9/11 Pentagon lies and deceit

[The_Worlds_finest]

There is no "debunking" possible.

The plane at the pentagon did not fly in the path stated by the government.

The driver of the taxi that which the light pole fell over on admitted that the scene was planned out

http://pentagoncab.multiservers.com/a10-dsc_0421-1.jpg

"he was just a part of it"


The location of the light poles is south of a citgo while eyewitness all claim the plane flew north of the gas station.

There is no arguing these stone cold facts.. the writing is on the wall.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/northsouthnew.jpg





Dont believe me that LLoyde England spilt the beans about the the scene being staged watch for yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GHM5f9lVho&feature=PlayList&p=6D80E8C652988E8B&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=21

see the entire video at pentacon.com

[boutons_deux]

I was consulting for Missile Defense Agency at the Navy Annex at the end of September.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=wash+dc&sll=38.869702,-77.061303&sspn=0.011661,0.036049&ie=UTF8&radius=0.97&rq=1&t=h&ll=38.869702,-77.061303&spn=0.011661,0.036049&z=16

I was told that the Navy Annex had antenna knocked over by the plane. So I guess that was part of the lying.

[The_Worlds_finest]

The light poles are south east of the annex and are southwest in direction....please tell me how they were knocked over AND an antenna......oh wait if you watched the video of the CAB DRIVER IN THE VIDEO AT THE LIGHT POLE LOCATION SAYING " IT WAS PLANNED" you would know....


http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x180/T-Guide/pentagonaerialview.jpg

http://stj911.com/evidence/docs/pentagon_navy_command.gif

[Yonivore]

So, what, exactly, are you alleging?

[The_Worlds_finest]

There is no alleging about it. The eyewitnesses said they saw the plane north of the citgo station. The guy in the photo with the taxi says the scene was planned out. Its all on the table, you need to draw your own conclusions.

[Wild Cobra]

There is no alleging about it. The eyewitnesses said they saw the plane north of the citgo station. The guy in the photo with the taxi says the scene was planned out. Its all on the table, you need to draw your own conclusions.
If he's saying he was paid to have a story then, why not believe he's being paid to lie now?

That path doesn't wash anyway. Remember where the nose of the jet was found?

As for the lamp posts. The wings are pretty long, and a slight yaw deviation could explain them.

Not evidence enough. I say BS....

Besides. Why lie about it? You twoofers cannot deny the types of planes that hit, now you're still trying to say they lied somehow?

What purpose?

[IceColdBrewski]

So now this vast conspiracy also includes a senile old cab driver as well?

Sorry, but it doesn't even pass the smell test. The kooks are really scrapin' the bottom of the barrel at this point. The old man didn't even admit to anything. The kooks just listened to his off-camera ramblings and heard what they wanted to hear.

[mookie2001]

If he's saying he was paid to have a story then, why not believe he's being paid to lie now?hyeah dogg

[The_Worlds_finest]

look watch the video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5296595694237574426


LEGIT Pentagon Cops and a store employee BOTH say and SAW the plane fly north of the citgo.

The official story and the orintation of the knocked over light poles and MOST IMPORTANTLY direction of the impact shows a northeast direction.

and also if you watched the video I posted you would know that Lloyde England didnt know he was being recorded when he confessed.

http://www.aviationexplorer.com/flight_77_flight_angle.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3040/2850168840_5ca01df238.jpg?v=1221215648
Even the memorial is in the claimed direction

So whos lieing now eye witnesses or the media and government.....

[Yonivore]

There is no alleging about it. The eyewitnesses said they saw the plane north of the citgo station. The guy in the photo with the taxi says the scene was planned out. Its all on the table, you need to draw your own conclusions.
Planned out? How? What was planned out?

[Yonivore]

look watch the video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5296595694237574426


LEGIT Pentagon Cops and a store employee BOTH say and SAW the plane fly north of the citgo.

