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Aggie Hoopsfan
05-23-2009, 08:29 AM
Well, this should finish the USA off for good...

I'm sure you Obamites will still be sucking his dick though.

http://www.examiner.com/x-7715-Portland-Civil-Rights-Examiner~y2009m5d22-Cap-and-trade-bill-includes-unemployment-benefits--Largest-tax-increase-in-history


Hold onto your hats folks, here it comes…

In a revealing editorial today, the Washington Examiner (not related to Examiner.com) revealed a huge unemployment package buried in the Waxman-Markley Cap and trade energy bill.

At first glance this just seems like more of the usual Washington shuck-n-jive. However, when one considers the implications of this, it becomes apparent that the writers of the cap and trade bill are very clearly aware that this bill will cost thousands of jobs. So much so that unemployment benefits for those losing their jobs because of it will go for THREE YEARS, 156 weeks. Obviously they are not expecting these hapless folks to find new work easily! The Washington examiner reports that these victims of Washington DC legislation and Congress will get 80% of their insurance premiums paid, a 1500$ relocation allowance, and job search expenses of up to 1500$.

If this is an energy bill… which by the way, is being sold as legislation that will create higher paying “Green” jobs, in higher numbers than those lost, then what are unemployment benefits for up to three years doing in it?

Note to all of those who are supporting this bill, both Nationally and locally here in Oregon, be prepared for your energy costs to go up by a minimum of 50%, and by some estimates up to 90%. Let’s put some numbers with that. Say your average electric bill for a year is 100$ a month. That’s 1200$ a year. Your bill will go up to 150$ a month, for a total of 1800$ a year with just a 50% increase. With a 90% increase that number will be 2280$, or 190$ a month. But that’s not all; the cost of your Natural gas will go up similarly. So will the grocery store’s electric bill, 50% higher refrigeration costs = 50% higher cost passed on to you the consumer. Your Hairdresser’s electricity cost will go up, and so will the cost of your shampoo blow-dry, and Color. Every single industry that uses power of any sort will go up, and your cost of living will rise exponentially.

All this for less that 2 tenths of a degree cooling over the next century, which will absolutely crack up the Chinese and Indians who are praying (if the communist government of China would admit to praying) that this legislation passes! Why?

Because it will absolutely kill the productive engine that is the lifeblood of the United States of America, the economic engine of the world! Of course they want it to pass, it will make them the world’s only superpower. Throw in the fact they own a huge swath of our national debt, and you should now be seeing a very dark black cloud rising over our future.

It should be stressed here, that even a COMMUNIST Government will not institute legislation that will destroy its economy to the extent that this bill will.

This is no doom and gloom prediction, clearly the writers of the bill know it too, or there would not be three years worth of unemployment benefits in it. The section we are speaking of it on page 781 of the 946 page bill. “Title IV, Subtitle B, Part2, Section 426 of the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009” Ah such innocuous and lovely sounding poison they come up with now a days!

Would you like that with a side of Arsenic? Hemlock perhaps?

Exactly where is all of the money going to come from to pay for all those unemployment benefits? The Rich? They will leave the country and take their money with them, just as they did in Cuba so long ago. Big Business? Oh no, they will leave too if they can, or they will fold and be Nationalized as well as GM and 2/3rds of the Auto industry. The Small business owner? They will go out of business. The only ones left will be the little guys, and that means all the rest of us. Can you smell the tax hike coming? There is no fiscal way this can be done without raising taxes to pay for the huge numbers of unemployed that are expected to need this craftily buried unemployment package. Assuming you aren’t on it that is. But don’t expect that to protect you, you still have to pay taxes on your unemployment benefits. A delicious irony no?

Forget Electric cars the only truly green alternative, they will be too darned expensive to charge. The irony of this is just too precious not to comment on…. The only possible alternative to liquid fueled cars will be legislated right out of existence before they can even get produced! Paradox of all green paradoxes! I think the space time continuum just wrinkled a bit… the only truly green car… the contradiction is just too perfect.

