Ioannis Bourousis to Stay in Greece

[Summers]

Sorry for not knowing the details of signing deadlines, but if this is going to happen, it has to happen by July 1, right? Is this going to take until then? I thought someone said this would happen soonish so the Spurs had time to figure out what FAs to look at. Someone enlighten me, please.

[DPG21920]

I am not sure what the date is for signing foreign players. I know teams cannot sign FA until July 8th (when the salary cap is set), but they can negotiate July1. I am not sure if this applies to foreign players as well (obviously not, because supposedly the Spurs have offered IB a contract)

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Sorry for not knowing the details of signing deadlines, but if this is going to happen, it has to happen by July 1, right? Is this going to take until then? I thought someone said this would happen soonish so the Spurs had time to figure out what FAs to look at. Someone enlighten me, please.


As I said in the translation if he goes to Spurs he would announce it July 5th according to that report.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I am not sure what the date is for signing foreign players. I know teams cannot sign FA until July 8th (when the salary cap is set), but they can negotiate July1. I am not sure if this applies to foreign players as well (obviously not, because supposedly the Spurs have offered IB a contract)

He can know they want him and understand what type of offer he can get but Spurs cannot fax him the actual contract until July 1. It means he can have understanding of what they will offer but he cannot see the papers until July 1.

[TimDunkem]

I wouldn't be surprised if Bourousis did not end up on the Spurs, but I believe KBP. I'm crossing my fingers for Bourousis.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I wouldn't be surprised if Bourousis did not end up on the Spurs, but I believe KBP. I'm crossing my fingers for Bourousis.

Well it is say in Greece that after July 1 Popovich will try to take care of the signing in person. It seems Bourousis is the #1 priority Spurs have this summer.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Here is more on Ream Madrid issue.

http://www.talkbasket.net/news/messina-wants-velickovic-and-nesterovic-in-madrid-with-him.html

Messina wants Velickovic and Nesterovic in Madrid with him PDF Print E-mail
2009-06-18 14:43
ImageIt is a matter of time before Real Madrid announces Ettore Messina as their new coach for the next three seasons, making him the best paid coach in Europe, earning about 2 million euros per season. Messina has already started planning for next seasons and his two main targets are Velckovic and Nesterovic.

Messina wanted Velckovic since he was sitting at CSKA's bench and he still wants him now and seems ready to make a move to get him to Madrid, paying Partizan his buy-out which is estimated around 500k euros.

According to some rumours Messina would also like to work with Rasho Nesterovic again and is trying to convince him to leave NBA and return to Europe.

Other targets of Real Madrid are the Lithuanian shooting guard Rimantas Kaukenas and Giannis Bourousis, both free agents at this point, while Lazaros Papadopoulos who was on a loan is expected to return with the new coach.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

My friend in Greece said that it was said in radio that Real Madrid manager said they offered Bourousis contract and his agent and him told him they could not accept because he will be starting center for Spurs next year!

:downspin::toast:ihit:king

[loveforthegame]

Hey, that's cool. It was announced on a real madrid radio station that he'll be our starting center. Sweet.

[DPG21920]

Tune in for the season finale...
All will be answered on July 5th

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[Kill_Bill_Pana]

hey, that's cool. It was announced on a real madrid radio station that he'll be our starting center. Sweet.

wtf?

[loveforthegame]

wtf?

Oops, sorry. It was a radio station in Greece that broke this news from a friend who heard it.

[TimDunkem]

"Our", as in, the Spurs, right?

[DPG21920]

Cue Timvp's head exploding.

[DPG21920]

Can we get a v-bookie on this?

[loveforthegame]

We need a v-bookie on this for sure. One day he's signing with the Spurs. Next day he's just using the Spurs. Next day after that 5 other teams are ahead of the Spurs with better offers. Next day we hear the girlfriend of a coach who wants to remain anonymous that he's definitely signing with the Spurs.

Will it ever end?

[Streakyshooter08]

I guess all we can do is wait and see. I don't think there are a lot of better options out there. The biggest question is if and how Bourousis's play translates to the NBA. It will be interesting to see where he ends up.

[DPG21920]

I think most would be happy with a young, semi-athletic, semi-skilled starting center for ~3M per year. If IB is that, most welcome him, he seems to have some upside. What everyone is questioning are his motives and willingness to play in the NBA.

[temujin]

Oops, sorry. It was a radio station in Greece that broke this news from a friend who heard it.

A radio station from Madrid that broadcasts in Greek, specifically, but not EXCLUSIVELY, for the friends of the son of the president of the real madrid.

