Jones’ Trip Of Kobe Earns Him A Reprimand

[duncan228]

Edit: Updated in post #15.

Jones’ trip of Kobe earns him a reprimand (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=txnuggetsjones&prov=st&type=lgns)
Arnie Stapleton

A day later, the NBA blew the whistle on Dahntay Jones for tripping Kobe Bryant.

The league assessed Denver’s defensive specialists a flagrant-1 foul for sending the Lakers’ star sprawling through the lane with a trip late in the third quarter that Bennett Salvatore’s officiating crew missed.

Los Angeles coach Phil Jackson complained about Jones’ “unacceptable defense, tripping guys and playing unsportsmanlike basketball” during a rant about the officiating.

Jackson’s rip on Jones came after Los Angeles fell 120-101 to Denver to tie the Western Conference finals at 2.

[DrHouse]

I think he's suspended for Game 5 then right?

That's 3 flagrant fouls...

[Fabbs]

Dr. Fag,

You, Phil and Derek Swisher are not in the clear yet.

Players who exceed three flagrant-foul points during the playoffs receive an automatic one-game ban. Jones' ledger is at two points after two earlier flagrant fouls this postseason and would rise to three should the league office reclassify Monday's trip as a Flagrant 1.

[sonic21]

He's pretty much been a non factor in every game

[Morg1411]

Dr. Fag,

You, Phil and Derek Swisher are not in the clear yet.

Players who exceed three flagrant-foul points during the playoffs receive an automatic one-game ban. Jones' ledger is at two points after two earlier flagrant fouls this postseason and would rise to three should the league office reclassify Monday's trip as a Flagrant 1.

Hopefully he'll make his next flagrant worth the coming suspension. We need a good old-fashioned hip check or a Bruce Bowen style kung-fu face-kick in this series.

[Shank]

Key word is 'exceed'.

He'll sit right at 3 points.

Next is a suspension.

[LakerHater]

WOW!!!!
http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/13.gif

League jus showin how much they suck the flakers dick!!
Had it been the other way around nothing woulda happend!!


This is BULLSHIT!

[Flux451]

The right call would be a technical for the trip.

[DrHouse]

Jones on the floor is a plus for LA. Less JR Smith, more Jones.

[Allanon]

Good Call by the NBA.

Intentionally tripping a player is definitely a flagrant.

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[Spur-Addict]

I guarantee early foul trouble in game 5. Something reminiscent of game 2 I believe where Jones had four fouls in the first 6 minutes or something. Absurd.

[DollarSlice]

I wonder if it had anything to do with Jackson going off to the reporters... check out the article here. (http://www.nba.com/2009/playoffs2009/05/26/bryant.tripping.20090525.ap/index.html?cid=playoff1)

[duncan228]

I wonder if it had anything to do with Jackson going off to the reporters... check out the article here. (http://www.nba.com/2009/playoffs2009/05/26/bryant.tripping.20090525.ap/index.html?cid=playoff1)

Some conversation about Jackson's 'unsportsmanlike' comments here:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127282

[Allanon]

I wonder if it had anything to do with Jackson going off to the reporters... check out the article here. (http://www.nba.com/2009/playoffs2009/05/26/bryant.tripping.20090525.ap/index.html?cid=playoff1)

""Just playing hard," Jones said. "If he can't respect it, I'm sorry. I'm trying to be aggressive and give it all I have out there. My teammates appreciate it."

Especially Kenyon Martin, who has also been accused of dirty play.

"You're a dirty player now. Welcome. It's an elite club being considered one of those," Martin said when told about Jackson's comments."




Phil should just send mBenga out and lay the wood on Billups when he drives; "Just playing hard" :)

[duncan228]

Updated.

Denver's Jones assessed flagrant foul for tripping (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=afp-basketnbafouls&prov=afp&type=lgns)

The National Basketball Association assessed Denver's Dahntay Jones a flagrant foul on Tuesday, a day after he tripped Lakers star Kobe Bryant in game four of the Western Conference finals.

