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LakerGod

03-26-2005, 03:11 PM

Look at it real good, because this will be the final spurs record.

Your April schedule is BRUTAL!

The spurs have 3 sets of back-to-backs and are playing teams they have had trouble with this season (Houston, Seattle, Memphis twice)

They also play the new and improved LA Clippers twice, let's not forget that they beat the Clipps in their last meeting by a measly point in the tin barn.

Realisticly speaking I think the spurs will not win any more games this season, but if I'm wrong they will probably beat the Blazers.

51 games or 52 at the most.

Here are the remainder games for the spurs:

Houston
Seattle
@ Denver
LA Lakers (back-to-back)
LA Clippers
@ Dallas (back-to-back)
@ LA Clippers
@ Golden State
Portland
@ Utah (back-to-back)
Memphis
@ Memphis
@ Minnesota

You will probably beat Portland but that's it.

52-30

1Parker1

03-26-2005, 03:14 PM

Thanks for the update, Nostradumbass.

donkey2400

03-26-2005, 03:14 PM

Thank god you have posted it Laker god. All spurs fans are happy, it is a great sign that we will exceed your expectations as usual.

smeagol

03-26-2005, 03:15 PM

Realisticly speaking I think the spurs will not win any more games this season, but if I'm wrong they will probably beat the Blazers.

Relax, little boy who's team has lost 7 in a row, you've always been wrong with your predictions.

You are an idiot.

LakerGod

03-26-2005, 03:16 PM

You're welcome!

texbumTHElife

03-26-2005, 03:18 PM

Houston
Seattle
@ Denver
LA Lakers (back-to-back)
LA Clippers
@ Dallas (back-to-back)
@ LA Clippers
@ Golden State
Portland
@ Utah (back-to-back)
Memphis
@ Memphis
@ Minnesota

You will probably beat Portland but that's it.

52-30

Lets see....

Lakers-W
Clippers-W
Clippers-W
Golden State-W
Portland-W
Utah-W
Memphis-W
Minnesota-W

I think 8 more wins is very realistic.

Ed Helicopter Jones

03-26-2005, 03:19 PM

LakerGod, since you're so good at predictions, at what spot do you think the purple and gold ping pong ball will appear at this year's draft lottery?

1Parker1

03-26-2005, 03:20 PM

BTW, how's your Savior Kobe doing lately? I haven't been following the Lakers that much, but I would think Kobe would at least help them win one or two games outta their 7 game losing streak. What's he been averaging lately?

Ishta

03-26-2005, 03:20 PM

Looks like your team is down for the count.... A most beautiful sight for me. The Spurs on the other hand will make you look like a dumbass.. Can't wait to see thathttp://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smielephant.gif

Go Spurs Go

P.S. Hope Kobe gets his endorsement finalized with Kleenex that'll come in real handy for him in a few weeks:devil :lmao :lmao :lmao

Charles Stunner

03-26-2005, 03:36 PM

When LakerGod dies, can I have his vBookie cash?

tim_duncan_fan

03-26-2005, 03:39 PM

laker god got that post off the espn spurs board.I think he is the same dumbass who is always something stupid on that spurs board.some people have no life

TDfan2007

03-26-2005, 03:57 PM

CHAMPS AGAIN

03-26-2005, 04:09 PM

Gtown

03-26-2005, 04:23 PM

Slo spurs fan

03-26-2005, 04:23 PM

DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT FEED TROLLS!!!

Ishta

03-26-2005, 04:34 PM

:angel OMG... I am sorry I missed the sign! Don't worry won't happen again.. Thanks for letting me know!:angel

Kori Ellis

03-26-2005, 05:36 PM

The spurs have 3 sets of back-to-backs

They have four sets of back-to-backs. :)

CHAMPS AGAIN

03-26-2005, 07:26 PM

Don't matter what record the SPURS have we all know that lakergod is an IDIOT

Kaster

03-26-2005, 08:26 PM

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Blazer16

03-26-2005, 08:38 PM

DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT FEED TROLLS!!!

Keep up the good work, Slo!

adidas11

03-26-2005, 09:07 PM

That looks like a pretty tough schedule. It'll be interesting to see how the Spurs cope with it, without Tim Duncan.

TheWriter

03-26-2005, 09:17 PM

If Brent Barry keeps playing the way he ahs the past two games and Manu returns to his old self like last night and Tony just keeps being "aggressive" then the Spurs should be just fine.

tw05baller

03-26-2005, 09:27 PM

we will win them and have devin and tim full strength come playoff time

why r laker fans so stupid?

The wold may never know

Bandit2981

03-26-2005, 09:48 PM

Look at it real good, because this will be the final spurs record
look at the "x" next to the spurs name in the standings as well...that means "guaranteed playoff spot" which is more than the Lakers can say :smokin

dcole50

03-27-2005, 02:55 AM

uh, we can beat utah, man. we're not the lakers.

Experiment2100

03-27-2005, 03:09 AM

Lakergod, when you plagiarise someone it's nice to cite your source
http://forums.espn.go.com/espn/thread?forumID=532&threadID=1499131&lastPostID=8046062
Unless you yourself wrote it, in which case it is ok because you can't copy yourself. But you hate that place because you think it sucks.

Experiment2100

03-27-2005, 03:51 PM

Bump for pasterity

Hook Dem

03-27-2005, 04:02 PM

Hey Lakerpod! Wrong again as usual! :lol

dcole50

03-27-2005, 05:07 PM

i guess we better enjoy our last win of the season guys.

so, are the lakers going to lose eight straight tonight? hahaha

ALVAREZ6

03-27-2005, 05:09 PM

The Sixers are going to beat the Lakers tonight...MARK MY WORDS!!!!

Lakers suck. This game is on ESPN.

Experiment2100

03-27-2005, 05:23 PM

Those commercials that are talking about Kobe leading them the the playoffs are hilarious.

ALVAREZ6

03-27-2005, 05:24 PM

Those commercials that are talking about Kobe leading them the the playoffs are hilarious.
I know, they won't even make the play-offs!!!

And the commercial says they're on their way to another championship....

Rummpd

03-27-2005, 09:45 PM

I am the "Good Doctor" but I got a special message for one LakerGod:

Blow me! You are owned.

LakerGod

03-28-2005, 05:46 AM

i guess we better enjoy our last win of the season guys.

Yeah, might as well, enjoy your last win of the season!

:lol

smeagol

03-28-2005, 07:38 AM

LakerIdiot:

Your $70 vbucks show what a good oracle you are.

By the way, Lakers lost again last night even with AI (5-28) and Webber (7-20) having a subpar game.

Ahh, forgot to mention that they palyed at staples.

Duncanoypi

03-28-2005, 08:35 AM

Caron Butler is their best player right now.Next season he may be traded by their GM Kobe.

SpursChampsIII

03-28-2005, 12:40 PM

Spurs won the next day after your prediction. Can we have your REVISED predictions please?

sa_butta

03-28-2005, 03:26 PM

Experiment2100

03-28-2005, 07:23 PM

Must not let thread die

Experiment2100

03-28-2005, 07:35 PM

Just saw on TNT that it will be a matchup of the losers when Minny plays LA on National TV., LA to lose 9 straight???

Man In Black

03-28-2005, 08:46 PM

:elephant
Look at it real good, because this will be the final spurs record.

Your April schedule is BRUTAL!

The spurs have 3 sets of back-to-backs and are playing teams they have had trouble with this season (Houston, Seattle, Memphis twice)

They also play the new and improved LA Clippers twice, let's not forget that they beat the Clipps in their last meeting by a measly point in the tin barn.

Realisticly speaking I think the spurs will not win any more games this season, but if I'm wrong they will probably beat the Blazers.

51 games or 52 at the most.

Here are the remainder games for the spurs:

Houston
Seattle
@ Denver
LA Lakers (back-to-back)
LA Clippers
@ Dallas (back-to-back)
@ LA Clippers
@ Golden State
Portland
@ Utah (back-to-back)
Memphis
@ Memphis
@ Minnesota

You will probably beat Portland but that's it.

52-30

52-30. Since they are now officially at 52 wins. Once they win at least 5 more games...Why don't you...YOU GET THE HELL OFF THIS BOARD- YOU WASTE OF CLEAN OXYGEN.

slayermin

03-28-2005, 09:13 PM

I heard on the radio today that the longest losing streak in Laker history is ten games. They are getting really close.

LakerGod

03-29-2005, 01:53 AM

Just saw on TNT that it will be a matchup of the losers when Minny plays LA on National TV., LA to lose 9 straight???
:lol

Hey as long as we win on Saturday I'm fine with it!

I will enjoy every spurs loss.

SuperManu!!!

03-29-2005, 01:56 AM

:lol

Hey as long as we win on Saturday I'm fine with it!

I will enjoy every spurs loss.

LAkergod....you and your team is getting own3d big time!!!! :lol

Experiment2100

03-29-2005, 02:06 AM

In lakergod's defense MANY people are enjoying the Lakers' season, enjoying other team's losses are common, and enjoying their losses. Fortunately us Spurs fans have had 37? times to celebrate while LG has only had less than 20. I really thought they would make the playoffs this year, i thought Kobe was good enough for at least 8th seed boy was i wrong. There is a weird occurence though, i enjoy seeing the Lakers lose, but feel bad for t'wolves, go figure.

Experiment2100

03-30-2005, 10:53 PM

It's bumpalicious
:owned

Rummpd

03-30-2005, 10:56 PM

LakerFraud THANK YOU for the post again! Works like a charm.

Experiment2100

03-30-2005, 10:59 PM

We CANNOT let this thread die.

smeagol

03-30-2005, 11:12 PM

No surprises here. It has been like this all year long with this idiot. He has been right 10% of the time.

Experiment2100

03-30-2005, 11:37 PM

No surprises here. It has been like this all year long with this idiot. He has been right 10% of the time.

You're giving him 5%

Dex

03-31-2005, 12:46 AM

Somebody get him to predict that we won't win the title, that way we can go ahead and start planning the river parade.

Kaster

03-31-2005, 03:10 AM

How many more times must LakerGod be wrong before he realizes that he just isn't very intelligent? Does he just have a small penis or something?

spursfan05

03-31-2005, 03:48 AM

both

LakerGod

03-31-2005, 05:08 AM

How many more times must LakerGod be wrong before he realizes that he just isn't very intelligent? Does he just have a small penis or something?
Man you are an idiot!

LakerGod

03-31-2005, 05:09 AM

BTW Bowen is just a litle dirty punk...

Ishta

03-31-2005, 10:26 AM

BTW Bowen is just a litle dirty punk...

WTFE it's called good defense!! Go cry a river somewhere else!! Have a nice day

CHAMPS AGAIN

03-31-2005, 01:51 PM

Man you are an idiot!

yep every SPURS fan know that you are an :idiot :lol :lol

lotr1trekkie

03-31-2005, 01:56 PM

Fakergod's brains is slightly less aware than poor Mrs. Shiavo's was. Can we detach him too?!!!!

samikeyp

03-31-2005, 02:18 PM

SOUTHWEST W L PCT GB Conf Div Home Road L 10 Streak
San Antonio 2 x 53 18 0.746 0.0 30-11 9-4 34-3 19-15 6-4 Won 3
Dallas 4 48 23 0.676 5.0 27-17 8-5 24-12 24-11 8-2 Won 3
Houston 5 44 28 0.611 9.5 26-16 9-5 22-13 22-15 7-3 Won 2
Memphis 8 39 31 0.557 13.5 25-19 6-5 22-13 17-18 5-5 Lost 3
New Orleans o 16 54 0.229 36.5 9-33 1-14 11-24 5-30 3-7 Lost 1

oops.

waly.mg

03-31-2005, 02:25 PM

PACIFIC W L PCT GB Conf Div Home Road L 10 Streak
Phoenix 1 x 54 17 0.761 0.0 30-11 8-2 25-9 29-8 7-3 Won 3
Sacramento 6 44 29 0.603 11.0 23-21 7-5 27-10 17-19 5-5 Lost 1
L.A. Lakers 33 37 0.471 20.5 20-20 6-5 22-14 11-23 2-8 Won 1
L.A. Clippers 32 40 0.444 22.5 17-28 6-9 25-13 7-27 5-5 Lost 3
Golden State o 26 45 0.366 28.0 12-29 4-10 14-20 12-25 7-3 Won 3

Oops

Lakers 33-49

Good fishing from mid April throw November

Man In Black

03-31-2005, 02:32 PM

Flaker Dog is undefeated...in inane posting.

You're a loser and I don't mind telling you that you are.

I hope your PC locks up due to fried circuitry :)

PM5K

03-31-2005, 05:57 PM

So what's LakerGods response to us winning the first two games he thought we would loose to two teams he thinks we have problems with (by a average margin of 13 points without Tim Duncan)??

Seriously, this guy is a troll, he only posts to incite people and is a total waste of space.

I mean there are people here who I sometimes totally agree and sometimes totally disagree with, for example Whott, but the guy always makes good arguments and backs them up, LakerGod just tries to irritate people by posting totally absurd bullshit.....

Experiment2100

04-02-2005, 11:03 PM

Bumptacular

E20

04-02-2005, 11:23 PM

LakerGod
http://www.lockitupoffroad.com/Clubpics/yo-homo.jpg

TDfan2007

04-03-2005, 01:21 AM

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/932/lakerscopy.jpg

Kaster

04-03-2005, 05:58 AM

LakerGod wrong again (though I wish he wasn't on this particular night).

Damn, this dude has got to be the dumbest poster in FSP history. This tops Conan the Moronian.

whottt

04-03-2005, 06:23 AM

Dumbest poster in FSP history?

His goal is to incite and piss off the posters on this forum while he just kicks back and laughs about it. It's not to make accurate predictions or even have a legitimate basketball take...It's to elicit a response from easily baited individuals....I think his success rate in achieving his goals is about 100%.

He doesn't give a fuck if his w-l prediction was accurate...

He's not the stupid one...

Kaster

04-03-2005, 06:52 AM

whottt

04-03-2005, 07:07 AM

LakerGod owns you in so many different ways it's not even funny.

whottt

04-03-2005, 07:11 AM

I backed up my claim that Drob was indeed> Shaq by posting the evidence of the numerous asskickings Snaq recieved at the hands of the Admiral...I seriously doubt you were even watching basketball back then...

You judge by what Shaq did to an old man with a broken back...you are the one judging in ignorance...for Drob did indeed outclass Shaq on the court(and off of it...of course) when they were the closest they ever got to being in their prime together.

whottt

04-03-2005, 07:15 AM

By the way...LG's title...Kneel at my "alter" should be indicative of something to most people that are smart.

Im Here Huckleberry

04-03-2005, 07:40 AM

Im Here Huckleberry

04-03-2005, 07:42 AM

But he still a waste of nutwad! :lol

Kaster

04-03-2005, 11:46 PM

LakerGod owns you in so many different ways it's not even funny.

LMAO, Drob > Shaq? Shaq overhyped due to the markets he has been in? Just too fucking funny. :lol

whottt

04-04-2005, 12:10 AM

spursfaninla

04-04-2005, 12:16 AM

By the way...LG's title...Kneel at my "alter" should be indicative of something to most people that are smart.

He is a big Trent Reznor fan?

whottt

04-04-2005, 12:28 AM

He is a big Trent Reznor fan?

No, that that nick is an "alter" ego and he's not even a LakerFan. Some people need things spelled out for them lest they become their own worst enemy...I guess it's the smart ones in this case.

For a bad and stupid poster he sure does get his threads bumped a lot and get lots of attention(his ultimate goal)....now doesn't he?