Has Washington lost its collective mind? Who is running this place and why are they trying to kill us and our livelihoods? Why are they deliberately trying to take food out of the mouths of our kids? That’s what they are doing. For 2 tenths of a degree? Certainly as China and India make up for our non-productivity, and with the knowlage that they indeed will not institute legislation as stupid and financially unsound as this, it is pointless. They have publically stated they will not do such damage to their economies. Knowing this... that 2 tenths of 1 degree seems likely to get swallowed up by an increase in Chinese and Indian productivity. Can you think of anything more pointless than this? Spitting into the wind perhaps?

Folks the insanity being considered in Washington DC may well make it impossible to live in the United States and live a successful prosperous life. Mexicans won’t be coming here anymore; it will be Americans going to Mexico looking for jobs.

That’s no joke.

The Washington Examiner quotes Ben Lieberman of the Heritage Foundation: “The fact that generous unemployment benefits are buried in the bill means that “green jobs are bunk,”” The Foundation found that “Waxman-Markey is the largest, most intrusive energy tax increase in American history. It would reduce the nation’s GDP by 7.4 Trillion, raise electricity rates 90 percent and gasoline prices 74%.”

So, how do you like that “Hope and Change” now? This what you were expecting and voted for? We were warned by Obama himself, he said he was going to do it in the campaign, kill coal… this is your government at work.
Unless you stop it by contacting your congressperson now.

Otherwise get ready for the worst; you might want to buy a lot of extra blankets while the prices are still low.

AZLouis
05-23-2009, 08:52 AM
The section we are speaking of it on page 781 of the 946 page bill. “Title IV, Subtitle B, Part2, Section 426 of the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009” Ah such innocuous and lovely sounding poison they come up with now a days!


http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090515/hr2454.pdf

Aggie Hoopsfan
05-23-2009, 09:39 AM
This is a horrible bill.

It also puts the responsibility for taking care of all the unemployment stuff on the state unemployment agencies. Yeah, that won't mean taxes go up in each and every state in the country to pay for the cost of administrating those services.

Unfuckingreal. :td

Aggie Hoopsfan
05-23-2009, 09:46 AM
:lmao

All industries except oil and the utility industry are being given waivers/credits by Congress.

95% of you will pay less taxes under my administration.... of course you're going to take it up the ass on your electricity bills and at the gas pump... [/obama]

Thanks to all you sycophants who voted for the Messiah and put us on this road to ruin :td

clambake
05-23-2009, 10:01 AM
sounds like a "just in case" proposal. you do realize that unemployment is the key to this country's recovery, right?

oh yeah, and how much more will YOU be paying in taxes, aggie?

Aggie Hoopsfan
05-23-2009, 10:12 AM
sounds like a "just in case" proposal. you do realize that unemployment is the key to this country's recovery, right?

The projections from the Heritage Foundation are that over a million jobs will be lost thanks to the cap and trade bill. ONE MILLION. Where do you think the money from that is going to come from?



oh yeah, and how much more will YOU be paying in taxes, aggie?

I'm sure I'll be paying more taxes - whether they are direct increases when the bills come due for Obama's socialist projects, or when the energy and oil companies pass on their global warming taxes onto me every time I get an electricity bill, fill up at the gas station, or buy any good.

You do realize that when electric bills go through the roof because of this shit that everyone - from the grocery stores to the restaurants to any retail outlet with a roof - is going to raise their prices to cover their electric costs, right?

It's cute that you are attempting to turn this into something about me. EVERYONE, even you bums who worship at the house of Obama, are going to be paying more for everything all because of this stupid bill.

I'm sorry you can't comprehend what is going to happen to what's left of our economy if this things gets signed. Any industry that can will say fuck it and leave and go somewhere else (and take the jobs with them). All the rich are going to say the hell with it too and take their money and run.

And all that's going to be left is some shell of the U.S. where everyone is on the government tit for no one to pay for it.

Come on, think for yourself for once.

angrydude
05-23-2009, 10:13 AM
sounds like a "just in case" proposal. you do realize that unemployment is the key to this country's recovery, right?

oh yeah, and how much more will YOU be paying in taxes, aggie?


no the key to this countries recovery is for the government and the FED to leave the it the hell alone.

too bad that will never happen.

clambake
05-23-2009, 10:29 AM
The projections from the Heritage Foundation are that over a million jobs will be lost thanks to the cap and trade bill. ONE MILLION. Where do you think the money from that is going to come from?
i wouldn't buy an apple from any crooked conservative think tank.




