Nuggets, WWE In Smackdown Over Arena Conflict [Archive]

duncan228

05-18-2009, 05:05 PM

Edit: Updated article in post #81 (page 4).

Nuggets, WWE in smackdown over arena confict (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-nba-wweconflict&prov=ap&type=lgns)
By Brian Mahoney

Kobe Bryant and the Los Angeles Lakers are scheduled to be at the Pepsi Center in Denver next Monday night.

Problem is, so are John Cena and a bunch of wrestlers.

World Wrestling Entertainment says it is booked at the arena for an episode of Monday Night Raw, the same night the Nuggets are slated to host the Lakers in Game 4 of the Western Conference finals.

WWE spokesman Robert Zimmerman says the organization secured the Pepsi Center last Aug. 15 and has already sold more than 10,000 tickets for the event. He says the organization expects a sellout, with tickets ranging from $20 to $70.

“Even though the Denver Nuggets had a strong team this year and were projected to make the playoffs, obviously Nuggets and Pepsi Center owner Stan Kroenke did not have enough faith in his own team to hold the May 25th date for a potential playoff game,” WWE chairman Vince McMahon said in a statement.

Denver is usually done with basketball by now. The Nuggets had lost in the first round five straight years, but as the No. 2 seed in the West are in the conference finals for the first time since 1985.

The Nuggets referred comment to the NBA, which handles scheduling during the playoffs. NBA spokesman Mark Broussard said the league was looking into the conflict.

Zimmerman said the Pepsi Center confirmed in March with the WWE that the organization wanted to keep the May 25 date, and sent a contract on April 15— the final night of the regular season—which WWE signed and returned. Tickets went on sale April 11.

The conflict didn’t arise until Sunday, when the Lakers beat the Houston Rockets in Game 7 of the Western Conference semifinals. Had the Rockets won, Denver would have had home-court advantage in the next round, hosting Games 1 and 2 and putting the May 25 game in Houston.

As of Monday afternoon, the schedule on the Pepsi Center’s Web site listed WWE for 6:30 p.m. local time and Western Conference finals Game 4 at 7 p.m. Tickets for the wrestling event could still be purchased online.

TheProfessor

05-18-2009, 05:06 PM

Damn, you beat me to it! :lol

DeadlyDynasty

05-18-2009, 05:08 PM

Nuggets, WWE in smackdown over arena confict (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-nba-wweconflict&prov=ap&type=lgns)
By Brian Mahoney

Kobe Bryant and the Los Angeles Lakers are scheduled to be at the Pepsi Center in Denver next Monday night.

Problem is, so are John Cena and a bunch of wrestlers.

World Wrestling Entertainment says it is booked at the arena for an episode of Monday Night Raw, the same night the Nuggets are slated to host the Lakers in Game 4 of the Western Conference finals.

WWE spokesman Robert Zimmerman says the organization secured the Pepsi Center last Aug. 15 and has already sold more than 10,000 tickets for the event. He says the organization expects a sellout, with tickets ranging from $20 to $70.

“Even though the Denver Nuggets had a strong team this year and were projected to make the playoffs, obviously Nuggets and Pepsi Center owner Stan Kroenke did not have enough faith in his own team to hold the May 25th date for a potential playoff game,” WWE chairman Vince McMahon said in a statement.

Denver is usually done with basketball by now. The Nuggets had lost in the first round five straight years, but as the No. 2 seed in the West are in the conference finals for the first time since 1985.

The Nuggets referred comment to the NBA, which handles scheduling during the playoffs. NBA spokesman Mark Broussard said the league was looking into the conflict.

Zimmerman said the Pepsi Center confirmed in March with the WWE that the organization wanted to keep the May 25 date, and sent a contract on April 15— the final night of the regular season—which WWE signed and returned. Tickets went on sale April 11.

The conflict didn’t arise until Sunday, when the Lakers beat the Houston Rockets in Game 7 of the Western Conference semifinals. Had the Rockets won, Denver would have had home-court advantage in the next round, hosting Games 1 and 2 and putting the May 25 game in Houston.

As of Monday afternoon, the schedule on the Pepsi Center’s Web site listed WWE for 6:30 p.m. local time and Western Conference finals Game 4 at 7 p.m. Tickets for the wrestling event could still be purchased online.

:lmao

iggypop123

05-18-2009, 05:10 PM

so the lakers sell wcf tickets early and these guys dont even book the arena

Red Hawk #21

05-18-2009, 05:17 PM

Maybe they could all just have a steel-cage match?

Allanon

05-18-2009, 05:17 PM

so the lakers sell wcf tickets early and these guys dont even book the arena

:lol

Bukefal

05-18-2009, 05:19 PM

Nuggets, WWE in smackdown over arena confict (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-nba-wweconflict&prov=ap&type=lgns)
By Brian Mahoney

“Even though the Denver Nuggets had a strong team this year and were projected to make the playoffs, obviously Nuggets and Pepsi Center owner Stan Kroenke did not have enough faith in his own team to hold the May 25th date for a potential playoff game,” WWE chairman Vince McMahon said in a statement.

Denver is usually done with basketball by now. The Nuggets had lost in the first round five straight years, but as the No. 2 seed in the West are in the conference finals for the first time since 1985.

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:lol ouch

iggypop123

05-18-2009, 05:21 PM

so does this mean they forfeit the game? 1-0 baby already

TheProfessor

05-18-2009, 05:23 PM

When you're getting verbally owned by the guy who provides gems such as this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOx-K_VI3Bc&feature=related), that's pretty sad.

NugzFan

05-18-2009, 05:24 PM

see ya vince. go perform at some high school or something...

Basketballgirl25

05-18-2009, 05:29 PM

well, I guess they could all just beat each other up and call it a game

braeden0613

05-18-2009, 05:31 PM

Move one of them to mile high...problem solved. Unless it's raining or something :lol

ginobili's bald spot

05-18-2009, 05:34 PM

Interesting. I wonder how this is gonna turn out.

BruceBowenFan

05-18-2009, 05:38 PM

I wanna say the game will be pushed a day ahead or after wwe.

Thunder Dan

05-18-2009, 05:38 PM

I want to know who the 10,000 people are that still watch wrestling

ginobili's bald spot

05-18-2009, 05:41 PM

I want to know who the 10,000 people are that still watch wrestling

It's sad really. I could understand it it was kids but grown ass people watching men play fight in their underwear while oiled up is pretty fucking gay if you ask me.

sonic21

05-18-2009, 05:41 PM

interesting. maybe they can cut the WWE a lucrative deal to hold their event at like 10am.

BruceBowenFan

05-18-2009, 05:41 PM

I want to know who the 10,000 people are that still watch wrestling

i watch it when i get a chance.

Thunder Dan

05-18-2009, 05:44 PM

It's sad really. I could understand it it was kids but grown ass people watching men play fight in their underwear while oiled up is pretty fucking gay if you ask me.

yeah, I watched it as a kid, and even as a young teen in 97-99, but now that I'm a little more seasoned, I'm not really into guys on roids fake fighting eachother

arial

05-18-2009, 05:49 PM

dIg9Ome1lGU

Allanon

05-18-2009, 05:54 PM

With 10,000 tickets already sold for WWE, no way they're moving that now.

Nuggets will have to move around it...most likely they'll play at Mile High if it's not booked.

BRHornet45

05-18-2009, 06:06 PM

sons this shouldn't be a big deal. Vince and David Stern work together very closely and have been good friends for years. Vince and his creative writing crew at the WWE have written and developed many of the scripts and story lines for the NBA playoffs in the past.

Thunder Dan

05-18-2009, 06:12 PM

Denver doesn't have another venue? Cleveland has 2 arenas that hold over 13,000

ManuTP9

05-18-2009, 06:15 PM

rayray2k8

05-18-2009, 06:24 PM

Fuck wrestling.

spurscenter

05-18-2009, 06:24 PM

Im confused?

Isn't the NBA , The WWE as well?

Give them Joe Crawford as a sacrificial lamb.

BRHornet45

05-18-2009, 06:32 PM

Im confused?

Isn't the NBA , The WWE as well?

Give them Joe Crawford as a sacrificial lamb.

son yes. the WWE and NBA recently merged together as the same company since the NBA is heading in the direction of "sports entertainment". however they will continue to use their separate names.

Laker-fan-in-SanAnto

05-18-2009, 06:32 PM

Neutral site if you ask me. Phoenix, AZ. That's what they get for not trusting their team to make it far in the playoffs.

Thunder Dan

05-18-2009, 06:36 PM

they should just play it in LA, it's not like it's loud there anyway

Ghazi

05-18-2009, 06:40 PM

very interesting.

lefty

05-18-2009, 06:42 PM

:lmao

Apparently, they didn't think the Nuggets would make it to the WCF :lmao

BRHornet45

05-18-2009, 06:45 PM

sons the more I think about this, I think it is just part of another NBA story line. We all know that Vince and his writing crew at the WWE work very closely with Stern and the NBA ... I am betting that someone like John Cena or Triple H will make an appearance and attack Kenyon Martin leaving the crowd speechless .... TV ratings through the roof!

