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ElNono

05-10-2009, 10:05 AM

There's a fairly extensive interview with Monteccia in spanish where he announces his retirement from basketball. (link here (http://www.ole.clarin.com/notas/2009/05/10/polideportivo/01914987.html))

I've extracted and translated the couple questions that touches on the Spurs.

Talking about mental toughness and hard work...
Q: Is that what set apart the golden generation, the legacy that is leaving behind?
Monteccia: Right. The ambition and the mental toughness. I remember how much Scola was suffering when he received the emails from (RC) Buford criticizing him for not grabbing enough rebounds. And Luis would stay after every practice session jumping and jumping... Today I see him grabbing 10 boards on the NBA and it's clear that San Antonio ended up making a mistake. That's how all the players were in that national team.

....

Q: Could you have gotten any farther if you didn't have as many injuries?
Monteccia: I don't think the injuries really held me back as far as reaching higher, I got where I wanted... Only the achilles injury kept me out for very long.

Q: What was left in your career that you didn't do?
Monteccia: The only thing was playing in the NBA. It was never a goal, but I was very close... I was surprised by that phone call from Pop in 2004. I couldn't believe it. Valencia asked me to stay and I stayed...

Q: Do you regret that?
Monteccia: Of course I regret it because of everything I gave Valencia and how bad they ended screwing me up. Even though I had one more year left in my contract, I could have pressured them to let me go. On top of that, the year after I went to visit Manu, Pop saw me and said: 'What did you do that time? You should be here with us.'. I wanted to kill myself (laughs)

exstatic

05-10-2009, 10:42 AM

One wonders if Scola would be grabbing 8.8 (not 10) boards if RC weren't chiding him back in the day. He was a pretty poor rebounder when he was drafted.

timvp

05-10-2009, 03:17 PM

Man, I've always been a big fan of Montecchia. Scrappy, tough as nails and damn clutch shooter. I was calling for the Spurs to sign him for a couple of years. Interesting to learn that it was that close to happening.

If Argentina had Montecchia this past summer and Manu could have stayed healthy, they would have had a real shot of beating the U.S.

Montecchia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prigioni

P.S.

Scola has owned RC horribly. While in Europe, Scola said he was a good rebounder and he came to the NBA and proved he is a good rebounder. Horrible scouting job by RC compounded by sending multiple emails that critiqued Scola unfairly and ended up not only being wrong but ended up souring Scola and his agents on the franchise. :td

Hemotivo

05-10-2009, 03:40 PM

urunobili

05-10-2009, 03:47 PM

P.S.
Scola has owned RC horribly. While in Europe, Scola said he was a good rebounder and he came to the NBA and proved he is a good rebounder. Horrible scouting job by RC compounded by sending multiple emails that critiqued Scola unfairly and ended up not only being wrong but ended up souring Scola and his agents on the franchise. :td

:depressed

E20

05-10-2009, 05:21 PM

14 rebounds for Scola.

urunobili

05-10-2009, 05:37 PM

14 rebounds for Scola.

11 pts to go with it and team high +19 when on the court

DAF86

05-10-2009, 05:38 PM

14 rebounds for Scola.

Seeing Scola owning the Lakers at the boards at both ends of the floor makes me want to shoot myself. :bang

ElNono

05-10-2009, 08:34 PM

And Splitter was there while the whole Scola-RC situation happened... just saying...

symple19

05-11-2009, 01:25 AM

If Argentina had Montecchia this past summer and Manu could have stayed healthy, they would have had a real shot of beating the U.S.

Montecchia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prigioni

:lmao:lol:rollin

Are you serious?? Please... USA! USA! USA! :flag:

kace

05-11-2009, 02:09 AM

Seeing Scola owning the Lakers at the boards at both ends of the floor makes me want to shoot myself. :bang

well, 2 offensive rebounds isn't exactly owning anyone on this end of the floor.

but yes, he had an overall good rebounding night.

DAF86

05-11-2009, 02:29 AM

well, 2 offensive rebounds isn't exactly owning anyone on this end of the floor.

but yes, he had an overall good rebounding night.

I saw the game, I didn't know he only had 2 off. rebounds it looked like a lot more. But even though he didn't get too many offensive rebounds he provoked 2nd chance oportunities making the Lakers players to lose it out of bounds or drawing fouls, bealive me the stat sheet may not reflect it but he was a pain in the ass for the Lakers going for the offensive boards.

P/S: If you go by stats you may think that Gasol had a good game but he was one of the biggest reasons the Lakers got smashed.

kace

05-11-2009, 03:26 AM

I saw the game, I didn't know he only had 2 off. rebounds it looked like a lot more. But even though he didn't get too many offensive rebounds he provoked 2nd chance oportunities making the Lakers players to lose it out of bounds or drawing fouls, bealive me the stat sheet may not reflect it but he was a pain in the ass for the Lakers going for the offensive boards.

P/S: If you go by stats you may think that Gasol had a good game but he was one of the biggest reasons the Lakers got smashed.

yep. i couldn't agree more. i watched the game and Scola was great. there's a reason why Houston was competitive yesterday without tmac and yao, and he's a big part of it.

Amazing how this team can still fight whatever happens to them. they have great "under the radar" players. i like that.

MoSpur

05-11-2009, 08:39 AM

I told my dad about the Scola situation while we were watching that game yesterday and he just shook his head. LOL

hater

05-11-2009, 12:02 PM

Scola is a beast. he abuses the shit out of Odom, it's funny to watch

whottt

05-11-2009, 01:42 PM

Scola has owned RC horribly. While in Europe, Scola said he was a good rebounder and he came to the NBA and proved he is a good rebounder. Horrible scouting job by RC compounded by sending multiple emails that critiqued Scola unfairly and ended up not only being wrong but ended up souring Scola and his agents on the franchise. :td

So wait, you're saying Scola might have been part of the reason he doesn't play for the Spurs? That's hilarious considering you've spent the last 2 years chalking it up to abject stupidity...

