My prediction for the Mavs offseason

[monosylab1k]

All sorts of talk from Cuban & Donnie about how the "nuclear winter" of the 2009 offseason means big positive changes for the Mavericks. How every team wants to dump their stars, how Cuban is one of the few owners willing to take on contracts, and how big name players all want to come here "because it's Dallas" (actual quote from Donnie Nelson).

That's been the big talk.

Here's what will actually happen -

Jack Shit.

No big names will come to Dallas. No big trades. In fact, I'm willing to bet that, aside from Jason Kidd possibly being gone, this roster will be almost completely unchanged. We've heard big talk from Donnie & Mark for years now, with zero action. It's been all words before, why should we expect it to change?

After nothing happens, expect to hear Donnie/Cuban tell us all how JJ Barea is ready to step up as starting PG, how JET is the Sixth Man of the Year, how J-Ho's ankles are stronger than ever, and how Dirk is still in his prime. Expect talk of how the team is bonding more than ever with Rick Carlisle.

And most of all, expect almost exactly these words to be spoken at some point - "We've been targeting 2010 as our big offseason all along, nothing came about this offseason that was significant enough to make us change our plans."

I'll bump this thread in 4 months when every word of this post is true. When that time comes, I would like please for Kori or timvp to change my profile name from monosylab1k to Prophet. Thanks Kori/timvp in advance :toast

[monosylab1k]

also,

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[mFFL03]

Here's my point from other thread, Ghazi made a good point too.

bottom line....

Dirk is pretty much Allen Iverson.

His numbers are going to look great, but....his numbers are only going to take us so far. We need a player who can make plays and make his numbers.

That simple...it is the bottom line. But this is our main guy....our strongest guy. We have to keep him.

Trade JET, and J-Ho. and work from there. Either trade Dirk or trade these two guys and work around him. The real problem is these 3 players ALL PLAY THE SAME GAME.

[dav4463]

Mavs will be the mirror image next year of this year's Phoenix Suns. They may not even make the playoffs.

[Brickhouse]

Mav fans will go ballistic if this offseason's biggest move is blowing the MLE on Diop like last year's.

Who needs to go:
Erika and his big, plodding vagina
Stack
Jho and Jet

If they can't get something good in return like a REAL impact player, then trade Dirk too.

[Ghazi]

If there are deals out there I am sure the Mavs will pursue them.

Stack's contract is too valuable in this market to let expire. At the VERY least he has to be moved.

[Ghazi]

Dirk cannot and should not be traded. No way with NJ holding the 2010 draft pick. I'd rather go 45-37 than watch NJ collect a top 5 draft pick.

[monosylab1k]

If there are deals out there I am sure the Mavs will pursue them.

Donnie's been "pursuing" deals for a few years now. It's time to fucking close one.

[Ghazi]

Here's my point from other thread, Ghazi made a good point too.

bottom line....

Dirk is pretty much Allen Iverson.

His numbers are going to look great, but....his numbers are only going to take us so far. We need a player who can make plays and make his numbers.

That simple...it is the bottom line. But this is our main guy....our strongest guy. We have to keep him.

Trade JET, and J-Ho. and work from there. Either trade Dirk or trade these two guys and work around him. The real problem is these 3 players ALL PLAY THE SAME GAME.

This is just a stupid, stupid comparison.

You can say Dirk doesn't impact the game as much as his #'s say due to his defense, but to compare him to Iverson? joke.

Dirk is a much, MUCH more efficient offensive player than Allen Iverson ever was. Doesn't dude shoot like 41-42% for his career or something?

Dirk may not be the guy who can lead us to the top of the mountain (anymore, since he did in 2006) but he's still the least of this team's roster problems.

[sribb43]

Damp...Gone
Stack...Gone
Williams...Gone
Bass....Gone
Green...Gone
George...Gone

Thats at least 5 guys that I'm sure will be gone next season. I'm not to confident in Kidd returning and both J-Ho and JEt shoul be invloved in all trade discussions.

IMO this roster will be turned over....

[mavs>spurs2]

Mono is pretty much right. I don't think the roster will be unchanged, plenty of guys will probably be gone, but no impact players will be brought in. If anything, our roster will only get worse with the loss of Kidd.

[Ghazi]

I hope the Mavs resign Bass or sign and trade him or something.

I really hope the Kiddster comes back. Using the limited trade assets just to replace the PG is a waste. Need upgrades, not lateral replacements.

[ehz33satx]

The Dallas Mavs will fade off into mediocrity alongside the always mediocre Phoenix Suns. The San Antonio Spurs, on the other hand, will still be around for 3 more seasons always in the mix for another NBA trophy, as they have been for the last decade and a half. Nearly 20 years of being at or near the top always ready to win it all!

[sribb43]

Mono...If what you say is true and nothing will change with the core of this roster, I will personally go down to the AAC and start a picket line demanding you be named GM of the Mavs

No changes this summer would just be slap in the face to Dirk and wold seal the deal on Mark and Donnie as being the most incompetent front office in all of sports (even worse than the Detriot Lions)

[peskypesky]

they should all just get sex change operations since they already have the pussies

[Findog]

Keepers:

Dirk
Kidd (unless a team salary dumps us a great young PG)
Bass

Shop while their value is high:
Jet
Josh
JJB

Eh, Whatever:
Singleton
Green
Hollins

Expiring Contracts that could be useful trade bait:
Erick Dampier
Stack

Get the fuck out of Dallas:
Antoine Wright
Erick Dampier again
Devean George
Matt Carroll (oh wait, we can't, because inexplicably Charlotte gave you the MLE)
Shawne Williams

[Findog]

I think Kidd is back if the Mavs want him back. The only way he leaves is if he's happy piggybacking a ring in Cleveland for the MLE. The Mavs can offer him way more than that. I think he passes up the piggyback ring in Cleveland if Dallas gives him a 3 year deal in the $22 million range.

Bottom line is Kidd will be back if the Mavs want him back. The only way I can see it otherwise is if they're in trade talks to acquire somebody and he signs elsewhere, then the trade talks fall apart.

[Basketballgirl25]

Dirk cannot and should not be traded. No way with NJ holding the 2010 draft pick. I'd rather go 45-37 than watch NJ collect a top 5 draft pick.

you have Mark Cuban, Nets have the pick Dallas isn't going to be bad enough to not make the playoffs, I can dream it will or hope a player gets hurt and mavs don't make it, but both those things won't happen. Unless Mark Cuban actually changes his ego

[sribb43]

I wouldnt mind Hollins back as the backup center as long as we trade Damp for Kaman...Sterling would do it bc he wants out of the Kaman contract and Damp is expiring

[Ghazi]

This season is different than years past.

2005-2006-Robbed of a title, no big changes were necessary

2006-2007-Eh, you could say the Mavs exploitation meant big shakeups. But the logic makes sense. Address the match up issue (Bass) and try again

2007-2008- The gamble here was Josh would turn it around after being horrid after ASB and that a new coach would help out. The Mavs also made an effort to at least get younger on bench. The Mavs probably needed to do more, but the logic made sense. Keep in mind the Mavs were not that bad in 07-08, just had terrible luck in close games. Still had the point differential of a 56 win team

This year the Mavs point differential was that of a 48 win team, big difference. The defense kinda regressed. the season finished strong but it was still obvious the Mavs are not championship contenders.

[sribb43]

Mavs must moves this summer:

1. Bring Kidd back

2. acquire a center with low post game (kaman)

3. acquire a legit SG

[monosylab1k]

Don't get me wrong though, people. I don't want to be right. I want to be 100% wrong.

It's just I know that I'll be right.

[monosylab1k]

btw I know Michael Redd has been a guy that MFFL's have coveted, but hopefully not anymore. I have a feeling that guy's career is going to tank so fast you'd think his name was Glen Rice. Not a smart idea to trade for him anymore, IMO.

[Ghazi]

He sucks anyway

[Findog]

The Mavs actually have some tradeable assets. There's no excuse for not using them.

[Ghazi]

How do we get better on defense?

[Findog]

How do we get better on defense?

Get better personnel.

[Rogue]

The Mavs actually have some tradeable assets. There's no excuse for not using them.
Exactly we have expirings in Damp and Stack, but we don't want to trade them for another couple of garbage contracts, and I don't think the suns will accept them, as Shaq's contract is also expiring. In fact, no team has interests to trade their expirings for ours, especially the suns who are still considering them as contenders. Amare's injury is an excuse for them to miss the playoffs, they won't give up shaq just to fuel us up.

Baron Davis may be the only target we can make a shot at with our expiring assets, Lewis's contract is also a big tail but the Magic doesn't have any plan to deal him IMHO, as the Magic are playing pretty good this season. Damp & Stack for Baron Davis & Kaman seems like a good deal for both teams.

[Ghazi]

Salaries don't match ROGUESTER

I don't view Kaman and Davis as true difference makers anyway.

Mavs need difference makers.

[Findog]

I think the only way Shaq gets out of Phoenix is if he accepts a buyout for pennies on the dollar. I can't see the Suns dealing him to a Western team, and Rogue is right, Amare's injury gives the Suns the false illusion that they have something with him.

The only scenario I can think of is if Shaq starts making it known that for $20 million in salary next year, they won't be getting a motivated and healthy player. If he wants his freedom, he'll have to buy it, and Phoenix's owner is such a pennypincher that he might let Shaq go for the cap relief.

[Ghazi]

NVM they are within 25%

Still, Kaman is an upgrade over Damp but too marginal to make a difference.

[Findog]

damp sucked, he gave us nothing in this series.

[Rogue]

Salaries don't match ROGUESTER

I don't view Kaman and Davis as true difference makers anyway.

