Official Scola Thread

[tlongII]

Would they have 5 or 6 championships now?

[DAF86]

Had the Blazers gone past the first round if Oden wasn't a bust?

[Twisted_Dawg]

Game 6....HOU vs LA:

At the end of 1st QT: Scola 14 pts 7 rebs 2 assists
Inside/outside game & rugged defense

And to think R.C. Bufford said he would not be compatiable playing with Tim. Utter bullshit.

Bufford should be fired tonight for letting Scola slip away and the one man responsible for us not drafting Josh Howard.

[lefty]

Would Spurstalk be less annoying if Tlong was never born ?

[timtonymanu]

If Scola wasnt on the Rockets, would the Blazers have beaten them?

[lessthannick11]

If Michael Jordan was born in 1983, and selected by the bulls, but then traded to the spurs, would we have beaten Dallas this year?

[manu_maniac]

What if we had Kidd, would we have 5, 6, 1 rings? What if the Cs had Duncan? What if we had Lebron? What if there was a point to this thread?

[Taking it to the Hole]

How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Pop??? The world will never know....:rolleyes

[manu_maniac]

Enough, Scola is a Rocket. Howard is going to have surgery. I've never liked donkey face anyway.

[peskypesky]

i think the Spurs would be better with Scola, but I'm clearly not qualified to be one of those highly-paid experts in the Spurs FO. They know better.

[jason1301]

working...taking a break... checks the Lakers game.... SCOLA THREAD.

[peskypesky]

Battier's having a great game too.

[peskypesky]

Scola scores again!

[itzsoweezee]

by the way, Fuck the Spurs front office and ownership. Fucking morons.

[picnroll]

Scola sucks, way overrated.

Signed whottt

[NewJerSpur]

Scola scores again!

Scola cleared space with his off arm to get away from Pao....no call.

[spursfaninla]

scola thread!

blazers finished below the spurs, and lost in the first round. how are them apples?

[timtonymanu]

What do you get when you cross an owl with a bungee cord?

[timtonymanu]

Enough Scola threads! Salmons was the bigger letdown.

[Obstructed_View]

If Michael Jordan was born in 1983, and bypassed by the Blazers to go to the Bulls, but then traded to the spurs, would we have beaten Dallas this year?

fify

[TheProfessor]

Eh, what's done is done. Very happy for him though, no one works harder.

[TheProfessor]

Would they have 5 or 6 championships now?
Is this what you're reduced to now that the Blazers have peaked? :lol

[Hemotivo]

Scola cleared space with his off arm to get away from Pao....no call.

yep, that's a foul in the second half

[lefty]

Timvp is very frustrated right now

[DPG21920]

Why do yall respond to this? Just let it go.

[DAF86]

Enough Scola threads! Salmons was the bigger letdown.

No fucking way.

[lefty]

Is this what you're reduced to now that the Blazers have peaked? :lol
Define "peaked"

[stxspurs]

what if this thread never existed???

[SouthTexasRancher]

Would they have 5 or 6 championships now?


Most definitely if Manu & Tim weren't injured. A healthy Tim, Manu, Tony and company and add Scola into the mix and we'd have 6 or 7 NBA Championships.

And if Santa Claus had a AA Fuel sleigh, he'd get the job done by midnight each Christmas Eve. I know his Reindeer would be happier. That whip must sting.

And if Mrs. Claus had the body of a Playboy Centerfold Santa might not even go out on his annual trip around the world. Lots of little kids would sure be disappointed....but, ol' Santa would have a big smile on his face!

[SpursPreacher]

Does this question ever die.

[SouthTexasRancher]

Yes, yes he is. Pretty damn good half.

[Mel_13]

Funny that the Big Baby thread didn't get bumped tonight after his 6pt 2 reb performance.

So lets see, for the teams still alive we can expect threads anytime one of the following players has a good game

Houston- Scola..nuff said

Lakers- Ariza...Spurs took Sanikidze one pick ahead of him

Magic- Hedo...Spurs didn't keep him

Nuggs- JR Smith...paperwork didn't get to league office in time to complete trade

Boston- Big Baby...Spurs take Marcus Williams two picks ahead of him (no need to mention that Boston selected Gabe Pruitt three picks ahead of him)

Maybe we could just sticky threads dedicated to those players to the top of the forum until their respective team is eliminated.

Oh, almost forgot...

Cleveland- You know, I can't come up with any Cav that would be a Spur if we only had a FO that was collectively smarter than a band of baboons.


GO CAVS GO

[TheProfessor]

Define "peaked"
As in, good luck keeping their young nucleus together and getting anything about of their number one pick.

[lefty]

As in, good luck keeping their young nucleus together and getting anything about of their number one pick.
I agree

[SouthTexasRancher]

Eh, what's done is done. Very happy for him though, no one works harder.


Manu works that hard, if not harder, when he isn't injured. (Tony too) It's easy to see why Argentina has been at the top of world basketball the past decade. Hopefully Manu returns at full strength with no after-effects on his ankles.

[Chief]

i'd hit it

with a stick

[DAF86]

Funny that the Big Baby thread didn't get bumped tonight after his 6pt 2 reb performance.

So lets see, for the teams still alive we can expect threads anytime one of the following players has a good game

Houston- Scola..nuff said

Lakers- Ariza...Spurs took Sanikidze one pick ahead of him

Magic- Hedo...Spurs didn't keep him

Nuggs- JR Smith...paperwork didn't get to league office in time to complete trade

Boston- Big Baby...Spurs take Marcus Williams two picks ahead of him (no need to mention that Boston selected Gabe Pruitt three picks ahead of him)

Maybe we could just sticky threads dedicated to those players to the top of the forum until their respective team is eliminated.

Oh, almost forgot...

Cleveland- You know, I can't come up with any Cav that would be a Spur if we only had a FO that was collectively smarter than a band of baboons.


GO CAVS GO

Scola's case isn't anything like the others, everybody already knew that Scola was pretty good before the Spurs trade him. You couldn't posibly think that Glen Davis was going to become the player he is right now, to name one of the cases you mentioned.

[SouthTexasRancher]

Does this question ever die.