The match officials, which Denver won 120-101 didn't call a foul on the play, which had Lakers coach Phil Jackson fuming after the game.

"Just unacceptable defense," Jackson called Jones's move, "tripping guys and playing unsportsmanlike basketball."

Jackson said he believed Jones tripped Bryant deliberately.

"It's not the first time it has happened in this series."

Bryant didn't go as far.

"I just fell on my face for no reason," he said when asked if he thought he was tripped. "I'm a klutz."

Denver's victory tied the best-of-seven series at two games apiece, with the Lakers to host game five on Wednesday.

Meanwhile the league rescinded a flagrant foul called against Orlando guard Andrew Johnson for elbowing Cleveland's Mo Williams in game three of the Eastern Conference finals on Sunday.

The incident occurred in the second quarter of Orlando's victory, when Johnson drove the lane and stuck out his elbow, striking Williams near the left eye.

Williams, who required four stitches, was called for a blocking foul, and Johnson was assessed a flagrant foul.

The Magic took a 2-1 series lead into game four on Tuesday.

[IronMexican]

I wonder if it had anything to do with Jackson going off to the reporters... check out the article here. (http://www.nba.com/2009/playoffs2009/05/26/bryant.tripping.20090525.ap/index.html?cid=playoff1)

Why do you do that in almost all your posts? Do you like work for NBA.com in getting them views or something?

[DPG21920]

So tripping is a flagrant but kneeing and elbowing Shane Battier in the face when they are on the ground is not?

[BadOdor]

So tripping is a flagrant but kneeing and elbowing Shane Battier in the face when they are on the ground is not?

You could argue that it wasn't intentional on Kobe's part. Here's, it's pretty clear there was intention.

[duncan228]

Why do you do that in almost all your posts? Do you like work for NBA.com in getting them views or something?

From April.


Hey guys I'm working with NBA.com (http://www.nba.com/playoffs2009/) for the playoffs...

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3323611#post3323611

[Allanon]

You could argue that it wasn't intentional on Kobe's part. Here's, it's pretty clear there was intention.

Yup. Kobe was getting up, you do put your knee forward when you stand up.

[Allanon]

From April.



http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3323611#post3323611

OK, now you've officially amazed me; seriously. I'm here almost every day and I totally missed that :lol

[DPG21920]

Yup. Kobe was getting up, you do put your knee forward when you stand up.

What about your elbows?

[DPG21920]

You watch this and tell me that it was not intentional. This is clean basketball? This is not over the line?


http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9988/kobe.gif

[Allanon]

What about your elbows?

Which one? The one to Artest's chest was definitely intentional and I think a flagrant.

The one that was part of the Battier knee was also unintentional. Kobe kneed Battier, Battier got pissed and pushed up hard. Kobe lost his balance, fell forward and hit him in the head again. You can see in the vid that after he got kneed in the head, Battier kind of shot up.

FxGoMAMuDUQ

[Allanon]

You watch this and tell me that it was not intentional. This is clean basketball? This is not over the line?


http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9988/kobe.gif

I don't think so, it could be intentional but I don't think so. You see Battier's ass go upwards, that puts Kobe's momentum forward.

And if you look Kobe's leaned almost entirely over and he's cupping the ball...he has no balance.

[DPG21920]

Allanon you are quite possibly the ridiculous human ever known.

[DPG21920]

Battier is supposed to just lay there and take it :lmao

Where does he "get up hard"

[Allanon]

Allanon you are quite possibly the ridiculous human ever known.

Just being objective, DPG.

[TDMVPDPOY]

htf is that tripping?

wtf was kobes leg doing there in the first place fkn flopper

[DPG21920]

Blaming Shane for that is not being objective. Watching that video you cannot say Kobe did not intentionally knee and elbow Shane in the face and the head. Plenty of people have been tangled up and no contact is ever made like that.