Now that you've admitted this, you just need to make the final step and admit Scola never wanted to play for the Spurs...not from the night he was drafted by them in the second round when he uttered the easily understandable phrase, "it'd have been better if I hadn't been drafted at all".

Maybe you'll finally concede this is another 4 years...

In closing...fuck Scola. Better Houston than Cleveland. And the Rockets aren't going to get past the Lakers, and the only reason they made it out of the first round is because TMac got hurt.

nkdlunch

05-11-2009, 01:46 PM

the Spurs dropped the ball on Scola. Only a moron wouldn't agree

whottt

05-11-2009, 01:55 PM

Scola is an asshole...only someone that hadn't followed the relationship from the night he was drafted(or timvp) would disagree. It's not really a mystery to anyone that was here then and paying attention...

PS: He's not that good.

ElNono

05-11-2009, 02:06 PM

PS: He's not that good.

This a marked improvement from 'He sucks'. I guess we'll have to wait another year until we read 'He's decent'.

urunobili

05-11-2009, 02:12 PM

So wait, you're saying RC might have been part of the reason he doesn't play for the Spurs? That's hilarious considering you've spent the last 2 years chalking it up to abject stupidity...

Now that you've admitted this, you just need to make the final step and admit Scola never wanted to play for the Spurs...not from the night he was drafted by them in the second round when he uttered the easily understandable phrase, "it'd have been better if I hadn't been drafted at all".

Maybe you'll finally concede this is another 4 years...

In closing...fuck Scola. Better Houston than Cleveland. And the Rockets aren't going to get past the Lakers, and the only reason they made it out of the first round is because TMac got hurt.
FIFY

Sending questionable emails to a Player whose rights you own doesn;t sound helpful... that was another ingredient in souring the relationship...

Now something more scary is that Splitter has declared that Scola is the best teammate he's ever had... that means... his opinion on RC and the Spurs will be biased... we should trade his rights for something valuable now b4 we get a Scola part 2...

whottt

05-11-2009, 02:16 PM

FIFY

Sending questionable emails to a Player whose rights you own doesn;t sound helpful... that was another ingredient in souring the relationship...

Now something more scary is that Splitter has declared that Scola is the best teammate he's ever had... that means... his opinion on RC and the Spurs will be biased... we should trade his rights for something valuable now b4 we get a Scola part 2...

He already is Scola part 2.

Beyond that...Scola's an asshole. He was in the draft and draft eligible in the 2002 draft and the Spurs drafted him and he got pissed off about and started talking shit, that night...that was when the bad blood started, and it was Scola that started it...

"it'd have been better if I hadn't been drafted at all"

That was the first shot fired.

I don't give a fuck what reasons he had for making that comment...it was an ignorant comment to make publicly upon being drafted. It's the sort of thing you bitch about outside of the public eye...not in it.

Communication indeed...

PS: Scola's not worth all this discussion. Brad Miller is more deserving of it.

He's going to choke in this series, just like Bonner, watch.

urunobili

05-11-2009, 02:19 PM

He already is Scola part 2.

Until he is traded to a conference rival and becomes a legit Spurs killer with credentials he is not Scola 2...

Bruno

05-11-2009, 02:22 PM

:cheer whottt is back. :cheer

whottt

05-11-2009, 02:22 PM

Until he is traded to a conference rival and becomes a legit Spurs killer with credentials he is not Scola 2...

He's not going to be traded to a conference rival unless he is signable, and since he isn't right now, it's a moot point.

What you guys need to realize...especially now that timvp has admitted as much...

Scola is very likely the reason he is not a Spur, and the reason he was traded was more than likely because he was refusing to sign with them and the Spurs were going to get nothing for him.

Which gives the Spurs a choice, let him walk for nothing, or get something for him by trading him to a team where he will do the least amound of damage...

They could have gotten more for him by trading him to Cleveland...and Cleveland would be even more of a bitch than they appear to be now...I would have called that a bad trade for a team with title aspirations. So trade him to a shitty team that has too many negatives to win a title..

And that's exactly what they did. Barring a trade, he is never going to win an NBA title, he is never going to do anything but put up empty stats on a shitty team...that is the career Luis Scola bought for himself by being a fuck stick...

And a lack of Scola is not why the Spurs can't win a title...you are focusing on the wrong Argie if you think that...

urunobili

05-11-2009, 02:27 PM

He's not going to be traded to a conference rival unless he is signable, and since he isn't right now, it's a moot point.

What you guys need to realize...especially now that timvp has admitted as much...

Scola is very likely the reason he is not a Spur, and the reason he was traded was more than likely because he was refusing to sign with them and the Spurs were going to get nothing for him.

Which gives the Spurs a choice, let him walk for nothing, or get something for him by trading him to a team where he will do the least amound of damage...

They could have gotten more for him by trading him to Cleveland...and Cleveland would be even more of a bitch than they appear to be now...I would have called that a bad trade for a team with title aspirations. So trade him to a shitty team that has too many negatives to win a title..

And that's exactly what they did. Barring a trade, he is never going to win an NBA title, he is never going to do anything but put up empty stats on a shitty team...that is the career Luis Scola bought for himself by being a fuck stick...

So you're saying that the Spurs deliberately choosing him in the 2nd round instead of the first as they told him they would (since his contract back then had a clause that if he was selected as a first round pick he could have left without paying anything) wasn't ALSO the trigger to the start of a bad relationship? come on whottt this is not ALL because of him and the Spurs FO is not perfect...

whottt

05-11-2009, 02:34 PM

So you're saying that the Spurs deliberately choosing him in the 2nd round instead of the first as they told him they would (since his contract back then had a clause that if he was selected as a first round pick he could have left without paying anything) wasn't ALSO the trigger to the start of a bad relationship? come on whottt this is not ALL because of him and the Spurs FO is not perfect...

