how good is tiago splitter.?.

[manu the best]

is tiago splitter really that good as we think he is .?. i have watch few of his game and he doesn't look like a really good player .. his not like a scola type of player .. what do you think .?.





MANU = :lobt2:

[Solid D]

Good size and potential but he doesn't typically shine in the clutch situations. Not worthy of a double team. I see him as a skilled disappearing act until someone can get into his head and motivate him differently.

[samikeyp]

Not mentally good enough to want to play with the big boys.

[Obstructed_View]

Compared to the centers the Spurs have had lately, how bad could he be?

[urunobili]

I have seen him 3, 4 times playing for Brazil...

Tends to choke on big games with Brazil's National team... what is encouraging though is that he has always shown to be better than Nene when playing together... it always ends up in a two man show in between him and Barbosa and sometimes Marcelinho shows up too...

[manufan10]

Compared to the centers the Spurs have had lately, how bad could he be?

Exactly. As long as he can do what Bonner can't then he's good enough.

[kobyz]

almost as good as Gasol

[Hemotivo]

a really good team player


one on one
gasol is way better

[Hemotivo]

a really good team player


one on one
gasol is way better

well, maybe gasol is great in offense, but tiago is really good on defense

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

The top players in Europe is guys like Spanoulis, Siskauskas, McIntyre, Pekovic.

I do not think Splitter is really in this class of players at all. Spurs fans believe he is the best in Europe and they are wrong.

[Hemotivo]

Compared to the centers the Spurs have had lately, how bad could he be?


is the perfect player for the spurs

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Compared to the centers the Spurs have had lately, how bad could he be?

Definitely he is better than the Spurs big men except Duncan.

[completely deck]

He's better than Spanoulis

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

He's better than Spanoulis

No he is not in the same class of player as Spanoulis.

[completely deck]

yes he is, he's better

[manufan10]

If he's better than him, he's in another class. :p:

[urunobili]

tiago is really good on defense

:lmao

compared to who?

[Spurs Brazil]

He's better than what we have now.

But he has A LOT to develop on both ends

[Hemotivo]

:lmao

compared to who?

Scola and the current bigs on the Spurs

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

yes he is, he's better

He is 100% not as good as Spanoulis

These are all Euroleague players better than Splitter

Spanoulis
Siskauskas
McIntyre
Bourousis
Navarro
Pekovic
Papaloukas

Debatable ones, players in same general class is guys like

Andersen
Reyes
Lorbek
Batiste
Ilyasova
Prigioni
Rakocevic
Diamantidis
Vujacic
Vazquez


Keep on drinking kool aid of NBA hype machine.

[Hemotivo]

:lmao

compared to who?



why the lmao?

[completely deck]

nope splitter could play against spanoulis and siskauskas at the same time and still win. blindfolded. with one arm.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

nope splitter could play against spanoulis and siskauskas at the same time and still win. blindfolded. with one arm.

This is absurd talk. Stop overrate this guy so bad. There are 3 players in Europe that are for sure without ANY doubts better than Splitter. You maybe can argue and debate the others but it is simple that Pekovic, Siskauskas, Spanoulis are definitely better than Tiago Splitter.

It is an insult to those 3 players to even put him in their level.

[urunobili]

why the lmao?

Because your post sounded clueless... he has never been a defensive force in his entire career and Scola> Splitter defensively

[completely deck]

I heard spanoulis and papaloukas asked splitter for tips on their ball handling

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Because your post sounded clueless... he has never been a defensive force in his entire career and Scola> Splitter defensively

I think Spurs fans in US are the only ones anywhere that believe Splitter is better than or as good as Scola. No one else thinks that.

[Hemotivo]

Because your post sounded clueless... he has never been a defensive force in his entire career and Scola> Splitter defensively

link?

because i know you didn't see him playin'

he can defend bigs, luis barely can defend bigs

i see this kid play since he was 16 years old and he was already part of the Brazilian National Team... c'mon uru! this guy is a better defensive player

[urunobili]

link?

because i know you didn't see him playin'

he can defend bigs, luis barely can defend bigs

i see this kid play since he was 16 years old and he was already part of the Brazilian National Team... c'mon uru! this guy is a better defensive player

Dude... i have been watching Tiago since the Brazilian U18 category myself...