[Allanon]

Battier is supposed to just lay there and take it :lmao

Where does he "get up hard"

Nah, just the wrong place at the wrong time.

I'd be pissed if I got kneed in the head...but his getting pissed also got him the elbow.

Look at his ass, he pushes up which leans Kobe forward even more...Kobe can't brace himself and falls back down on Battier. Check out Kobe's arm, he has nothing to lean onto cuz he's holding the ball. Falling forward is a normal reaction...if Kobe wasn't holding the ball, it probably would have been a hand plant on Battier's head instead of an elbow.

[DPG21920]

Point is, that was just as bad as the tripping. Bitching and moaning by the Lakers and Phil is out of line when you have guys who do the same thing. The league was wrong in assessing a flagrant.

A technical I could see, but not a flagrant.

[DPG21920]

Why couldn't Kobe just roll off him gently? Or just wait on his knees and lift his arms back and let Shane slide out?

To imply Shane had anything to do with it is 75 win ecstasy.

[Allanon]

Point is, that was just as bad as the tripping. Bitching and moaning by the Lakers and Phil is out of line when you have guys who do the same thing. The league was wrong in assessing a flagrant.

A technical I could see, but not a flagrant.

Nah, like I said, it's possibly intentional, but may as easily have been unintentional momentum. If Shane just layed there while Kobe was getting up, he wouldn't have gotten elbowed. But he kind of threw Kobe off his back which got him an elbow to the head.

Dahntay Jones was clearly beat on the play, he decided to reach way out for the trip.

One is definitely intentional, the other one nobody knows.

[Allanon]

Why couldn't Kobe just roll off him gently? Or just wait on his knees and lift his arms back and let Shane slide out?

To imply Shane had anything to do with it is 75 win ecstasy.

Kobe was still cupping the ball with his arm, so he didn't really have balance. He put his knee forward to stand up and unintentionally hit Battier in the head.

Battier reacted violently and that got him the elbow.

[DPG21920]

How do you know that it was intentional? Are you in his mind? Many people when they get beat and have their body going 1 direction and their mind going another stick out their limbs to keep from losing balance.

If Kobe would not have gone a different direction, he would not have been tripped.

[DrHouse]

They need to do away with all these flagrant/technical foul BS.

Just let these guys play.

I'm getting tired of everyone analyzing and overanalyzing every little POS play.

[Allanon]

How do you know that it was intentional? Are you in his mind? Many people when they get beat and have their body going 1 direction and their mind going another stick out their limbs to keep from losing balance.

If Kobe would not have gone a different direction, he would not have been tripped.

:lmao You sir, are quite possibly the most ridiculous human being known to man.

[DPG21920]

Kobe was still cupping the ball with his arm, so he didn't really have balance. He put his knee forward to stand up and unintentionally hit Battier in the head.

Battier reacted violently and that got him the elbow.

You suck.

Why did Kobe have to stand up so fast? Why could he not have just waited or rolled the opposite direction of Shanes head? Why could he not have just waited in this position:

http://blog.nj.com/ledgerupdates_impact/2008/08/medium_acl.jpg

[Allanon]

You suck.

Why did Kobe have to stand up so fast? Why could he not have just waited or rolled the opposite direction of Shanes head? Why could he not have just waited in this position:

http://blog.nj.com/ledgerupdates_impact/2008/08/medium_acl.jpg

Players get off the ground; its a part of the game. Notice the elbow comes at the exact second that Kobe's right foot is off the ground.

Kobe was standing on one leg when he delivered the elbow to the head.

[DPG21920]

:lmao You sir, are quite possibly the most ridiculous human being known to man.

You always copy me, why are Laker fans so unoriginal? I was making fun of you and your explanation. If you thought that sounded ridiculous, it just mirrored your serious post about the Kobe/Shane incident.

I just switched around some words. It is weird when you hear yourself sound ridiculous is it not?