The Spurs FO is a hell of a lot closer to being perfect than Luis Scola is.

Newsflash: players don't get to pick when they are drafted, teams do, why Luis Scola thinks he should be the only player in the history of sports this rule doesn't apply to...is beyond me, but it's a big reason despise him, and his stupid fans that agree he deserved special treatment.

Get this...it was mandatory that Scola enter the draft when he did. He had no choice in the matter..his name was going into the draft pool.

They're called the rules...look em up sometime Scola Fans.

PS: You can't a be a Scola fan and a Spur fan any longer...it's like being a fan of Israel and the Palestinians..

Make your choice. Get off the fucking fence, there is nothing but hatred here and it is time to pick your side.

urunobili

05-11-2009, 02:41 PM

The Spurs FO is a hell of a lot closer to being perfect than Luis Scola is.

Newsflash: players don't get to pick when they are drafted, teams do, why Luis Scola thinks he should be the only player in the history of sports this rule doesn't apply to...is beyond me, but it's a big reason despise him, and his stupid fans that agree he deserved special treatment.

Get this...it was mandatory that Scola enter the draft when he did. He had no choice in the matter..his name was going into the draft pool.

They're called the rules...look em up sometime Scola Fans.

PS: You can't a be a Scola fan and a Spur fan any longer...it's like being a fan of Israel and the Palestinians..

Make your choice. Get off the fucking fence, there is nothing but hatred here and it is time to pick your side.

I'm a Spurs fan since 1995 and that doesn't take away that i started liking Scola as a player since the WC in 2002...

So before all this happened I was rooting for both sides independently... You dont own the rule book of what it takes to be a Spur fan or not...

It has been shown to you on several occasions that he is not entirely responsible of what happened neither is the Spurs FO... at least you'll have to admit that...

PS: thank god you don't have mod rights because if you were to ban all Scola supporters that are still Spurs fans on this board it'd be as boring as the Thunder's one... there's a bunch of people out there and not all have such an extreme take or think its a requirement to be or not to be a Spurs fan...

whottt

05-11-2009, 02:49 PM

It has been shown to you on several occasions that he is not entirely responsible of what happened neither is the Spurs FO... at least you'll have to admit that...

I think Scola is 100% the reason he is not a Spur. 100%. Totally 100%. I don't think there's any doubt about it. I think Scola is also 100% the reason he signed a shitty contract with the Tau.

And you know what...I don't see anything to indicate Scola got the better of this deal either. Everyone is always talking like the Spurs made this huge fuck up and Scola is sure showing us...

What is he showing us? That he can put up numbers on a Rick Adelman team? That he can make the second round?

If considering that a victory is what it now means to be a Spurfan...then we are truly pathetic.

urunobili

05-11-2009, 02:51 PM

I think Scola is 100% the reason he is not a Spur. 100%. Totally 100%. I don't think there's any doubt about it. I think Scola is also 100% the reason he signed a shitty contract with the Tau.

I'd say 50-50... IF and only IF the Spurs INDEED told him he'd be selected by them on the first round... if that is BS... 80-20 Scola's fault...

whottt

05-11-2009, 02:52 PM

I'd say 50-50... IF and only IF the Spurs INDEED told him he'd be selected by them on the first round... if that is BS... 80-20 Scola's fault...

Why would they have to tell him that? What was he going to do if they didn't tell him that?

Not enter the draft?

He had no choice in the matter.

It was mandatory that he enter the draft. He had no choice in the matter. He had no say...he had no leverage.

Period.

whottt

05-11-2009, 02:56 PM

Furthermore...the 1 round pick that year was John Salmons who was traded to Philadelphia to aquire Speedy Claxton who was the back up PG on that NBA championship team. So if the Spurs did change their mind(and I cannot see any scenario in which they would have gained something from making such a promise to Scola)...I'm glad they did, because it won them a title, and we didn't need a PF that year back up or otherwise.

Winning a Spurs title always >>>> Scola....

Do you understand this Scola fans?

urunobili

05-11-2009, 02:59 PM

Why would they have to tell him that? What was he going to do if they didn't tell him that?

Not enter the draft?

He had no choice in the matter.

It was mandatory that he enter the draft. He had no choice in the matter. He had no say...he had no leverage.

Period.

Period?

R u kidding me?

What about after an awesome 2002 WC they go and talk to him and tell him: "We won't let you slip to the second round. We're aware that your contract sets you free at any time if picked on the first round that's why we'll choose you there." Doing it in the second was WAY WORSE than not selecting him at all.

Yes he was due to enter because of age even without his consensus but there were lots of talks before the draft and what i cited i understand is what Luis camp said.

If he wasn't drafted at all it may have given him more chances of making it tot he NBA earlier once his old contract expired.

urunobili

05-11-2009, 03:00 PM

Winning a Spurs title always >>>> Scola....
Your first intelligent post in the whole thread... :wakeup

whottt

05-11-2009, 03:03 PM

Your first intelligent post in the whole thread... :wakeup

Cool....I'll let you know when I finally see an intelligent one from you.

Hint: It'll begin like this: Fuck Scol

MaNuMaNiAc

05-11-2009, 03:06 PM

PS: You can't a be a Scola fan and a Spur fan any longer...it's like being a fan of Israel and the Palestinians..

Make your choice. Get off the fucking fence, there is nothing but hatred here and it is time to pick your side.

whottt has spoken!!!

pfff... :rolleyes

whottt

05-11-2009, 03:11 PM

Period?

R u kidding me?

What about after an awesome 2002 WC they go and talk to him and tell him: "We won't let you slip to the second round. We're aware that your contract sets you free at any time if picked on the first round that's why we'll choose you there." Doing it in the second was WAY WORSE than not selecting him at all.

Not for the Spurs it wasn't...if they hadn't selected him he still wouldn't be a Spur and we'd have had to eat JButt's contract.