I have seen him compete against lower and higher level competition (lower Uruguay higher Argentina)...

Scola's BBQ IQ makes him a way better defender than Tiago mostly because he is always in position... i have seen coaches ranting on Tiago for being out of position way too many times... one on one defensively... then we may have to spend some lines debating...

[manufan10]

Who cares who is better? If he can fill a need or a void that the Spurs need then he's good enough.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

link?

because i know you didn't see him playin'

he can defend bigs, luis barely can defend bigs

i see this kid play since he was 16 years old and he was already part of the Brazilian National Team... c'mon uru! this guy is a better defensive player

This I will agree with. He is better than Scola on post defense against big players and he is much taller and better length. Scola is a much smarter player though and much tougher.

Team defense and perimeter defense Scola is better though.

[Hemotivo]

Dude... i have been watching Tiago since the Brazilian U18 category myself...

I have seen him compete against lower and higher level competition (lower Uruguay higher Argentina)...

Scola's BBQ IQ makes him a way better defender than Tiago mostly because he is always in position... i have seen coaches ranting on Tiago for being out of position way too many times... one on one defensively... then we may have to spend some lines debating...


Scola BB IQ > Tiago for sure

I agree with you BUT he could help more in the spurs right now; he's a young big guy with a lot of experience, had played with systems and would fit really well along TD.

I still think that Tiago can play better D on bigs than Luis(and even Gasol -Pau, not the fat brother marc-).

[Hemotivo]

Dude... i have been watching Tiago since the Brazilian U18 category myself...



OT:
who is better: Andy or Sandro?

[Muser]

Until he steps onto an NBA court we don't know for sure.

[urunobili]

I agree with you BUT he could help more in the spurs right now; he's a young big guy with a lot of experience, had played with systems and would fit really well along TD.

I never said the opposite... :wakeup

as the Spurs are currently constituted Tiago is more needed than what Scola is... unless TD goes definitively to the 5 Scola would be redundant but the best second unit PF in the league 4 sure...

[BOHOLANO#21]

This is absurd talk. Stop overrate this guy so bad. There are 3 players in Europe that are for sure without ANY doubts better than Splitter. You maybe can argue and debate the others but it is simple that Pekovic, Siskauskas, Spanoulis are definitely better than Tiago Splitter.

It is an insult to those 3 players to even put him in their level.

Splitter is better 100% than those three combine:lol

[BOHOLANO#21]

This I will agree with. He is better than Scola on post defense against big players and he is much taller and better length. Scola is a much smarter player though and much tougher.

Team defense and perimeter defense Scola is better though.

splitter is the better defender than scola :lol

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Splitter is better 100% than those three combine:lol

You wish. Splitter is not even consider the best player in Spain. They are consider the best players in all of EUROPE. So "one of best players in Spain" is somehow better than "best players of all Europe". Explain this please.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

splitter is the better defender than scola :lol

He is better at post defense on centers and tall power forwards and is a better shot blocker. Scola is a better team defender and have better IQ.

[Marcus Bryant]

Pretty damn good.

[afireinside20]

If he was really any good, he'd be with the Spurs already. He's a chump for being "yet again" another player that snubs us when we need him.

[samikeyp]

Its another case of another Euroleague player who would rather be comfortable than to want to test his game at the highest level.

[afireinside20]

Its another case of another Euroleague player who would rather be comfortable than to want to test his game at the highest level.

Yea, you just said it better right there. It's quite a shame, that he'd rather be more comfortable, than perform on the greatest level.

[samikeyp]

Yea, you just said it better right there. It's quite a shame, that he'd rather be more comfortable, than perform on the greatest level.

Exactly.