Mavs need difference makers.
maybe we can throw in some fillers to balance the salaries. If we are to get shaq, we will have got to give the Suns Josh Howard who is our only central player under 30 years old. Kaman and Davis may not solve our problems, and Baron's contract may turn a cancer in the expectable future, but the are absolutely much more valuable than Damp and Stack. Davis will make tons of differences as our starting SG, Kaman has fire in the paint, which will loosen the defense on the shooters like JET and Kidd.

Plus, JET and Kidd should be retained.

[Findog]

I wouldn't go anywhere near Baron Davis' contract. I don't want him at any price, except JET's role for the MLE. And he has four years and tens of millions coming to him, so no thanks. Pass on B-Diddy.

[Rogue]

I wouldn't go anywhere near Baron Davis' contract. I don't want him at any price, except JET's role for the MLE. And he has four years and tens of millions coming to him, so no thanks. Pass on B-Diddy.
Maggette is also a good option.

[mingus]

they need to get rid of Dampier , Jason Kidd , and Josh Howard and surround Dirk with some actual talent and some toughness ...

Artest would be great for Dallas ... i'm not sure Artest wouldn't want to be in Dallas either ... everybody keeps saying Houston will retain him , but Yao Ming and Tmac's inability to stay healthy for a full season is probably going to be on his mind if he wants to win . plus the Carlisle connection ...

Rasheed would be good also (although i want him with the Spurs :nope) .

i think that's step in that right direction ... i think the basic idea is they need some toughness . that's one of the weaknesses of the team , and of Dirk specifically . but it's weakness that can be covered up with the right guys aroung Dirk . people have to realize Dirk is soft and that wont change ... t's management's job to offset whatever softness he brings to the team with guys who have toughness , and not expect some sudden and drastic change from him in that respect ...

[Ghazi]

Regarding this years Mavs roster

Guys I wanna see back:

Dirk-2006 NBA Champion
Kidd

Guys I wanna see traded:

Stackhouse
Dampier
Howard

Guys I wouldn't mind being traded as fillers to make #'s work:

Matt Carroll
Shawne Williams
Antoine Wright
Jose Juan Barea

Guys I wouldn't mind too much if they were resigned:

Brandon Bass-I think he must be resigned or sign and traded. I'm not sure how this works. Someone fill me the fuck in
James Singleton
Ryan Hollins

Get the fuck off my team:

Gerald Green
Devean George

This leaves Terry. I want him back. I think he can still be a reliable 4th scorer. The problem is the Mavs lack of talent forced him into a role he is incapable of filling in the playoffs.

The problem with JET is 40% of his shots are 3 pointers and he only makes 36% of them. That is not bad as a 4th or 5th guy, but it simply does not do as a 2nd or 3rd guy.

So the Mavs must infuse talent that puts him in his role. He needs a more Eddie House type role, although he is far better than House.

Players who I fancy in trades that "might" be possible:

Chris Bosh, Vince Carter, Gerald Wallace, Shaq, Stephen Jackson... I dunno about any other realistic targets. probably missing a few players. I'm assuming the only way the Mavs can pull off a trade is if another team wants to dump salary. Seeing as how the only appeal of the Mavs' trade assets is that they can save other teams cash.

Players I fancy for MLE:

Ron Artest, Marcin Gortat... dunno who else!

Players who some talk about that I dont wanna see:

Tyson Chandler-barely better than Damp. In fact, was WORSE than Damp this year
Chris Kaman-much better than Damp as far as offense, but only marginally better overall as a center. In fact, you could say Damp had a better year than Kaman

both these guys have injury issues too.

I'm also curious as to whether Shan Foster can help the team. 3-PT shooting is an area the Mavs need to improve in.

2009 pick:

needs to be a PG and this PG class is deep. However, I would not mind using it in a trade. I believe the Mavs can use it in a trade on draft night.

[Basketballgirl25]

Players who I fancy in trades that "might" be possible:

Chris Bosh, Vince Carter, Gerald Wallace, Shaq, Stephen Jackson... I dunno about any other realistic targets. probably missing a few players. I'm assuming the only way the Mavs can pull off a trade is if another team wants to dump salary. Seeing as how the only appeal of the Mavs' trade assets is that they can save other teams cash.

I actually don't see Nets trading Vince Carter to the Mavs, sorry they just aren't that dumb. We have your pick why would they want to help you get better, unless we are going to help you get worse somehow through a trade I don't see him as a Mav next season. So I'd say good dream that won't come true.:toast

[Ghazi]

Cause he's old and overpaid

[monoslyab1k]

Just watch. Nothing is going to happen this Summer.

Jason Kidd will walk, Mavs will draft a PG and fill out the roster with a few no names. That's it. Enjoy 45-37 mediocrity. We love our team!

Why? Cause Josh wasn't healthy!

Cause we were within 1 bad call of making the WCF and upsetting the Lakers!

Because the team finished the year strong and found its identity!

JET was just going through a shooting slump! So what if he's 32! He'll be back and have his best year ever!

Cause JJB will be better! Puerto Rican Allen Iverson!

Stackhouse found his legs! He's good for 10 points off the bench!

Antoine Wright worked on his 3-point shot!

Shawne Williams settled his personal issues and is ready to contribute!

Matt Carroll is a smart defender and a good 3-PT shooter!

We love our team!

What a joke of a front office

[Ghazi]

mono if you're so confident let's make a bet. If the Mavs make no significant trades this offseason (significant as in core altering, obvious difference maker, big time name), I won't post on this forum ever again. If they do then you never post again.

Deal or are you a pussy? :lol :lol

[sribb43]

btw I know Michael Redd has been a guy that MFFL's have coveted, but hopefully not anymore. I have a feeling that guy's career is going to tank so fast you'd think his name was Glen Rice. Not a smart idea to trade for him anymore, IMO.

defensive liability who is a great shooter but has a limited ability to drive to the whole.....

I'd like the Mavs to once again go after Mike Miller and Kaman

Stack for Miller
Damp for Kaman

The other guys the Mavs go after must be atheltic guys in their 20's. not 30+ yr old guys like Devean George, Eddie Jones...maybe go after some one like Matt Barnes for cheap. He is a much better backup option at the 3 than Green, Singleton, Wright and other crap the mavs throw out there. Mavs have the ability to use their LLE this offseason season

[Rogue]

they need to get rid of Dampier , Jason Kidd , and Josh Howard and surround Dirk with some actual talent and some toughness ...

Artest would be great for Dallas ... i'm not sure Artest wouldn't want to be in Dallas either ... everybody keeps saying Houston will retain him , but Yao Ming and Tmac's inability to stay healthy for a full season is probably going to be on his mind if he wants to win . plus the Carlisle connection ...

Rasheed would be good also (although i want him with the Spurs :nope) .

i think that's step in that right direction ... i think the basic idea is they need some toughness . that's one of the weaknesses of the team , and of Dirk specifically . but it's weakness that can be covered up with the right guys aroung Dirk . people have to realize Dirk is soft and that wont change ... t's management's job to offset whatever softness he brings to the team with guys who have toughness , and not expect some sudden and drastic change from him in that respect ...
I don't think the Mavs will get Ron Artest, as we don't have enough salary space to give him a 10m/yr contract which he deserves. Only through a sign&trade can we get a free agent like Ron, but that's not practical either, as we would have to talk with the Rockets... By 90% chance Ron Artest will remain as a Rocket next season, though the Rockets won't sign a very long contract with him, probably an 3-year contract worthing 40m or some.

[sribb43]

Just watch. Nothing is going to happen this Summer.

Jason Kidd will walk, Mavs will draft a PG and fill out the roster with a few no names. That's it. Enjoy 45-37 mediocrity. We love our team!

Why? Cause Josh wasn't healthy!

Cause we were within 1 bad call of making the WCF and upsetting the Lakers!

Because the team finished the year strong and found its identity!

JET was just going through a shooting slump! So what if he's 32! He'll be back and have his best year ever!

Cause JJB will be better! Puerto Rican Allen Iverson!

Stackhouse found his legs! He's good for 10 points off the bench!

Antoine Wright worked on his 3-point shot!

Shawne Williams settled his personal issues and is ready to contribute!

Matt Carroll is a smart defender and a good 3-PT shooter!

We love our team!

What a joke of a front office

As much as alot that stuff sounds like BS..to Donnie its probably exactly what he is thinking

[Ghazi]

Kaman sucks dammit. The only center that intrigues me is the Big Cactus. Cmon PHX do us a solid!

My sig is the starting 5 the Mavs MUST have next year to compete for a title!

[Basketballgirl25]

:depressed
Cause he's old and overpaid

Kidd's older

[sribb43]

Kaman sucks dammit. The only center that intrigues me is the Big Cactus. Cmon PHX do us a solid!

My sig is the starting 5 the Mavs MUST have next year to compete for a title!

Kaman doesnt not suck...He is a better rebounder/shot blocker than Damp, light years ahead in terms of offense game. He can use both is left and right hand offensively and has post moves as well as a 10-12 ft jumper. He would without question be the Mavs best center in their franchise history.

Kaman>>>>>>>>>>>>Damp

Yes the guy has missed alot of games but I attribute that to playing for the Clippers and not coming back from injury early bc who wants to suit up for the lowly Clips and play with B-Diddy

[Rogue]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=r3p3qs

[Ghazi]

I dunno bro, he's been in the league for 6 years and 5 of them have been a big bag of suck. You could even argue that Dampier has been better than Kaman for 5 of the past 6 years.

Here's a typical day of work for Chris Kaman:

MIN FG PCT 3P PCT FT PCT STL BLK TO PF OFF DEF TOT AST
0 0-0 - 0/0 - 0/0 - 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

[sribb43]

[QUOTE=Ghazi;3392942]I dunno bro, he's been in the league for 6 years and 5 of them have been a big bag of suck. You could even argue that Dampier has been better than Kaman for 5 of the past 6 years.
[\QUOTE]

:wow

[Rogue]

Kaman doesnt not suck...He is a better rebounder/shot blocker than Damp, light years ahead in terms of offense game. He can use both is left and right hand offensively and has post moves as well as a 10-12 ft jumper. He would without question be the Mavs best center in their franchise history.