But by all means...keep kneeling at his altar....he's the one getting over.

smeagol

04-04-2005, 12:37 AM

whottt, I thought I read elsewhere from timvp that the guy is not some other poster's alias. He has a unique IP.

I agree with you though. The guy is looking for attention and he sure gets lots of it in this place.

LakerGod

04-04-2005, 12:45 AM

:lol

whottt

04-04-2005, 12:47 AM

Just because he has a unique IP doesn't mean that nick isn't an alias...and he's definitely trolling for responses.

Who knows? I guess the whole "alter" vs "altar" thing depends on if TimVP or Kori gave him that title...but I'd still be willing to bet that nick is an alias, if not for another Spurfan then for an old troll who was a master baiter, not to mention at least one Spurfan who he strongly reminds me of....

What I am certain of is that he could care less if his predictions are accurate or not....he cares about if they will piss people off or not.

LakerGod

04-04-2005, 12:59 AM

Kneel at my "alter"

(madeup by Kori)

LakerGod

04-04-2005, 01:02 AM

Anyways nice win last night... :wow

A clear offensive foul on Barry wasn't called

whottt

04-04-2005, 01:02 AM

Further proof he's not the dumbass many wish him to be:

You're welcome!

The correct usage of "you're" seems to indicate that, not only is he not a dumbass, he's smarter than approximately 90% of the people who post on message boards.

whottt

04-04-2005, 01:05 AM

Kneel at my "alter"

(madeup by Kori)

Wow...you actually took time to go on the defensive, how very untroll-like.....and even more revealing.

timvp

04-04-2005, 01:06 AM

I honestly don't know if it's someone's alias or what. He has a unique IP address, but like Whottt said, that isn't hard to accomplish.

Maybe one day, he/she/it will tell us who they really are.

P.S.

Perhaps it really is a suicidal Lakers fan.

:smokin

Kori Ellis

04-04-2005, 01:07 AM

nacho estrada

04-04-2005, 01:17 AM

Fake ass Laker Fan , just like his fake squad L.A.Fakers.

Kaster

04-04-2005, 01:18 AM

Hmmm, you might be right...

God knows Kobe didn't have much to do with those Laker titles...and this season proves it.

In that case I'd say the Lakers and Kobe jockers are a huge collection of dumbasses...enjoy lottery land.

LOL, Drob > Shaq.

And damn whottt, you can't even figure out LakerGod correctly. You've obviously never seen him post over at LG or the ESPN boards. He doesn't want attention, he's genuinely stupid.

LakerGod

04-04-2005, 01:20 AM

I've never believed that Laker God was an actual Laker fan, but I honestly don't know who he/she is. Several posters here keep pointing out that he uses other identities on many other Spurs boards. But does he post on Laker boards? I would think that a real Laker fan would.
FYI I'm a diehard Laker fan. I've always been and always will.

Don't you ever question my loyalty!

I don't post on any other boards, this is the only one I always post.

I used to post on the spermreport but I didn't like it because thay are a bunch of immature teenagers

Kori Ellis

04-04-2005, 01:21 AM

I don't post on any other boards, this is the only one I always post.

Why don't you post on Laker boards?

LakerGod

04-04-2005, 01:24 AM

Why don't you post on Laker boards?I do post on Laker boards but mostly on USENET (Newsgroups)

This is the only spurs board I always post

whottt

04-04-2005, 01:47 AM

LOL, Drob > Shaq.

Prove he isn't...this ought to be good...Mr.MediaBigMarketBias guy.

And damn whottt, you can't even figure out LakerGod correctly. You've obviously never seen him post over at LG or the ESPN boards. He doesn't want attention, he's genuinely stupid.

No...you're genuinely stupid...I know the truth hurts.

whottt

04-04-2005, 01:50 AM

I do post on Laker boards but mostly on USENET (Newsgroups)

This is the only spurs board I always post

How come you claimed this is the only board you post at and then later corrected that statement?

How you come you deleted the post where you said "ownership"?

How come your stupid troll facade drops when the legitimacy of your identity is questioned?

If you have no need to hide your identity then why is yours hidden?

And more importantly...have you ever heard the expression "with friends like these, who needs enemies"? :smokin

Kaster

04-04-2005, 02:46 AM

I do post on Laker boards but mostly on USENET (Newsgroups)

This is the only spurs board I always post

LMAO, your posts have been duplicated on LG and ESPN under different usernames. Coincidence? Yeah sure.

Prove he isn't...this ought to be good...Mr.MediaBigMarketBias guy.

It's pretty much as simple as saying look at their stats, look at their awards, and even look at their titles if you want. Shaq has Drob beat in every fathomable category save for defense, which Drob was an overrated and soft pansy at anyway. Oh, and of course, longevity is important, and Shaq has had it over the course of his career, Drob did not.

No...you're genuinely stupid...I know the truth hurts.

LMAO, nice deflection job. You were owned, get over it.

whottt

04-04-2005, 03:19 AM

LMAO, your posts have been duplicated on LG and ESPN under different usernames. Coincidence? Yeah sure.

Let's say that is the same guy...exactly how does that prove he isn't a troll?

And BTW, it's not too hard for anyone to figure out who that guy at ESPN is....and he's been on this and many other Spursboards before...that'd be that master baiter guy I mentioned.

It's pretty much as simple as saying look at their stats, look at their awards,

Statistically, Shaq is inferior to Drob in nearly every category...his huge lead in FG% is negated by his god awful FT%.

And exactly how do those awards prove the media and playing in big markets hasn't helped his image?

Dumbass.

and even look at their titles if you want.

Ok, let's look at their titles....Shaq had to go the second most sucessful franchise in NBA history to get his...he also had arguably the greatest coach and GM in NBA history backing him....Prior to that move Shaq's fast ass got SWEPT BABY SWEPT LIKE A PUNK ASS BITCH EVERY YEAR OF HIS CAREER.

Drob stayed in the smallest market in the NBA and won 2.

Shaq has Drob beat in every fathomable category save for defense, which Drob was an overrated and soft pansy at anyway. Oh, and of course, longevity is important, and Shaq has had it over the course of his career, Drob did not.

Since when does defense not matter? Idiot...that's the primary responsibility of a center.

Call Drob over-rated all you want...but he's got a winning record against Shaq...and in playoff series they are dead even.

Longevity is important...but Drob didn't even play in the NBA until he was 24 years old....

You want to talk longevity? You think Shaq will be starting for an NBA champion at the age of 38? He won't even be in the NBA by then.

LMAO, nice deflection job. You were owned, get over it.

You were owned...you just pussied on responding...I posted the result of their head to head matchups before Drob had a bad back...Drob buttfucked Shaq with regularity.

MI21

04-04-2005, 03:19 AM

Shaq has Drob beat in every fathomable category save for defense, which Drob was an overrated and soft pansy at anyway.

:lol @ the defense thing. I wonder if NBA players thought Dave was a pansy when they couldn't even get a shot up against him.

(Also, I can hear Whottt typing a 64,000 word reply right now. Should be a good read)

(Edit - I knew you were typing something, Whottt :lol)

whottt

04-04-2005, 03:21 AM

MI21...

Kaster isn't worth a 64k reply...every time I post the stats from their head to head matchups(when both could walk)he conveniently disappears for a week or so.

Kaster

04-04-2005, 03:40 AM

Let's say that is the same guy...exactly how does that prove he isn't a troll?

And BTW, it's not too hard for anyone to figure out who that guy at ESPN is....and he's been on this and many other Spursboards before...that'd be that master baiter guy I mentioned.

He's a troll either way, the point I was making is that he actually does care about his posts, and isn't just trying to elicit a response. Or, it could be both, who really knows what a guy like LakerGod is thinking. And I don't know who exactly you're referring to on the ESPN boards, but there are a lot of posters regardless.

Statistically, Shaq is inferior to Drob in nearly every category...his huge lead in FG% is negated by his god awful FT%.

He couldn't keep it up, he got injured. Otherwise we'd be talking about how Penny Hardaway was the greatest guard of 90's behind Michael Jordan.

And exactly how do those awards prove the media and playing in big markets hasn't helped his image?

Uh, not everyone who votes for All NBA, All D, MVP, etc. are from the media you know.

Dumbass.

Fitting response from an admitted moron. :lol

Ok, let's look at their titles....Shaq had to go the second most sucessful franchise in NBA history to get his...

Who cares what franchise he went to, he won with the players he had. Drob couldn't win with Rodman and role players, and couldn't beat Dream (who had an inferior supporting cast) in 94.

he also had arguably the greatest coach and GM in NBA history backing him....Prior to that move Shaq's fast ass got SWEPT BABY SWEPT LIKE A PUNK ASS BITCH EVERY YEAR OF HIS CAREER.

He also went to the Finals. Where the hell did Drob go? He never sniffed it.

Drob stayed in the smallest market in the NBA and won 2.

As a distant 2nd option for his first and as a role player for his 2nd. Shaq lead the Lakers to all 3 titles, at best you could argue he was option 1a to Kobe's 1b in 2002.

Since when does defense not matter? Idiot...that's the primary responsibility of a center.

I guess Bill Russell > Wilt. Dumbass. :lol

Call Drob over-rated all you want...but he's got a winning record against Shaq...and in playoff series they are dead even.

Limited sample size. Shaq > Drob, get over it.

Longevity is important...but Drob didn't even play in the NBA until he was 24 years old....

Who's fault is that? How old was he when be blew out his back? How old is Shaq now? Exactly.

You want to talk longevity? You think Shaq will be starting for an NBA champion at the age of 38? He won't even be in the NBA by then.

Who said anything about being able to play until age 38? :rolleyes

You were owned...you just pussied on responding...I posted the result of their head to head matchups before Drob had a bad back...Drob buttfucked Shaq with regularity.

He also lost with regularity throughout his career, unlike Shaq. Get over it, you've lost in every conceivable fashion. No one but a Spurs homer would say Drob > Shaq, NO ONE believes it except Spurs homers. No one puts Drob in their top 10 all time list. Shaq's already there, and he's only moving up with the Heat.

Keep your garbage in Texas next time along with that sorry ass president you support.

cqsallie

04-04-2005, 03:52 AM

[QUOTE=whottt]Let's say that is the same guy...exactly how does that prove he isn't a troll?]

Well, to be honest, I really couldn't care less. For reasons I will never fathom, San Antonio seems to be full of Lakers' fans. They show up at LA-SA games wearing Kobe Bryant shirts and being obnoxiously vocal in support of the opposing team.
Last year, three such idiots sat right in front of me and went absolutely berserk every time LA made a basket. God help me, but I became so pissed off that I rapped all three of them on the head with my noise-maker. They were astounded!
"Sit down and shut up!" I warned, "Or I'll hit you with my purse!"
They sat down and shut up...
Enough said, eh? The dumb asses will continue to attend Lakers-Spurs games and cheer for the wrong side - then go home to their little hovels right here in San Antonio. A little attitude adjustment never hurt. :flipoff

whottt

04-04-2005, 04:12 AM

He's a troll either way, the point I was making is that he actually does care about his posts, and isn't just trying to elicit a response. Or, it could be both, who really knows what a guy like LakerGod is thinking. And I don't know who exactly you're referring to on the ESPN boards, but there are a lot of posters regardless.

You are the one that brought up ESPN...that post from ESPN he is accused or ripping off was made by a troll originally known as Conan.

He couldn't keep it up, he got injured. Otherwise we'd be talking about how Penny Hardaway was the greatest guard of 90's behind Michael Jordan.

Um, Shaq has missed more games to injury in 12 seasons than Drob missed in his entire careeer.

Uh, not everyone who votes for All NBA, All D, MVP, etc. are from the media you know.

Fitting response from an admitted moron. :lol

Idiot...All NBA and MVP is voted on by the media.

All Defense is voted on by coaches...you are right...Shaq has only made all defense 3 times in his career....Drob made it every year of his career until he missed a season with injury...

Who cares what franchise he went to, he won with the players he had. Drob couldn't win with Rodman and role players, and couldn't beat Dream (who had an inferior supporting cast) in 94.

He did obviously...he's the one that went to LA...and he's the one that would allow himself to be traded to certain teams.

I am glad you broutht up Hakeem...

You do realize that Hakeem swept Shaq that same year he beat Drob don't you?

He also went to the Finals. Where the hell did Drob go? He never sniffed it.

Yeah, he went to the finals and lost to the same team that prevented Drob going to the finals...the difference is that Shaq got swept with an ALL NBA Guard and a 3 time Champion Power Forward...while Drob went 2-4 and lost one game when Elliott choked two Free Throws.

As a distant 2nd option for his first and as a role player for his 2nd. Shaq lead the Lakers to all 3 titles, at best you could argue he was option 1a to Kobe's 1b in 2002.

Um...you do realize that Duncan wasn't the guy guarding Shaq don't you? And you do realize that regardless of what Shaq did against the rest of the NBA...when we lost to LA Kobe was the reason.

I guess Bill Russell > Wilt. Dumbass. :lol

Who says Wilt didn't play D?

What Wilt couldn't do was have 5-7 Hall of Fame teamates every year of his career.

Limited sample size. Shaq > Drob, get over it.

ten years of matchups and 4 post season meeting is a limited sample size?

Who's fault is that? How old was he when be blew out his back? How old is Shaq now? Exactly.

It's Drob's fault...if he hadn't decided to honor his country....if he hadn't played for Team USA a record 8 times, including that time he had a hernia...he probably would have had a longer career.

Drob was too much of a pussy to have a long career...he should have sat out a third of the season every other year and refused to represent his country because of fear for his own safety like Shaq...then he'd be tough right?

Who said anything about being able to play until age 38? :rolleyes

You did when you mentioned longevity...

He also lost with regularity throughout his career, unlike Shaq. Get over it, you've lost in every conceivable fashion. No one but a Spurs homer would say Drob > Shaq, NO ONE believes it except Spurs homers. No one puts Drob in their top 10 all time list. Shaq's already there, and he's only moving up with the Heat.

He's lost with regularity throughout his career? He got swept one time in his entire career....he has a winning record against every C of his era, his era being the greatest era of the C...half of Shaq's career there was no other great Center..and the half that did have great C's Shaq got his ass kicked.

Keep your garbage in Texas next time along with that sorry ass president you support.

Oh but more people voted for Bush than any other president in history...using idiot logic(I like to call it Kaster logic)...that means Bush is the greatest president in history.

Kick your own ass much?

whottt

04-04-2005, 04:19 AM

This bears repeating to illustrate how ignorant you are...

Uh, not everyone who votes for All NBA, All D, MVP, etc. are from the media you know.

Fitting response from an admitted moron. :lol

Idiot...All NBA and MVP is voted on by the media.

All Defense is voted on by coaches...you are right...Shaq has only made all defense 3 times in his career, after Mutombo, Robinson, Olaujuwon and Ewing got old....Drob made it every year of his career until he missed a season with injury...

Who the fuck got owned again?

LakerGod

04-04-2005, 05:14 AM

Bring it on!

100+ responses 2000+topic views!

SLOVENIAN 8

04-04-2005, 05:17 AM

A clear offensive foul on Barry wasn't called

There was no foul!! Kobe was moving!

LakerGod

04-04-2005, 05:20 AM

There was no foul!! Kobe was moving!
Kobe??

I thought the foul was on Butler!

samikeyp

04-04-2005, 05:24 AM

It's pretty much as simple as saying look at their stats, look at their awards, and even look at their titles if you want. Shaq has Drob beat in every fathomable category save for defense, which Drob was an overrated and soft pansy at anyway. Oh, and of course, longevity is important, and Shaq has had it over the course of his career, Drob did not.

