Obama spends $73k in taxpayer money taking Michelle on a date.

[Heath Ledger]

I love this guys videos.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNiN-ZLVt6k&feature=channel

[jack sommerset]

He is funny. Reminds me of the old Dennis Leary MTV commercials but on speed.

5v8OhJTqi2s

[FaithInOne]

That's my boy!

I was watching Pelosi on CSPAN the other day talk about flying over Alaska (in her private jet) on the way to China the other week and how she could see the ice melting blah blah blah. They are all fucking hypocrites who are living the life of royalty off the taxpayers dime while they bankrupt and rape the country. oh well

[boutons_deux]

"The August getaway is Bush's 49th trip to his cherished ranch since taking office and Tuesday was the 319th day that Bush has spent, entirely or partially, in Crawford -- roughly 20 percent of his presidency to date, according to Mark Knoller, a CBS Radio reporter known for keeping better records of the president's travel than the White House itself. Weekends and holidays at Camp David or at his parents' compound in Kennebunkport, Maine, bump up the proportion of Bush's time away from Washington even further." "Until now, probably no modern president was a more famous vacationer than Ronald Reagan, who loved spending time at his ranch in Santa Barbara, Calif. According to an Associated Press count, Reagan spent all or part of 335 days in Santa Barbara over his eight-year presidency -- a total that Bush will surpass this month in Crawford with 3 1/2 years left in his second term." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/02/AR2005080201703.html Were there any complaints from Repugs, conservatives, and bubbas?

[florige]

"The August getaway is Bush's 49th trip to his cherished ranch since taking office and Tuesday was the 319th day that Bush has spent, entirely or partially, in Crawford -- roughly 20 percent of his presidency to date, according to Mark Knoller, a CBS Radio reporter known for keeping better records of the president's travel than the White House itself. Weekends and holidays at Camp David or at his parents' compound in Kennebunkport, Maine, bump up the proportion of Bush's time away from Washington even further." "Until now, probably no modern president was a more famous vacationer than Ronald Reagan, who loved spending time at his ranch in Santa Barbara, Calif. According to an Associated Press count, Reagan spent all or part of 335 days in Santa Barbara over his eight-year presidency -- a total that Bush will surpass this month in Crawford with 3 1/2 years left in his second term." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/02/AR2005080201703.html Were there any complaints from Repugs, conservatives, and bubbas?





:lol I guess they think since "Barry" is a money hungry dirty dem, he should spend every waking moment in the Oval Office.

[johnsmith]

They are all fucking hypocrites who are living the life of royalty off the taxpayers dime while they bankrupt and rape the country. oh well

That's exactly right. And that's exactly why people like Boutons crack me up when they stick up for the Obama's of the world.

[Wild Cobra]

Well, I think President Obama is a joke, but he is the president, and the protection and costs come with the job. Do you people seriously think he should put his personal life on hold?

Please, don't act like a liberal puke. This is not something to complain about.

[Marcus Bryant]

I don't see the matter with criticizing how the presidency has become this institutionalized potentate living the life of luxury, as well as how no president is allowed much of a chance to go off script. Still, the American myth is that the president is just another fellow citizen, one who left his farm or his shop and headed to the District of Columbia to serve the public. Right.

[JoeChalupa]

Yeah, the costs come of protection come with the job and he'll get critized for every little thing because that is what WE do. While I think Bush was an idiot he was still my President. If you watch FoxNews they will find fault in everything Obama does and that is what they do.

[boutons_deux]

johnsmith, your wish for my mother's death came true. How about your mother? Do you, dickless, still want to fight me?

[johnsmith]

johnsmith, your wish for my mother's death came true. I knew I had super powers...........but now I must figure out how to utilize them for my own well-being.
How about your mother? She's fine, thanks for asking. I always thought you really did care, now I know you do.
Do you, dickless, still want to fight me?I guess, should we meet by the flagpole after you get out of recess?

[elbamba]

I don't see the matter with criticizing how the presidency has become this institutionalized potentate living the life of luxury, as well as how no president is allowed much of a chance to go off script. Still, the American myth is that the president is just another fellow citizen, one who left his farm or his shop and headed to the District of Columbia to serve the public. Right.

That is how it used to be. Most people gave up their money to be the president. Presidents like Adams and Andrew Jackson were borderline poor because they spent their lives in public service. Then they had to pay for most of their expenses in the white house.

[Sec24Row7]

Andrew Jackson? hah... im sure he did fine with the kickbacks...

[MiamiHeat]

Andrew Jackson? hah... im sure he did fine with the kickbacks...

Kickbacks? You don't know what you are talking about. Andrew Jackson, in terms of corruption, was one of the best presidents we ever had.

He actually went and paid off our national debt. Something nobody has done, before him or since him.

[jack sommerset]

I really don't give a shit about date night a few months in to his new job, the one he will only have for 4 years. The samething he told people not to do. 70 thousand bones for a date is crazy alot. The thing I don't get is why not go to NY for business and take the wife out to a show one night. Why all the media circus. The planes,helicopters,limos. That if I think about it is the BULLSHIT part. Fucking dude is a liar. Biggest one I have ever seen!

[George Gervin's Afro]

I really don't give a shit about date night a few months in to his new job, the one he will only have for 4 years. The samething he told people not to do. 70 thousand bones for a date is crazy alot. The thing I don't get is why not go to NY for business and take the wife out to a show one night. Why all the media circus. The planes,helicopters,limos. That if I think about it is the BULLSHIT part. Fucking dude is a liar. Biggest one I have ever seen!