Kaman>>>>>>>>>>>>Damp

Yes the guy has missed alot of games but I attribute that to playing for the Clippers and not coming back from injury early bc who wants to suit up for the lowly Clips and play with B-Diddy
But the Clippers have already hammered B-Diddy and Kaman in the same package, no way would they give us Kaman only. We have to swallow Diddy's long contract if we want to get Kaman, for the worst case Carlisle can just nail Diddy at the last margin of our bench, or even pack him in the inactive list. Kaman himself is more than enough to make a big difference to our team.

[sribb43]

But the Clippers have already hammered B-Diddy and Kaman in the same package, no way would they give us Kaman only. We have to swallow Diddy's long contract if we want to get Kaman, for the worst case Carlisle can just nail Diddy at the last margin of our bench, or even pack him in the inactive list. Kaman himself is more than enough to make a big difference to our team.

Kaman has 4 more years on his deal and the Clippers team just plain sucks. Donald Sterling will definetly trade a player with 4 yrs left for 1 year left in Dampier. He tired to spend money and it back fired on him...he is going back to the old Sterling which is saving and making as much money as possible

[Ghazi]

Cmon, Kaman really sucks.

If the Mavs biggest move this Summer is acquiring Chris mutha fuckin Kaman I will be just as depressed as if they stood pat.

[sribb43]

Cmon, Kaman really sucks.

If the Mavs biggest move this Summer is acquiring Chris mutha fuckin Kaman I will be just as depressed as if they stood pat.

So a center that averged 16 pts 13 reb 3 blks on 49% shooting in 2007-08 sucks...then what the hell is Dampier?

Im not saying Kaman is the big move they need to make but it is one of many moves that will really improve this team

[Allanon]

That's been the big talk. :cry

Here's what will actually happen - :cry

Jack Shit. :cry

:cry

[Rogue]

Kaman has 4 more years on his deal and the Clippers team just plain sucks. Donald Sterling will definetly trade a player with 4 yrs left for 1 year left in Dampier. He tired to spend money and it back fired on him...he is going back to the old Sterling which is saving and making as much money as possible
B Davis has one more year on contract than Kaman, and he is even more unpredictable than Kaman considering his x-factor style. Since before the trade deadline, the Clippers have been seeking for a buyer that wants to take the package of Kaman&Davis. Their potential buyers generally loved Kaman pretty much, but all got feared back by Davis's contract. If the Clippers agreed to sell them individually, Kaman wouldn't have remained in LA. Kaman is just a bait, what they want to get rid of is not Kaman but Baron Davis who is just like the hook. Even so, we still have to take this gamble.

[Ghazi]

He only shot 48% that year (for a center? cmon) , he committed 3 TO's per game, he has a pretty low frequency of free throws for a big guy, and he also missed 26 games that year.

I dont watch the Clippers play much (not that it matters since Kaman never fucking plays), but I know Chris Kaman sucks. And given the fact that he's been a Clipper for 6 years, he probably has the same loser mentality that has plagued most of our roster after being fucked out of a championship in 06 and bombarded with halfcourt 3-PT shots in '07.

[Rogue]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=o6qf36

[Ghazi]

Actually by most I was referring to J-Ho and JET

Isn't it amazing what Salvatore's cursed whistle has done?

It turned Dirk from an NBA Champion to a "soft choker who can't get it done" in the eyes of the ignorant (most people).

And it turned Jason Terry from Finals MVP to tweener who doesn't perform in the playoffs. (I suppose he was always a tweener :lol, but still)

My poor guys deserved better. Has Stern no shame destroying legacies and careers and deluding FO's into thinking they need white stiffs and old veterans (RIP QUIS). :(

[sribb43]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=o6qf36

dont see the suns wanting anything to do with Caroll's contract...

[Ghazi]

Waiting for you to admit Kaman sucks and that Jason Terry should've been the Finals MVP.

[Rogue]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qx98zj

[Rogue]

Waiting for you to admit Kaman sucks and that Jason Terry should've been the Finals MVP.
yes Kaman sucks, I plan to induce Kerr to deal us Shaq, but I haven't got his phone number.

[sribb43]

Dirk averages 34.4 points 10.1 reb shoots 52% and 93% and Mavs lose in 5 games :bang

Its just shows you how bad his supporting cast is and hopefully Donnie and Mark see once again that they are wasting Dirk's career

[Ghazi]

In fairness to Mark and Donnie, they've only wasted 1 year of Dirk's prime. Let's say Dirk's absolute prime started at age 27.


05-06 the whistles wasted it
06-07 the bullshit shots and Dirk himself wasted it
07-08 J-Ho wasted it (this season could've been much different if J-Ho hadn't went to absolute shit after the ASB I swear to GOD! Although likely no shot against Celtics small shot against Lakers)
08-09 the FO wasted it. Just wasn't in the cards. Not sure if any movement of personell could've put the Mavs on the level of the Cavs/Lakers/Celtics anyway.

We'll see about 09-10

[sribb43]

Kirk Hinrich anyone?

[Rogue]

Stack and Damp's expiring contracts will bring us either a couple of other garbage contracts that also expire in 2010, or some valuable contracts that have more years left, like Baron Davis, Kaman and Maggette. What their expirings can bring us are just those useful players trapped in scrub teams, so it's really very hard to find more targets other than Kaman, Davis and Maggette.

[sribb43]

Alot of teams are under the false hope that 2010 is the year for them to get a major free agent so they will be looking to acquire expiring deals.....Mavs should and need to take advantage of this to get some very quality players

[Rogue]

Kirk Hinrich anyone?
I think the Bulls will let Gordon walk this summer, considering his poor shows in the series against Celtics, so Hinrich will still be a pretty important role for the Bulls. Only scrub teams want to cut out their long contracts, contenders like Bulls would rather to keep those players than trade them for some expiring garbages.

[sribb43]

I think the Bulls will let Gordon walk this summer, considering his poor shows in the series against Celtics, so Hinrich will still be a pretty important role for the Bulls. Only scrub teams want to cut out their long contracts, contenders like Bulls would rather to keep those players than trade them for some expiring garbages.

I think Hinrich's situation depends on Gordon...if Gordon walks then obviously Hinrich will remain a Bull for sure

[Ghazi]

First Kaman and now Heinrich?

Mavs need an infusion of good players, not scrubs. If you wanna swap our scrubs for other teams' scrubs and go 45-37 fine, but I am holding out hope for something better!

[sribb43]

First Kaman and now Heinrich?

Mavs need an infusion of good players, not scrubs. If you wanna swap our scrubs for other teams' scrubs and go 45-37 fine, but I am holding out hope for something better!

OK Donnie...lets keep Damp Stack J-ho and everyone else bc this core has proven it can make it to the finals and win at an elite level:lol

[Jose Ole]

My prediction for the Mavs offseason: They won't even catch a fish... its going to be a long time before they hang a banner!

[monosylab1k]

I joined SpursTalk before the Gasol trade! 75 win ecstasy!!!!!

[monosylab1k]

mono if you're so confident let's make a bet. If the Mavs make no significant trades this offseason (significant as in core altering, obvious difference maker, big time name), I won't post on this forum ever again. If they do then you never post again.

Deal or are you a pussy? :lol :lol

Define significant more clearly. I don't want you pussing out at the end, citing technicalities like Roxsfan did. Is getting Baron Davis significant? Stephen Jackson? Chris Kaman? Rafer Alston? Javaris Crittendon? higher or lower?

[Ghazi]

mavs need to turn water into wine.

not water into water.

dirk is a 1.25 option, not a 1.5 option.

Lebron is the only player on the planet who could've led this years' mavs to a title in place of Dirk.

[Rogue]

mavs need to turn water into wine.

not water into water.

dirk is a 1.25 option, not a 1.5 option.

Lebron is the only player on the planet who could've led this years' mavs to a title in place of Dirk.
exactly, Kaman sucks and won't be a significant upgrade over Dampier. Stack's expiring contract should be used on Maggette who can play as 6th man, to put Antonie Wright back on bench. Or we can also start Maggette at SF to replace Josh, after Donnie trades Josh packed with fillers for a real good center like Shaq.

[Ghazi]

Eww Maggette?

Same mentality as Howard and Dampier. Play well, get a fat contract, quit.

Maggette sucks, unless he's playing for a contract.

[Rogue]

Our expiring contracts can only bring us Maggette, or Kaman&Davis as a package. Obviously the later choice would be a big gamble, so the former one should be our first option.

After adding Maggette to our squad, we will have much more flexibility making other trades. The acquirement of Maggette will make Josh Howard pretty tradable, and we can also put JET into some negotiations if we have to, as Maggette is also a pretty good sixth man.

[poop]

they should all just get sex change operations since they already have the pussies

hahahaha winner

[Ghazi]

Davis sucks too. same thing. play well, fat contract, quit.

I want some bad ass mutha fuckas on this team, like my signature :). not soft lazy scrubs who don't give a shit (Kaman, Davis, Chandler, Heinrich, Maggette, etc).

[Rogue]

We would have to offer Nets Josh Howard if we want them to spit out Carter, and Josh Howard may still not be enough. Carter is the only thing the Nets can use to attract some attention from audiences, I'm afraid the Nets have already labelized Carter "untradable". The Spurs and Rockets both tried such deals with the Nets before the deadline, but neither of them succeeded. Gerald Wallace is almost of the same value as Josh, so he might be an income from a trade involving Josh.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=onel6o

[Rogue]

What we can put out are just hands of expiring contracts owned by trashy players, and we don't have any talent to draw any attention from those rebuilding teams, which makes it even more difficult for Donnie to cook some good-tasting dishes with those ingredients.