Robinson (14 seasons):
52% FG, 74% FT, 21ppg, 2.5 apg, 1.4 spg, 3 bpg, 11 rpg, 2.5 TO per game

O'Neal (in his 13th season):
58% FG, 53% FT, 23ppg, 2.8 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.9 bpg, 10.5 rpg, 3.0 TO per game

Awards:

Robinson:
ROY, DPOY, MVP, All-NBA 8 times (4 1st team/2 2nd team/4 3rd team), All-Defensive team 8 times (4 1st team/4 2nd team), 10-time All Star, Sportsmanship Award, Community Assist Award (which was also named after him), scoring title, rebounding title, 5 IBM Awards, 50 Greatest Players.

O'Neal:
ROY, MVP, All-NBA 9 times (4 1st/2 2nd/3 3rd), All-Defensive team 2 times (2 2nd team), 11-time All Star, 2 scoring titles, 2 IBM Awards, 50 Greatest Players.

SLOVENIAN 8

04-04-2005, 05:25 AM

Kobe??

I thought the foul was on Butler!

My mistake i watch the gameretape) yesterday. I dont know why i have Kobe in my had maybie becouse of last shot, but anyway there was no foul becouse he was moving. The refs could call the foul but they didnt.

LakerGod

04-04-2005, 05:36 AM

My mistake i watch the gameretape) yesterday. I dont know why i have Kobe in my had maybie becouse of last shot, but anyway there was no foul becouse he was moving. The refs could call the foul but they didnt.Refs usually don't call fouls at the end of games, Barry used his elbow to get Butler out of the way, I'ts called "home cooking" and the spurs are really blessed by playing at the barn called "home".

Im Here Huckleberry

04-04-2005, 07:07 AM

Your so fucking frustrated and bored with your lottery bound team that your paying more attention and spending more time here. Your a closet Spurs fan just admit it. :lol

Dre_7

04-04-2005, 01:11 PM

I'ts called "home cooking"

You mean what the Lakers got for many years with Shaq and Kobe?
Sweet revenge (even though it was a blocking foul)! :)

waly.mg

04-04-2005, 03:19 PM

In the Manu´s Forum, we have a diehard Laker fan too, from Argentina
He´s very Funny, he want that Manu have a great game vs Lakers, but he want LA win

But everybody says him then basket is a Team Game, and Manu is a Team Player and he always be unhappy if the Team Lost

When Manu Scores 33 and Lakers win in 2OT, he was Very Very Happy

Experiment2100

04-04-2005, 03:20 PM

Why are we forgeting the Spirit of this thread?

bigbendbruisebrother

04-04-2005, 04:43 PM

Refs usually don't call fouls at the end of games, Barry used his elbow to get Butler out of the way, I'ts called "home cooking" and the spurs are really blessed by playing at the barn called "home".

Butler was moving and didn't have position. That's called a blocking foul.

Kaster

04-04-2005, 07:06 PM

You are the one that brought up ESPN...that post from ESPN he is accused or ripping off was made by a troll originally known as Conan.

He has had other posts on the ESPN boards.

Um, Shaq has missed more games to injury in 12 seasons than Drob missed in his entire careeer.

He has also kept up his production and is still the most dominant player in the game. Drob blew out his back and was a shell of his former self afterwards.

Idiot...All NBA and MVP is voted on by the media.

All Defense is voted on by coaches...you are right...Shaq has only made all defense 3 times in his career....Drob made it every year of his career until he missed a season with injury...

Yeah, you’re right, the media does vote on All NBA and MVP awards, and those members are equally divided from each of the NBA cities, including SA. However you look at it, it’s a fair and reasonable process, and Drob still gets owned. Point blank; you still lose. Again.

He did obviously...he's the one that went to LA...and he's the one that would allow himself to be traded to certain teams.

What? This has nothing to do with anything, as I said before, Shaq won with the players he had.

Yeah, he went to the finals and lost to the same team that prevented Drob going to the finals...the difference is that Shaq got swept with an ALL NBA Guard and a 3 time Champion Power Forward...while Drob went 2-4 and lost one game when Elliott choked two Free Throws.

Was that the same year the Spurs still had the best defensive/rebounding PF in the game in Dennis Rodman? Yup. :lol

Um...you do realize that Duncan wasn't the guy guarding Shaq don't you? And you do realize that regardless of what Shaq did against the rest of the NBA...when we lost to LA Kobe was the reason.

:lol Shaq was the primary option every single year the Lakers thrashed the Spurs, including last year ( though that was a special case, since Payton and Malone were aboard). Drob guarding Shaq has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he was a distant 2nd option to Duncan in both title years, especially 2003.

Who says Wilt didn't play D?

Who says he didn’t? All I said was that your point is 100% moot, as Wilt didn’t defend as well as Russell, but no one in their right mind would claim that Russell > Wilt, which was my entire point from the beginning. Shaq is arguably the most unstoppable and most dominant offensive force ever, Drob most certainly was not.

What Wilt couldn't do was have 5-7 Hall of Fame teamates every year of his career.

Uh, OK, this has nothing to do with anything.

ten years of matchups and 4 post season meeting is a limited sample size?

Ten years of matchups? You said you only wanted to use the years before Drob got injured. If you want to include Drob’s post-97 performances against Shaq, be my guest.

It's Drob's fault...if he hadn't decided to honor his country....if he hadn't played for Team USA a record 8 times, including that time he had a hernia...he probably would have had a longer career.

What else am I supposed to tell you, the guy didn’t last as long as Shaq. That’s it, there’s nothing else to the argument. I have nothing against Drob personally.

Drob was too much of a pussy to have a long career...he should have sat out a third of the season every other year and refused to represent his country because of fear for his own safety like Shaq...then he'd be tough right?

No, but he would play longer in the NBA. And please, let’s not get into how “great” Drob was off the court, that’s just deflects from the point I was making; Shaq > Drob.

You did when you mentioned longevity...

Longevity doesn’t = a career until age 38. If Shaq plays well until age 35, he will have had exactly eight more dominant seasons than Drob was able to muster. He has had six more dominant seasons than Drob ever had, so he needs to last only two more years to have more than double the amount of dominant seasons Drob had.

He's lost with regularity throughout his career? He got swept one time in his entire career....he has a winning record against every C of his era, his era being the greatest era of the C...half of Shaq's career there was no other great Center..and the half that did have great C's Shaq got his ass kicked.

Drob lost when it mattered, in the postseason. He never led a team to the Finals. Shaq did, he actually got there, only to be beaten by a better center. No shame in calling Dream the better player, I thought he was and still do (not offensively, but certainly defensively). Shaq also beat a Jordan-led Bulls team in 95, Drob did no such thing. Playing in the “greatest era of centers” has nothing to do with anything, Shaq wasn’t affected by it, he still put up the same numbers and still beat Jordan and went to the Finals. That was before he led another team to 3 titles (shared the leading with Kobe for the 3rd) and another Finals after that. Guess what, he’s doing the same with the Miami Heat. Yeah, he has had great teammates, and players don’t make teams by themselves. But Shaq has still done everything Drob has done as a player and more, and for a much longer period of time (6 additional years and counting).

Oh but more people voted for Bush than any other president in history...using idiot logic(I like to call it Kaster logic)...that means Bush is the greatest president in history.

What the hell are you talking about kid? :lol

Robinson (14 seasons):
52% FG, 74% FT, 21ppg, 2.5 apg, 1.4 spg, 3 bpg, 11 rpg, 2.5 TO per game

O'Neal (in his 13th season):
58% FG, 53% FT, 23ppg, 2.8 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.9 bpg, 10.5 rpg, 3.0 TO per game

Awards:

Robinson:
ROY, DPOY, MVP, All-NBA 8 times (4 1st team/2 2nd team/4 3rd team), All-Defensive team 8 times (4 1st team/4 2nd team), 10-time All Star, Sportsmanship Award, Community Assist Award (which was also named after him), scoring title, rebounding title, 5 IBM Awards, 50 Greatest Players.

O'Neal:
ROY, MVP, All-NBA 9 times (4 1st/2 2nd/3 3rd), All-Defensive team 2 times (2 2nd team), 11-time All Star, 2 scoring titles, 2 IBM Awards, 50 Greatest Players.

LOL, the Sportsmanship and Community Assist awards? :lol Stick to basketball, those are worthless awards (and so is the IBM, no one takes it seriously). Oh, and missed a few things have we? 3-time Finals MVP, 3-time champion, 3-time (not 2-time) All Defensive Team member including a first team in 03, 12-time (not 11-time) All Star, 6-time (not 4-time) All NBA first teamer.

LakerGod

04-04-2005, 11:34 PM

Keep it up Kaster!, even though you're an idiot!

whottt

04-04-2005, 11:59 PM

Keep up what? Kicking his own ass?

The only thing he's got to back up his claim is popularity awards...and that's what I laughed at him about at the beginning, Kaster's a joke...he's not even worth digging up the self ass kicking quotes about media and big market bias...

He totally discounts non biased awards, he gives individual credit for team accomplishment...it's just pathetic...if all the Shaq hypers argued as he does...no one would think Shaq was better than Drob. He's his own worst enemy and he proves my points for me(that Drob is > Shaq, and that he is an idiot).

T Park

04-05-2005, 12:02 AM

why does anyone give the benefit of responding to these clowns like Kaster and God.

Ignore them, and they go away, that fuckin simple.

Man In Black

04-05-2005, 01:10 AM

Krapster and fla"k"erdog. 2 peas in a pod, idiots in a shining sea of barney purple & fool's gold, going fishing early.

dog is loser...keep on bringin' it Krapster...you're sinking to his level.

Kaster

04-05-2005, 03:26 AM

Keep up what? Kicking his own ass?

The only thing he's got to back up his claim is popularity awards...

That every great player in history has won, no matter what city they played in. Stockton and Malone certainly never played in a big market or popular city, but they certainly still won their fair share of All NBA, All Defensive, MVPs, etc. awards. Popularity contest my ass, it was plain and simple voting based on what they saw with their own two eyes.

and that's what I laughed at him about at the beginning, Kaster's a joke...he's not even worth digging up the self ass kicking quotes about media and big market bias...

Yeah, your previous "ass kickings" included a handful of matchups pre-96 and....pretty much nothing else. Apparently longevity is an island somewhere where you must be 38 years old to be accepted.

He totally discounts non biased awards,

Forget awards, just look at his statistics and his dominance. Watch him play once and a while too, he's drawing more double and triple teams at age 32 than Drob ever did at ANY point in his career. That's because he's a dominant player, something Drob never really was.

he gives individual credit for team accomplishment...

Not really. Drob had Rodman in the smack middle of his prime and decent role players for two seasons, while Shaq had Penny and some slightly better role players for those same two seasons (94 and 95). Even with Michael Jordan out of the picture, the Spurs still couldn't get to the Finals. You want to ignore his team accomplishments as a Laker? Sure, that's fine, he had Kobe, Phil, etc., I'll agree to that. As an Orlando Magic player? Heck no, had very similar help to Drob.

it's just pathetic...if all the Shaq hypers argued as he does...no one would think Shaq was better than Drob. He's his own worst enemy and he proves my points for me(that Drob is > Shaq, and that he is an idiot).

Haha, take a poll in this universe, NO ONE believes Drob > Shaq except for moron homer Spurs fans. Hell, I'd bet the majority of Spurs fans believe Shaq > Drob.

Oh, and good form not responding to the rest, pretty bad ownage there.

Krapster and fla"k"erdog. 2 peas in a pod, idiots in a shining sea of barney purple & fool's gold, going fishing early.

dog is loser...keep on bringin' it Krapster...you're sinking to his level.

Oh come on MIB, do you really believe Drob>Shaq? Bring that crap to a Laker or Magic board (or any board anywhere on the Internet) and you'd get laughed off.

whottt

04-05-2005, 04:32 AM

The essence of Kaster:

LMAO, Drob > Shaq? Shaq overhyped due to the markets he has been in? Just too fucking funny. :lol

To which whottt responded:

Prove he isn't...this ought to be good...Mr.MediaBigMarketBias guy.

At which point you proceeded to give yourself the self asskicking of the century with the following comments:

Haha, take a poll in this universe, NO ONE believes Drob > Shaq except for moron homer Spurs fans. Hell, I'd bet the majority of Spurs fans believe Shaq > Drob.

Oh come on MIB, do you really believe Drob>Shaq? Bring that crap to a Laker or Magic board (or any board anywhere on the Internet) and you'd get laughed off.

look at their awards

You sound like a cheerleader.

You are incapable of thinking for yourself and can only parrot what the media has told you.

Further proof that you are a media owned dullard:

Uh, not everyone who votes for All NBA, All D, MVP, etc. are from the media you know.

Idiot...All NBA and MVP is voted on by the media.

To which my property responded:

Yeah, you’re right, the media does vote on All NBA and MVP awards, and those members are equally divided from each of the NBA cities, including SA. However you look at it, it’s a fair and reasonable process, and Drob still gets owned. Point blank; you still lose. Again

No bitch...I don't lose, you do. You needed to shut up after "yes, you are right".

The thing is...

You are so owned by popular opinion you cannot even see it...my point was right...the major you points you can use to hype Shaq are all popularity awards...and you don't know what the fuck you are talking about without Linda Cohn there to get your back.

You know what else popularity does? It gets Yao voted into the AS game ahead of Shaq...it also gets 40 million germans to follow Hitler...What it doesn't do, unfortunately for you, and them, and the All Star Game...is make you right.

whottt

04-05-2005, 04:37 AM

By the way...

Your title arguments suck...

Basically, you think...

Kobe = Vinny Del Negro...Got it.

Getting swept by the Rockets in the finals is not a greater accomplishment than than losing to them 2-4 in the WCF.

Shaq also had an All Star Power Forward with multiple rings on his team...Not to mention an All NBA Guard(since popularity means so much to you)

Dennis Rodman missed nearly half the season the year the Spurs went to the WCF. And he didn't even play in every game of the WCF.

And Shaq never beat Jordan...he got swept by him.

As for their 10 years...I already did...Drob has a winning record against Shaq in his career....his entire career...admittedly...he had a better record when he was getting Shaq in foul trouble.

whottt

04-05-2005, 04:41 AM

I realize you have nothing against Drob...you calling him a soft pansy drove that point home...

Kaster

04-05-2005, 04:43 AM

The essence of Kaster:

To which whottt responded:

At which point Kaster proceeded to give himself the self asskicking of the century with the following comments:

You sound like a cheerleader.

You are incapable of thinking for yourself and can only parrot what the media has told you.

The media voting has nothing to do with anything, ignore them completely if you like. The point has been and will always remain; Shaq > Drob, based on various stats, various milestones reached, and just by watching them play. Ignore the media, just ask any diehard NBA fan, they'll all tell you the same thing; Shaq > Drob. It's that simple. You want to believe it has something to do with the media, when all it is is using your eyeballs and forming an opinion.

Further proof that you are media owned dullard:

To which my property responded:

No bitch...I don't lose, you do.

You missed the point, per usual. Oh and of course, you missed the 20 other points you failed to address (you can't).

You needed to shut up after "yes, you are right".

Hey, I'm not the one stupid enough to claim Drob > Shaq. What's next Duncan > Jordan?

The thing is...

You are so owned by popular opinion you cannot even see it...my point was right...the major you points you can use to hype Shaq are all popularity awards...

LMAO. You suck at reading. My major points other than All NBA/MVP votes were their stats and impact they had on their on the floor, especially with their similar supporting casts in 94 and 95, specifically. Your response; nada. And that's the right choice, there is really no way to refute those points.

and you don't know what the fuck you are talking about without Linda Cohn there to get your back.