There you go again jack calling him the biggest liar ever? I have asked you at leas three times to back that up....so how is the biggest liar ever..? If you don't back your up your crap then shut the f*ck up..

[ChumpDumper]

The samething he told people not to do.He told people not to go out?

I'd like to see this quote.

[exstatic]

Newsflash: If Obama took his wife to Taco Bell, the bill would probably be in the thousands when you factor in fuel for those 20,000 pound behemoth bulletproof Suburbans, communications, Secret Service, etc.

It's expensive to move the POTUS and the FLOTUS around in a secure fashion. Get over it.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Newsflash: If Obama took his wife to Taco Bell, the bill would probably be in the thousands when you factor in fuel for those 20,000 pound behemoth bulletproof Suburbans, communications, Secret Service, etc.

It's expensive to move the POTUS and the FLOTUS around in a secure fashion. Get over it.

Haven't you heard? He is the biggest liar EVER!

[jack sommerset]

He told people not to go out?

I'd like to see this quote.

He told people this

“We’re going to do something to strengthen the banking system," Mr. Obama said, “You are not going to be able to give out these big bonuses until you pay taxpayers back. You can't get corporate jets. You can't go take a trip to Las Vegas or go down to the Super Bowl on the taxpayers' dime. There's got to be some accountability and some responsibility.”

[jman3000]

So telling CEO's of corporations that took federal money to stop using funds for extravagant things equates to telling Joe Schmo not to go visit Las Vegas?

The governor of Nevada was talking about how much those sentences hurt Las Vegas and that it cost 100's of millions of dollars. What the fuck? The recession is what hurt Las Vegas you dumb shit. Not the words of the president. It's not our fault that Las Vegas is a city that put all it's eggs in the expendable income basket.

[George Gervin's Afro]

He told people this

“We’re going to do something to strengthen the banking system," Mr. Obama said, “You are not going to be able to give out these big bonuses until you pay taxpayers back. You can't get corporate jets. You can't go take a trip to Las Vegas or go down to the Super Bowl on the taxpayers' dime. There's got to be some accountability and some responsibility.”

every trip is on the tax payer dime... this is all you've got? When are you going to prove to the world that Obama is the biggest liar in your 37 yrs? Jack if your going to make a claim you shold be able to back it up....

[jman3000]

On a side note... Glenn Beck was saying how great it is that Nevada can have such low taxes and is siphoning off all of Cali's rich people.

Does he not realize that the reason the taxes are so low is because they are assuaged by taxes on prostitution, gambling, and other vices?

Glad to know he's totally for the legalization and taxation of hookers and gambling across the entire nation. I totally agree.

[ChumpDumper]

He told people this

“We’re going to do something to strengthen the banking system," Mr. Obama said, “You are not going to be able to give out these big bonuses until you pay taxpayers back. You can't get corporate jets. You can't go take a trip to Las Vegas or go down to the Super Bowl on the taxpayers' dime. There's got to be some accountability and some responsibility.”:lmao

That seems pretty finely targeted.

He wasn't telling you not to travel or go on dates, that's for sure.

[jack sommerset]

:lmao

That seems pretty finely targeted.

He wasn't telling you not to travel or go on dates, that's for sure.

I disagree but glad you are happy. I am off to the ball game!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jman3000]

So.... he's disagreeing that the statement was targeted at a specific group of CEO's? WTF?

He has the same ability to use critical thinking as a 3 year old.

There's some things that Obama is doing that I disagree with, but being a whiny little bitch for the sake of being a whiny little bitch just screams of swimming in the intellectual kiddie pool.

[exstatic]

I disagree but glad you are happy. I am off to the ball game!!!!!!!!!!!!

Scofflaw!! Spendthrift!!!

[ducks]

"The August getaway is Bush's 49th trip to his cherished ranch since taking office and Tuesday was the 319th day that Bush has spent, entirely or partially, in Crawford -- roughly 20 percent of his presidency to date, according to Mark Knoller, a CBS Radio reporter known for keeping better records of the president's travel than the White House itself. Weekends and holidays at Camp David or at his parents' compound in Kennebunkport, Maine, bump up the proportion of Bush's time away from Washington even further." "Until now, probably no modern president was a more famous vacationer than Ronald Reagan, who loved spending time at his ranch in Santa Barbara, Calif. According to an Associated Press count, Reagan spent all or part of 335 days in Santa Barbara over his eight-year presidency -- a total that Bush will surpass this month in Crawford with 3 1/2 years left in his second term." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/02/AR2005080201703.html Were there any complaints from Repugs, conservatives, and bubbas?
this has nothing to do with this thread

boy you need a clue

[jman3000]

this has nothing to do with this thread

boy you need a clue

The thread is about the spending of taxpayer money and what is or is not appropriate as far as presidents go.

You're the dumb shit that needs a clue.

[ChumpDumper]

I disagree but glad you are happy. I am off to the ball game!!!!!!!!!!!!So you are saying he was telling you personally not to go out or travel?

:rollin

Do you hear him speaking in your head often?

Do dogs talk to you too?

[Wild Cobra]

That is how it used to be. Most people gave up their money to be the president. Presidents like Adams and Andrew Jackson were borderline poor because they spent their lives in public service. Then they had to pay for most of their expenses in the white house.
I don't know about Jackson, but Adams was no where near borderline. He had a fair amount of property. He simply would have been more wealthy than as president.