Madrid is buying everybody these days.
Kakà, Cristiano and now Bourousis.
Bourousis will play goalie, Kakà will be sent to the Spurs and Cristiano will play in the basketball team.

Now, the links to the Outer Circles of Uranus Colonizers.....

[Fingaroll44]

He's added a new twist to the "Jason Terry Surprise;" the kiss is misdirection.

:lol and THEN comes the genital assault

[TimDunkem]

I think most would be happy with a young, semi-athletic, semi-skilled starting center for ~3M per year. If IB is that, most welcome him, he seems to have some upside. What everyone is questioning are his motives and willingness to play in the NBA.
Just as long as he averages more than 4 rebounds ala Matt Bonner. Then it'll be a good pickup.

[ceds]

I think im just about sold on this, props for calling it so early.

This is probably going to start a war but.......

KBP

What is Vspans contract situation??

Could the spurs possibly sign him with remainingMLE money?

[DPG21920]

How classic would it be if KBP got un-pinked the same day Bourousis signs with the Spurs, then immediately starts 10 threads and gets pinked again...

[rayray2k8]

How classic would it be if KBP got un-pinked the same day Bourousis signs with the Spurs, then immediately starts 10 threads and gets pinked again...

Won't happen, but he'll stay pink. :lol

[manufan10]

How classic would it be if KBP got un-pinked the same day Bourousis signs with the Spurs, then immediately starts 10 threads and gets pinked again...

:lmao

If it happened:

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[Mr.Bottomtooth]

My friend in Greece said that it was said in radio that Real Madrid manager said they offered Bourousis contract and his agent and him told him they could not accept because he will be starting center for Spurs next year!

:downspin::toast:ihit:king


Hey, that's cool. It was announced on a real madrid radio station that he'll be our starting center. Sweet.

:tu :tu

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

We need a v-bookie on this for sure. One day he's signing with the Spurs. Next day he's just using the Spurs. Next day after that 5 other teams are ahead of the Spurs with better offers. Next day we hear the girlfriend of a coach who wants to remain anonymous that he's definitely signing with the Spurs.

Will it ever end?

It was never reported he was serious about signing with any team other than Spurs or Olympiacos. It was never reported he said he already was staying at Olympiacos or that he "would prefer to stay in Greece". Those posts saying such things were fantasies of posters here and US media bloggers and nothing more.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

A radio station from Madrid that broadcasts in Greek, specifically, but not EXCLUSIVELY, for the friends of the son of the president of the real madrid.

Madrid is buying everybody these days.
Kakà, Cristiano and now Bourousis.
Bourousis will play goalie, Kakà will be sent to the Spurs and Cristiano will play in the basketball team.

Now, the links to the Outer Circles of Uranus Colonizers.....

STOP lying. Posts like this RUIN the board.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I think im just about sold on this, props for calling it so early.

This is probably going to start a war but.......

KBP

What is Vspans contract situation??

Could the spurs possibly sign him with remainingMLE money?

Spanoulis will spend one more year in PAO for 100% sure. Then after this he will consider return to NBA. He will probably wait until after 2010 world championship and then will sign in NBA or stay with PAO. He has 3 main possibilities he considers.

1. Spurs want him to be starting SG or 6th man.

2. Knicks want him to be starting point guard.

3. PAO wants him to stay as starting point guard.


This is where he stands now. Obviously if Bourousis is in the Spurs it will be much easier for him to come to the Spurs.

[DPG21920]

Olympiacos will swoop in and grab him. Spurs have not made an official offer yet.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

http://www.bourousis.gr/index.php?option=com_contact&task=view&contact_id=1&Itemid=10

You can send messages to Bourousis about how much you want him to join the Spurs here, supposedly.

1. name
2. e-mail
3. subject

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Spanoulis will spend one more year in PAO for 100% sure. Then after this he will consider return to NBA. He will probably wait until after 2010 world championship and then will sign in NBA or stay with PAO. He has 3 main possibilities he considers.

1. Spurs want him to be starting SG or 6th man.

2. Knicks want him to be starting point guard.

3. PAO wants him to stay as starting point guard.


This is where he stands now. Obviously if Bourousis is in the Spurs it will be much easier for him to come to the Spurs.

There have been many numbers thrown around for awhile, but what do you believe the Spurs will offer Bourousis, in years and salary?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

KBP you are so close to redeeming yourself here. Don't blow it.

[DPG21920]

KBP you are so close to redeeming yourself here. Don't blow it.

He could be the goat if he would just accept our olive branch and stop acting like he is the king of 10,722,816 (July 2008 est.) people.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

http://www.bourousis.gr/index.php?option=com_contact&task=view&contact_id=1&Itemid=10

You can send messages to Bourousis about how much you want him to join the Spurs here, supposedly.

