Player of the Decade

[Blake]

Duncan

[TampaDude]

Yeah...if you're talking consistent success, you gotta go with Tim Duncan.

[JamStone]

Yeah, probably so. And?

[KSeal]

JJ Hickson

[Gino]

Um...ever heard of Shaquille Oneal?

Four titles and 6 finals appearances.

Can Duncan compete with that?

Plus in his prime (during this decade) he was the most dominant player ever to play the game. Duncan was never as un-guardable as Shaq was.

[Gino]

Actually, do a blink test:

80s - Magic and Larry
90s - Jordan
2000s - Shaq and Kobe

Most people outside of San Antonio arent aware of how many All-NBA teams Duncan has made etc.

[Blake]

Yeah, probably so. And?

just as I posted, my aircard went down. I was trying to post a poll, and now that I have internet again, it says "you can only post poll within 15 minutes of posting thread."

-Duncan
-Shaq
-Kobe
-Nash
-Garnett
-Iverson
-LeBron
-Mo Williams
-Chris Anderson
-Shawn Bradley

[Blake]

Um...ever heard of Shaquille Oneal?

Four titles and 6 finals appearances.

Can Duncan compete with that?

Plus in his prime (during this decade) he was the most dominant player ever to play the game. Duncan was never as un-guardable as Shaq was.

yes. Shaq had Kobe for three and Wade for the other........two MVP caliber players.

Tim won 3 titles and 2 MVPs.

[stretch]

Shaq and Duncan I think tie.

[Blake]

Actually, do a blink test:

80s - Magic and Larry
90s - Jordan
2000s - Shaq and Kobe

Most people outside of San Antonio arent aware of how many All-NBA teams Duncan has made etc.

you had to put shaq and kobe together when blinking.

[IronMexican]

It's a tie. If Shaq was a rookie during Jordan's last year, this wouldn't even be a question.

[Blake]

It's a tie. If Shaq was a rookie during Jordan's last year, this wouldn't even be a question.

maybe.

so if Kobe wins a title this year, you still think Shaq > Kobe?

[Private Joker]

Is that you John Wayne? Is this me?

[IronMexican]

maybe.

so if Kobe wins a title this year, you still think Shaq > Kobe?

It's 4-4, broseph. Kobe is definitely earning my respect the way he handles himself during the game and post game, though. I love the seriousness.

[ChrisRichards]

Kobe is definitely earning my respect the way he handles himself during the game and post game, though. I love the seriousness.
How am i not surprised?:lmao

[Blake]

It's 4-4, broseph. Kobe is definitely earning my respect the way he handles himself during the game and post game, though. I love the seriousness.

so you think all three would tie?

he had already earned my respect, but it's reaching a new level

Kobe has always made clutch shots, but I don't think I've ever seen him bang like he did with Melo and display the killer instinct he's been showing during these playoffs.

[JamStone]

Technically, if we're talking about the "decade" Shaq has 4 titles and Duncan has 3 titles.

Either way you look at it, 90s versus 2000s or even the last 10 years. The first of these last 10 years was the 1999-2000 season.

[lil_penny]

JJ Hickson

/thread

[IronMexican]

so you think all three would tie?

he had already earned my respect, but it's reaching a new level

Kobe has always made clutch shots, but I don't think I've ever seen him bang like he did with Melo and display the killer instinct he's been showing during these playoffs.

Don't get me wrong, I always thought he was a great player. I just always felt it's so much easier to build around a dominant big man than a guard. Kobe is proving me wrong, though. But it's not like Shaq ever had a team this stacked.

[JamStone]

But it's not like Shaq ever had a team this stacked.

1999-2000 Lakers

[Blake]

Technically, if we're talking about the "decade" Shaq has 4 titles and Duncan has 3 titles.

Either way you look at it, 90s versus 2000s or even the last 10 years. The first of these last 10 years was the 1999-2000 season.

and Shaq has one MVP and Duncan 2.

[IronMexican]

1999-2000 Lakers

That team was great. But wasn't AC Green the back-up C? The good thing about that team was all the 3 point ready shooters on the team. Harper, Shaw, Kobe, Fox, Horry, Rice

[JamStone]

True, and Shaq has 3 Finals MVPs and Duncan 2 Finals MVP over the last decade.

