No doubt, Billups has become the best PG in the NBA [Archive]

JamStone

05-13-2009, 10:56 PM

Maybe not the best talent, but probably plays the position better than any other point guard in the league.

Although, let's wait to see how he does in the next round where he's crumbled the previous three seasons.

Still a great player and a great guy. Congrats, Smooth.

Rapper

05-13-2009, 10:58 PM

Dudes

Look at the Pistons and look back at the Nuggest

You will probably know what i'm talking about

sribb43

05-13-2009, 10:59 PM

Billups is not the best PG but he is certainly on the clutchest PG's in the game today

BandWagon Cavs Fan

05-13-2009, 11:00 PM

Sons not the best but Chauncy is a beast a "natural" point guard. ive really never seen him not play his game or force the issue......PEACE

balli

05-13-2009, 11:00 PM

Not the best. But very good. And certainly the most successful... including Parker.

lefty

05-13-2009, 11:00 PM

Well, he is obviously the opposite of AI

Jamstone disagreed with me when I said the trade was a disaster for the Pistons

balli

05-13-2009, 11:02 PM

Well, he is obviously the opposite of AI

Jamstone disagreed with me when I said the trade was a disaster for the Pistons
I still don't think it was a disaster. They had their reasons and now they have their money, which is what it was about. Chauncey wasn't bringing DET to any other end than they met this year.

Rapper

05-13-2009, 11:05 PM

I still don't think it was a disaster. They had their reasons and now they have their money, which is what it was about. Chauncey wasn't bringing DET to any other end than they met this year.

Reasons?

for Lebron 2010?

lefty

05-13-2009, 11:05 PM

Spursfan092120

05-13-2009, 11:06 PM

yes..I disagree

iggypop123

05-13-2009, 11:06 PM

i guess butler and melo are the same thing right? cp3 has equal teammates right?

Ghazi

05-13-2009, 11:07 PM

Top 5 PG

it's me

05-13-2009, 11:08 PM

Don't know about being the best......but dude makes the team he plays for better ...that's a FACT.

sribb43

05-13-2009, 11:09 PM

:lmao @ Iverson....dude must be taken a serious ego hit right now and i cant wait to see all the low ball offers he gets this summer :lol

Basketballgirl25

05-13-2009, 11:09 PM

I for one hated Billups starting in 2004, after he killed Kidd and the Nets. After this whole season I have to say I'm stupid I see why killed them now, they were just like Dallas those years and Billups team was better

peskypesky

05-13-2009, 11:09 PM

Billups isn't the best, but he's top 5.

JamStone

05-13-2009, 11:10 PM

If it was for money, than I'm ok with it

But Jamstone firmly believed Iverson would lead them to the EC title

I'd like for you to find that post please.

I didn't think the trade was a disaster. But, I don't recall saying I firmly believed Iverson would lead them to the EC. In fact, I recall that I said even if the trade doesn't work out, it's a good one in terms of opening up cap space and financial flexibility in the upcoming seasons. Now, if you're going to claim something, I sure hope you have the post to back it up. I absolutely liked the trade when it happened. And, as far as the basketball part of the trade went, it was absolutely a horrible trade for the Pistons. Now go and find that post where I said Iverson would lead them to the EC title.

balli

05-13-2009, 11:11 PM

Reasons?

for Lebron 2010?

Well mainly that Detroit is one broke ass city. I know they're talking about landing a big signing (though I lol at the idea of LeBron leaving CLE for Detroit), but I don't buy it. We'll see how they do monetarily next year, but given the current/future economic climate, I'd expect that trade was more about staying somewhat financially solvent (or less insolvent) than it was about having money for a free agent.

But that's just a hunch. I haven't been following the situation all that closely. I'd suspect DET is going to be bleeding money next season though... and keeping Chauncey would have made it that much worse.

balli

05-13-2009, 11:15 PM

i guess butler and melo are the same thing right? cp3 has equal teammates right?
No. But disregarding the talent disparity, DEN was a joke for the past few years. A bunch of knuckleheaded dumbasses. So talent didn't really matter because DEN was wasting it until Chauncey got there and brought out the best in everyone.

And if I'm positive Paul could have done the same things Chauncey does with the ball, if not do them better, I highly doubt that he could have brought the institutional maturation or shift in philosophy that Billups did; as Paul is a knuckleheaded dumbass himself.

ducks

05-13-2009, 11:32 PM

Billups is not the best PG but he is certainly on the clutchest PG's in the game today

not nearly as clutch as tp

balli

05-13-2009, 11:45 PM

not nearly as clutch as tp

I know on this board, ducks is more or less an equivalent for "mentally impaired"

But damn. Really? That dumb? It's Chauncey freaking "Mr. Big Shot" Billups. He's quite possibly the single most clutch player in the league. In fact forget possibly, it's been statistically proven.

