Republicans move away from "racist" label [Archive]

jman3000

06-01-2009, 11:44 AM

Non elected officials will continue to say it. Elected officials will not. If Cornyn had gone out and said that he agreed with Limbaugh and Gingrich... he'd be out of office when he's up for re election. He's from San Antonio and went to Holmes, so I'd assume he has the backing of a large portion of this city's hispanics. you can't alienate a very large voting bloc and expect to continue getting re elected. Gingrich and Limbaugh don't have to worry about that crap because the majority of their fans are fat, white, old, males just like themselves.

PixelPusher

06-01-2009, 12:02 PM

So a couple of elected Republicans are hip to the idea that racism isn't just a rhetorical club anybody can use, but actually carries context and history.

Maybe they'll also figure out everyone else this country can spot the subtext when they shit on Sotomayor as the "unqualified, affirmative-action pick".

Nah, who am I kidding.

boutons_deux

06-01-2009, 03:20 PM

angrydude

06-01-2009, 03:23 PM

Repugs and conservatives, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, again, and again and again.

They flip-flop at calling the it the Democratic Socialist party, now that back off the Sotomayor-is-a-racist slime.

What a bunch of fucking mental midgets lost in the their own bankrupt, sterile, hate-soaked ideology.

wow, all that huh?

There is nothing bankrupt about the right's ideology. Its just that the people running the show are complete buffoons.

Yonivore

06-01-2009, 03:34 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/31/john.king.political.roundup/index.html

So board Republicans... was the GOP wrong? Or are they merely cowards and refuse now to speak the truth? :lol
I quickly scanned the article looking at the Republican quotes. They all still seem troubled by her remarks but, want to give her a chance to explain. And, as far as I know, none of the Republicans quoted ever said more than that?

How is this moving away from "racist" label.

Those who feel her statement in the speech, her ruling in Ricci, and her association with La Raza as well as Hispanic Legal Extortion, er Defense, organization (I don't think it was MALDEF) are racist, still believe that. Me included.

She's got to explain herself out of a very deep hole as far as I'm concerned.

LnGrrrR

06-01-2009, 03:42 PM

Yonivore

06-01-2009, 04:11 PM

boutons_deux

06-01-2009, 04:25 PM

"Who's it going to hurt them with"

voters. Outside of the racist South, Repug are pretty much dead in the water now.

FaithInOne

06-01-2009, 04:52 PM

The left uses racism to its benefit. If racism is not playing a role, it will play a role, they will make sure of it.

Viva Las Espuelas

06-01-2009, 04:52 PM

Outside of the racist South, Repug are pretty much dead in the water now.that's mighty white of you. :tu

LnGrrrR

06-01-2009, 05:36 PM

Why? Who's it going to hurt them with? Democrats?

Hispanics, I'm guessing? Do you think the majority of hispanic (in fact, the majority of Americans) keep up with news? Or will they just hear a bunch of white GOP senators calling Sotomayor racist?

Look at the optics of it for a moment and tell me what you think the average person will think. Will they agree with the GOP? Or will they think the GOP is racist?

Yonivore

06-01-2009, 08:35 PM

Hispanics, I'm guessing? Do you think the majority of hispanic (in fact, the majority of Americans) keep up with news? Or will they just hear a bunch of white GOP senators calling Sotomayor racist?

Look at the optics of it for a moment and tell me what you think the average person will think. Will they agree with the GOP? Or will they think the GOP is racist?
Did Democrats lose black votes or hispanic votes for opposing Clarence Thomas, Janice Rogers Brown, or Miguel Estrada on grounds that made them appear racist?

George Gervin's Afro

06-01-2009, 08:38 PM

Did Democrats lose black votes or hispanic votes for opposing Clarence Thomas, Janice Rogers Brown, or Miguel Estrada on grounds that made them appear racist?

Yoni's right. This is a winning issue for the GOP.

Yonivore

06-01-2009, 09:01 PM

Yoni's right. This is a winning issue for the GOP.
So, what you're saying is Obama could have nominated an hispanic female bigot and no one should oppose her because she's an hispanic female?