The official story and the orintation of the knocked over light poles and MOST IMPORTANTLY direction of the impact shows a northeast direction.

and also if you watched the video I posted you would know that Lloyde England didnt know he was being recorded when he confessed.

http://www.aviationexplorer.com/flight_77_flight_angle.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3040/2850168840_5ca01df238.jpg?v=1221215648
Even the memorial is in the claimed direction

So whos lieing now eye witnesses or the media and government.....
I guess I still don't get it. Why lie about the path of the airplane that -- even you now admit -- everyone saw?

It hit the fucking building. What are you alleging is being covered up with this "plan" involving the geezer cabbie?

[The_Worlds_finest]

I wish i could tell you why the government and media are lying about the path of the plane however I cant. But what can be shown and explained is that A staged scene took place that couldnt have been possible from eyewitness acounts saying the plane was north of the citgo.

[Yonivore]

I wish i could tell you why the government and media are lying about the path of the plane however I cant. But what can be shown and explained is that A staged scene took place that couldnt have been possible from eyewitness acounts saying the plane was north of the citgo.
Well -- and we're merely stipulating you're right -- without the why, it's either a mistake or a meaningless "plot."

[The_Worlds_finest]

There is some meaning behind it but we will never know, but what we can gather is that the true plane did infact come in from the north and what ever hit the pentagon came in from the south.

Look at that taxi, there is no damage besides the windshield.
The plane was suppose to be going 500 mph and the force from hitting the pole and then onto the car only enough to bust the windshield?

Why did they take the pole off the car? Certainly wasnt to leave or else he wouldnt have stood around for the photo op.

[Yonivore]

there is some meaning behind it but we will never know, but what we can gather is that the true plane did infact come in from the north and what ever hit the pentagon came in from the south.

Look at that taxi, there is no damage besides the windshield.
The plane was suppose to be going 500 mph and the force from hitting the pole and then onto the car only enough to bust the windshield?

Why did they take the pole off the car? Certainly wasnt to leave or else he wouldnt have stood around for the photo op.
a plane full of people, flown by terrorists, hit the fucking pentagon. What are you arguing?

[Mr Roper]

ChumpDumper looks to switch screen names to be safe! :lmao

[johnsmith]

Dear troll that started this thread,

KILL YOURSELF.

[Big Douche]

a plane full of people, flown by terrorists, hit the fucking pentagon. What are you arguing?


You know Yonivore I used to look up to you, I sometimes envy you. I would tell my friends at work how your the king of cut and paste and how your up to date with all that is political. Then after uncle tom got elected you seem to go from ...................

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/03/23/superman23306_narrowweb__300x423,0.jpg


to.............


http://www.lebowskifest.com/NewsImages/69382tron_guy-thumb.jpg

and now you still show your true ignorance by defending your Daddy Bush even though you know no jet hit the Pentagon is depressing to read.

your a bigger douche than me!

[jack sommerset]

No jet hit the pentagon.........hahahaha

[The_Worlds_finest]

oh here we go cursing eh? way to get your point across.

You dufus watch the video. Im not making anything up Im just going off the provided facts....people saw plane flying in a total different path than the light poles government and media are saying.....hmmm

[Wild Cobra]

Anyone remember when the truthers were trying to tell us that the maintenance work truck path in the ground was a line of attack laid out for the plane to follow?
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/9-11/Pentagonpath.jpg

[Wild Cobra]

Here's something else. How do the twoofers believe the altered path caused this damage?

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/9-11/punchout-path.jpg

Now consider the beam damage:

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/9-11/wedge1damage.gif

How does that path cause the damage depicted?

Ferris...

[The_Worlds_finest]

Your missing the point. Obviously something hit the pentagon coming from the SOUTH east.....so explain the 2 pentagon cops and the citgo employee stating that they are 100% sure the plane was in a north east direction....does something not add up???

[ManuTP9]

NWO Movement

[Wild Cobra]

Your missing the point. Obviously something hit the pentagon coming from the SOUTH east.....so explain the 2 pentagon cops and the citgo employee stating that they are 100% sure the plane was in a north east direction....does something not add up???