1. name
2. e-mail
3. subject

I guess his manager will read them. Bourousis English is not good.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Olympiacos will swoop in and grab him. Spurs have not made an official offer yet.

He is refusing to meet with Olympiacos owners until he has the Spurs offer after July 1. So that issue does not matter.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

There have been many numbers thrown around for awhile, but what do you believe the Spurs will offer Bourousis, in years and salary?

Reports in recent days were saying either 3 years $9 millions or 4 years 412 millions. Also it was said Bourousis was requesting 3+1 contract at least from Olympiacos.

So I take this as Spurs offer must be 3 years $9 millions guaranteed with a 4th year team option for $3 million.

[DPG21920]

He is refusing to meet with Olympiacos owners until he has the Spurs offer after July 1. So that issue does not matter.

Why would he meet with Real and not Olympiacos? Also, if what you said was true, his agent said he WILL be with the Spurs, so why meet with Olympiacos? Best Olympicacos will do is match the "offer" from the Spurs supposedly.

I am saying no one even knows if the Spurs will make him a real offer. Olympiacos already has.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Why would he meet with Real and not Olympiacos? Also, if what you said was true, his agent said he WILL be with the Spurs, so why meet with Olympiacos? Best Olympicacos will do is match the "offer" from the Spurs supposedly.

I am saying no one even knows if the Spurs will make him a real offer. Olympiacos already has.

Why? Because this has been his team for last 3 years that is why. He owes them to at least meet with them and show them what the Spurs offer will be. He has no reason to treat his team with disrespect. You expect him to act like NBA free agents do? This sort of thing and attitude of how NBA free agents act is not accepted practice in Greece.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Reports in recent days were saying either 3 years $9 millions or 4 years 412 millions. Also it was said Bourousis was requesting 3+1 contract at least from Olympiacos.

So I take this as Spurs offer must be 3 years $9 millions guaranteed with a 4th year team option for $3 million.

:tu
That would give us, I believe, about $2.8M left in the MLE.

[DPG21920]

Why? Because this has been his team for last 3 years that is why. He owes them to at least meet with them and show them what the Spurs offer will be. He has no reason to treat his team with disrespect. You expect him to act like NBA free agents do? This sort of thing and attitude of how NBA free agents act is not accepted practice in Greece.

They are disrespecting him by not giving him what he wants and what these NBA teams are offering him. Players do not owe teams anything. He has met with them multiple times already, why does he owe them more?

And didn't you say he already said he is playing with the Spurs? Is that not disrespect?

[DPG21920]

This is not adding up.

[TimDunkem]

When did Brourousis himself say he's was already a Spur?

[DPG21920]

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Tell me KBP, why is it that we hide? Why is it that when you sleep at night, you lie there wondering what could have been if you had only made different decisions. Do you sit there sipping your Chianti thinking about those you have wronged? Does your guilt consume you?

Why do you need Bourousis so badly; if you want to find the truth you must do something for me first, that is how things work. Lets us see where you post from and I give you my word, you will have your IBS.

[DPG21920]

When did Brourousis himself say he's already a Spur?

Greek radio, Real Madrid said Bourousis's manager said so.

[samikeyp]

Why? Because this has been his team for last 3 years that is why. He owes them to at least meet with them and show them what the Spurs offer will be. He has no reason to treat his team with disrespect. You expect him to act like NBA free agents do? This sort of thing and attitude of how NBA free agents act is not accepted practice in Greece.

There is a difference though, pro basketball players worth anything want to play in the NBA.

[Spursfan092120]

http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/_arquivo_hannibal_lecter-copy.jpg

Tell me KBP, why is it that we hide? Why is it that when you sleep at night, you lie there wondering what could have been if you had only made different decisions. Do you sit there sipping your Chianti thinking about those you have wronged? Does your guilt consume you?

Why do you need Bourousis so badly; if you want to find the truth you must do something for me first, that is how things work. Lets us see where you post from and I give you my word, you will have your IBS.
Irritable Bowel Syndrome?

[Spursfan092120]

When did Brourousis himself say he's was already a Spur?
His agent turned down a deal, supposedly, saying he couldn't do it because he was going to be a Spur next year. If that's the case, he might be ready to sign.

[DPG21920]

Irritable Bowel Syndrome?

Ioannis Bourousis

[DPG21920]

Man, saying what I wrote in Hannibal's voice in my head even freaked me out.

[TimDunkem]

I don't see where he's disrespecting Olympiakos.