[21_Blessings]

but I don't think I've ever seen him bang like he did with Melo and display the killer instinct he's been showing during these playoffs.

Then you didn't watch the Lakers close enough during their 3 peat.

[21_Blessings]

But it's not like Shaq ever had a team this stacked.

Lmao, that Magic team was completely stacked. 1st team All NBA Penny. All-Star version of Horace Grant. Bunch of other good roleplayers.

If Kobe wins it this year he'll it win at as the true number 1 option and closer. Shaq won his with Kobe on closer duty in 2000 and as option 1a in 2001/2002 where they traded games as the number 1 option.

[Private Pyle]

Is that you John Wayne? Is this me?

This is my rifle. There are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my rifle is useless. Without my rifle I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy, who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will. Before God I swear this creed: my rifle and myself are defenders of my country, we are the masters of our enemy, we are the saviors of my life. So be it, until there is no enemy, but peace. Amen.

[JamStone]

That team was great. But wasn't AC Green the back-up C? The good thing about that team was all the 3 point ready shooters on the team. Harper, Shaw, Kobe, Fox, Horry, Rice

Yeah, and the back-up shooting guard on this Lakers team is Sasha Vujacic.

When you have Shaq as your starting center, especially when he's still at an age where he can average 40 mpg still, the back-up center is largely unimportant.

That Lakers team was stacked. And, the fact that that Lakers team had another superstar in Kobe, another legitimate 20+ ppg who can get his shot any time against anyone, that supporting cast trumps Kobe's current supporting cast. Gasol is good, very good. He's also a pussy sometimes. I'd take even that young Kobe as the second best player on a team over Gasol as the second best player on a team.

[Gunnery Sgt Hartman]

This is my rifle. There are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my rifle is useless. Without my rifle I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy, who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will. Before God I swear this creed: my rifle and myself are defenders of my country, we are the masters of our enemy, we are the saviors of my life. So be it, until there is no enemy, but peace. Amen.

Private Pyle, what the fuck are you doing posting on an internet forum, you fat piece of shit? GET THE FUCK OUT, NOW!!!!!!!!! How about working on doing more than one push-up at a time you fat fuck??? If I see you on here again, I guarantee you, I will definitely FUCK YOU UP!!!

[poop]

take away the Free Gift trade of gasol to kobe and we wouldnt even be talking about this.
what if Duncan were to recieve a Free Gift of that caliber? what if Duncan had on his team bynum, odom, gasol and ariza?
he would lose 10 games the whole year

all these other guys have had stacked teams and MVP type sidekicks...Duncan had robinson in '99 but by '03 drob was old and putting up less than half his career numbers..the other years he had teams of either role players or 2nd round draft picks stepping up, hes only had an all-star on his team like 3 times besides him...

if duncan had a Kobe or Wade on his team for 6-7 of his years he would certainly have around 8 titles by now

[RedsLakers24]

take away the Free Gift trade of gasol to kobe and we wouldnt even be talking about this.
what if Duncan were to recieve a Free Gift of that caliber? what if Duncan had on his team bynum, odom, gasol and ariza?
he would lose 10 games the whole year

all these other guys have had stacked teams and MVP type sidekicks...Duncan had robinson in '99 but by '03 drob was old and putting up less than half his career numbers..the other years he had teams of either role players or 2nd round draft picks stepping up, hes only had an all-star on his team like 3 times besides him...

if duncan had a Kobe or Wade on his team for 6-7 of his years he would certainly have around 8 titles by now

Yeah cuz Tony Parker and Manu Ginobli suck right, and you also have Finley who was pretty good in his prime and is still a good shooter, Tim also had Hedo and Stephen Jackson

[Gino]

I dont think the Lakers winning will really mean anything for Kobe.

The Lakers are SUPPOSE to beat the Magic. They have considerably more talent than the Magic.

Maybe theres not enough competition for the Lakers right now and thats not Kobes fault, but last year he sure did lay an egg against a worthy opponent.

[stretch]

if duncan had a Kobe or Wade on his team for 6-7 of his years he would certainly have around 8 titles by now

you can say the same about a lot of players.

[Blake]

Then you didn't watch the Lakers close enough during their 3 peat.

so what happened to him the 5 years after the 3 peat?