That's pretty much the case here.

hope4dopes

06-01-2009, 09:10 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090531/ap_on_go_su_co/us_sessions_sotomayor

Well, let's just say it probably doesn't look too good for the GOP to start slinging the term 'racist' around towards the first Hispanic selection to SCOTUS, even if it were true.

So even IF? she is racist it's O.k. as far as the the obamanations are concerned. Well I'm not a republican and it's not O.K. for me it not O.K. with me that obama is a racist I think the left is digging themselves into a big hole with this one.
This is the democratic parties attempt to legitamize racisim.... when do you guys get your very own brown shirts.

Yonivore

06-01-2009, 09:24 PM

www.barackobama.com (http://www.barackobama.com/2005/06/08/remarks_of_us_senator_barack_o_1.php)

"I hope we have arrived at a point in our country's history where Black folks can be criticized for holding views that are out of the mainstream"
Apparently, Mr. President, only if you're a Democrat.

I know he said Black folks but, I'm sure he meant any minority. No?

hope4dopes

06-01-2009, 09:37 PM

You know it must be a truly ugly and hate full mind white liberals must have toward "people of color" to produce so much white guilt in them.

Yonivore

06-01-2009, 09:40 PM

You know it must be a truly ugly and hate full mind white liberals must have toward "people of color" to produce so much white guilt in them.
Well, they have the legacy of Robert "Sheets" Byrd to overcome; now, don't they?

Viva Las Espuelas

06-01-2009, 10:28 PM

Well, they have the legacy of Robert "Sheets" Byrd to overcome; now, don't they?
hell. just look at the beginnings of the KKK. people tend to forget that.

George Gervin's Afro

06-01-2009, 10:46 PM

She's going to be confirmed.

:lmao

Yonivore

06-01-2009, 10:47 PM

She's going to be confirmed.

:lmao
I've never said she wouldn't be. That doesn't change the argument.

ChumpDumper

06-02-2009, 02:43 AM

What argument?

All I see is whining.

LnGrrrR

06-02-2009, 07:23 AM

Did Democrats lose black votes or hispanic votes for opposing Clarence Thomas, Janice Rogers Brown, or Miguel Estrada on grounds that made them appear racist?

No, but it's different because they were Republicans, and it's generally true that the Democrats have been successful in putting out the public opinion that Republicans are racist.

Even if it IS racist to support policies like affirmative action, you have to look at the context Yoni. Most people are willing to accept a handout, if it's aimed at them.

Who do you think they're going to be more likely to believe are racist... the ones supporting a platform that will help out minorities, or the ones railing against illegal immigrants?

I'm not talking about the TRUTH of who's racist and who's not; I'm just talking about each party looks politically to minorities.

If you look at the early 2000s, Republicans had much more minority support than they do now. That all changed when illegal immigration became a push button issue for the GOP. Look at the polls. http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=81

In 2000, the Gore/Bush vote preference was nearly even. Jump to today, and the Democrats have a 30% gain on the Republicans in party ID.

LnGrrrR

06-02-2009, 07:33 AM

So even IF? she is racist it's O.k. as far as the the obamanations are concerned. Well I'm not a republican and it's not O.K. for me it not O.K. with me that obama is a racist I think the left is digging themselves into a big hole with this one.
This is the democratic parties attempt to legitamize racisim.... when do you guys get your very own brown shirts.

First, it would help if you could type some sort of recognizable English.

Second, you missed my point entirely.

boutons_deux

06-02-2009, 10:17 AM

"it's generally true that the Democrats have been successful in putting out the public opinion that Republicans are racist."

The Nixon Southern Strategy of courting Dem racists to switch to Repug racists is well known by all policital analysts and historians, and continues to this day, such that the Repugs electoral base is pretty much confined to the racist South.

It's not a Dem opinion or slime, The Repug Southern (Racist) Strategy is a fact and has been very successful.

