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Bruno
05-18-2009, 11:27 AM
http://photos.upi.com/topics-Derrick-Brown/a1ba5ca82f566d5b94a64c378c37d086/Derrick-Brown_1.jpg
Height: 6-7
Weight: 225 lbs
Birthday: 09/07/1987
College: Xavier

DraftExpress (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Derrick-Brown-1203/)
nbadraft (http://www.nbadraft.net/players/derrick-brown)

benefactor
06-02-2009, 07:04 PM
As mountianballer pointed out in the General Draft thread...this guy had pretty impressive numbers in his Pre Draft Measurements...over 7'2 inches of wingspan with almost 9 feet of standing reach. He was one of the strongest players on the bench and his agility drills were as good and in some cases better than a lot of the small forward prospects. He is currently projected to go at 42, but if he falls then it is a no-brainer that we take him with our 51st pick. I'm actually a little tempted to roll the dice on him at 37.

Bruno
06-02-2009, 07:18 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4213690

Brown opts to remain in NBA draft

By Andy Katz
ESPN.com


CHICAGO -- Xavier junior Derrick Brown is staying in the NBA draft, a fact new coach Chris Mack has known for a few weeks.

With Mack watching from the stands, Brown told ESPN.com after Thursday's first session at the NBA draft combine in Chicago, "I'm not going back to school."

Brown said he graduated and the coaching move of Sean Miller to Arizona and the elevation of Mack from assistant to head coach had little effect on his decision.

"I feel I was going to do this regardless," said Brown. "Coach Miller is my guy."

Brown said his versatility as a 6-foot-8 forward is something "NBA teams need."

"This is something we've know for three or four weeks," said Mack of Brown's decision. "I've been in his corner and want to support him."

Mack said people forget he redshirted his freshman season so next year would be his fifth at Xavier.

"He's got all the tools to be a successful NBA player," Mack said. "He's oozing with potential. He's got it in him to be very productive for years to come."

kbrury
06-02-2009, 07:28 PM
his measurements are almost freakish, but id only take him if green and Casspi are gone. I think Dante Cunningham would also be a better pick then him.

TheProfessor
06-02-2009, 07:46 PM
As mountianballer pointed out in the General Draft thread...this guy had pretty impressive numbers in his Pre Draft Measurements...over 7'2 inches of wingspan with almost 9 feet of standing reach. He was one of the strongest players on the bench and his agility drills were as good and in some cases better than a lot of the small forward prospects. He is currently projected to go at 42, but if he falls then it is a no-brainer that we take him with our 51st pick. I'm actually a little tempted to roll the dice on him at 37.
Looking at him statistically, this wouldn't surprise me if the Spurs stood pat. He made strides with his perimeter shot last year, and has standout defensive potential. Combine that with his measurements, and there's some Bowenesque role player potential.

benefactor
06-02-2009, 07:48 PM
his measurements are almost freakish, but id only take him if green and Casspi are gone. I think Dante Cunningham would also be a better pick then him.
They are a lot alike, but Brown has better potential to guard multiple positions and he already has a 3pt shot(43%). Being a Bruce replacement in our system is predicated on those two things, and Brown looks more ready.

benefactor
06-02-2009, 07:50 PM
Looking at him statistically, this wouldn't surprise me if the Spurs stood pat. He made strides with his perimeter shot last year, and has standout defensive potential. Combine that with his measurements, and there's some Bowenesque role player potential.
I know. I'm starting to salivate a little bit as I have been poking around online for the past couple of hours learning more about him.

Sold...take him at 37.

kbrury
06-02-2009, 07:54 PM
I guess im already swayed by his 3pt shooting i didn't really see that before. I read he was a lottery pick at the beginning of the college season so he probably has the most potential of anyone the spurs can get except maybe claver.

benefactor
06-02-2009, 07:59 PM
Kinda scary.....

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/James-Gist-597/

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Derrick-Brown-1203/

kbrury
06-02-2009, 08:02 PM
almost exactly the same, gist only did 5 reps whats up with that.

benefactor
06-02-2009, 08:05 PM
almost exactly the same, gist only did 5 reps whats up with that.
I think Gist is a quite a bit leaner than Brown. Brown could wind up being a better version of Gist because his strength...which he will need against the bigger SF's in the league.

kbrury
06-02-2009, 08:09 PM
Even though the spurs don't have a first round pick at least for now, I'm getting really anxious for the 37th pick they could go so many ways.

loveforthegame
06-02-2009, 10:33 PM
I didn't know much about him but I like what I'm reading. Thanks for all the updates.