I'm sure I'll be paying more taxes - whether they are direct increases when the bills come due for Obama's socialist projects, or when the energy and oil companies pass on their global warming taxes onto me every time I get an electricity bill, fill up at the gas station, or buy any good.
your beloved oil and energy cos. are going to fuck you in both ears no matter what happens anywhere regarding anything....just like before.

let me hear it....."Drill Now".


You do realize that when electric bills go through the roof because of this shit that everyone - from the grocery stores to the restaurants to any retail outlet with a roof - is going to raise their prices to cover their electric costs, right?
nah, if they get out of hand they'll get moved on....you know what i mean?


It's cute that you are attempting to turn this into something about me. EVERYONE, even you bums who worship at the house of Obama, are going to be paying more for everything all because of this stupid bill.
:lol i just asked you a question you're not equipped to answer.


I'm sorry you can't comprehend what is going to happen to what's left of our economy if this things gets signed. Any industry that can will say fuck it and leave and go somewhere else (and take the jobs with them). All the rich are going to say the hell with it too and take their money and run.
not if they want to do business in the US.......but kudos on the cheney fearmongering.


And all that's going to be left is some shell of the U.S. where everyone is on the government tit for no one to pay for it.
we've had these discussions before.......and you have no up close and personal idea of how the majority of business operates.


Come on, think for yourself for once.

ok...sure

FaithInOne
05-23-2009, 11:01 AM
What else is new.

I hope the new system takes down every americant who voted all of these scum in.

clambake
05-23-2009, 11:06 AM
What else is new.

I hope the new system takes down every americant who voted all of these scum in.

what did you think about bush and his 700B bailout?

here's a newsflash.......he had to do it.

FaithInOne
05-23-2009, 11:09 AM
No bail out to any auto company.

Let them go bankrupt and move to right to work states.


Awesome awesome awesome when your own fucking union becomes an even bigger creditor :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

SnakeBoy
05-23-2009, 11:35 AM
I'm sure you Obamites will still be sucking his dick though.


If you look at all the threads about the actions Obama is taking you'll see they aren't sucking his dick anymore. Instead they just try and turn the threads into "What about Bush" threads.

Marcus Bryant
05-23-2009, 11:40 AM
And so the politicians in thrall of crazed zealots, of the left and right, destroy this country. Ten years ago the state looked like it had its house in order, save for the errant big tittied brunette sucking off the President's Commander-in-Chief in the Oval Office. At least when congressional Republicans weren't worried about that they did manage to live up to the fiscal conservatism they preached.

After 9/11 this country went to hell. Between the obvious pandering to the Israel can do no wrong lobby and the fundamentalists who have no problems with great Christian American warriors killing the infidel Moslems, the state has set us up for decades more of being on a war footing. Not to mention the damage the rampant defense expenditures to finance the invasion of Iraq (which was predicated on a figment of Saddam's imagination) have done to the state's finances. Of course we find out the Fed couldn't do its job and cut off yet another asset bubble, instead choosing to inflate the currency to pay for the aforementioned increased military expenditure.

Now, instead of "conservatives" being pissed at the prior administration for setting up this country to be Swedenized, they instead continue to march in lock step with the fucking idiots who brought us to this point.

Trainwreck2100
05-23-2009, 12:45 PM
i want one of these jobs so i can spend 3 years sitting on my ass and doing nothing

George Gervin's Afro
05-23-2009, 01:13 PM
Well, this should finish the USA off for good...

I'm sure you Obamites will still be sucking his dick though.

http://www.examiner.com/x-7715-Portland-Civil-Rights-Examiner~y2009m5d22-Cap-and-trade-bill-includes-unemployment-benefits--Largest-tax-increase-in-history

t could do this..! It could do that..! Oh the horror!!!


Sounds like a lot of guessing and fear mongering.. I thought you guys were against fear mongering?

Aggie Hoopsfan
05-23-2009, 06:18 PM
t could do this..! It could do that..! Oh the horror!!!


Sounds like a lot of guessing and fear mongering.. I thought you guys were against fear mongering?