Apparently not. Maybe you could incorporate it into this Sunday's sermon to the team. Give em lots of Hallelujah's and Amen's when you pass the plate!!!

[ducks]

Game 6....HOU vs LA:

At the end of 1st QT: Scola 14 pts 7 rebs 2 assists
Inside/outside game & rugged defense

And to think R.C. Bufford said he would not be compatiable playing with Tim. Utter bullshit.

Bufford should be fired tonight for letting Scola slip away and the one man responsible for us not drafting Josh Howard.

scola has not proven he could

good thing rc told him to work on rebounding to

[ducks]

scola is so good
rockets got the 5 seed
enough said
if he was good as spurs fans think
rockets should have got the 3 seed or higher

[Mel_13]

Scola's case isn't anything like the others, everybody already knew that Scola was pretty good before the Spurs trade him. You couldn't posibly think that Glen Davis was going to become the player he is right now, to name one of the cases you mentioned.

I didn't use any emoticons, but I thought the sarcasm was obvious

[ducks]

Game 6....HOU vs LA:

At the end of 1st QT: Scola 14 pts 7 rebs 2 assists
Inside/outside game & rugged defense

And to think R.C. Bufford said he would not be compatiable playing with Tim. Utter bullshit.

Bufford should be fired tonight for letting Scola slip away and the one man responsible for us not drafting Josh Howard.

one quarter man
kind of like josh howard
that spur fans overrate

[Spurs16212]

All these "what-ifs"..... Look at the reality, San Antonio has four championships in the past ten years. They did that without Scola... I do not see any rings on Scola's fingers... Whats done is done, I think we have a bright spot with Ian Mahimni if he gets healthy and the Spurs have to continue to build around the Big 3.

Lets just amus the fact if Scola did play with San Antonio... It may have made some of a difference but with no Ginobili I doubt we get past Denver in the second round but then the "what-if" factor comes in.... What would their record have been and what seed would they have been..... There are so many "what-ifs"

We got ousted in the first round, there is nothing to be ashamed of, Dallas' bench just outplayed our bench and it clearly looked like Dallas wanted it more than our Spurs. The Spurs all season lacked a killer instinct. But then again, "what-if" they had a killer instinct, how far would they have gone? Who knows with all these "what-ifs"

[E20]

check it out

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126291

[ducks]

attention whore

[Hemotivo]

:reading

[Sense]

fail

[Johnny RIngo]

Look at the reality, San Antonio has four championships in the past ten years. They did that without Scola... I do not see any rings on Scola's fingers

Uh, Scola's only been in the league two seasons and the Spurs haven't done jack shit in those two years. Scola would have been VERY useful but I guess the FO/Pop prefers to have 3 point chuckers like Bonner on the team.

[ducks]

spur fans are making want lakers to win and make scola fisherman
let the birdman kick the lakers out

[DAF86]

You made me lol.

[Capt Bringdown]

He'd probably end up in Pop's doghouse for some reason, get benched and have his rhythm and confidence destroyed.

[manufan10]

lol Sam Bowie

[TheProfessor]

:lol

[Spurs16212]

Uh, Scola's only been in the league two seasons and the Spurs haven't done jack shit in those two years. Scola would have been VERY useful but I guess the FO/Pop prefers to have 3 point chuckers like Bonner on the team.


Lets see.... Conference Finals 2007-2008, Ginobili is not 100% and lose to the Lakers.... 2008-2009, Ginobili is out for the playoffs

Scola would have been productive but would not have been the difference maker. What have the Rockets won since Scola has been there other than getting out of the first round for the first time in years.

Do you literally think that he is the difference maker in the Lakers series? How do you explain the swing in point differential between game five and six? This league is all money driven...

[DAF86]

Lets see.... Conference Finals 2007-2008, Ginobili is not 100% and lose to the Lakers.... 2008-2009, Ginobili is out for the playoffs

Scola would have been productive but would not have been the difference maker. What have the Rockets won since Scola has been there other than getting out of the first round for the first time in years.

Do you literally think that he is the difference maker in the Lakers series? How do you explain the swing in point differential between game five and six? This league is all money driven...

We may had a shot against LA in 2008 with Scola.

[Spurs16212]

We may had a shot against LA in 2008 with Scola.

I doubt it.... The NBA got what it wanted in a Boston-LA finals........

Its all money driven.......

We just may have a LA-Cleveland Finals this year. Kobe-Lebron..... Its all too obvious.

[Dingle Barry]

I doubt it.... The NBA got what it wanted in a Boston-LA finals........

Its all money driven.......

We just may have a LA-Cleveland Finals this year. Kobe-Lebron..... Its all too obvious.

We don't need soft players that can't rebound like Luis Scola.

[Spurs16212]

We don't need soft players that can't rebound like Luis Scola.

I agree with you there.... We need solid players that can rebound and that will be agressive on both the offensive and defensive ends. I agree that the Spurs deferred to outside shooting and in the end it bit them in the a**. Popovich made some mistakes in rotations, no doubt.... The Spurs were never right as far as health is concern. They need to take the summer and rest, get healthy, reflect, and make the proper adjustments needed and make a run in the 2009-2010. But understand this, the NBA will try to do everything they can to get the more marketable teams in the end when it comes down to the playoffs.

[E20]

spur fans are making want lakers to win and make scola fisherman
let the birdman kick the lakers out
ducks bro, just admit the cold hard facts

argentina is better than france in basketball.
spurs were completely absouletey wrong about scola
trading scola made pop wanna spit
spur fans who supported the front office and wanted to show """loyalty""" (lol) were wrong.
sure making a thread whining about scola for the 5616156165165164165165165165 to the infinite time will do nohting, but i love it because some spur fans well get butt hurt

[ducks]

spurs picked scola
they were not wrong about scola
scola refused to play ball with spurs
move on

[DAF86]

spurs picked scola
they were not wrong about scola
scola refused to play ball with spurs
move on

That's a big fat lie, Scola was thrilled as hell knowing the he was going to play for the best team in the league alongside Manu and Oberto, he was crushed when the Spurs traded him.

[BWS-1994]

Enough Scola threads! Salmons was the bigger letdown.


No fucking way.