[DeadlyDynasty]

Shaq/Duncan tie

[Darrin]

Top 10 of 2000s:
(Team Success, Numbers, Impact on game, and Impact on Team).

1. Tim Duncan
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Shaquille O'Neal
4. Dirk Nowitzki
5. Chauncey Billups
6. Kevin Garnett
7. Jason Kidd
8. Steve Nash
9. Lebron James
10. Robert Horry

[E20]

Um...ever heard of Shaquille Oneal?

Four titles and 6 finals appearances.

Can Duncan compete with that?

Plus in his prime (during this decade) he was the most dominant player ever to play the game. Duncan was never as un-guardable as Shaq was.

Yeah Duncan can compete with that.......4 titles in 4 finals appearances.

Very consistent player
Tons of all nba/all nba defensive teams
all star starts
stats to back it up that were based on skill and knowledge of the game rather than brute force/power.

[Allanon]

Duncan/Shaq players of the decade.

Kobe/Dirk/Nash/Pistons 4 after them.

[21_Blessings]

1a) Kobe 4 rings 6 finals
1b) Shaq 4 rings 5 finals
3) Duncan 3 rings 3 finals
4) KG 1 ring
5+) who cares

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

1a) Kobe 4 rings 6 finals
1b) Shaq 4 rings 5 finals
3) Duncan 3 rings 3 finals
4) KG 1 ring
5+) who cares

So by that logic Robert Horry is the player of the decade.

[sook]

Kobster.


81 sons.

[MiamiHeat]

This is a SPURS website and nobody has corrected JamStone, Blake, 21_Blessings and others who all said Duncan only has 3 titles?

Duncan has FOUR titles, and 3 Finals MVPs.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

This is a SPURS website and nobody has corrected JamStone, Blake, and others who all said Duncan only has 3 titles?

Duncan has FOUR titles, and 3 Finals MVPs.

We're talking decade so 1999 doesn't count.

[IronMexican]

1998-1999 doesn't equal this decade.

[JamStone]

This is a SPURS website and nobody has corrected JamStone, Blake, and others who all said Duncan only has 3 titles?

Duncan has FOUR titles, and 3 Finals MVPs.

This decade, the last 10 seasons:

1. 2008-09
2. 2007-08
3. 2006-07
4. 2005-06
5. 2004-05
6. 2003-04
7. 2002-03
8. 2001-02
9. 2000-01
10. 1999-2000

The 1998-99 Spurs Championship doesn't fall in the 2000 decade or fall within the last 10 years.

[MiamiHeat]

If you are only counting the 2000's, in that case, it's Shaq.

But really, career-wise, it's Duncan.

By the way, a DECADE is 10 years.

10 years ago, on June 25, 1999 ...the Spurs won the championship.

[MiamiHeat]

The 1998-99 Spurs Championship doesn't fall in the 2000 decade or fall within the last 10 years.

A decade is 10 years. 10 years ago this month, the Spurs were playing in the 1999 NBA Finals.

[jag]

Argue all you want...but when people talk about this era, they are gonna remember two teams and three players.

Lakers and Spurs

Shaq, Kobe, and Duncan.

[MiamiHeat]

1998-1999 doesn't equal this decade.

Decade = 10 years. Yes it does.

I mean, I know what you are trying to say, but 1999 NBA Finals was exactly 10 years ago.

You just want to count the 2000's, and that's fine. Just clarifying

[resistanze]

We should wait after the end of next season to ask this question. The decade IMO should be from the 2000-01 to the 2009-10 seasons.

[MiamiHeat]

It depends on what happens next season.

For the 2000's, as it stands RIGHT NOW, it's :

1) Shaq
2) Duncan
3) Kobe

[jag]

Decade = 10 years. Yes it does.

I mean, I know what you are trying to say, but 1999 NBA Finals was exactly 10 years ago.

You just want to count the 2000's, and that's fine. Just clarifying

Stupid argument. OP didn't say "Best player in the last ten years", he said "player of the decade".

70's, 80's, 90's, 00's, 10's

This is a nitpicking argument just so you can sneak in Duncan's '99 title.

[MiamiHeat]

70's, 80's, 90's, 00's, 10's

This is a nitpicking argument just so you can sneak in Duncan's '99 title.

