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Yonivore
05-21-2009, 10:14 AM
Obama reads a good speech.

clambake
05-21-2009, 10:20 AM
it's weird isn't it.......after 8 years of dumbing down.

FaithInOne
05-21-2009, 10:20 AM
Unless something horrible happens in the first term, Obama has a 2nd one locked up. His cute words are saturated in so much hypocrisy but damn does he sound good.

Fear-mongering on War..Baaaad
Fear-mongering on economy and tax money..Gooooood

clambake
05-21-2009, 10:22 AM
cheney just said "good afternoon".

he doesn't know the time of day.

Wild Cobra
05-21-2009, 10:24 AM
Unless something horrible happens in the first term, Obama has a 2nd one locked up.
Will the libtards continue to like him if his teleprompter doesn't stop failing on him from time to time?

clambake
05-21-2009, 10:26 AM
where's amanda with my pot stickers?

Marcus Bryant
05-21-2009, 10:27 AM
Obama seems to have a 2nd term locked up because his opponent will be coming out of today's GOP.

Greater parts of the electorate want the government out of their pocketbook and out of their bedroom and the GOP can't figure out how to win in this environment? :wtf

Wild Cobra
05-21-2009, 10:32 AM
Obama seems to have a 2nd term locked up because his opponent will be coming out of today's GOP.

Greater parts of the electorate want the government out of their pocketbook and out of their bedroom and the GOP can't figure out how to win in this environment? :wtf
All the republicans need is another Reagan Conservative. Election won!

Marcus Bryant
05-21-2009, 10:37 AM
All the republicans need is another Reagan Conservative. Election won!

ROFL. The electorate doesn't want a Phyllis Schlafly, Jimmy Swaggart, James Dobson approved Republican candidate. Plus you can't count on Obama having a weak campaign in 2012. You're in some serious denial if you think Obama's campaign won't be just as good, if not better in 2012, especially as the incumbent president.

DarrinS
05-21-2009, 10:38 AM
Obama seems to have a 2nd term locked up because his opponent will be coming out of today's GOP.

Greater parts of the electorate want the government out of their pocketbook and out of their bedroom and the GOP can't figure out how to win in this environment? :wtf


They need to stick to fiscal conservatism and drop the social conservatism.

Blake
05-21-2009, 10:41 AM
Obama reads a good speech.

Yonivore plagiarizes bad blogs.

I'll give you that....

Marcus Bryant
05-21-2009, 10:42 AM
They need to stick to fiscal conservatism and drop the social conservatism.

Replace "stick" with "rediscover." At this point, "try" might be more fitting.

LnGrrrR
05-21-2009, 10:47 AM
Wahhh! I'm the GOP and I'm sooo mad that Obama is President! *stomp feet*

It's so nice to see the opposite side come up with great answers to the biggest problems of our day... like taking time to try to throw the word 'socialist' in the Democrat party's name. Way to effectively use your resources!

I might have more respect for the Right if they ever tried to actually SOLVE a problem, rather than naysay every Lefty idea and fingerpoint.

Wild Cobra
05-21-2009, 10:51 AM
I might have more respect for the Right if they ever tried to actually SOLVE a problem, rather than naysay every Lefty idea and fingerpoint.
Does that mean you disrespect the left as well, for nay-saying every republican idea?

Yonivore
05-21-2009, 11:03 AM
it's weird isn't it.......after 8 years of dumbing down.
Bush read a good speech too...the few times he relied on a teleprompter.

Reading is easy.

Yonivore
05-21-2009, 11:05 AM
Well, I'll be interested to see if Obama will declassify the memos that demonstrate the successes of the enhanced interrogation techniques.

And, if not, if he'll stand by his statement today that he will explain why he doesn't.

I won't hold my breath.

FaithInOne
05-21-2009, 11:14 AM
Wahhh! I'm the GOP and I'm sooo mad that Obama is President! *stomp feet*

It's so nice to see the opposite side come up with great answers to the biggest problems of our day... like taking time to try to throw the word 'socialist' in the Democrat party's name. Way to effectively use your resources!

I might have more respect for the Right if they ever tried to actually SOLVE a problem, rather than naysay every Lefty idea and fingerpoint.

You are bitching about the right's kneejerks in this left-right paradigm as you give the same thing.

You are probably so caught up in this left-right game that you cannot comprehend the legit criticism directed towards Obama by logical people. You probably listen to the sweet nectar of his words and take them all for face value.

Viva Las Espuelas
05-21-2009, 11:32 AM
cheney just said "good afternoon".

he doesn't know the time of day.
let's ask him how many states there are

Blake
05-21-2009, 11:33 AM
Bush read a good speech too...the few times he relied on a teleprompter.