:tu

Salmons trade for Speedy Claxton = 2003 NBA Champs :lobt:

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Okay, Okay. I will finally eat crow and admit it. I wish we had Scola. There. I said it.

[wireonfire]

Okay, Okay. I will finally eat crow and admit it. I wish we had Scola. There. I said it.

Now it is whott's turn. :lol

[DAF86]

Seriously... this thread is redundant.

[Mel_13]

couldn't post this little bit of wisdom in one of the three Scola threads that are virtually stickied to the top of the forum?

[peskypesky]

Seriously... this thread is redundant.

seriously, IMO, this question cannot be asked enough. cause i've never heard an answer that made ANY fucking sense.

[ducks]

thats gotta be the biggest mistake the our front office has ever made

josh howard

[SpursPreacher]

Dear god for all that is holy let it end,strike them down lord please.

[spurs opsman]

The Cowboys probably would have won a playoff game somehow!

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

I don't know how Spurs fan can rationalize this bullshit.

It's too obvious. He'd be able to take pressure off the big three, and be another spark off the bench to cure those Spurs 3rd quarter slumps, since we'd have not just one, but two intense players to energize the scrubs.



It was a boneheaded mistake through and through, and to quote Reverend Wright, SPURS CHICKENSSSS .... are coming hommmee... To ROOST!


He'd probably end up in Pop's doghouse for some reason, get benched and have his rhythm and confidence destroyed.
Nah, I bet Scola would get the Finley, Manu treatment before getting the George Hill treatment.
Pop would feel pride in his little argentinean pipeline. Pop admires guts and intensity.


Anyway, Hopefully we've paid the price with two championshipless years and we get a good offseason this year because Timmy wants to win one every year. So fuck the people who are pretending to be satisfied already. Timmy is a once in generation player!

[ducks]

scola would play 20 minutes max on the
spurs unless duncan was out

[ducks]

That's a big fat lie, Scola was thrilled as hell knowing the he was going to play for the best team in the league alongside Manu and Oberto, he was crushed when the Spurs traded him.

LINK

manu was crushed but he knew it was better
because scola would get playing time

[SequSpur]

I want to know.. I want their email address... I also want email addresses of all of the local media here in SA.

Does Don Harris, Greg Simmons, Buck Harvey, Chris Duel or anyone other media types have the balls to call the Spurs Front office out?

I fucking doubt it.

[SequSpur]

This dude can fucking play.... not to mention Hedo? Carter? Didn't they have a chance to get Ron Artest?

Outside of Tim, Tony and half ass Manu, this team is a total fuck up of all proportions.

[ss1986v2]

scola thread!

[SequSpur]

Call em out? Why? B/c they don't win it all every year? They've won 4 rings in 10 years...what more do you want?

Spurs are fucking lottery bound. That's what you got.

[manufan10]

What if Portland drafted Michael Jordan? How many championships would they have won? 6,7,8?

lol Sam Bowie

[Spur-Addict]

That's right Sequ, off with their fucking heads.

:lol

[SequSpur]

Ducks, your takes are worse than fuckin Dr. Seuss on fuckin crack...

dumb fuck.

[Mel_13]

Five Scola threads on the first page and counting. Well, seven if you count the two Splitter threads that will become Scola threads if they haven't already.

[BackHome]

My conversation with my friend from Houston:

Dude, freakin Scola is the man......Did you guys know he was this good?

"Yes we did"

Dude, why the fuck did you guys want to trade this guy he is ausome!

"Yes, he is good"

Your all fucking stupid for doing that trade but thanks we sure appreciate it!

"Your Welcome"

Hey, what did you guys get in the trade?

"Click - Hung up on him"

[DAF86]

Ducks, your takes are worse than fuckin Dr. Seuss on fuckin crack...

dumb fuck.

:lmao

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Whottt will "educate" us all on how Bonner is superior to Scola:rolleyes And some fans still argue Splitter "is better than Scola" :lmao

[Mel_13]

Would they have 5 or 6 championships now?

Don't know, but I do know that Saturday will mark the ninth anniversary of the most recent Blazer playoff series victory.

[Hemotivo]

My conversation with my friend from Houston:

Dude, freakin Scola is the man......Did you guys know he was this good?

"Yes we did"

Dude, why the fuck did you guys want to trade this guy he is ausome!

"Yes, he is good"

Your all fucking stupid for doing that trade but thanks we sure appreciate it!

"Your Welcome"

Hey, what did you guys get in the trade?

"Click - Hung up on him"

:lol

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

scola would play 20 minutes max on the
spurs unless duncan was out

Scola would get Bonner's minutes this year. Which was around 30 FRICKIN Minutes.




My conversation with my friend from Houston:

Dude, freakin Scola is the man......Did you guys know he was this good?

"Yes we did"

Dude, why the fuck did you guys want to trade this guy he is ausome!

"Yes, he is good"

Your all fucking stupid for doing that trade but thanks we sure appreciate it!

"Your Welcome"

Hey, what did you guys get in the trade?

"Click - Hung up on him"
:lol....the story of our lives....:depressed

[whottt]

Congrats on the win Rockets Fans. With the way you guys disappeared after the 40 point loss I wasn't sure if ya'll would ever post again. Shoulda known that disappearance wasn't anything a win couldn't fix. Props for showing up after the win :tu


And I gotta admit, Scola was awesome closing out this game :tu

[Indazone]

Wow..is this the Whottt we all know? It can't be! I think this is the first time I've ever seen props from Whottt for Scola. The alien bodysnatchers came an transferred their conciousness into him. :lol

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

http://i43.tinypic.com/11cbgp4.jpg

:lol @ Lamar Odom & Lakers soft front line

[Indazone]

http://i43.tinypic.com/11cbgp4.jpg

:lol @ Lamar Odom & Lakers soft front line

Hakeem Dreamshake :tu

[E20]

Wow..is this the Whottt we all know? It can't be! I think this is the first time I've ever seen props from Whottt for Scola. The alien bodysnatchers came an transferred their conciousness into him. :lol

Whottt's being sarcastic to the 199999th degree. Scola didn't play at the end of the game, so now he's attempting to bag on Scola because Adelman didn't play him that much near the end. But it doesn't matter because whottt knows his stance on Scola is 100% wrong. Also his first comment was an insult to Rocket fans. lol

[noob cake]

Congrats on the win Rockets Fans. With the way you guys disappeared after the 40 point loss I wasn't sure if ya'll would ever post again. Shoulda known that disappearance wasn't anything a win couldn't fix. Props for showing up after the win :tu


And I gotta admit, Scola was awesome closing out this game :tu

Stubborn mule just failed at sarcasm. I doubt that whottt will ever accept the truth.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Stubborn mule just failed at sarcasm. I doubt that whottt will ever accept the truth.