I was clarifying my position. A decade means 10 years, like it or not.

Move on, it was a misunderstanding.

By the way, JAG, aren't you a "Spurs fan" ? Shouldn't you be the one 'sneaking in Duncan's title' :lol

[JamStone]

Even if you say last the 10 years, the 1998-99 season was 11 years ago.

[IronMexican]

By the way, JAG, aren't you a "Spurs fan" ? Shouldn't you be the one 'sneaking in Duncan's title' :lol

Some people just know math on this forum

[MiamiHeat]

Even if you say last the 10 years, the 1998-99 season was 11 years ago.

Technically, this season isn't over yet :) You can't judge 08-09 yet.

so 98-99 would be 10 seasons/years ago

Anyway, I really don't have an interest in arguing this. I am technically right, but I understand what the OP wanted now, so I am only counting the 2000's even though it's not finished.

[JamStone]

Enough. Just stop.

[MiamiHeat]

Enough. Just stop.

Then why did you post about it again?


Even if you say last the 10 years, the 1998-99 season was 11 years ago.

If you don't want to be corrected, then drop it.... :)

[jag]

By the way, JAG, aren't you a "Spurs fan" ? Shouldn't you be the one 'sneaking in Duncan's title' :lol

I wasn't aware that Duncan needed me to "sneak" one of his titles into this present decade for his legacy to be cemented.

[Blake]

Then why did you post about it again?



If you don't want to be corrected, then drop it.... :)

:lol

the longer you take this the stupider you look. "The" decade implies the 00-09 years to everyone but you who just got flamed for trying to call out others on their math skills.

For all practical purposes, this season is over and you are arguing Shaq vs Duncan who are both done for the decade, so your other argument is worthless as well. Even if you want to argue Kobe, and he doesn't get a title, he will still have one more Finals appearance than Shaq.

I also thought I was on your ignore? How'd you read my post?

hilarious.

[egtonecity]

Technically, this season isn't over yet :) You can't judge 08-09 yet.

so 98-99 would be 10 seasons/years ago

Anyway, I really don't have an interest in arguing this. I am technically right, but I understand what the OP wanted now, so I am only counting the 2000's even though it's not finished.

I say you win based on Technicality points ... nice zing with the "this year aint over yet" point ...

1.Duncan/Shaq
2.Kobe
1,956,768. Matt Bonner
1,956,769. Ime Udoka

[baseline bum]

That team was great. But wasn't AC Green the back-up C? The good thing about that team was all the 3 point ready shooters on the team. Harper, Shaw, Kobe, Fox, Horry, Rice

AC Green started, but hardly played more than the first five minutes. The 99-00 Lakers had an awesome roster; having a clutch as fuck shooter and lockdown defender at the point in Ron Harper was a huge plus for them.

[Ghazi]

Shaq has 3 rings btw, not 4.

Arguably 2 (2002 was rigged)

Duncan wins POTD thus.

[robbie380]

Um...ever heard of Shaquille Oneal?

Four titles and 6 finals appearances.

Can Duncan compete with that?

Plus in his prime (during this decade) he was the most dominant player ever to play the game. Duncan was never as un-guardable as Shaq was.

what the fuck does the most dominant player ever even mean? it's as if people have never heard of wilt or jordan or west or magic or julius or dream or the big o or any of the greats. call me crazy but i'd take magic in his prime over shaq since magic can actually make free throws and average 15 assists and 20 ppg.

[mystargtr34]

True, and Shaq has 3 Finals MVPs and Duncan 2 Finals MVP over the last decade.

I dont think its as simple as that. Duncan was clearly still the man on that 2007 Championship team. He was by far the main man in every series where the real Finals were won, during the Western Conference.

Parker just happened to have a bigger mismatch in the Spurs easiest series of the playoffs, and was awarded the Finals MVP.

Shaq on the other hand, was clearly second fiddle on the last of his championships.

I think theres a pretty big difference there.

Either way, as always with Shaq and Duncan, i dont have a problem with calling it a tie.

[mystargtr34]

I still think the Finals MVP should be changed to Playoffs MVP, obviously going to the guy from the winning team, expecially with how piss weak the East has been outside of Detroit and Boston the last decade.