For me, the physical evidence is more conclusive than peoples word...

[The_Worlds_finest]

oh you mean the tail wings engines seats toilets miles of wiring and all other parts of an aircraft that were not found at the site.

ofcourse we do have this "conclusive" evidence....
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Flight_77_wreckage_at_Pentagon.jpg/800px-Flight_77_wreckage_at_Pentagon.jpg

[IceColdBrewski]

oh you mean the tail wings engines seats toilets miles of wiring and all other parts of an aircraft that were not found at the site.

ofcourse we do have this "conclusive" evidence....
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Flight_77_wreckage_at_Pentagon.jpg/800px-Flight_77_wreckage_at_Pentagon.jpg



Plenty of sites out there that show plane wreckage at the pentagon. All you have to do is look for them.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

[Yonivore]

You know Yonivore I used to look up to you, I sometimes envy you. I would tell my friends at work how your the king of cut and paste and how your up to date with all that is political. Then after uncle tom got elected you seem to go from ...................

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/03/23/superman23306_narrowweb__300x423,0.jpg


to.............


http://www.lebowskifest.com/NewsImages/69382tron_guy-thumb.jpg

and now you still show your true ignorance by defending your Daddy Bush even though you know no jet hit the Pentagon is depressing to read.

your a bigger douche than me!

:lmao Priceless.

[Wild Cobra]

http://www.lebowskifest.com/NewsImages/69382tron_guy-thumb.jpg

Is that you?

A Tron (http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi3405709593/) wanna-be?

[Winehole23]

With a camel toe.

[Nbadan]

Wow...

[PixelPusher]

http://www.lebowskifest.com/NewsImages/69382tron_guy-thumb.jpg

Is that you?

A Tron (http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi3405709593/) wanna-be?


With a camel toe.


Wow...

Show some respect. Tron guy is worth millions of theoretical internet dollars!

[Wild Cobra]

Show some respect. Tron guy is worth millions of theoretical internet dollars!
Sorry, he's nothing like the original Tron:

Cast of Tron (http://r-moeller.de/tron/darsteller.html)

Original Tron (Bruce):

http://chatcheri.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/tron-movie-still-crop.jpg

[The_Worlds_finest]

so all of a sudden you shift the entire topic of the tread to something else simply because you cant denie the FACT that the direction of the damage doesnt add up to the direction of the actual aircraft spotted that day........its all in plain sight...denial is your only excuse

[Wild Cobra]

so all of a sudden you shift the entire topic of the tread to something else simply because you cant denie the FACT that the direction of the damage doesnt add up to the direction of the actual aircraft spotted that day........its all in plain sight...denial is your only excuse
On the contrary, I just don't care about what you 911 dickwads. You keep bringing up shit, and I just cannot do anything but laugh. Maybe if everything in the past about these 9/11 conspiracies weren't so easily proven a joke, someone might listen. This thread is meaningless.

I don't see Lloyde's words like you do. We don't know what he was thinking when he was convinced things happened differently than he said.

He was easily pushed around. Do you really think someone planning a conspiracy would choose him?

Besides, notice how when the guy says "That's your cab" and Lloyde says it's not... IT ISNT! Where is the "Capital Cab" light on the top? I noticed that at pt. 2 7:40. Same pic at 8:06 in... Where's the broken windshield and CAB light?

The guy is messing with him and confusing him!

[Nbadan]

Let's say it was a missile, what happened to the plane?

[jacobdrj]

There was not plane. There is no spoon.
The truth is, it was an antimatter bomb that a young ambitious White House intern that was actually a corrupt power hungry fundamentalist who was trying to ascend to the Oval Office to restore the US to the good ol' days by means of tricking the American people that the ancient threat of Terrorism was upon us! All he needed was a reason for Congress to elect him President, by him saving the Pentagon from the 'Airplane' [antimatter bomb] that 'crashed' into the pentagon to be stopped by him, thereby making him a national hero, and heir to the presidency.