LOL, is this really the best you can do? Big market media clouding the judgment of fans? Talk to any non-brain dead basketball fan who has watched the game for years, they'll tell you the same thing; Shaq > Drob. Drob was a great player. He wasn't as great as Shaq. It's really not even debatable. Even his stats don't really do Shaq justice.

You know what else popularity does? It get Yao voted into the AS game ahead of Shaq...it also gets 40 million germans to follow Hitler...

:rollin You know you're desperate when you compare Shaq's greatness to Adolf Hitler. Thanks for losing the argument all on your own.

whottt

04-05-2005, 04:45 AM

Actually...the funny part is when you go on adnauseum about what people think...yet when I made that point about Bush it went totally over your head...

I guess that's because you believed the media when they said Bush wouldn't win....dint ya?

Must suck not having a mind of your own. Must also lead to you finding out you were wrong, the hard way, often.

Kaster

04-05-2005, 04:48 AM

By the way...

Your title arguments suck...

Basically, you think...

Kobe = Vinny Del Negro...Got it.

LMAO, still not reading I see. I said forget the Lakers seasons if you want, he still kicked ass with about as good a supporting cast as Drob had in 94 and 95, to which you replied....yeah well, that's right, you didn't reply.

Getting swept by the Rockets in the finals is not a greater accomplishment than than losing to them 2-4 in the WCF.

No, but he did get to the Finals, and he did indeed beat the Jordan-led Bulls. What did Drob do the other year he had Rodman? That's right, nothing, again.

And Shaq never beat Jordan...he got swept by him.

What? Put the crackpipe down kid, the Magic beat the Bulls in 94-95.

As for their 10 years...I already did...Drob has a winning record against Shaq in his career....his entire career...admittedly...he had a better record when he was getting Shaq in foul trouble.

LOL, so Shaq, pre-prime form, didn't always beat Drob during his prime in the limited times they met before he blew out his back. What did he do to Drob after the back injury? Exactly.

whottt

04-05-2005, 04:48 AM

I got your point on the titles.....you think Kobe = Vinny Del Negro

And you think Shaq taking the money and running from the franchise that drafted him and going to the largest city in the NBA, to a legenday franchise, GM, and later coach, also equals winning with what he had....

Winning with what he had means staying in Orlando...

Kaster

04-05-2005, 04:50 AM

Actually...the funny part is when you go on adnauseum about what people think...yet when I made that point about Bush it went totally over your head...

Probably because it was stupid and irrelevant to my point about Bush and your sorry ass state helping to reelect him. Apparently, that either went over your head or you were too stupid to respond to it.

I guess that's because you believed the media when they said Bush wouldn't win....dint ya?

Oy, good lord, the bad points keep on rolling. Man up if you voted for Bush. It's OK, the American public forgives you and your state.

Must suck not having a mind of your own. Must also lead to you finding out you were wrong, the hard way, often.

You're too funny. :lol

Kaster

04-05-2005, 04:53 AM

I got your point on the titles.....you think Kobe = Vinny Del Negro

No, you missed the point, per usual. Read again if you're still confused.

And you think Shaq taking the money and running from the franchise that drafted him and going to the largest city in the NBA, to a legenday franchise, GM, and later coach, also equals winning with what he had....

Read again kid; Shaq with the Magic in 94 and 95 had more success than Drob ever had in his entire seven seasons leading the Spurs.

Winning with what he had means staying in Orlando...

You got it wrong, again. Amazing.

whottt

04-05-2005, 05:02 AM

LMAO, still not reading I see. I said forget the Lakers seasons if you want, he still kicked ass with about as good a supporting cast as Drob had in 94 and 95, to which you replied....yeah well, that's right, you didn't reply.

He didn't kick Drob's ass. He got his ass kicked by Drob...

No, but he did get to the Finals, and he did indeed beat the Jordan-led Bulls. What did Drob do the other year he had Rodman? That's right, nothing, again.

You fucking kidding me right? The Jordan lead Bulls of 94-95?

What did Shaq do the year he had Rodman? Get swept by us(I don't give a fuck if Rodman was on the team or not, he was cut because he was pain in the ass that could only be handled by a guy like Jordan)

What? Put the crackpipe down kid, the Magic beat the Bulls in 94-95.

That was Scottie's team...Jordan was back for all of about 10 games and had his head up his ass...he was getting punked by Mugsy Bogues...

LOL, so Shaq, pre-prime form, didn't always beat Drob during his prime in the limited times they met before he blew out his back. What did he do to Drob after the back injury? Exactly.

He put up about slightly better numbers he always did against Drob...the difference was that Drob wasn't the primary option on offense...The one game where Drob was made the primary option...Drob whupped his ass and had him on the bench in foul trouble...like he did any Center that tried to guard him 1 on 1......and this was a 35 year old Drob...

Becuase you see you are wrong about 1 thing....No one could guard Drob one on one in his prime and as the primary option on offense...because he was an automatic foul out...this means Hakeem...this means Shaq...

While Drob did guard Shaq one on one, in Shaq's prime...and he won two titles doing it.

And to tell you the truth..it's not really being fair to Drob saying that Shaq beat him in the playoffs as many times as he beat Shaq...it's not fair because Drob had to come back from having numbness in his legs in one of those playoff matchups...the truth is, healthy and old Drob was 2-1 against Shaq in the playoffs...

And more importantly...he was 3-2 against your mighty fucking Lakers...playing in the smallest market in the NBA.

I'm just glad Drob told LA to fuck off when they tried to steal him away from the Spurs....I'm also glad we didn't draft Shaq instead of Drob...because if those things had happened different...not only would we not have 2 titles right now...we wouldn't have a team.

Drob brought the mountain to Mohammed...Shaq had to go to it...and I don't give a fuck if Duncan was on this team or not...no one player has ever won a championship...Your boy Kobe is finding that out the hard way...along with you.

whottt

04-05-2005, 05:16 AM

Read again kid; Shaq with the Magic in 94 and 95 had more success than Drob ever had in his entire seven seasons leading the Spurs.

The only thing Shaq did in 94-95 that Drob never did in his first 7 years was get his ass fucking swept in a series he had HCA.

Guess what? They don't give you the O'Brien Trophy for making the finals...

If you think getting swept by the Rockets means the Shaq was better than a team that lost to them 2-4...you are an idiot.

Shaq's never done shit without having a top 5-8 Guard on his team....look at his rookie season(the only season he hasn't had one) if you doubt this...he didn't even make the playoffs.

Kaster

04-05-2005, 05:33 AM

You fucking kidding me right? The Jordan lead Bulls of 94-95?

No kid, not really.

What did Shaq do the year he had Rodman? Get swept by us(I don't give a fuck if Rodman was on the team or not,

LOL. You don't care if Rodman was on the team or not? OK kid? :lol

And why the hell would you bring up 99 when you yourself said we shouldn't use matchups after Drob blew his back out? And why the hell would you bring it up anyway, Duncan did the ass kicking, not Drob.

he was cut because he was pain in the ass that could only be handled by a guy like Jordan)

Yeah, it's a wonder he won two titles with the Pistons. :rolleyes Moron.

That was Scottie's team...Jordan was back for all of about 10 games

17 actually.

and had his head up his ass...he was getting punked by Mugsy Bogues...

Boy, you really aren't too smart. Jordan put up 31.5/6.5/4.5 on 48.4% shooting the 94-95 postseason. It was a media created myth that he wasn't himself. For a guy that pisses and moans about the media, you sure bought into the whole "Jordan was rusty" bit.

Oh, and facts remain; a Shaq-led team was the only team ever to beat a Jordan-led Bulls team. Pippen-led? You're truly braindead. Ask any Bulls fan.

He put up about slightly better numbers he always did against Drob...the difference was that Drob wasn't the primary option on offense...The one game where Drob was made the primary option...Drob whupped his ass and had him on the bench in foul trouble...like he did any Center that tried to guard him 1 on 1......and this was a 35 year old Drob...

35 year old Drob, what in the hell are you talking about? You're using the post back injury years where Drob was at best a 2nd option, to prove that he punked Shaq, yet you yourself said you didn't want to use those years in a direct comparison because of that injury. And then you go and say Shaq's numbers were "slightly" better? Shaq absolutely owned the Spurs from the 99 postseason and on. You're stupid and blind if you think otherwise.

While Drob did guard Shaq one on one, in Shaq's prime...and he won two titles doing it.

Uh, and you contradict your own point, since Drob was no where near the first option on offense in 99 or 03 son. In fact, what did he average in both the 99 and 03 postseasons, 13 or 14 ppg? Yeah, what an accomplishment. :lol

And to tell you the truth..it's not really being fair to Drob saying that Shaq beat him in the playoffs as many times as he beat Shaq...it's not fair because Drob had to come back from having numbness in his legs in one of those playoff matchups...the truth is, healthy and old Drob was 2-1 against Shaq in the playoffs...

Pure garbage excuses. Shaq wasn't totally healthy in either the 99 or 03 postseasons either, coming off of abdominal injuries in 99 and the toe surgery in 03. Injury excuse doesn't fly.

And more importantly...he was 3-2 against your mighty fucking Lakers...playing in the smallest market in the NBA.

Who gives a crap what market he was in, or that he beat the NVE/E. Jones Lakers (it still took the Spurs 6 games to beat that team too).

I'm just glad Drob told LA to fuck off when they tried to steal him away from the Spurs....

Good, Jesus freaks piss me off.

The only thing Shaq did in 94-95 that Drob never did in his first 7 years was get his ass fucking swept in a series he had HCA.

Guess what? They don't give you the O'Brien Trophy for making the finals...

If you think getting swept by the Rockets means the Shaq was better than a team that lost to them 2-4...you are an idiot.

Guess what, Shaq beat all the competition he faced and got to a Finals. Drob did not. He beat a Jordan-led Bulls team, the only one to do so since the first season Phil Jackson came back and the Bulls barely lost to the Bad Boy Pistons (your buddy Rodman, who your leader Drob rejected, was on that team, remember him?). It’s irrefutable, Shaq had more success. Who knows how he would have done against the Spurs head to head in a series.

And hell, this was all before Shaq’s prime, that’s the funny part. I’d hate to see what a 28 or 29 year old Shaq would do to Drob. Oh wait, I already did. Complete destruction.

Shaq's never done shit without having a top 5-8 Guard on his team....look at his rookie season(the only season he hasn't had one) if you doubt this...he didn't even make the playoffs.

Yeah, as a 20 year old rookie with Scott and Anderson as his best player, and Tom Tolbert getting big minutes. Good call.

Anyway, in all of modern day basketball, only Dream has won with little talent on his teams, and I’m perfectly fine with Dream being called a better player than Shaq. No way in hell anyone with a brain buys that Drob was better than Shaq. Sorry, just ain’t happening.

whottt

04-05-2005, 05:51 AM

No kid, not really.

LOL. You don't care if Rodman was on the team or not? OK kid? :lol

I think the fact that he was on the team and then wasn't is telling...Rodman was a pain in the Ass.

And why the hell would you bring up 99 when you yourself said we shouldn't use matchups after Drob blew his back out? And why the hell would you bring it up anyway, Duncan did the ass kicking, not Drob.

Drob did the Shaq defending...not Duncan...and Drob was the only guy to score in double figures in every game of that post season run...Duncan had a game where he only scored 5 points...and we won.

Don't fucking tell me we win that title without Drob...

Yeah, it's a wonder he won two titles with the Pistons. :rolleyes Moron.

Yeah...and the Piston's also traded him when he became a fucking headcase...

17 actually.

Boy, you really aren't too smart. Jordan put up 31.5/6.5/4.5 on 48.4% shooting the 94-95 postseason. It was a media created myth that he wasn't himself. For a guy that pisses and moans about the media, you sure bought into the whole "Jordan was rusty" bit.

Did he win the scoring title that season? Why not? He put up the PPG averages to do it....dipshit...17 fucking games is 17 games...Kobe had a stretch last year where he averaged about 40 PPG for 17 games...does that mean he was the leader of his team?

Oh, and facts remain; a Shaq-led team was the only team ever to beat a Jordan-led Bulls team.

Idiot. I didn't realize just how much of an idiot you were until you just made that statement.

Pippen-led? You're truly braindead. Ask any Bulls fan.

LMAO back to ask someone else....I don't need to fucking ask someone else...go see who had more MVP votes that season(that's another one of your school girl criteria, so do it)

35 year old Drob, what in the hell are you talking about? You're using the post back injury years where Drob was at best a 2nd option, to prove that he punked Shaq, yet you yourself said you didn't want to use those years in a direct comparison because of that injury. And then you go and say Shaq's numbers were "slightly" better? Shaq absolutely owned the Spurs from the 99 postseason and on. You're stupid and blind if you think otherwise.

DRob V Shaq wasn't the reason we ever lost a series to you...Kobe was the reason..You just weren't watching.

Uh, and you contradict your own point, since Drob was no where near the first option on offense in 99 or 03 son. In fact, what did he average in both the 99 and 03 postseasons, 13 or 14 ppg? Yeah, what an accomplishment. :lol

He was the primary option...for 1 game...in the 2001 playoffs after Duncan had a 9 point game...and he whupped up on Shaq and put his fat ass on the bench in foul trouble...that didn't stop Kobe and Fisher from destroying though...

You are an idiot if you expected Drob to put up similar numbers to his youth when he was only getting half as many touches and getting the ball with about 7 seconds left on the clock..even if he was still capable of doing it every game.

Pure garbage excuses. Shaq wasn't totally healthy in either the 99 or 03 postseasons either, coming off of abdominal injuries in 99 and the toe surgery in 03. Injury excuse doesn't fly.

Good, Jesus freaks piss me off.

Yeah but at least you don't hate...

Guess what, Shaq beat all the competition he faced and got to a Finals. Drob did not.

Only because he had to face the team that beat Shaq before the finals...idiot.

He beat a Jordan-led Bulls team, the only one to do so since the first season Phil Jackson came back and the Bulls barely lost to the Bad Boy Pistons

So in otherwords...he's not the only one to do it...so STFU.

That wouldn't be the same Jackson who Shaq won his titles with right? He doesn't count according to you...why bring it up? It's all Shaq.

(your buddy Rodman, who your leader Drob rejected, was on that team, remember him?).

What?

It’s irrefutable, Shaq had more success. Who knows how he would have done against the Spurs head to head in a series.

It's very refutable...unless your idea of success is this:

Sweep
Sweep
Sweep
Sweep
Sweep

And hell, this was all before Shaq’s prime, that’s the funny part. I’d hate to see what a 28 or 29 year old Shaq would do to Drob. Oh wait, I already did. Complete destruction.

I bet you feel like a stud when you beat your grandpa in armwrestling don't you?

Yeah, as a 20 year old rookie with Scott and Anderson as his best player, and Tom Tolbert getting big minutes. Good call.

Who the fuck cares...age doesn't rmatter emember?

Anyway, in all of modern day basketball, only Dream has won with little talent on his teams, and I’m perfectly fine with Dream being called a better player than Shaq. No way in hell anyone with a brain buys that Drob was better than Shaq. Sorry, just ain’t happening.