[Winehole23]

:sleep

[florige]

Newsflash: If Obama took his wife to Taco Bell, the bill would probably be in the thousands when you factor in fuel for those 20,000 pound behemoth bulletproof Suburbans, communications, Secret Service, etc.

It's expensive to move the POTUS and the FLOTUS around in a secure fashion. Get over it.

And from what I hear, Obama drives the secret service crazy because he is always going off script with wanting to do things like walk places. Just pure speculation though.

[Sec24Row7]

Kickbacks? You don't know what you are talking about. Andrew Jackson, in terms of corruption, was one of the best presidents we ever had.

He actually went and paid off our national debt. Something nobody has done, before him or since him.

Educate yourself...

Popular history isn't always the whole truth...

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1568/is_1_36/ai_n6006332/?tag=content;col1

Washington probably told a lie once too...

Jackson was not opposed at all to using his positions of power for land speculation... he is revered as a great president... but probably was the most abusive of executive power Ever...

[v2freak]

Well, I think President Obama is a joke, but he is the president, and the protection and costs come with the job. Do you people seriously think he should put his personal life on hold?

Please, don't act like a liberal puke. This is not something to complain about.

We get all of this nonsense about his NCAA picks and what his rules are on dating for his daughters too. But this is ridiculous.

Sorry WC, I agree with a lot of your political views but I think is something to pay attention to. It is hypocritical of him and boutons, you're missing the point. Bush may have done those things but he never claimed to be a friend of the environment, that's the point. The hypocracy of the situation is what is alarming.

And for those of you asking for evidence to support him being "the biggest liar", it's obviously an opinion, not a fact. 'Biggest' being an adjective is already subjective, you're treating it like it's a fact. People are allowed to think what they want.

Loved the video. Good thread

[exstatic]

It's hypocritical that he wants to take his wife out on a date?

[JoeChalupa]

I still take my wife out on dates. Damn right.

[George Gervin's Afro]

It's hypocritical that he wants to take his wife out on a date?

It is if you are President and claim to care about the environment..:rolleyes

[Wild Cobra]

It's hypocritical that he wants to take his wife out on a date?
No, he's talking about the greenhouse gasses of all the vehicles in a presidential convoy, and that this president wants to reduce greenhouse gasses.

I agree with that point, but then keep it at that. Call him on the hypocrisy. Not of the costs involved with the president going places. At least he's not tying up an airport runway getting a haircut, unnecessarily inconveniencing thousands of people..

[jack sommerset]

So you are saying he was telling you personally not to go out or travel?

:rollin

Do you hear him speaking in your head often?

Do dogs talk to you too?

Yup. I made up “We’re going to do something to strengthen the banking system," Mr. Obama said, “You are not going to be able to give out these big bonuses until you pay taxpayers back. You can't get corporate jets. You can't go take a trip to Las Vegas or go down to the Super Bowl on the taxpayers' dime. There's got to be some accountability and some responsibility.”

If you want his words to only apply to a cetain group that's ur deal. Glad my tax dollars allow Obama to live a life of socialist bliss. He is a hypocrite.

[boutons_deux]

You wrongie fuckers need to come up something fresh. "socialist", dictated to you by the hate-media and conservative "think" tanks, was never accurate and now it's just beyond old.

How about leaning on the corrupt, criminal financial sector rather than the owned Repug and Dem (pre and post Magik Negro) whores "saving" the financial sector?

nah, that would be too anti-business, and wrongies are pro-business/anti-consumer ideologically, no matter what crimes business commits.

[George Gervin's Afro]

No, he's talking about the greenhouse gasses of all the vehicles in a presidential convoy, and that this president wants to reduce greenhouse gasses.

I agree with that point, but then keep it at that. Call him on the hypocrisy. Not of the costs involved with the president going places. At least he's not tying up an airport runway getting a haircut, unnecessarily inconveniencing thousands of people..

Well you would bitch if he upgraded all Presidential vehicles to hybrids at the tax payer expense so he can't please you losers.

[jman3000]

Yup. I made up “We’re going to do something to strengthen the banking system," Mr. Obama said, “You are not going to be able to give out these big bonuses until you pay taxpayers back. You can't get corporate jets. You can't go take a trip to Las Vegas or go down to the Super Bowl on the taxpayers' dime. There's got to be some accountability and some responsibility.”

If you want his words to only apply to a cetain group that's ur deal. Glad my tax dollars allow Obama to live a life of socialist bliss. He is a hypocrite.

Sounds like you're mad because you were planning on giving out big bonuses and you really wanted to buy a corporate jet with taxpayer money.

You're a partisan idiot.

[ChumpDumper]

Yup. I made up “We’re going to do something to strengthen the banking system," Mr. Obama said, “You are not going to be able to give out these big bonuses until you pay taxpayers back. You can't get corporate jets. You can't go take a trip to Las Vegas or go down to the Super Bowl on the taxpayers' dime. There's got to be some accountability and some responsibility.”

If you want his words to only apply to a cetain group that's ur deal.:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

If you want to believe everything a president says to each group to applies to everyone in the country, it is your prerogative to be stupid and wrong.

You seriously believe that Obama declared a moratorium on buy jets and trips to Vegas for the entire country?

:rollin

[jack sommerset]

Sounds like you're mad because you were planning on giving out big bonuses and you really wanted to buy a corporate jet with taxpayer money.