Actually I love how he's able to wind up a lot of people every time he mentiones anything about Scola. People instantly jump to defend Scola, which is totally unnecessary and look so insecure it's funny. I'm sure he enjoys how his absurd accusations are being discussed in length and people trying to find cases to defend Scola, when there's absolutely no need to.

[hitmanyr2k]

http://i43.tinypic.com/11cbgp4.jpg

:lol @ Lamar Odom & Lakers soft front line

I was begging Tim Duncan to do those kind of post moves all year long.

[1Parker1]

I've never participated in a Scola thread before, but after watching last night's game...just WOW.

A lot has changed in Houston the past few seasons, but a big reason for their resurgence, amongst other things, is the new brand of toughness and scoring and defense Scola has brought for them. With all of Yao's injuries every season, I doubt the Rockets would be able to stay afloat without Scola. He's doing everything out there, he's like a combo of Ginobili and Oberto in the post. :pctoss

[WalterBenitez]

Enough, Scola is a Rocket. Howard is going to have surgery. I've never liked donkey face anyway.

Yeah, enough but still hurts, can we run for him + Barbosa this summer???

[picnroll]

I'm looking forward to some day when Ludden finally writes how the Scola screw up came about and who, what idiot in the front office or the owner, is responsible.

[Homeland Security]

i'm looking forward to some day when ludden finally writes how the scola screw up came about and who, what idiot in the front office or the owner, is responsible.
r.c.

[hater]

goddam Scola is a baddass. He is owning the Lakers front line all on his own.

[Indazone]

Wasn't Scola the Center for the Argentine National Team and Oberto backing him up? So actually losing Yao means that the Rockets put Scola at his natural position.

[hater]

wrong. Scola was PF

[Mel_13]

Wasn't Scola the Center for the Argentine National Team and Oberto backing him up? So actually losing Yao means that the Rockets put Scola at his natural position.

they both started

C Oberto
PF Scola

[urunobili]

http://www.ole.clarin.com/diario/2009/05/15/basquet/thumb/scolasix.jpg

[Indazone]

Damn! In that case Scola is playing huge! Way over his head against the 7 foot bigs of LA.

[smeagol]

Ducks, your takes are worse than fuckin Dr. Seuss on fuckin crack...

dumb fuck.

This is one of those rare moments I agree with the little one . . .

[duncan228]

From Cleveland.com (http://blog.cleveland.com/cavshq/2009/05/nba_thoughts_friday_may_15th.html):

- Luis Scola had 14 points in the first quarter on his way to 24 points and 12 rebounds in the Rockets' big win over the Lakers Thursday night. This is great for Scola, but also slightly annoying because Scola should absolutely be a Cavalier. Scola was supposedly on Danny Ferry's radar (http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2009/03/nba_insider_going_way_beyond_t.html) two years ago when he was traded from the San Antonio Spurs to the Rockets for Vassilis Spanoulis and a second-round pick. Given that the Spurs and Rockets are in the same division, you have to think that the Spurs would have preferred to take a similar package from an Eastern Conference team if one was on the table. For whatever reason, the Cavs weren't able to put that package together (is there are a similar package to one that involves Vassilis Spanoulis?), and Scola is helping the Rockets give the Lakers fits rather than playing with LeBron James. There are plenty of deals that could have happened but didn't, but failing to acquire Scola has been near the top of my list of disappointments for two and a half years. And I'm sure that Danny Ferry isn't the only GM that regrets not sweetening his deal to bring in Scola.

[Johnny RIngo]

Lets see.... Conference Finals 2007-2008, Ginobili is not 100% and lose to the Lakers.... 2008-2009, Ginobili is out for the playoffs

Duncan was fatigued in the WCF. Scola would have taken a lot of pressure of off Duncan vs the combos of Shaq/Amare and West/Chandler and provided the necesary help up front against Lakers bigs.


Scola would have been productive but would not have been the difference maker.

Scola's better than anyone on the Spurs outside of the big 3.


What have the Rockets won since Scola has been there other than getting out of the first round for the first time in years.

Spurs haven't won shit either in the time Scola's been in the league. And the Rockets had/have their own injuries to deal with.


Do you literally think that he is the difference maker in the Lakers series? How do you explain the swing in point differential between game five and six? This league is all money driven...

No idea but Scola's a HUGE upgrade over garbage like Bonner/Oberto.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Wasn't Scola the Center for the Argentine National Team and Oberto backing him up? So actually losing Yao means that the Rockets put Scola at his natural position.

Scola almost always plays PF in national team some center of course also. Just like he plays some center with Rockets but he has always been the PF.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Duncan was fatigued in the WCF. Scola would have taken a lot of pressure of off Duncan vs the combos of Shaq/Amare and West/Chandler and provided the necesary help up front against Lakers bigs.



Scola's better than anyone on the Spurs outside of the big 3.



Spurs haven't won shit either in the time Scola's been in the league. And the Rockets had/have their own injuries to deal with.



No idea but Scola's a HUGE upgrade over garbage like Bonner/Oberto.

I love Manu but let us be honest. In this time Scola is for sure better than Manu is.

[Knoxxx]

I love Manu but let us be honest. In this time Scola is for sure better than Manu is.

Manu + Scola on the Spurs, man that would have been sweet...

[Indazone]

Scola 24 pts 12 rebounds. Duncanlike numbers :)

[Jace]

There are some moves in business/life/sports that will always haunt you, Scola is one of those for the Spurs

[R4R]

To be fair, the Spurs FO has made plenty more right decisions than wrong ones. Can't be perfect.

[whottt]

Whottt will "educate" us all on how Bonner is superior to Scola:

He's faster and a better shooter and his numbers would be better if he played for the Rockets.