[Spursfan092120]

Ioannis Bourousis
lol..I know...I was joking.

[timvp]

It's not going to happen. When it comes down to it, the Spurs will get outbid. It's not like they are trying to steal him from a team that is poor and will just accept a buyout. They are trying to steal him from a team that wants to compete with the NBA.

[DPG21920]

Not only that, but the Spurs might not even submit an actual offer.

[DPG21920]

lol..I know...I was joking.

I know that you know and I knew this is how it would shake out.

[TimDunkem]

It's not going to happen. When it comes down to it, the Spurs will get outbid. It's not like they are trying to steal him from a team that is poor and will just accept a buyout. They are trying to steal him from a team that wants to compete with the NBA.

"Annnnnything is possibllllllllllle!!!!"

[DPG21920]

I think people would be happy if IB signed. Just no one takes this seriously because of the boy who cried bourousis.

[rayray2k8]

http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/_arquivo_hannibal_lecter-copy.jpg

Tell me KBP, why is it that we hide? Why is it that when you sleep at night, you lie there wondering what could have been if you had only made different decisions. Do you sit there sipping your Chianti thinking about those you have wronged? Does your guilt consume you?

Why do you need Bourousis so badly; if you want to find the truth you must do something for me first, that is how things work. Lets us see where you post from and I give you my word, you will have your IBS.

:lol

[Russ]

It's not going to happen. When it comes down to it, the Spurs will get outbid. It's not like they are trying to steal him from a team that is poor and will just accept a buyout. They are trying to steal him from a team that wants to compete with the NBA.

Is this a reverse whammy? If so, count me in.:clap

[ceds]

It's not going to happen. When it comes down to it, the Spurs will get outbid. It's not like they are trying to steal him from a team that is poor and will just accept a buyout. They are trying to steal him from a team that wants to compete with the NBA.

I got this from another board but apparanly Olympiakos have cut their basketball budget as the owners are buying a 50% share of a soccer team.

In any case...KBP needs some cred

Ive been lurking these boards for years and not once have i seen a poster pull a prediction like this let alone 6 months in advance.

[DPG21920]

I got this from another board but apparanly Olympiakos have cut their basketball budget as the owners are buying a 50% share of a soccer team.

In any case...KBP needs some cred

Ive been lurking these boards for years and not once have i seen a poster pull a prediction like this let alone 6 months in advance.

Ya, but what about all of the hundreds of wrong predictions?

[samikeyp]

I got this from another board but apparanly Olympiakos have cut their basketball budget as the owners are buying a 50% share of a soccer team.

In any case...KBP needs some cred

Ive been lurking these boards for years and not once have i seen a poster pull a prediction like this let alone 6 months in advance.

You don't get credit for a prediction that hasn't come true.

[Spursfan092120]

I think if the guy really wants to play for SA, he'll play for SA.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

When did Brourousis himself say he's was already a Spur?

He did not. Just more fans making things up.

[DPG21920]

Greek radio, Real Madrid said Bourousis's manager said so.


They are disrespecting him by not giving him what he wants and what these NBA teams are offering him. Players do not owe teams anything. He has met with them multiple times already, why does he owe them more?

And didn't you say he already said he is playing with the Spurs? Is that not disrespect?


He did not. Just more fans making things up.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

There is a difference though, pro basketball players worth anything want to play in the NBA.

NBA fans that are ignorant, arrogant and still live in 1992 SAY that "pro basketball players worth anything want to play in the NBA."


It is nothing more than a joke to most European fans.

[Spursfan092120]

NBA fans that are ignorant, arrogant and still live in 1992 SAY that "pro basketball players worth anything want to play in the NBA."


It is nothing more than a joke to most European fans.
Now KBP..you've been doing so much better. Seriously, you have to admit that the NBA has the most talent of any professional basketball organization in the world. I would love to have Bourousis on our team, and I think he would be VERY helpful, but in my honest opinion, I don't think he'll be as big to the Spurs as he is to Pao.

[samikeyp]

NBA fans that are ignorant, arrogant and still live in 1992 SAY that "pro basketball players worth anything want to play in the NBA."


It is nothing more than a joke to most European fans.

They say it because its true. Any self-respecting athlete wants to test themselves against they highest level of competition. If you don't want that as an athlete, then you are a gutless coward.

Are these the same European fans that have to be banned from a game because they are not evolved enough mentally to be able to not riot over a game?

Of course being from Arkansas, you would know about being not mentally evolved.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

It's not going to happen. When it comes down to it, the Spurs will get outbid. It's not like they are trying to steal him from a team that is poor and will just accept a buyout. They are trying to steal him from a team that wants to compete with the NBA.