However, he underestimated the work of a Political Professor from Russia who specializes in Washington DC's symbolism, who was hired by 'Top Men' at the CIA and FBI to figure out the code of which terrorists were attacking, which was blamed on Al Qida (sp).

The young ambitious politician miscalculated the resourcefulness of this Russian Professor, and ended up getting his suit caught in the antimatter bomb's corona, which came from the east, but to cover up the White House's embarrassment for hiring such a corrupt person, they decided to confuse us telling the people that the 'plane' came from the south...

[Galileo]

Let's say it was a missile, what happened to the plane?

The plane flew over the Pentagon, according to witnesses. It was not a missile, a bomb was planted in the Naval Intelligence Center. It went off 5 minutes before the plane came in, at which time, a second bomb went off.

[Galileo]

There is no "debunking" possible.

The plane at the pentagon did not fly in the path stated by the government.

The driver of the taxi that which the light pole fell over on admitted that the scene was planned out

http://pentagoncab.multiservers.com/a10-dsc_0421-1.jpg

"he was just a part of it"


The location of the light poles is south of a citgo while eyewitness all claim the plane flew north of the gas station.

There is no arguing these stone cold facts.. the writing is on the wall.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/northsouthnew.jpg





Dont believe me that LLoyde England spilt the beans about the the scene being staged watch for yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GHM5f9lVho&feature=PlayList&p=6D80E8C652988E8B&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=21

see the entire video at pentacon.com

good post.

The Pentacon is a great movie. It proves the true incoming flight path of the aircraft that flew in towards the Pentagon on 9/11.

[ChumpDumper]

The plane flew over the Pentagon, according to witnesses. It was not a missile, a bomb was planted in the Naval Intelligence Center. It went off 5 minutes before the plane came in, at which time, a second bomb went off.:lmao

Ok, where are all the pictures of and witness statements about the bomb blast at the Naval Intelligence Center?

[Galileo]

:lmao

Ok, where are all the pictures of and witness statements about the bomb blast at the Naval Intelligence Center?

They're dead. Very funny.

[ChumpDumper]

The pictures are dead?

[Galileo]

The pictures are dead?

42 employees of Naval Intellingence were killed on 9/11.

[ChumpDumper]

In the Pentagon, if your unsourced numbers are correct.

[The_Worlds_finest]

Besides, notice how when the guy says "That's your cab" and Lloyde says it's not... IT ISNT! Where is the "Capital Cab" light on the top? I noticed that at pt. 2 7:40. Same pic at 8:06 in... Where's the broken windshield and CAB light?

The guy is messing with him and confusing him!

I didnt notice the cab missing the light please point it out.
Also the reason he is dying it is because he was on camera.

As for you guys that are asking where the plane is...not in the pentagon, the debris in the photos proves only one thing by logical deduction if that much material remained from what ever hit the pentagon there should be TONS more if indeed a gigantic 757 hit.

You find one photo of debris that and I STRESS of a passenger jet in the pentagon, I will let you kick me in the balls for a minute straight.

This is not a limited list but certainly will guide you in your search; All I ask is just one photo

one seat (of 200- 289) or a seat cover or seat belt or table tray or arm rest

one food beverage cart

one flight magazine

one toilet or bathroom mirror toilet seat

one window of roughly 100

one flotation device

one inflight tv

a piece of the passenger area floor

one of the doors

the tail

the wings

none of this turned up but Im suppose to be sold on that other random shit that is suppose to pass as a passenger airliner....give me a break...im almost to give the ol cliche


"I was born at night....."

[ChumpDumper]

:lol You aren't satisfied with pictures of the heaviest parts of the plane inside the Pentagon?

You know, the ones that would survive a fiery crash a little better than a window or magazine?