It used to be that an athlete wanted to play at the highest level to prove that he could succeed at that level and in doing so, better his own game. The guy is a star where he is now and there is no guarantee he would be in the NBA so rather than take the chance, he is staying put. Basically he is afraid of failure.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

screw that damn brasilian. they're all selfish, worthless, and very ungrateful.

[Mark in Austin]

Its another case of another Euroleague player who would rather be comfortable than to want to test his game at the highest level.

We don't know this for sure. It's not like the Spurs could offer a competitive contract. I don't know of many athletes who when offered their first multi-year, multi-million dollar contract would turn that down for a rookie scale NBA contract. When you add to that the fact that he had a sister who was seriously ill (who has since died), it think it is very understandable that he passed on the Spurs.

Call me when the Spurs offer him 20 million, Tau offers 20 million, and he still signs with Tau.

[samikeyp]

screw that damn brasilian. they're all selfish, worthless, and very ungrateful.

maybe but some of their women volleyball players are nice. :toast

[samikeyp]

We don't know this for sure. It's not like the Spurs could offer a competitive contract. I don't know of many athletes who when offered their first multi-year, multi-million dollar contract would turn that down for a rookie scale NBA contract. When you add to that the fact that he had a sister who was seriously ill (who has since died), it think it is very understandable that he passed on the Spurs.

Call me when the Spurs offer him 20 million, Tau offers 20 million, and he still signs with Tau.

I didn't know about his sister so I see that point.

Otherwise I stand by my post. You're right, we don't know this for sure which is why I didn't claim it to be fact. Yes, initially the salary would be lower but if he proved himself at the NBA level, the money would be there.

[afireinside20]

We don't know this for sure. It's not like the Spurs could offer a competitive contract. I don't know of many athletes who when offered their first multi-year, multi-million dollar contract would turn that down for a rookie scale NBA contract. When you add to that the fact that he had a sister who was seriously ill (who has since died), it think it is very understandable that he passed on the Spurs.

Call me when the Spurs offer him 20 million, Tau offers 20 million, and he still signs with Tau.


Yea, but thats the thing now a days, it's a about the freaking money theses days. But I guess it's only right since back then players weren't getting played alot so they'd rather go on and sign with the likely team. Players now are getting payed way too much freaking money, and sadly that's what they rely more on when determining what team to play for.

[manu the best]

If he was really any good, he'd be with the Spurs already. He's a chump for being "yet again" another player that snubs us when we need him.


Agree .. if he doesn't come to san antonio in 09-10 season .. kick his ass out .. he'll be just like corey maggette .. the guy plays for money not championship ..


MANU= :lobt2:

[Mel_13]

Agree .. if he doesn't come to san antonio in 09-10 season .. kick his ass out .. he'll be just like corey maggette .. the guy plays for money not championship ..


MANU= :lobt2:

They are professional athletes, they all play for money.

Mark in Austin explained Splitter's situation, he was offered a deal 2-4 times more lucrative to stay in Spain. In 2010, the Spurs can make a competitive offer.

Maggette took over 48M instead of the 32M the Spurs could offer. He made the same decision nearly every professional athlete would make, and that includes Manu.

Before Manu signed his current 52M deal with the Spurs, he had talks with Denver. Do you seriously believe he would have accepted 32M from the Spurs if he was offered close to 50M by Denver? He stayed in San Antonio because he wanted to be here AND because the Spurs were able to make a competitive offer. They were not able to make competitive offers to Splitter or Maggette.

[samikeyp]

They are professional athletes, they all play for money.

Mark in Austin explained Splitter's situation, he was offered a deal 2-4 times more lucrative to stay in Spain. In 2010, the Spurs can make a competitive offer.

Maggette took over 48M instead of the 32M the Spurs could offer. He made the same decision nearly every professional athlete would make, and that includes Manu.