Where does this come from? They have never been able to even compete with Panathinaikos much less beat them. Why are they competing with NBA? They can't ever even win Greek championship much less Euroleague one.

Just because they sign NBA players like Pargo and Childress NBA fans make up so much stuff about how great they will be and how these players will "dominate". It is not true. Olympiacos can not compete for anything worth something good with average or even below average players.

Pargo in Euroleague level = terrible player

Childress in Euroleague level = average player in offense and good player in defense and that is it. He is like 3rd best small forward on his own team.

In other words what I am trying to explain is that the owners of Olympiacos are finally getting smart. They are starting to actually manage and run their club properly. They are not spending money just to spend it. They will not overpay for Bourousis just to say so. They have learned their lesson.

You have to understand no matter what they do they cannot beat PAO. They can bring Gordon and Artest and still would not have enough to beat PAO. You NBA fans can make all your jokes but you simply have no clue about how hard it is to compete against PAO every year.

I think truth is Olympiacos already gave up after this year. They had a basketball team with a $70 millions budget and still got their asses kicked in all 3 leagues by PAO. They an pay Bourousis and every player they think they can get and they will not beat PAO.

They are trying to get Hedo and Parker now and so what? PAO's roster still would be noticeable as stronger. NBA fans just don't get it. There is no magic issue for them to keep all these players. They can't beat PAO no matter if they keep them or not. It is just wasting money and they know it.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

They say it because its true. Any self-respecting athlete wants to test themselves against they highest level of competition. If you don't want that as an athlete, then you are a gutless coward.

Are these the same European fans that have to be banned from a game because they are not evolved enough mentally to be able to not riot over a game?



You are an ignorant jackass.

[samikeyp]

You are an ignorant jackass.

hey ceds and buttsr4rebounding....you wonder why Kill's_Been_Pinked gets so much shit? here you go....you disagree with him and he goes middle school and starts name calling.

Point made, case closed. :toast

[DPG21920]

KBP: I think Timvp meant that the Spurs are competing with Olympiacos, a team known for not letting players go to the NBA. They are big competition for NBA teams trying to lure foreign players. As are many clubs.

But you still never responded to how Bourousis is disrespecting the club by not meeting with them?

He has already met with them multiple times and they have not offered anything he likes, why does he owe them?

[ceds]

You don't get credit for a prediction that hasn't come true.

I dont think it matters if we end up signing him.

All i know is 6 Months ago i read a thread calling some unknown guy (Ionnis Bourousis) the spurs savior and like everyone else in this forum thought KBP was high

We can now confirm the spurs have serious interest and have made a verbal offer which he is considering. If Pop flies to Greece July 1 i think this is a done deal.

KBP might be an asshole but this prediction is impressive

[DPG21920]

I dont think it matters if we end up signing him.

All i know is 6 Months ago i read a thread calling some unknown guy (Ionnis Bourousis) the spurs savior and like everyone else in this forum thought KBP was high

We can now confirm the spurs have serious interest and have made a verbal offer which he is considering. If Pop flies to Greece July 1 i think this is a done deal.

KBP might be an asshole but this prediction is impressive

Where, there have been serious issues with all the source's credibility along with major discrepancies in the accuracy of the information.

[samikeyp]

I dont think it matters if we end up signing him.

All i know is 6 Months ago i read a thread calling some unknown guy (Ionnis Bourousis) the spurs savior and like everyone else in this forum thought KBP was high

We can now confirm the spurs have serious interest and have made a verbal offer which he is considering. If Pop flies to Greece July 1 i think this is a done deal.

KBP might be an asshole but this prediction is impressive

The prediction is not impressive....if it turns out to be true, then yes it will be.

The problem is though, if it comes true, instead of being a good sport about it, KBP is going to gloat, call people names and insult the US. He will be guilty of the same kind of behavior he accuses others of doing to him.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I got this from another board but apparanly Olympiakos have cut their basketball budget as the owners are buying a 50% share of a soccer team.

In any case...KBP needs some cred

Ive been lurking these boards for years and not once have i seen a poster pull a prediction like this let alone 6 months in advance.

I do not know if they cut the basketball budget or not. But I do know that they will be spending about $208 millions to purchase a 49% share of the soccer club as this is supposed to be a joint effort with Angelopoulos brothers and Kokkalis. They believe by all 3 billionaires sharing in the soccer transfers budget that they can then win the cup. Kokkalis is the Olympiacos chairman so he can approve this.

So yes that is affecting their transfer budget for this summer.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Ya, but what about all of the hundreds of wrong predictions?