He sounds like a solid pick if some of the other guys are already off the board.

mountainballer
06-03-2009, 03:39 AM
another point to like about Brown is his efficiency. even if it dropped this year (down from a fantastic 1.66 PPS), he still scores at a pretty high rate (1.42 PPS) and that's something Spurs look at intensively, especially when scouting potential role players. and he was best in this department in the 2007-08 season, when he played in a very balanced Xavier attack and took only 7 shots a game. with the Spurs he also wouldn't get many looks per game.

but it has been mentioned, is there a big difference to James Gist?
(Brown might be the smarter and more team oriented player though, what of course would give him a big edge with the Spurs)

yavozerb
06-03-2009, 09:35 AM
I think if available at 25-28 the spurs need to make a play for this kid more so than casspi..He is stronger, better athlete, and much further along in his game than casspi..

Blackjack
06-10-2009, 01:41 AM
James Posey Derrick Brown

Height 6-8 6-8

Weight 215.0 227.0



Offensive Rating 113.6 119.3

3pt FG Pct. 36.6 43.3

True Shooting Pct. 61.4 59.8 (Free-throw% Posey's only edge)

Reb Per Game 8.944 6.057

Off Reb Pct 9.7 9.8

Def Reb Pct 18.8 13.3

A/T Ratio 0.7 1.1

Steals Per Game 2.833 0.714

Blocks Per Game 0.944 0.875

For a complete comparison of their numbers at Xavier in their Jr. year:

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=derrick-brown&i=1&p1=james-posey

024
06-11-2009, 02:52 AM
limited offense, mediocre ball handling, can shoot the 3, and plays defense? seems like a perfect fit for the spurs. hopefully he is at least a taller and faster udoka.

Blackjack
06-11-2009, 01:02 PM
hopefully he is at least a taller and faster udoka.

Here's why I looked at a comparison of Brown and Posey:

(Pre-Draft Measurements)

Derrick Brown

Height w/o Shoes
6' 7.5"

Height w/shoes
6' 8.5"

Weight
225

Wingspan
7' 2.5"

Standing Reach
8' 11.5"

James Posey

Height w/o Shoes
6' 6.5"

Weight
208

Wingspan
7' 0"

Brown definitely has the size the Spurs are looking for at the wing, the question is: Can he legitimately play a Bowen-type defensive role at the next level?

benefactor
06-11-2009, 01:47 PM
It will be interesting to see where he goes. In browsing through mocks across the interwebs this morning I have found there are a lot of different opinions regarding Brown. Some now have him sneaking into the first round(as high as 26) and others still have him as a mid second rounder. I think it goes without saying that the Spurs are not going to see Casspi at 37. In the pool of player that could fall to us there at SF, I definitely see Brown as the best available.

Brown definitely has the size the Spurs are looking for at the wing, the question is: Can he legitimately play a Bowen-type defensive role at the next level?
It is going to be hard to replace the type of defense Bowen brought...and IMHO there is no player in this draft that will be available to us that can do that. That said, Brown has a lot of tools/upside and is easily an intriguing enough prospect to take at 37 to see if he is something close to Bowen at the next level.

Blackjack
06-12-2009, 12:13 AM
It is going to be hard to replace the type of defense Bowen brought...and IMHO there is no player in this draft that will be available to us that can do that. That said, Brown has a lot of tools/upside and is easily an intriguing enough prospect to take at 37 to see if he is something close to Bowen at the next level.

No doubt. You're not going to find someone to come in and do what Bruce has done over the years right off the bat, but anyone who can deliver the size and athleticism to approximate what Bruce has done, would be a much needed upgrade.

I'm really kind of in the dark when it comes to evaluating Brown. I didn't get a chance to really see him play, so as much as his measurements and write-ups impress/intrigue me, I'm not really able to come to a conclusion.

I do know this. If he could do anything similar to Batum defensively in his first year, this guy's almost a no-brainer.

The only defensive-size the Spurs have on the perimeter, at this point, is Bruce, and judging by this year? I don't think Pop is going to feel all that comfortable playing him extended minutes during the regular-season.

Blackjack
06-18-2009, 07:44 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/scott_howard-cooper/06/17/draft.notes/index.html


One week and a day until the draft, and Austin Daye of Gonzaga and Derrick Brown of Xavier are good bets for sleeper picks, possibly -- and in Brown's case likely -- destined for the second half of the first round but intriguing enough prospects who could have productive careers.

Brown (13.7 points, 6.1 rebounds last season) is 6-8˝ in shoes, great size for a small forward, has long arms to help with defense and rebounding, great leaping ability and a first step to be feared. In a sign of a player expanding his game rather than strictly relying on athleticism, he jumped from taking only 40 three-pointers the previous two seasons and making 15 (37.5 percent) to going 39-of-90 (43.3 percent) in 2008-09. NBA teams love to see a guy trending up like that.