Chauncey Billups is not nearly as clutch as TP? GMAFB

Cry Havoc

05-13-2009, 11:53 PM

As strange as it sounds, I'm willing to put Chauncey in at #1 right now. Why?

Because he plays by far the best defense out of any PG in the top 5.

Tony plays decent to good defense, but is slightly undersized.

Deron plays good defense, but can be burned by a quick man at times.

Chris Paul plays good defense but makes WAY too many gambles to be considered a "solid" defensive player.

Chauncey is just awesome. He's the most well-rounded PG in the game.

Killakobe81

05-14-2009, 12:39 AM

II said this during Round one I would take Billups, and Dwill over CP3 everyday of the week and twice in the playoffs. Better clutch shooters great size/strength better individual defenders (cp3 is great help defender but gambles way too much for steals)

I say this time of year I'd say chauncey is the best, Dwill 2nd, and Parker 3rd ...CP3 Rondo and rose have more to prove ...but for the future i love Drose size athleticisim and defense ....Rondo's got great "D" I still dont trust his "O"

Killakobe81

05-14-2009, 12:43 AM

He's definitely not the best. CP3 >> him by a mile, as well as Williams and Parker. He's number 4

AHhh no give them equal teammates and Billups till destroys CP3 especially if anyone was foolish enough to play him on Chauncey with his size he could post him shoot over him and defend him better than the CP3 could the other way ...spedd is huge advantage for Cp3 but smarts, experience and clutch are all Chauncey in spades ...

kamikazi_player

05-14-2009, 12:45 AM

IF wades considered as a PG, then Chauncey would be 5th on the list. When Gilbert gets healthy, he'll be 6th.

Dre>Parker

05-14-2009, 12:45 AM

He's definitely not the best. CP3 >> him by a mile, as well as Williams and Parker. He's number 4

Dude...Andre Miller > Tony Parker. It's science. Chauncey is #5 in this instance.

Rogue

05-14-2009, 12:51 AM

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Jacob1983

05-14-2009, 12:52 AM

Let's see how Rat Billups does against the rapist and the Lakers.

duncan228

05-14-2009, 12:58 AM

Really nice piece on Billups from Outside The Lines: 'The Disposable Superstar'.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=090511/billups

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126071

mathbzh

05-14-2009, 02:16 AM

I think he is the best leader.

CP3, Parker, DWill are probably better player, but Billups has much more leadership.
I am not sure any other PG would have change Melo's focus like Billups did.

ginobili's bald spot

05-14-2009, 02:16 AM

No doubt, you make a lot of stupid threads.

KSeal

05-14-2009, 02:20 AM

Let's see how Rat Billups does against the rapist and the Lakers.

I have a feeling the Thuggets won't be looking so hot once they aren't playing an eight seed. Lakers in 5!

eisfeld

05-14-2009, 02:44 AM

I have a feeling the Thuggets won't be looking so hot once they aren't playing an eight seed. Lakers in 5!

Could you just remind me which team played the eight seed this playoffs?

tso & lo Cavfanatic

05-14-2009, 03:46 AM

IF wades considered as a PG, then Chauncey would be 5th on the list. When Gilbert gets healthy, he'll be 6th.
Are you fucking serious????
Billups >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gilbert.

angelbelow

05-14-2009, 05:07 AM

i don't think its too far of a stretch to call him the best pg int he nba but its definitely arguable.

Ghazi

05-14-2009, 05:10 AM

Best PG in the playoffs fo sho

tso & lo Cavfanatic

05-14-2009, 08:05 AM

best pg in the playoffs fo sho
+1

Darrin

05-14-2009, 10:26 AM

Playing with Carmelo and Chauncey, Nuggests are already a very strong team

Anyone disagrees?

Nope.

pauls931

05-14-2009, 10:47 AM

Wade is not a pg, there's only a handful of persons I'd consider point guards.

Jason Kidd
Chris Paul
Steve Nash
Deron Williams
JJ Barae (has to pass because he'll get stuffed)

Most other 'point guards' try to break down the D to score and them pass if they can't.

JustBlaze

05-14-2009, 12:27 PM

He ain't the best, but he did destroy the best in the 1st round.

Brazil

05-14-2009, 12:30 PM

Rapper and his useless threads. After Yao is the best bigman in NBA today Rapper presents : CB is the best PG !

TheManFromAcme

05-14-2009, 01:29 PM

I have to admit, I am a Billups fan. The man has game and never hesitates to take over the helm. Denver has a gem in this guy.

Have to call it as I see it.