Spursfan092120

05-18-2009, 06:52 PM

see ya vince. go perform at some high school or something...
Shit..lol...I guarantee you Vince will sell more tickets than the Nuggets. People come from all over the world to see the WWE..they don't come from all over to see Denver.

Spursfan092120

05-18-2009, 06:53 PM

yeah, I watched it as a kid, and even as a young teen in 97-99, but now that I'm a little more seasoned, I'm not really into guys on roids fake fighting eachother
They don't do roids anymore..they test just like sports..even though they've acknowledged that they're entertainment..not sports...although they are DEFINITELY athletes.

Spursfan092120

05-18-2009, 06:54 PM

When you're getting verbally owned by the guy who provides gems such as this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOx-K_VI3Bc&feature=related), that's pretty sad.
NWO sucked in the WWF...it was good in WCW. I'm a WWE fan over WCW, but that was one thing I didn't like. Although watching Hulk Hogan fight The Rock was pretty cool.

Thunder Dan

05-18-2009, 07:05 PM

They don't do roids anymore..they test just like sports..even though they've acknowledged that they're entertainment..not sports...although they are DEFINITELY athletes.

you have to be kidding me :lol

Spursfan092120

05-18-2009, 07:08 PM

you have to be kidding me :lol
about what?

ManuTP9

05-18-2009, 07:09 PM

Thunder Dan

05-18-2009, 07:10 PM

about what?

that you don't think wrestlers use roids and that they actually do legit tests to test them for them

Cry Havoc

05-18-2009, 07:12 PM

They book wrestling events in advance?

I assumed they just drove around in a truck playing hillbilly music with a bunch of half naked men in the bed until a bunch of people start following them.

pauls931

05-18-2009, 07:12 PM

You blew their cover. LA was supposed to show up, then the wrestlers take the floor and beat them to a pulp. Scratch that, makes no sense, the thuggets will do that themselves.

Spursfan092120

05-18-2009, 07:15 PM

that you don't think wrestlers use roids and that they actually do legit tests to test them for them
Well..I know for a fact that they do legit tests...just like professional sports...but just like professional sports athletes, some wrestlers have ways to get away with it. Not saying they don't do roids..I know a couple of guys that I can look at and see that they do...but they are tested. They started doing it about 5 years ago. The fact is this though. These guys are entertainers...performance enhancing does nothing when the end is predetermined. It would be like testing actors for steroids. What the hell good does steroids do when everyone knows how it's going to end anyway? They have no laws that force them to test, but they do anyway.

Spursfan092120

05-18-2009, 07:17 PM

They book wrestling events in advance?

I assumed they just drove around in a truck playing hillbilly music with a bunch of half naked men in the bed until a bunch of people start following them.
LMAO..professional wrestling has more fans than almost all sports. More people spent $60 to watch the Judgment Day WWE Pay Per View on Sunday than watched either NBA playoff game for free.

DeadlyDynasty

05-18-2009, 07:19 PM

TheProfessor

05-18-2009, 07:28 PM

NWO sucked in the WWF...it was good in WCW. I'm a WWE fan over WCW, but that was one thing I didn't like. Although watching Hulk Hogan fight The Rock was pretty cool.
It has the be the most absurdly funny promo of all time. "I'M NOT GONNA LET RIC FLAIR KILL...what I created..."

Spursfan092120

05-18-2009, 07:39 PM

that doesn't say a lot about the country now does it?:lol
I don't think it's so bad. People just have to understand it. It's not a sporting event. They don't try to put it off as a sporting event. If you take the time to watch it with an open mind, and don't think of it as something they're trying to put off as a sporting event, you can really enjoy it. My grandfather raised me on it from when I was a little boy..and I never stopped. I actually wrestled myself for a little bit in a really small indy promotion..it's a group of brothers (and sisters) that are just trying to entertain the crowd...and get that rush of stepping out there and having people cheer when they see you. But it's not about sports..everyone knows it's not a sport..it's just about entertaining the crowd...and they can definitely do that...it's a guy's soap opera.

Spursfan092120

05-18-2009, 07:40 PM

It has the be the most absurdly funny promo of all time. "I'M NOT GONNA LET RIC FLAIR KILL...what I created..."
I remember seeing it. I remember thinking Vince was off his rocker..lol. They should have gone a different route with those three guys..though it gave wrestling fans some decent matches.

Spursfan092120

05-18-2009, 07:49 PM

Not sure what's going to happen. A wrestling source that I have is saying that next week's Raw might be cancelled. Just off the top of my head, I don't think that's ever happened.

Udokafan05

05-18-2009, 07:55 PM

WWE is a lot more successfull than the nuggets. Raw is usually the most highly watched show on cable television all together. Raw starts in 5 minutes.

Spursfan092120

05-18-2009, 08:00 PM

WWE is a lot more successfull than the nuggets. Raw is usually the most highly watched show on cable television all together. Raw starts in 5 minutes.
I've already got it on. :) Raw usually is the most watched show alltogether every week. Even non cable networks...but it is always the most watched cable show every week.

Slinkyman

05-18-2009, 08:03 PM

Just cancel the WCF and give LeBron the trophy already!

E20

05-18-2009, 08:10 PM

I only LOL at this, because BrHornets kept on refrencing David Stern and Vince Mcmahon together and talking about NBA/WWE conspiracies.

Spursfan092120

05-18-2009, 08:10 PM

Just cancel the WCF and give LeBron the trophy already!
They're going to have their problems in their own conference Final.

sribb43

05-18-2009, 08:21 PM

Monday Nights is WWE's live show...no way in hell Vince is going to cave in. The NBA and Nuggets are fucked, they better make other arrangements

Spursfan092120

05-18-2009, 08:24 PM

Monday Nights is WWE's live show...no way in hell Vince is going to cave in. The NBA and Nuggets are fucked, they better make other arrangements
He's considering it. Not sure what the Nuggets are doing, but from a source I have, Raw may be cancelled...But either way...the Nuggets fucked up majorly..they don't deserve it. If you don't have the confidence in your team to book your own arena, you don't deserve to play in it.

Spursfan092120

05-18-2009, 08:24 PM

WWE is a lot more successfull than the nuggets. Raw is usually the most highly watched show on cable television all together. Raw starts in 5 minutes.
watching now..lol..John Cena is freaking hilarious.

sribb43

05-18-2009, 08:28 PM

Maybe Randy Orton can punt Kenyon's Martin's bitch ass

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3679/3114809835dc28651a28.jpg

Spursfan092120

05-18-2009, 08:38 PM

Maybe Randy Orton can punt Kenyon's Martin's bitch ass

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3679/3114809835dc28651a28.jpg
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao
That's fucking awesome...
I'd love to see K-Mart get the F-U though..
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w290/SVRLive/John%20Cena/johncenafu09gd8pc8.gif

Basketballgirl25

05-18-2009, 08:49 PM

Maybe Randy Orton can punt Kenyon's Martin's bitch ass

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3679/3114809835dc28651a28.jpg

would be better if it was Cubans head:toast

Spursfan092120

05-18-2009, 08:52 PM

would be better if it was Cubans head:toast
nope...Martin is worse than Cuban..Cuban is a dick..but at least he apologized..

Basketballgirl25

05-18-2009, 08:53 PM

nope...Martin is worse than Cuban..Cuban is a dick..but at least he apologized..

over a computer, but at least that proves why Dirk is soft:lol

Spursfan092120

05-18-2009, 08:55 PM

over a computer, but at least that proves why Dirk is soft:lol
Maybe you missed it when I said at least Cuban apologized...did Martin apologize for flicking off a lady and threatening to beat the fuck out of two Dallas fans? All Cuban did was tell K-Mart's mom something she already knew..that her son was a thug.

Basketballgirl25

05-18-2009, 09:01 PM

Maybe you missed it when I said at least Cuban apologized...did Martin apologize for flicking off a lady and threatening to beat the fuck out of two Dallas fans? All Cuban did was tell K-Mart's mom something she already knew..that her son was a thug.

I didn't missed it, Cuban apologized yes. Over the internet I bet you the people he apologized to don't even read his blog(hey I could be wrong about that, prob not though). Sure Martin threatening fans, but Cuban didn't really apologize in the right way either so they were both WRONG, but hey at least the better guy is still playing:toast

IronMexican

05-18-2009, 09:02 PM

Basketballgirl is a dumb broad.

Basketballgirl25

05-18-2009, 09:07 PM

Basketballgirl is a dumb broad.

why? because Mark Cuban apologized over the internet and I don't find that I good way to do it, but it isn't nothing new Cuban's an idiot I expected it from him, at least the Nuggets can get beat by the Lakers and not Mavs, now that would be so boring:sleep

IronMexican

05-18-2009, 09:10 PM

No, because you are a dumb broad. The Reason Dirk is soft is because Mark Cuban apologized over the internet?

Is Kobe going to start dating super fine 22 year olds a decade from now, cause that's what Jerry Buss is doing?

SA210

05-18-2009, 09:12 PM

I want to know who the 10,000 people are that still watch wrestling

Basketballgirl25

05-18-2009, 09:13 PM

what person made this video really, kind of lame of Dallas to do
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk8TLYI1x8g

j-money24

05-18-2009, 09:15 PM

She's a fake broad.