You're a partisan idiot.

Is that what it sounds like faggot? :lol

You think it's okay for a President that spent other peoples money on over 8,000 earmarks and double our deficit that puts down CEO's about taking vacations,bonuses,buying planes spending all sorts of taxpayers money because they can. Well idiot, thats what Obama just did. He spent uselss money that we (atleast me, maybe not you) gave him so he can take a airplane,helocopter,limo ride(s) to go to NYC to a play on Broadway for date night with his wife. Idiot,,,that is wasting our money for his own personal gain. Idiot, that is a hypocrite. He is no better than those CEO's we gave money to bailout their asses. These people keep taking and taking. Obama is no different.

[jman3000]

Is that what it sounds like faggot? :lol

You think it's okay for a President that spent other peoples money on over 8,000 earmarks and double our deficit that puts down CEO's about taking vacations,bonuses,buying planes spending all sorts of taxpayers money because they can. Well idiot, thats what Obama just did. He spent uselss money that we (atleast me, maybe not you) gave him so he can take a airplane,helocopter,limo ride(s) to go to NYC to a play on Broadway for date night with his wife. Idiot,,,that is wasting our money for his own personal gain. Idiot, that is a hypocrite. He is no better than those CEO's we gave money to bailout their asses. These people keep taking and taking. Obama is no different.

You've proven time and time again that you're on the same level as ducks when it comes to political commentary. Your opinion on most subjects is just a rehash of what you've heard on conservative radio, thusly, your opinion is inconsequential. It's not my fault you're a stupid ass robot who can't think for himself/herself.

[jack sommerset]

You've proven time and time again that you're on the same level as ducks when it comes to political commentary. Your opinion on most subjects is just a rehash of what you've heard on conservative radio, thusly, your opinion is inconsequential . It's not my fault you're a stupid ass robot who can't think for himself/herself.

:lolSTFU. This is what u bring to the topic. You are the robot douchebag. Not me,,,,you.If my opinion is inconsequential then don't reply and u say I am stupid. You don't know if I am a him or a her but you know I listen to converative radio... What a fag line. You are a fucking IDIOT.

Obama lectures people about spending our tax payer dollars and this guy goes out on "date night" taking planes,limos and helicopters that we paid for after all the shit our country is going through and you think u are a smarty fucking ass by comparing me to some assfuck that calls himself ducks on a spewstalk website. That's fucking FUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNY. No need for this "date night" especially spending CRAZY cash of our money to do this.

[jack sommerset]

Why don't you guys just admit this was excessive. This had to cost a hell of alot more 73 k.

[jman3000]

You're right. You're beneath me and I shouldn't have to respond to your inconsequential opinion. Thanks for setting me straight, dumb ass :toast

[jack sommerset]

You're right. You're beneath me and I shouldn't have to respond to your inconsequential opinion. Thanks for setting me straight, dumb ass :toast

:lol Beneath you. That is greatness! You are a pussy. A straight up pussy. You can't defend Obama for this "date night" so you act like the pussy u are and just insult. I can insult to pussy. Believe me you are not above anyone. You and I am 100 percent certain you have been told this ur whole life are a PUSSY.:lol

[ChumpDumper]

It's easy to defend Obama's date night.

He's the president. He can take in a show every now and then. It probably costs several thousand dollars for him to go out for a jog. Please, keep a count of every cent spent on the president -- now and in the past -- because it is important to you.

[jack sommerset]

It's easy to defend Obama's date night.

He's the president. He can take in a show every now and then. It probably costs several thousand dollars for him to go out for a jog. Please, keep a count of every cent spent on the president -- now and in the past -- because it is important to you.

b-yJBsjatW0

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not going to watch a four minute video from someone who can't speak for himself.

[jack sommerset]

I'm not going to watch a four minute video from someone who can't speak for himself.

I speak for myself all the time chumpy. It's a song. It's actually pretty good. If you have not seen it you will really like it. It's music baby. I gurantee you will be shaking that fat head of yours. Give one minute. Like you said "it's easy to defend Obama's date night. He's the President" He can can do whatever he likes..... put to music.

[ChumpDumper]

Sorry, not watching it. I know you are out of arguments, but that's just lazy.

[jack sommerset]

Sorry, not watching it. I know you are out of arguments, but that's just lazy.

I know you watched it. It's pretty catchy. Over 12 million hits.

[JudynTX]

I'm tired of hearing about these "date nights". :wgaf:

[Blake]

He spent uselss money that we (atleast me, maybe not you) gave him so he can take a airplane,helocopter,limo ride(s) to go to NYC to a play on Broadway for date night with his wife. Idiot,,,that is wasting our money for his own personal gain. Idiot, that is a hypocrite. He is no better than those CEO's we gave money to bailout their asses. These people keep taking and taking. Obama is no different.

his own personal gain? Youre calling watching a Broadway show personal gain and a waste of taxpayer money?

How much do you think Obama's salary and stipends should be?

[jman3000]

He probably thinks all president's who are Democrats should subscribe to the "Ross Perot School of Presidential salary".

[HeadBanger]

Jack don't know jack. This is just plain stupid.

[ChumpDumper]

I know you watched it.Nope.

[jack sommerset]

Jack don't know jack. This is just plain stupid.

I can't believe people thinks it is ok for a goverment elected official to spend hundereds of thousands of tax payers dollars on a date night! And some people think people like me are stupid for calling his ass out. The jokes on you guys. This is not what he is suppose to be doing. Especially after he lectured CEO's for using tax payer dollars for going to Vegas or a super bowl.....