That's a gain for the Spurs...drafting him when they did.

I'm sorry...I wipe my ass with Scola's POV on this...I am a Spurfan, and see only theirs on this issue.

If you want to talk about the ignorance of signing the suck known as Finley and trading a #1 pick for the suck known as KT, we'll commiserate, other than that...I see we've won 3 NBA titles since drafting Scola, who gives a fuck if he didn't like it?

Yes he was due to enter because of age even without his consensus but there were lots of talks before the draft and what i cited i understand is what Luis camp said.

If he wasn't drafted at all it may have given him more chances of making it tot he NBA earlier once his old contract expired.

It doesn't matter...if his name is in the draft he can picked by any team, whether he likes it or not...just like every other fucking player in NBA history.

Goddamn, Portland fans haven't whine this much since passing over Michael Jordan...and the dudes a choking fucking scrub who hasn't won jack shit when he wasn't attatched to Manu Ginobili's nuts.

urunobili

05-11-2009, 03:18 PM

Not for the Spurs it wasn't...if they hadn't selected him he still wouldn't be a Spur and we'd have had to eat JButt's contract.

That's a gain for the Spurs...drafting him when they did.

I'm sorry...I wipe my ass with Scola's POV on this...I am a Spurfan, and see only theirs on this issue.

get over it already... if he wasn;t selected at all his chances of becoming a Spur were WAY better

If you want to talk about the ignorance of signing the suck known as Finley and trading a #1 pick for the suck known as KT, we'll commiserate, other than that...I see we've won 3 NBA titles since drafting Scola, who gives a fuck if he didn't like it?

:lol b Barry thread? that's all you got? :lmao

It doesn't matter...if his name is in the draft he can picked by any team, whether he likes it or not...just like every other fucking player in NBA history.

If the Spurs wouldn't have spoken with him, this would be logical... it wasn;t the case... and I think that the Spurs FO knowing how wrong that was was the reason why they didn't let him rot in Europe... also not to pay any more additional bad karma because of it...

Goddamn, Portland fans haven't whine this much since passing over Michael Jordan...and the dudes a choking fucking scrub who hasn't won jack shit when he wasn't attatched to Manu Ginobili's nuts.
:lol at the failure missing all what he won with TAU that was all sans Manu...

whottt

05-11-2009, 03:21 PM

whottt has spoken!!!

pfff... :rolleyes

You bet I did.

whottt

05-11-2009, 03:24 PM

get over it already... if he wasn;t selected at all his chances of becoming a Spur were WAY better

No they weren't.

If the Spurs wouldn't have spoken with him, this would be logical... it wasn;t the case... and I think that the Spurs FO knowing how wrong that was was the reason why they didn't let him rot in Europe... also not to pay any more additional bad karma because of it...

Spurs have 3 championships...what's Scola got so far? Euorleague Finals choke? 1st round playoffs exit and second round appearance?

Karma indeed.

Let's let karma be the judge...

and I am still waiting for whatever reason you could contrive that the Spurs would tell Scola that?

Why would they tell him that? Why would they have to?

They wouldn't.

:lol at the failure missing all what he won with TAU that was all sans Manu...

Oh my god are you really this pathetic?

Well whoop de fucking do...Matt Bonner's got a southwest championship banner...that's like, 100 times the Euroleague accomplishments of Scola.

In fact he got it over Scola...

Fucking pathetic. Seriously...you guys are so stupid I at the point of hoping the Spurs trade Manu and Oberto...just to be rid of you...

urunobili

05-11-2009, 03:31 PM

No they weren't. You're on Denial 1-0 Ur-no

Spurs have 3 championships...what's Scola got so far? Euorleague Finals choke? NBA title more than Spanish Cup 1-1

Karma indeed.

Choking at the draft since he was chosen (so far so good only Hill looks promising, Mahimni could make me eat this post though <fingers closed>... Karma indeed... 2-1

Oh my god are you really this pathetic?

Mirror theory applied?

Well whoop de fucking do...Matt Bonner's got a southwest championship banner...that's like, 100 times the Euroleague accomplishments of Scola.
Matt Bonner also has a an NBA championship and (i really didn't want to say this because it hurts me but you've been asking for it like 10 posts ago) is currently fishing while Scola is still grabbing some rebounds in the playoffs...

and you're underestimating ACB's league accomplishments with your post... you should be smarter than that...

whottt

05-11-2009, 03:38 PM

You're on Denial 1-0 Ur-no

NBA title more than Spanish Cup 1-1

Fuck the Spanish Cup...winning a Southwet Division Banner is harder.

Matt Bonner also has a an NBA championship and (i really didn't want to say this because it hurts me but you've been asking for it like 10 posts ago)

I was just going by the last 2 years....you know since Scola took over the NBA.

I mean if winning a Spanish league title is such an accomplishment and the Southwest isn't shit, then why can't Scola win one?

ALways seems to be looking up at the Spurs in the standings at seasons end if you know what I mean.

is currently fishing while Scola is still grabbing some rebounds in the playoffs...

Pathetic.

and you're underestimating ACB's league accomplishments with your post... you should be smarter than that...

Southwest Division is obviously tougher to pull off...and if it isn't then why hasn't Scola done it?

Bonner has...as a starter.

urunobili

05-11-2009, 03:43 PM

Bonner has...as a starter.

So Matt Bonner is all you got to male us all understand that if you like Luis Scola's game you can;t be a Spurs fan?

:lol

That's unwhottt like... kinda weak i would say... :lol

whottt

05-11-2009, 03:50 PM

So Matt Bonner is all you got to male us all understand that if you like Luis Scola's game you can;t be a Spurs fan?

:lol

That's unwhottt like... kinda weak i would say... :lol

No...it's just like I said, you guys bitch more about Scola than Blazer Fans do about passing over Jordan or LakerFans do about trading Shaq...