Cry Havoc

05-18-2009, 09:17 PM

LMAO..professional wrestling has more fans than almost all sports. More people spent $60 to watch the Judgment Day WWE Pay Per View on Sunday than watched either NBA playoff game for free.

The amount of people that attend or purchase a given event is not in any way a symbol of quality. To put it shortly, quantity != quality.

The two best selling CDs of this decade are Shania Twain and NSYNC.

The best selling movies of this decade are The Dark Knight, Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest, Spider-Man, and Star Wars Episode III. Transformers is the 20th best grossing movie of all-time in the box office.

The best selling computer (nearly) every year in the past decade has been a Dell.

The highest rated TV shows have been "Who Wants to be a Millionaire?", "American Idol", "Dancing with the Stars"... etc. And notably in the 1990s it was "Baywatch" for several years running.

And this is all supposing that your analogy is an apt one.

It is not.

The Denver Nuggets are a regional team. Meaning, they appeal to fans in Colorado, (perhaps Wyoming as well) and the local surrounding areas. The WWE has no individual teams of wrestlers that only wrestle in a certain area per region.

They also have relatively infrequent shows, compared to any modern sports team aside from perhaps football. You can't go see the most well-known wrestlers at the sporting arena near you 41 times a year. A major wrestling even has been within a couple hours of me perhaps a handful of times in my life, prior to moving to Chicago.

If you want to do an apt comparison, gauge the number of people that go see ALL NBA games over the course of a week and compare it to wrestling. It would paint a much more realistic picture than picking one team of 15 players out of a league of 30 teams to compare to an entire entertainment company.

I used to be a fan of wrestling when I was 7, and could stomach the incredibly cheesy one-liners, mock tough-guy acts, incredibly overdone heels that were often designed to stir up resentment towards people of other cultures (Iraq, Canada, Saudia Arabia, basically anyone not in the U.S.), and the overall campy niche that oozes from "pro" wrestling. This is not to take anything away from the wrestlers themselves, as they are extremely athletic and obviously very apt as physical specimens and must work hard at their trade. But even as wrestling admits that it's "entertainment", it still masquerades as something that takes itself seriously.

Spurs16212

05-18-2009, 09:19 PM

well, I guess they could all just beat each other up and call it a game

I agree with you there..... Ladder match between Kobe and Carmelo... LOL..

Spursfan092120

05-18-2009, 09:24 PM

I want to know the 10,000 people who still watch wrestling.
Wrestling has a worldwide audience that is as large or larger than any professional sport. People watch wrestling just like American Idol...or any other TV show...it's not a sport..it's entertainment. Wrestling events will sell out stadiums the same day tickets go on sale, even if it's months and months ahead of time. Their flagship show, Monday Night Raw, is the most watched cable program every week, and a lot of times more people watch Raw than any show on television, cable or not. The only television event that was watched more than Wrestlemania 25 in March was the Super Bowl...and to watch Wrestlemania 25, you had to pay $65. Here's a link to someone watching their very first wrestling event...take a look at what they had to say...

http://cdb2.deviantart.com/journal/23964257/

Cry Havoc

05-18-2009, 09:27 PM

Wrestling has a worldwide audience that is as large or larger than any professional sport.

Not even close. Not even in the realm of being close. Soccer. Boom. You're wrong and I don't even have to pull the figures up.

People watch wrestling just like American Idol...or any other TV show...it's not a sport..it's entertainment. Wrestling events will sell out stadiums the same day tickets go on sale, even if it's months and months ahead of time. Their flagship show, Monday Night Raw, is the most watched cable program every week, and a lot of times more people watch Raw than any show on television, cable or not. The only television event that was watched more than Wrestlemania 25 in March was the Super Bowl...and to watch Wrestlemania 25, you had to pay $65. Here's a link to someone watching their very first wrestling event...take a look at what they had to say...

http://cdb2.deviantart.com/journal/23964257/

Again, quantity != quality.

Spursfan092120

05-18-2009, 09:32 PM

They also have relatively infrequent shows, compared to any modern sports team aside from perhaps football. You can't go see the most well-known wrestlers at the sporting arena near you 41 times a year. A major wrestling even has been within a couple hours of me perhaps a handful of times in my life, prior to moving to Chicago.

If you want to do an apt comparison, gauge the number of people that go see ALL NBA games over the course of a week and compare it to wrestling. It would paint a much more realistic picture than picking one team of 15 players out of a league of 30 teams to compare to an entire entertainment company.

I used to be a fan of wrestling when I was 7, and could stomach the incredibly cheesy one-liners, mock tough-guy acts, incredibly overdone heels that were often designed to stir up resentment towards people of other cultures (Iraq, Canada, Saudia Arabia, basically anyone not in the U.S.), and the overall campy niche that oozes from "pro" wrestling. This is not to take anything away from the wrestlers themselves, as they are extremely athletic and obviously very apt as physical specimens and must work hard at their trade. But even as wrestling admits that it's "entertainment", it still masquerades as something that takes itself seriously.
They have infrequent shows because they go worldwide. All I'm trying to prove is that wrestling is still watched, and is still popular. And it's nothing like it used to be. It's not rednecky...or completely corny story lines. The story lines are much better, when they actually have them, but mostly it's just fighting now...and the wrestlers are better..and more seasoned. These guys work 320+ days out of the year...how many sports figures do the kind of extensive work that wrestlers do for over 320 days out of the year? And when it comes to masquerading itself as something serious....duh...if they didn't, no one would watch it. People like to feel like they're watching something serious..even if it's not. That's like people who watch movies and get into them. Or their favorite tv show. You get involved in it. If fans saw wrestlers beating each other up in the ring and then hanging out backstage and laughing it up in the gym, no one would watch.

sribb43

05-18-2009, 09:36 PM

I want to see a Hell in a Cell match ....Big Show vs. K-Mart :lmao

http://www.itis.mn.it/fermitutti/sport/wrestling/hell_in_cell.jpg

Spursfan092120

05-18-2009, 09:43 PM

Not even close. Not even in the realm of being close. Soccer. Boom. You're wrong and I don't even have to pull the figures up.

Again, quantity != quality.
Soccer? Dude...wrestling is watched in large quantities in every country...Soccer isn't popular in EVERY country..it isn't even popular in America. Thing is, when it comes to people who watch wrestling on television, more people watch it than anything else...and that includes paying an average of $60 for a Pay Per View. If you are telling me that the fact that people pay $60 to see something on TV that has the same wrestlers every month, and still more people watch it than ANY game of the NBA Finals, or World Series isn't impressive, then that's completely ignorant.

Cry Havoc

05-18-2009, 09:43 PM

These guys work 320+ days out of the year...how many sports figures do the kind of extensive work that wrestlers do for over 320 days out of the year?

You're right. Those basketball and football players, they're just sitting on their asses and chugging down ho-ho's in the off-season. :lol

And when it comes to masquerading itself as something serious....duh...if they didn't, no one would watch it. People like to feel like they're watching something serious..even if it's not. That's like people who watch movies and get into them. Or their favorite tv show. You get involved in it. If fans saw wrestlers beating each other up in the ring and then hanging out backstage and laughing it up in the gym, no one would watch.

There's a distinct difference between a TV show or movie that's offering the illusion of reality to be poignant or offer a reflection about humanity, or to even tell a basic story about the relationship between people and what happens to them and a faux-sport masquerading-but-not-really as an actual fight between two individuals to win a championship that has been pre-planned. I might know the movie, "Schindler's List" is not real, but it offers a view on humanity that can be interpreted and learned from. The CG movie "Finding Nemo" is still a witty, humorous diatribe about how tragedy can cause difficult issues for a person who is suddenly afraid of life. Even something as silly as "Pirates of the Caribbean" has a relative amount of strong dialogue and character development.

WWE is two to four guys beating the crap out of each other. Except not really.

Cry Havoc

05-18-2009, 09:44 PM

If you are telling me that the fact that people pay $60 to see something on TV that has the same wrestlers every month, and still more people watch it than ANY game of the NBA Finals, or World Series isn't impressive, then that's completely ignorant.

Millions of people bought Britney Spears CDs in the late 90s. By your logic, she's one of the best singers of all time and is a highly impressive individual. I'll repeat myself again: quantity != quality.

Soccer? Dude...wrestling is watched in large quantities in every country...Soccer isn't popular in EVERY country..it isn't even popular in America. Thing is, when it comes to people who watch wrestling on television, more people watch it than anything else...and that includes paying an average of $60 for a Pay Per View.

Are you actually saying that wrestling is more popular than soccer?

:lmao

Just stop dude. Just STOP. You're so fucking wrong it's not even worth talking about anymore.

Spursfan092120

05-18-2009, 09:46 PM

I want to see a Hell in a Cell match ....Big Show vs. K-Mart :lmao

http://www.itis.mn.it/fermitutti/sport/wrestling/hell_in_cell.jpg
LMAO..Elimination Chamber... Big Show, K-Mart, Cuban, Randy Orton, John Cena, Carmelo Anthony (just to see if he'd try to run...it'd be difficult)
http://www.superluchas.net/wp-content/uploads/wwe-elimination-chamber-superluchas.jpg

Spursfan092120

05-18-2009, 09:52 PM

Are you actually saying that wrestling is more popular than soccer?