Anyone who saw them play knows Drob was better...including Shaq...why you think he hates?

whottt

04-05-2005, 06:11 AM

San Antonio (94)

POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF TP
Reid,J.R. F 25 5- 9 2- 4 0- 0 1- 8 0 1 1 1 4 12
Ellis,Dale F 40 7-15 2- 2 1- 5 1- 9 0 1 0 3 2 17
Robinson,David C 44 9-20 5- 7 0- 0 3-16 7 4 3 2 3 23
Daniels,Lloyd G 36 3-14 0- 0 0- 1 6-11 1 3 1 2 5 6
Johnson,Avery G 35 0- 8 6- 8 0- 0 0- 2 13 2 0 0 2 6
Carr,Antoine 25 11-15 1- 2 0- 0 4- 7 0 0 1 1 3 23
Anderson,Willie 15 0- 2 0- 0 0- 0 0- 1 1 1 0 0 1 0
Del Negro,Vinny 18 3- 4 1- 2 0- 0 0- 1 1 0 0 3 3 7
Smith,Larry 2 0- 0 0- 0 0- 0 0- 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
TOTALS 240 38-87 17-25 1- 6 15-55 23 12 6 12 23 94

FG %: .437 FT %: .680 Three %: .167 Team Rebs: 7 Team TOs: 2

Orlando (90)

POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF TP
Tolbert,Tom F 24 2- 6 2- 4 1- 1 2- 4 1 0 0 0 1 7
Bowie,Anthony F 28 1- 6 1- 2 0- 0 1- 4 2 1 0 3 1 3
O'Neal,Shaquille C 34 8-18 3- 5 0- 0 2-13 2 0 3 3 4 19
Anderson,Nick G 38 10-26 4- 6 6-10 3- 7 0 0 0 3 2 30
Skiles,Scott G 32 4-11 0- 0 2- 5 1- 4 7 0 0 2 5 10
Scott,Dennis 13 2- 7 0- 0 0- 2 0- 1 0 0 0 1 1 4
Kite,Greg 9 0- 1 0- 0 0- 0 0- 4 0 0 1 0 1 0
Royal,Donald 21 0- 1 5- 6 0- 0 3- 4 4 2 1 2 0 5
Williams,Brian 12 1- 4 0- 0 0- 1 2- 6 0 2 2 0 2 2
Kerr,Steve 17 1- 2 4- 4 0- 0 1- 2 3 0 0 1 2 6
Turner,Jeff 12 1- 4 2- 2 0- 0 1- 2 0 0 0 0 2 4
TOTALS 240 30-86 21-29 9-19 16-51 19 5 7 15 21 90

FG %: .349 FT %: .724 Three %: .474 Team Rebs: 8 Team TOs: 0

San Antonio 27 26 20 21 -- 94
Orlando 19 21 23 27 -- 90

Officials: DAN CRAWFORD, EDDIE F. RUSH, TOMMIE WOOD
Attendance: 15151 Time of Game: 2:15

Ass kicking! Shit it looks like Shaq had better teamates as a rookie than Drob did. Too bad he couldn't get to the playoffs.

whottt

04-05-2005, 06:12 AM

Orlando (93)

POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF TP
Bowie,Anthony F 31 6-12 0- 0 0- 2 0- 4 4 0 0 1 1 12
Tolbert,Tom F 36 8- 9 1- 1 1- 1 0- 5 1 0 1 0 4 18
O'Neal,Shaquille C 32 7-11 1- 5 0- 0 3-13 1 1 2 8 5 15
Anderson,Nick G 40 9-20 4- 6 2- 6 0- 7 3 3 0 1 3 24
Green,Litterial G 42 5-11 2- 2 0- 0 1- 2 8 0 1 4 3 12
Royal,Donald 30 4- 9 2- 2 0- 0 4- 5 4 2 1 2 2 10
Kite,Greg 18 1- 3 0- 2 0- 0 2- 6 1 0 0 0 6 2
Kerr,Steve 6 0- 1 0- 0 0- 0 0- 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
Turner,Jeff 5 0- 1 0- 0 0- 0 0- 2 0 0 0 0 1 0
TOTALS 240 40-77 10-18 3- 9 10-44 23 6 5 16 25 93

FG %: .519 FT %: .556 Three %: .333 Team Rebs: 7 Team TOs: 0

San Antonio (96)

POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF TP
Elliott,Sean F 35 4-10 7- 9 0- 1 2- 4 2 0 0 1 0 15
Reid,J.R. F 18 4- 8 2- 2 0- 0 1- 5 1 1 0 2 4 10
Robinson,David C 43 11-20 8-12 0- 0 1- 7 4 3 1 2 3 30
Ellis,Dale G 24 3-12 0- 0 0- 5 0- 3 1 0 1 1 0 6
Johnson,Avery G 40 5-12 0- 0 0- 0 2- 2 9 2 0 3 4 10
Carr,Antoine 31 6-11 2- 3 0- 0 1- 8 4 0 1 2 4 14
Daniels,Lloyd 18 3- 6 0- 0 1- 1 4- 7 1 0 1 0 0 7
Anderson,Willie 17 1- 1 2- 2 0- 0 0- 1 4 1 1 1 1 4
Del Negro,Vinny 7 0- 0 0- 0 0- 0 0- 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Smith,Larry 5 0- 1 0- 0 0- 0 1- 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Mack,Sam 2 0- 1 0- 0 0- 0 0- 0 0 0 0 2 1 0
TOTALS 240 37-82 21-28 1- 7 12-38 26 7 5 14 17 96

FG %: .451 FT %: .750 Three %: .143 Team Rebs: 8 Team TOs: 0

Orlando 26 17 24 26 -- 93
San Antonio 23 19 29 25 -- 96

Officials: DARELL GARRETSON, TOMMY NUNEZ, KEN MAUER
Attendance: 16057 Time of Game: 0:00

Another ass kicking for fat Snaq!

whottt

04-05-2005, 06:14 AM

San Antonio (94) @ Orlando (84) 12/03/93

San Antonio (94)

POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF TP
Rodman,Dennis F 39 2- 6 0- 0 0- 0 8-23 4 1 1 0 4 4
Anderson,Willie F 41 7-19 2- 3 0- 1 1- 2 9 0 0 2 2 16
Robinson,David C 45 6-17 11-14 0- 0 3-11 10 4 2 3 5 23
Ellis,Dale G 35 8-14 4- 6 2- 3 1- 4 0 2 0 2 3 22
Knight,Negele G 37 6-11 2- 3 0- 0 2- 3 1 1 1 2 5 14
Whitney,Chris 1 0- 0 0- 0 0- 0 0- 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Reid,J.R. 12 2- 7 4- 4 0- 0 1- 2 1 1 0 2 3 8
Del Negro,Vinny 16 2- 5 0- 0 0- 1 0- 1 0 0 0 0 1 4
Floyd,Sleepy 14 1- 1 1- 2 0- 0 1- 2 0 0 0 0 0 3
TOTALS 240 34-80 24-32 2- 5 17-49 25 9 4 11 23 94

FG %: .425 FT %: .750 Three %: .400 Team Rebs: 11 Team TOs: 0

Orlando (84)

POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF TP
Anderson,Nick F 35 5-12 0- 0 1- 2 1- 8 2 1 0 1 2 11
Turner,Jeff F 22 3- 5 1- 2 0- 0 0- 1 0 1 0 0 2 7
O'Neal,Shaquille C 43 9-17 3- 6 0- 0 5-19 1 1 3 4 3 21
Hardaway,Anfernee G 34 4- 9 1- 1 1- 3 1- 3 4 2 0 1 2 10
Skiles,Scott G 35 4-10 5- 6 0- 3 0- 0 7 0 0 6 4 13
Kite,Greg 5 0- 0 0- 2 0- 0 0- 0 0 0 0 0 1 0
Scott,Dennis 25 4-12 1- 2 1- 7 0- 2 3 0 0 1 4 10
Royal,Donald 23 1- 3 4- 8 0- 0 3- 3 2 1 1 0 4 6
Bowie,Anthony 18 3- 5 0- 0 0- 0 1- 1 0 0 0 0 1 6
TOTALS 240 33-73 15-27 3-15 11-37 19 6 4 13 23 84

FG %: .452 FT %: .556 Three %: .200 Team Rebs: 9 Team TOs: 0

San Antonio 30 22 20 22 -- 94
Orlando 23 18 21 22 -- 84

Officials: J CRAWFORD, Ron Olesiak, D JONES
Attendance: 15291 Time of Game: 2:11

Here Snaq...how about a nice triple double shoved up your ass courtesy of the Admiral.

And if you want he's got a 50 point game he can shove up your buttbuddy Alonzo's ass too.

whottt

04-05-2005, 06:16 AM

Orlando (103) @ San Antonio (111) 03/06/94

Orlando (103)

POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF TP
Avent,Anthony F 21 2- 4 0- 0 0- 0 2- 4 0 0 1 0 2 4
Scott,Dennis F 41 8-14 1- 2 4- 6 1- 3 6 1 2 1 3 21
O'Neal,Shaquille C 39 11-20 10-15 0- 0 3-11 2 1 0 3 5 32
Hardaway,Anfernee G 37 4-19 3- 4 1- 3 3- 6 2 2 0 4 2 12
Anderson,Nick G 35 7-12 0- 0 1- 4 0- 3 5 0 0 0 1 15
Rollins,Tree 12 1- 1 1- 2 0- 0 1- 3 2 0 0 1 1 3
Skiles,Scott 11 2- 3 0- 0 2- 2 0- 0 2 0 0 1 1 6
Krystkowiak,Larry 22 2- 4 0- 0 0- 0 3- 4 1 1 0 1 4 4
Bowie,Anthony 13 3- 4 0- 0 0- 0 0- 1 0 0 0 0 0 6
Royal,Donald 9 0- 0 0- 0 0- 0 0- 0 0 0 0 0 2 0
TOTALS 240 40-81 15-23 8-15 13-35 20 5 3 11 21 103

FG %: .494 FT %: .652 Three %: .533 Team Rebs: 9 Team TOs: 0

San Antonio (111)

POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF TP
Ellis,Dale F 41 9-13 1- 2 3- 5 3- 6 4 1 0 0 1 22
Reid,J.R. F 27 2- 9 2- 4 0- 0 0- 3 2 0 1 0 1 6
Robinson,David C 40 14-26 8- 8 0- 0 5-13 7 3 6 4 4 36
Del Negro,Vinny G 25 6-11 0- 0 0- 1 2- 3 3 0 0 1 1 12
Anderson,Willie G 42 7-15 0- 0 0- 0 2- 6 8 1 0 1 3 14
Rodman,Dennis 27 3- 5 0- 0 0- 0 5-10 0 0 0 2 2 6
Carr,Antoine 25 3- 6 2- 2 0- 0 0- 1 0 0 0 1 4 8
Floyd,Sleepy 13 1- 3 5- 7 0- 0 0- 3 4 1 0 0 2 7
TOTALS 240 45-88 18-23 3- 6 17-45 28 6 7 9 18 111

FG %: .511 FT %: .783 Three %: .500 Team Rebs: 8 Team TOs: 0

Orlando 36 25 25 17 -- 103
San Antonio 30 24 20 37 -- 111

Officials: Tommie Wood, Mike Mathis, Joe Forte
Attendance: 34325 Time of Game: 2:26

Don't like triple doubles?...here's a near quadruple double...on Snaq's fatass again courtesy of the Admiral...

samikeyp

04-05-2005, 06:18 AM

LOL, the Sportsmanship and Community Assist awards? Stick to basketball, those are worthless awards (and so is the IBM, no one takes it seriously). Oh, and missed a few things have we? 3-time Finals MVP, 3-time champion, 3-time (not 2-time) All Defensive Team member including a first team in 03, 12-time (not 11-time) All Star, 6-time (not 4-time) All NBA first teamer.

Hey, you mentioned awards and stats....I just posted them. No opinions, no bias, no insults, just the numbers for all to mull over. I got those from NBA.com. Your issue is with them not me, although you feel the need to be an asshole about it. I was under the impression you were better than that.

whottt

04-05-2005, 06:21 AM

Detroit (96) @ San Antonio (115) 02/17/94

Detroit (96)

POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF TP
Elliott,Sean F 44 9-21 2- 2 0- 1 0- 2 2 0 0 0 0 20
Mills,Terry F 43 7-17 3- 5 1- 3 3-16 2 0 1 4 6 18
Anderson,Greg C 22 3- 5 1- 2 0- 0 6- 8 0 2 0 0 3 7
Thomas,Isiah G 14 2-10 1- 2 0- 0 1- 1 1 0 0 1 3 5
Houston,Allan G 38 4-14 2- 2 0- 2 0- 1 2 0 0 2 1 10
Hunter,Lindsey 34 12-24 2- 3 0- 3 3- 7 2 2 0 2 4 26
Jones,Charles 29 1- 2 0- 0 0- 0 3-10 0 0 0 0 6 2
Macon,Mark 10 4- 4 0- 0 0- 0 1- 2 0 2 0 1 3 8
Liberty,Marcus 6 0- 0 0- 0 0- 0 0- 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
TOTALS 240 42-97 11-16 1- 9 17-47 9 6 1 10 26 96

FG %: .433 FT %: .688 Three %: .111 Team Rebs: 7 Team TOs: 0

San Antonio (115)

POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF TP
Ellis,Dale F 35 9-15 0- 0 1- 6 0- 2 1 1 0 1 1 19
Rodman,Dennis F 42 0- 1 1- 2 0- 0 4-22 5 1 0 1 4 1
Robinson,David C 43 12-20 10-17 0- 0 5-10 10 2 10 1 1 34
Del Negro,Vinny G 28 9-17 5- 5 0- 1 1- 7 3 0 0 1 1 23
Anderson,Willie G 23 2- 4 2- 2 0- 0 0- 1 2 0 2 0 3 6
Reid,J.R. 27 4- 8 5- 6 0- 0 4- 5 1 0 0 0 0 13
Knight,Negele 15 2- 5 0- 0 0- 0 0- 0 1 2 1 2 1 4
Floyd,Sleepy 20 4- 8 2- 2 0- 1 0- 0 6 0 0 1 2 10
Daniels,Lloyd 3 0- 1 0- 0 0- 1 0- 1 2 1 0 0 0 0
Haley,Jack 2 1- 2 0- 0 0- 0 0- 0 0 0 0 0 0 2
Whitney,Chris 2 1- 2 0- 0 1- 2 0- 0 0 0 0 0 0 3
TOTALS 240 44-83 25-34 2-11 14-48 31 7 13 7 13 115

FG %: .530 FT %: .735 Three %: .182 Team Rebs: 6 Team TOs: 0

Detroit 20 27 21 28 -- 96
San Antonio 22 28 31 34 -- 115

Officials: Hue Hollins, Ronnie Nunn, Jim Kinsey
Attendance: 19451 Time of Game: 2:02

Speaking of quadruple doubles...does Snaq have one of those?

No he doesn't...like 99% of the rest of the players in NBA history...

How about this?