[The_Worlds_finest]

http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/911/images/jarrah.jpg
If this can be found in nyc "proving arabs were on flight" there should be NO problem proving a passenger jet at pentagon


balls not in my court.....find one photo

[ChumpDumper]

Seriously, you expect to find a pristine copy of SkyMall to be found in the middle of this?

http://www.rense.com/general32/pillarwreckage.jpg

[The_Worlds_finest]

I figure if that can survive something that resembles a PASSENGER JET would. Easy enough if you ask me...

[ChumpDumper]

http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/911/images/jarrah.jpg
If this can be found in nyc "proving arabs were on flight" there should be NO problem proving a passenger jet at pentagon


balls not in my court.....find one photoThat was not inside the building the plane crashed in.

Since you changed the rules for your own purposes, I'll go ahead and show some debris found on the lawn.

http://www.debunk911myths.org/t/images/4/47/Pentagon_serialnum.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

Seriously mouse, what are you saying hit the Pentagon?

[Wild Cobra]

I didn't notice the cab missing the light please point it out.

First off, I didn't notice the discrepancy until part two where he says it isn't his car. Actually the light it could be covered, but some of it still should be visible. I fond it convenient that a vehicle and two bodies block a proper view to see that it is Lloyde's car. Cannot see any markings other than it's the same type of car. Could have even been photo-shopped in!

From part 1 of the video:

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/9-11/notLloydescar01.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/9-11/notLloydescar02.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/9-11/notLloydescar03.jpg

[The_Worlds_finest]

ok so as I am saying if something like that can survive than FOR SURE SOMETHING ELSE CAN SURVIVE...give me more... but I want a seat or something that is from nothing other than a passenger 757

[Wild Cobra]

ok so as I am saying if something like that can survive than FOR SURE SOMETHING ELSE CAN SURVIVE...give me more... but I want a seat or something that is from nothing other than a passenger 757
This has all been discussed and worn out years ago. Myself, and I'm sure others, don't want to look for old information. Watch a jet's destruction sometime into a concrete barrier, and remember the Pentagon is a concrete structure.

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Where did the jet go?

Anything at that speed that hit concrete, was possibly atomized. Only the parts that made it through the windows, sheered off from a rear part of the aircraft as the front hit, and missed concrete at those speeds, would survive.

[The_Worlds_finest]

Wild cobra

good find. This is interesting. Did you take freezes or did you find this?

[The_Worlds_finest]

Where did the jet go?

The biggest problem with using that video to state your point is that one that was a special built wall(8' thick) to test against aircraft hitting nuclear reactors...and two the most obvious the pentagon wasnt built like that....

[Wild Cobra]

Wild cobra

good find. This is interesting. Did you take freezes or did you find this?
The 'freeze frames' I edited myself from the Youtube clip. The jet, I found on Youtube with a simple search.

[ChumpDumper]

ok so as I am saying if something like that can survive than FOR SURE SOMETHING ELSE CAN SURVIVE...give me more... but I want a seat or something that is from nothing other than a passenger 757How about passengers?

There are some pretty gruesome pictures of them from the Moussaoui trial, if you really care to look. I don't anymore. They are labeled well enough that you can find them yourself if you are really serious.

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution.html

Pretty much all the passengers were identified by DNA, so they were indeed there -- or you are accusing the entire forensics team (about 100 people) of being in on it.

[The_Worlds_finest]

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/thumbs/PA00111.jpg

Well I am certainly sold after seeing this.... this red bandana in PA proves all terroist guilty as charged....jesus christ who conducted the trial mickey mouse holy shit.

The body parts are from the people inside are the people that worked there....if something like the red bandana was found at the pa site but nothing else not even the terrorist wearing it I am calling BULLSHIT and if you cant see it now your in fucking denial

[The_Worlds_finest]

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/thumbs/PE00102A.jpg
this was suppose to have been found INSIDE the pentagon....once again give me a fucking break. I seriously doubt any trial was given...its as fake as the rest of the event...obviously denial is the only excuse

[The_Worlds_finest]

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/thumbs/FO08301.jpg
come on now your only fooling yourselves

[ChumpDumper]

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/thumbs/PE00102A.jpg
this was suppose to have been found INSIDE the pentagon.Where does it say that?