[DPG21920]

Players get off the ground; its a part of the game. Notice the elbow comes at the exact second that Kobe's right foot is off the ground.

Kobe was standing on one leg when he delivered the elbow to the head.

You are acting like that was his only option of getting up for the rest of the game. He had to get up and knee/elbow Battier, there was no other options?

Getting tripped and fouled is part of the game.

[Allanon]

You always copy me, why are Laker fans so unoriginal? I was making fun of you and your explanation. If you thought that sounded ridiculous, it just mirrored your serious post about the Kobe/Shane incident.

I just switched around some words. It is weird when you hear yourself sound ridiculous is it not?

You have good material, I apply it when it serves my purpose.

[Allanon]

You are acting like that was his only option of getting up for the rest of the game. He had to get up and knee/elbow Battier, there was no other options?

Getting tripped and fouled is part of the game.

This sounds like your phantom Kobe elbow to Artest's throat argument.

[DPG21920]

lol 75 win ecstasy
lol Memphis playoff team this year
lol OKC playoff team this year
lol Minny playoff team this year
lol Shane's fault
lol lose a game and it might change you mind about a sweep

[Allanon]

lol 75 win ecstasy
lol Memphis playoff team this year
lol OKC playoff team this year
lol Minny playoff team this year
lol Shane's fault
lol lose a game and it might change you mind about a sweep

Might as well get all of 'em

1) Lakers will win the West by a large margin
2) Lakers wiil beat the Jazz
3) Lakers will beat the Rockets
4) Kobe did not elbow Artest in the throat (no suspension)
5) Kobe did not intentionally knee/elbow Battier (no suspension)
6) Cavs will have their hands full with the Magic

7) Lakers will beat the Nuggets
8) Lakers will be champs

[DPG21920]

This sounds like your phantom Kobe elbow to Artest's throat argument.

Nope, that sounds like you failed your anatomy and physiology class. I said Kobe's elbow was aimed at Ron's high chest/low throat area.

Then Allanon says: "what, you might as well say high chest/balls area". Because clearly on the human body, the ball sack and throat are equidistant from the chest.

Kobe did throw an intentional bow, but once again it was Ron's chest/throat in the way of a normal basketball move by Kobe.

[Allanon]

Nope, that sounds like you failed your anatomy and physiology class. I said Kobe's elbow was aimed at Ron's high chest/low throat area.

Then Allanon says: "what, you might as well say high chest/balls area". Because clearly on the human body, the ball sack and throat are equidistant from the chest.

Kobe did throw an intentional bow, but once again it was Ron's chest/throat in the way of a normal basketball move by Kobe.

Give me a minute, I'll go get you the throat quote.

[DPG21920]

Might as well get all of 'em

1) Lakers will win the West by a large margin
2) Lakers wiil beat the Jazz without Okur
3) Lakers will sweep the Rockets
4) Kobe did not elbow Artest in the throat, Artest chest hit Kobe's elbow
5) Kobe did not intentionally knee/elbow Battier, Shane reacted violently and cause Kobe to knee his face and elbow his head. Kobe had to get up, there are no other options.
6) Cavs will have their hands full with the Magic says everyone for the most part including Barkley on national tv.

7) Lakers will sweep the Nuggets even if they lose a game
8) Lakers will be champs

[DPG21920]

Kobe's arm is pointed upward, the reason you cannot see his arm is bc Artest is not a window. You are being pretty pathetic right now.

By the way, once again, Ron got called for a foul, so what is your point? Kobe retaliated by throwing a bow (which he has been suspended for numerous times).


It was right in the lower part of Ron's throat. It is clear. There is only like 5 inches between the top of a logo and the bottom part of the throat.


The Rockets wear v-neck jerseys, if you hit a guy on the jersey, it's obviously not on the neck.



Look at where the R in Rockets is, that's nowhere near the fully exposed neck.

http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2008-w51/img.444568_t.jpg


The camera showed the elbow landing clearly above the logo. Maybe not the entire elbow, but a portion of the arm was in the throat region.


http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9108/picture2fhb.png

Game Over.