Its not unforseeable that a guy like Lamar Odom or Andrew Bynum could step up against un undersized team and put up 20-10 in a 4 game sweet and be awarded Finals MVP - while Kobe is double and triple teamed and defended well - despite being the man throughout the playoffs.

That would be a crime.

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't really look at it as "the decade"..I look at it as the "Post-Jordan" era, just like I looked at the previous era as the "Magic-Bird" era..

Kobe winning a title this year puts him on the same level and in the argument vs. Shaq and Duncan IMO, but he doesn't have enough of an argument to put him ahead of either..the only argument in his favor would be quoting the media, but the problem with that is that they don't actually make an argument for him..based on accolades, impact, stats, and winning, you'd have to put Duncan and Shaq ahead of him..

if Kobe wins the title next year, you would have to give him a solid argument against both, possibly ahead of them..the problem with giving Kobe credit for having "4 rings"(if he wins this year) is that people are ignoring the fact that 3 of them were as the sidekick..YES, Kobe was a huge part of those teams, nobody denies that..but it's obviously much easier to do your job when you're always single-covered, and there's a 340 pound man with 2 or 3 guys covering him at a time..

he needs to win 2 as a #1 to get in the argument, it's only fair..as of right now, it's a tough decision between Shaq and Timmy..

Shaq in his prime was the better player, although I really don't think it's a big gap..a lot of people forget how great Tim was in his prime..also, if you gave him Kobe Bryant on his team, he might have looked even better..Shaq still gets the credit for peak though, he would always have at least 2 big men covering him, and sometimes even 3..his 1999-2000 season might be the most dominant in NBA history..

Duncan has been more consistent though..he's clearly been better than Shaq since at least the 2004-2005 season IMO..

#1- Shaquille O'Neal/Tim Duncan
#3- Kobe Bryant
#4- Kevin Garnett

if Kobe wins the title this year and wins it again next year, #1 would be a toss-up between the 3, and probably even leaning towards Kobe since that would be 3 straight NBA Finals appearances and back-to-back titles as the #1..

[Man In Black]

Damn people...it's really easy to figure out.
Just give each contender a point scale total for each achievement.

If they made an All-NBA 1st team, they get 3 points. If it's 2nd team, they get 2, and if it's 3rd team they get 1.
Same for All-NBA Defense with the higher placement getting the most points.
Equal placements for MVP's and Finals MVP's

That should cover it. Since All-Star Games are a Popularity contest as opposed as choosing those who are really worthy, I'll choose to skip it...UNLESS Y'ALL BITCH LIKE IT MEANS SOMETHING.

Source Guide:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team

If you expected your guys to be there but they ain't listed, it's because...they didn't make the cut for that year.

Now do we start with the 99 or 00 year?
If we start with 99 it goes like this:
1999
All-NBA 1st Team
Tim Duncan 3 points

2nd Team
Shaquille O'Neal 2 points

3rd Team
Kobe Bryant 1 Point

All-NBA Defense 1st Team
Tim Duncan 3 Points

Finals MVP
Tim Duncan 3 Points

For 1999 The Score is
Tim 9
Shaq 2
Kobe 1

2000
MVP Shaquille O'Neal 3 Points

All-NBA 1st Team
Tim Duncan 3 Points
Shaquille O'Neal 3 Points

2nd Team
Kobe Bryant 2 Points

All-NBA Defensive 1st Team
Tim Duncan 2 Points
Kobe Bryant 2 Points

2nd Team
Shaquille O'Neal 1 Point

Finals MVP
Shaquille O'Neal 3 Points

For 2000 The Score is
Shaquille O'Neal 10
Tim Duncan 5
Kobe Bryant 4

2001

All-NBA 1st Team
Tim Duncan 3 Points
Shaquille O'Neal 3 Points

2nd Team
Kobe Bryant 2 Points

All-NBA Defensive 1st Team
Tim Duncan 2 Points

2nd Team
Shaquille O'Neal 1 Point
Kobe Bryant 1 Point

Finals MVP
Shaquille O'Neal 3 Points

For 2001 The Score is
Shaquille O'Neal 7
Tim Duncan 5
Kobe Bryant 3

2002

MVP Tim Duncan 3 Points

All-NBA 1st Team
Tim Duncan 3 Points
Shaquille O'Neal 3 Points
Kobe Bryant 3 Points