Don't you think that might be a more important piece of evidence than a barf bag?

Good job avoiding the DNA question though. I know you couldn't do anything else when faced with that,

[Wild Cobra]

The biggest problem with using that video to state your point is that one that was a special built wall(8' thick) to test against aircraft hitting nuclear reactors...and two the most obvious the pentagon wasnt built like that....
It still explains what happens. Think about the physics of it. Did you take physics? The kinetic energy of going about 500 MPH of so, suddenly stopping by a solid object, creates an enormous amount of heat. The 757 max takeoff weight is 115,680 kg. Just for illustration, let's assume it weighed 100,000 kg.

Kenetic energy: http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/4/1/4/4140f53f66a68e92afec2389ba289e25.png Energy is in joules, mass in Kg, and Velocity in meters per second. 500 MPH is 223.5 m/sec. This amounts to 2,498 million joules (2.298 GJ.) 1 ton TNT exploding = 4.184 GJ! Remember, a 757 is mostly a hollow aluminum tube. The equivalent of 1200 pounds of TNT can do a great deal of destruction.

[The_Worlds_finest]

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/thumbs/PA00111.jpg
You all can post all the shit you want but when something like this red bandana is suppose to be evidence and you freaking believe it....you have bigger issues than arguing with a stanger online.....



Chumpdumper follow the link...

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/PE00102.html

[The_Worlds_finest]

suddenly stopping by a solid object, creates an enormous amount of heat.

obviously not enough to burn up
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/thumbs/PE00102A.jpg

gentlemen the writing is on the wall

[Wild Cobra]

We don't care about old conspiracies that have been debunked. At least I don't.

Where were you in 2002? Forget how thoroughly your kind was spanked?

This Taxi thing is a new angle. I show compelling evidence it's another faked incident, and you change to old stuff, already debunked. I suggest you read old threads to get your answers.

How about the Taxi. Wrong angle, wrong background, where the light and antenna should be, are blocked by bodies enough to not tell for sure. The other car is parked as not to see the broken window of phone number on the side.

How about it. Same car or not? I say not. Either staged or photo-shopped. Either way, the twoofers are making up evidence. They are lying, and you believe them.

[The_Worlds_finest]

So your saying you believe that the red bandana survived the air crash in pa.....

[Wild Cobra]

So your saying you believe that the red bandana survived the air crash in pa.....
Something of light mass would easily be pushed out by by the air, as it rushes out an opening during the crash. It likely wasn't being worn at the time. Maybe it was hiding a box cutter, until the action started. Easily blown out though.

The problem with you conspiracy theorists, is you take the explaination you want, and ignore other possibilities. I don't know how the bandanna survived, but it's not that improbable.

[ChumpDumper]

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/thumbs/PA00111.jpg
You all can post all the shit you want but when something like this red bandana is suppose to be evidence and you freaking believe it....you have bigger issues than arguing with a stanger online.....Since that wasn't found at the Pentagon site, I don't know why you are bringing it up -- oh, yeah, to avoid talking about the DNA.


Chumpdumper follow the link...

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/PE00102.htmlRight. It says it was found at the crash site, not inside the Pentagon.

[The_Worlds_finest]

Something of light mass would easily be pushed out by by the air, as it rushes out an opening during the crash. It likely wasn't being worn at the time. Maybe it was hiding a box cutter, until the action started. Easily blown out though.

The problem with you conspiracy theorists, is you take the explaination you want, and ignore other possibilities. I don't know how the bandanna survived, but it's not that improbable.

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/thumbs/FO08301.jpg Your probably reffering to THIS box cutter that was found :downspin:

[The_Worlds_finest]

Since that wasn't found at the Pentagon site, I don't know why you are bringing it up -- oh, yeah, to avoid talking about the DNA.