At some point, the Gasol trade was not totally a robery. Kwame Brown was just a container in that trade, what the Grizzlies wanted were the fresh fruits carried by the No.1 draft basket. Marc Gasol may run over his brother in a couple of years, the Lakers just traded some potential for instant power. But we don't have any 1st rounder or unsigned draft to gain more weight onto those garbage contracts.

[DPG21920]

Question: Do the Mavs have Kidd's Bird Rights? Here is the start of my Mav assessment:

As far as the Mavs are concerned they have a lot of tough decisions and also a lot of possibilities. Thanks in large part to some bad contracts that are expiring and having an owner that will open up his wallet to bring in pieces, they should be able to make some moves. In my opinion they are not that far off from being a legit contender. The thing is, Cuban is in love with his players and is personally close to them, so will he make the changes? He passed up on a lot of trades this year that I believe would have made his team better.

The first big decision is with regard to Jason Kidd. He had a pretty good year, but I just do not know how much he wants to be in Dallas or how much Dallas wants him. It will probably depend on that and how much he commands in Free Agency which is any ones guess. I could see him going to the Lakers, but they would only be able to offer him the MLE (Mid-Level Exception) since they are over the salary cap. To me that is the biggest competitor, especially if he is chasing a ring. I personally think they will try and sign him.

If they do not re-sign Kidd, it is hard for me to imagine who they could obtain as a point guard. Great point guards are hard to come by, and people are not just giving them away. Mavs are in the same boat as the Spurs, win now. They have a 2-3 year window with Dirk, just like the Spurs with Tim. So, if they trade for a young point guard, it could hinder their winning ability.

If you look at the point guards in the league, you have a few tiers:
Tier 1: Chris Paul, Tony Parker, Deron Williams
Tier 2: Mo Williams, Jason Kidd, Billups, Jameer Nelson
Tier 3: Mike Bibby, Jose Calderon, Baron Davis, Steve Nash, Andre Miller, Jamal Crawford plus a bunch of other guys as the tiers go down for various reasons.

Obviously, Tier 1 guys are untouchable. This is because Tier 1 are legit stars of their team and are young and proven and the best at their position. Tier 2 guys are guys who are very, good players but a step below the other guys, but on any given night can be right on par with Tier 1. Out of the Tier 2 guys, only 1 (Kidd) has a legit shot at being had. Billups is doing great in Denver, Mo Williams might win a title with Lebron this year and was an All-Star, and Jameer Nelson was having a sick year before he got hurt. Tier 3 is where I can see the Mavs looking to make a deal, and there are some to be had, so lets look at them more closely.

Bibby: kind of like Kidd (with regards to veteran, playoff tested...) and fits with the win now mentality. He is definitely more of a score first PG, but that is not a bad thing for the Mavs. He is kind of old (like Kidd) and his defense is not great. But if they let Kidd go, I would not be surprised to see them make a run at Bibby.

Jose Calderon: PG for the Raptors. He is more like Kidd, but younger. He is a pass first PG that is good at controlling tempo and has a great assist/to ratio. He has some playoff experience. He is a TERRIBLE defender though and if the Mavs run into TP or CP3 or D-Will or anyone like that, it will even be worse than Kidd trying to guard them (and TP had 2 40 point games against the Mavs in the playoffs). Also, he is really the only PG Toronto has, so I do not see a high likely hood of a trade, especially because he is getting better.

Baron Davis: This is one of the trades that Cuban turned down this year. It was Davis + Kaman for Kidd. The reason he turned it down was because he did not want the bad contracts of the 2 that extended beyond 2010. It would not surprise me to see them make a run for him in isolation, maybe through a sign and trade. He would fit well, but there is serious questions about his health, desire and motivation. Big risk, but could be the best option.

Steve Nash: This is something I could see from the Mavs point of view. Cuban loves him, Dirk loves him and is in need of some friends in light of all the off-court drama. He has experience and is clutch. I just do not know if the Suns would be willing to do a trade. Nash has a super friendly contract that is not guaranteed and that expires in 2010 so he is an extremely valuable trade asset. If this could happen, that would make letting Kidd go a non issue

There are a bunch of other players they can go after that are pretty solid pg's (Kirk, Jack..) that could probably be had, but then that would make acquiring other big pieces to make up the difference.

[JoseJuanJesusBarea]

I think Donnie and Cuban will make the deals. They gave the team 1 1/2 years after the Finals year to show progress and when they didn't, they made the huge Kidd deal. Now it's been basically 1 1/2 years and they've given Kidd a full year. The team showed progress but it's also apparent that the roster isn't a championship roster anymore.

They have enticing contracts for owners that are either looking to simply save money or snatch up expiring contracts for the 2010 free agent gangbang and they will do something. They've always made moves and never been afraid to pull the trigger. Just gotta hope they get something good.

Damp should be gone, there's simply no way you can enter the 2009/2010 season with Dampier as your starting center.

Hopefully they can resign Kidd. He's always went with the money so if Dallas can offer him a better contract than a team that wants him to come chase a ring then hopefully he will be back.

Dirk gets better and better every year and if he can finally take the last step he showed in games 4 and 5 against Denver and be a post player a majority of the time then another big man with some post game and a little defense would be vital. Kaman would fill that role. No, he's not an elite center but why would any team trade a top tier center? He is 5 times as good as Erika.

I don't have any problems with keeping Josh and JET. Just have to get a real SG.

[Findog]

There's no reason Damp should be back when he sucks and has a team option for 10/11. No team will pick that up, so he is in effect an expiring.

[stretch]

if the mavs can dump stack/damp/pick for Shaq, resign Kidd, Bass, Hollins... the Mavs could be really really good. Shaq would fit a lot better in a slower, more controlled system. the rebounding would be ridiculously good with Shaq, Dirk, Kidd, and Howard. i would honestly start Matt Carroll as it would give them a 2 with size, and shooting ability, along with an offseason and training camp to fit in better.

then you have barea, terry, bass, hollins off the bench... all good energy guys, which is what you need off the bench. if the mavs could find a way to get a swingman with energy/scoring ability, that would help a lot too.

at that point, you just gotta hope the team stays healthy. i know a lot of people want Howard out, but he was injured a lot this year, and still played through them and really tried hard in the playoffs, even though he wasn't great against Denver, i gotta give him credit for putting forth a lot of effort. it seems that having Armstrong on the staff has helped him a lot too. and i dont think the Mavs could get a lot in return for Howard, not as much as some people think. perhaps im wrong. someone some people dont have a very high opinion of, is Shawn Marion, but I think he would be great, and if we could find a way to get Marion, perhaps having Toronto do a sign-and-trade of Howard for Marion and some role players or picks, that would be nice. he would fit great with Kidd, defends well, great rebounder, runs the floor, finishes well, hits open 3s, and plays with non-stop energy. his athleticism would be a great asset against teams like the Nuggets, Lakers, and Hornets.

a reasonable lineup i would like to see is something like this...

Kidd/Barea
Carroll/Terry
Marion/athletic swingman
Dirk/Bass
Shaq/Hollins

[pauls931]

I'd cry if Marion ended up on Dallas, shaq is great, but I miss that guy's defense.

[DPG21920]

Do the Mavs have Kidd's Bird Rights?

[sribb43]

I'd cry if Marion ended up on Dallas, shaq is great, but I miss that guy's defense.

he is not the same player anymore and should never be referred to as "The Matrix" again

[monosylab1k]

kill me with death if the Mavs get Marion. I'd rather have Josh Howard, and we all know how little I think of Smokey.

[Mel_13]

Do the Mavs have Kidd's Bird Rights?

yes

If he leaves Dallas, it won't be because of money.

[stretch]

I don't understand the Marion hate. He hustles. He rebounds. He defends. He runs the floor well. He doesn't need the ball to be effective. If you have Kidd running the offense, Dirk being the #1 option, and Shaq being the guy inside, a guy like Marion would be perfect.

[sribb43]

I don't understand the Marion hate. He hustles. He rebounds. He defends. He runs the floor well. He doesn't need the ball to be effective. If you have Kidd running the offense, Dirk being the #1 option, and Shaq being the guy inside, a guy like Marion would be perfect.

The problem is marion thinks he is a #1 scoring option. he is now on the otherside of 30...as far as his D and rebounding, it isnt pre 2007 anymore

[stretch]

He may have in the past, but I'm sure after having been bounced around, he has realized by now, its not about him. And even if he thinks so, he has never been a guy to go forcing a bunch of stupid shots either. He has always been a pretty smart player. Not having to deal with Howard's bonehead plays every game would be a nice thing.

[sribb43]

Howard > Marion

[Ghazi]

Matt fucking Carroll?

Shawn fucking Marion?

I thought we were trying to win a championship here, not finish 9th and watch NJ get a lottery pick.

[stretch]

I agree Howard is a better basketball player overall. But I think Marion may fit the Mavs better, especially if they got Shaq. It depends on Howard. If he plays like he is capable of, the way he was back from 05-07, I'll take him, no question. But he hasn't consistently done that for some time now. I hope he can get back to that point though.

[Ghazi]

This is the Lebron James era.

No team w/ Matt fucking Carroll in the starting 5 is gonna beat the 2nd best player of all time.

[stretch]

Matt fucking Carroll?

Shawn fucking Marion?

I thought we were trying to win a championship here, not finish 9th and watch NJ get a lottery pick.

Vince Carter, Dirk, Shaq, and Gerald Wallace sharing shots?

GTFO

the offense still needs to be ran through Dirk. He just needs a better post presence, and guys who can knock down open shots.

[sribb43]

So we go from Antoine Wright at SG to Matt Carroll? :lmao

I hope to God that doesnt happen

[Ghazi]

Wallace and Shaq don't shoot that many shots.

[stretch]

So we go from Antoine Wright at SG to Matt Carroll? :lmao

I hope to God that doesnt happen

its not my ideal lineup, but its reasonable. im trying to put together reasonable scenarios, and lineups that would work well together.

fact is, the future doesnt look incredibly bright right now for any team not named the Cavs, Lakers, Blazers, or Magic.