Reading is easy.

he didn't rely on a teleprompter enough.

otherwise Letterman wouldn't have so many awesome quotes.

Blake
05-21-2009, 11:34 AM
let's ask him how many states there are

"Iraq would make 51"

ploto
05-21-2009, 11:39 AM
Cheney just needs to go away. The guy had his 8 years and was MIA hiding away for so much of them. We really do not care what he has to say now. Shut up and let the new guy do this job.

ChumpDumper
05-21-2009, 11:44 AM
Bush read a good speech too...the few times he relied on a teleprompter.:lol

How many times did he use a teleprompter?

Give us a number.

ChumpDumper
05-21-2009, 11:46 AM
You are bitching about the right's kneejerks in this left-right paradigm as you give the same thing.

You are probably so caught up in this left-right game that you cannot comprehend the legit criticism directed towards Obama by logical people. You probably listen to the sweet nectar of his words and take them all for face value."The ironing is delicious."

implacable44
05-21-2009, 12:00 PM
Obama seems to have a 2nd term locked up because his opponent will be coming out of today's GOP.

Greater parts of the electorate want the government out of their pocketbook and out of their bedroom and the GOP can't figure out how to win in this environment? :wtf

Out of their pocketbook ? You deem that an Obama stance ? that dude is gonna be so far in your pocketbook that your kids grandkids will still be paying for it.

Marcus Bryant
05-21-2009, 12:44 PM
Out of their pocketbook ? You deem that an Obama stance ? that dude is gonna be so far in your pocketbook that your kids grandkids will still be paying for it.

ROFL. Make a critical observation of the GOP and suddenly you're an Obama supporter. The GOP is toast in 2012 as long as it maintains that attitude.

SnakeBoy
05-21-2009, 01:09 PM
You're in some serious denial if you think Obama's campaign won't be just as good, if not better in 2012, especially as the incumbent president.

I think his re-election is more dependent on events rather than how good his next campaign is. If there is another major terrorist attack in the US or if the economy really tanks further then he is done. If neither of those happen, I think he's a shoe in for a second term even with an average or below average campaign.

clambake
05-21-2009, 01:12 PM
i'm getting the sense that there's a growing amount of people that would like to see another attack.

ChumpDumper
05-21-2009, 01:13 PM
Pray for the worst.

George Gervin's Afro
05-21-2009, 01:13 PM
I guess the GOP hopes for another attack so they can get power back. I'm glad to be an American!

Spurminator
05-21-2009, 01:16 PM
Rah rah rah!

Marcus Bryant
05-21-2009, 01:17 PM
I think his re-election is more dependent on events rather than how good his next campaign is. If there is another major terrorist attack in the US or if the economy really tanks further then he is done. If neither of those happen, I think he's a shoe in for a second term even with an average or below average campaign.

Bush won re-election after a terrorist attack even after he didn't win a majority of the popular vote in the prior election. Be careful what you wish for, politically, as well as for your fellow countrymens' sake.

SnakeBoy
05-21-2009, 01:17 PM
Who said anything about hoping for another attack?

SnakeBoy
05-21-2009, 01:19 PM
Bush won re-election after a terrorist attack even after he didn't win a majority of the popular vote in the prior election.

That's because the country rallied around him after a "suprise" terrorist attack. Obama and future presidents won't be treated the same, instead they'll get the blame.

clambake
05-21-2009, 01:19 PM
Who said anything about hoping for another attack?

subconsciencely[sp] you did.

Viva Las Espuelas
05-21-2009, 01:20 PM
Who said anything about hoping for another attack?
just let the libs have their fun. remember "we" lost.

Marcus Bryant
05-21-2009, 01:21 PM
Fuck yeah. If you criticize us super-patriotic neoprogressive 'conservatives' then yew'se a "lib."

jacobdrj
05-21-2009, 01:26 PM
Why did McCain have to pick an unqualified VP?
Why did Hillary have to have such a loose lip?

Had either of these things not happened, I would feel a lot better about the future...

The last time we had a qualified president might have been Ford, maybe Bush Sr. (And he was gutless)

Yonivore
05-21-2009, 01:46 PM
Why did McCain have to pick an unqualified VP?
Palin was more qualified than Obama.

George Gervin's Afro
05-21-2009, 01:48 PM
Palin was more qualified than Obama.

Uh, the American public disgrees with you.

Yonivore
05-21-2009, 01:51 PM
Uh, the American public disgrees with you.
Facts are stubborn things. An Objective comparison of their employment history will demonstrate she has more administrative and executive experience than Barack.