:lmao

Just stop dude. Just STOP. You're so fucking wrong it's not even worth talking about anymore.
Whoa whoa..when did I say that? Look back..I said AS popular..if not more. I would say that more people watch wrestling on television worldwide than soccer...absolutely. And anyone who watches wrestling today would agree with me. That's in the ratings. You can check that out for yourself. Truth is...every April, the WWE has Wrestlemania..an event that costs $65 to watch. More people watch it than ANY OTHER game in any other sport, except the Super Bowl..and all of those are free. That's saying something. No need to start cussing dude...I'm not trying to offend you..I'm just saying that wrestling is still VERY popular..

duncan228

05-18-2009, 10:26 PM

Updated.

Nuggets, WWE in smackdown over arena confict (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-nba-wweconflict&prov=ap&type=lgns)
By Brian Mahoney

Kobe Bryant and the Los Angeles Lakers are scheduled to be at the Pepsi Center in Denver next Monday night.

Problem is, so are John Cena and a bunch of wrestlers—and they called it first.

World Wrestling Entertainment said it is booked at the arena for an episode of Monday Night Raw, the same night the Nuggets are slated to host the Lakers in Game 4 of the Western Conference finals.

WWE chairman Vince McMahon told The Associated Press he doesn’t believe there was “any malice, just ineptness,” on the part of Kroenke Sports, which owns the team and the building, but can’t tolerate the company “just simply throwing us out on our ear.”

Without a quick resolution, McMahon plans to send his trucks to Denver.

“That’s what we intend to do,” he said. “We’re going to show up.”

WWE spokesman Robert Zimmerman said the organization secured the Pepsi Center last Aug. 15 and has already sold more than 10,000 tickets for the event. He says the organization expects a sellout, with tickets ranging from $20 to $70.

McMahon blamed Kroenke for not believing his team was good enough to still be playing in mid-May.

“The fans in Denver had a lot more faith in making the playoffs than the owner,” he said in a phone interview from Louisville, where Raw was taking place later Monday night.

Denver is usually done with basketball by now. The Nuggets had lost in the first round five straight years, but as the No. 2 seed in the West are in the conference finals for the first time since 1985.

Paul Andrews, executive vice president of Kroenke Sports Enterprises, issued a statement Monday night concerning the scheduling conflict, saying: “We are working with the WWE to resolve the situation amicably.”

The league, which handles scheduling during the playoffs, is leaving it up to the team and the WWE to figure things out.

“The Nuggets and the WWE understand that the date of Game 4 of the Western Conference Finals cannot be changed,” NBA senior vice president Mike Bass said. “We are confident that the Pepsi Center and the WWE will resolve their scheduling conflict.”

Zimmerman said the Pepsi Center confirmed in March with the WWE that the organization wanted to keep the May 25 date, and sent a contract on April 15— the final night of the regular season—which WWE signed and returned. Tickets went on sale April 11.

The conflict didn’t arise until Sunday, when the Lakers beat the Houston Rockets in Game 7 of the Western Conference semifinals. Had the Rockets won, Denver would have had home-court advantage in the next round, hosting Games 1 and 2 and putting the May 25 game in Houston.

As of Monday afternoon, the schedule on the Pepsi Center’s Web site listed WWE for 6:30 p.m. local time and Western Conference finals Game 4 at 7 p.m. Tickets for the wrestling event could still be purchased online.

McMahon said he couldn’t guess how much he would make from the show, but that canceling wasn’t easy because of how much is involved in moving his equipment, plus filling its obligated time slot on USA Network. Litigation is likely—but he plans to be putting on a card.

“When you do have a date, you plan everything around it,” he said, adding, “we may be holding an event in a parking lot somewhere.”

Cry Havoc

05-18-2009, 10:34 PM

Whoa whoa..when did I say that? Look back..I said AS popular..if not more. I would say that more people watch wrestling on television worldwide than soccer...absolutely. And anyone who watches wrestling today would agree with me. That's in the ratings. You can check that out for yourself. Truth is...every April, the WWE has Wrestlemania..an event that costs $65 to watch. More people watch it than ANY OTHER game in any other sport, except the Super Bowl..and all of those are free. That's saying something. No need to start cussing dude...I'm not trying to offend you..I'm just saying that wrestling is still VERY popular..

I can't really fault you. My guess is that you are very young and do not realize the implications of what you say when you make assumptions that wrestling is even one iota as popular around the world as soccer. They are not in the same stratosphere, my friend. Soccer is THE sport in the world. THE entertainment. Short of the Olympics, nothing is even on the same tier as soccer when you are speaking to a worldwide audience. For you to even make a passing comparison between soccer and wrestling shows that you know little about what you speak of, but it is likely out of youth rather than denial. I apologize for my harsh words, but I caution you to do a little research before making grandiose claims, because they often reveal severe levels of ignorance.

Spursfan092120

05-18-2009, 10:43 PM

I can't really fault you. My guess is that you are very young and do not realize the implications of what you say when you make assumptions that wrestling is even one iota as popular around the world as soccer. They are not in the same stratosphere, my friend. Soccer is THE sport in the world. THE entertainment. Short of the Olympics, nothing is even on the same tier as soccer when you are speaking to a worldwide audience.
I'm 29 years old...I've seen ratings of soccer games..I've seen ratings of WWE..worldwide. on television, WWE is just as good. In person, yes, it's different. Soccer stadiums hold 100,000 people in some places, if not more. Wrestling events only hold 10-20,000 people. I'm not going to argue here...it doesn't matter that much to me. Wrestling is something that everyone can watch. I wouldn't watch soccer in person or on television...and that's not saying I hate it..I used to play it. I'm just saying I don't like watching it. And I'm sure there are people who say the same about wrestling. But wrestling is popular..maybe not overall more popular than soccer..and I never said it was...but the way you described it...a bunch of people who "drive around in a truck playing hillbilly music" is an ignorant statement. These guys are entertainers and athletes...and 95% of professional sports athletes could not do what they do on a daily basis.

Allanon

05-18-2009, 10:44 PM

New update:

Unverified as of yet but WWE Raw has been moved to Sunday 6PM to get out of the way....even big ass oiled up men in leotards have to move aside for the Laker Juggernaut.

Incidentally, isn't Monday a part of Memorial Day weekend? Should draw a huge crowd.

ElNono

05-18-2009, 10:48 PM

Spursfan092120

05-18-2009, 10:49 PM

New New Update:

Kenyon Martin will work both Sunday for the WWE and Monday for the Nuggets.
:lmao:lmao

Spursfan092120

05-18-2009, 10:50 PM

JustBlaze

05-18-2009, 10:52 PM

Ha, it'll be real interesting how this mess unfolds through the week. And fuck Vince for taking numerous jabs @ the Nuggets.:lol

Spursfan092120

05-18-2009, 10:55 PM

Ha, it'll be real interesting how this mess unfolds through the week. And fuck Vince for taking numerous jabs @ the Nuggets.:lol
lol..Vince would fuck up all the Nuggets...one by one..lol...dude works out in the gym more than the wrestlers.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2007/07/04/amd_mcmahon.jpg

I don't think he was taking jabs at the Nuggs..I think he was jabbing at the owner of the building and owner of the team. I guess that's the same thing...but as a fan, aren't you a little peeved that the organization didn't even think enough of the team to book the arena through the middle of June, just in case they got where they now are?

Allanon

05-18-2009, 10:58 PM

where'd you hear this?

Gossip; actually...somebody heard from somebody.

The only thing I do know is that the NBA will have it's way....Lakers/Nuggets will not be affected.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/19493120/detail.html

Pepsi Center officials told 7NEWS the Nuggets game is definitely on for Monday night.

But WWE was planning a live, internationally televised broadcast -- WWE Monday Night RAW® -- that night and it's already sold out.

WWE said it has held the May 25 date with Pepsi Center since Aug. 15, 2008.

"Even though the Denver Nuggets had a strong team this year and were projected to make the playoffs, obviously Nuggets and Pepsi Center owner Stan Kroenke did not have enough faith in his own team to hold the May 25th date for a potential playoff game," said WWE Chairman Vince McMahon in a statement to 7NEWS.

Pepsi Center officials said it is working with the WWE on a resolution and it is up to WWE to decide if the wrestling event will be rescheduled or moved to another venue.

But the WWE is not budging.

"We are hoping there is a rabbit pulled out of a hat somewhere," McMahon said during an interview with 7NEWS.

Pepsi Center officials said when a decision is reached, the information will be posted on the Pepsi Center's Web site and a news release will be sent out.

JustBlaze

05-18-2009, 10:58 PM

Man, Rocky would knock his old ass out. :ihit

Allanon

05-18-2009, 11:00 PM

WWE could really take this downer and turn it into a cash cow.

Go find the nearest parkng lot for rental and hold an outdoors WWE megafest...that'd be one for the ages.

Spursfan092120

05-18-2009, 11:07 PM

Gossip; actually...somebody heard from somebody.