Damn, It looks like the Spurs might have to get into the first round for a crack at Brown.:(

Blackjack
06-20-2009, 01:23 AM
CJ grad Brown’s NBA stock soars with every workout

By Sean McClelland
Staff writer

9:36 PM Friday, June 19, 2009

Derrick Brown (Chaminade Julienne), a 6-foot-8 junior forward from Xavier, is projected as a late first-round pick in the Thursday, June 25, NBA draft, but his stock could be rising as he auditions for NBA teams.

He’s been called everything from a sleeper prospect to the most underrated player available.

In Portland this week Brown worked out with other highly rated players such as North Carolina forward Tyler Hansbrough and UCLA guard Darren Collison. The Trail Blazers hold the No. 24 pick.

After the workout, Blazers General Manager Kevin Pritchard told reporters, “He can shoot it. He spreads the floor. ... He creates mismatches because of his size.”

An NBAdraft.net mock draft has Brown heading to Portland. And don’t worry about him when it comes to that first-round cash. Chances are he’ll know what to do with it after graduating last month with a degree in entrepreneurial studies and marketing.

Brown will try to become the latest in a long line of Xavier forwards — Tyrone Hill, Brian Grant, David West, James Posey, etc. — to make an NBA impact. At minimum, he is assured of becoming the second Miami Valley high school player in three years to be drafted, following Daequan Cook (Dunbar), who left Ohio State after one season in 2007 and now plays for the Miami Heat.

Brown sold himself like this in an interview with NBAdraft.net: “My ceiling is high, but I’m not a project, so I can help a team right away next year. You know, I can shoot it, I’m athletic, but I also use my brain out there.”

Intriguing to scouts is that Brown, at his size, shot 43 percent from 3-point range last season. Then there’s his 7-foot, 2˝-inch wingspan and standing reach of 8 feet, 11˝ inches. For a perimeter player, both measurements are off the charts.

Also working in Brown’s favor, this is considered the weakest draft in decades.


http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayton-sports/high-school-sports/cj-grad-browns-nba-stock-soars-with-every-workout-170780.html


I think I've gone from leaning towards Brown, to salivating at the prospect of him being a Spur.

I mean, that part I highlighted, is that not exactly what the Spurs are looking for?

bigdog
06-20-2009, 07:44 AM
Wow, he seems more and more like a good fit, but I still think he'd be somewhat of a project, but he could prove me wrong. If the Spurs don't get what they want and he is still there, I say they should take him.

loveforthegame
06-20-2009, 11:04 AM
The more I read about him the more I like. He's already passed other guys I was hoping the Spurs would draft.

exstatic
06-20-2009, 07:02 PM
Wow, he seems more and more like a good fit, but I still think he'd be somewhat of a project, but he could prove me wrong. If the Spurs don't get what they want and he is still there, I say they should take him.

:lol
Outside of maybe the first 5 picks, everyone in the draft is a project. This isn't 1985 where the first 15 picks all start, and 5 of them will be All Stars. The first round is now about the caliber of the second round 10 years ago.

Mr.Bottomtooth
06-20-2009, 08:15 PM
:lol
Outside of maybe the first 5 picks, everyone in the draft is a project. This isn't 1985 where the first 15 picks all start, and 5 of them will be All Stars. The first round is now about the caliber of the second round 10 years ago.

As much as I wanna disagree, I can't.

Blackjack
06-21-2009, 01:25 AM
Derrick Brown - SF Xavier


Strengths: At 6'7" and a half without shoes on, he's got the ideal size for a small forward. An extraordinary leaper who can outjump the opponent. A left handed player with an unorthodox release that makes his shot tough to block. Has smoothed out his jumpshot which has in turn caused an increase in accuracy. Long strided runner allowing him to cover a lot of space in little time. Does a great job finishing around the rim. Flashes some nice hesitation and crossover moves, but not very consistently. Not afraid to backdown a player. Very much a team oriented player who looks to help others get involved offensively before he takes his shots. With his long arms, he has the potential to be an above-average shot blocker from the small forward spot. Show great defensive potential with his lateral quickness, large wingspan, and hustle. Does well moving without the ball, rarely is caught ball watching.

Weakness: Offensively he's still a work in progress as he's not a realiable jump shooter. A bit passive as he's looking to set up others. His first step isn't great, so he's not quick but more fast the longer you run. Needs to strengthen his upper body. Played a lot of power forward at Xavier, so he'll need to work on his small forward skills. Slow release allows defenders to close on him quickly, really needs to speed it up without hindering his accuracy. His ball handling skills are below average, so he'll need to clean that up before he can be a full time wing player.

Analysis: Derrick Brown has a lot of potential as a defensive stopper, but teams won't respect him as a player unless he learns to hit jump shots. Right now, he's in the Bruce Bowen mold of a player, but if he develops a consistent jump shot, he comapres favorably to Trevor Ariza. I could see him going as high as Utah, but I'd expect him to be drafted in the late first round if not the early second round because of his rather pedestrian offense. Still lots of potential as a great wing defender as he develops in the NBA.