Yonivore

06-02-2009, 06:55 PM

No, but it's different because they were Republicans, and it's generally true that the Democrats have been successful in putting out the public opinion that Republicans are racist.

Even if it IS racist to support policies like affirmative action, you have to look at the context Yoni. Most people are willing to accept a handout, if it's aimed at them.

Who do you think they're going to be more likely to believe are racist... the ones supporting a platform that will help out minorities, or the ones railing against illegal immigrants?

I'm not talking about the TRUTH of who's racist and who's not; I'm just talking about each party looks politically to minorities.

If you look at the early 2000s, Republicans had much more minority support than they do now. That all changed when illegal immigration became a push button issue for the GOP. Look at the polls. http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=81

In 2000, the Gore/Bush vote preference was nearly even. Jump to today, and the Democrats have a 30% gain on the Republicans in party ID.
So, pretty much all of this to say there are no principled Democrats?

LnGrrrR

06-03-2009, 09:22 AM

So, pretty much all of this to say there are no principled Democrats?

Sure there are. I think Feingold is a Democrat who has principles. There're a few others. Not many though. Not many on the Republican side either. If I had to pick one there, it'd be Ron Paul.

Both have their beliefs and tend to stick with them, even when those choices are overwhelmingly unpopular.

Cry Havoc

06-03-2009, 10:06 AM

So, pretty much all of this to say there are no principled Democrats?

Are you seriously now just coming to the conclusion that most politicians are scumbags?

The dawn breaks.

Gino

06-03-2009, 11:06 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/31/john.king.political.roundup/index.html

So board Republicans... was the GOP wrong? Or are they merely cowards and refuse now to speak the truth? :lol

I think it was a stupid racist statement that she made but that doesnt necessarily make her a racist.

Thats the mentality the left uses to paint everyone racists.

George Gervin's Afro

06-03-2009, 11:27 AM

I think it was a stupid racist statement that she made but that doesnt necessarily make her a racist.

Thats the mentality the left uses to paint everyone racists.

Don't forget to include right wing talk radio using the same statememnt as proof of her racism..

DarrinS

06-03-2009, 11:33 AM

Don't forget to include right wing talk radio using the same statememnt as proof of her racism..

The one thing I have learned from the left over the past 8 years is that it's the allegation that's important, not the proof.

George Gervin's Afro

06-03-2009, 11:45 AM

The one thing I have learned from the left over the past 8 years is that it's the allegation that's important, not the proof.

:lmao

Bill Clinton
Obama is a muslim
Clintons killed 100 people..etc...

DarrinS

06-03-2009, 11:47 AM

:lmao

Bill Clinton
Obama is a muslim
Clintons killed 100 people..etc...

So, nothing turned out to be true about Bill Clinton?

ChumpDumper

06-03-2009, 11:56 AM

So, nothing turned out to be true about Bill Clinton?How many Americans did he politically assassinate again?

jman3000

06-03-2009, 12:51 PM

Even Limbaugh today was kinda sorta backing off his comments.

He started talking about all of these positive things about her fair view of pro life arguments. Even going as far as to say that she could be a secret weapon for their side.

ChumpDumper

06-03-2009, 12:57 PM

That's hilarious.

George Gervin's Afro

06-03-2009, 01:09 PM

jman3000

06-03-2009, 01:21 PM

He didn't retract his "racist" statement... rather, he just kinda deflected what the subject was. He did it in a way to where he changed the subject to put a semi positive light on her and saying that she could be of use... while at the same time not retracting at all.

LnGrrrR

06-03-2009, 01:39 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/03/borger.newt.gingrich/index.html

More flip flopping from the GOP! :lol

Also Yoni, note the actual case numbers for Sotomayor at the bottom of the article.

Gino

06-03-2009, 02:38 PM

Crookshanks

06-03-2009, 02:48 PM

LnGrrrR

06-03-2009, 03:11 PM

So the republicans shouldnt have changed their stance?

I think the intelligent ones will. I think Gingrich is intelligent, which is why he did. I'm surprised he said it in the first place, actually.