Lies.

[samikeyp]

Lies.

Ok, lets rephrase....

Ya, but what about all of the hundreds of lies?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Now KBP..you've been doing so much better. Seriously, you have to admit that the NBA has the most talent of any professional basketball organization in the world. I would love to have Bourousis on our team, and I think he would be VERY helpful, but in my honest opinion, I don't think he'll be as big to the Spurs as he is to Pao.

This proves that you have no room to talk about NBA level compared to Euroleague. You do not even know what team Bourousis plays on. You just repeat same old phrase over and over "NBA is greatest in world". NBA is best league but it is only a little bit better than the good Euroleague clubs. NBA fans just imagine this other crap about how "NBA is million times better than Euroleague".

Anyone can just make up crap out of nothing and that is what most NBA fans do when they talk about basketball outside US.

[samikeyp]

This proves that you have no room to talk about NBA level compared to Euroleague. You do not even know what team Bourousis plays on. You just repeat same old phrase over and over "NBA is greatest in world". NBA is best league but it is only a little bit better than the good Euroleague clubs. NBA fans just imagine this other crap about how "NBA is million times better than Euroleague".

Anyone can just make up crap out of nothing and that is what most NBA fans do when they talk about basketball outside US.

Lies.


No one said it was "million times better" all that has been said is that it is better and is the highest level of competition in Basketball. Which is true.

[Spursfan092120]

This proves that you have no room to talk about NBA level compared to Euroleague. You do not even know what team Bourousis plays on. You just repeat same old phrase over and over "NBA is greatest in world". NBA is best league but it is only a little bit better than the good Euroleague clubs. NBA fans just imagine this other crap about how "NBA is million times better than Euroleague".

Anyone can just make up crap out of nothing and that is what most NBA fans do when they talk about basketball outside US.
Alright..you know what? I was trying to be nice to your sorry ass, but I'm done with it. Yet another person tries to send out an olive branch, and you refuse it..then you wonder why everyone hates you. I've stood up for you for the past few pages in this thread, even saying what you said to other people who asked for updates. I accidentally typed Pao instead of Olympiacos...get over it. I know about the guy...I was thinking about one thing and typing another. The fact is, NBA players destroyed every other country in the Olympics...especially Greece. We are the best league in the damn world...everyone knows it, including you. You just won't admit it because your ego is as inflated as your date was last night, Jeff. Get over yourself. How's the weather in Mountain Home Arkansas? Or are you back in Houston now?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

hey ceds and buttsr4rebounding....you wonder why Kill's_Been_Pinked gets so much shit? here you go....you disagree with him and he goes middle school and starts name calling.

Point made, case closed. :toast

WRONG. You keep insisting made up nonsense. You keep telling the board that any player would want to play in NBA or he is a gutless coward and other shit like this. And then you make up a lie that if anyone disagreed with that then they must be a liar.

And you accuse me of being rude and stupid. Only a person that is ignorant of everything in the world could be as foolish as you.

[samikeyp]

WRONG. You keep insisting made up nonsense. You keep telling the board that any player would want to play in NBA or he is a gutless coward and other shit like this. And then you make up a lie that if anyone disagreed with that then they must be a liar.

And you accuse me of being rude and stupid. Only a person that is ignorant of everything in the world could be as foolish as you.

lies.

I said if anyone disagreed with you, you called them names...which you did. I did not call you rude or stupid, I said you were a bad sport.

:toast

[DPG21920]

KBP, if Bourousis does not come to the Spurs this year, will you owe everyone an apology for lies?

[ceds]

hey ceds and buttsr4rebounding....you wonder why Kill's_Been_Pinked gets so much shit? here you go....you disagree with him and he goes middle school and starts name calling.

Point made, case closed. :toast

Well you threw out the bait with

"Of course being from Arkansas, you would know about being not mentally evolved"

Anyway, He throws tantrums and cant handle peeps not accepting his pov....I get that ...For the most part though i think its a good comic relief, and he does take alot of shit from ppl on this board

I do like reading his posts though...KPB brings alot of basketball info to the forum and usally backs it up with links and stats. He contributes more then most on here

[yavozerb]

KBP, if Bourousis does not come to the Spurs this year, will you owe everyone an apology for lies?

But if he does come....:lmao

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

KBP: I think Timvp meant that the Spurs are competing with Olympiacos, a team known for not letting players go to the NBA. They are big competition for NBA teams trying to lure foreign players. As are many clubs.

But you still never responded to how Bourousis is disrespecting the club by not meeting with them?

