Mavericks 2009 Offseason Thread [Archive]

monosylab1k

05-10-2009, 01:18 AM

Let's go ahead and get this shit started. Just move on. We got beat by a better team. No need to dwell on that pathetic excuse of an intentional foul that Antoine "I Eat Dicks" Wright halfheartedly attempted on Carmelo, or bitch about how he then decided to study Carmelo's shooting form instead of reacting to no whistle being blown.

Let's just move on from it.

First move the Mavs need to make this offseason? Get Antoine Wright the fuck off the team.

What after that? Let's discuss it.

mavs>spurs2

05-10-2009, 01:22 AM

I wish you guys the best of luck. See ya when Stern dies

Obstructed_View

05-10-2009, 01:22 AM

Antoine made a mistake, and shouldn't take the blame for Dirk missing four shots in the last 90 seconds of the game. And lying to cover up the mistake during the press conference isn't anything new.

The Mavs have been great this year. I think they peaked exactly when they should and just ran into the wrong team at the wrong time; maybe the only team other than Cleveland that was going to be able to do this to them. This was the playoff run that they traded Jason Kidd for, and he has been excellent. Going away from him at the end of a must-win game was a bad, bad move.

timvp

05-10-2009, 01:23 AM

Is that seriously his nickname?

Obstructed_View

05-10-2009, 01:23 AM

I wish you guys the best of luck. See ya when Stern dies

Oh shut up, TPark.

monosylab1k

05-10-2009, 01:24 AM

Is that seriously his nickname?

If it isn't it should be.

Findog

05-10-2009, 01:28 AM

Can we agree that Gerald Green didn't do shit today?

monosylab1k

05-10-2009, 01:30 AM

Can we agree that Gerald Green didn't do shit today?

I'm pretty sure he can competently execute an intentional foul.

Obstructed_View

05-10-2009, 01:33 AM

I'm pretty sure he can competently execute an intentional foul.

:toast
Point of emphasis this year: Arms straight up if you don't want the foul called.

Findog

05-10-2009, 01:37 AM

First order of biz:

1) Call up George Shinn and tell him you will take Chris Paul and Peja off his hands for the Erick Dampier and Jerry Stackhouse Memorial expiring contracts puu puu platter. If he says no, then....

2) Resign Jason Kidd to a 3 year, $22 million dollar contract.

3) Resign Bass; use the MLE to address either front-court depth or perimeter scoring.

4) Stage Cristal Taylor's death as a suicide.

5) Aggressively try to turn Damp and Stack's contracts for other pieces, a Billups/AI-type swap.

6) Consider Dirk and Kidd untouchables for the upcoming 09-10 season unless you're blown away with offers for one or both of them. Make everybody else on the team available. The Mavs best trading chips are Josh, Jet, a resigned Bass, and the Damp/Stack contracts. They need to swing for the fences and make a KG to Boston type splash, be willing to take on an onerous contract and go heavy into lux tax territory to get another badly needed piece. Once they have that next piece, they can sign role player type FA's to fill out the rotation.

This team is good, not great. There's no need to blow things up when Dirk still probably has 2 elite years left in him. If they're not going to ship him to a contender and start over like Al Jefferson and the Wolves, then they need to be on the other side of that equation like KG and the Celtics. They proved this year that despite the flaws in the roster, they're still a lot closer to the penthouse than the homeless shelter.

Findog

05-10-2009, 01:38 AM

I'm pretty sure he can competently execute an intentional foul.

With this officiating crew, I'm not taking anything for granted.

monosylab1k

05-10-2009, 01:38 AM

Right now I'm so pissed I'm in my "Just blow the while damn thing up!" mood, but things can still be salvaged somewhat.

However, I don't see this thing getting any better if JET or Josh Howard are on this roster next season. Fortunately for the Mavs, JET's trade value is at an all-time high and Josh regained his trade value.

monosylab1k

05-10-2009, 01:41 AM

First order of biz:

1) Call up George Shinn and tell him you will take Chris Paul and Peja off his hands for the Erick Dampier and Jerry Stackhouse Memorial expiring contracts puu puu platter. If he says no, then....

2) Resign Jason Kidd to a 3 year, $22 million dollar contract.

3) Resign Bass; use the MLE to address either front-court depth or perimeter scoring.