The only thing I do know is that the NBA will have it's way....Lakers/Nuggets will not be affected.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/19493120/detail.html

Pepsi Center officials told 7NEWS the Nuggets game is definitely on for Monday night.

But WWE was planning a live, internationally televised broadcast -- WWE Monday Night RAW® -- that night and it's already sold out.

WWE said it has held the May 25 date with Pepsi Center since Aug. 15, 2008.

"Even though the Denver Nuggets had a strong team this year and were projected to make the playoffs, obviously Nuggets and Pepsi Center owner Stan Kroenke did not have enough faith in his own team to hold the May 25th date for a potential playoff game," said WWE Chairman Vince McMahon in a statement to 7NEWS.

Pepsi Center officials said it is working with the WWE on a resolution and it is up to WWE to decide if the wrestling event will be rescheduled or moved to another venue.

But the WWE is not budging.

"We are hoping there is a rabbit pulled out of a hat somewhere," McMahon said during an interview with 7NEWS.

Pepsi Center officials said when a decision is reached, the information will be posted on the Pepsi Center's Web site and a news release will be sent out.
Wouldn't surprise me. Vince is actually not a bad guy...probably just kind of upset..he stands to lose a lot of money. If he wanted to be a dick, he could sue for specific performance, since he does have the contract for that day, and would win. He probably won't do that, though. Something will be figured out.

Spursfan092120

05-18-2009, 11:08 PM

Man, Rocky would knock his old ass out. :ihit
sheeit...Vince can fight, man...lol

dirk4mvp

05-18-2009, 11:25 PM

I caught the last match of whatever wrestling show was on tonight. It was fucking corny.

ducks

05-18-2009, 11:49 PM

are the rockies in town?
if not the wwe can perform in that stadium

TheProfessor

05-18-2009, 11:57 PM

Wouldn't surprise me. Vince is actually not a bad guy...probably just kind of upset..he stands to lose a lot of money. If he wanted to be a dick, he could sue for specific performance, since he does have the contract for that day, and would win. He probably won't do that, though. Something will be figured out.
Vince McMahon is a piece of shit. It's hard to think of anyone who has wrecked more lives with his product and done less to help his employees, when his hand wasn't forced by the government or negative publicity.

Spursfan092120

05-19-2009, 12:04 AM

I caught the last match of whatever wrestling show was on tonight. It was fucking corny.
and what exactly was corny about it? what happened?

Spursfan092120

05-19-2009, 12:11 AM

WWE wins the battle...

http://www.ticketmaster.com/promo/yerofe

http://www.pepsicenter.com/Events/Event.aspx?eid=pqlh/9z9g0w=

Game 4 was cancelled in the Pepsi Center...they'll probably just play it somewhere else, I guess.

ElNono

05-19-2009, 12:14 AM

I bet you they move it to wednesday if they want to keep it on ESPN, or tuesday if it goes on TNT.

Spursfan092120

05-19-2009, 12:17 AM

I bet you they move it to wednesday if they want to keep it on ESPN, or tuesday if it goes on TNT.
Yeah...either way it didn't matter to me..I'd watch either/or on Monday. But I guess a contract is a contract.

TheProfessor

05-19-2009, 12:28 AM

Yeah...either way it didn't matter to me..I'd watch either/or on Monday. But I guess a contract is a contract.
:lol An NBA Playoff game canceled for John Cena and Santino Marella. Classic.

Spursfan092120

05-19-2009, 12:30 AM

I could have been wrong about this. Looks like HOME Game 4 is cancelled for some reason..not game 4. So I guess it hasn't been decided yet.

ElNono

05-19-2009, 12:35 AM

I could have been wrong about this. Looks like HOME Game 4 is cancelled for some reason..not game 4. So I guess it hasn't been decided yet.

Game 4 is a home game for the Nuggets that was scheduled on the 25th. So yeah, it looks cancelled to me.

The_Game

05-19-2009, 12:38 AM

Holmes_Fans

05-19-2009, 12:44 AM

I want to know who the 10,000 people are that still watch wrestling
I bet more people will watch the scripted WWE Monday night raw then they will a scripted game 1 LA vs CLE NBA finals.

Allanon

05-19-2009, 01:07 AM

This shit is pure gold...watch from the man himself:

I think D228 posted the article portion, you gots to see the video.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4176082

The_Game

05-19-2009, 01:18 AM

http://www.e-imagesite.com/Files/sternvsmcmahon49616436.gif

SA210

05-19-2009, 01:27 AM

http://www.e-imagesite.com/Files/sternvsmcmahon49616436.gif

:lmao

SA210

05-19-2009, 01:27 AM

New New Update:

Kenyon Martin will work both Sunday for the WWE and Monday for the Nuggets.

:lmao

Basketballgirl25

05-19-2009, 04:51 AM

New New Update:

Kenyon Martin will work both Sunday for the WWE and Monday for the Nuggets.

and I heard WWE invited Cuban to work for them as well, but he ran away like a chicken with his head cut off, so much for him not being a coward

sribb43

05-19-2009, 07:45 AM

and I heard WWE invited Cuban to work for them as well, but he ran away like a chicken with his head cut off, so much for him not being a coward

byRT8BZmZdM

sribb43

05-19-2009, 07:46 AM

What makes this worse for the Nuggets is that they signed the contract in April :lmao

Basketballgirl25

05-19-2009, 07:49 AM

byRT8BZmZdM

Randy Orton is my hero, Mark Cuban needs that done to him more:toast

pauls931

05-19-2009, 08:50 AM

http://www.e-imagesite.com/Files/sternvsmcmahon49616436.gif

I'm going to work in a good mood today thanks to that!:lol

pauls931

05-19-2009, 08:53 AM

Randy Orton is my hero, Mark Cuban needs that done to him more:toast

I'll give cuban some props for doing that, but I still can't stand him.

manufan10

05-19-2009, 09:10 AM

The NBA is stupid. It is much easier for them to move the game 4 then for WWE to change venues. If WWE changes venues then it will alienate the 10,000 or more people that have already purchased tickets ahead of time. I don't see why the NBA schedule has to be set in stone. It's a bad coincidence and I thought the NBA would handle this better than it has so far. Sure the Nuggets ownership is not very smart for scheduling the RAW event during the playoffs, however, I believe the NBA should be more willing to change the date of the game. Move it ahead one day or move it to Tuesday. No reason to punish the fans, because that is really who is going to get hurt by this. The fans of both companies may end up getting screwed and that is not a good thing.

Chieflion

05-19-2009, 09:18 AM

WWE's new Pay-Per-View battle, David Stern VS Vince McMahon.

Who cares, the NBA and WWE are rigged anyway. Just announce the winners and go home.

kamikazi_player

05-19-2009, 09:26 AM

byRT8BZmZdM
I love wrestling, and Randy Orton is my favorite wrestler.

Randy Orton is my hero, Mark Cuban needs that done to him more:toast
No matter what people say, I still think that Mark Cuban is the most entertaining owner there is. The NBA really needs that. At least he shows some personality unlike some other owners. I like it that he speaks from his mind and does not hold it inside.

Red Hawk #21

05-19-2009, 10:07 AM

Red Hawk #21

05-19-2009, 10:09 AM

over a computer, but at least that proves why Dirk is soft:lol

Once again, do you expect Cuban and Kenyon Martin to meet up in a project building to apologize to one another? Is that the way things work in your neck of the woods?

Red Hawk #21

05-19-2009, 10:14 AM

God, I just read through this whole thread. Funny ass thread, should be classic. BrHornet had me rolling lol, and Btw Basketballgirl is a fool.

arial

05-19-2009, 11:32 AM

This shit is pure gold...watch from the man himself:

I think D228 posted the article portion, you gots to see the video.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4176082

Hah kind of funny since Jonathan Coachman (reporter) used to work for the WWE and was an on air personality for a long time.

ducks

05-19-2009, 12:01 PM

pauls931

05-19-2009, 12:09 PM

No matter what people say, I still think that Mark Cuban is the most entertaining owner there is. The NBA really needs that. At least he shows some personality unlike some other owners. I like it that he speaks from his mind and does not hold it inside.

I can't stand him, but have to agree. He cares more about winning that other owners but tends to get carried away.

Brazil

05-19-2009, 12:22 PM

Not a big deal anyway NBA = WWE

iggypop123

05-19-2009, 12:24 PM

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y198/ThatJuanGuy1/19498070_480X360.jpg

DPG21920

05-19-2009, 12:27 PM

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y198/ThatJuanGuy1/19498070_480X360.jpg

Another bandwagon fan. Great.

iggypop123

05-19-2009, 12:44 PM

Another bandwagon fan. Great.

this guy knows his marketing. milkng the denver mistake there. he is all over espn. it worked. denver is making him richer

Red Hawk #21

05-19-2009, 12:57 PM

Another bandwagon fan. Great.

Lol, whats funny is that when the Outlaws are about to take control of Game 1 I Vince will send a pack of wreslers to interfere and get the game disqualified...

Phonzie20

05-19-2009, 01:02 PM

Who cares, the NBA and WWE are rigged anyway. Just announce the winners and go home.

this

lurker

05-19-2009, 01:09 PM

http://www.e-imagesite.com/Files/sternvsmcmahon49616436.gif
Damn, dude needs to tan the rest of his body.