Way out of whack, by putting him in a comparions with Bonner...I'm just keeping it real and based in reality. Because that's about the level of player Scola is, and that's how out of whack the bitching about trading him is...and that's without taking into account that Scola probably didn't want to play for the Spurs anyway.

In short...Scola is a scrub and not even one capable of making a difference in a championship like Mario Elie and Steve Kerr were.

DPG21920

05-11-2009, 03:52 PM

Just do a simple numbers comparison to see who is the better Laker killer, Scola or Bonner.

whottt

05-11-2009, 03:52 PM

DPG21920

05-11-2009, 03:54 PM

Do you think that Bonner has had a better playoffs than Scola? I am not saying Scola would have reversed the tide of this years playoffs, but he would have helped more than Bonner.

But you are saying who cares, bc neither would have won a title for the Spurs.

whottt

05-11-2009, 03:57 PM

Do you think that Bonner has had a better playoffs than Scola? I am not saying Scola would have reversed the tide of this years playoffs, but he would have helped more than Bonner.

We'll see...

Adelman is notoriously tough as an underdog...I think it has little or nothing to do with Scola.

If you were a Spurfan in 2006 you might know a great example of what I'm talking about.

Furthermore, he's easy to underestimate.

He's also a choker, whereas Phil Jackson is not...a point which will be hammered home over the next few games I suspect.

But you are saying who cares, bc neither would have won a title for the Spurs.

Right...if you guys want to be outraged, you should be outraged about signing pieces of shit like Findog and KT...these guys are title kryptonite.

I like Scola better than them....

DAF86

05-11-2009, 03:58 PM

Hey look, a Scola thread!

DPG21920

05-11-2009, 04:01 PM

We'll see...

Adelman is notoriously tough as an underdog...I think it has little or nothing to do with Scola.

If you were a Spurfan in 2006 you might know a great example of what I'm talking about.

Furthermore, he's easy to underestimate.

Right...if you guys want to be outraged, you should be outraged about signing pieces of shit like Findog and KT...these guys are title kryptonite.

I like Scola better than them....

Why should Spurs fans be outraged at signing Finley. The Spurs won a title with Finley. Spurs winning titles>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything else.

Look at the numbers between Scola and Bonner and see who has had a better playoffs. It is not abstract and there is no wait and see. The numbers are there.

If Scola indeed is having a better playoffs than Bonner, and they make the same money, wouldn't you rather have him, even though the Spurs might not win a title with either?

DPG21920

05-11-2009, 04:02 PM

Also is it choking if the Rockets lose without Yao and T-Mac and as the worse seed without HC advantage or is that reality?

DAF86

05-11-2009, 04:05 PM

THe bias is all yours...before you guys got here with your fucked up regional rooting interests...I used to defend Manu Ginobili, I have no inherent bias aginst players from your region of the world...you OTOH, have a total bias in facor of them.

Fact.
Truth.
100% real.

That is the reality of this conflct...you poor, hopelessly deluded and in deinal Scola fans.

PS: Do not confuse the fact that certain real SpurFans like timvp and MB join you in bitching about Scola...they are the grass is greener herd, and would sign a wifebeater or a dogmurderer if they'd ever put up 10ppg in the NBA.

Regional interest has nothing to do with this, most of the fans that bitch about the Scola thread aren't even southamericans, you don't see us bitch about the Spurs not signing Monteccia and you wouldn't have seen us bitch about the Spurs not getting Oberto. The only reason you see people bitching about the Scola thread is 'cause he is GOOD and he would have made the Spurs a better team.

DPG21920

05-11-2009, 04:08 PM

Matt Bonner: 20mpg, 21% FG, 23% 3PT, 3 PTS, 3.2 REB, 0 AST, .6 STL, .4 BLK, +3.2 EFF

Luis Scola: 31mpg, 50% FG, 14 PTS, 7.8 REB, 1.6 AST, .6 STL. .3 BLK, +15.6 EFF

whottt

05-11-2009, 04:09 PM

Also is it choking if the Rockets lose without Yao and T-Mac and as the worse seed without HC advantage or is that reality?

Losing Tmac is a plus. Losing Yao isn't really a plus....more like an inevitability, and you'd have to be stupid to think otherwise.

And without a doubt these were factors taken into consideration when granting Scola his request to not play for the Spurs.

DPG21920

05-11-2009, 04:13 PM

Losing Tmac is a plus. Losing Yao isn't really a plus....more like an inevitability, and you'd have to be stupid to think otherwise.

And without a doubt these were factors taken into consideration when granting Scola his request to not play for the Spurs.

So you are saying the Spurs knew that T-Mac would hurt the team while playing, and that Yao would be hurt and therefor the Rockets would not have enough to win, so they could trade them Scola?

Then they must also get the blame for knowing many of the guys they drafted overseas would take the easy paycheck and avoid careers in the NBA, no?

You still did not answer the question: If the Spurs FO and the Rockets FO knew that Yao would get hurt and that losing T-Mac would help, is it a choke job if the Rockets do not beat the Lakers?

whottt

05-11-2009, 04:13 PM

Why should Spurs fans be outraged at signing Finley. The Spurs won a title with Finley. Spurs winning titles>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything else.

Spurs were defending champions when they signed him...and became the Mavs bitch after doing so.

The Finley signing was a negative that the Spurs overcame to an extent partially due to greatness and partially due to luck.

But as you can see by the Mavs fate when they aren't playing us...it's not that they are great, it's that we are their bitch...and we became so after signing theirs.

There is your negative karma...signing that asshole who had nothing but revenge and fucking his old team while they paid him 15 mil per season on his mind. We haven't been the same team since.

Look at the numbers between Scola and Bonner and see who has had a better playoffs. It is not abstract and there is no wait and see. The numbers are there.

If Scola indeed is having a better playoffs than Bonner, and they make the same money, wouldn't you rather have him, even though the Spurs might not win a title with either?