You're lecturing against fear mongering? :lol Talk about hypocritical. It's all Obama, Axelrod, Pelosi and co. do.

"The world is going to end unless we have a huge budget, bailout the unions, bailout GM, Chrysler, etc. on the taxpayer dime."


clambake - I give up. I can't reason with someone who is staring at trillions of dollars in deficit spending but somehow thinks anyone with a job or that consumes anything in this country won't be paying for it. Talk about clueless..

As to Marcus Cryant - where did I ever absolve Bush of blame? He was out of control WRT spending during his administration, and a couple of years back when he actually had a Republican Congress those jackasses weren't exactly fiscally conservative. They all share a blame in this.

But it's stupid to go back on those times when the Dems are going on three years with control of both houses of Congress, and the Messiah is spending money like it's going out of style. Which is ironic, because if this all keeps up, the US Dollar won't just be out of style, it'll be out of existence.

Wild Cobra
05-23-2009, 08:09 PM
Folks the insanity being considered in Washington DC may well make it impossible to live in the United States and live a successful prosperous life. Mexicans won’t be coming here anymore; it will be Americans going to Mexico looking for jobs.And I'll bet Mexico will patrol the border and enforce immigration like they do at the southern border! They may even build a wall...

Rogue
05-24-2009, 04:59 AM
And so the politicians in thrall of crazed zealots, of the left and right, destroy this country. Ten years ago the state looked like it had its house in order, save for the errant big tittied brunette sucking off the President's Commander-in-Chief in the Oval Office. At least when congressional Republicans weren't worried about that they did manage to live up to the fiscal conservatism they preached.

After 9/11 this country went to hell. Between the obvious pandering to the Israel can do no wrong lobby and the fundamentalists who have no problems with great Christian American warriors killing the infidel Moslems, the state has set us up for decades more of being on a war footing. Not to mention the damage the rampant defense expenditures to finance the invasion of Iraq (which was predicated on a figment of Saddam's imagination) have done to the state's finances. Of course we find out the Fed couldn't do its job and cut off yet another asset bubble, instead choosing to inflate the currency to pay for the aforementioned increased military expenditure.

Now, instead of "conservatives" being pissed at the prior administration for setting up this country to be Swedenized, they instead continue to march in lock step with the fucking idiots who brought us to this point.
That's sad but also an undoubted truth, the planes crashes brought US much more damage than the twin towers only. Americans used to believe they were living in a holy land where they could never smell any shit even in toilets, but some terrorists just urined right over their heads on Sep.11, 2001.

A shower is fucking enough to clean out the urine and bad smell, but still too short to clear up the ruins in the minds of those 350 million Americans. Although the US troops let the terrorists "hear the report" immediately after the attack, it's more like cussing a mosquito after getting biten by it, than a God-given mission to sweep out the thugs. Terrorists have been living in the world for many decades, since long before the 9/11, but Uncle Sam didn't take any action until they rushed into his own house.

Before the attack, Uncle Sam used to prevaricate on the terrorism affairs, at least he wasn't very insistent and sworn against those thugs. The attack surely changed something and made him burn most of his deposition in Afghanistan and Iraq, which contributed to the financial storm, though that's not the major force that drove that storm.

clambake
05-24-2009, 10:32 AM
clambake - I give up. I can't reason with someone who is staring at trillions of dollars in deficit spending but somehow thinks anyone with a job or that consumes anything in this country won't be paying for it.
it hasn't dawned on you how connected we all are......i don't think it ever will.

Talk about clueless..
i would never tread on your expertise. like i said before, bush HAD to do it.

Marcus Bryant
05-24-2009, 09:24 PM
As to Marcus Cryant - where did I ever absolve Bush of blame? He was out of control WRT spending during his administration, and a couple of years back when he actually had a Republican Congress those jackasses weren't exactly fiscally conservative. They all share a blame in this.

But it's stupid to go back on those times when the Dems are going on three years with control of both houses of Congress, and the Messiah is spending money like it's going out of style. Which is ironic, because if this all keeps up, the US Dollar won't just be out of style, it'll be out of existence.

Who set up the current situation? And it's not like TARP was pushed for and created on Obama's watch.