He has already met with them multiple times and they have not offered anything he likes, why does he owe them?

In NBA the practice is players and agents sign with whatever team they want and they get the contract and sign it. This is NOT common practice in Greece. In Greece the player after he gets a contract even if he wants to sign it and leave his current team he needs to meet with his current team and discuss it.

He needs to talk with his club about it. This is considered standard behavior and to be professional attitude and actions. Of course American players are excused from this in Greece because they NEVER do so. The Greek teams gave up long ago trying to get them to act so properly. But other European players and certainly all Greek players are expected to show decent respect to their clubs.

You are expected to explain everything to your club and all of that even if you are leaving. It is not like NBA where no one has to show any manners.

[DPG21920]

Well you threw out the bait with

"Of course being from Arkansas, you would know about being not mentally evolved"

Anyway, He throws tantrums and cant handle peeps not accepting his pov....I get that ...For the most part though i think its a good comic relief, and he does take alot of shit from ppl on this board

I do like reading his posts though...KPB brings alot of basketball info to the forum and usally backs it up with links and stats. He contributes more then most on here

Once again, where? He never post links to valid sources and never uses stats.

[DPG21920]

In NBA the practice is players and agents sign with whatever team they want and they get the contract and sign it. This is NOT common practice in Greece. In Greece the player after he gets a contract even if he wants to sign it and leave his current team he needs to meet with his current team and discuss it.

He needs to talk with his club about it. This is considered standard behavior and to be professional attitude and actions. Of course American players are excused from this in Greece because they NEVER do so. The Greek teams gave up long ago trying to get them to act so properly. But other European players and certainly all Greek players are expected to show decent respect to their clubs.

You are expected to explain everything to your club and all of that even if you are leaving. It is not like NBA where no one has to show any manners.

Ok, I agree with that, but did he not do this in the first 2 meetings?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

The prediction is not impressive....if it turns out to be true, then yes it will be.

The problem is though, if it comes true, instead of being a good sport about it, KBP is going to gloat, call people names and insult the US. He will be guilty of the same kind of behavior he accuses others of doing to him.

What? Never. I am not immature like you.

[samikeyp]

Well you threw out the bait with

"Of course being from Arkansas, you would know about being not mentally evolved"

Anyway, He throws tantrums and cant handle peeps not accepting his pov....I get that ...For the most part though i think its a good comic relief, and he does take alot of shit from ppl on this board

I do like reading his posts though...KPB brings alot of basketball info to the forum and usally backs it up with links and stats. He contributes more then most on here

Actually the bait was thrown out a ong time ago and not just by me. :)

He is absolutely good comic relief and I treat him as such. He does get a lot of shit but to be fair, he brings most of it on himself.

I don't mind the hoops knowledge but its the "all NBA fans are this" or "all US people are that" which bothers me. You saw earlier and not just with me, if you disagree with him, he calls you names and says you lie. Like I said, he brings it on himself.

[DPG21920]

But if he does come....:lmao

If he does come everyone will be pleasantly surprised and say good job KBP. That does not excuse many of the other lies, but at least it is a step in the right direction.

[ceds]

Once again, where? He never post links to valid sources and never uses stats.

I can give you links but it seems to be accepted on here that all media that is greek cannot be trusted.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Ok, lets rephrase....

Ya, but what about all of the hundreds of lies?

I mean lies you say about me.

[Spursfan092120]

Actually the bait was thrown out a ong time ago and not just by me. :)

He is absolutely good comic relief and I treat him as such. He does get a lot of shit but to be fair, he brings most of it on himself.

I don't mind the hoops knowledge but its the "all NBA fans are this" or "all US people are that" which bothers me. You saw earlier and not just with me, if you disagree with him, he calls you names and says you lie. Like I said, he brings it on himself.
:tu

[DPG21920]

What? Never. I am not immature like you.

You do not want us to post links of the threads you started when V-Span won MVP do you? You gloated and were pretty rude to some people. So I would not say "never" if I were you.

[yavozerb]

Here is the latest update and news.

http://www.superbasket.gr/?c=136&a=113770

Nowhere does it say the crap from Bruno's post that he has signed with Olympiacos. It says Olympiacos managers keep meeting with him and want badly to keep him. It does NOT say he signed with Olympiacos or that he "used Spurs to get more money".

Also this one

http://www.contra.gr/Basketball/Hellas/A1Basket/Olympiacos/241502.html

This says he is very aware of several NBA offers and he does even have official terms from Olympiacos until the next meeting. Again does not say anything about he signed with Olympiacos or used Spurs to get more money.

http://www.sportnet.gr/report.aspx?id=190064

This says that Olympiacos wants to do whatever they can to sign him and keep him. It says NOTHING about he signed with them or used Spurs to get more money. It also says the Spurs HAVE OFFERED him a 4 year deal and he has NOT decided to deny it yet.