LnGrrrR

06-03-2009, 03:14 PM

Let's just cut to the chase here. Put that comment in the mouth of Samuel Alito or ANY other white male nominee and see how it would've played out. Stop the hypocrisy and admit there would've been total outrage had a white male said he would make better decisions than a latino or latina.

Sotomayor is a racist - but she just might be a pro-life racist. So she could be useful!

Yes, one comment makes her a racist, right? :P Let's not look at her whole record as a judge, the fact that she's mostly overturned plaintiffs who cried discrimination, or anything like that.

Alito did say something similar...

"When I get a case about discrimination, I have to think about people in my own family who suffered discrimination because of their ethnic background or because of religion or because of gender. And I do take that into account. When I have a case involving someone who's been subjected to discrimination because of disability, I have to think of people who I've known and admire very greatly who've had disabilities, and I've watched them struggle to overcome the barriers that society puts up often just because it doesn't think of what it's doing -- the barriers that it puts up to them."

Now, true, he didn't say anything about making a better decision because of his background. But it obviously reflect on his decision making.

It was a stupid comment by Sotomayor true. But aren't you guys the ones who complain when liberals take misstatements by Bush to imply he's stupid? Why is it ok to do the same when the person isn't on your side?

FaithInOne

06-03-2009, 05:28 PM

Politics is all double standards and hypocrisy.

Calling it out should be encouraged.

The left (included Media) get to set the rules to the game and the right is expected to follow along? No sir. Often times, they do. However they should not.

The point should be hammered to the people until they trust neither side in this smoke and mirrors game and understand the agenda behind words/actions. That is accomplishment.

Wild Cobra

06-03-2009, 06:38 PM

It was a stupid comment by Sotomayor true. But aren't you guys the ones who complain when liberals take misstatements by Bush to imply he's stupid? Why is it ok to do the same when the person isn't on your side?
Anyone who had to mention race as many times as she does, should not be considered as a judge, especially the highest court. She has race on her mind!

Don't we want to make sure we have someone who will apply the law equally to all parties, and be sure they are not thinking in terms of racial preference?

What if a white judge, in speaking, kept talking about "My white heritage" or similar things. I'm sorry. aren't we all Americans? It's one thing, as an individual, to be proud of our ancestry. However, this should never be applied to professional speaking, especially when one is expected to treat all people as equals.

Are you comfortable with someone who treats cases as affirmative action venues?

Yonivore

06-03-2009, 10:54 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/03/borger.newt.gingrich/index.html

More flip flopping from the GOP! :lol

Also Yoni, note the actual case numbers for Sotomayor at the bottom of the article.
I'm not changing my position. Her association with La Raza and that Hispanic Extortion group (legal defense whatever), as well as her action on Ricci, and the statement in her speech all speak to a bias that has affected view of the judiciary.

jman3000

06-03-2009, 11:06 PM

There's a grand canyon of difference in saying something like "It was tough getting to where I am as a white male" vs. "It was tough getting to where I am as a hispanic female". One statement invokes a roll of the eyes (unless he's talking about being a rapper, or a hotel cleaner), the other invokes, at the very least, an affirmation that it could have actually been tough. Do people REALLY think that the majority of minorities / women have the same path to success as white males? You'd have to be blind, stupid, or completely ignorant to try to pass that bullshit.

I don't think that any decisions should be made with race in mind. In fact, I'm against almost all forms of affirmative action. If you're better at something than somebody else, then you deserve to be the one doing whatever it is you're better at. But her comments, when looked at in their full context, didn't bother me at all.

Wild Cobra

06-03-2009, 11:31 PM

I'm not changing my position. Her association with La Raza and that Hispanic Extortion group (legal defense whatever), as well as her action on Ricci, and the statement in her speech all speak to a bias that has affected view of the judiciary.
Agreed.

Wild Cobra

06-03-2009, 11:33 PM

But her comments, when looked at in their full context, didn't bother me at all.
refer to Yoni's last post.