Both are chokers.



rolleyes And some fans still argue Splitter "is better than Scola" :lmao

Scola's a piece of shit and so are his fans. They are by far the stupidest segment of fans I have ever seen. And they think they know so much...


Not only that but they are gutless and only show up after good games.


I wanted to talk about Scola badly after the 40 point loss...unfortunately no Scola fans were around that night, they never are...much like they weren't around when Bonner buttfucked Scola twice this season.


They only show up after good games...operating under the delusion that if they have numbers they aren't stupid...a huge fallacy IMHO.


Scola and his fucking fans are scum...his career can't end soon enough so he can take them with him as far as I'm concerned.

They actually hurt the quality of basketball discussion on this board IMO.

[whottt]

Actually I love how he's able to wind up a lot of people every time he mentiones anything about Scola. People instantly jump to defend Scola, which is totally unnecessary and look so insecure it's funny. I'm sure he enjoys how his absurd accusations are being discussed in length and people trying to find cases to defend Scola, when there's absolutely no need to.

Actually I'm frustrated because they gutless cowardly Scola fans never show up after his bad games.

Furthermore, I don't think there's anything ridiculous about my Scola statements, only people that are too stupid to understand the criticisms I am making and why I am making them.


And I do enjoy winding the Scola fans up...


I am truly amazed at how low their character is, that they can only show up after good games and still have the audacity to pat themselves on the back or think they have won something.

All they prove to me is that they don't know basketball, they are gutless, and they don't understand the crticisms I am making of Scola. Not only that but they're fairweather Spurfans as well...

[whottt]

Whottt's being sarcastic to the 199999th degree. Scola didn't play at the end of the game, so now he's attempting to bag on Scola because Adelman didn't play him that much near the end.

He doesn't play him because he's a defensive liability. Landry has been the closeout PF for all of Scola's Rockets career. Dude is slower than Matt Bonner is.



But it doesn't matter because whottt knows his stance on Scola is 100% wrong.

Fail. Your understanding of my stance on Scola is 100% wrong.





Also his first comment was an insult to Rocket fans. lol

Actually it was an insult to both Scola Fans and RocketFans....which are pretty the same thing as far as I'm concerned. It's like a 3-D insult.


PS: The joke is on anyone that thinks my stance on Scola is going to change barring 4 consecutive championships by the Rockets. That's what will have to happn to justify all the bitching and whining by Scola fans.

4 consective NBA championships.

[lotr1trekkie]

Scola instead of Bonner as a starter. A no-brainer! Splitter was supposed to be here. The FO screwed up.

[bigfan]

I will surely put the Scola giveaway in one of the front office's screwups column. And speaking of Splitter, that too was a screwup for not making sure he wasnt going to bolt to the Euros after we drafted him. So Scola and Splitter are in the screwup column. I sure hope Tahini does well this year or thats another bust.

[Harry Callahan]

All NBA performer Tony Parker was passed on by the Boston Celtics AND Houston Rockets THREE FREAKIN TIMES EACH in the 2001 NBA draft.

A much bigger screwup IMHO. T Long is a creep by the way with his going nowhere Blazers.

[E20]

he doesn't play him because he's a defensive liability. Landry has been the closeout pf for all of scola's rockets career. Dude is slower than matt bonner is.



Fail. Your understanding of my stance on scola is 100% wrong.





Actually it was an insult to both scola fans and rocketfans....which are pretty the same thing as far as i'm concerned. It's like a 3-d insult.


Ps: The joke is on anyone that thinks my stance on scola is going to change barring 4 consecutive championships by the rockets. That's what will have to happn to justify all the bitching and whining by scola fans.

4 consective nba championships.

lol

[Artest_Is_Fearless]

Maybe its because I am fairly new hear but what is up with Whottt's passionate hatred for Luis Scola???

[urunobili]

Maybe its because I am fairly new hear but what is up with Whottt's passionate hatred for Luis Scola???

He still doesn't get over the fact that it was traded to a conference rival for nothing... :wakeup

[Bruno]

http://www.livefoodsdirect.co.uk/images/Silent-crickets-6.jpg

[DAF86]

He doesn't play him because he's a defensive liability. Landry has been the closeout PF for all of Scola's Rockets career. Dude is slower than Matt Bonner is.

That's not true.

[Hemotivo]

http://www.livefoodsdirect.co.uk/images/Silent-crickets-6.jpg

:wtf

[DAF86]

:wtf

Yeah, I don't get it either.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

It's a cricket!


Scola had 11 points 4-12 shooting 3-6 FT's in a game 7...

maybe Whottt's right about him being a choker! j/k :lol

Can't knock on him(Scola) too much, since the overall team played shitty on offense, with no Inside out game plan, no big-game performances from anyone raising their game--Scola included....

[duncan228]

The Saga of Scola (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/16/sports/basketball/16dribble.html?_r=2)
Howard Beck
NY Times
May 15, 2009

If the reeling Los Angeles Lakers need another scapegoat for their suddenly perilous playoff position, perhaps they can blame Jackie Butler. It takes a few steps to get there, but play along.

Two years ago, the San Antonio Spurs realized they had overpaid Butler, a young center with a short résumé and a shorter N.B.A. lifespan. To shed his contract, the Spurs needed to trade him. To find a willing buyer, they needed to include something of value in the deal.

So in July 2007, the Spurs sent Butler and the draft rights to Luis Scola to the Houston Rockets. Two nights ago, Scola pounded the Lakers for 24 points and 12 rebounds to tie the Western Conference semifinal series at 3-3.

Scola, a star for Argentina’s national team and in the Spanish league, has largely outplayed Lakers forwards Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom. He is one of the biggest reasons that the Rockets are still contending, despite losing Yao Ming, Tracy McGrady and Dikembe Mutombo to injuries.

In Game 6, Scola practically put the Lakers away by himself. He scored the first 6 points of the game, and outscored the entire Los Angeles lineup by 12-3 in the first seven minutes. Houston cruised to an early double-digit lead and never surrendered it.