Uh, the American public has been wrong before...(see James Earl Carter)

George Gervin's Afro
05-21-2009, 01:53 PM
Facts are stubborn things. An Objective comparison of their employment history will demonstrate she has more administrative and executive experience than Barack.

Uh, the American public has been wrong before...(see James Earl Carter)

Fact: Obama won, Palin lost.

Yonivore
05-21-2009, 01:56 PM
Fact: Obama won, Palin lost.
Yeah, so he's told us a few times.

That doesn't make him more qualified.

Viva Las Espuelas
05-21-2009, 02:22 PM
hmm. did palin and obama run for the same thing? i must have a bad memory.

Viva Las Espuelas
05-21-2009, 02:24 PM
Fuck yeah. If you criticize us super-patriotic neoprogressive 'conservatives' then yew'se a "lib."
huh?

SnakeBoy
05-21-2009, 02:25 PM
Fact: Palin didn't have anything to do with McCains loss.


Unless McCain pulls off a stunning comeback, history will note the final two weeks of September as the decisive and defining moment of this campaign. On September 14, the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll showed McCain up by three points. Then Lehman Brothers collapsed and the Wall Street debacle began to dominate the news. McCain’s lead disappeared almost immediately. By September 26, Obama reached the 50% level of support and was ahead by five percentage points.

The Democratic nominee never let go of that lead. Today is the 40th straight day that Obama’s support has stayed between 50% and 52%. Only once during that entire time did his lead fall below four points, and it occasionally expanded to eight (see trends).

LnGrrrR
05-21-2009, 02:33 PM
Does that mean you disrespect the left as well, for nay-saying every republican idea?

For the most part. The Left does come up with ideas in many cases though, as crappy as they are.

LnGrrrR
05-21-2009, 02:34 PM
You are bitching about the right's kneejerks in this left-right paradigm as you give the same thing.

You are probably so caught up in this left-right game that you cannot comprehend the legit criticism directed towards Obama by logical people. You probably listen to the sweet nectar of his words and take them all for face value.

I know alot of Lefties are retarded too. I've slammed Obama on here, and I've slammed Righties. I am barely partisan.

ChumpDumper
05-21-2009, 02:41 PM
Fact: Palin didn't have anything to do with McCains loss.Fact: Palin didn't help McCain at all.

George Gervin's Afro
05-21-2009, 02:44 PM
Yeah, so he's told us a few times.

That doesn't make him more qualified.

So what are the qualifications to be president? Don't give me your opinion I want to know what the constitution says about qualifications for being President.

Yonivore
05-21-2009, 02:58 PM
So what are the qualifications to be president? Don't give me your opinion I want to know what the constitution says about qualifications for being President.
Well, your question makes sense in 1789 but, in 2009 when we are picking our EXECUTIVE in a popularity contest -- barely constrained by the original electoral system envisioned by the framers -- it's a silly question.

But, to answer your question, Palin and Obama are equally qualified, according to the Constitution.

SnakeBoy
05-21-2009, 03:14 PM
Fact: Palin didn't help McCain at all.

I'll agree with that since he did lose convincingly however she was not the cause as your side and the McCain camp like to pretend. If I had to pick the one decision that hurt him the most it would be his retarded suspension of the campaign, rushing back to washington to be the champion of the bailout that most conservatives & independents opposed, and then looking even more foolish when he failed at that.

ChumpDumper
05-21-2009, 03:27 PM
I'll agree with that since he did lose convincingly however she was not the cause as your side and the McCain camp like to pretend. If I had to pick the one decision that hurt him the most it would be his retarded suspension of the campaign, rushing back to washington to be the champion of the bailout that most conservatives & independents opposed, and then looking even more foolish when he failed at that.I agree with all that -- but Palin was still horrible.

Blake
05-21-2009, 03:52 PM
Palin was more qualified than Obama.

was Palin more qualified than McCain?

PEP
05-21-2009, 05:24 PM
Wahhh! I'm the GOP and I'm sooo mad that Obama is President! *stomp feet*

It's so nice to see the opposite side come up with great answers to the biggest problems of our day... like taking time to try to throw the word 'socialist' in the Democrat party's name. Way to effectively use your resources!

I might have more respect for the Right if they ever tried to actually SOLVE a problem, rather than naysay every Lefty idea and fingerpoint.
How is that different from what the democrats do?

Yonivore
05-21-2009, 06:10 PM
I know, I know, the President -- just today -- said America would never again use the enhanced interrogation techniques employed in the previous administration.

So, to what could former Vice President Cheney be referring here?

yV7e6HelSIs

Well, I think it may be this:

Sources: Obama ready to ban harsh interrogations (http://www.blueridgenow.com/article/20090116/news/901160263)

And, indeed, he did pass an executive order in the first days of his administration that set out to reverse all manner of security and interrogation practices adopted by the Bush administration, in the period after September 11. But, did he just play a shell game? After all, if he's serious about this, he could seek legislation from Congress that would outlaw such practices and codify the methods of interrogation to be used.