San Antonio (112) @ LA Clippers (97) 04/24/94

San Antonio (112)

POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF TP
Cummings,Terry F 22 2-10 1- 2 0- 0 6-12 2 0 0 1 0 5
Rodman,Dennis F 36 4- 5 0- 0 0- 0 3-17 3 1 1 2 1 8
Robinson,David C 44 26-41 18-25 1- 2 4-14 5 0 2 8 2 71
Del Negro,Vinny G 26 1- 3 0- 0 0- 0 0- 2 6 4 0 2 2 2
Daniels,Lloyd G 25 2- 7 0- 0 0- 2 0- 2 1 2 1 3 2 4
Knight,Negele 24 3- 6 0- 0 0- 0 0- 0 5 0 1 0 2 6
Floyd,Sleepy 23 1- 5 1- 4 1- 2 1- 5 6 0 0 4 3 4
Carr,Antoine 24 2- 2 0- 0 0- 0 0- 1 0 1 0 0 1 4
Reid,J.R. 12 2- 6 2- 2 0- 0 3- 4 0 0 0 1 2 6
Haley,Jack 4 1- 2 0- 0 0- 0 0- 1 0 0 0 0 2 2
TOTALS 240 44-87 22-33 2- 6 17-58 28 8 5 21 17 112

FG %: .506 FT %: .667 Three %: .333 Team Rebs: 10 Team TOs: 0

LA Clippers (97)

POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF TP
Wilkins,Dominique F 21 6-17 3- 4 1- 3 0- 1 2 1 0 1 2 16
Vaught,Loy F 25 7-10 2- 2 0- 0 2- 4 1 0 0 0 4 16
Spencer,Elmore C 5 0- 0 0- 0 0- 0 0- 1 0 0 1 1 2 0
Jackson,Mark G 16 1- 6 0- 0 0- 1 2- 3 6 2 0 0 0 2
Harper,Ron G 20 2- 6 0- 0 0- 0 0- 3 0 1 1 4 0 4
Martin,Bob 20 1- 2 0- 0 0- 0 0- 4 1 0 2 1 4 2
Outlaw,Charles 27 2- 5 0- 0 0- 0 3- 6 0 1 3 1 6 4
Dehere,Terry 28 10-17 4- 4 2- 3 2- 3 2 1 0 2 0 26
Grant,Gary 14 2- 4 0- 0 0- 0 0- 1 4 2 0 2 0 4
Ellis,Harold 27 6-15 2- 4 0- 1 1- 6 0 2 0 0 5 14
Williams,John 19 1- 4 0- 0 0- 2 0- 4 2 2 0 2 2 2
Woods,Randy 18 1- 9 4- 6 1- 8 2- 3 5 2 0 2 3 7
TOTALS 240 39-95 15-20 4-18 12-39 23 14 7 16 28 97

FG %: .411 FT %: .750 Three %: .222 Team Rebs: 8 Team TOs: 0

San Antonio 20 17 32 43 -- 112
LA Clippers 19 16 32 30 -- 97

Officials: HOLLINS, MIDDLETON, FINE
Attendance: 16005 Time of Game: 2:09

That's called a 70 point game and only two Centers in NBA history have them...

Just like only two centers have ever lead the league in blocks rebounding and scoring....

Just like only two centers have ever lead a post season in blocks and rebounds....

Who the fuck was dominant?

The .50% lead Shaq has in FG% is more than negated by the 2.0 deficit he has at the FT line.

Shaq was a slightly better scorer than DRob and that is it....

Drob was a better shooter, a better passer, he was more durable, he was more versatile...and most importantly...he wasn't an idiot and he didn't make shitty movies.

And he fucking owned Shaq, and Shaq knows it, and that's the reality right there....

You go listen to interviews and you see who mentions who more....I gurantee you Shaq talks about Drob a hell of alot more than Drob mentions Shaq.

Kaster

04-05-2005, 06:27 AM

I think the fact that he was on the team and then wasn't is telling...Rodman was a pain in the Ass.

He was still a great player, no matter what.

Drob did the Shaq defending...not Duncan...and Drob was the only guy to score in double figures in every game of that post season run...Duncan had a game where he only scored 5 points...and we won.

So the hell what. What did Drob average in the 99 postseason? 15.4 ppg. What did Shaq average? 26.6. Case closed, he was no where near the first option Duncan was, and hardly owned Shaq, at all.

Don't fucking tell me we win that title without Drob.

Who said otherwise, certainly not me. You don’t seem to understand the point, he wasn’t the first option and certainly didn’t lead those two title teams to victory.

Yeah...and the Piston's also traded him when he became a fucking headcase...

LOL, headcase my ass. If he wanted to stay he would have, he didn’t want to. And of course, it’s sad that would use his off-court antics to take away from his abilities on the court. You think a lot like Drob did when pushed Rodman out with his religious beliefs. Even more ironic is the fact that Drob prevented himself from winning a title in 95-96 by letting the Spurs trade Rodman to the Bulls.

Did he win the scoring title that season?

Moot. Pay attention. He averaged 31.5/6.5/4.5/48.4% during the postseason. I don’t give a rat’s ass what he did in the regular season, no one does. No wonder you think Drob was better than Shaq, you’re enamored with regular season glory.

Why not? He put up the PPG averages to do it....dipshit...17 fucking games is 17 games...Kobe had a stretch last year where he averaged about 40 PPG for 17 games...does that me

Christ, what on earth are you babbling about. Jordan was his usual dominant self in the 94-95 playoffs, get over it kid. Just admit defeat if all you’re going to do is bring up regular season BS.

Idiot. I didn't realize just how much of an idiot you were until you just made that statement.

Apparently you were too dumb to understand the context of that sentence, of course Jordan-led Bulls teams have lost in the playoffs. Still, it’s pretty damn amazing how bad your reading comprehension is, especially since I talk about Jordan losing in the postseason later on in that very post. Figure it out.

=LMAO back to ask someone else....I don't need to fucking ask someone else.

LMAO, you should ask someone else who knows basketball, because you certainly don’t.

..go see who had more MVP votes that season(that's another one of your school girl criteria, so do it)

:rollin Jordan played 17 games in the regular season son. Man, can you really be this dumb?

Shaq wasn't the reason we lost a series to you until last year...Kobe was the reason..You just weren't watching.

Shaq was always the primary eason, even when Kobe had the big series in 2001. Only an idiot would suggest otherwise. And since I’m talking to whottt, I suppose it’s fitting.

He was the primary option...for 1 game...in the 2001 playoffs after Duncan had a 9 point game...and he whupped up on Shaq and put his fat ass on the bench in foul trouble...that didn't stop Kobe and Fisher from destroying though...

For one game? Is that really the best you can muster, one game? Pathetic.

You are an idiot if you expected Drob to put up similar numbers to his youth when he was only getting half as many touches and getting the ball with about 7 seconds left on the clock..

You’re the idiot that suggested otherwise. Read your own garbage son.

Only because he had to face the team that beat Shaq before the finals...idiot.

He had no control over who he played, not his fault. And he still beat a Jordan-led Bulls team, Drob never did. Get…over…it.

So in otherwords...he's not the only one to do it...so STFU.

You should have figured it out the first time. Damn your reading comp sucks.

That wouldn't be the same Jackson who won Shaq won his titles with right? He doesn't count according to you...why bring it up? It's all Shaq.

What? And no, you’re the one that didn’t want to count the Lakers titles. And yet, Drob still doesn’t stack up.

What?

It’s not hard to explain, Drob didn’t want him on the team, so he was gone.

It's very refutable...unless your idea of success is this:

Sweep
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Nope, not total success, but certainly more than David Robinson, making Shaq a better player (among numerous other things I have mentioned before). That point keeps flying over your head.

bet you feel like a stud when you beat your grandpa in armwrestling don't you?

Hell, put 28 year old Shaq on 28 year old Drob. Still complete destruction.

Who the fuck cares...age doesn't rmatter emember?

Actually no, that was my argument against you not wanting to use Drob’s post-injury numbers. Yet for some reason you keep bringing them up, so I decided to use age too. Jesus you’re a dumb SOB, your reading comp is sorry.

Anyone who saw them play knows Drob was better...including Shaq...why you think he hates?

Take a poll on any board, anywhere (excluding biased boards like Spur or Lakers or Magic boards). You’ll get laughed off and some. It’s fact. Don’t believe me? Do it yourself kid, and come back to me with the results. Just straight up ask, who was better, Shaq or Drob. You’ll get owned.

Kaster

04-05-2005, 06:33 AM

Shaq was a slightly better scorer than DRob and that is it....

This pretty much sums up your idiocy. To believe this, well....you're just not that smart if you really do believe it. But hey, you can't prove otherwise (while I can) that Shaq was better, and you can't even take a poll of fans that actually know about basketball. Hell, Drob doesn't even own Shaq in the very box scores you list. That's just beyond sad. And that's all before Shaq turned 24.

Man, just sad sad sad.

whottt

04-05-2005, 06:48 AM

He was still a great player, no matter what.

So the hell what. What did Drob average in the 99 postseason? 15.4 ppg. What did Shaq average? 26.6. Case closed, he was no where near the first option Duncan was, and hardly owned Shaq, at all.

He was the first option on defense...and we won that title because of our defense. Fantasy League boy.

Who said otherwise, certainly not me. You don’t seem to understand the point, he wasn’t the first option and certainly didn’t lead those two title teams to victory.

That was a philosophical decision...and since that was the only twin tower combo to ever win a title...it was probably the correct one...One anchors the O, one anchors the D...

If you don't think Drob could have scored on the freaking Knicks you are on crack.

LOL, headcase my ass. If he wanted to stay he would have, he didn’t want to. And of course, it’s sad that would use his off-court antics to take away from his abilities on the court.

You gotta be fucking kidding me? Do you have any idea the kind of shit Rodman pulled on this team?

You think a lot like Drob did when pushed Rodman out with his religious beliefs. Even more ironic is the fact that Drob prevented himself from winning a title in 95-96 by letting the Spurs trade Rodman to the Bulls.

Um Rodman couldn't get us past the Jazz...

But that's okay becasue fucking Shaq couldn't get past the jazz either...even with a freaking All Star Team backing him up...until they got old.

What's sickening is you actually admire Rodman more than Robinson...you a fucked up individual...doesn't surprise me you are a Lakerfan...

I bet Kobe's rape accusations earned your respect too...

I am sure Rodman will be glad to give you herpes..give him a call.

No wonder you think Drob was better than Shaq, you’re enamored with regular season glory.

Ok...let's talk post season...what about that year Shaq had a 500 record and failed to make it? Ooops.

LMAO, you should ask someone else who knows basketball, because you certainly don’t.

Ok expert on MVP award voting...

For one game? Is that really the best you can muster, one game? Pathetic.

It's the only game Drob got the ball as the primary option...unfortunately Drob getting the ball wasn't a form of defense on Kobe.

He had no control over who he played, not his fault. And he still beat a Jordan-led Bulls team, Drob never did. Get…over…it.

Neither did Hakeem...

This is really a stupid line of thinking...

I could just as easily say Shaq never beat a Drexler lead Blazers Team...

What does that prove? Other than they played in opposite conferences...

Here's the deal idiot...

Rockets VS Magic 4-0
Rockets VS Spurs 4-2

What? And no, you’re the one that didn’t want to count the Lakers titles. And yet, Drob still doesn’t stack up.

Teams win titles...not individuals...ask the Pistons....

It’s not hard to explain, Drob didn’t want him on the team, so he was gone.

Yeah he was and the entire city of SA was happy to see him go...and it had nothing to do with religion...it had to do with the fact that he was a major freaking disruptive presence...had he shown up and rebounded it would have been one thing...but he didn't...

Nope, not total success, but certainly more than David Robinson, making Shaq a better player (among numerous other things I have mentioned before). That point keeps flying over your head.

Hell, put 28 year old Shaq on 28 year old Drob. Still complete destruction.

Laughing my fucking ass off....28 year old Shaq on 38 year old Drob wouldn't have been complete destruction.

Take a poll on any board, anywhere (excluding biased boards like Spur or Lakers or Magic boards). You’ll get laughed off and some. It’s fact. Don’t believe me? Do it yourself kid, and come back to me with the results. Just straight up ask, who was better, Shaq or Drob. You’ll get owned.

You are a weakminded individual...and you repeatedly show it when you resort to any other forum, these people would say blah blah...

I think you belong gossiping with old women and knitting instead of trying to win an objective sports debate...

Just because it's not a popularly believed truth doesn't make it any less true.

samikeyp

04-05-2005, 06:52 AM

To believe this, well....you're just not that smart if you really do believe it.

So...if people don't believe the same as you...they're idiots?

whottt

04-05-2005, 06:54 AM

This pretty much sums up your idiocy. To believe this, well....you're just not that smart if you really do believe it.
The evidence is all there....I am still waiting for yours....

"People will say" isn't evidence...an neither is having Kobe Bryant instead of Vinny Del Negro.

But hey, you can't prove otherwise (while I can) that Shaq was better,

You are tight I can't prove Shaq was better...

#1. He wasn't.
#2.Why would I want to? Clown.

Hell, Drob doesn't even own Shaq in the very box scores you list. That's just beyond sad. And that's all before Shaq turned 24.

If you look some of Shaq's best stats came from those years...he was still Shaq...and if Drob being 38 doesn't matter then Shaq being 20 doesn't matter.

The bottom line is that Drob beat Shaq more than Shaq beat him...plaoffs regular season...even when Drob was old and past SuperStar Status...while Shaq had a bonafide AS alongside him.

Man, just sad sad sad.

I've seen you a million times before my friend...and you are always wrong.

smeagol

04-05-2005, 09:13 AM

How can you defend that lame fatass with such passion?

It's sickening . . .

Kaster

04-05-2005, 06:09 PM

He was the first option on defense...and we won that title because of our defense. Fantasy League boy.

First option on defense? Get that shit out of here. :lol He was never the first option on offense, and was never the leader of those two championship Spurs teams. Duncan was, get over it.

That was a philosophical decision...and since that was the only twin tower combo to ever win a title...it was probably the correct one...One anchors the O, one anchors the D...

Overall, Tim Duncan was the leader of those two title teams, offensively and defensively, especially the 03 title squad. To deny this is ridiculous. Then again, you've been nothing but ridiculous with your arguments here.

If you don't think Drob could have scored on the freaking Knicks you are on crack.

Right right, he chose to score fewer points. I'm sure he did the same in 2003 too. Surrrre. :rolleyes

You gotta be fucking kidding me? Do you have any idea the kind of shit Rodman pulled on this team?

Who cares what he pulled there off the court, he's arguably the greatest rebounding/defending PF of the 90's. It shouldn't matter if he was a fucking Nazi, the dude brought it to the court night in and night out, and instead of keeping him the Spurs dumped him onto the Bulls and prevented their own franchise player from winning a championship in 95-96.

Um Rodman couldn't get us past the Jazz...

Right, so you dumped him for....Will freaking Purdue. Nice upgrade, I'm sure he was more vital to the Spurs' success against the Jazz.

But that's okay becasue fucking Shaq couldn't get past the jazz either...even with a freaking All Star Team backing him up...until they got old.

"Until they got old". Shaq wasn't even 24 years old when he led his team to the Finals and beat the Jordan-led Bulls in 95. Drob was smack in the middle of his prime with Dennis Rodman and very solid role players like Elliott and Avery and he still couldn't accomplish jack shit. If he wasn't so intent on getting his points outside of the paint maybe he would have been able to dominate offensively the way Shaq has been able to do his entire career and the way Malone was able to do when he was beating the Spurs.

What's sickening is you actually admire Rodman more than Robinson...you a fucked up individual...doesn't surprise me you are a Lakerfan...

LMAO. Point out where I said that son. You won't be able to, cause it never happened. And no, I don't give a fuck what these players do off the court (for the most part), I care about skill and titles. Shaq had IT, and won titles.

I am sure Rodman will be glad to give you herpes..give him a call.

I really have no interest in your sex life.

Ok...let's talk post season...what about that year Shaq had a 500 record and failed to make it? Ooops.

As a 20 year old rookie with Nick Anderson and Dennis Scott as his best players? Yeah, what a failure. Hell, look at that scrub Kareem Abdul Jabbar, fool missed the playoffs with the Bucks in his prime. What a dolt.

Look at titles, leadership, dominance, etc. Shaq > Drob. Dream > Drob. Jabbar > Drob.

It's the only game Drob got the ball as the primary option...unfortunately Drob getting the ball wasn't a form of defense on Kobe.