Hahah, maybe Kobe hit Artest with a shadow? You can clearly see his elbow is NOT touching the throat, only chest.

There's no contact with the throat in your picture. :lol

Look at Ron's face, he looks perfectly happy in your picture, a bit too happy for somebody hit in the throat? :lol


Upperchest, lower throat same region. That is like saying "I hit him in the jaw, not the face".

Clinging to semantics is what is funny. You cannot see Ron's throat in that picture can you? Where did it go?


Upper chest and throat are the same region? That's like saying I punched him in the face, not the throat. Two separate areas.

The chest can take a helluva lot more pounding than the throat.



Hahah, you can clearly see there's no contact (there's a shadow under Kobe's elbow, Kobe's elbow is clearly not touching Ron's throat at all).

This is a picture of Artest clearly fouling Kobe, not the other way around. Just look at how high off the ground both Kobe's feet are while Artest's feet are fully planted :lol

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9108/picture2fhb.png


Does the chest not flow into the throat? Like I said, part of his arm hit his upper chest, part his throat.


And the chest all flows into the nutz. I guess you could say Kobe elbowed him in the nutz too :lol


Owned.

[Allanon]

It was right in the lower part of Ron's throat. It is clear.


Mesage from the NBA (not just Allanon)

Jackson also announced that the Lakers' Kobe Bryant has been assessed a flagrant foul one for elbowing Houston's Ron Artest in the chest area in the fourth quarter.

Shhhhhh, girl

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[DPG21920]

Doesn't change the ecstasy of the argument. I said he hit him in the chest/throat region. Since it was not directly into the throat or head, no suspension. But he got a flagrant so you are just owning yourself again and again and again.

lol join date.

[Allanon]

Doesn't change the ecstasy of the argument. I said he hit him in the chest/throat region. Since it was not directly into the throat or head, no suspension. But he got a flagrant so you are just owning yourself again and again and again.

lol join date.

Chest does not equal throat, sorry but over-dramatizing doesn't change the fact that he was hit in the throat.

Stu Jackson explained it very clearly, it was in the chest.


It was right in the lower part of Ron's throat. It is clear.


Shhhhhh, girl

http://www.garlandisd.net/news/articles/images/R_CarverGirlShhh.jpg

[DPG21920]

lol edits while stealing jokes.

[Allanon]

lol edits while stealing jokes.

Found better pictures for it :lol

[DPG21920]

Chest does not equal throat, sorry but over-dramatizing doesn't change the fact that he was hit in the throat.

Stu Jackson explained it very clearly, it was in the chest.




Shhhhhh, girl

http://www.garlandisd.net/news/articles/images/R_CarverGirlShhh.jpg

You do notice the words LOWER PART OF THE

[DPG21920]

Found better pictures for it :lol

Nope. I have used both of those.

[ploto]

What I do not get is how the NBA has been calling these things lately- while play is in action, they will call a technical for what I think should be termed a foul or while the ball is dead, they will call a foul when to me, it is a technical. Guess I need to read up....

[Allanon]

You do notice the words LOWER PART OF THE

LOWER PART OF THE...........THROAT




Stu Jackson, Head of NBA Disciplinary actions talking.......

NBA executive vice president Stu Jackson just said on a conference call with reporters that the key element in not suspending Kobe Bryant for his elbow to Ron Artest was that it landed “in the chest area.”

“Certainly, it’s clear in our rules that we treat elbow contact above the shoulder area differently than we do other parts of the body,” Jackson said, although he didn’t specifically say Bryant would’ve been suspended if the contact had been higher.

[DPG21920]

Nope, that sounds like you failed your anatomy and physiology class. I said Kobe's elbow was aimed at Ron's high chest/low throat area.

Then Allanon says: "what, you might as well say high chest/balls area". Because clearly on the human body, the ball sack and throat are equidistant from the chest.