Basketballgirl25

05-19-2009, 01:46 PM

I love wrestling, and Randy Orton is my favorite wrestler.

No matter what people say, I still think that Mark Cuban is the most entertaining owner there is. The NBA really needs that. At least he shows some personality unlike some other owners. I like it that he speaks from his mind and does not hold it inside.

Yeah, I guess you are right, I mean after Isiah Thomas left the Knicks you need someone to make jokes about Mark Cuban is the next best thing do make fun of

Basketballgirl25

05-19-2009, 01:50 PM

I can't stand him, but have to agree. He cares more about winning that other owners but tends to get carried away.

I don't care if he cares about winning, would love to have a owner like that, but like you said he gets carried away, when he gets carried away, that makes me hate him.

manufan10

05-19-2009, 01:56 PM

I don't care if he cares about winning, would love to have a owner like that, but like you said he gets carried away, when he gets carried away, that makes me hate him.

I'd rather have an owner who cares about winning, occasionally gets carried away then get stuck with an idiot that only cares about money. The Clippers, Donald Sterling, is one that people should hate more. I'd rather see a guy who has a passion for his team then a guy who is just counting money.

Laker-fan-in-SanAnto

05-19-2009, 01:57 PM

NBA is taking the pepsi center for that day!

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manufan10

05-19-2009, 02:08 PM

sribb43

05-19-2009, 02:13 PM

The latest on next Monday's RAW venue problem is that WWE is looking at possibly running the show in Colorado Springs now that the Nuggets have the Pepsi Arena locked up in Denver on Monday.
Whatever WWE decides to do, it would have to be made public soon as they don't have a whole lot of time before the show next Monday night.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/update-on-possible-solution-for-next-weeks-raw-problem-77279

if they moved to Colorado Springs im sure that the WWE would give out some free tickets like they've done in the past to insure the building is as full as possible. The money they would lose in ticket sales im sure would be made up in the amount the Pepsi will need to compensate the WWE.

My guess is that you will never see another WWE event at the Pepsi Center as long as that owner owns the Nuggets...

manufan10

05-19-2009, 02:18 PM

if they moved to Colorado Springs im sure that the WWE would give out some free tickets like they've done in the past to insure the building is as full as possible. The money they would lose in ticket sales im sure would be made up in the amount the Pepsi will need to compensate the WWE.

My guess is that you will never see another WWE event at the Pepsi Center as long as that owner owns the Nuggets...

I think this sucks for the fans no matter what, unless the NBA performs a miracle and changes the date of the game (which is not going to happen).

manufan10

05-19-2009, 02:32 PM

Lilian Garcia: "Tonight's main event is scheduled to be a HELL IN A CELL match! Introducing the challenger from Denver, Colorado weighing in at 240 lbs: 'The Wannabe Gangsta' K-Mart. Introducing his opponent from Dallas, Tx weighing in at 260 lbs: Mark Cuban!"

sribb43

05-19-2009, 02:32 PM

I think this sucks for the fans no matter what, unless the NBA performs a miracle and changes the date of the game (which is not going to happen).

definetly sucks for the WWE fans in Denver and people better not say "oh well, they can just drive to Colorado Springs"...thats a 1 1/2 hr drive

sribb43

05-19-2009, 02:42 PM

I don't care if he cares about winning, would love to have a owner like that, but like you said he gets carried away, when he gets carried away, that makes me hate him.

I'm starting to think that you are really Donald Trump...only one that hates on Cubes this much is Trump himself

Basketballgirl25 = Donald Trump

Basketballgirl25

05-19-2009, 02:55 PM

I'm starting to think that you are really Donald Trump...only one that hates on Cubes this much is Trump himself

Basketballgirl25 = Donald Trump

no actually I am not, I hate Donald Trump as well. I hate all rich people in the sports really just some more then others

manufan10

05-19-2009, 03:02 PM

Send RAW to San Antonio! I'll buy tickets and will be there!!

Cry Havoc

05-19-2009, 03:37 PM

definetly sucks for the WWE fans in Denver and people better not say "oh well, they can just drive to Colorado Springs"...thats a 1 1/2 hr drive

But it's a WORLDWIDE FANBASE!!!! People drive from all over the place to see the WWE! It's so good they don't care how far they have to drive!

:lol

Sausage

05-19-2009, 03:57 PM

STAMFORD, Conn. — The Denver debacle that has jeopardized this coming Monday’s edition of Raw in Denver’s Pepsi Center has yielded an outpouring by some of the biggest arenas in the world who have opportunistically offered to host Monday Night Raw live on Memorial Day.

While working to resolve the scheduling conflict between Raw and the Denver Nuggets’ NBA Western Conference Semifinals game against the Los Angeles Lakers, WWE officials have received proposals from numerous venues including Madison Square Garden and, ironically, the STAPLES Center – the home of the Nuggets’ Monday night opponents, the Lakers. In addition to numerous other venues, these major-capacity metropolitan arenas proposed to have WWE’s flagship program emanate from their locations instead of Denver’s double-booked Pepsi Center this coming Monday.

As reported by WWE.com and countless media outlets, officials from both WWE and the Denver Nuggets are still attempting to determine a resolution for the scheduling calamity in Colorado’s capital.

Check back with WWE.com as additional information becomes available on the sold-out edition of Monday Night Raw.

WWE.com

rayray2k8

05-19-2009, 04:01 PM

http://www.e-imagesite.com/Files/sternvsmcmahon49616436.gif

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nba_experts__24/ept_sports_nba_experts-545043588-1242750600.jpg?ymIKHSBD3K9iNVrn

Double-Up

05-19-2009, 04:07 PM

:lmao

Can you blame him? As for those bitches in your sig I'm still trying to pick the ass I would tap first.

Trainwreck2100

05-19-2009, 04:20 PM

vince is probably figuring out how to best fleece the pepsi center for breach of contract`

Phonzie20

05-19-2009, 04:22 PM

As a rare visitor take it with a grain of salt, but the sigs allowed are incredibly HUGE on this board.

Gets annoying.

manufan10

05-19-2009, 04:22 PM

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nba_experts__24/ept_sports_nba_experts-545043588-1242750600.jpg?ymIKHSBD3K9iNVrn

Game 4 of the Western Conference finals is scheduled for next Monday night at the Pepsi Center in Denver, but there's a bit of a problem (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ApQAP6IEbtX0WEgpwfQ2Nz28vLYF?slug=ap-nba-wweconflict&prov=ap&type=lgns) — WWE chairman Vince McMahon already called "arena shotgun." (Yes, he was outside; it's legit.)World Wrestling Entertainment said it booked the arena for a Memorial Day "Monday Night Raw" broadcast back in August. But now the Nuggets are scheduled to host the Lakers because the Rockets refused to roll over and die. (Damn you, Luis Scola (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3653/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3653/news)!) McMahon says he doesn't believe there was "any malice" on the part of Kroenke Sports, which owns the team and the building, but that didn't stop him from delivering a Ric Flair-like "low blow." Wooooooooo! (http://www.yayboo.com/photos/5/lg/7685.jpg)
"Even though the Denver Nuggets (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/den/) had a strong team this year and were projected to make the playoffs, obviously Nuggets and Pepsi Center owner Stan Kroenke did not have enough faith in his own team to hold the May 25th date for a potential playoff game," said McMahon (http://www.cnbc.com/id/30812864).
Dashiell Bennett of Deadspin (http://deadspin.com/5260074/what-are-the-nuggets-going-to-do-when-wwe-runs-wild-on-game-4) hilariously wonders whether Kenyon Martin's (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3400/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3400/news) mom will team with Edge and Big Show to take on Triple H, Koko B. Ware — not to be confused with Roko B. Ware (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Photo-Roko-B-Ware?urn=nba,132283) — and Stone Cold Mark Cuban in a ladder match for the right to Monday night's gate?
Funny, but I'd prefer they flip the script and just assign the WWE superstars to both the Lakers and Nuggets benches. Think about how incredible that second quarter play-by-play action would read ...
http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nba_experts__24/ept_sports_nba_experts-305211856-1242755107.jpg?ymjQISBDnCWvet5F

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Nuggets-WWE-in-heated-battle-over-arena;_ylt=Alt9JAEeifAdd6xJy06wa6W8vLYF?urn=nba,16 4401

duncan228

05-19-2009, 04:22 PM

WWE makes most of Denver Nuggets arena overbooking (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=txnbawweconflict&prov=st&type=lgns)
By John Christofferson

World Wrestling Entertainment thrives on outlandish story lines and characters, but the company finds itself embroiled in a real-life controversy with the Denver Nuggets. And WWE’s bombastic owner is making the most of it.

The plot: Who has rights to Denver’s Pepsi Center on Monday - the Nuggets, hosting their first Western Conference final since 1985, or the WWE’s traveling TV soap opera?

WWE chairman Vince McMahon, the promoter who helped transform professional wrestling into prime-time television entertainment, fired the first salvo Monday. In interviews with ESPN, he loudly called out Nuggets owner Stan Kroenke and challenged him to a steel-cage match. (Is there any other way to resolve a grudge?)