ChumpDumper

06-04-2009, 02:29 AM

I'm not changing my position.Alert the media!

LnGrrrR

06-04-2009, 07:36 AM

Anyone who had to mention race as many times as she does, should not be considered as a judge, especially the highest court. She has race on her mind!

Don't we want to make sure we have someone who will apply the law equally to all parties, and be sure they are not thinking in terms of racial preference?

What if a white judge, in speaking, kept talking about "My white heritage" or similar things. I'm sorry. aren't we all Americans? It's one thing, as an individual, to be proud of our ancestry. However, this should never be applied to professional speaking, especially when one is expected to treat all people as equals.

Are you comfortable with someone who treats cases as affirmative action venues?

Tell me, how many times has she mentioned race? Could you show me the multiple documented instances in which she has said her race would make her a better candidate, or where she particularly favored one race over another?

Alito said the SAME thing. What do you think he's talking about when he talks about his parent's heritage as immigrants? He's talking about their RACIAL HERITAGE.

As far as applying the law, WC, you've seen the facts posted multiple times that in the great majority of her race-based cases, she sided against the plaintiff, against the 'discrimination' claim. Do I need to post them yet AGAIN for you?

DarrinS

06-04-2009, 07:59 AM

Admittedly, if you're a minority, you can get a way with some pretty racy comments. But if you're white ...

oc1zGRUPztc

h-akk3gog34

JoeChalupa

06-04-2009, 08:11 AM

I see even Rush Limpballs now says he can see supporting Sonia's nomination.

JoeChalupa

06-04-2009, 08:12 AM

even limbaugh today was kinda sorta backing off his comments.

He started talking about all of these positive things about her fair view of pro life arguments. Even going as far as to say that she could be a secret weapon for their side.

+1

LnGrrrR

06-04-2009, 08:33 AM

Admittedly, if you're a minority, you can get a way with some pretty racy comments. But if you're white ...

oc1zGRUPztc

h-akk3gog34

Yes, there is certainly a double-standard. Is it fair? Nope. C'est la vie.

JoeChalupa

06-04-2009, 08:40 AM

What goes around comes around.

Yonivore

06-04-2009, 08:44 AM

What goes around comes around.
Except that time is a linear thing and the people you are hoping to "come around" on are dead and buried and, instead, you're "coming around" on people who -- until experiencing it from minority racists -- never had a prejudice bone in their body.

How 'bout, "Two wrongs don't make a right," Joe?

Yonivore

06-04-2009, 08:45 AM

Now we learn Sotomayor said the same thing in a 1994 speech. It was not a misspeak as the White House is claiming.

JoeChalupa

06-04-2009, 08:46 AM

JoeChalupa

06-04-2009, 08:47 AM

Now we learn Sotomayor said the same thing in a 1994 speech. It was not a misspeak as the White House is claiming.

She will be confirmed. Get over it.

Def Rowe

06-04-2009, 09:02 AM

Admittedly, if you're a minority, you can get a way with some pretty racy comments. But if you're white ...

Tell me about it. We should all be concerned with black racist people.

Yonivore

06-04-2009, 09:07 AM

I concur. Just making a statement and prejudice and racism will ALWAYS exist.
Doesn't mean they need be tolerated or excused with trite phrases such as, "What comes around, goes around."

Yonivore

06-04-2009, 09:08 AM

She will be confirmed. Get over it.
She's not confirmed, yet. Get over it.

JoeChalupa

06-04-2009, 09:19 AM

She's not confirmed, yet. Get over it.

She will be and you know it.

JoeChalupa

06-04-2009, 09:21 AM

Doesn't mean they need be tolerated or excused with trite phrases such as, "What comes around, goes around."

Didn't say it should be. I've been hearing racist remarks all my life and I don't like it any more than you do. But I'd bet that I've had more racist remarks towards me than you have towards you.

Yonivore

06-04-2009, 09:36 AM

Didn't say it should be. I've been hearing racist remarks all my life and I don't like it any more than you do. But I'd bet that I've had more racist remarks towards me than you have towards you.
I didn't keep count in the largely hispanic South Texas town where I grew up. There's a difference between racist remarks (many of which were just a common part of the language when you and I grew up) and actual racism.