Before Manu signed his current 52M deal with the Spurs, he had talks with Denver. Do you seriously believe he would have accepted 32M from the Spurs if he was offered close to 50M by Denver? He stayed in San Antonio because he wanted to be here AND because the Spurs were able to make a competitive offer. They were not able to make competitive offers to Splitter or Maggette.


He might have knowing that his best chance for winning a title was to stay with SA. I don't know that for certain but I also don't know for certain that he would have taken more money elsewhere. Neither does anyone else here.

IMO, that is what it comes down to for a player, do you want to go somewhere that improves your chance to win a title, or would just go for the money, even to a crappy team.

[ploto]

I have not seen him play lately but in the past he kind of reminded me of Rasho. He plays tough on defense but is soft on offense. He will initiate contact when defendng a guy but shy away from contact on offense.

[Mel_13]

He might have knowing that his best chance for winning a title was to stay with SA. I don't know that for certain but I also don't know for certain that he would have taken more money elsewhere. Neither does anyone else here.

IMO, that is what it comes down to for a player, do you want to go somewhere that improves your chance to win a title, or would just go for the money, even to a crappy team.

Of course there is no way to absolutely know. There are, however, numerous examples of professional following the money. How many examples are there of professional athletes taking deals worth 50% of the best available deal? And finding some guy at the end of his career who takes 1M from a contender instead of 2M from bottom dweller doesn't really apply.

At the time Manu signed his extension in 2004, he had made a total of 2.9M in the NBA. I don't think, at age 27, he would have left 20M on the table. And Denver wasn't a crappy team in 2004. Adding Manu to Melo, Nene, Camby, and Andre Miller would have resulted in a very good team. Of course, we can't say that with certainty, but point me to the example of some professional athlete in a similar situation who turned down that kind of money.

[samikeyp]

Of course there is no way to absolutely know. There are, however, numerous examples of professional following the money. How many examples are there of professional athletes taking deals worth 50% of the best available deal? And finding some guy at the end of his career who takes 1M from a contender instead of 2M from bottom dweller doesn't really apply.

At the time Manu signed his extension in 2004, he had made a total of 2.9M in the NBA. I don't think, at age 27, he would have left 20M on the table. And Denver wasn't a crappy team in 2004. Adding Manu to Melo, Nene, Camby, and Andre Miller would have resulted in a very good team. Of course, we can't say that with certainty, but point me to the example of some professional athlete in a similar situation who turned down that kind of money.

I agree they are few and far between. One recent example is Jason Taylor turning down an $8M dollar deal with the Redskins to take a $1.1M deal from the Dolphins. (Neither really contenders) While its not probable, it is possible and while it is not probable that Manu would have taken that kind of deal from the Spurs, it is possible.

[planaria]

I have seen him 3, 4 times playing for Brazil...

Tends to choke on big games with Brazil's National team... what is encouraging though is that he has always shown to be better than Nene when playing together... it always ends up in a two man show in between him and Barbosa and sometimes Marcelinho shows up too...

Are you serious? This is the ONLY guy in Brazilian NT who never choke in big games.

Actually, the best games I´ve seen from Splitter were against USA (D_Howard) and China (humillating Yao Ming).

[Mel_13]

I agree they are few and far between. One recent example is Jason Taylor turning down an $8M dollar deal with the Redskins to take a $1.1M deal from the Dolphins. (Neither really contenders) While its not probable, it is possible and while it is not probable that Manu would have taken that kind of deal from the Spurs, it is possible.

First off, I'm not sure that you and I have any significant disagreement on this issue. My initial post was not in reply to anything you posted, but rather to those who condemned Splitter and Maggette for taking considerably more money to play elsewhere. To say that they lack competitive fire based on these decisions when then cannot provide examples of players who have done otherwise, is at least disingenuous.

The Taylor example you cite is interesting, but he is a guy that has made a fortune and wants to go home to finish his career. Which supports some of what you have said, and with which I agree. There are, indeed, many factors that influence the decisions of professional athletes.