“Quite frankly, it’s my view that Stan Kroenke should be arrested, should be arrested for impersonating a good businessman, because he’s not a good businessman,” McMahon said on ESPN. “A good businessman doesn’t book a World Wrestling Federation live televised event on Monday night realizing that his team in all likelihood would not make the playoffs.”

WWE spokesman Robert Zimmerman said the company reserved the Pepsi Center on Aug. 15 and had already sold more than 10,000 tickets for its the Monday Night Raw event. He said the organization expects a sellout, with tickets ranging from $20 to $70.

But the Nuggets are planning to play Game 4 of the NBA’s Western Conference finals against the Los Angeles Lakers on Monday at the Pepsi Center, the team’s home floor.

McMahon was not available Tuesday to comment, a spokesman said. On Monday, he told The Associated Press he couldn’t tolerate the team “just simply throwing us out on our ear.”

A telephone message left for a Nuggets spokesman Tuesday wasn’t immediately returned.

Paul Andrews, executive vice president of Kroenke Sports Enterprises, issued a statement Monday night a bit more understated than McMahon. “We are working with the WWE to resolve the situation amicably,” he said.

The NBA, which sets the playoff schedule, is leaving it to the Nuggets and the WWE to work out the dispute.

The conflict provides a welcome boost of publicity as the Stamford-based producer of live television wrestling matches tries to fill arenas and sell pay-per-view events amid the weak economy, branches into making movies, and deals with the fallout from a substance abuse and drug testing policy that has resulted in more than 30 suspensions since it began in 2006.

“Vince McMahon is one of the greatest promoters of all time,” said Alan Gould, senior media analyst with Natixis Bleichroeder Inc in New York. “Any publicity for wrestling is good publicity. It’s almost free marketing for wrestling and the sport.”

WWE is promoting the arena dispute as the “Denver Debacle” on its Web site, which it said got 18 million U.S. unique visitors last month, more than than CBS.com, ABC.com, NBC.com, NFL.com or NBA.com.

Jeffrey Thomison, an analyst with Hilliard Lyons in Louisville, Ky., who has been covering the entertainment industry for two decades, said he’s never seen a similar conflict.

“I don’t think he’s putting on an act here,” Thomison said of McMahon. “He genuinely is upset.”

Monday Night Raw draws almost 6 million viewers weekly, making it one of the top rated programs on cable television, Thomison said.

“The conflict has to be resolved very soon,” Thomison said. “Monday Night Raw is a very valuable asset to the company.”

The WWE said its crews will be in Denver on Monday night, even if it means putting on a show in a parking lot.

duncan228

05-19-2009, 04:25 PM

Double bookings at arenas can mean double trouble (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=txdoublebooking&prov=st&type=lgns)
By Eddie Pells

The soothing sounds of Yanni and the chair-breaking chaos of pro wrestling have this much in common: They put bodies in the seats, money in the register and have caused the NHL and NBA a couple of headaches this playoff season.

They also remind that while teams like the Denver Nuggets and Pittsburgh Penguins play for cups and rings and trophies, the bottom line at their arenas - and most arenas - is still the bottom line.

“The facility is just as important, or in some cases, more important than the franchise itself,” explains Wayne McDonnell, a professor at the New York University Tisch Center who used to handle scheduling logistics at Madison Square Garden.

Which is one way to explain how the Penguins recently found themselves getting iced by Yanni and the Nuggets currently find themselves in a smackdown with Vince McMahon, the chairman of World Wrestling Entertainment.

The company that owns the Nuggets had to scrub next week’s WWE Monday Night Raw wrestling date at the Pepsi Center to make way for Game 4 of the Western Conference finals against the Lakers.

Earlier this month, a Yanni concert scheduled for Mellon Arena in Pittsburgh - along with a number of other events, including WWE - forced the Penguins and Washington Capitals to play playoff games on back-to-back nights, first in Pittsburgh, then in Washington.

The Nuggets, Colorado Avalanche and the Pepsi Center are all owned by the same company. Squeezing every penny out of that building through ticket sales, concessions, parking, luxury suites and souvenirs for all events - even those not involving the primary tenants - helps pay the multimillion-dollar salaries that keep the teams in business.

Though the Penguins and Mellon Arena aren’t co-owned, the bottom line is basically the same: A building that hosts an event normally makes somewhere between $100,000 and $500,000, and nobody wants to give up that kind of cash. That’s especially true in Pittsburgh, where the arena is nearly 50 years old and doesn’t draw as many top events as the newer buildings.

“Underutilizing the facility can be a detriment to the organization in the long run,” McDonnell said.

McDonnell said sloppy clerical work and the never-ending quest to make money were the most likely reasons for the double bookings. Most arenas have schedules and calendars and contingency plans in place months and years in advance.

The WWE-Nuggets imbroglio, he said, almost certainly was not caused by owner Stan Kroenke’s lack of faith in his team. Trying to stir the pot, McMahon said if Kroenke had really believed in the Nuggets, he wouldn’t have been booking the arena during playoff time.

“He’s not sitting at his desk doing scheduling,” McDonnell said. “The bottom line is, it probably doesn’t sit well with the Denver Nuggets audience, thinking he doesn’t have faith. But that’s probably not the case. All you have to do is look at the players he acquired and the team he assembled.”

Indeed, the Nuggets weren’t picked as a playoff team by many back in August, which is when the WWE date at the Pepsi Center was secured - and nearly three months before the team traded for Chauncey Billups.

That, however, changed everything. But regardless of the roster, anyone looking to rent an American arena that has hockey or basketball teams as its primary tenants in May should do some double checking.

In 2007, Steve Penny, president of USA Gymnastics, was deciding whether to put his 2008 Olympic trials in Boston or Philadelphia.

“They did a thesis statement on the odds of the Celtics getting to the ’08 NBA finals,” Penny said. “I’ll just say, if you could’ve put money on it in Vegas, you would’ve done it.”

But that paper was written well before the Celtics acquired Kevin Garnett, who did, in fact, lead the Celtics to the finals in 2008.

Luckily, Penny had done his homework and chosen Philadelphia, mainly because that city’s backup venue, The Spectrum, was a better option than the No. 2 choice in Boston, 6,300-seat Agganis Arena at Boston University.

“Basically, I had a friend who said, ‘Steve, do you like to sleep at night?”’ Penny recalled. “I said, ‘Yeah.’ He said, ‘Well, what happens if the Celtics make a run next year and you spend the first six months of your Olympic year wondering if your building is going to be available?”’

That sealed the deal.

It appears there was no such forward thinking in the case of the Nuggets and the WWE. That has left McMahon scrambling and the Pepsi Center facing possible litigation. McMahon needs to find a venue for his event, which is supposed to be televised on USA Network.

“We may be holding an event in a parking lot somewhere,” he said.

For the record, the Pepsi Center parking lot is booked Aug. 20 through Sept. 6, when Cirque de Soleil comes to town.

Morg1411

05-19-2009, 04:53 PM

manufan10

05-19-2009, 05:12 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZW1Y4Lg9yM

Spursfan092120

05-19-2009, 09:41 PM

But it's a WORLDWIDE FANBASE!!!! People drive from all over the place to see the WWE! It's so good they don't care how far they have to drive!

:lol
Did you get beat up by wrestlers as a kid? Why do you hate so much?

Spursfan092120

05-19-2009, 09:44 PM

send raw to san antonio! I'll buy tickets and will be there!!
+1000

duncan228

05-19-2009, 11:49 PM

You Got Schooled: Summer Slammed (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/You_Got_Schooled_Summer_Slammed.html)
By Chris Ferrell - Express-News

In one of the most famous episodes of the “Brady Bunch,” Marcia finds herself with two dates on the same night.

After agreeing to go to a dance with Charlie, she gets asked out by Doug, who just happens to be the big man on campus, and also accepts.

So she gives nice-guy Charlie an excuse and plans to go out with Doug.

Marcia, Marcia, Marcia.

But then Peter’s errant football toss hits Marcia in the face, grotesquely smashing her nose. Doug, it turns out, was only interested in Marcia’s looks and breaks off the date.

Fortunately, for Marcia’s social life, Charlie was still willing to take her out.

Congratulations, Denver Nuggets owner Stan Kroenke. In the midst of the team’s best playoff run in 25 years, you’ve found yourself in the middle of a Brady Bunch plot line.

Stan, Stan, Stan.

What in the name of Sherwood Schwartz was Kroenke’s Pepsi Center staff thinking when booking World Wrestling Entertainment’s “Monday Night Raw” on a night that could potentially interfere with a home playoff game? The contract with WWE was actually finalized on the last day of the regular season, when the Nuggets were assured of being either the No. 2 or No. 3 seed in the West. That meant they were likely to play at home on May 25 if they advanced to the Western Conference finals.

Pepsi Center, where bad event planning happens.

As expected, the Nuggets will host Game 4 of their conference finals matchup against the Lakers on Monday night at the Pepsi Center. Despite having the arena reserved since last August and selling more than 10,000 tickets for the show, Vince McMahon and his traveling soap opera were told Tuesday to start looking for a new arena with less than a week’s notice.