[stretch]

Wallace and Shaq don't shoot that many shots.

Id rather Shaq take 20 shots a game than Carter at this point.

And after watching quite a few Bobcats games this year on league pass, Wallace shoots a good amount of stupid shots, like Howard does.

[Ghazi]

Matt fucking Carroll?

[stretch]

lol spursdynasty wannabe

[monosylab1k]

I don't understand the Marion hate. He hustles. He rebounds. He defends. He runs the floor well. He doesn't need the ball to be effective. If you have Kidd running the offense, Dirk being the #1 option, and Shaq being the guy inside, a guy like Marion would be perfect.

I don't know if you've paid any attention to him this season, but he's lost a considerable amount of his athleticism. He's still more athletic than anyone on the Mavs, but he lacks basic skills that will kill him once his athleticism is gone completely. Shawn Marion circa 2005 would be great. 2009 Shawn Marion is quickly turning into an unathletic undersized PF who can't shoot or dribble.

[Ghazi]

Shawn Marion !!!

Matt Carroll!!!

Championship!!!

[DPG21920]

I know this for certain, if you replace Wright with Carroll and Howard with Marion, the Spurs would most definitely own the Mavs.

[JustBlaze]

^^That's a good one. Matt Carroll LMAO. Oh noes! He can sorta shoot the 3's...and thas about it.:rollin:rollin

[Basketballgirl25]

the future doesnt look incredibly bright right now for any team not named the Cavs, Lakers, Blazers, or Magic.


Jackpot:toast

[jacobdrj]

Rick Carlisle will get another season. He will fail to win a championship (through no fault of his own) and will procede to get canned after the 010 season.
He will be succeded by Jason Terry, and the team will fail to make the playoffs.

[stretch]

Jackpot:toast

unfortunately most other people arent able to realize that truth.

the only way the mavs could have a legit chance to win a title is if they somehow got Shaq to Dallas, AND did that weird salary dump-off thing to get Chris Paul, Tyson Chandler, and Peja or someone like that.

in other words, not happening.

[Findog]

The only way Shaq comes to Dallas is if he pulls the locker room cancer routine and takes pennies on the dollar in a buyout. If they decide to trade him, it won't be to an organization with which they have some bad blood.

[Ghazi]

That sucks.

Shaq is the only appealing center to me.

Any other names?

I like Emeka Okafor though.

But Larry Brown likes his squad apparently.

is there ANY hope for my guys in blue ? (don't say Chris Kaman please!)

[stretch]

The only way Shaq comes to Dallas is if he pulls the locker room cancer routine and takes pennies on the dollar in a buyout. If they decide to trade him, it won't be to an organization with which they have some bad blood.

I don't think the Suns really have any bad blood with Dallas.

And if they are in a rebuilding phase, it really doesnt matter who you trade him to. It's all about best value. If they were still contenders, looking to get better, thats a different story.

[sribb43]

I know this for certain, if you replace Wright with Carroll and Howard with Marion, the Spurs would most definitely own the Mavs.

agreed and the Mavs front office should be shot

[Findog]

I don't think the Suns really have any bad blood with Dallas.

Yes they do. They won't want to do us any favors.



And if they are in a rebuilding phase, it really doesnt matter who you trade him to. It's all about best value. If they were still contenders, looking to get better, thats a different story.


It just doesn't work that way in practice. The Lakers could've gotten a better deal in the West, but they shipped Shaq to Miami.

[DPG21920]

What do Mav fans think of my suggestions? BD or Nash? Nash is much more of a long shot because he is a valuable trade chip and the Suns prob won't ship him to Dallas, although if he really presses the issue it might be done.

What about Bibby?

[stretch]

Yes they do. They won't want to do us any favors.



It just doesn't work that way in practice. The Lakers could've gotten a better deal in the West, but they shipped Shaq to Miami.

Where does the bad blood come from? A couple playoff face-offs? I doubt it. It's a dead rivalry that lasted for a couple years.

And the Lakers weren't rebuilding entirely. They still had arguably the best player in the league at the time of trading Shaq and thought they could still be a contender with the right deal. No reason in trading him to another contender in the west unless its a no-brainer. The Suns don't even have a top 10 player, and are old and beat up. Two completely different situations.

[stretch]

What do Mav fans think of my suggestions? BD or Nash? Nash is much more of a long shot because he is a valuable trade chip and the Suns prob won't ship him to Dallas, although if he really presses the issue it might be done.

What about Bibby?

If they don't get Kidd, I don't mind Bibby. BD is injury prone. I doubt Nash comes back.

[sribb43]

Shaq does have a home in Frisco and him and Cubes are tight

[Ghazi]

Mike fucking Bibby?

[DPG21920]

Jamal Crawford?

[sribb43]

Mike fucking Bibby?

Hell No


Jamal Crawford?

F*** No

[Ghazi]

you generally need a top 2-3 record in your conference and a top 2-3 margin of victory tocompete for an NBA title

Mavs were 12 wins off and 5.5 points per game off those #'s this year

That is a very large gap

One that sure isn't filled by guys like Matt fucking Carroll, Shawn mutha fuckin Marion, Chris fucking Kaman, etc etc.

[stretch]

Mike fucking Bibby?

Okay, I was previously able to tolerate you and your persistent ignorance just fine, but now you have seriously morphed into a fucking annoying dumbass. I know you are being a retard on purpose, but its gotten to a ridiculous point. I think most trolls are funny, but its not really funny when you used to be a somewhat reasonable and normal poster, and suddenly decide to be just like SpursDynasty, except failing miserably in the process.

Speaking of which, where has SpursDynasty been?

Eat dick Ghazi.

[sribb43]

Okay, I was previously able to tolerate you and your persistent ignorance just fine, but now you have seriously morphed into a fucking annoying dumbass. I know you are being a retard on purpose, but its gotten to a ridiculous point. I think most trolls are funny, but its not really funny when you used to be a somewhat reasonable and normal poster, and suddenly decide to be just like SpursDynasty, except failing miserably in the process.

Speaking of which, where has SpursDynasty been?

Eat dick Ghazi.

:lol

[Ghazi]

quit bein sensitive.

I was actually agreeing with your opinion that Bibby/Carroll/Marion/Dirk/Shaq is a solid starting 5.

[DPG21920]

Bibby is a realistic option I believe if the Mavs let Kidd walk. I just do not see the ability for a lot of PG trades, unless you are going to try and take a stab at a younger pg (Sessions, Kirk...) that is not a top tier pg and try and get by on making other moves.

[sribb43]

Bibby is a realistic option I believe if the Mavs let Kidd walk. I just do not see the ability for a lot of PG trades, unless you are going to try and take a stab at a younger pg (Sessions, Kirk...) that is not a top tier pg and try and get by on making other moves.

thats why resiging Kidd is so important. While he is 36yrs old, the drop off the mavs would have at the PG spot would be so damning that making the playoffs in the west would be extremely difficult

[stretch]

you generally need a top 2-3 record in your conference and a top 2-3 margin of victory tocompete for an NBA title

Mavs were 12 wins off and 5.5 points per game off those #'s this year

That is a very large gap

One that sure isn't filled by guys like Matt fucking Carroll, Shawn mutha fuckin Marion, Chris fucking Kaman, etc etc.

Does it really matter? Mavs and 90% of the league are pretty much fucked for the next decade or so, as guys like Lebron, Wade, CP3, D-Will, Dwight, Carmello, and KD are running around torching everyone.

[DPG21920]

I agree that Kidd is the best option (I started my lengthy review by saying so). There is just not a lot of pg available in trades unless you go young or mediocre.

The FA PG's are nothing to write home about, but they could make do if they are looking for strengths and ignoring weaknesses (meaning there are plenty of scoring pg's that might suck at defense...)

[Ghazi]

Does it really matter? Mavs and 90% of the league are pretty much fucked for the next decade or so, as guys like Lebron, Wade, CP3, D-Will, Dwight, Carmello, and KD are running around torching everyone.

Cp3 is stuck on shit roster next year

OKC is 2-4 years away

Carmelo is a backward fighting pussy

Cheat seem to be a few years away as well.

I don't like the Magic's future in 1-2 years. Rashard Lewis getting paid 23 million dollars in a few years? D Howard is too raw as well.

D-Will... hhmm, not sure

Lebron is the biggest obstacle right now.

That's why Mavs need to push all their chips in for the next 1-2 years while Dirk still has his brilliance.

I trust Big Daddy Cubes and Nellie will cook something good up this summer :smokin

It just wouldn't be fair for Dirk for relatively little roster overhaul to be made. We are Mavs fans, not Dirk fans, but Dirk's interests and the Mavs' interests go hand in hand: being contenders.

We endured a lot this year with our guys in blue.the 2-7 start, the close calls against the lottery teams, the embarassing blowout losses. etc etc.

The end of the season left a good taste in the mouth but we still want more. It pains me to see Dirk's brilliance wasted given what the guys went through in '06 and '07. Maybe Dirk cannot take our guys in blue to the promised land, not in this era where the 2nd greatest player of all time exists, but at the very least he deserves a roster that gives him a shot.

Good roster: Vince Carter, Gerald Wallace, Shaq :smokin

and resign kidd!

[Findog]

Where does the bad blood come from? A couple playoff face-offs? I doubt it. It's a dead rivalry that lasted for a couple years.


The Suns front office was never happy about the way we swiped Nash from them and he blossomed here...and Donnie was an assistant there before Nellie hired him away. I think there was also lingering bitterness about how the Finley-Kidd trade worked out for both franchises.

[Brickhouse]

Okay, I was previously able to tolerate you and your persistent ignorance just fine, but now you have seriously morphed into a fucking annoying dumbass. I know you are being a retard on purpose, but its gotten to a ridiculous point. I think most trolls are funny, but its not really funny when you used to be a somewhat reasonable and normal poster, and suddenly decide to be just like SpursDynasty, except failing miserably in the process.