All-NBA Defensive 1st Team
Tim Duncan 2 Points

2nd Team
Kobe Bryant 1 Point

Finals MVP
Shaquille O'Neal 3 Points

For 2002 The Score is
Tim Duncan 8
Shaquille O'Neal 6
Kobe Bryant 4

2003

MVP Tim Duncan 3 Points

All-NBA 1st Team
Tim Duncan 3 Points
Shaquille O'Neal 3 Points
Kobe Bryant 3 Points

All-NBA Defensive 1st Team
Tim Duncan 2 Points
Kobe Bryant 2 Points

2nd Team
Shaquille O'Neal 1 Point

Finals MVP
Tim Duncan 3 Points

For 2003 The Score is
Tim Duncan 11
Kobe Bryant 5
Shaquille O'Neal 4


2004

All-NBA 1st Team
Tim Duncan 3 Points
Shaquille O'Neal 3 Points
Kobe Bryant 3 Points

All-NBA Defensive 1st Team
Kobe Bryant 2 Points

2nd Team
Tim Duncan 1 Point


For 2004 The Score is
Kobe Bryant 5
Tim Duncan 4
Shaquille O'Neal 3


2005

All-NBA 1st Team
Tim Duncan 3 Points
Shaquille O'Neal 3 Points

3rd Team
Kobe Bryant 1 Point

All-NBA Defensive 1st Team
Tim Duncan 2 Points


Finals MVP
Tim Duncan 3 Points

For 2005 The Score is
Tim Duncan 8
Shaquille O'Neal 3
Kobe Bryant 1


2006

All-NBA 1st Team
Shaquille O'Neal 3 Points
Kobe Bryant 3 Points

2nd Team
Tim Duncan 2 Points

All-NBA Defensive 1st Team
Kobe Bryant 2 Points

2nd Team
Tim Duncan 1 Points


For 2006 The Score is
Kobe Bryant 5
Tim Duncan 3
Shaquille O'Neal 3


2007

All-NBA 1st Team
Kobe Bryant 3 Points

2nd Team
Tim Duncan 2 Points

All-NBA Defensive 1st Team
Tim Duncan 2 Points
Kobe Bryant 2 Points


For 2007 The Score is
Kobe Bryant 5
Tim Duncan 4


2008

All-NBA 1st Team
Kobe Bryant 3 Point

2nd Team
Tim Duncan 2 Points

All-NBA Defensive 1st Team
Tim Duncan 2 Points
Kobe Bryant 2 Points


For 2008 The Score is
Kobe Bryant 5
Tim Duncan 4


2009

All-NBA 1st Team
Kobe Bryant 3 Point

2nd Team
Tim Duncan 2 Points

All-NBA Defensive 1st Team
Tim Duncan 2 Points
Kobe Bryant 2 Points


For 2009 The Score is
Kobe Bryant 5
Tim Duncan 4
Of Course The Finals MVP will make a determinant point for this season and that, as of this posting, has yet to be decided. But,should the LAL win, it would most like be Kobe Bryant.


Just add up the years, include 99 or don't and then you'll know.

[Man In Black]

From 2000 season
Tim 56
Kobe 42
Shaq 36

If we add the 99 Season
Tim 64
Kobe 43
Shaq 38

Fuck the 4-Letter and their Q Ratings.
The real player of the Decade plays Dungeons & Dragons, Has a T-1 Connection pipelined to his house, and is an Avid Gamer who thinks Brandon Lee's The Crow is the best movie ever.

I disagree with Tim. It's Brandon's Dad..Bruce Lee in Enter The Dragon as the best movie ever.

[duncan228]

From 2000 season
Tim 56
Kobe 42
Shaq 36

If we add the 99 Season
Tim 64
Kobe 43
Shaq 38

Fuck the 4-Letter and their Q Ratings.
The real player of the Decade plays Dungeons & Dragons, Has a T-1 Connection pipelined to his house, and is an Avid Gamer who thinks Brandon Lee's The Crow is the best movie ever.

Nice way to break it down. Makes sense to me. :tu

[Amaso]

It's a three way tie, and we all know the players.