Kobe did throw an intentional bow, but once again it was Ron's chest/throat in the way of a normal basketball move by Kobe.


Give me a minute, I'll go get you the throat quote.


And the chest all flows into the nutz. I guess you could say Kobe elbowed him in the nutz too :lol


Owned.

Rinse.Repeat.

[Allanon]

It was right in the lower part of Ron's throat. It is clear.


Mesage from the NBA (not just Allanon)

Jackson also announced that the Lakers' Kobe Bryant has been assessed a flagrant foul one for elbowing Houston's Ron Artest in the chest area in the fourth quarter.

Shhhhhh, girl

http://api.ning.com/files/KSOsE5gQPpz-ezbE3WJNQgtRZaaU3svs6WjPiJirJdd403ZnyW-AHzIWzrQ3s7ner8OOHXjzeBgvDgmkMYaEnNypy5dmq4Uy/ShhhISEEDEADPEOPLE.jpg

Rinse and Repeat.

[DPG21920]

LOWER PART OF THE...........THROAT




Stu Jackson, Head of NBA Disciplinary actions talking.......


It was right in the lower part of Ron's throat. It is clear. There is only like 5 inches between the top of a logo and the bottom part of the throat.


The Rockets wear v-neck jerseys, if you hit a guy on the jersey, it's obviously not on the neck.



Look at where the R in Rockets is, that's nowhere near the fully exposed neck.

http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2008-w51/img.444568_t.jpg


The camera showed the elbow landing clearly above the logo. Maybe not the entire elbow, but a portion of the arm was in the throat region.


http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9108/picture2fhb.png

Game Over.


Hahah, maybe Kobe hit Artest with a shadow? You can clearly see his elbow is NOT touching the throat, only chest.

There's no contact with the throat in your picture. :lol

Look at Ron's face, he looks perfectly happy in your picture, a bit too happy for somebody hit in the throat? :lol


Upperchest, lower throat same region. That is like saying "I hit him in the jaw, not the face".

Clinging to semantics is what is funny. You cannot see Ron's throat in that picture can you? Where did it go?


Upper chest and throat are the same region? That's like saying I punched him in the face, not the throat. Two separate areas.

The chest can take a helluva lot more pounding than the throat.



Hahah, you can clearly see there's no contact (there's a shadow under Kobe's elbow, Kobe's elbow is clearly not touching Ron's throat at all).

This is a picture of Artest clearly fouling Kobe, not the other way around. Just look at how high off the ground both Kobe's feet are while Artest's feet are fully planted :lol

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9108/picture2fhb.png


Does the chest not flow into the throat? Like I said, part of his arm hit his upper chest, part his throat.

[Allanon]

Back-tracking later to allow more leverage doesn't change what you said. Kobe did NOT hit Artest in the throat, Stu Jackson said it himself.


It was right in the lower part of Ron's throat. It is clear.


Mesage from the NBA (not just Allanon)

Jackson also announced that the Lakers' Kobe Bryant has been assessed a flagrant foul one for elbowing Houston's Ron Artest in the chest area in the fourth quarter.

Shhhhhh, girl

http://api.ning.com/files/KSOsE5gQPpz-ezbE3WJNQgtRZaaU3svs6WjPiJirJdd403ZnyW-AHzIWzrQ3s7ner8OOHXjzeBgvDgmkMYaEnNypy5dmq4Uy/ShhhISEEDEADPEOPLE.jpg

Rinse and Repeat.

[DPG21920]

Still unoriginal :td
Still not funny :td

Still lied about join date to save face http://goodbadandugly2.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/shh.jpg

[Allanon]

Still unoriginal :td
Still not funny :td

Still lied about join date to save face http://goodbadandugly2.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/shh.jpg

I man up when I'm wrong...wished you'd do the same.

[DPG21920]

Did you or did you not say that saying someone elbowed someone in the lower throat/upper chest region was the same as saying someone elbowed someone in the lower throat/nutz region?