WASHINGTON (AP) — President-elect Barack Obama is preparing to prohibit the use of waterboarding and other harsh interrogation techniques by ordering the CIA to follow military rules for questioning prisoners, according to two U.S. officials familiar with drafts of the plans. Still under debate is whether to allow exceptions in extraordinary cases.
First, I wonder how that debate resolved and second, I wonder how the Obama people would not consider the enhanced interrogation techniques on only three (out of thousands of captured terrorists) people, to extract actionalble intelligence, wasn't "extraordinary?"


However, Obama's changes may not be absolute. His advisers are considering adding a classified loophole to the rules that could allow the CIA to use some interrogation methods not specifically authorized by the Pentagon, the officials said. They said the intent is not to use that as an opening for possible use of waterboarding, an interrogation technique that simulates drowning.
Hmmm...well, since it's probably classified, we'll never know but, in the absence of legislation to specifically ban the use of the enhanced interrogation techniques, there is nothing to stop President Obama from acting under his Article II powers and pursuant to the various AUMF's passed by Congress, to reconstitute President Bush's CIA interrogation regimens.

The President would be foolish to restrict his own Constitutional Powers but, hey, it was a speech full of self-subjugation to the legislative and judicial branches.

Good for him.

I bolded the words "the intent" because, well, we all know how government treats intentions...

Several organizations have already sent requests to former Vice President Cheney's office to see if he'll clarify this remark. So, I guess, we'll see...

Yonivore
05-21-2009, 06:12 PM
was Palin more qualified than McCain?
Palin brought a different skill set to the ticket. However, she was a qualified to be president as anyone else in the race.

She certainly wouldn't have been the buffoon of vice president Biden's proving to be...

clambake
05-21-2009, 06:13 PM
what actionable intelligence?

clambake
05-21-2009, 06:17 PM
Palin brought a different skill set to the ticket.
:lol you can say that again.

However, she was a qualified to be president as anyone else in the race.
thats your opinion. america has a completely different opinion that was revealed in nov.


She certainly wouldn't have been the buffoon of vice president Biden's proving to be...
prove it.

Yonivore
05-21-2009, 06:20 PM
:lol you can say that again.
And how! :lmao WTF???


thats your opinion. america has a completely different opinion that was revealed in nov.
Alluding to an earlier post; Constitutionally, she was as qualified as anyone in the race. Not an opinion, a constitutional fact.

Now, if we're talking about executive or administrative qualifications; she has far more experience, in both, than does either Biden or Obama. And thems just the facts.


prove it.
Maybe we'll get the chance in 2012.

clambake
05-21-2009, 06:25 PM
Maybe we'll get the chance in 2012.

you better hope for something else. but i'm with u :thumbsup

Wild Cobra
05-22-2009, 10:19 AM
Why did McCain have to pick an unqualified VP?

Do you really believe that?

There's no hope of intelligence with people who believe that. She was qualified as both VP, and president.

Uh, the American public disgrees with you.
No, libtards disagree. Conservatives love Sarah Palin!

Fact: Palin didn't help McCain at all.
You're joking again, right?

McCain wouldn't have had near the support he did without her. She brought the conservatives in. We conservatives didn't care much for senator McCain. He should be a democrat!

Blake
05-22-2009, 11:00 AM
She certainly wouldn't have been the buffoon of vice president Biden's proving to be...

She certainly would have been a buffoon on a level all her own.

byrontx
05-23-2009, 06:22 AM
The Repub obsession with Teleprompters is mildly amusing. I guess you need a Teleprompter to stay on message if you just say the same dumb shit all the time.

Marcus Bryant
05-23-2009, 11:56 AM
Clinton got his dick sucked by a twenty something in the White House, too.

Instead of shedding the GOP of its Wilsonian fundamentalist progressivism, 'conservatives' seek to double down on the prior eight years while confirming that they haven't learned the lesson of the last federal election and also confirming that they don't have any other ideas, save for the notion that a darkie couldn't possibly have a brain and therefore is just a 'gifted speaker.'

George Gervin's Afro
05-23-2009, 01:15 PM
Do you really believe that?

There's no hope of intelligence with people who believe that. She was qualified as both VP, and president.

No, libtards disagree. Conservatives love Sarah Palin!

You're joking again, right?

McCain wouldn't have had near the support he did without her. She brought the conservatives in. We conservatives didn't care much for senator McCain. He should be a democrat!

Boy you guys are bent these days..I guess losing brings out the hysteria.