4) Stage Cristal Taylor's death as a suicide.

5) Aggressively try to turn Damp and Stack's contracts for other pieces, a Billups/AI-type swap.

6) Consider Dirk and Kidd untouchables for the upcoming 09-10 season unless you're blown away with offers for one or both of them. Make everybody else on the team available. The Mavs best trading chips are Josh, Jet, a resigned Bass, and the Damp/Stack contracts. They need to swing for the fences and make a KG to Boston type splash, be willing to take on an onerous contract and go heavy into lux tax territory to get another badly needed piece. Once they have that next piece, they can sign role player type FA's to fill out the rotation.

This team is good, not great. There's no need to blow things up when Dirk still probably has 2 elite years left in him. If they're not going to ship him to a contender and start over like Al Jefferson and the Wolves, then they need to be on the other side of that equation with KG and the Celtics. They proved this year that despite the flaws in the roster, they're still a lot closer to the penthouse than the homeless shelter.

:tu I'm also starting to entertain the idea of Chris Bosh. He's available, and very much like Dirk - not good enough to be the #1, but a damn good option as a #2. If they both work as 1.5's, things could work out well. I know they tend to occupy the same space, but I don't see that as a problem. Dirk has the ability to play on the perimeter and Bosh has the ability to play in the low post. When one guy has high post position, the other one moves to his second best spot accordingly.

redzero

05-10-2009, 01:42 AM

Mark Cuban is the one who got this Chris Paul trade rumor started. Now, some dumbass Detroit sports writer thinks that the Hornets would actually trade him--and that it would help them.

DAF86

05-10-2009, 01:42 AM

Jason Kidd and Jason Terry for Yao Ming. Would you do it?

Findog

05-10-2009, 01:46 AM

Mark Cuban is the one who got this Chris Paul trade rumor started. Now, some dumbass Detroit sports writer thinks that the Hornets would actually trade him--and that it would help them.

Yeah, there's no problem the Hornets have, financially or otherwise, that will be solved by trading Chris Paul. If the team around him still sucks when his contract is up, then he might come available if they're afraid of losing him for nothing. But right now, it's just unfathomable to me.

monoslyab1k

05-10-2009, 01:46 AM

We knew he couldn't shoot, we knew he couldn't defend, but the asshole can't even competently intentional foul? Fuck Antoine Wright.

And fuck Carlisle for playing him

FREE GERALD GREEN!

Findog

05-10-2009, 01:47 AM

Jason Kidd and Jason Terry for Yao Ming. Would you do it?

At this point with Yao, you can't take the chance with his Bill Walton feet.

monosylab1k

05-10-2009, 01:49 AM

We knew he couldn't shoot, we knew he couldn't defend, but the asshole can't even competently intentional foul? Fuck Antoine Wright.

And fuck Carlisle for playing him

FREE GERALD GREEN!

Ghazi rarely has anything of value to say when it comes to actual knowledge of his basketball team. So he does this instead.

redzero

05-10-2009, 01:49 AM

Yeah, there's no problem the Hornets have, financially or otherwise, that will be solved by trading Chris Paul. If the team around him still sucks when his contract is up, then he might come available if they're afraid of losing him for nothing. But right now, it's just unfathomable to me.

Not to mention that nobody will go to Hornets games if Paul was traded. I certainly won't go to anymore. Paul is the last person that should be traded, and even George Shinn is not stupid enough to let that happen.

Ghazi

05-10-2009, 01:50 AM

:tu I'm also starting to entertain the idea of Chris Bosh. He's available, and very much like Dirk - not good enough to be the #1, but a damn good option as a #2. If they both work as 1.5's, things could work out well. I know they tend to occupy the same space, but I don't see that as a problem. Dirk has the ability to play on the perimeter and Bosh has the ability to play in the low post. When one guy has high post position, the other one moves to his second best spot accordingly.

Not sure about that, he has a better post game than Nowitzki but 60% of Bosh's shots come off of 2-PT shots (74% of Dirk's FWIW). Bosh would be nice but it wouldn't exactly be a low post player, and I'm not sure how good a frontline of Bosh/Dirk is defensively (not that we're good defensively anyway).

But is Bosh even available, and for whom, and what.

Another question, if Kidd walks, what the hell do the guys in blue do?