[George Gervin's Afro]

I can't believe people thinks it is ok for a goverment elected official to spend hundereds of thousands of tax payers dollars on a date night! And some people think people like me are stupid for calling his ass out. The jokes on you guys. This is not what he is suppose to be doing. Especially after he lectured CEO's for using tax payer dollars for going to Vegas or a super bowl.....

So are you saying that him and his wife should never go out? Wherever he goes it is going to cost the tax payers money. So what can he do socially? Before you answer hypocrite make sure you explain why you were silent when the previous administration did the same thing..

[jack sommerset]

So are you saying that him and his wife should never go out? Wherever he goes it is going to cost the tax payers money. So what can he do socially? Before you answer hypocrite make sure you explain why you were silent when the previous administration did the same thing..

If all u want to do is be a dick to me so be it. No I am not saying or ever said he and his wife should never go out. (Chump move) There is a difference in price going to a local theater which he could have done for "date night" Instead he flys in planes,helicopters and limos for a evening on us, the tax payers.

Please find one time I defended the previous administration for spending money on a date night or a vacation Bush might have took. You can't but like alot of people here assume shit and call you names like "hypocrite" when they don't know Jack shit.

The hypocrite is Obama for lecturing the CEO's about doing the samething!

[clambake]

now now jack. what's with this silly streak?

[Blake]

If all u want to do is be a dick to me so be it. No I am not saying or ever said he and his wife should never go out. (Chump move) There is a difference in price going to a local theater which he could have done for "date night" Instead he flys in planes,helicopters and limos for a evening on us, the tax payers.

should he have flown on Southwest or taken Greyhound?


The hypocrite is Obama for lecturing the CEO's about doing the samething!

what should the President's salary and stipend be?

[ChumpDumper]

Please find one time I defended the previous administration for spending money on a date night or a vacation Bush might have took. Is there a time you criticized Bush for it?

Link, please.

[DarrinS]

Being God has its perks.

[jack sommerset]

Is there a time you criticized Bush for it?

Link, please.

Sure I have. You dig it up...

[jack sommerset]

should he have flown on Southwest or taken Greyhound?

Should not have taken it period. Like I said earlier if he really wanted to see a broadway play wait until he is in NYC.


what should the President's salary and stipend be?

In Obama's case he should not be paid. He has already put our countrry in debt more than any other President.

[ChumpDumper]

Sure I have. You dig it up...I asked you.

Where is it?

[EricB]

So Bush couldn't do it, but Barry can.

Got it.

[v2freak]

Well you would bitch if he upgraded all Presidential vehicles to hybrids at the tax payer expense so he can't please you losers.

Somehow this particular incident seems like the worst of multiple worlds, seeing as how he's spending massive amounts of tax dollars AND increasing his carbon foot print AND being hypocritical about his green stances. Or, if you want to give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe he just didn't "think it all the way through" and didn't consider what kind of environmental impact his extravagent date would have. I wouldn't condone this from anyone, least of all a "green president".

For the record I am independent and am liberal and conservative on a number of issues. For one I care a hell of a lot about the environment, however I am fiscally conservative; I'm calling them as I see them. For anyone to make excuses about this is asinine to me, but hey, to each his own.

[Blake]

Should not have taken it period. Like I said earlier if he really wanted to see a broadway play wait until he is in NYC.


so he can't ever take his wife out of town unless it's business related?

don't let anyone ever accuse you of being a romantic.


In Obama's case he should not be paid. He has already put our countrry in debt more than any other President.

Don't stop there. He shouldn't get paid for any work done after he leaves office either. Any money made after that time should be sent directly to the Treasury.

[Barry O'Bama]

Hey everybody back off. I told you people to make sacrifices not me I am the Great Barry O'Bama, I resemble King Tut man do as I say not as I do!

[jack sommerset]

so he can't ever take his wife out of town unless it's business related? Is this really hard for you to get? Me giving my opinion about how much money this guy spent on "date night' you think I am saying he can't ever take his wife out of town. Such drama! The guy spent hundreds of thousands of dollars for a "date night" on us. Let me say this one more time then I am bailing out on this conversation. If he wants to see a braodway play sooooo bad wait until he is in NYC on business. Priorities my man. He is President of the US of A. Spending this kind of our money is irresponsible. Wasteful. Arrogant. He is out of town all the time. Plenty of chances to take his wifey out on "date nights" away from DC.


don't let anyone ever accuse you of being a romantic.
If ur ideal of romance is spending other peoples money, alot of other peoples money, I don't want to be romantic. Obama getting his mack on should never cost the American people hundreds of thousand of dollars.




Don't stop there. He shouldn't get paid for any work done after he leaves office either. Any money made after that time should be sent directly to the Treasury.

I have stopped here. If you want to talk about something other than 'date night' start a new thrread.No more spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on "date nights"

[JoeChalupa]

There will be more date nights and I don't have an issue with it.

[jack sommerset]

There will be more date nights and I don't have an issue with it.

:lol It's that simple for you. Hopefully he won't be spending all sorts of crazy tax payers cash while doing it. I have a issue with that.

[George Gervin's Afro]

jack is reaching as usual.. you don't like oabama we get it.

[Blake]

:lol It's that simple for you. Hopefully he won't be spending all sorts of crazy tax payers cash while doing it. I have a issue with that.

the nature of the job requires expensive security measures.