RedsLakers24

05-14-2009, 01:32 PM

Hope Fish and Brown slow him down, cuz they aint going to stop him

TheManFromAcme

05-14-2009, 01:38 PM

Hope Fish and Brown slow him down, cuz they aint going to stop him

They will be able to slown him down just a bit but it depends how we define "slowing down". Chauncey has an incredible floor I.Q. Mind you, he's no Brooks with that speed but Chauncey has been here before and that constitutes that intangible for Denver they haven't had in a while. Kobe is not the only guy in the league who "wills" his team to victory. Billups is more than capable also maybe not by the pure shooting talent Kobe has but for by his ability to create plays. He's no scrub is what I am trying to say.

I'd like to see Kobe or Brown on him to be honest with you but Phil runs the show. We shall see.

JamStone

05-14-2009, 01:44 PM

Best bet is still Fisher on Chauncey. Chauncey would abuse every other defender on the Lakers, including Kobe, Ariza, and Shannon Brown. A younger Kobe tried to defend Chauncey in the 04 Finals and got burned each time. Play him straight up, no double-teaming. Don't go for pump fakes. If he makes shots, then he makes shots. Giving him and-1 opportunities will kill you. And, the one thing you absolutely have to take away are his momentum three-point shots in transition. On a fast break or a delayed fast break, they must get up on him early so he doesn't walk into one of those dribble to the line three pointers. Pick him up at half court if you have to. Those shots are usually momentum shifters or they precede or cap an avalanche. Fisher is the best defender the Lakers have for Billups because he should be smart enough to not go for pumpfakes and he'll make a concerted effort to pick him up in transition.

jack sommerset

05-14-2009, 01:48 PM

The so called best 3 PG's in the league according to this site and some others are Williams,Paul and Parker. None of them made it past the first round and got there ass kicked hardcore style. Thats what makes me laugh about Tony Parker. Mr Overrated himself. This douche actually called Rondo overrated. That still kills me. Spews win because of Duncan. LOTS and LOTS of pg's in the league could play and win with Duncan. Now Billups is the man now.He would have won a bunch of rings if he switched spots with Parker. Could the same be said about if Parker was on the Pistons the year they won. HELL NO. Watch Parker stats start sucking dick because Duncan is getting old.

jacobdrj

05-14-2009, 01:48 PM

He was the best PG in the NBA in 2006, bar none. He lost the MVP to another PG whom he outplayed overall and head-to-head. He was never the same, never, until this season.
I don't think he is the best PG in the NBA right now. Dareon Williams is like CB, but better in just about every way. All he lacks is experence, and a solid team around him (I can't wait for DW to play without Booz holding him back).
But CB is a top tier guard (was almost afraid to say that Denver got a hell of a deal when the trade went down. AI fans are rabbid).

JamStone

05-14-2009, 01:55 PM

I agree with much of that.

However, if Billups had played the previous two years (particularly the previous two playoffs) like he did this year and back in 2006, he wouldn't have been traded at the beginning of this season to begin with.

manufan10

05-14-2009, 02:18 PM

I have a feeling the Thuggets won't be looking so hot once they aren't playing an eight seed. Lakers in 5!

Wow, I didn't know Lakers fans were that dumb! Did you forget that the LAKERS played the 8th seed??

Billups is a Top 5 guy for sure.

Brazil

05-14-2009, 02:27 PM

Hornets1

05-14-2009, 06:46 PM

i guess butler and melo are the same thing right? cp3 has equal teammates right?

:lol:lolI know right. People say CP3 gets to play alongside an all-star, which is true, but thats it!

Chauncey has melo, nene, JR, Kmart, and doenst have to play 40+ minutes a game like paul. Chauncey is one of my favorite players, and ranks 4th at PG IMO, behind TP, Dwill, and CP3.

Ghazi

05-14-2009, 06:48 PM

CP3 doesn't get to play alongside an All Star

David WEst is not an All STar.

But CP3 is overrated.

manufan10

05-14-2009, 07:04 PM

Watch Parker stats start sucking dick because Duncan is getting old.

What did he do this year with Duncan and Ginobili both hurting and out? He had one of his best seasons of his career.

This douche actually called Rondo overrated.

And Rondo hasn't benefited from playing with Pierce, Ray Allen, and Garnett? Rondo is just a fourth wheel. If Parker really is overrated, then Rondo is MUCH more overrated by your logic.

Hornets1

05-14-2009, 07:07 PM

CP3 doesn't get to play alongside an All Star

David WEst is not an All STar.

But CP3 is overrated.

If you watched CP3 almost put up a quadriple-double against the mavs, you are delerious. David West is an All-Star. As far as handling the ball, being efficient, and court vision, CP3 is untouchable. I dont know why I'm responding to this dude, clearly he's out of touch with reality.

Here's my question to you, who is the best PG in the league?