Honestly Kidd is too good for us to think we can retool without him. WE're not so stacked w/ talent that we can afford to lose a valuable player like Kidd. Hope we can resign him.

Blowing it up to me is not an option ONLY becuase NJ has the 2010 draft pick.

Findog

05-10-2009, 01:51 AM

The NBA made a big post-Katrina commitment to New Orleans and even with Paul, that team has serious financial problems. Trading him kills professional basketball in New Orleans. I think the league would probably not allow it; the hand of Stern would see to that.

Ghazi

05-10-2009, 01:51 AM

Ghazi rarely has anything of value to say when it comes to actual knowledge of his basketball team. So he does this instead.

Antoine Wright did commit an intentional foul, and the league admitted it. No need to hate on Wright for that particular move.

Findog

05-10-2009, 01:52 AM

monosylab1k

05-10-2009, 01:53 AM

Not sure about that, he has a better post game than Nowitzki but 60% of Bosh's shots come off of 2-PT shots (74% of Dirk's FWIW). Bosh would be nice but it wouldn't exactly be a low post player, and I'm not sure how good a frontline of Bosh/Dirk is defensively (not that we're good defensively anyway).

I didn't say he was a low post player, I said he had the ability to operate in the low post. And the Mavs have already committed to playing in crunch time without a true center anyways. Bosh would be an improvement over Bass.

Findog

05-10-2009, 01:54 AM

Well, I take that back. I can see a team like Houston or Portland wanting Kidd, but they're not as close as the Lakers or Cavs, and they can't offer more than their MLE either. If the Mavs have the inside track over Cleveland and LA, I'm pretty sure they do over Houston and Portland as well.

monosylab1k

05-10-2009, 01:54 AM

Antoine Wright did commit an intentional foul, and the league admitted it. No need to hate on Wright for that particular move.

Doesn't matter what the league says after the fact. There was no call on the floor because Wright didn't force the refs to blow the whistle. He made a swipe and then threw his hands up like he wasn't trying to do it.

Findog

05-10-2009, 01:55 AM

Doesn't matter what the league says after the fact. There was no call on the floor because Wright didn't force the refs to blow the whistle. He made a swipe and then threw his hands up like he wasn't trying to do it.

Atrocious non-call; Atrocious decision on Wright's part to not play to the whistle. This is the offseason thread, not the game-discussion thread.

Ghazi

05-10-2009, 01:55 AM

monosylab1k

05-10-2009, 01:56 AM

I'm pretty sure Kidd comes back. The Mavs can offer him way more than either the Cavs or Lakers, and I'm pretty sure those are the only two teams that would want him, and neither would or could give him more than the MLE.

Yeah but what's the deal with Terry talking about this being Kidd's final season with the team? He's talking like Jason is already passing on the idea of re-signing. Unless Cuban gives him stupid money I don't know if Kidd is back.

monosylab1k

05-10-2009, 01:57 AM

Even if Bosh is available the Mavs haven't much to offer. I recall the Warriors were interested in Bosh too and they have young talent to offer. Like Anthony Randolph, who will be a top 5 player in 2-3 years. If I'm trading Chris Bosh it's for young players, not Damp/Stack/Howard/anything the Mavs have

How do you know what the Raptors want?

Sounds more like you hope Bosh isn't available because it means your beloved Josh :cry or your beloved Damp :cry or your beloved anybody on the Mavs :cry won't be with the team next year :cry

Ghazi

05-10-2009, 01:57 AM

What's the market for Shawne Williams and Matt Carroll? :bking

Findog

05-10-2009, 01:58 AM

Yeah but what's the deal with Terry talking about this being Kidd's final season with the team? He's talking like Jason is already passing on the idea of re-signing. Unless Cuban gives him stupid money I don't know if Kidd is back.

I wonder about that too. It might have been sloppy choice of words on his part, or maybe he is privy to future decisions that the general public is not. I think Kidd wants a decent payday, and he wants to be on a team with a shot. I just think all things considered, he'll be back if the Mavs want him back.

Spur-Addict

05-10-2009, 01:59 AM

:toast
Point of emphasis this year: Arms straight up if you don't want the foul called.

:lol

What's the market for Shawne Williams and Matt Carroll? :bking

Good luck with that.

monosylab1k

05-10-2009, 02:01 AM

I wonder about that too. It might have been sloppy choice of words on his part, or maybe he is privy to future decisions that the general public is not. I think Kidd wants a decent payday, and he wants to be on a team with a shot. I just think all things considered, he'll be back if the Mavs want him back.