You're delusional. If Drob was a still able to score close to the level he was able to before the back injury, the Spurs would have gone to him just as much as they did with Duncan. They didn't, because he wasn't able to do it anymore physically, and they needed him for his defense more than his offense anyway. He succeeded for a single game. Congrats, you proved my point; Shaq dominated night in and night out throughout his entire career, Drob did not, he suffered a back injury, and wasn't the same afterwards. Maybe if he never suffered that injury he would have become greater than Shaq. As is, no.

Neither did Hakeem...

Yeah, Hakeem won two titles instead. Read the other part kid, I listed it right there in front of you; Drob never beat a Jordan-led Bulls team AND never lead his team to a championship. And of course, Dream did it with garbage teammates and a poor X's and O's coach in Rudy T in 94. Extremely impressive.

This is really a stupid line of thinking...

I could just as easily say Shaq never beat a Drexler lead Blazers Team...

Are you stupid and high? What the hell did a Drexler-led Blazers team ever accomplish? Take a wild guess as to why I'm referencing the Jordan-led Chicago Bulls in the 90's. I'll give you a hint; they won stuff.

What does that prove? Other than they played in opposite conferences...

It proves Shaq beat very good competition with a similar supporting cast to Drob. This is pretty simple logic.

Here's the deal idiot...

Rockets VS Magic 4-0
Rockets VS Spurs 4-2

Wow, you seriously don't get it. Oh well, no point in explaining it further if you still reference that garbage.

Teams win titles...not individuals...ask the Pistons....

Good point. But Shaq's still better. The world agrees. Take a look at a local poll done yesterday: http://web.basketballboards.net/forum/showthread.php?t=155878

You're through.

Yeah he was and the entire city of SA was happy to see him go...

Makes sense I suppose, some Spurs fans don't know talent from a hole in the ground.

and it had nothing to do with religion...it had to do with the fact that he was a major freaking disruptive presence...had he shown up and rebounded it would have been one thing...but he didn't...

Yeah, that fool was a disruptive influence on the Pistons and Bulls too, in route to 5 titles.

Boy, you're really getting pounded.

Laughing my fucking ass off....28 year old Shaq on 38 year old Drob wouldn't have been complete destruction.

Uh, it already was complete destruction. Where the hell were you between 1999 and 2003. :lol

You are a weakminded individual...and you repeatedly show it when you resort to any other forum, these people would say blah blah...

How so? Do you know those posters, or the reasoning behind their opinions? Do you truly believe you're right when everyone else gives good reasons as to why you're wrong, and the best argument you can use to dismiss their points is....Shaq was in a bigger market!!!!! No wonder you think you're right, you can't think period.

I think you belong gossiping with old women and knitting instead of trying to win an objective sports debate...

That was pretty bad, stick to your asinine NBA reasoning and forget the slapstick comedy act.

Just because it's not a popularly believed truth doesn't make it any less true.

There's nothing "popular" about it. It's as close to fact as you're going to get without it being a matematical fucking formula.

Here's the link again, with perfectly good reasons (from Spurs fans too) about why Shaq > Drob. It's not hard to understand. http://web.basketballboards.net/forum/showthread.php?t=155878

The evidence is all there....I am still waiting for yours....

The bottom line is that Drob beat Shaq more than Shaq beat him...plaoffs regular season...even when Drob was old and past SuperStar Status...while Shaq had a bonafide AS alongside him.

There is no bottom line, because Drob still wasn’t anywhere near the leader or first option of those 99-03 Spurs teams, Tim Duncan was. Shaq was most certainly the leader of the 99-03 Laker teams, with arguably Kobe sharing it in 02 and 03. Drob didn’t come anywhere close to Duncan, most notably after 99. Your insistence that he did is completely debunked by his statistical production during those years, And of course, even between 92 and 96, Drob still couldn't dominate Shaq (even statistically), a young Shaq (20-24 year old Shaq) at that, with Drob right in the middle of his prime those years.

You’re sad, and you’ve been beaten. Dump the “big market” garbage in the trash.

whottt

04-05-2005, 06:31 PM

You are an idiot...

You entire fucking arugment is based on

1.What people think.
2.Awards that are voted on by people with a bias.
3.A Finals appearance in which Shaq's team got it's ass kicked worse than Drob's team.
4.Titles won by teams.
5.Misguided definitions of leadership.

Flaw in point number 1:
What people think is irrelevant...I am aware of what people think you idiot...that's the big reason why I say Shaq's reputation is media created...

Flaw in point number 2:
Goes hand in hand with flaw number 1...The finals MVP point is moot since without a good team and guys like Horry hitting buzzer beaters Shaq wouldn't have been in the finals to win those MVP's.

Flaw in point number 3:
Shaq lost to the same team the Spurs lost too...and he did it worse...had he played the Rockets in the first round he would have lost in the first round....you idiot.

And losing in the finals isn't considered winning anyway...ask the Bills.

Flaw in point number 4:
Robert Horry has more rings than Shaq...including one at Shaq's expense...I guess that means he's better than Shaq since Shaq hasn't won a ring without him and Horry played a role in every title he won.

Flaw in point number 5:
Tim Duncan wasn't the leader of the 99 title team and he would be the first to tell you that. There are many forms of leadership and subjugating your ego for the good of the team is certainly a form of leadership...even if it means idiots like you are going to not recognize the contribution because a guy couldn't score 20ppg taking 5 shots per game in stead of 15.

Fuck off...you haven't done shit except spout opinion...

I showed you the W-L...I showed you the dominating performances...I showed you what Drob did that Shaq didn't...I showed you the statistical superiority.

The only way you can put Shaq on Drob's level is by ignoring the contributions of teamates and spouting off about finals sweeps...Mano a Mano Drob owned his fat ass. And he's the guy that did stuff that Shaq hasn't even come close to doing.

TDfan2007

04-05-2005, 07:02 PM

MY GOD!!!!!!!

WHOTT & KASTOR HAVE NO LIVES :nerd

SHEESH, GIVE IT A BREAK!!!!!

Shaq was better because he had a killer instinct. He led his team to 3 straight titles.

DRob was a great player (and a much better person), but Shaq was a better player.

whottt

04-05-2005, 07:05 PM

How come Shaq hasn't lead his team to a title every year? I mean all Shaq has to do is lead...teamates have nothing to do with it right?

It's such a weak argument...it's like saying I am the fastest man in the world because I drive a lamborghini....

TheWriter

04-05-2005, 07:07 PM

Whott and Kaster indeed have no real social lives.

samikeyp

04-06-2005, 02:23 PM

Right right, he chose to score fewer points. I'm sure he did the same in 2003 too. Surrrre.

Actually...he did. He and Popovich recognized that the team would be more successful with Duncan as the first option. He agreed to a different role on the team...one focused more on defense and rebounding than scoring.

Kaster

04-06-2005, 07:47 PM

Flaw in point number 1:
What people think is irrelevant...

No, it isn't. That's called idiot logic. No one knows everything, that's why you listen to fans, players, coaches, etc. to learn more about the game and expand your knowledge. Pertending that your opinion is right while ignoring what other sane, logical people think is just plain idiocy period.

I am aware of what people think you idiot...that's the big reason why I say Shaq's reputation is media created...

No, what you're doing is assuming fans (specifically the ones in the thread I linked) developed their opinion of Shaq or Drob based on what the media had to say. You'd be dead wrong too, that's not the case with the majority of fans, especially fans that follow Shaq and Drob closely.

Flaw in point number 2:
Goes hand in hand with flaw number 1...The finals MVP point is moot since without a good team and guys like Horry hitting buzzer beaters Shaq wouldn't have been in the finals to win those MVP's.

True, team accomplishments don't usually translate into individual ability, but the problem you have grasping is that Drob had a very similarly talented supporting cast in 94 and 95 to Shaq's teammates, and yet he did worse than Shaq. That by itself doesn't prove my point entirely, but Shaq's six additional years of MVP-level play over Drob (fact) and his ability to dominate a game like no other are just some of the other supporting evidence I've given you, and you've ignored because Drob played in SA and that's a small market....yet your point can't be proven because the media had an equal opportunity to watch Shaq or Drob during their careers.

Flaw in point number 3:
Shaq lost to the same team the Spurs lost too...and he did it worse...had he played the Rockets in the first round he would have lost in the first round....you idiot.

He also beat the Bulls, you complete moron and sorry excuse for an NBA fan. Get it through that thick skull of yours.

And losing in the finals isn't considered winning anyway...ask the Bills.

I never argued otherwise, but getting to the Finals is certainly considering "winning" more than David Robinson ever did before Duncan. That's fact son, get over it.

Flaw in point number 4:
Robert Horry has more rings than Shaq...

You're not very intelligent. Horry was no where near the first option, leader, and certainly had no where near the same production as either Shaq or Drob. Nice try though kid. Next.

including one at Shaq's expense...I guess that means he's better than Shaq since Shaq hasn't won a ring without him and Horry played a role in every title he won.

Boy you're dumb. :lol

Flaw in point number 5:
Tim Duncan wasn't the leader of the 99 title team and he would be the first to tell you that.

He'd tell you that because he's such a modest and good guy. Anyone with two eyes and the ability to read statistics will tell you he was the leader, 1st option, and best player on his team in 1999. Look it up son, Duncan significantly outscores at a more efficient rate, outrebounds him, outassists him, and even out blocks him when his main job was to D up and block shots in 99 Just do the resarch: http://www.basketballreference.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=DUNCATI01

There are many forms of leadership and subjugating your ego for the good of the team is certainly a form of leadership...even if it means idiots like you are going to not recognize the contribution because a guy couldn't score 20ppg taking 5 shots per game in stead of 15.

It's sad that you would argue this point, just sad. The purpose of basketball is to outscore your opponents, and the Spurs were hardly an offensive juggernaut in 1999. If they could have gotten more points out of Drob they would have asked him to do so. Denying that fact is beyond logic, but I'm not surprised by anything you say anymore.

Fuck off...you haven't done shit except spout opinion...

Backed up by stats, playoff accomplishments, awards, and general consensus. I have far FAR more support for Shaq > Drob on my side than you do on your side. That, again, is fact. Deal with it.

I showed you the W-L...

Wait there son, I thought titles and team accomplishments didn't mean anything? :lol

I showed you the dominating performances...

Anyone can isolate a few dominating performances (like that worthless gift of a 70 point game). Even Tony Delk once scored 50+ in a game.

I showed you what Drob did that Shaq didn't...

Score 70 points in one game? :lol Oh wait, you're right, he did win DPOY once, you've got me there.

I showed you the statistical superiority.

No, you didn't. You failed on that point, again.

The only way you can put Shaq on Drob's level is by ignoring the contributions of teamates and spouting off about finals sweeps...Mano a Mano Drob owned his fat ass. And he's the guy that did stuff that Shaq hasn't even come close to doing.
You're in denial.

TDfan2007

04-06-2005, 08:13 PM

Kaster and Whott: take your petty little argument out of this thread so it will die. Or you guys could always :stfu.

whottt

04-06-2005, 08:46 PM

bigbendbruisebrother

04-06-2005, 11:18 PM

Are you two still at it? Get a room.

Experiment2100

04-07-2005, 12:07 AM

Bump again.

Kaster

04-08-2005, 05:34 AM

Post something that comes from something other than your ass or STFU...because I've aleady heard your opinion polls and lame ass playoff points that I destroyed...

I am not using my opinion...I sat there and showed you where Shaq was owned by fucking Drob...in the W-L column and statistically...

No, you didn't. You ignored age, limited sample sizes, similar supporting casts, etc. You continue to do it. Just admit you got owned and let this thread die, or come up with new points. I figure you'll do neither.

I sat there and listed factually provable individual excellence that Shaq never matched...

All of it Shaq did, save for DPOY. Unless you truly believe a 70 game makes Drob > Shaq. :lol

And scored board says it all...Drob has a winning record against him.

Scoreboard doesn't say shit, after all, team success shouldn't matter right? Boy you're thick-headed. :lol

Now STFU about the stupid playoff thing or explain why fucking Shaq didn't win a title every year of his career...

You don't have to win every year to be considered better than another player. No one in history has, what a dumbass statement.

Don't even try to say LA Shaq and pre Duncan Drob had equal caliber teamates....you make a fool of yourself when you make that claim, and you piss on your franchises own SuperStar when you do that.....

I never said that, reread my previous posts. If you're still confused, take reading comp classes at the local Junior College.

Dennis Rodman did nothing offensively to aid Drob and neither did AJ...they compounded the problem and made it easy to double team David Robinson and Del Negro was a choker...

And what was Nick Anderson, Mr. Clutch? Penny was hardly a closer either. Scott hit threes, though of course Shaq was able to able to draw far more attention for him to be able to do that, Drob never could.

The only offensive help Drob had was Elliott and he fucking choked at the FT line in the first game and lost it for us...while Horry hit the game fucking winner...the same Horry that hit game winners so Shaq could get 3 fucking rings...

LOL, Shaq led the Lakers to two consecutive titles, something Drob never did, before Horry hit that shot against the Kings in 02. You beat yourself with your own argument, congrats.

Just post a fact or STFU.

Shaq > Drob. Now admit defeat and move on with your pathetic life.

whottt

04-08-2005, 06:51 AM

No, you didn't. You ignored age, limited sample sizes, similar supporting casts, etc. You continue to do it. Just admit you got owned and let this thread die, or come up with new points. I figure you'll do neither.

With similar supporting casts Shaq got swept...

Here's the deal idiot...you are the one trying to base everything on playoffs, because that's all you got...I can't help that the weakness of that argument can be used against you.

All of it Shaq did, save for DPOY. Unless you truly believe a 70 game makes Drob > Shaq. :lol

Shaq never had a quad double, Shaq never lead his team in assists, Shaq never averaged 4.5 blocks per game, Shaq never averaged 4.8 assists per games, 2.36 steals per game....

Shaq never lead an entire post season in blocks and rebounding per game, Shaq never finished in the top 5 in rebounding blocks and steals all in the same season, Shaq never finished in the top 10 in 6 different statistical categories, Shaq never lead the NBA in blocks, rebounding and scoring...

Shaq didn't win a scoring title and a DPOY...

Shaq didn't win 5 IMB unbiased awards labeling him as the player that does the most to help his team win...

Shq wasn't the first player in NBA history to make ALL NBA and All Defense his first 6 years in the NBA...Shaq wasn't responsible for the biggest single season turnaround in NBA history as a rookie...

Shaq never scored 50 points against a 2 time defensive player of the year Center...

Shaq never put a triple double on Drob...

What did Shaq do?

Won an assload of FG% titles while simultaneously being one of the worst FT% shooters in NBA history...

Got a buttload of popularity awards, a ton of media coverage, his ass kicked in the finals, swept every year of his career until he jumped ship to a better organization....

Finally won some titles when he got a coach with 6 rings, one of the most clutch roleplayers in NBA history, and a guard people like to compare to Jordan...

That's your whole fucking argument...

That year we played the Rockets our coach was a rookie...

You don't have to win every year to be considered better than another player. No one in history has, what a dumbass statement.

No, you're fucking stupid because you don't think teamates matter...you think it's an accomplisment playign a team in a later round and getting beat worse...

You are a fucking idiot with the logic of a drunk junebug.

And what was Nick Anderson, Mr. Clutch? Penny was hardly a closer either. Scott hit threes, though of course Shaq was able to able to draw far more attention for him to be able to do that, Drob never could.

How come he stopped being able to draw that attention in the finals?

I guess Kobe must really suck then because he's never shot at the PCT Scott and Anderson shot that year...

Penny was ALL NBA 1st team that year...Horace Grant was all NBA Defense 4 times and had played on 3 championship teams.