I don't really think it makes a differences...I think if you took Bonner of this team and replaced him with Scola, there wouldn't be much difference in our fate, last season or this.

I think the A#1 thing the Spurs could do to improve is shit can Finley and Thomas. I think doing that would do more to improve our team that anything to do with Bonner and or Scola.

temujin

05-11-2009, 04:14 PM

Discussion: Montecchia.

Talking about: Scola.

Main poster: whatt.

NSSN. Nihil sub sole novi.

Translation:
nothing new under the sun.

DPG21920

05-11-2009, 04:17 PM

Spurs were defending champions when they signed him...and became the Mavs bitch after doing so.

The Finley signing was a negative that the Spurs overcame to an extent partially due to greatness and partially due to luck.

But as you can see by the Mavs fate when they aren't playing us...it's not that they are great, it's that we are their bitch.

Spurs are 2-2 against the Mavs in recent playoff history and the Mavs still have no titles, while Finley helped add to the Spurs trophy case. I would not exactly call the Spurs their bitches.

I don't really think it makes a differences...I think if you took Bonner of this team and replaced him with Scola, there wouldn't be much difference in our fate, last season or this.

I think the A#1 thing the Spurs could do to improve is shit can Finley and Thomas.

I agree it would not change the outcome (meaning the Spurs would not win a title this year), but all things being equal, if the two players are making the same amount of money, wouldn't you want the better player and the one that shows up in the playoffs? Especially going forward.

timvp

05-11-2009, 04:21 PM

whottt

05-11-2009, 04:22 PM

:lol I'll let whottt stay rolling. I've repeatedly said over the years that RC's emails made Scola mad and started what ended up with Scola's handlers comparing Scola to a slave. I'm not sure how whottt can now think this is a revelation. I guess it's just desperation from seeing a team lead by Scola and a team that gives Brent Barry a DNP-CD topple the Lakers. You couldn't draw a more fierce nightmare for whottt.

Not to spoil the outcome but what will happen next is the Lakers will beat the Rockets and then whottt will post things like "Scola CHOKED against the Lakers", "Scola had a chance to show what he could do and got owned by the Lakers" and "Barry would have won the series if he played instead of Scola".

But I'll let whottt take back over before I spoil too much of how this will play out :tu

I'll tell you exactly what's going to happen...this series is going to end with Scola putting up bricks down the stretch in a 4th quarter...or basically just like his Euroleague finals appearances ended.

These sorts of characteristics about players don't change.

BTW, I don't think it's any revelaton that Scola got pissed about RC's emails...I've been bringing that up in Scola is an asshole posts for years now...what you FAIL to see is that while that no doubt made things worse, Scola was an asshole years before that happened.

timvp

05-11-2009, 04:24 PM

whottt

05-11-2009, 04:25 PM

Player > Team

temujin

05-11-2009, 04:29 PM

I'd say more.
I can see the classic
"The Rockets would have beaten the Lakers with Scola hurt and mutombo playing"
coming pretty soon.

temujin

05-11-2009, 04:32 PM

Was the calculation of Bonner's 3s in uneven minutes of Thursday's games factored in against Scola's fouls on weekend PO games brought up already?

whottt

05-11-2009, 04:38 PM

The classic is already here...

It's 3 years of bitching about the Scola trade and what a difference he would have made and then pussying out and saying you can't expect him to make a difference in a series in which he needs to make a difference...

I mean if he can't make a difference, what the fuck have ya'll been bitching about...

Without a doubt...the Rockets could lose to the Lakers without Scola.

Feel better now?

PS: I've said that sort of thing about him often...in fact it's my entire point.

DAF86

05-11-2009, 04:40 PM

I'll tell you exactly what's going to happen...this series is going to end with Scola putting up bricks down the stretch in a 4th quarter...or basically just like his Euroleague finals appearances ended.

These sorts of characteristics about players don't change.

BTW, I don't think it's any revelaton that Scola got pissed about RC's emails...I've been bringing that up in Scola is an asshole posts for years now...what you FAIL to see is that while that no doubt made things worse, Scola was an asshole years before that happened.

Explain please why do you think he's an asshole.

DPG21920

05-11-2009, 04:41 PM

timvp

05-11-2009, 04:43 PM

If any Spurs fan wants to take a trip to the twilight zone, read this thread:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20490

:wow

ElNono

05-11-2009, 04:46 PM

Ya, but Scola is helping out. He may not be putting up Dwight Howard numbers, but he is helping.

He competes hard and hustles and rebounds; even if the Rockets lose the coach, players and fans love the guy and appreciate what he brings to the playoffs. Can you say the same for Bonner?

He helped enough to get the Rockets out of the first round, which is a feat itself for the team up north. Is he a superstar? Hell, no. But he sure is willing to be a valuable complementary piece.

Simple question, do not dodge with a misplaced, long-winded answer: Who would you rather have going forward: Bonner or Scola? Just type one of their names.

That's the million dollar question. It's real easy to dog on Scola when you don't take a look at our starting center. But when you do, it's a no brainer.

temujin

05-11-2009, 04:53 PM

Finally,

without Scola, Italy would have won the 2004 Olimpics.
Argentina got that one because of Scola not because of Ginobili.

One game, no freakin 7 games soap operas:
win it or blow it for your lifetime.

whottt

05-11-2009, 05:01 PM

If any Spurs fan wants to take a trip to the twilight zone, read this thread:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20490

:wow

I was as disappointed by anyone that we didn't get shit for him...I expected Nocioni for him at the least, remember?

Difference is, I don't think we failed to get much in this case because the Spurs were stupid, rather moreso that Scola fucked us.

Like I said...he's an asshole.