As far as I'm concerned, the future value of adding Splitter to the Spurs is neither increased nor diminished by virtue of his rather logical decision to secure his financial future and provide the best possible medical care for a sister with a fatal disease. Knowing that he could make top money for two seasons, playing for a good team in a good league, provide for his sister, AND be able to move to the NBA at age 25 for a competitive salary seems to be the actions of a responsible person with his priorities in order.

[planaria]

He is 100% not as good as Spanoulis

These are all Euroleague players better than Splitter

Spanoulis
Siskauskas
McIntyre
Bourousis
Navarro
Pekovic
Papaloukas

Debatable ones, players in same general class is guys like

Andersen
Reyes
Lorbek
Batiste
Ilyasova
Prigioni
Rakocevic
Diamantidis
Vujacic
Vazquez


Keep on drinking kool aid of NBA hype machine.

NBA hype machine? What about Greek hype machine? I´m surprise that you didnt list all these greek players as better than TD.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

NBA hype machine? What about Greek hype machine? I´m surprise that you didnt list all these greek players as better than TD.

Oh yes because everyone know Greek basketball is consider joke in Europe right?

[samikeyp]

First off, I'm not sure that you and I have any significant disagreement on this issue. My initial post was not in reply to anything you posted, but rather to those who condemned Splitter and Maggette for taking considerably more money to play elsewhere. To say that they lack competitive fire based on these decisions when then cannot provide examples of players who have done otherwise, is at least disingenuous.

The Taylor example you cite is interesting, but he is a guy that has made a fortune and wants to go home to finish his career. Which supports some of what you have said, and with which I agree. There are, indeed, many factors that influence the decisions of professional athletes.

As far as I'm concerned, the future value of adding Splitter to the Spurs is neither increased nor diminished by virtue of his rather logical decision to secure his financial future and provide the best possible medical care for a sister with a fatal disease. Knowing that he could make top money for two seasons, playing for a good team in a good league, provide for his sister, AND be able to move to the NBA at age 25 for a competitive salary seems to be the actions of a responsible person with his priorities in order.

With his sister's condition, that changes everything. I don't blame the guy for wanting to be there for her.

[ElNono]

IMHO, he's average at best. That said, he's an improvement over the current big rotation.
I definitely don't think he's the player that will put our frontline over the top.

[Bruno]

Splitter is a good player. He is also a way better defender than Scrubla.

[Bukefal]

Bourousis is better :)

[urunobili]

He is also a way better defender than Scrubla.

I think that deserves further explanation/proof... I'd love someone to enlighten me :wakeup

[Bruno]

I think that deserves further explanation/proof... I'd love someone to enlighten me :wakeup

Maybe you should have watched Splitter when he was in Tau and less when he was 18 years old.

Splitter is a very solid defender. OTOH, Scrubla is seriously limited by his lack of size and athleticism.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Maybe you should have watched Splitter when he was in Tau and less when he was 18 years old.

Splitter is a very solid defender. OTOH, Scrubla is seriously limited by his lack of size and athleticism.

Scola has very bad post defense on big players. Everyone know this. But Scola is definitely a better player than Splitter at least in current time.

[urunobili]

Maybe you should have watched Splitter when he was in Tau and less when he was 18 years old.

Splitter is a very solid defender. OTOH, Scrubla is seriously limited by his lack of size and athleticism.

Bruno... I have seen Tiago play with Brazil's national team a couple of times... as an adult... and still... overall... he didn't convince me that he is better than Scola as a defender...

EDIT: as a Position defender... one on one and against bigger guys Tiago has the advantage.. but i have seen him getting yelled at by different coaches for being out of position or not rotating appropriately...

[Bruno]

Bruno... I have seen Tiago play with Brazil's national team a couple of times... as an adult... and still... overall... he didn't convince me that he is better than Scola as a defender...

Well, we disagree. :)

[stéphane]

He's clearly and already one of the top center in europe and everybody that watches him play see room for improvement... So guess what, he's an instant upgrade over everyone not named Duncan and has a high ceiling. What could we ask for?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

He's clearly and already one of the top center in europe and everybody that watches him play see room for improvement... So guess what, he's an instant upgrade over everyone not named Duncan and has a high ceiling. What could we ask for?