The hard-nosed, smooth-shooting Scola was highly regarded by the Spurs, but they were never sure how to fit him into their plans — financially or competitively. At the time they traded his rights, the Spurs already had his countryman Fabricio Oberto, a center. They also owned the rights to another promising foreign big man, Ian Mahinmi, their first-round pick in 2005.

So Scola seemed expendable, or at least not essential. Ever budget-conscious, the Spurs were eager to move Butler’s $2.4 million salary off the books. They received an undisclosed amount of cash in the trade. And the one player they obtained — guard Vassilis Spanoulis — was released at his own request, providing another $4 million in savings.

Butler never played a minute for the Rockets. The Lakers surely wish that Scola never had.

[lefty]

:depressed

[Hemotivo]

It's a cricket!


Scola had 11 points 4-12 shooting 3-6 FT's in a game 7...

maybe Whottt's right about him being a choker! j/k :lol

Can't knock on him too much, since the overall team played shitty on offense, with no Inside out game plan, no big-game performances from anyone raising their game--Scola included....

my internet friend whottt is wrong

[ChumpDumper]

It's a cricket!Thanks.

[Hemotivo]

:lol

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Poor Scola. Never a Euroleague title and now it look maybe never an NBA one either.

[ElNono]

Poor Scola. Never a Euroleague title and now it look maybe never an NBA one either.

Yeah. I guess that olympic gold medal really sucks.

[Hemotivo]

Poor Scola. Never a Euroleague title and now it look maybe never an NBA one either.

http://www.cabb.com.ar/wallpapers/atenas-scola1024.jpg

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

It's a cricket! Thanks.
:rolleyes
Obviously, everyone knows what the picture is...but two people were confused that it was a jab at the responses in game 6.
No need to get smart. *Shakes fist *


my internet friend whottt is wrong

well, some might call his position on Scola a bit extreme....:lol

[ChumpDumper]

No need to get smart.Who says I was getting smart?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Yeah. I guess that olympic gold medal really sucks.

Club career is also very important. Not just Olympic one.

[ducks]

L. Scola F 38:51 4-12 0-0 3-6 -23 1 6 1 3 1 0 2 4 11

nice choke job in game 7

[Mel_13]

Club career is also very important. Not just Olympic one.


Which is good for the Greek professional players who have never experienced an Olympic or World championship.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Which is good for the Greek professional players who have never experienced an Olympic or World championship.

I am confused at your "logic". According to Americans these competitions "do not count". When Team USA loses them "it does not count".

Now all of a sudden it "counts"? :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Greeks were told by ALL American fans 2006 World Championship win over Team USA "did not count". So why would Greeks be upset about not winning a tournament that "does not count"?

[Mel_13]

I am confused at your "logic". According to Americans these competitions "do not count". When Team USA loses them "it does not count".

Now all of a sudden it "counts"? :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Greeks were told by ALL American fans 2006 World Championship win over Team USA "did not count". So why would Greeks be upset about not winning a tournament that "does not count"?

You were downplaying Scola's Olympic gold. Argentina, despite having a basketball tradition that (according to you) does not rival Greece, owns both a World Championship and an Olympic Championship while Greece has neither.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

You were downplaying Scola's Olympic gold. Argentina, despite having a basketball tradition that (according to you) does not rival Greece, owns both a World Championship and an Olympic Championship while Greece has neither.

No I was not smartass. I was saying that I feel bad for him in his CLUB CAREER he may not get championship. No Euroleague and maybe no NBA. A player with his heart should get one. I was say NOTHING as you suggest. I know Scola has Spanish cups and Spanish championships but that is nothing special.

I wish for him to have Euroleague or NBA title because they are true championships. It has nothing to do with fucking Argentina national team. Just like Diamantidis and Spanoulis winning Euroleague with PAO has nothing to fucking do with them winning European championship with national team of Greece.

BTW European Championship = World Championship

It is the same level and importance to FIBA. It is of EQUAL championship and trophy in importance and difficulty. And Greece has TWO.

[Mel_13]

No I was not smartass. I was saying that I feel bad for him in his CLUB CAREER he may not get championship. No Euroleague and maybe no NBA. A player with his heart should get one. I was say NOTHING as you suggest. I know Scola has Spanish cups and Spanish championships but that is nothing special.

I wish for him to have Euroleague or NBA title because they are true championships. It has nothing to do with fucking Argentina national team. Just like Diamantidis and Spanoulis winning Euroleague with PAO has nothing to fucking do with them winning European championship with national team of Greece.

BTW European Championship = World Championship

It is the same level and importance to FIBA. It is of EQUAL championship and trophy in importance and difficulty. And Greece has TWO.

And again your English improves with your level of agitation. Also I thought you called for an end to insults. I have not insulted you or used any foul language in any response to your posts. May I expect an apology for your uncalled for rudeness?

[urunobili]

BTW European Championship = World Championship

It is the same level and importance to FIBA. It is of EQUAL championship and trophy in importance and difficulty. And Greece has TWO.

http://www.metamoo.com/stop-posting.jpg

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

And again your English improves with your level of agitation. Also I thought you called for an end to insults. I have not insulted you or used any foul language in any response to your posts. May I expect an apology for your uncalled for rudeness?

Please read thread again. i tried and they made fun of me again. So it is off. I will not try to be nice because it gets me nowhere here. The only thing they understand is to be arrogant because that is how they all are.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

http://www.metamoo.com/stop-posting.jpg

You do realize that European championship is actually harder competition than the World championship right?

[Mel_13]

Please read thread again. i tried and they made fun of me again. So it is off. I will not try to be nice because it gets me nowhere here. The only thing they understand is to be arrogant because that is how they all are.

So you will be rude and arrogant even to those who are not rude to you, but merely disagree with your point of view?

[tlongII]

Shouldn't this thread be stickied?

[ducks]

Shouldn't this thread be stickied?

after his great 7 seven non clutch game:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Pandaemonaeon]

Scola had A bad game. Bonner and Scola's other replacements have nothing BUT bad games to offer. :lmao

[Ice009]

after his great 7 seven non clutch game:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

lol Ducks. Those numbers are still better than anything Bonner did the in the playoffs.

Has Bonner ever scored as much as Scola did last night in any playoff game?