Speaking of which, where has SpursDynasty been?

Eat dick Ghazi.


That's been Ghazi's MO all season. Bring up a player, like Wallace for example, and it's "Gerald fucking Wallace will not put this team over the top, injury prone, lateral move" blahblahIsuckDonnie'sdickblah.

[Ghazi]

I'm trying to be creative here.

Others are suggesting scrubs like Kaman and Matt Carroll. CUban to Dirk: My bad about giving you a mediocre roster in 08-09, I promise upgrades for next year. Dirk to Cuban: Oh yeah, who you got in mind? Cuban: Matt Carroll and Chris Kaman. Dirk: :cry :cry :cry

Cmon guys, Dirk deserves better than that.

Shaqtus/Carter/Wallace

[Brickhouse]

No more excuses this offseason.

No more "blame it all on Avery" bullshit
No more "full training camp with Kidd"
No more "our big 3 is as good as any"
No more "let's waste the MLE on Diop"

Most of the starters should not be back or starting next year.

[Findog]

:lmao

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/05/mavs-brass-believes-this-team-can-conten.html


The Mavs' top priority this off-season is to re-sign Jason Kidd. The powers that be at the AAC also want to bring back unrestricted free agent Brandon Bass.

"We like the major pieces that we have in place," president of basketball operations Donnie Nelson said. "We're going to look to add -- get a little bit more athletic, get some slashing from the right positions, always looking for shooting, low-post presence. I think those are all areas that we would like to upgrade or address in some form or fashion."

Coach Rick Carlisle said he believes the Mavs' core -- Dirk, Kidd, Josh Howard and Jason Terry -- is good enough to contend for a title. The mission for the Mavs' front office this summer is to put the right parts around their four stars.

"We've got to do everything possible to make a championship happen now," Carlisle said. "Dirk is in his prime. He's playing better than he's ever played, statistically and everything else. He has only one goal, and that goal is our goal."

[Ghazi]

Dude must be bullshitting. Carlisle's smarter than that and if he isn't, Dirk has got to be like GTFO.

Only way Mavs would be contenders with J-Ho and JET on team is if the expiring contracts brought back two difference makers that bump JET and Josh to the 5th and 6th best players on the team.

I dont mean to hate on those 2, but the holes in their game are too vast for them to be a reliable part of core!

Terry is an undersized jump shooter who isn't even that lethal from arc anymore!

Have to wonder about J-ho's durability now, and his vanishing acts / handles / bball IQ / etc

(Dirk/Kidd/2 difference makers/JET/Josh/etc etc)

[Findog]

bring back Kidd :tu

What else is there? I might go after Raymond Felton with the MLE. He's an unselfish, team-oriented guy, but also pretty mediocre as a pro. PG is a position that guys seem to be special right off the bat (CP3, Deron, Rose), or they take their time with growing pains before it all comes together (Billups, Parker, Devin, Rondo). It's possible Felton never pans out. But I think he's a guy who is worth taking a chance on. He's a hard worker, he's got his head screwed on straight, and there's probably a world of difference between the coaching and resources a shit franchise like Charlotte gave him for three years as opposed to what he would have available to develop him here in Dallas. In effect he'd be Aaron Rodgers. Bringing in Felton would make it necessary to shop JJB. I like JJB and I think he can be a good rotation piece, but he shouldn't be untouchable either.

bring back Bass :tu

No brainer. From what I understand, they might actually have to burn their MLE to keep him though. If that's what it takes, it would suck to not have that to upgrade the roster, but they can't let Bass go without getting something in return. I'd try to work out a s'n't if another team offered him crazy money.

Add some role players to the core :depressed :depressed :depressed

Terry's value will never be higher. They'll never get a better return for him than right now. Josh might be hard to move because of uncertainty over ankle surgery, but I would think he could pass a physical under the circumstances. Dampier and Stack should be attractive expirings. Upgrading over Dampier is the other top priority besides resigning Kidd. They picked up an option on Shawne Williams that should make him a piece that helps facilitate trades.

Bottom line:

The Spurs and Celtics both use the same formula: A Big Three, unselfish role players, a commitment to playing defense, an excellent coaching staff, as well as good chemistry/culture.

I like Dirk as a #1 option and Kidd as the #3 option. They need a new #2. I like Josh, he redeemed himself in my eyes with his battling on two bum wheels because his team needed him. In many ways he is an excellent complement to Dirk. They're both strong where the other is weak. But he's a guy that they should be shopping. Terry is one of my favorite all-time Mavs, and I think he's been a huge part of the culture here. But they should try to move him when he had a career-best year at the age of 31. They're not going to get that again from him. Damp/Stack/Josh/Jet should be able to yield that #2 option and maybe even a #4, so the Mavs can roll out a "Big Four."

We can only hope the Mavs brass is just simply tossing out this non-answer horseshit because they don't want to tip any hands.

[sribb43]

Dampier and Stack cannot be back next season...Terry and J-Ho are iffy bc the Mavs FO probably loves those guys so much that it would take an absolute steal for them to trade them

[Ghazi]

Celtics have a Big 4 now :)

Big 3's aren't good enough. It takes a big 4, or dare I say big 5 (see sig) to dethrone the King.

Can Bass be sign and traded?

That 09 draft pick is tradeable come draft night. si? I would not be opposed to trading it away in a deal.

Someone give me the answers I seek so I can waste more time on my drawing board.

[Findog]

This year's pick cannot be traded. You can't go consecutive years without a first-rounder.

[Ghazi]

Ah, wasn't sure if that restriction gets lifted on draft night or not.

Booo!

[Mel_13]

Ah, wasn't sure if that restriction gets lifted on draft night or not.

Booo!

they can trade the player right after the selection.

[Findog]

they can trade the player right after the selection.

Yeah, I guess that they could take somebody at another team's request.

[Ghazi]

Why did JET forget how to shoot 3's

Same w/ Dirk

[Brickhouse]

Dampier and Stack cannot be back next season...Terry and J-Ho are iffy bc the Mavs FO probably loves those guys so much that it would take an absolute steal for them to trade them

Is it about winning or about their favorite butt buddies? B/c only way the "core" is still intact is if Cuban and Donnie are seriously delusional and think that tweaking around the piss poor core is going to get anything done.

Terry's value will not be higher. Thank god for his 6th man award to overshadow his playoff failure this season.

JHo is injury prone and too erratic to be counted on. They should move him for a younger piece.

That's why I don't listen to the shit that comes from the FO. They are always blowing smoke up everyone's ass.

[Findog]

I'll copy and paste from my other post:


The Spurs and Celtics both use the same formula: A Big Three, unselfish role players, a commitment to playing defense, an excellent coaching staff, as well as good chemistry/culture.

Let's go through this blueprint and see how the Mavs stack up:

1) A Big Three. :depressed

Dirk is definitely a franchise player. By any objective measure, he remains a top ten player. Probably in that second five than the first five. A resigned Kidd would be adequate as a team's third piece, provided our fourth piece was just as good as Kidd. But I think ultimately Josh has failed in the role of a #2. I think he's too injury prone. I have renewed respect for him following the way he finished the season, but the Mavs should not be about loyalty, they should be about getting better. They shouldn't hesitate to move Howard for another All Star or as part of a package to land another superstar.

2) unselfish role players :depressed

I like Bass and JJB. Jet was our 6th man, but he was definitely one of our top three players for most of the season. I don't know of anybody else on our bench that has distinguished themselves. The Mavs could definitely use more front-court depth and athletic wing defenders types and shooters that can space the floor. We have to upgrade here too.

3) a commitment to playing defense :depressed

Ultimately the Mavs were at best a mediocre defensive team this year. They did some good things, and when Josh was healthy he made them a better on that end of the floor. Part of solving the defensive problems is better personnel through roster overhaul. The other area is going to have to be a serious commitment the way Boston plays defense, as well as the way Cleveland, Orlando, Houston and even Denver all play defense.

4) excellent coaching staff :tu for the most part

It took Carlisle a while to turn the playcalling over to Kidd. His substitution patterns were retarded at times. He alienated some of the players early on, and he's a prickly personality that will eventually get tuned out here in the next 2-3 years. But I thought he did a pretty good job this year of getting this guys to buy in and make a run at the end of the year. They played hard for him until the end and eventually bought into his program, even if it took a while.

5) good chemistry/culture :tu for the most part

There's been a lot of turmoil and heartache beginning with the Finals and running all the way through the 2-7 start to the season. It got so bad at certain points of the season that many people began advocating blowing it all up and start a rebuilding project. But it looks like they righted the ship somewhat in this area.

Bottom line:

They are no longer an elite team, but as one of 8 teams left standing, they're still pretty good. A lot closer to the penthouse than the cellar. The roster isn't good enough to win a title, but they're not that far in terms of potential upgrades to get back to the elite level.

[Rogue]

He may have in the past, but I'm sure after having been bounced around, he has realized by now, its not about him. And even if he thinks so, he has never been a guy to go forcing a bunch of stupid shots either. He has always been a pretty smart player. Not having to deal with Howard's bonehead plays every game would be a nice thing.
Marion may be a good fit for our team, but it's by no means a good deal for us to get him at the expense of Josh Howard, who is still a pretty worthful bait that may bring us much more than Marion, besides Marion isn't worth what Josh earns. Unless we can get Chris Bosh in exchange, in that scenario it would be Josh&filler for Bosh, plus another trade of Stack for Marion as a condition.

[Rogue]

Stack and Damp's expirings are obviously not enough to meet the demand of Suns, but a small addition of talent may very well make this deal done, probably that talent will be the rookie Donnie picks on the draft night, though I wouldn't be surprised if the Suns accepted JJB or Smokey.