Hope so. Either way, that first round pick needs to be a PG, and it needs to be a Josh/Devin type pick, not the usual Ager/Fazekas/P-Pod/Foster/etc. bullcrap we've been subjected to by Donnie.

timvp

05-10-2009, 02:09 AM

If Shinn gifts CP3 to the Mavs to get rid of bad contracts, I might cry.

Findog

05-10-2009, 02:11 AM

All I know is the Mavs don't really have excuses for not substantially upgrading the roster this offseason. Lots of teams will be holding back waiting until 2010 to reshape their rosters, and there will be plenty of teams looking to dump salary.

NewJerSpur

05-10-2009, 02:14 AM

If Shinn gifts CP3 to the Mavs to get rid of bad contracts, I might cry.

Probably not as long as CP3 continues to be a big (financial) draw in The Big Easy....everyone else on the team seems expendible though.

Ghazi

05-10-2009, 02:41 AM

I agree with most of the suggestions made, I also think the Mavs should blow it up after 2009-2010 though, unless they win it all.

Even with the assets I'm just not sure if the Mavs can actually become contenders. Significantly get better sure, but contenders? It appears to be King James' time and just like with MJ in the past a many hearts will be broken in the next few years. but maybe I'm overrating Lebron and underestimate league parity. :king

And that's if you get past the Lakers, who seem set for the next 2-3 years with no signs of anyone emerging to threaten them in that time span (in the West).

Rogue

05-10-2009, 04:33 AM

Oh shut up, TPark.
?quien es Tony Longoria? Tony Longoria es un cornudo.

Hubie Brown

05-10-2009, 05:30 AM

The Mavericks have to be thinking, hey, we got to the 2nd round without Stackhouse and George, perhaps if they were playing we could've gone even further, perhaps even a trip to the Finals. And then you have to consider Howard's ankles. When healthy, we're talking about a guy who gives you 20 points, 8 rebounds, energy and hustle. He wasn't an All Star for no reason Mike. The Mavericks really have to consider this a successful year given all the adversity and injuries they dealt with.

Shank

05-10-2009, 08:51 AM

We have an obsession with dicks here in Dallas.

Antoine "I Eat Dicks" Wright
Devean "Dickbreath" George

It's unhealthy.

Whatever they do this offseason, it needs to be huge. With the way guys are shipped around and how quickly some teams can rebuild, it's hard to say that any team's window is closed any longer. I want a big name, Mark and Donnie (yuck) - a huge trade or acquisition that is going to make other teams bitch and moan all season long about how unfair it was. I like what Carlisle has done and there are some good young players on this roster. Fix it and fix it quickly, though. I'm tired of this shit.

RuffnReadyOzStyle

05-10-2009, 09:15 AM

Doesn't matter what the league says after the fact. There was no call on the floor because Wright didn't force the refs to blow the whistle. He made a swipe and then threw his hands up like he wasn't trying to do it.

Damn straight he did - what a moron. You want to foul someone you don't then throw your hands up in the international "I didn't do nuthin" signal! :lmao

I'm really enjoying these Thuggets tearing you guys a new arsehole, especially after all the smack talk when you knocked us out - it was clear to a village idiot that neither of our teams were going anywhere this year.

Chauncey freakin Billups. He's got that 2004 look in his eye, and as long as JR Smith's brain doesn't implode, I reckon these guys can beat the Lakers in 7. Nene, Martin and Birdman is a tough front line, and I think they might mess Gasol and Bynum up a little.

Shank

05-10-2009, 10:05 AM

Is this a game thread?