[mountainballer]

maybe the most ridiculous thing ever, Spurs fans celebrating a Lakers success in the PO, just because they can't stand that a certain player has some success.
the stupidity of this even tops the stupidity of trading away Scola's rights for nothing.

and as mentioned, Scola's "bad night" was still better than what all the Spurs bigs outside Tim showed this PO. (and btw. it was still much much better than Tim's bad night in Dallas).
just get over it, this is a very good player and a legit starter on a NBA team. who delivers at a bargain price. 14.4 PPG and 8.4 RPG from a player, who gets 3 million per. well THAT's a good deal!

[Malice]

Spurs will not recover from the Scola deal for years to come. Guys like that dont come around very often. And to trade him for NOTHING to a division rival is just the icing on the cake....but lets not beat a dead horse right? Makes me mad enough to spit everytime I see that dude in rocket red.

[Indazone]

lol reading this stuff never gets old :D

[urunobili]

Spurs will not recover from the Scola deal for years to come. Guys like that dont come around very often. And to trade him for NOTHING to a division rival is just the icing on the cake....but lets not beat a dead horse right? Makes me mad enough to spit everytime I see that dude in rocket red.

The only way we'll get over the trade would be having V-Span being a championship contributor for us... not even Splitter :splitter would heal the wound

[Hemotivo]

The only way we'll get over the trade would be having V-Span being a championship contributor for us... not even Splitter :splitter would heal the wound

only if the Spurs win the next championship

[Hemotivo]

they win again
and the scolamania is over

[ducks]

guys like scola come around often it is not like he is david robinson

[urunobili]

they win again
and the scolamania is over

I don't think so... again they'll c him shine and still think he was given away for nothing... it'd require V-Span being a contributor for another ship... winning it sans something we got out of the trade won't stop it.. again... not even with Tiago :splitter

[E20]

http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/2003/photos2004/0827/a_scola_luis_vt.jpg

I AM SCOLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAA

[whottt]

maybe Whottt's right about him being a choker! j/k :lol



But of course I'm right, his entire career is a testament to validity of that claim unless you want to use some bullshit rationale streeeeetch about Team Italy...give me a fucking break. He's not done shit...

He was exposed for the mediocre player he is, he was last or close to it on his team in +/- in some of the games in this series, his team got blown out by 40 fucking points...even in the rebound win against the sleeping Lakers he didn't even get significant minutes in the closeout.

Never has so much been made over a role player fucking scrub.



I hate to say it, but Scola fans were giving real Spurfans a reason to hate the Rockets more than the Lakers...I myself remained above that fray inspite of antagonism from the shithead Scola fans...but bottom line, Scola fans are just about worse than any segment of fans ever on ST in terms of pure stupidty and a complete lack of insight into the game...it's tough to be worse than bandwagon Lakerfan, but Scola fan is definitely giving them a challenge.



BTW, Scola's going to be 30 next season, in all likelyhood this was the pinnacle of his career.


What a sad fucking joke this all has been.

[MaNu4Tres]

I suggest Whott to listen to Jeff Van Gundy and Bill Simmons in Simmons pod cast last week.

[MaNu4Tres]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnradio/podcast/archive?id=2864045

Podcast for 5/12...

But hey Whotts analysis > Van Gundy/ Simmons and every fan with logical sense

[whottt]

Van Gundy might possibly be more over-rated than Scola, so whatever makes you feel good. I can find plenty of bonafied dumbasses saying the same things.

I have never understood why people think numbers somehow equal greater intelligence, when just the opposite if anything, is provably true. And the media is almost always the stupidest voice of them all.

[noob cake]

whottt, you should replace R.C. Buford.

[mountainballer]

But hey Whotts analysis > Van Gundy/ Simmons and every fan with logical sense

depends on what "analysis" and when he made it.
some years ago he was the greatest Scola fan and claimed he would be a top 5 pick.
now Scola looked like a player, who should at least have been a lottery pick and now he calls him overrated. oh well.
(btw. remember who was a top 5 pick in the same draft in 2002? yes, Drew Gooden was picked at #4.)

[temujin]

I have never understood why people think numbers somehow equal greater intelligence, when just the opposite if anything, is provably true. And the media is almost always the stupidest voice of them all.

Thinking about your 27500 messages?

[temujin]

whottt, you should replace R.C. Buford.

Yes, but only once Buford has been hired by the Clippers.

[temujin]

I guess we all agree: Scola is the reason why Houston got eliminated by a short-handed Lakers team.
Unlike the Scola-less, Spanoulis-Oberto-powered Spurs last year, that blew out the Lakers in five games.

[whottt]

Thinking about your 27500 messages?

It's almost as if you think your obvious bandwaggoner status is a positive or something.


You almost seem to be proud of it.


But go ahead and go after post totals...it's probably one of your most worthwhile and insightul posts ever. It certainly beats anything you've ever posted about basketball.

Flush yourself, see if I notice.

[whottt]

I don't know what the biggest joke actually is...the Scola fans being closet RocketFans, or the continual stream of stupidty that Scola would in any way approximate his numbers under Adelman if he were to play for the Spurs and alongside Tim Duncan.

#1. It's a fact Rick Adelman is a better offensive coach than Pop. His teams score more points, therefore they put up bigger offensive numbers.
#2. It's also just about a near fact that any big that plays along side Duncan suffers a decline in numbers sooner or later.
#3. It is definitely a fact that Tim Duncan is a far superior rebounder to any big Scola has ever played alongside of, IOW, there is a finite number of gettable rebounds in any given game, and Duncan makes that number smaller, as does Pop's rebounding philosophy.

I wipe my ass with the bush league newbie "insight" of the Scola fans...not to mention their bandwagoning and team jumping creed and their completely ignorant and skewed view of what constitutes success, nay greatness, on the basketball court.

Pa
the
tic.

[whottt]

I won't be surprised if Scola gets traded...yeah they probably like his intensity, but I bet they like the prospects of what they could get for him and feel that would be more of a gain than what he brings in terms of championship viability, definitely longterm even if not shortterm. Won't surprise me at all to see him get traded. I mean it happened to Nocioni and he is a much more viable championship NBA player than Scola.