Right. It says it was found at the crash site, not inside the Pentagon.

the dna is as made up as the rest of the crap to be considered evidence

inside the pentagon or on the grass that ID card is total BULLSHIT and you know now your just ignoring the obvious

[Wild Cobra]

Your probably reffering to THIS box cutter that was found :downspin:
The fact it survived doesn't matter. Too many possibilities of why it survived. You cannot rule out that some items would survive.

[ChumpDumper]

the dna is as made up as the rest of the crap to be considered evidenceSo you are saying all the investigators are in on it. And all the bodies are fake.


inside the pentagon or on the grass that ID card is total BULLSHIT and you know now your just ignoring the obviousWhy would it be total bullshit? lighter objects can fall out of or be blown away in a crash.

Tell you what -- why don't you personally interview members of the recovery and cleanup, investigation and forensic crews and ask them why they are all in on the conspiracy?

The ball is in your court.

[Wild Cobra]

As for you guys that are asking where the plane is...not in the pentagon, the debris in the photos proves only one thing by logical deduction if that much material remained from what ever hit the pentagon there should be TONS more if indeed a gigantic 757 hit.

You find one photo of debris that and I STRESS of a passenger jet in the pentagon, I will let you kick me in the balls for a minute straight.

How about engine parts:

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/9-11/rb211a.jpg

Now before you say the jet engine is larger around, yes it is. However, this is the compressor stage which is much smaller than the turbofan in the front. These are engine parts for a 757.

[Wild Cobra]

So you are saying all the investigators are in on it. And all the bodies are fake.

No kidding. Hard to get 50 forensic specialists in on a conspiracy I bet:

Forensic feat IDs nearly all Pentagon victims (http://www.dcmilitary.com/dcmilitary_archives/stories/112901/12279-1.shtml)

Bodies and parts found in the pentagon:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/FirstFloor_Pentagon_Bodies.png/800px-FirstFloor_Pentagon_Bodies.png (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/FirstFloor_Pentagon_Bodies.png)

Click on the above for a 2,528 × 1,723 image.

[Wild Cobra]

I suggest you read the Popular Mechanics article. Go to page 6 for some stuff on the pentagaon:

Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report (http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=1)


FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"

[Wild Cobra]

Check this out too:

Pentagon & Boeing 757 Engine Investigation (http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml)

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/pentagon/rb211-535_2.jpg

Notice how much smaller the diameter of the compressor section is than the front turbo fan. in the above pic.

I edited this one:

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/9-11/rb211-comparison.jpg

Carefully compare these pieces too:

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/photos/aeroenginesjetcutaways/images/5644/rolls-royce-rb211-cutaway-details.jpg

The found compressor piece is probably about the third of fourth in the stack. The blades would have all been sheared off while it was rotating in the crash.

[Galileo]

So you are saying all the investigators are in on it. And all the bodies are fake.

Why would it be total bullshit? lighter objects can fall out of or be blown away in a crash.

Tell you what -- why don't you personally interview members of the recovery and cleanup, investigation and forensic crews and ask them why they are all in on the conspiracy?

The ball is in your court.

Over 200 people were in on the Pat Tillman lie.

[ChumpDumper]

And the truth about Tillman came out right after his memorial service.

So what is your estimate on the people in on 9/11?

I'd say it would have to be in the thousands.

[Blue Jew]

All this evidence and yet they only release 5 frames?

[The_Worlds_finest]

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/9-11/rb211a.jpg

the holes on that part are to close to the edge to be from a RR engine..

so now that it obviously is not from the RR motor where is it from...

[jacobdrj]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

[Wild Cobra]

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/9-11/rb211a.jpg

the holes on that part are to close to the edge to be from a RR engine..

so now that it obviously is not from the RR motor where is it from...
No they aren't. The piece has been bent and twisted. Besides, since when are you expert enough to discredit the experts?

[The_Worlds_finest]

whats the scale of the diagram?

[DarrinS]

Well, if a cab driver says so, that changes everything.


Thanks for posting this. Very solid evidence.