MaNuMaNiAc

05-11-2009, 05:11 PM

LINK (http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=356895&postcount=57)

I am not sold on Scola's being a great NBA player...I expect him to be a lot like Malik Rose, better on offense but weaker on D and rebounding...and if he can prove me wrong in rebounding and D I'll be very happy with him... :lol

But I think he'd be a no brainer top 5 pick in this draft...because he is somewhat proven against quality NBA players.

and then...

I'll tell you exactly what's going to happen...this series is going to end with Scola putting up bricks down the stretch in a 4th quarter...or basically just like his Euroleague finals appearances ended.

These sorts of characteristics about players don't change.

BTW, I don't think it's any revelaton that Scola got pissed about RC's emails...I've been bringing that up in Scola is an asshole posts for years now...what you FAIL to see is that while that no doubt made things worse, Scola was an asshole years before that happened.

Two things are evident here... 1)whottt doesn't like to lose face, 2)whottt wouldn't admit being wrong if his life depended on it

whottt

05-11-2009, 08:52 PM

LINK (http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=356895&postcount=57)

and then...

Two things are evident here... 1)whottt doesn't like to lose face, 2)whottt wouldn't admit being wrong if his life depended on it

I've said he's a better rebounder than I expected many times. In fact I've said he seems intent on making RC eat his words with every game he plays. Doesn't change my overall fundamental critique of him as a player, nor does the fact that he is a better rebounder justify Scola suckers whining and bitching about it to the degree that you'd think we traded Jordan, Wilt and Bird to the Rockets for Alfedrick Hughes.

Fuck ya'll...if we're so incompetent and got raped on this deal so badly...go root for the fucking Rockets.

It is abomination to root for both the Rockets and the Spurs, it is fucking sacrilege.

Now let me tell you 2 things about you...1. you are every bit the Nationalistic Homer you claim I am, actually moreso 2. you flat out do not see it.

Wheras I know exactly what I am doing when I do it. That's what makes it so funny.

urunobili

05-11-2009, 09:14 PM

I've said he's a better rebounder than I expected many times. In fact I've said he seems intent on making RC eat his words with every game he plays. Doesn't change my overall fundamental critique of him as a player, nor does the fact that he is a better rebounder justify Scola suckers whining and bitching about it to the degree that you'd think we traded Jordan, Wilt and Bird to the Rockets for Alfedrick Hughes.

:cry :cry :cry

Fuck ya'll...if we're so incompetent and got raped on this deal so badly...go root for the fucking Rockets. Sorry dude we're :fishing too just like you...

It is abomination to root for both the Rockets and the Spurs, it is fucking sacrilege.

This is about you not the Rockets and who prefers them vs. the Lakers... and it seems u r rooting for Phil Jackson... classy...

Now let me tell you 2 things about you...1. you are every bit the Nationalistic Homer you claim I am, actually moreso 2. you flat out do not see it.

Posters form all over the world are Spurs fans and Scola fans :nope

Wheras I know exactly what I am doing when I do it. That's what makes it so funny.

This is what u r doing: :bang

whottt

05-11-2009, 09:31 PM

Sorry dude we're :fishing too just like you...

I doubt it...you guys won't be fishing until the Rockets are gone.

This is about you not the Rockets and who prefers them vs. the Lakers... and it seems u r rooting for Phil Jackson... classy...

The Rockets playing the Lakers has little or nothing to do with why the bandwaggoners are pulling for the Rockets.

Posters form all over the world are Spurs fans and Scola fans :nope

You mean posters from all over the world are following the Spurs due to a player from their homeland playing for the Spurs...

Seen it many times...when we had a Turkish player we had this dude from Turkey...

Bitched about how badly the Spurs screwed up, mistreated his player, dropped the ball etc...when the Turkish player was gone so was he.

Slovenians used to roam free on this board when we had two Slovenians...now, maybe only 1 or 2 remain...

No one is fooled by this act, it's been seen before many times.

Sure not all the fans will be that way, just the majority of them....and primarily the ones bitching the loudest about the Spurs dropping the ball with Scola.

whottt

05-11-2009, 09:35 PM

By the way, me? I'm adjusting to losing in the first round for the first time in a decade, and going two years in a row without a title for the first time in 8 years....I don't call that having it bad, I call that having it good, and having probably the best FO in basketball...I call Scola a fucking scrub who doesn't even register on the Spurs radar...the Rockets will have to win 4 titles in a row to justify all the Scola whining.

DPG21920

05-11-2009, 09:44 PM

Would you rather have Scola or Bonner next year?

whottt

05-11-2009, 10:11 PM

This is like asking me would I rather have the syphillis or gonorhea...

The question that will get you the response you want is would I rather have Drew Gooden, Kurt Thomas or Scola...

What I want is a Tim Duncan that draws double teams and a Manu with good ankles...Bonner nor Scola make no difference in us winning a title.

It's just that simple.

And one other thing...you guys need to ream the stupidity of every other team in the NBA that could have had Scola that didn't want to give up anything for him...some of them, he would have helped improve their teams significantly. He didn't really do that for the Rockets, he wouldn't have done it for hte Spurs...but a team like the Bulls or Cavs that has no offensive interior presence he could have helped.

whottt

05-11-2009, 10:15 PM

So you are saying the Spurs knew that T-Mac would hurt the team while playing, and that Yao would be hurt and therefor the Rockets would not have enough to win, so they could trade them Scola?

They knew TMac and Yao are both injury prone, that TMac isn't built for the playoffs, that TMac and Adelman are mentally weak, and that Scola fell short when it mattered most in Europe exhibiting a similar type of mental weakness, and they also knew he wasn't as good of a defender as Oberto, all of which are true. They also knew that in two years he was going to be pushing 30.

That's exactly what they knew...it was pretty obvious.

You still did not answer the question: If the Spurs FO and the Rockets FO knew that Yao would get hurt and that losing T-Mac would help, is it a choke job if the Rockets do not beat the Lakers?