[Knoxxx]

With Duncan on the downhill side of his career, Scola might do fine with the attention TD still attracts. Think DRob ceding the throne to TD. Now Scola is no TD, but he could have complemented him fine. Scola is like a much better version of Oberto, who was serviceable in his first year or two with us. I like Scola just fine at $3 million, but that opportunity is lost. Next up is a bigger contract for him, possibly even a bad one that we would not want to touch. I'd stil take him at the MLE for a few years, Manu + Scola would be worth seeing.

[Indazone]

Scola is a key cog this year in the Rockets offense but he's going to be a free agent after 2010 so he's going to ask for a lot more money. I don't know if the Rockets will be able to keep him so there might be a trade. Might as well get something rather than nothing.

[whottt]

Scola is a key cog this year in the Rockets offense but he's going to be a free agent after 2010 so he's going to ask for a lot more money. I don't know if the Rockets will be able to keep him so there might be a trade. Might as well get something rather than nothing.


That's fucking hilarious.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Scola is a key cog this year in the Rockets offense but he's going to be a free agent after 2010 so he's going to ask for a lot more money. I don't know if the Rockets will be able to keep him so there might be a trade. Might as well get something rather than nothing.

Panathinaikos has 3 years $30 million offer waiting for him. He has had the contract for a year now. He can sign it as soon as he is a free agent. So you already know the minimum amount he will cost you.

[Lars]

Panathinaikos has 3 years $30 million offer waiting for him. He has had the contract for a year now. He can sign it as soon as he is a free agent. So you already know the minimum amount he will cost you.

Except he is a competitor and it is his dream to play in the NBA, not the bush league.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Except he is a competitor and it is his dream to play in the NBA, not the bush league.

You fucking idiot. Being offered money has nothing to do with your imaginary USA arrogance. He will DEMAND the same from Rockets as he is offered by other clubs you dumb ass.

[Lars]

You fucking idiot. Being offered money has nothing to do with your imaginary USA arrogance. He will DEMAND the same from Rockets as he is offered by other clubs you dumb ass.

nope

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

nope

Right he will sign with Rockets for $3 million? Give me a fucking break. he will for sure go to another NBA or European club if your owner is cheap. His shoe contract will already be over by then. Fact is you will have to pay $10 million a year or more for him. You are a true retard if you do not realize this.

[Lars]

Right he will sign with Rockets for $3 million? Give me a fucking break. he will for sure go to another NBA or European club if your owner is cheap. His shoe contract will already be over by then. Fact is you will have to pay $10 million a year or more for him. You are a true retard if you do not realize this.

I am going to go ahead and break this down for you since you seem to be a little dense. If it is your dream to do something, ala the NBA with Scola, the amount of the contract is not the deciding factor. You can tell by his play that he relishes the competition, not the money.

You seem to think overseas offers somehow set the standard for what offers will be in the U.S, which is not the case.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Right he will sign with Rockets for $3 million? Give me a fucking break. he will for sure go to another NBA or European club if your owner is cheap. His shoe contract will already be over by then. Fact is you will have to pay $10 million a year or more for him. You are a true retard if you do not realize this.

We couldn't possibly ask for a link or something right? Is that inside information as well?

[mountainballer]

Panathinaikos has 3 years $30 million offer waiting for him. He has had the contract for a year now. He can sign it as soon as he is a free agent. So you already know the minimum amount he will cost you.

what, they downgraded it from the 3 years 73 million $ they usually offer?!?
damn, they have become cheap.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I am going to go ahead and break this down for you since you seem to be a little dense. If it is your dream to do something, ala the NBA with Scola, the amount of the contract is not the deciding factor. You can tell by his play that he relishes the competition, not the money.

You seem to think overseas offers somehow set the standard for what offers will be in the U.S, which is not the case.

You are a true idiot. So now you think that no NBA team will offer him $10 million? You are an unreal Rockets homer.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

We couldn't possibly ask for a link or something right? Is that inside information as well?

It has been posted many times on the forum last year. Find it yourself.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

what, they downgraded it from the 3 years 73 million $ they usually offer?!?
damn, they have become cheap.

Stop posting lies.

[mountainballer]

Stop posting lies.
ok, they are not cheap. just economizing.

[Lars]

You are a true idiot. So now you think that no NBA team will offer him $10 million? You are an unreal Rockets homer.

It has nothing to do with the Rockets.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

ok, they are not cheap. just economizing.

Scola was never offered such a deal as you claim. STFU with your lies.

[Indazone]

No matter, even if Pana made him an offer, what do you think Scola will command as a free agent in the NBA? This dude is like a 15 pt 8 rebound guy. I can tell you that he's going to get a hella lot more money than 3 million.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

No matter, even if Pana made him an offer, what do you think Scola will command as a free agent in the NBA? This dude is like a 15 pt 8 rebound guy. I can tell you that he's going to get a hella lot more money than 3 million.

Lars is an idiot for thinking he will not get $10 millions from NBA or Europe. I think he can for sure ask $10-$12 millions.

[Indazone]

Varejao signed a 3 year deal of around $17 to $18 million and I guarantee Scola is better than him.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Varejao signed a 3 year deal of around $17 to $18 million and I guarantee Scola is better than him.

I look at clutchfans site again. They have threads about how Yao should ask for no more than $9 million or Rockets should trade him because he is worth no more and cannot get that from other clubs. It must be Lars that started those dumb threads.

Rockets fans are mostly crazy.

[Indazone]

Thats why most fans are not GM's

[Lars]

Lars is an idiot for thinking he will not get $10 millions from NBA or Europe. I think he can for sure ask $10-$12 millions.

Do you have down syndrome? Go back and read my posts you fucking tool.

[jalberto]

here, my new wall. I hope you like it
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[R4R]

here, my new wall. I hope you like it
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lol@randompic

[temujin]

I am going to go ahead and break this down for you since you seem to be a little dense. If it is your dream to do something, ala the NBA with Scola, the amount of the contract is not the deciding factor. You can tell by his play that he relishes the competition, not the money.

You seem to think overseas offers somehow set the standard for what offers will be in the U.S, which is not the case.

Ask Thiago Splitter.

[picnroll]

Why the hell would anyone want to play in Greece in front of a crowd full of morons and thugs?