Not sure what part of that you don't understand.

If you feel that presidents should only be allowed to enjoy themselves out of town if they also get some work done, then write your congressman, demand change to that 'policy' and vent your frustrations out to him/her about it instead of to a basketball message board.

[George Gervin's Afro]

the nature of the job requires expensive security measures.

Not sure what part of that you don't understand.

If you feel that presidents should only be allowed to enjoy themselves out of town if they also get some work done, then write your congressman, demand change to that 'policy' and vent your frustrations out to him/her about it instead of to a basketball message board.

jack suffers from the lack intellectual integrity.... not an excuse just a fact

[Blake]

here's a blogger's rough estimates on Bush's trips:


At a bare minimum, for the flights alone, Bush’s 77 vacation trips to Crawford cost us $226,072 per trip. That’s $17,407,544 so he could ride his bicycle in the woods and clear brush for the cameras.

http://trueslant.com/christopherthomas/2009/06/03/perspective-obamas-date-cost-75000-bushs-crawford-trips-cost-174-million/

[clambake]

wow, that plus 12 billion in cash that somehow vanished adds up to quite a large tab.

[jack sommerset]

the nature of the job requires expensive security measures.

Not sure what part of that you don't understand.

If you feel that presidents should only be allowed to enjoy themselves out of town if they also get some work done, then write your congressman, demand change to that 'policy' and vent your frustrations out to him/her about it instead of to a basketball message board.

:lol Fucking hypocrite!!! You are on the same message board writting about all sorts of shit other than basketball... CLASSIC!!!!!!!!!

I suggest you vent your frustrations to Kori and/or Timvp to close down the plolitical forum and all other threads that have nothing to with basketball or disipline yourself to only go to baskeball threads. Bet you can't!

I did not say he should not enjoy himself. Please tell me where I suggested that or better yet show me where I wrote that. I do give my opinion to elective officials. I also vote. I also pay my taxes. This is not just a basketball forum, it's a political forum. If you don't like it ,don't give us all the fucking opinions you have been giving us all this time. What a fucking douchebag.

[Blake]

:lol Fucking hypocrite!!! You are on the same message board writting about all sorts of shit other than basketball... CLASSIC!!!!!!!!!

I'm not the one that's frustrated and crying about Obama's date!!!!!!


I suggest you vent your frustrations to Kori and/or Timvp to close down the plolitical forum and all other threads that have nothing to with basketball or disipline yourself to only go to baskeball threads. Bet you can't!

I'm not frustrated about anything!!!!!!


I did not say he should not enjoy himself. Please tell me where I suggested that or better yet show me where I wrote that. I do give my opinion to elective officials. I also vote. I also pay my taxes. This is not just a basketball forum, it's a political forum. If you don't like it ,don't give us all the fucking opinions you have been giving us all this time. What a fucking douchebag.

You want to put restrictions on the way he enjoys himself in his leisure time. Do I really need to show you where you said that you want to restrict the way he enjoys his free time?

I was simply giving you a suggestion as to how to channel some of that anger.

If you want to take your hate of Obama out on me, feel free, although writing your congressman might be a better use of your time....

again, it was just a simple suggestion like "you need to chill the fcuk out" would be.

[ChumpDumper]

Is there a time you criticized Bush for it?

Link, please.


Sure I have.Still waiting for the link to your rabid criticism of Bush's vacation/recreation spending.

[jman3000]

From what I remember when Bush was going on his vacations, the conservatives were saying he's a wartime president and under a lot of pressure. He needs his down time to better protect our country.

[v2freak]

For anyone who is interested, this is a great example of a strawman fallacy

Person A: He is spending way too much of tax payer dollars on a date many people would consider excessive; maybe he isn't the common, everyday man that we thought he was.

Person B: Oh, so he can't take his wife out on a date eh?

[jack sommerset]

I'm not the one that's frustrated and crying about Obama's date!!!!!!



I'm not frustrated about anything!!!!!!



You want to put restrictions on the way he enjoys himself in his leisure time. Do I really need to show you where you said that you want to restrict the way he enjoys his free time?

I was simply giving you a suggestion as to how to channel some of that anger.

If you want to take your hate of Obama out on me, feel free, although writing your congressman might be a better use of your time....

again, it was just a simple suggestion like "you need to chill the fcuk out" would be.

:sleep

[ChumpDumper]

For anyone who is interested, this is a great example of a strawman fallacy

Person A: He is spending way too much of tax payer dollars on a date many people would consider excessive; maybe he isn't the common, everyday man that we thought he was.

Person B: Oh, so he can't take his wife out on a date eh?That is a big straw man.

I never thought he was a common everyday man.

[v2freak]

:lol Way to save face

[Blake]

:sleep

too bad you weren't sleeping on page 1.

You would have done yourself a favor.

[LnGrrrR]

For anyone who is interested, this is a great example of a strawman fallacy

Person A: He is spending way too much of tax payer dollars on a date many people would consider excessive; maybe he isn't the common, everyday man that we thought he was.

Person B: Oh, so he can't take his wife out on a date eh?

It isn't a strawman fallacy once your realize that A) he's the President and B) no matter where he goes, he's going to cost us a lot of money. The secret service protection, along with the vehicles required, do not come cheap.

So, if he is ever to take a date, it will of necessity cost the taxpayers a good amount of money.

The question is whether you feel he should be allowed to do so, or not.