[Allanon]

Did you or did you not say that saying someone elbowed someone in the lower throat/upper chest region was the same as saying someone elbowed someone in the lower throat/nutz region?

Sigh.... I man up when I'm wrong, wished you were man enough to do the same. You're better than that.

[DPG21920]

Manning up is not getting embarrassed by having the logic of a 3 year old that drinks OE and lying about your join date because you are a front running, bandwagon homer.

Manning up is not lying. It is not manning up when you admit something after you have been called out.

You keep pointing to one quote, and ignoring the numerous others that take what I said in context. You suck at predictions, debating, objective thinking, telling the truth and being funny.

Other than that you are cool.

[Allanon]

Manning up is not getting embarrassed by having the logic of a 3 year old that drinks OE and lying about your join date because you are a front running, bandwagon homer.

Manning up is not lying. It is not manning up when you admit something after you have been called out.

You keep pointing to one quote, and ignoring the numerous others that take what I said in context. You suck at predictions, debating, objective thinking, telling the truth and being funny.

Other than that you are cool.

I tried. I'll leave it at that. You're always right.

[DPG21920]

Also, has the NBA ever made a mistake in the league office, namely Stu Jackson?

[DPG21920]

How am I wrong? I am not even saying you are wrong with the Kobe/Shane incident because it is something that cannot be proven.

What I am is saying that your logic and homerism in the Shane/Kobe and the Ron/Kobe is sickening and annoying. You both times placed the blame on the other parties, one in which Kobe was assessed a flagrant (for something he has been suspended for multiple times in throwing elbows) and one in which a guy clearly got kneed and elbowed.

Then you cling to one thing or one snippet, just like you did in the Artest/Kobe thing by posting one behind the view still shot and drawing arrows when you know damn well that was the worst possible picture to try and determine if he threw an elbow.

Then I say this was no worse than the Shane incident and you go off on some other crazy logic and just like the join date scenario, you deny saying the "throat = nutz" even after I post the quote.

[Banzai]

How am I wrong? I am not even saying you are wrong with the Kobe/Shane incident because it is something that cannot be proven.

What I am is saying that your logic and homerism in the Shane/Kobe and the Ron/Kobe is sickening and annoying. You both times placed the blame on the other parties, one in which Kobe was assessed a flagrant (for something he has been suspended for multiple times in throwing elbows) and one in which a guy clearly got kneed and elbowed.

Then you cling to one thing or one snippet, just like you did in the Artest/Kobe thing by posting one behind the view still shot and drawing arrows when you know damn well that was the worst possible picture to try and determine if he threw an elbow.

Then I say this was no worse than the Shane incident and you go off on some other crazy logic and just like the join date scenario, you deny saying the "throat = nutz" even after I post the quote.

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/48/obama_puppy.jpg (http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=3075)

[DPG21920]

What happened, I blacked out.

[Banzai]

What happened, I blacked out.

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/3/oh_fuck.jpg (http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=1153)

[DPG21920]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/3/oh_fuck.jpg (http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=1153)

Allanon: "The Cowboy clearly got in the Bulls way. The Bull was making a natural move that most Bulls make. If the Cowboy would not have run away in a violent fashion, the Bull would not have rammed the horn up his ass/throat.

DPG, your argument sounds a lot like your argument in the Bull/Matador thread.

http://members.tripod.com/~animom/bull.jpg

As you can see in the Bull vs. Matador, once again the Matador committed the first foul. Can you see the tip of the horn in this picture!!!!! Ah, the truth hurts doesn't it! Since you cannot see the tip of the horn, are we just supposed to take the Matador's word for it that the horn ripped his ball sac in half? Did the Matador flop? In fact, you can see the Matador kicking the Bull's leg in the bottom of the picture; it was a foul on the Matador. The sword in the back shows it was just a reaction from the Bull and a foul on the Matador"