[JamStone]

The one qualifier with that breakdown is that on those all NBA teams and all defense teams there are two spots for forwards and one spot for centers. Might not make a difference but it could.

[angelbelow]

toss up for me, shaq, duncan, kobe, and shawn marion. any of those would be fine with me.

[Laker-fan-in-SanAnto]

It depends on what happens next season.

For the 2000's, as it stands RIGHT NOW, it's :

1) Shaq
2) Duncan
3) Kobe

I agree with you, I'll put Shaq in front of Duncan by a hairline. But it might change in a week.IMO

[jacobdrj]

Those 'ALL NBA' teams, particularly ALL NBA DEFENSE teams are completely BOGUS!

[Flo-Rida]

Von Wafer

[Man In Black]

No...The All-NBA D Teams are fine...It's the DPOY that's bogus.

[KSeal]

Shaq has 3 rings btw, not 4.

Arguably 2 (2002 was rigged)

Duncan wins POTD thus.

:whine

[ImmortalD24]

1. Kobe
2. Shaq





3. Duncan

[resistanze]

I'd let Kobe nut on my chin.
Wow.

[Hornets1]

]If you are only counting the 2000's, in that case, it's Shaq.[/B]

But really, career-wise, it's Duncan.

By the way, a DECADE is 10 years.

10 years ago, on June 25, 1999 ...the Spurs won the championship.

That makes no sense. Shaq was a lot better career wise in the 90s than duncan seeing as he was an all-star for the most part of it, and duncan didnt even arrive till 97. So if Shaq had a better 90s and 00s, how is duncan's career better than shaq? Your logic doesnt add up. In his prime, shaq was the most unstoppable big man ever to play the game.

[Darrin]

After this decade, I believe the last 10 seasons are ranked as followed:

1. 2007-08
2. 2004-05
3. 2006-07
4. 2005-06
5. 2002-03
6. 2003-04
7. 2000-01
8. 1999-00
9. 2008-09
10. 2001-02

[peskypesky]

Tracy McGrady

[j-money24]

Argue all you want...but when people talk about this era, they are gonna remember two teams and three players.

Lakers and Spurs

Shaq, Kobe, and Duncan.

And some losers like Phoenix Suns and Dallas Mavericks.

[Lars]

Grats Shaq on player of the decade!

[j-money24]

No way Shaq wins Player of the Decade on Spurstalk.com.

[Warlord23]

The real question is who's the player of the post-Jordan era.

Duncan has 4 rings, 2 MVPs, 3 Finals MVPs, the best overall winning %, never missed the playoffs, as well as more all-NBA teams and all-Defense teams any other player in the post-Jordan era.

The period between 1999 and 2009 is now formally christened the Duncan era.

Shaq and Kobe are #2 and #3 respectively despite the fact that each has missed the playoffs once, have at least 2 referee-tainted titles between (2002 when the Kings got screwed and 2006 when the Mavs received the shaft) and have put up some horrible post-season performances leading to their team's defeat (Shaq in the sweep by the Bulls; Kobe vs the Pistons in 2004, Kobe vs Phoenix in 2005, Kobe vs Boston in 2008).

Kevin Garnett is #4 for finally bringing one back to Boston.

Chauncey Billups gets the #5 spot for winning a title and consistently leading teams to the conference finals.

Numbers 6 through 10 is any order of Kidd (2 finals), Dirk (1 MVP, 1 finals), Nash (2 MVPs), Iverson (1 MVP, 1 finals), LeBron (1 MVP, 1 Finals)

[dirk4mvp]

and 2006 when the Mavs received the shaft)

LOL


Wow


When it fits their argument to make Duncan look better than Shaq, spur fan says the Mavs got shafted, but any other time the Mavs choked.


Kill yourself.


Shaq > Duncan

[Ghazi]

lol @ Billups 5th

[Ghazi]

It appears people are basing their players of the decade based on circumstance rather than pure basketball ability and accolades.

Keep in mind in alternate universes Duncan/Shaq/Kobe may not have been put in those positions to win those rings.

So let's judge purely on basketball ability and accolades in relation to the surrounding talent.

Player of the decade: Dirk Nowitzki

Why?

50+ wins every year, 2006 NBA Championship, 4 time all-NBA 1st team, 2007 MVP, 9* All star, 9* all-NBA.