:toast

[Galileo]

And the truth about Tillman came out right after his memorial service.

So what is your estimate on the people in on 9/11?

I'd say it would have to be in the thousands.

Actually, most people have not heard the truth about Tillman yet.

[DarrinS]

This has all been discussed and worn out years ago. Myself, and I'm sure others, don't want to look for old information. Watch a jet's destruction sometime into a concrete barrier, and remember the Pentagon is a concrete structure.

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Where did the jet go?

Anything at that speed that hit concrete, was possibly atomized. Only the parts that made it through the windows, sheered off from a rear part of the aircraft as the front hit, and missed concrete at those speeds, would survive.




Well, when a plane hits a building, it should leave the exact silhouette of the airplane. Haven't you ever watched cartoons? When you crash through a wall, it leaves the exact silhouette of your body.

[ChumpDumper]

Actually, most people have not heard the truth about Tillman yet.That's their problem. The truth got out right after his memorial service and it has been in the news for years.

[Rappin Granny]

Dis 911 shet is tight! Chump gotz scoreboard on you fools!

[Galileo]

That's their problem. The truth got out right after his memorial service and it has been in the news for years.

Most people haven't heard of Spurstalk.com yet. There is a mass media blackout on this, a conspiracy of silence.

[Blue Jew]

Galileo (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=9641) has a point! :tu

[ChumpDumper]

Galileo has a screw loose.

[911]

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/9-11/rb211a.jpg

the holes on that part are to close to the edge to be from a RR engine..

so now that it obviously is not from the RR motor where is it from...


For the sake of arguing endlessly for no reason...lets just say you truth haters have a point.

Lets say your engine parts that look more like parts of a drone than a real passenger jet are real. ok lets say your right and all the facts and photos are wrong. where's the other engine? black box, wheels, wings?

and how did they all fit in that tiny hole?





http://donsplace.us/pentagate/impact_closeup2.jpg

[Galileo]

There's no way for FL77 to explain the hole in the C-ring.

[DarrinS]

For the sake of arguing endlessly for no reason...lets just say you truth haters have a point.

Lets say your engine parts that look more like parts of a drone than a real passenger jet are real. ok lets say your right and all the facts and photos are wrong. where's the other engine? black box, wheels, wings?

and how did they all fit in that tiny hole?







Well, obviously the govt hired contractors to go in and pre-wire the building with explosives before the fake plane hit it.

DuuuUUHHHH!

[Wild Cobra]

There's no way for FL77 to explain the hole in the C-ring.
It was one of the landing gear assemblies that penetrated to the outer C Ring. Remember, this is one of the heavier steel parts rather than what is effectively aluminum foil to the concrete. As for parts in the building, the can also go through windows.

[Galileo]

It was one of the landing gear assemblies that penetrated to the outer C Ring. Remember, this is one of the heavier steel parts rather than what is effectively aluminum foil to the concrete. As for parts in the building, the can also go through windows.

Sure it did. FL77 made a round hole in the C-Ring, but not in the D-ring or the E-ring.

[ChumpDumper]

Do you have pictures of those holes?

[Galileo]

Do you have pictures of those holes?

What holes?

[ChumpDumper]

What holes?


Sure it did. FL77 made a round hole in the C-Ring, but not in the D-ring or the E-ring.Those holes.

[Galileo]

Those holes.

I said there weren't round holes in the D and E ring, so I wouldn't have any photos.

[ChumpDumper]

Then how do you know they weren't round?

[Galileo]

Then how do you know they weren't round?

The hole outside the Pentagon wasn't round.

[ChumpDumper]

The hole outside the Pentagon wasn't round.There were two holes in each ring, so how can you say that for all the rings without any pictures?

[Galileo]

There were two holes in each ring, so how can you say that for all the rings without any pictures?

you need to provide the evidence for your claims.

[ChumpDumper]

you need to provide the evidence for your claims.My claim is you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

My evidence is this thread.

[mookie2001]

hold on let me just check my personal september 11th evidence files