[Blake]

hell "many people" might think that the cost of protecting former presidents is excessive.

this is just another example of the RNC trying to criticize Obama for every move he makes. I'm surprised they don't have someone watching what time he punches in to the Oval Office in the morning.

[jack sommerset]

hell "many people" might think that the cost of protecting former presidents is excessive.

this is just another example of the RNC trying to criticize Obama for every move he makes. I'm surprised they don't have someone watching what time he punches in to the Oval Office in the morning.

:lol You are on a basketball board crying about the Republican National Committee. Why don't you write ur congressmen or do something about it hypocrite. Vent your frustrations out somewhere else other than a basketball forum. You fucking cryass.:lol

[Jacob1983]

Why would you spend 73K dollars on a piranha face bitch?

[jack sommerset]

Blake...You really don't see what a hypocrite you are being. That is greatness!!! I can't wait for ur next lil cry or silly joke or tell me how I feel. Love this guy!

[clambake]

if bush would give back the 12 billion in cash, there would be more than enough money to protect obama.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol You are on a basketball board crying about the Republican National Committee. Why don't you write ur congressmen or do something about it hypocrite. Vent your frustrations out somewhere else other than a basketball forum. You fucking cryass.:lol:lol You are on a basketball board crying about the president. Why don't you write ur congressmen or do something about it hypocrite. Vent your frustrations out somewhere else other than a basketball forum. You fucking cryass.:lol

[jack sommerset]

if bush would give back the 12 billion in cash, there would be more than enough money to protect obama.

Not the way Obama goes through money. We are over a trillion dollars and counting. What is this, his 5 month in office? Soon the dollar will be called the yuan

[jack sommerset]

:lol You are on a basketball board crying about the president. Why don't you write ur congressmen or do something about it hypocrite. Vent your frustrations out somewhere else other than a basketball forum. You fucking cryass.:lol

It's called sarcasm. You should know what that is all about.

[clambake]

Not the way Obama goes through money. We are over a trillion dollars and counting. What is this, his 5 month in office? Soon the dollar will be called the yuan

but obama didn't have to kill 5K american kids to do it.

[Blake]

:lol You are on a basketball board crying about the Republican National Committee. Why don't you write ur congressmen or do something about it hypocrite. Vent your frustrations out somewhere else other than a basketball forum. You fucking cryass.:lol

naw. The difference is that I think you and the RNC are funny while you think Obama's date night is not.

Like I said before, I'm just giving you a suggestion if you really want to change things.

I don't really care if you and the RNC continue to cry.

[Blake]

Blake...You really don't see what a hypocrite you are being. That is greatness!!! I can't wait for ur next lil cry or silly joke or tell me how I feel. Love this guy!

I believe that anyone that has a problem with the way things are in the political world should write their congressman. I've never said or implied otherwise.

You aren't the idiot. Everyone else in this thread that says you are an idiot are idiots.

Love you too, in a hetero, make fun of you kind of way

[jack sommerset]

but obama didn't have to kill 5K american kids to do it.

Umm wtf are you talking about... Who killed 5,000 kids?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Umm wtf are you talking about... Who killed 5,000 kids?

Bush starting the unecssary war..dead GIs.. Some people still consider 18 and 19 yr olds as kids..

[v2freak]

It isn't a strawman fallacy once your realize that A) he's the President and B) no matter where he goes, he's going to cost us a lot of money. The secret service protection, along with the vehicles required, do not come cheap.

So, if he is ever to take a date, it will of necessity cost the taxpayers a good amount of money.

The question is whether you feel he should be allowed to do so, or not.

A.) It's still a fallacy: the opinions of the people who aren't willing to make excuses for Obama (like myself, jack, eric etc) are being misrepresented.

B.) His date can't be somewhere closer and less expensive like in, oh say, Washington DC? This is a large part of where the excessive aspect is kicking in.

C.) Not attacking you, but I find it amusing that many people who keep saying 'he is the president!!' are people who treated President Bush with no respect, or were duped into believing that Obama was "just like you and me"

[ChumpDumper]

Bush lost my respect with Iraq. Unnecessary deaths of thousands and displacement of millions do that to me.

[LnGrrrR]

A.) It's still a fallacy: the opinions of the people who aren't willing to make excuses for Obama (like myself, jack, eric etc) are being misrepresented.

B.) His date can't be somewhere closer and less expensive like in, oh say, Washington DC? This is a large part of where the excessive aspect is kicking in.

C.) Not attacking you, but I find it amusing that many people who keep saying 'he is the president!!' are people who treated President Bush with no respect, or were duped into believing that Obama was "just like you and me"

I think B) is the only one where you could possibly have an argument. I didn't see the exact details of the cash spent. Was that listed anywhere?

Note: I think alot of people aren't saying, "He's Obama so it's good! If it were Bush it would be bad!" I just think they're saying, "He's the president... if he wants to see a Broadway show... well, he's the president. He's allowed to."

Assuming he isn't doing it every week, I don't have a problem with that.

[George Gervin's Afro]

My problem with this issue is that now all of a sudden a President can't go out with his/her spouse.

Of course we have all the caveats' , 'he said this', or 'he said that', etc from the dead enders to justify bashing the guy. Please excuse me, but isn't the president working 24/7?

In other words the criticism is not based in principle rather it's based on not liking the guy. If the critcism was based on principle the same folks would have been outraged at Bush's vacation taking..the most in Presidential history and on the tax payer dime...