Drob never had a player that was 1st team ALL NBA alongside him in his entire career until Duncan...and he won 2 fucking titles when he got it...

LOL, Shaq led the Lakers to two consecutive titles, something Drob never did, before Horry hit that shot against the Kings in 02. You beat yourself with your own argument, congrats.

How come Shaq didn't do it every year?

C'mon dumb bitch all it takes is Shaq to win a title right?

Either explain why he didn't do it every year or else STFU.

Otherwise Horry>Shaq

Shaq > Drob. Now admit defeat and move on with your pathetic life.

Still waiting for you to post something relevant that doesn't make you sound like a Ms.America wannabe basing your whole life on what others think...

Kaster

04-09-2005, 07:23 PM

With similar supporting casts Shaq got swept...

No actually, he beat Jordan and got to the Finals. Drob never did.

Here's the deal idiot...you are the one trying to base everything on playoffs, because that's all you got...I can't help that the weakness of that argument can be used against you.

Haha, hardly. Shaq has done more in his career than Drob ever did. He was the better player for much longer, six years in fact. Statistically and in terms of impact on the court, which is why Shaq-led teams are always so good, and Drob-led teams are not.

Shaq never had a quad double,

Who gives a flying fuck. Neither did the GOAT, Michael Jordan. Get over it.

Shaq never lead his team in assists,

Again, who gives a fuck. The GOAT never led his team in assists when he was winning six titles in the 90’s.

Shaq never averaged 4.5 blocks per game, Shaq never averaged 4.8 assists per games, 2.36 steals per game....

Who the hell cares, Drob did that all in one season. In his absolute prime, sure, he was comparable to Shaq. Throughout his career no, it’s not even debatable. That’s the point kid, careers aren’t made in one season.

Shaq never lead an entire post season in blocks and rebounding per game,

So? He has in ppg and in scoring efficiency. Fact.

Shaq never finished in the top 5 in rebounding blocks and steals all in the same season,

One season. Congrats.

Shaq never finished in the top 10 in 6 different statistical categories, Shaq never lead the NBA in blocks, rebounding and scoring...

Yawn. One season.

Shaq didn't win a scoring title and a DPOY...

Yawn. One season. And besides, Shaq has won scoring titles, who gives a rats ass if it wasn’t the same year as some other award. That’s why he’s great, he’s consistent every year.

Shaq didn't win 5 IMB unbiased awards labeling him as the player that does the most to help his team win...

IBM awards? Fucking classic. :lol

Shq wasn't the first player in NBA history to make ALL NBA and All Defense his first 6 years in the NBA...

He already has several more All NBA awards than Drob because Drob only played 7 great years. Oh but wait, I thought All NBA awards were biased whottt? :lol

Shaq wasn't responsible for the biggest single season turnaround in NBA history as a rookie...

I thought that was Duncan. But again, who cares. The GOAT never did that either, and Drob is no where near the GOAT.

Shaq never scored 50 points against a 2 time defensive player of the year Center...

Haha, one game? Try 33 and 16 over five games against 4-time DPOY Dikembe Mutombo in the 2001 Finals. Yeah, slightly more impressive :rollin:

Shaq never put a triple double on Drob...

It’s sad that basically your entire stats argument centers around one-game one-time events that don’t matter in the big picture. Face it, Drob wasn’t as good as Shaq, and didn’t perform when his team needed him the most in the playoffs. That’s why his stats go down noticeably in the playoffs.

What did Shaq do?

Won an assload of FG% titles while simultaneously being one of the worst FT% shooters in NBA history...

Over his career Shaq is actually a slightly more efficient scorer than Drob when FG% and FTM are taken into account. Of course, Shaq has draw far more attention and made his teammates better in the process, while Drob never had that impact save for one season.

his ass kicked in the finals, swept every year of his career until he jumped ship to a better organization....

And those failures were still far more than Drob ever did throughout his entire career. Sad really. :lol

That's your whole fucking argument...

Not really, since I said you could ignore his Laker achievements in the playoffs if you wanted to, and even then he still had the superior success and stats.

That year we played the Rockets our coach was a rookie...

And Dream schooled Drob and showed him who the real MVP was. Yeah, good call.

No, you're fucking stupid because you don't think teamates matter...

Yes, I do. Reread my previous posts if you’re still confused. Teammates matter, absolutely. Too bad for Drob that he came up short every season of his career as leader of the Spurs while Shaq at least got a similar supporting cast to the Finals and beat Jordan to get there.

you think it's an accomplisment playign a team in a later round and getting beat worse...

It’s better than never beating Jordan.

You are a fucking idiot with the logic of a drunk junebug.

Hey now, I’m not the moron that thinks Drob > Shaq, remember? :rollin:

How come he stopped being able to draw that attention in the finals?

Because he played a better center, the Dream. The same one that destroyed Drob. And of course some of his teammates choked, notably Anderson at the FT line. It happens, Dream was the better center and had a slightly better (or equal if you want) supporting cast. They were also a championship team the season before, no surprise they beat the Magic considering that team’s lack of experience deep in the playoffs.

I guess Kobe must really suck then because he's never shot at the PCT Scott and Anderson shot that year...

What? Forget the Lakers’ titles if you want, Shaq > Drob even in when Shaq was younger than 24 and Drob was smack in the middle of his prime. Young Shaq still went further in the playoffs, still put up equally good numbers. And it only got better as he entered his prime.

Penny was ALL NBA 1st team that year...Horace Grant was all NBA Defense 4 times and had played on 3 championship teams.

All NBA is a popularity contest, remember? Christ, at least try to be consistent with your own bullshit. :lol And no, while Horace was great, Rodman was a good deal greater when he was in his prime playing with Drob. And Avery, Elliott, etc. made up for Shaq’s advantages with Penny.

Drob never had a player that was 1st team ALL NBA alongside him in his entire career until Duncan...and he won 2 fucking titles when he got it...

Actually, what’s funny is that he couldn’t win with Duncan in 98 against an aging Bulls squad. In fact, he was beat yet again by the aging Jazz. That’s fucking sad. If you’re supposedly as good as Shaq and you can’t win with Duncan, you just plain aren’t as good as your homer fans say you are.

How come Shaq didn't do it every year?

Already explained son, reread my previous posts. I’ll say it again; who the hell cares that he didn’t do it every year, no one has, not even the GOATs. Your point is moot, as always. It's like saying Jordan never led the league in blocks or rebounds, it's moot, he's still the GOAT.

C'mon dumb bitch all it takes is Shaq to win a title right?

No, all it takes is for you to use your brain and admit Drob not only never won titles as the leader of his team, but that he has had significantly fewer dominant seasons than Shaq (six and counting) and that his stats are no better than Shaq’s, in fact worse, over his career. Again, these are all facts.

Otherwise Horry>Shaq

LMAO. Already explained kid, reread my previous posts. Take reading comp classes at the local junior college if you’re still not sure what’s going on.

Leetonidas

04-09-2005, 08:54 PM

1. We're 55-20 at the moment, so you're prediction was horrible.
2. There aren't even ten games left in the season, so we will not finish at 30 losses.

Enjoy the offseason.

Ed Helicopter Jones

04-09-2005, 10:36 PM

Kaster, Shaq's a big fatty. Do you remember the poster DRob made with no shirt a few years back? Shaq could never do that.

Heck, Dave could probably make another poster like that now. . .he's chisled. Shaq will look like a gigantic Charles Barkley in 10 years.

And when all is said and done, all that really matters is how you look, and that's something Shaq will never have on David.

(Motto: Arguing to the point that you get bent out of shape over stupid stuff is. . .well. . .stupid.)

TDfan2007

04-09-2005, 10:58 PM

KORI PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:pctoss :pctoss :pctoss :pctoss :pctoss

Experiment2100

04-10-2005, 01:47 PM

Bump, just for you Lakergod.

whottt

04-10-2005, 04:55 PM

a huge pile of shit

Kaster, I got it...you think Shaq was better because he got swept.

...and because he won a second round playoff series against a 47 win team in a conference in which Drob never even played..

And because if we went and took a poll anywhere more people would agree with you...

I got it the first time you said it...As a matter of fact, I got it before you ever said it...

That doesn't make you right.

And it doesn't keep you from being an idiot.

You have done nothing to back up your point...you just keep spewing the same points over and over again and acting like you are being enlightening...and expecting some mass groupings of Shaq fans to come and save you...

In case you noticed...no one is coming to rescue you and it still wouldn't change the incredible weakness in your arguments or your total failure to justify your stance.

You were the one that brought up all NBA teams...and I'm glad you brought up that Jazz team...that same team swept your Lakers...and on that team was the entire core of your NBA chamions...as well as Elden Campbell, Eddie Jones, and Nick Van Exel...

I know...but Drob had Vinny Del Negro.

Just STFU...no one is going to come and save you...and it won't shut me up...or make your weak arguments better.

Like I said earlier...if all Shaq Jockers argued like you do on Shaq's behalf...no one would think Shaq was better...

whottt

04-10-2005, 05:03 PM

The ultimate stupidity of the playoff argument is perfectly illustrated by your butt kicking in the NBA finals...Ben Wallace beat Shaq and Shaq had a team many considered to be one of the greatest ever assembled...therefore Wallace>Shaq...or Chauncey Billups > Shaq...since he was on the same court as Shaq and won a finals MVP. Stupid ass.

td4mvp21

04-10-2005, 05:34 PM

I think the arguement can go on forever. Shaq couldn't do it without Kobe, and Drob couldn't do it without Duncan.

Hook Dem

04-10-2005, 05:45 PM

Back to the topic....Where the hell are you Lakergod? Sulking with Pooh after his Pasties lost to the Knicks in overtime??????? :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :flipoff :flipoff

3rdCoast

04-10-2005, 05:51 PM

how many rings does drob have? how many does shaq have? yea, thats what i thought.

whottt

04-10-2005, 06:07 PM

how many rings does drob have? how many does shaq have? yea, thats what i thought.

How many rings does Steve Kerr have? How many does Shaq have?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Kerr>Shaq

3rdCoast

04-10-2005, 06:18 PM

your logic is moronic, why do people have such a hard time admitting that shaq is one of the nba's best players ever?

texbumTHElife

04-10-2005, 06:21 PM

your logic is moronic, why do people have such a hard time admitting that shaq is one of the nba's best players ever?

If only he had half the skill of players half his size.

3rdCoast

04-10-2005, 06:25 PM

so the argument is that he is only good because he is so big? ok no problem. hes a big guy and uses it to his advantage. what would you do? hes big and bullies players around and he is good at it. he is good at what he does. get over it.

whottt

04-10-2005, 06:34 PM

your logic is moronic, why do people have such a hard time admitting that shaq is one of the nba's best players ever?

Nop, your logic that you can label one player greater than another based on the playoffs or titles won is moronic...

Teams win playoffs, not individuals...

And if last years finals don't drive this point home to you then nothing ever will.

The better but far less talented team won...

And it's even more true with bigmen...bigmen do not bring the ball up the court, they are entirely reliant on someone getting them the ball...they are also reliant on their teamates to hit their open shots...

Do you think it's a coincicence that Kareem Adbul Jabbar never won a title without a player who was or would be the all time leader in assists on his team?

In fact...Kareem went from finals MVP to being in last place and not even making the playoffs when he had no quality guards...

And therein lies my point about what makes Drob great...The Spurs were a title contender no matter what crap he had at the guard spots....

He'd still get his team to the playoffs...matter of fact he'd still finish in the top two spots in the division...

You go look at what Hakeem, Shaq, Wilt, and Kareem did when they had guards like Drob....they didn't even make the playoffs.

3rdCoast

04-10-2005, 06:36 PM

ok...i agree. so what exactly is your problem? are you mad that shaq has played with better supporting casts than robinson? what is your deal?

whottt

04-10-2005, 06:37 PM

I am mad that people always right Drob off as some kind of choking soft bitch and won't even include him among the greatest C's ever...people act like it's a joke...

And when you break it down and look at it you see he is probably the most under-rated player to ever step foot on an NBA court.

And in his prime he beat every great C and carried his team better in the regular season, than any of them...

But instead he is judged by one playoff series against the defending champions...

Hakeem beat Drob 4-2 in that series, Drob was double teamed in nearly every game and Hakeem wasn't even the primary defender...while the Spurs had Drob guarding Hakeem 1 on 1 most of that series...

Hakeem got 1 playoff series...

Drob won beat Hakeem by a 3-1 margin in their entire careers...

Judge Shaq by his first playoff series against the Spurs...

Judge Duncan by his first playoff series against the Jazz...

Drob is judged by that one series...like he was too much of a choker to win...well...he got 2 rings...so obviously he wasn't a choker...

3rdCoast

04-10-2005, 06:39 PM

i never said he wasnt good. I think he was a great player. Just not as good as shaq. thats what i think.

TheWriter

04-11-2005, 12:17 AM

57-20

Gotta keep bumping this classic.

Experiment2100

04-11-2005, 12:38 AM

57-20

Gotta keep bumping this classic.

Amen to that The Writer.

Spurs Biggest Fan

04-11-2005, 01:26 AM

57-20

Gotta keep bumping this classic.

Yep -- how sweet it is!!!

ForeignFan

04-11-2005, 05:39 AM

By the way, what do you think the Spurs' chance of getting first P/O seed are considering Suns' remaining schedule (Denver and Sacto x 2) vs SA's ?

FromWayDowntown

04-11-2005, 10:39 AM

Here's what's left for the Spurs and Suns

PNX 57-19

4/11 @ LAL
4/12 v. NO
4/13
4/14
4/15 v. LAC
4/16 v. SAC (the very rare home-and-home back-to-back)
4/17
4/18 v. DEN
4/19
4/20 @ SAC

SA 57-20
4/11
4/12 v. PRT
4/13 @ UTH
4/14
4/15
4/16 v. MEM
4/17
4/18 @ MEM
4/19
4/20 @ MIN

On the whole, the Suns' schedule would seem a bit tougher than what the Spurs face. But remember that the Suns have beaten Denver twice since Karl took over the Nuggets, so Phoenix has been able to deal with Denver even as the rest of the league has struggled. Two left for the Suns with Sacramento, who is playing to stay at #5 and still faces the possibility of falling all the way to 8.

Meanwhile, the Spurs get a back-to-back against eliminated teams and will play in Minnesota against a team that will have been eliminated by that point, making that game less daunting than it otherwise might have been. The two Memphis games are a bit scary, but the margin for error has improved over the last 48 hours.

Ishta

04-11-2005, 12:57 PM

I know i'm gonna hear it, don't really give a flying rats turd...Robinson was a better person, and player on, and off the court. Look under class in the dictionary, and a picture of the admiral will be there!! Shaq is a punk with some skills.

P.S. Lakergod are you in the witness protection program now?:angel :angel :angel :angel

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

leemajors

04-11-2005, 01:05 PM

i used to agree with you ishta, but shaq has grown up quite a bit. what he did in LA this christmas was a great thing. went to toys r us with his own cash and bought a shitload of toys for underpriveleged kids and passed them out himself.

Ishta

04-11-2005, 01:09 PM

My memory of shaq quotes are still in my head about #50... It'll take a heck of a lot for them to get foggy!! But in MY book keyword being my!! Robinson is pure class! I'll admit I'm partial cause he was A Spur.:spin

leemajors

04-11-2005, 01:23 PM

you are completely and utterly correct about robinson and shaq's comments about him. however, i think he has grown up a bit and maybe even taken a page from robinson's book about public works. i wouldn't be at all surprised if his dad had berated him for those comments, being a fellow armed forces vet like drob.