The WWE said on its Web site Tuesday that it had received offers from New York’s Madison Square Garden and Los Angeles’ Staples Center to host the show Monday.

McMahon, of course, isn’t moving on quietly. He began ripping Kroenke even before WWE got the boot. McMahon said the Nuggets owner clearly didn’t have faith in his team to reach the conference finals when allowing the building to be rented out and suggested Kroenke should be arrested for impersonating a businessman.

The WWE chairman’s flair for the dramatic might be a bit much, but he has every reason to be angry. He had a contract and contends there was no provision saying “Raw” could be pre-empted. Logistics were put in place for the world’s second largest traveling show (behind only the Ringling Brothers circus) to be in Denver on Monday.

Still, as soon as the double booking was discovered, it was clear what the outcome would be.

The WNBA and NHL, when faced with similar postseason arena issues during the past year, moved or rescheduled games. Neither of them is the NBA. The NBA has more clout and a better television contract. Carmelo and Kobe weren’t going anywhere, not for Triple H and John Cena.

“I’m up the creek, and I don’t have a paddle, either,” McMahon told the Denver Post on Tuesday. “I really don’t know what to do.”

But there’s a good chance McMahon knows what he’d like to do. And it probably involves smashing Kroenke’s face with something capable of more damage than a football. Perhaps one of those folding chairs that will be courtside Monday night.

NO VACANCY

2009 Stanley Cup playoffs: The Washington Capitals and Pittsburgh Penguins play back-to-back nights in different cities because of a Yanni concert taking place at Pittsburgh’s Mellon Arena.

Cowboys 2008 training camp: With the Alamodome hosting a Church of God convention, the Cowboys move training camp from San Antonio to Oxnard, Calif.

2008 WNBA Finals: Game 3 between the Silver Stars and Detroit Shock moves to Ypsilanti, Mich., because “Disney on Ice: Princess Wishes” was already scheduled to run at The Palace of Auburn Hills.

2007 NBA playoffs: The Golden State Warriors’ unexpected playoff run bumps the Bill Gaither and the Homecoming Friends gospel music show from Oakland’s Oracle Arena to the nearby Cow Palace.

Avitus1

05-20-2009, 12:07 AM

Someone might be joining the Vince McMahon Kiss My Ass Club by the end of this.

duncan228

05-20-2009, 12:57 PM

A deal is a deal, especially with devilish McMahon (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-jimlitke-052009&prov=ap&type=lgns)
By Jim Litke

Vince McMahon is so good at attaching himself to even the smallest controversy that those custom suits he wears must be made out of Velcro.

The World Wrestling Entertainment impresario’s latest “look-at-me” opportunity comes courtesy of the Denver Nuggets, who simply made an honest mistake. Stan Kroenke, who owns the NBA team, is always looking for ways to lay off the cost of another of his properties, the Pepsi Center. So back in August his people agreed to rent the arena to McMahon & Co. next week for one of those Monday Night Raw extravaganzas.

Nine months ago, no one had any reason to believe the Nuggets would need the building for Game 4 of the Western Conference finals against the Lakers. First-round exits, after all, have become a playoff tradition in Denver. But a deal is a deal, especially with the devilish McMahon, who wasted no time staking out the low moral ground.

He mocked the Nuggets boss for having so little faith in his team, challenged him to a steel-cage match, then suggested having Kroenke “arrested for impersonating a good businessman.” That’s rich, coming from the same guy who burned through $50 million in just a single season trying to sell the public a phonied-up, third-rate football league called the XFL nearly a decade ago

It must bug McMahon to no end that a handful of the gimmicks he pioneered have been folded into mainstream sports. The cameras in the cheerleaders’ locker room and embroidering silly names on the back of the XFL jerseys didn’t catch on — with the notable exception of Chad “Ocho Cinco”—but ground-level action shots, breathless mid-game interviews and elaborate plot development have become a staple of just about every sports telecast.

McMahon didn’t invent steroids or villainy, but both players and owners in other leagues have explored the benefits of sampling those wares, too.

Two of baseball’s biggest stars, Alex Rodriguez and Manny Ramirez, recently were laid low for the kind of performance-enhancing the WWE was literally built on. And only last week, Mavericks owner Mark Cuban, whose Dallas team the Nuggets beat to advance to the next round against the Lakers, did a passable imitation of McMahon himself, inflating small slights until they threatened to overshadow the actual games.

Kroenke won’t play along, but he will wind up paying plenty. McMahon has so far refused to name the number it will take to buy him out, but it won’t be cheap. His outfit said more than 10,000 tickets were already purchased for Monday Night Raw and that a sellout was expected.

That’s on top of all the publicity McMahon has already squeezed out of the scheduling conflict, with who-knows-how-much more still to come. He understands leverage, in all its varied applications, and his lawyers haven’t even weighed in yet.

McMahon said WWE trucks and crews were already rolling toward Denver and they’re prepared, if need be, to stage the show “in a parking lot somewhere.” Even though he’ll extract his pound of flesh, being forced out to the margins yet one more time might be the most galling development of all.

“I don’t think he’s putting on an act here,” Jeffrey Thomison, an analyst who tracks the entertainment industry, said Tuesday. “He genuinely is upset.”

No doubt.

Like every other sports entrepreneur, McMahon is trying to wring every dollar out of every event in a down economy. His “Raw” telecasts pull in almost 6 million viewers weekly, but the seven shows that finished ahead of it in the cable ratings last week all happened to be NBA playoff games.

Few people understand better how money talks. Yet the guess here is that McMahon would sacrifice plenty to be able to write the ending for this dispute, the same way he resolves all the fake ones that arise during every WWE event.

Little more than a month ago, the WWE took in $52 million staging WrestleMania 25 in Houston, making it the highest-grossing one-day entertainment event so far this year. Judging by the applause, the crowd’s favorite moment came when actor Mickey Rourke, who received an Oscar nomination for portraying a washed-up wrestler struggling to hang on, knocked WWE star Chris Jericho with a single punch.

If only it were that easy in the real world.

LnGrrrR

05-20-2009, 12:59 PM

manufan10

05-20-2009, 01:07 PM

Q: What's the difference between the WWE and the NBA?

A: One is an embarrassing sideshow with predetermined outcomes, the other is pro wrestling.

LnGrrrR

05-20-2009, 01:35 PM

I think Vince is totally within his rights to be pissed. I mean, he has a contract, and that's money lost.

Spursfan092120

05-20-2009, 03:00 PM

I think Vince is totally within his rights to be pissed. I mean, he has a contract, and that's money lost.
:tu...The constitution does mean something after all.

bostonguy

05-20-2009, 04:04 PM

This situation would have been much worse if this was during the 99-02 years With Stone Cold and The Rock running the show.

Cry Havoc

05-20-2009, 04:46 PM

Did you get beat up by wrestlers as a kid? Why do you hate so much?

I don't hate wrestling. As I said, I used to be a fan.

I dislike the attitude of overzealous fans who immediately feel the need to defend it's legitimacy as entertainment by using the "well other people like it so it's good" sheep-type mentality. You're validating the idea of wrestling by using the masses to suggest at it's quality. Well, the general public is not the brightest tool in the shed, and I can find little redeeming about the state of wrestling today, that's all.

It is not as if I've never watched before and therefore am coming from an opinion of complete ignorance. I watched every single major wrestling event up until Wrestlemania 18 or so. At which point I outgrew my fondness for watching two nearly naked men fake beat each other up.

:tu...The constitution does mean something after all.

:lmao

Yes. That's in the constitution. :lol

Spursfan092120

05-20-2009, 08:30 PM

I don't hate wrestling. As I said, I used to be a fan.

I dislike the attitude of overzealous fans who immediately feel the need to defend it's legitimacy as entertainment by using the "well other people like it so it's good" sheep-type mentality. You're validating the idea of wrestling by using the masses to suggest at it's quality. Well, the general public is not the brightest tool in the shed, and I can find little redeeming about the state of wrestling today, that's all.

It is not as if I've never watched before and therefore am coming from an opinion of complete ignorance. I watched every single major wrestling event up until Wrestlemania 18 or so. At which point I outgrew my fondness for watching two nearly naked men fake beat each other up.

:lmao

Yes. That's in the constitution. :lol
If you dislike the idea of people standing up for something as entertainment, then you are hating on it. Whether or not you watched it in the past has no bearing on facts. It entertains people...therefore it's entertainment. Maybe more people watch soccer than wrestling, but wrestling is watched by more than any other sport...and more people spend $60 to watch a wrestling PPV than a free playoff game in any sport. I would say more people agree with you than disagree. And if you haven't watched wrestling in 8 years..things have changed. And if you're saying wrestling's not quality..it all depends on what you call quality. Wrestling's been around longer than most sports, and more people watch it more than most, as well, as I've said already. Just because YOU don't like it doesn't give it any less credibility as entertainment. I've run into a good amount of people on HERE who watch it just like I do. Oh..and when it comes to being in the constitution, if you don't think that the rights of a contract with notarization, as this one would had to have been, is a right in the constitution, you need to go back to History class, dude.