Also, how does he do in the playoffs v the other greats of the decade?
2-1 v Duncan ('03 doesn't count since Dirk was hurt)
1-0 v Shaq
1-0 v Garnett
1-1 v Nash

pretty solid record here at 5-2


Amazing efficiency year in and year out. The offensive arsenal of a shooting guard, the passing skills of a POINT guard, the rebounding of a power forward, and the efficiency of a center. Dirk's defensive adjusted +/- ratings over the decade suggest that his defense is underrated to an extent and that he's an average defender. his amazing adjusted +/- suggests that his offense more than offsets his lack of defensive presence.

What's remarkable about all of this is that Dirk has not played with an all-NBA caliber player since the 02-03 season, when Nash was 3rd team. Dirk has never played alongside a defensive ace like Bruce Bowen either and the best center Dirk's played alongside is... well Erick fucking Dampier. Only all-star Dirk's played with recently is Josh Howard, on a technicality. (although Kidd was an All-Star w/ the Nets last year).

One thing I will say is Dirk has always played alongside quality point guards...Nash/Terry/Harris/Kidd.

Dirk Nowitzki, player of the decade.

[resistanze]

Damn, that shtick got old real quick, Ghazi.

[Phonzie20]

No way Shaq wins Player of the Decade on Spurstalk.com.

The Ogre should never be considered POTD. It's a useless argument anyway...

I just wanted to notate him as an Ogre one more time.

[Ditty]

It appears people are basing their players of the decade based on circumstance rather than pure basketball ability and accolades.

Keep in mind in alternate universes Duncan/Shaq/Kobe may not have been put in those positions to win those rings.

So let's judge purely on basketball ability and accolades in relation to the surrounding talent.

Player of the decade: Dirk Nowitzki

Why?

50+ wins every year, 2006 NBA Championship, 4 time all-NBA 1st team, 2007 MVP, 9* All star, 9* all-NBA.

Also, how does he do in the playoffs v the other greats of the decade?
2-1 v Duncan ('03 doesn't count since Dirk was hurt)
1-0 v Shaq
1-0 v Garnett
1-1 v Nash

pretty solid record here at 5-2


Amazing efficiency year in and year out. The offensive arsenal of a shooting guard, the passing skills of a POINT guard, the rebounding of a power forward, and the efficiency of a center. Dirk's defensive adjusted +/- ratings over the decade suggest that his defense is underrated to an extent and that he's an average defender. his amazing adjusted +/- suggests that his offense more than offsets his lack of defensive presence.

What's remarkable about all of this is that Dirk has not played with an all-NBA caliber player since the 02-03 season, when Nash was 3rd team. Dirk has never played alongside a defensive ace like Bruce Bowen either and the best center Dirk's played alongside is... well Erick fucking Dampier. Only all-star Dirk's played with recently is Josh Howard, on a technicality. (although Kidd was an All-Star w/ the Nets last year).

One thing I will say is Dirk has always played alongside quality point guards...Nash/Terry/Harris/Kidd.

Dirk Nowitzki, player of the decade.


dirk couldnt play defense for shit

great shooter is all dirk is nothing more

u have a owner who buys players to make dirk better

dirk is overated nothing but just a shooter who makes fluke shots thats all

player of the decade my ass

[SouthTexasRancher]

Um...ever heard of Shaquille Oneal?

Four titles and 6 finals appearances.

Can Duncan compete with that?

Plus in his prime (during this decade) he was the most dominant player ever to play the game. Duncan was never as un-guardable as Shaq was.


LOL, a LaLa Land Faker fanette trying to pose as a Spurs fan. Gotta love it. You people from Hollywood are so strange!

[mavs>spurs2]

dirk couldnt play defense for shit

great shooter is all dirk is nothing more

u have a owner who buys players to make dirk better

dirk is overated nothing but just a shooter who makes fluke shots thats all

player of the decade my ass

:lmao you're a fucking dumbass!!!

[DrHouse]

LOL, a LaLa Land Faker fanette trying to pose as a Spurs fan. Gotta love it. You people from Hollywood are so strange!

Wow you are a dumbass. This guy is a Celtic fan.

[BlackSwordsMan]

dirk is the best PF in the league right now