Ghazi

05-10-2009, 06:34 PM

Well guys time for my irrational homer trade/roster proposals that may not even be legal

1. Resign Kidd, Singleton, Hollins
2. Use MLE on Marcin Gortat
3. Sign James White to a minimum contract :hat
4. Bring Shan Foster over from Europe :hat
5. Not sure if we have the bi-annual exception, but if we do, target Steve Novak :hat
6. Trade Stack/Damp for Shaq (incentive for Dallas: paint scoring, salary dump for PHX)
7. Resign Bass, and trade him with 2009#1/Antoine mutha fuckin Wright for Gerald Wallace-we're probably pipedreaming here, but is there any incentive for CHA to keep Wallace? He's likely peaked and his contract runs through 2012-2013, doesn't seem worth the money. Save some cash and acquire 3 young players. Antoine Wright = next John Salmons
8. Shawne Williams/J-Ho for Vince Carter- Salary dump, VC doesn't fit Nets' rebuilding plan and J-Ho gives them a 3. Mono assures me Shawne Williams is athletic and laden with potential, so why wouldn't a rebuilding team want him? :hat. Gives Mavs a 2 guard, gives the Nets a salary dump, a good player, and a young player with potential.

Theoretically, Mavs improve their outside shooting (Novak/Foster/Carter), their ability to generate FTa's (Shaq/Wallace/Carter), and their paint scoring (Shaq/Wallace). This gives the Mavs offensive balance. The offense was good this year but imbalanced, with an over reliance on 2-PT jump shots and not enough FTA/3-PT%/points in paint. Shaq is a decent defensive presence and Wallace is an energetic defensive player, so some improvement on that end of the floor is expected as well.

Kidd/Carter/Wallace/Dirk/O'Neal
Barea/Terry/Singleton/Gortat/Hollins
Foster/Novak/Carroll/White

Terry as a 2nd option doesn't cut it, but this relegates him to a 4th/5th option. Kidd's lack of offense is mitigated with increased offense at the 2 and 5.

Going to fucking WAR with that lineup.

E20

05-10-2009, 06:37 PM

Sign Anthony Randolph.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

05-10-2009, 06:50 PM

We have an obsession with dicks here in Dallas.

Antoine "I Eat Dicks" Wright
Devean "Dickbreath" George

It's unhealthy.

Are those actual nicknames or mono nicknames :lol

The Dickbreath nickname was fuckin hilarious.

sribb43

05-11-2009, 12:03 PM

Bye Bye Gerald Green...Thanks for the memories

monosylab1k

06-02-2009, 11:35 PM

So today on The Ticket, Norm mentioned a rumor that Dallas was talkin with Washington about trading for the #5 pick.

My initial reaction was "What a retarded idea" because aside from Griffin & Rubio, everybody in this draft blows. But Norm had a halfway decent theory that the Mavs would doing this to get someone like Antawn Jamison, and the Wiz do it for salary dump purposes.

But then I thought that maybe with all the rumors that Rubio won't go to a crap hole like OKC or Memphis, getting the #5 pick gives Dallas better trade bait with those teams.

Ricky Rubio in Dallas!

Ghazi

06-02-2009, 11:44 PM

Its like 2004 all over again!!1

monosylab1k

06-02-2009, 11:49 PM

I dunno how the #5 pick works into this, but if the Wizards are interested in dumping salary, Stackhouse/Wright for Jamison works. Which means they can move guys like Howard & Dampier in other deals.

Then we can do Howard for Maggette/Randolph. The Warriors do this because really this is Howard for Randolph, and we're doing them a favor by taking the Maggette albatross off their necks.

THEN we trade Terry/s&t Bass for Chris Bosh.

Then next season we load up with -

Kidd
Maggette
Jamison
Bosh
Dirk

bench consisting of

A. Randolph
Barea
G-Money
Carroll
Dick Breath
Hollins
Singleton
Shan Foster
Reyshawn Terry
Dampier (expiring 2010 contract. yeah baby! I knew he'd be valuable someday)

:lobt2:

Rogue

06-03-2009, 12:06 AM

BRHornet45

06-03-2009, 03:24 AM

Findog

06-03-2009, 09:14 AM

son your shameless ignorance is amazing.

So you're saying the Hornets ARE going to trade Chris Paul bc of financial considerations? Because I was arguing the opposite.

monosylab1k

06-03-2009, 09:20 AM

No matter if the #5 pick would turn out Rubio, it would definitely be a great deal for Mavs if we can get it without losing too much. The Wizards are seeking to dump their salary so i think we will have to swallow one or two of their bad contracts, like Arenas. However, I still believe Arenas will come back strong next season, hopefully he will regain his awesome powers and give us 60+ points in some games sometimes.

:lol honestly I love Agent Zero. If he could mature and realize he's not a superstar & doesn't need to take every shot, I think he has a skill set very similar to Chauncey Billups.