Yonivore

06-04-2009, 09:37 AM

She will be and you know it.
Actually, I'm less convinced now than I was last week but, yeah, I've already stated I expect her to be confirmed.

jman3000

06-04-2009, 09:54 AM

Except that time is a linear thing and the people you are hoping to "come around" on are dead and buried and, instead, you're "coming around" on people who -- until experiencing it from minority racists -- never had a prejudice bone in their body.

How 'bout, "Two wrongs don't make a right," Joe?

WTF? You realize that the civil rights era was 45 years ago? The majority of bigots who were under 30 then are still alive now. You're so full of shit and your tendency to generalize on this is complete shit. Thinking that all the animosity that built up from that era suddenly vanished is complete stupidity and only shows that you're trying to make up excuses to yourself in order to justify any racist feelings you may feel and make yourself feel better.

lol @ blaming white bigotry as retribution for being the victim of racism by minorities. I thought the conservative mantra was that y'all don't play the victim? Only whiny bitch ass liberals whine like that.

Nobody should ever discriminate based on ethnic origin. Blacks who call whites "crackers" are stupid shits and whites who call blacks derogatory names are dumb shits as well. Shit, I've almost seen as much racism on blacks from hispanics than I have from whites... so those hispanics are dumb fucks as well.

Viva Las Espuelas

06-04-2009, 10:38 AM

Admittedly, if you're a minority, you can get a way with some pretty racy comments. But if you're white ...

oc1zGRUPztc

h-akk3gog34
i was driving through dealy plaza a couple of weeks ago and this jackass pulls up along side of me in his 68 camaro. car was cool. him, not so much.

Spurminator

06-04-2009, 11:00 AM

Admittedly, if you're a minority, you can get a way with some pretty racy comments. But if you're white ...

oc1zGRUPztc

h-akk3gog34

Nobody got away with anything here. Price and the guy who demanded the apology were both roundly criticized by pretty much everyone when this occurred.

ChumpDumper

06-04-2009, 12:14 PM

There's a difference between racist remarks and actual racism.Nice self-pwnage, Yoni.

austinwn7

06-04-2009, 01:58 PM

i just disagree that my leader is "Rush Limbaugh", the person who dictates fear into the republican's victorian-like ideology.

I agree with Romney on Campbell Brown the other day, ever since he lost the primaries he's seemed not so crazy. We need to embrace everyone. Including all moderate and left republicans. We do need to get rid of the exclusive image because instead the republicans are coming off as the "conservatives and only conservatives" image per say.

FaithInOne

06-04-2009, 02:16 PM

Obama injected racism into the campaign.

It's a great tool. Now bend over and take it.

Viva Las Espuelas

06-04-2009, 02:26 PM

Obama injected racism into the campaign.

It's a great tool. Now bend over and take it.

Democrat 101

LnGrrrR

06-04-2009, 03:09 PM

Democrat 101

I think the McCain of 2000 would be willing to tell you that BOTH sides are willing to inject race into the campaigns.

ChumpDumper

06-04-2009, 04:23 PM

I agree with Romney on Campbell Brown the other day, ever since he lost the primaries he's seemed not so crazy.He still wears sacred underpants though.

EVAY

06-04-2009, 08:09 PM

"who's it going to hurt them with"

voters. Outside of the racist south, repug are pretty much dead in the water now.

+1

Marcus Bryant

06-04-2009, 08:43 PM

Bush, the "conservative" is elected and nominates "conservatives" to the SC. Obama, the "liberal" is elected and has nominated a "liberal" to the SC. What exactly is the controversy here? We have these stupid circle jerks all the fucking time with SC nominations. Meanwhile, this country's government is headed off the fiscal cliff and everyone is worried about some proud latina or whatever. God, I just don't give a fuck. You stupid fucks are why this country is in the shape it is in. Fuck you.