[Blake]

For anyone who is interested, this is a great example of a strawman fallacy

Person A: He is spending way too much of tax payer dollars on a date many people would consider excessive; maybe he isn't the common, everyday man that we thought he was.

Person B: Oh, so he can't take his wife out on a date eh?

who exactly is Person A here that says "maybe he isn't the common, everyday man we thought he was."?

you definitely have yourself a strawman there.

[jack sommerset]

My problem with this issue is that now all of a sudden a President can't go out with his/her spouse.

Come on man! Without calling names, can u please tell my why you said this. That statement is ridiculous. This has to do with the hundred of thousands of dollars he spent for a night out with his wife. He could have taken you out, his kids out, his basketball buddies out and if they spent that kind of money on a friends night out or a kids night out this would be a problem. You guys think to a president a few hundred thousand dollars is a drop in the hat. He is a elected official. This is not his fortune. This is our fortune. He is not King of England. It's a freaken shit load of money and he selfishly spent it to go to a play in NYC then back home. It just happens the guy took his wife with him. The guy makes 400,000 per year. He just spent that on one night out. Give me a break.

[v2freak]

who exactly is Person A here that says "maybe he isn't the common, everyday man we thought he was."?

you definitely have yourself a strawman there.

I don't think you know what a strawman fallacy is. Aside from his campaign being about hype and "I'm not Bush", he marketed himself as a man of the people, like Lyndon B Johnson was. (I use the term marketing strategically here)

In the event I couldn't name anyone specific who believed him to be an everyday man, it still wouldn't be a strawman because I am not misrepresenting and changing the stance of an opponent.

The points about Bush here are largely irrelevant to me. I did not like him either, Chumpdumper, but the point is people who say "Obama is the president!" apply to Bush as well. He was the leader of our country and should command respect. People who say he is an idiot are obviously mistaken. Becoming president is no easy task. Regardless of what he did, which may or may not have included trips to his ranch or starting wars, he was our president. And unlike Obama, he never claimed to be a friend of the environment. What republican is aside from maybe the Governator?


My problem with this issue is that now all of a sudden a President can't go out with his/her spouse.

Of course we have all the caveats' , 'he said this', or 'he said that', etc from the dead enders to justify bashing the guy. Please excuse me, but isn't the president working 24/7?

In other words the criticism is not based in principle rather it's based on not liking the guy. If the critcism was based on principle the same folks would have been outraged at Bush's vacation taking..the most in Presidential history and on the tax payer dime...

I would have a problem with that too. He's still a human and deserves to go out with his spouse. Too bad that's not the point here.


I think B) is the only one where you could possibly have an argument. I didn't see the exact details of the cash spent. Was that listed anywhere?

Note: I think alot of people aren't saying, "He's Obama so it's good! If it were Bush it would be bad!" I just think they're saying, "He's the president... if he wants to see a Broadway show... well, he's the president. He's allowed to."

Assuming he isn't doing it every week, I don't have a problem with that.

I think it's pretty clear that Obama-hype has swept through the nation. I see you are a Celtics fan; would it be wrong to assume you live in New England or MA in particular? I lived there myself and was surrounded by liberals; I even go to a liberal arts college where democratic fervor is at its zenith. Say what you want about the man, but President Obama to me is the most popular celebrity in the US right now.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't think you know what a strawman fallacy is. Aside from his campaign being about hype and "I'm not Bush", he marketed himself as a man of the people, like Lyndon B Johnson was. (I use the term marketing strategically here)Again, nice strawman -- I never thought he was just some dude.


In the event I couldn't name anyone specific who believed him to be an everyday man, it still wouldn't be a strawman because I am not misrepresenting and changing the stance of an opponent.:lol Ok, then it's just wrong.


The points about Bush here are largely irrelevant to me. I did not like him either, Chumpdumper, but the point is people who say "Obama is the president!" apply to Bush as well. He was the leader of our country and should command respect. People who say he is an idiot are obviously mistaken. Becoming president is no easy task. Regardless of what he did, which may or may not have included trips to his ranch or starting wars, he was our president.Bush was an idiot because of Iraq. He was our president, but he was an idiot when it came to the decision to invade Iraq and the subsequent occupation.

[Blake]

In the event I couldn't name anyone specific who believed him to be an everyday man, it still wouldn't be a strawman because I am not misrepresenting and changing the stance of an opponent.


you set up this imaginary "person A" that says this imaginary phrase that you made up in order for real person B to make this argument against him.

what is your definition of strawman? :lol

[LnGrrrR]

I think it's pretty clear that Obama-hype has swept through the nation. I see you are a Celtics fan; would it be wrong to assume you live in New England or MA in particular? I lived there myself and was surrounded by liberals; I even go to a liberal arts college where democratic fervor is at its zenith. Say what you want about the man, but President Obama to me is the most popular celebrity in the US right now.

Yes, you would be wrong, technically. I actually live in Biloxi, MS. I grew up in Lynn, MA (mostly liberal), then my family moved to Alton, NH (up until recently, Republican with strong strains of libertarian) when I was 10 or so. Then at 17, I joined the Air Force.

I've been active duty for the last ten years (well, almost... my ten year anniversary is in August), and since then I've lived down south (San Antonio, Ft Walton and now Biloxi.)

President Obama is famous, and somewhat beloved, but it's tough to not be famous and somewhat beloved as a President, especially early into a Presidency.