Actually all these centers and centers/forwards in Europe could help make Spurs better at 4 and 5 positions. There is a lot of players in Europe that could help them at 4 and 5 positions.

Pekovic
Bourousis
Splitter
Javtokas
Batiste
Lorbek
Reyes
Shermadini
Savrasenko
Vujcic
Vazquez
Andersen
Borchard
Glyniadakis
Mavrokefalidis
Lavrinovic brothers

[Mark in Austin]

He might have knowing that his best chance for winning a title was to stay with SA. I don't know that for certain but I also don't know for certain that he would have taken more money elsewhere. Neither does anyone else here.

IMO, that is what it comes down to for a player, do you want to go somewhere that improves your chance to win a title, or would just go for the money, even to a crappy team.


I'm honestly surprised by your take on this. For players, basketball isn't simply a game, it's their profession. Duncan, who has already already made more money than god and has 4 rings gave the Spurs what was considered a huge discount on his extension - about 10 million over two years.

Why should anybody expect Splitter to take 10+million less (easily 50% less) on his FIRST deal when Duncan, who is really only playing for the history books at this point, took about 20% less on an extension to a contract that has already paid him Splitter's entire Tau contract total more than five times over?

Duncan and Garnett are the only two players I can think of who have left $10+ million on the table in the NBA. And both of those guys had already made over $100 million when they did so.

[samikeyp]

I'm honestly surprised by your take on this. For players, basketball isn't simply a game, it's their profession. Duncan, who has already already made more money than god and has 4 rings gave the Spurs what was considered a huge discount on his extension - about 10 million over two years.

Why should anybody expect Splitter to take 10+million less (easily 50% less) on his FIRST deal when Duncan, who is really only playing for the history books at this point, took about 20% less on an extension to a contract that has already paid him Splitter's entire Tau contract total more than five times over?

Duncan and Garnett are the only two players I can think of who have left $10+ million on the table in the NBA. And both of those guys had already made over $100 million when they did so.

Sorry for the surprise. Its just a different view than yours. No right, no wrong, just different. No big deal. :toast

[ploto]

Duncan and Garnett are the only two players I can think of who have left $10+ million on the table in the NBA. And both of those guys had already made over $100 million when they did so.

Rasho left $10 M in Minnesota to come to SA.

[Spurs Brazil]

I think Tiago is solid on one on one D but he must improve his rotations.

[Mel_13]

Rasho left $10 M in Minnesota to come to SA.

Was there ever anything in the press reporting this?

[ploto]

Was there ever anything in the press reporting this?

Rasho accepted $42 M from the Spurs when Minnesota was offering $52 M- albeit most of the difference was that the Timberwolves could give larger % increases each season and one more year in the contract. Kevin McHale was actually ready to increase the offer even higher to get Rasho to stay when Rasho told him that at level, it really was not about more money but about where he wanted to play. What it means in reality is that Rasho would have made a little more money each subsequent season and then he would still have had one more year on his deal and be making about $9M next season.

[Mel_13]

Rasho accepted $42 M from the Spurs when Minnesota was offering $52 M- albeit most of the difference was that the Timberwolves could give larger % increases each season and one more year in the contract. Kevin McHale was actually ready to increase the offer even higher to get Rasho to stay when Rasho told him that at level, it really was not about more money but about where he wanted to play.


Thanks, so most of the 10M would have been in the last (7th) year of the contract, while the Spurs could not offer more than 6 yrs.

Minny's payroll was insane that year. We're talking six years ago and they had about 50M committed to KG, Spree, and Wally. No wonder things started going south after the 03-04 season.

[Obstructed_View]

Rasho would have been stealing millions no matter where he went. Maybe we should start referring to him as Erick Dampierovic.

[urunobili]

I think Tiago is solid on one on one D but he must improve his rotations.

:tu