Although Dallas is located pretty close to Phoenix, the teams of Mavs and Suns are seperated into two different devisions, the relation between Suns and us are not quite the same as those with our devision rivals in Rockets and Spurs, so the Suns won't reject an offer from us only if our offer can also improve THEM as well. Shaq's trade has already been proven a fail, after firing Porter and picking up run-and-gun, the Suns won't have so much demand for a huge presense in the paint. Josh Howard and JJB both can add more warmth to Suns than Shaq in a small ball system.

Anyway Shaq will definitely upgrade our team a lot, and Donnie has to make some active moves on that front, but the expirings of Stack and Damp are clearly not enough. Smokey&Damp or Stack&Damp&JJB, either of which will be a good deal for both teams.

[Lars]

Tear it apart. Plan to get back into contention once Lebron enters his decline.

[Rogue]

That's been Ghazi's MO all season. Bring up a player, like Wallace for example, and it's "Gerald fucking Wallace will not put this team over the top, injury prone, lateral move" blahblahIsuckDonnie'sdickblah.
Maybe some of Ghazi's proposals are a little bit unpractical, but no one can doute his love for the Mavs. His starting 5 isn't too far from real except for Vince Carter, out of whom the other 4 are almost around our hands, it just requires to re-sign Kidd and to trade Josh Howard for Gerald. Damp and Stack are bound to be shipped this summer, hopefully they will get us Shaq for the ideal speculation. Besides, I don't think Carter is a very big upgrade over JET.

[Rogue]

Tear it apart. Plan to get back into contention once Lebron enters his decline.
2nd round = 2nd round, best wishes for the Rockets though.

[Ghazi]

I agree Findog. Our Dirk is a top 6-8 player IMO. Was top 3 2-3 years ago but has somewhat slightly (slightly!) declined and new superstars have emerged.

the problem with that is that means theres 5-7 players better than him, and 3-4 of them have superior rosters. if you're the 2nd best player in a series, and your roster is inferior, and you don't have home court, that's a landmine that our beloved Dirk cannot overcome.

I do feel Dirk is better than Melo though, so this year was a case of being the best player on the court and simply having inferior supporting casts.

so for the Mavs to actually be championship contenders, Dirk needs A LOT of help to overcome the 5-7 superior players and 3-4 of whom have superior rosters. Not the Chris Kamans of this world, not the Mike Millers of this world, probably a player or two that is at least borderline all-NBA talent and then another star.

many title teams in the past have typically featured at the very least two borderline all-NBA caliber players. What Dirk did in 2006 was remarkable, as he was the only such player on the Mavs.

Josh Howard and JET don't even sniff an all-NBA team, that's why they're not adequate supporting cast.

when the mavs won it all in 06, they were. but that team was laden with scoring depth, dirk was at the absolute top of his game, and it was a downtime in the NBA..

times have changed. im not greedy fro a title at this point. I'd settle fr 2nd place. just being realistic, hard to win a title in an era featuring the 2nd greatest player of all time.

a t least we have 06 though.

[Ghazi]

ah yes, a comittment to playing defense.

its almost as if the mavs experienced a regression to the mean.

defensive efficiency prior to kidd trade 17th

after the ASB the mavs were playing good enough defense to vault into 8th as far as to efficiency. this is one of the reasons i still believe the mavs actually played well after the kidd trade last year, they were simply unlucky whether it was a close loss here or there, dirk missing 5 games, and J-Ho deciding to mail it in in February.

this year it was back to 17th. as the offensive efficiency rised as the year progressed, the defensive efficiency dipped. it was a give/take hence the mavs low margin of victory (point diff of 48 win team)

championship teams generally are top 4 in defensive efficiency. i expect that trend to be upheld this year when Cleveland wins it all.

but there are some examples of teams that win with offense assisted by good but not great defense (like 06 mavs). if 09 lakers win it all that would be another case of not needing the greatest D in the world if your O is that much of a juggernaut. i expect this is a route the mavs would have to take with Dirk as their best player. at the very least you must be a top 10 defensive team, and the offense must be top 2-3 to offset the fact that your defense isn't elite.

[Rogue]

Our defensive play is pretty much a business of the coaches rather than the players IMHO, Donnie has tried a variety of defenders like Buckner and Hassell, but those defensive patches have never got their places in our system. The Rockets have a pretty good defense, which can date from JVG's first year with the rockets. And their good defense is also relevant to the legacy of their former defensive assistant coach, who has been working for the Celtics since he left Houston in the summer of 07. So the awesome defense works of Celtics and Rockets are more from their training camp than the efforts of some individuals like Battier and Posey.

Avery Johnson raised defense to an unpresedented height in his administration on Mavs, and our defense did develop a lot. His emphase on defense finally paid off in the playoffs of 05-06 season, in which we demolished 4 opponents in a row and won the championship, which was the first one in the history of our team, and also the only one so far.

[sribb43]

This year's pick cannot be traded. You can't go consecutive years without a first-rounder.

true but the mavs can draft for someone else then trade the rights of that player in a deal

[Rogue]

Shaq's prime has already been out-raced half a decade by his age, but he still has some dusk light that can give us some warmth we need. The remainer of his warmth would only get wasted if the Suns insist to keep him for one more year, which is a considerable amount of time compared to the years he still has to play in NBA. Many other teams also have strong interest on Shaq, but most of them don't have so much assets to make this deal done.

For example, the Spurs are also crying for a good center to share some pressure in paint with Duncan, but they can only plan on Sheed who is much cheaper than Shaq. It would be ideal if we can get Shaq without losing any too much talent, we shouldn't hesitate for even one second if the Suns accepts the package of Stack&Damp&JJB, 3 or 4 seconds need to be spent thinking twice if they ask for Smokey&Damp. Anyway Donnie may as well make a trade in this summer to bring us a good center like Shaq, before he gets stolen to Cleverland by Cavs, who also have a couple expiring garbage contracts that can be used to negotiate with the Suns.

[Rogue]

This post is made only to keep this great thread afloat.

[monoslyab1k]

Hope Warriors get a top 4 pick, trade Dirk in a package for the #1/Randolph/some of their bad contracts

Draft Thabeet

Make a move for Ramon Sessions or Raymond Felton

Resign Gerald Green

Sessions/Felton
Gerald Green
Shawne Williams
Anthony Randolph
Thabeet

Face it, even if we do make good trades, all it means is 55 wins and a 2nd round exit. It's best to throw in the towel and come back again in 5 years, and that's a lineup that's competing for a title in 5 years.

[Rogue]

Hope Warriors get a top 4 pick, trade Dirk in a package for the #1/Randolph/some of their bad contracts

Draft Thabeet

Make a move for Ramon Sessions or Raymond Felton

Resign Gerald Green

Sessions/Felton
Gerald Green
Shawne Williams
Anthony Randolph
Thabeet

Face it, even if we do make good trades, all it means is 55 wins and a 2nd round exit. It's best to throw in the towel and come back again in 5 years, and that's a lineup that's competing for a title in 5 years.
Innovation is the biggest power to drive our society moving forward, but the disarster is always inevitable once it gets abused. Even though our team has been around a mortal caliber in recent years, we still hold the core rosters that gained the championship in 06. Devin Harris is the only pivatol guy we lost since our champion run in 2006, but Jason Kidd can only be considered an upgrade over Devin, though Jason is older than Devin by many years.

The fact of the matter is, we do not have any power in paint that can make our team competitive in the post season. Defense always turn tougher and much more physical when the post season comes, which makes it more difficult for shooters to glean points, also gains more importance to the existance of a decent center in the paint. On the defensive end, Dampier is still worth being considered passive, but he can hardly be considered any more than a crap on the other end of the floor.

If Donnie gets smart for a couple of days in the summer, and take these smart days to make some moves that can infuse something we need into our squad, like Shaq, then the next 2-3 seasons will still be bright for our boys in blue.

--- MR

[Rogue]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=plluw7

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=r9qlab

[Indazone]

http://www.kfcchickenrecipe.com/images/kfc_chicken_recipe.jpg

Colonel Sanders prepared just for Rogue

[Rogue]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=oczk7n

Dampier&Caroll&Wright ---> Clippers
Mavs <-------------- Zach Randolph



Josh Howard ----------------> Lakers
Bynum&Walton&Josh Powell ---> Mavs

[Rogue]

The Lakers get an upgrade at their SF, while we get a decent center even though he is not very consistent, due to his injuries. If the Lakers got beaten in finals by Cavs, say if they let the championship slip from their hands again, they would also consider making some changes. The inconsistent Bynum would be the first one to be shopped, and the Lakers can get the best bargain from Mavs over any other potential buyer, as the Mavs are in urgent need for a center. If we failed in plan A of landing Shaq, then Bynum would be a good choice for plan B. The trade with Clippers has no other purpose except dumping our salary to realize the one with Lakers.

[Rogue]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=p9hgdo

Considering the bad performances in this season, it is already not a practical mission for the Raptors to retain Bosh after the summer of 10. Rather than losing him without anything back, trading him for the most possible benefit is certainly a better choice for Raptors.

From Carter to T-Mac, the Raptors have never built any pure love for this team in the minds of their franchise players, who are always sheared away by other teams once their contracts expire in Toronto. Just to leave the Raptors starting to rebuild, to go on with such a circle indeed.

So there's no wonder Chris Bosh has become a target to many teams, while there is still not any rumor around any other star-level player whose contract also expires in the summer of 10.

Although the Raptors made the playoffs a couple of times in the past seasons, they were just vistors rather than contenders in the platforms of playoffs. To the Raptors who have no hope in recent seasons, Josh Howard is more likely to be considered an expiring contract than an infusion of talent, but JJB is surely a terrific talent that can be taken into their long term plan.

[Ghazi]

Hollinger's projections puzzle me sometimes. A team w/ Bosh/Dirk on it would NOT go 41-41. IMO at least.