[duncan228]

OK, now you've officially amazed me; seriously. I'm here almost every day and I totally missed that :lol

:)

[TheMACHINE]

DPG90210 still butt hurt about the accidental elbow and knee. lol

[Laker-fan-in-SanAnto]

http://www.davidshrigley.com/exhibitions/malmo/stop_it.jpg

[Obstructed_View]

It's funny that Lakerfan says that Kobe was "off balance" when he kicked Battier in the face, but he's only off balance because he's holding onto the ball. The only reason for Kobe to hold onto the ball in that situation is so he can kick Battier in the face and have an excuse. That's as intentionally dirty as anything Bruce Bowen has ever done in his career, and everybody fucking knows it.

[Showtime24 LAKERS]

I think that was a great play............to piss off Kobe for a fun game 5. :lol

[Jacko]

This shit isn't even worth talking about.

[crc21209]

Fuck Kobe....trip him again Jones. :lol

[Obstructed_View]

I think that was a great play............to piss off Kobe for a fun game 5. :lol

I'm not sure why a Lakers fan would say that. Pissed off Kobe either stops playing altogether or shoots the ball 45 times and scores 43 points. I'd love to see him do that once again in a must-win game.

[Jacko]

Pissed off Kobe is the worst thing you'd ever want to do.

[Artest93]

Pissed off Kobe is the worst thing you'd ever want to do.

He's already running on fumes, he's gonna excert so much energy that he'll have nothing left if they make the finals

[Obstructed_View]

Pissed off Kobe is the worst thing you'd ever want to do.

Puh-leeze. Last time Kobe was pissed, he refused to shoot in the second half of a game seven. He doesn't suddenly become a great facilitator or an encouraging teammate when he's angry. Maybe he becomes a huge ball-hog, at which point you have to pray he's also having a good shooting night.

[Artest93]

another 81 point performance, and still almost lost the game

[daslicer]

Puh-leeze. Last time Kobe was pissed, he refused to shoot in the second half of a game seven. He doesn't suddenly become a great facilitator or an encouraging teammate when he's angry. Maybe he becomes a huge ball-hog, at which point you have to pray he's also having a good shooting night.

A great player getting pissed off is overatted. That crap only happens in the heat of the moment but after the game its over with. What the fuck is a pissed off Kobe going to do that he hasn't done already. Besides whenever Kobe has gotten angry he hasn't played well. I remember back when Bruce was younger and would get underneath Kobe's skin that he would be mentally out of the game. MJ really is the only player I can ever recall fearing when he got angry but nobody else.

[Allanon]

At least Coach Pop knows better...

MySA.com: Don’t even look him in the eye.

Popovich watched the Lakers victory over the Houston Rockets on Wednesday night, including Kobe Bryant’s 18-point fourth quarter that followed a trash-talking contest with Rockets defensive ace Ron Artest.

His players, he said, knew better than to antagonize Bryant.

“We don’t want any Artest stuff,” he said before tipoff. Don’t even look him in the eye.

[Jacko]

:lmao

Pissing Kobe off in the game is about the worst thing you can do. I've watched this guy play in nearly every game since he's been a Laker, you guys simply don't know what you're talking about.

[DPG21920]

Did you see Kobe get pissed off when Billups inbounded the ball off his back and scored? Many said that "you cannot do that to Kobe, you can embarrass a rookie like that, but not Kobe, he is pissed and this game is over...". We saw how that turned out.

Did you see how furious Kobe was when Jones tripped him? He was embarrassed and owned and complaining. What happened then?

Did you see Kobe get furious in game 4 when the crowd was taunting him? You could clearly see him nodding his head and saying "alright mothaf*ckas, it is on now, alright b*tches". Even Mark Jackson mentioned it. That was in the 3rd quarter when they were down by 11, then the lead ballooned to almost 20 and they lost.

There are plenty of examples both ways and if he has a good game it won't be because he is "pissed".