NBA Comparison: Bruce Bowen / SF / San Antonio Spurs :smokin
Draft Projection: Late First

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=326864

Biggems
06-21-2009, 01:37 AM
As much as I like Sam Young, I have to give the nod to Derrick Brown. Brown seems to have more upside.

I want to keep all 3 second round picks and still get into the 1st. Maybe we can trade an expiring contract and a future pick.

Grab Brown in the first, get Danny Green or Jonas Jerebko at 37, Then address the Bigs with the last two.....perhaps Kravstov and Nivins.

Sdayi135
06-21-2009, 01:52 AM
Derrick Brown - SF Xavier


Strengths: At 6'7" and a half without shoes on, he's got the ideal size for a small forward. An extraordinary leaper who can outjump the opponent. A left handed player with an unorthodox release that makes his shot tough to block. Has smoothed out his jumpshot which has in turn caused an increase in accuracy. Long strided runner allowing him to cover a lot of space in little time. Does a great job finishing around the rim. Flashes some nice hesitation and crossover moves, but not very consistently. Not afraid to backdown a player. Very much a team oriented player who looks to help others get involved offensively before he takes his shots. With his long arms, he has the potential to be an above-average shot blocker from the small forward spot. Show great defensive potential with his lateral quickness, large wingspan, and hustle. Does well moving without the ball, rarely is caught ball watching.

Weakness: Offensively he's still a work in progress as he's not a realiable jump shooter. A bit passive as he's looking to set up others. His first step isn't great, so he's not quick but more fast the longer you run. Needs to strengthen his upper body. Played a lot of power forward at Xavier, so he'll need to work on his small forward skills. Slow release allows defenders to close on him quickly, really needs to speed it up without hindering his accuracy. His ball handling skills are below average, so he'll need to clean that up before he can be a full time wing player.

Analysis: Derrick Brown has a lot of potential as a defensive stopper, but teams won't respect him as a player unless he learns to hit jump shots. Right now, he's in the Bruce Bowen mold of a player, but if he develops a consistent jump shot, he comapres favorably to Trevor Ariza. I could see him going as high as Utah, but I'd expect him to be drafted in the late first round if not the early second round because of his rather pedestrian offense. Still lots of potential as a great wing defender as he develops in the NBA.

NBA Comparison: Bruce Bowen / SF / San Antonio Spurs :smokin
Draft Projection: Late First

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=326864

They can add in the fact he's a darn good rebounder for the SF position (6.1 RPG, and 2.0 off reb/game at XU last year) If he's lucky to come down to the Spurs at 37, get him.

And didn't Bruce Bowen develop a nice jump shot later in his career?

kbrury
06-21-2009, 08:56 AM
Well Brown is a lot like Gist as stated earlier they both played Power Forward mainly in College thats why I'm kind of down on him now because he will have to learn the SF position. I don't think we should draft him because we already have Gist who has been learning the SF position the past year.

benefactor
06-21-2009, 08:59 AM
Needs to strengthen his upper body.
He did 20 reps on the bench....

loveforthegame
06-21-2009, 10:37 AM
I think Young will be out of our reach whether we buy or trade for a 1st round pick. This is the guy I'm really hoping we're targeting. Summers too depending on where we can get a pick.

mountainballer
12-15-2010, 06:03 AM
Bump!
Blackjacks man McGuire has come back from injury and pushed Derrick Brown out of the Bobcats rotation.
Bobcats deepest position is this forward/combo forward spot. Diaw, TT, McGuire, Wallace, Najera, even Sjax. they all can play the small ball PF and/or SF.
Brown looks like the odd man and so I can see the Bobcats at least listen to an offer.
why him?
I liked him a lot in the 2009 draft and still think he could be a nice back up role player as a defensive specialist for the Spurs.
he did look good and improved this summer and even better in the preseason. seems as if he has just to much competition for minutes at his position at the Bobcats.
btw. Brown could be acquired via TE and (at least I guess so) not push the Spurs over the threshold.

benefactor
12-15-2010, 06:40 AM
Liked him then...like him now.

The good thing about Brown is he is more of a true combo forward...something the Spurs don't have. He has the quickness to play the 3 and the size to stay with most 4's. The Spurs would probably really have to talk the Bobcats out of him though. He's good insurance on the cheap for them right now.

mountainballer
12-15-2010, 09:33 AM
right, it's not that they want to get rid of him. he has a cheap contract. they want something in return. assuming a 1st rounder is to much and a Spurs 2nd rounder doesn't have any value, the best offer would be rights of De Colo or Richards. (or cash, but the Spurs are usually not a team that offers money)