[Ghazi]

Xti-6xB9hPg

[Rogue]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=p4dc6c

[dallaskd]

I'm counting on at least 7 players leaving. I don't see us getting any signifigant player unless Howard+expiring contacts have any trade value. The draft isnt really worth moving up in either.

[Ghazi]

Why can't some mediocre teams just do us a favor and let us absorb all their shit contracts.

Philly? Iggy is good, but not a franchise player. Elton Brand signing was a BIG time mistake. Let Cuban take on those contracts and give you a brand new slate. You got some nice young talent anyway w/ Williams and Young/Speights. Get real, no team whose best player is Iggy is gonna do shit. And no team who is paying Elton "cancer" Brand until 2013 is gonna do shit either.

Charlotte? Where the fuck do you think you're going? Wallace getting paid until 2013? Okafor getting paid until 2014? They're good players, but are they foundations of a team that can challenge the motherfucking King in his prime? Hell to the fuck no. Let us save you some salary, and maybe you can come back in 5 years when Lebron's athleticism has declined.

Give one or the other the 2009 #1 if you fucking have to.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=rdtu32

Unfortunately, this requires two things.

1. Cuban deciding to open the fuck outta his wallet.
2. Mediocre teams being smart and realizing that they're not gonna do shit, might as well cut your losses and start a new rebuilding cycle.

[Rogue]

Why can't some mediocre teams just do us a favor and let us absorb all their shit contracts.

Philly? Iggy is good, but not a franchise player. Elton Brand signing was a BIG time mistake. Let Cuban take on those contracts and give you a brand new slate. You got some nice young talent anyway w/ Williams and Young/Speights. Get real, no team whose best player is Iggy is gonna do shit. And no team who is paying Elton "cancer" Brand until 2013 is gonna do shit either.

Charlotte? Where the fuck do you think you're going? Wallace getting paid until 2013? Okafor getting paid until 2014? They're good players, but are they foundations of a team that can challenge the motherfucking King in his prime? Hell to the fuck no. Let us save you some salary, and maybe you can come back in 5 years when Lebron's athleticism has declined.

Give one or the other the 2009 #1 if you fucking have to.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=rdtu32

Unfortunately, this requires two things.

1. Cuban deciding to open the fuck outta his wallet.
2. Mediocre teams being smart and realizing that they're not gonna do shit, might as well cut your losses and start a new rebuilding cycle.
That's why Pop got pissed of by Gasol's trade, or the robery of Gasol. The fact of the matter is, even though two teams reach an agreement on a trade, and the trade doesn't have anything against the rules, it still might get aborted by the offcials if it is an excessive detinue, like the Gasol one.

[Rogue]

While this trade seems a little bit feasible, and very acceptable to both teams.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ooeqzu

[Rogue]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qjel7h

Then we will need a someone to replace Josh Howard as the starting SF in blue, Prince is surely an ideal fit for our team. Maybe Prince cannot give so much fire in offense as Josh did, but his skills and attitude in defense are a rain in drought for our boys in blue.

[Rogue]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=p669m4

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=obv7vx

[Basketballgirl25]

Ok, I've read online some Mav fans want Bosh. I can understand why he is good, but I think him and Dirk pretty much play the same type of game, so I don't understand why you would want him

[sribb43]

Ok, I've read online some Mav fans want Bosh. I can understand why he is good, but I think him and Dirk pretty much play the same type of game, so I don't understand why you would want him

I dont...Dirk and Bosh operate off the same space on the floor. I'd even say that Dirk is more of a post player than Bosh. Also a front line of Dirk and Bosh would be much worse than a front line of Damp and Dirk....We dont need another PF..SG and C need to be the top priorities

[Basketballgirl25]

I dont...Dirk and Bosh operate off the same space on the floor. I'd even say that Dirk is more of a post player than Bosh. Also a front line of Dirk and Bosh would be much worse than a front line of Damp and Dirk....We dont need another PF..SG and C need to be the top priorities

I only reason I can see why Mavs fans want Bosh is he is good other then that don't see how it would help the mavs. They need other things

[Holmes_Fans]

Why can't some mediocre teams just do us a favor and let us absorb all their shit contracts.

Philly? Iggy is good, but not a franchise player. Elton Brand signing was a BIG time mistake. Let Cuban take on those contracts and give you a brand new slate. You got some nice young talent anyway w/ Williams and Young/Speights. Get real, no team whose best player is Iggy is gonna do shit. And no team who is paying Elton "cancer" Brand until 2013 is gonna do shit either.

Charlotte? Where the fuck do you think you're going? Wallace getting paid until 2013? Okafor getting paid until 2014? They're good players, but are they foundations of a team that can challenge the motherfucking King in his prime? Hell to the fuck no. Let us save you some salary, and maybe you can come back in 5 years when Lebron's athleticism has declined.

Give one or the other the 2009 #1 if you fucking have to.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=rdtu32

Unfortunately, this requires two things.

1. Cuban deciding to open the fuck outta his wallet.
2. Mediocre teams being smart and realizing that they're not gonna do shit, might as well cut your losses and start a new rebuilding cycle.
This is a genius trade

[monosylab1k]

OK fellas, I've found a way to save the Mavericks.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5076407

We take on their headache (Maggette) and get a future star out of it. They get a guy who fits in very well with their system (Josh) and also they get Shawne Muthafuckin' Williams.

THEN....

We trade Stack's expiring + s&t DickBreath, Hollins, & Bass to 1 year deals, in order to match salaries and get Tyson Chandler & James Posey in return from New Orleans.

Re-sign Kidd.

so we have as starters

Kidd
Maggette
Posey
Dirk
Chandler

and our bench

JET
Randolph
Barea
Wright
Green
Vagina Dampier
Carroll

you're welcome, Mavs fans.

monosylab1k for GM.

[Rogue]

OK fellas, I've found a way to save the Mavericks.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5076407

We take on their headache (Maggette) and get a future star out of it. They get a guy who fits in very well with their system (Josh) and also they get Shawne Muthafuckin' Williams.

THEN....

We trade Stack's expiring + s&t DickBreath, Hollins, & Bass to 1 year deals, in order to match salaries and get Tyson Chandler & James Posey in return from New Orleans.

Re-sign Kidd.

so we have as starters

Kidd
Maggette
Posey
Dirk
Chandler

and our bench

JET
Randolph
Barea
Wright
Green
Vagina Dampier
Carroll

you're welcome, Mavs fans.

monosylab1k for GM.

The trade with Hornets is pretty feasible, and it will be a big upgrade for our team. Posey delivers us a tough defensive patch at F/G, which is just what we have been lacking in. Chandler's athleticism can also make him a big contributor on the offensive end, as the executor of alley-oops launched by Jason Kidd. Jason Kidd is more of a mastro in making alley-oops than CP who was just a mid-schooler when Kidd started his career in NBA. Surely, Chandler is also an upgrade in defense over Dampier, Dampier is pretty passive defensively though.


But I doute the Warriors will trade us A Randolph, as this guy is that good. Besides, Randolph is a young piece of talent with big potential, which is very needed to the Warriors who are on recounstruction. The only reason for Warriors to make this deal is just the release of Maggette's contract, Somkey doesn't count a bit more in this trade than Stack's expiring does. Monta Ellis has more possibility to be acquired though, as the Warriors are already pissed of this guy for cheating about his injury. For that, we would have to throw Dampier into this trade, even though we may get even more than Ellis from Dampier's expiring in this summer.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=p6hurv

Turiaf will be an ideal back up for Chandler.

[Ghazi]

James fucking Posey?

Corey fucking Maggette?

Are we trying to win a title here or go 44-38 and miss the playoffs?

[sribb43]

The hell with Maggette

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ojjmf5

acquiring S-Jax gives you a legit SG/SF that can guard multiple positions as well as handle the ball and make plays for other, something J-Ho cant do. Turiaf is a huge upgrade at backup center.

Mavs still have the expiring contracts of Damp and J-Ho to make other moves

edit...Nevermind I didnt realize Jax was already 31 and has 4 more years left on his deal

[Shank]

The hell with Maggette

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ojjmf5

acquiring S-Jax gives you a legit SG/SF that can guard multiple positions as well as handle the ball and make plays for other, something J-Ho cant do. Turiaf is a huge upgrade at backup center.

Mavs still have the expiring contracts of Damp and J-Ho to make other moves

edit...Nevermind I didnt realize Jax was already 31 and has 4 more years left on his deal

31 or not, you take Captain Jack in Dallas in a heartbeat.

[Ghazi]

Bring in Iggy and promise to eat Brand's contract!!

[Rogue]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=q6tmen

[Rogue]

Then we will have an unbeatable squad as Shaq/Dirk/Prince/Rip/Kidd, with Barbosa playing as our sixth man. Fill the rest of our squad with players signed with MLE/Minimum, and Brandon Bass on whom the full MLE is about to be spent.

Shaq is no longer a useful piece for the Suns as they have decided to pick up their run-gun, while Josh Howard is more efficient in such a system. Nash is in his contract year and the Suns clearly know they can't prevent this veteran from walking elsewhere once he can, so it may be the best choice to trade him while he is still in contract.

Pistons are urgent to dump their salary, obviously they want to make some big shots in the summer of 10, I don't think they can trap some big fish though. What they may catch are just small shrimps and crabs, considering the limping auto industry.

[endrity]

What's this I hear about a Baron Davis trade?

[sribb43]

What's this I hear about a Baron Davis trade?

Nothing....its just people in the media suggesting the Clips would be a great partner for the mavs if they want to trade

[monosylab1k]

TcYwnmJpNb0

[Ghazi]

Wake me up if we get Bosh or Iggy (or both!)

I'm losing interest in Shaq, and the scrubs of this league like Kaman don't excite me much either.

[Rogue]

Wake me up if we get Bosh or Iggy (or both!)

I'm losing interest in Shaq, and the scrubs of this league like Kaman don't excite me much either.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=oat72g