Depends on the situation...normally I'd say no it's not a choke...however, if the series is tied or the Rockets get the upperhand at any point in the series(a late series lead) then yes it will be pretty much a choke. At best it'll be a case of being unclutch....but barring that, I'd say it's just another case of the point being hammered home that Scola isn't truly a difference maker...
in direct contrast to the point made by the inordinate amount of bitching and whining done by his fans.

MmP

05-12-2009, 09:30 AM

Someday Scola will be one of the top PF in the league and whottt will still be on denial.

venitian navigator

05-12-2009, 09:54 AM

I really don't understand how is still possible to say that the Scola trade was a bad one...or that he could not have been useful for our team.
he could have been useful in all sort of ways....at least as a trade bait.
But taking in count the argentine connection...I don't yhink he could have been unsuccesful in our team.
That's probably been a bad mistake from our F.O. .
I say probably 'cause :
1° we still don't know if drafting Splitter was part or not of the trade;
2° we still don't know isf Splitter we'll be able to do better in the league thaìn Scola;
3° we stil don't know if he had, anyway, such a bad taste because of the spurs behavior so strong that he did't want to sign with us in any sort of way.

Apart all this, it was obvious that having drafted Scola with that number was a lucky event.
What was not obvious was that at a certain moment in time having drafted him like a 2^ choice instead that like a 1^ choice was a blessing...

I really didn't understood the trade and I wrote it at that time...a player with that kind of international experience and internatiol success was a given, no sort of doubt allowed.
But, considering all the variables I said before...the F.O. choice could also have been the only one possible.

The only point I know for sure is : no way Elson or Butler could have been better than him in any way...in any time.
So, having the chance to really sign him and prefer to abort it just 'cause of salary cap issues or 'cause of the thinking that Butler and Elson (or only Butler) could have been better it's simply a big and clear mistake.

That said, let's go on and try to find some other wonderful player or "diamond in the rough" for next season...keeping in mind, in case, that anybody, at any time, can make mistakes...and you just have to live with them.

ElNono

05-12-2009, 10:10 AM

3° we stil don't know if he had, anyway, such a bad taste because of the spurs behavior so strong that he did't want to sign with us in any sort of way.

We do know that regardless of the emails, he was willing to sign and come over. At least his agent and Scola himself said a bunch of times (this is the summer we signed Oberto) the Spurs kept on stalling contract talks, to the point that eventually he had to choose between signing an extension with his euro club (which he eventually did) or keep on waiting for the Spurs to show up with a deal.

That said, let's go on and try to find some other wonderful player or "diamond in the rough" for next season...keeping in mind, in case, that anybody, at any time, can make mistakes...and you just have to live with them.

I agree Scola is water under the bridge at this point.

temujin

05-12-2009, 12:04 PM

Someday Scola will be one of the top PF in the league and whottt will still be on denial.

That day is today.

temujin

05-12-2009, 12:18 PM

You mean posters from all over the world are following the Spurs due to a player from their homeland playing for the Spurs...

Seen it many times...when we had a Turkish player we had this dude from Turkey...

Bitched about how badly the Spurs screwed up, mistreated his player, dropped the ball etc...when the Turkish player was gone so was he.

Slovenians used to roam free on this board when we had two Slovenians...now, maybe only 1 or 2 remain...

No one is fooled by this act, it's been seen before many times.

Sure not all the fans will be that way, just the majority of them....and primarily the ones bitching the loudest about the Spurs dropping the ball with Scola.

OK, so it's the "alien citizens" you are targetting.
The argies in this case.

Well, I am not a turk, nor a slovenian, nor an Argie, nor a French.
I am not an american, for that matter.

I just happen to know basketball a bit.
I made predictions (Resigning Oberto and trading Scola makes no sense whatsoever) and that prediction turns out to be right.

That was a particularly easy to make actually.

As simple as that.

whottt

05-12-2009, 02:52 PM

trading Scola makes no sense whatsoever)

Unless Scola was refusing to play for the Spurs and threatening to walk, and what the Spurs did was the best they could get for him...and then it makes total sense, especially to a team built around TMac and Yao.

Like I said, he's an asshole and had been since the night we drafted him. He's also over-rated horribly by this board and his fans.

whottt

05-12-2009, 02:55 PM

Top PF in the league

:lmao it's comments like this that prove you guys are idiots.

MmP

05-12-2009, 04:19 PM

Get a life, man.

whottt

05-12-2009, 04:44 PM

Get a life, man.

Go fuck yourself, douche.

Kill_Bill_Pana

05-12-2009, 06:36 PM

Scola > Bonner, Mahinmi, Oberto, Thomas

This is fact. Anyone that is deny that has issues.

rayray2k8

05-12-2009, 08:04 PM

Scola > Bonner, Mahinmi, Oberto, Thomas

This is fact. Anyone that is deny that has issues.

He's above those 4 as far as production goes.
Oberto and Thomas are old so that's a given.
Bonner.. well.. Don't get me started on him. :lol

Ian is unproven, kinda like that garbage post you keep cluttering up in the forums with all that trash from the euro league, that you say is "that" great. :rolleyes
By you saying that, is sorta like you saying that you make your very own player profiles for European prospects. :lol
Stop copying and pasting sir. :nope

whottt

05-13-2009, 01:24 AM

Just think, without Scola the Rockets might have lost by 50 tonight.

I'd talk more shit but frankly after reading the LakerFans comments in the NBA forum I can't stand the idea of the Lakers winning and creating more of them. I knew that was going to happen.

While Scola bandwagon fan might be the second stupidest fan there is, LakerFan bandwagon fan is worse.

In view of all this, I will take a moratorium on Scola bashing for the duration of these playoffs(not that Scola fans don't deserve their noses rubbed in it 50 times a week for the next 3 years after every bad game) as it is impossible for the Lakers winning to be anything other than a time of mourning.

Spursfan092120

05-13-2009, 01:44 AM