tech on Artest for continuing to jaw about it. As far as the elbow itself, it was obviously intentional and if I was a league official reviewing the tape I would probably fine him for it.

I see no reason for suspensions either way.

[DrHouse]

No, you HATE the Laker players.

Go read the threads on here. Every other post is about Kobe being a rapist or Fisher being a dirty ass bitch.

[JBIIRockets]

Then suspend ron for his "intentional" arm and elbow on Kobes shoulder, neck, and back of head too.



This is the most idiotic retort I've ever seen.

Ron didn't apply any force when he had his elbow on Kobe's shoulder.

[sexinthatsx]

I don't see an issue here, kobe didn't do anything wrong... this man obviously has a knack for creating unnecessary motions, it's no big deal...
-just like when he flails his arms everytime someone strips the ball from him trying to flop and sell a foul
-or his follow through on his shot that happens to elbow a spurs player in a face
-or needing to squat twice before getting up, thus kneeing a rockets player in the face
-and in this case, using an elbow on a follow through to grab a rebound

That's the classy kobe I know!

[Allanon]

This is the most idiotic retort I've ever seen.

Ron didn't apply any force when he had his elbow on Kobe's shoulder.

What are you talking about, clearly you see Kobe fall back like 6 inches as soon as Ron's elbow pushes down on Kobe's neck. You can tell the minute this happens because all of a sudden you can see Kobe's teeth when he grimaces.

You can see Ron Ron clearing rooting with his knee.

You also see the push with two hands on the back of Kobe's neck and Kobe goes down and forward at the beginning of the video.

Are you saying none of this was fouling?

[urunobili]

The truth is Spur fans HATE the Lakers. Anything they do, especially Kobe, will get magnified on this forum x1000.

Deep down they know Kobe's elbow wasn't a suspendable offense, hell they've got Bowen on their team who does far worse on a daily basis. Their hatred blinds them from rational analysis. You could post a video that shows Kobe not elbowing Artest and Artest flopping and they still wouldn't care. They are just haters.

EPIC FAIL

Kobe has been suspended more times than Bowen for dirty plays

[ElNono]

No, you HATE the Laker players.

Go read the threads on here. Every other post is about Kobe being a rapist or Fisher being a dirty ass bitch.

I personally feel sorry for the players. The fact they've accomplished absolutely nothing since Shaq left the building surely is a very heavy burden on them.

[eisfeld]

Intentional? Yes
Suspension? No

That was part of a physical game, but Artest should not have been suspended.

[DPG21920]

No, you HATE the Laker players.

Go read the threads on here. Every other post is about Kobe being a rapist or Fisher being a dirty ass bitch.

Same with Laker fans and Bowen. That is how you know the Spurs are truly the team of the decade. Everyone HATES them.

But most people respect the Spurs and their fans. Laker fans are very bandwagon (look at the movie stars in and out except for Jack) that is why they are despised. Along with their pitiful basketball IQ.

[ElNono]

Same with Laker fans and Bowen. That is how you know the Spurs are truly the team of the decade. Every HATES them.

But most people respect the Spurs and their fans. Laker fans are very bandwagon (look at the movie stars in and out except for Jack) that is why they are despised. Along with their pitiful basketball IQ.

Please. David Beckham is a hardcore Laker fan... :rolleyes

[DPG21920]

Ron obviously did not do a "throat slash". Watch the replay girls. He did the "he elbowed me in the throat motion". I know at first it looked like a throat slash, but when you watch the replay, in context, it clearly was not.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Ron obviously did not do a "throat slash". Watch the replay girls. He did the "he elbowed me in the throat motion". I know at first it looked like a throat slash, but when you watch the replay, in context, it clearly was not.

+ 1

The gesture he makes with his arm was a sharp elbow...before you knew what he was referring to ..it looked like a threat..
then the second time he doesn't slit his throat at all, he points to the throat area.

When I first saw it I thought "wtf is he doing??? Ron going crazy again??" I thought it was an ambiguous threat at best until Collins mentioned the throat.

[Allanon]

Ron obviously did not do a "throat slash". Watch the replay girls. He did the "he elbowed me in the throat motion". I know at first it looked like a throat slash, but when you watch the replay, in context, it clearly was not.

I haven't been able to get a replay of that "throat slash" yet. But it seems like Ron didn't even get elbowed in the throat. Kobe's arm was too low.

I heard on the radio they had gone over the play time and again and there was no hit to the throat. So why was he signaling an elbow to the throat when he didn't get hit there.

Was this just a major flop by Ron Ron?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v115/reflexx/throat.jpg

[DPG21920]

I haven't been able to get a replay of that "throat slash" yet. But it seems like Ron didn't even get elbowed in the throat. Kobe's arm was too low.

I heard on the radio they had gone over the play time and again and there was no hit to the throat. So why was he signaling an elbow to the throat when he didn't get hit there.

Was this just a major flop by Ron Ron?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v115/reflexx/throat.jpg

That is one screen shot and does not show the entire range of motion. Kobe clearly swung for his throat. Not a huge deal, but don't deny it.

[TheMACHINE]

exactly..at first it looks like a threat...gg...ejection.

[ElNono]

I haven't been able to get a replay of that "throat slash" yet. But it seems like Ron didn't even get elbowed in the throat. Kobe's arm was too low.

I heard on the radio they had gone over the play time and again and there was no hit to the throat. So why was he signaling an elbow to the throat when he didn't get hit there.


I didn't have any doubts when I saw it the first time. You could even see Ron saying "He hit me on my throat" to the ref.



Was this just a major flop by Ron Ron?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v115/reflexx/throat.jpg

That photo is before Kobe threw the elbow.

[DPG21920]

LMAO at "join date" Allanon posting a still frame shot as evidence. That is like saying: "I am not a racist, here is a picture of me in a park with multiple ethnic people around".

[Allanon]

I didn't have any doubts when I saw it the first time. You could even see Ron saying "He hit me on my throat" to the ref.

That photo is before Kobe threw the elbow.

Kobe never hit Ron in the throat. There are NO photos of a hit on the throat, I've combed the entire video.

The only elbow and throat contact in the entire video is Ron's elbow on Kobe's neck.

Hahah, notice that none of the Rocketfans can come up with a still of Kobe's elbow on Ron's neck. There ain't no such photo cuz it never happened.

[ElNono]

Kobe never hit Ron in the throat. There are NO photos of a hit on the throat, I've combed the entire video.

No you didn't. And to be honest with you, if there's no photos it didn't happen?
Nice logic there, sonny.

[iggypop123]

actually espn's chris sheridan saw another angle than the one is posting here and said he saw it , which the nba will see and it was in the chest

[TheMACHINE]

No you didn't. And to be honest with you, if there's no photos it didn't happen?
Nice logic there, sonny.

LOL...haha fool...i just saw it on ESPN..no throat hit. GTFO

[mavs>spurs2]

Then suspend ron for his "intentional" arm and elbow on Kobes shoulder, neck, and back of head too.

Or just let them man up and decide it on the court.

Friggen pussy Houston fans.

Since you want to be such a hardass about it, let's just let Ron take Kobe out back and beat his ass. No? Well you're a pussy faker fan. Kobe should man up and decide it in the ring if he wants to throw blows.