There has NOT been any decision that he will stay with Olympiacos and NOTHING like that has been announced yet. Until it says he "signed with Olympiacos" he has NOT signed with them. Bruno is always posting CRAP and making up what European articles says.

The only issue that seems to be coming up is that he is getting full MLE type money offer from Olympiacos for 4 years and less from Spurs at about $4 million a year for 4 years. The Spurs are not offering him full MLE because he does not know how to speak English. They would offer full MLE if he did but because he does not have lowered the offer to him because they are worried it could be a problem.

The dude lately has been throwing out his source of info and still gets stepped on...Credible or not, they are source info.

[samikeyp]

What? Never. I am not immature like you.

True....you're worse. :)

[samikeyp]

I mean lies you say about me.

No more so than the lies you have said.

[DPG21920]

I can give you links but it seems to be accepted on here that all media that is greek cannot be trusted.

He links to other message boards and blogs by posters like you and I. That is not credible, and yes, some European media is not very reliable.

[Spursfan092120]

I can give you links but it seems to be accepted on here that all media that is greek cannot be trusted.
over exaggeration. No one ever said that all greek media cannot be trusted. We just said that until someone in the NBA says the guy is playing for the NBA, I'm not going to believe it. That would be like a Japanese baseball team saying a Japanese player is playing for an MLB team, without the MLB team even saying it...just doesn't make sense.

[samikeyp]

The dude lately has been throwing out his source of info and still gets stepped on...Credible or not, they are source info.

yeah, he lost me at "V-Span is better than Deron Williams or Tony Parker"

[DPG21920]

The dude lately has been throwing out his source of info and still gets stepped on...Credible or not, they are source info.

Lately he has been posting links, but it does not matter unless it is credible. No one would say anything if he posted links after things he said as long as he acknowledged that you should take it as speculation, not fact.

Then if he was not rude when people questioned him, that would help.

[ChumpDumper]

How could an NBA possibly outbid all the billionaire Greek owners with their offers of no taxes and houses and cars and maids and whores and personal wipers of ass?

[yavozerb]

Its funny cause people post stuff from hoopsworld and other shady sites, would you call them credible since they get maybe a quarter of their reports right?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Lies.


No one said it was "million times better" all that has been said is that it is better and is the highest level of competition in Basketball. Which is true.

No it is not. You keep making up things that are exaggerations. ALL NBA fans ALL NBA fans take ESPN and Stern hype as "facts". It is like you cannot even form your own opinions.

Truth, the truth is that the NBA playoffs are serious and good. That is debatable. First round NBA playoffs not as high level as Euroleague final four. Never, nope, not at all. Second round of NBA playoffs is close but not quite as good as Euroleagie final four. Conference finals and finals of NBA is better than Euroleague final four.

NBA regular season is like a complete POS compared to the Euroleague final four level. Out of this NBA fans just say made up things like "NBA is obviously way better than Euroleague and it is not close".

You NEVER see a NBA fan make true statement like "NBA is better but Euroleague final four is pretty good and certainly much better than NBA regular season" No never. And if anyone was to say it then they are laughed made fun of and called names by the "expert" NBA fans that are not even knowledgeable about basketball.

All in this forum you see how the foreign fans know NBA, other leagues, NCAA, FIBA but what do NBA fans here know? They know NBA and not a damn thing about any other basketball. But they are always sure to tell off others about how they know it all and are always right. Even if many members tell them they are wrong they just tell them to "fuck off" and other things like this or "get the fuck out of this board USA USA USA"

Do you actually think that with the posts in these forums NBA fans ever look like they know even the most basic things about basketball? Let me tell you they do not.

[DPG21920]

Its funny cause people post stuff from hoopsworld and other shady sites, would you call them credible since they get maybe a quarter of their reports right?

Nope. You see everyone here, even in the titles place a warning saying "By the way, this is from Hoopsworld, so take it for what it is worth".

Almost every single time. No one minds KBP posting the info that he does, that is a good thing. We mind the lies about the sources, the attitude and the over exaggerations.

[Spursfan092120]

yeah, he lost me at "V-Span is better than Deron Williams or Tony Parker"
LMAO..that quote was in my sig for a LONG time..lol

[timvp]

Where does this come from? They have never been able to even compete with Panathinaikos much less beat them. Why are they competing with NBA? They can't ever even win Greek championship much less Euroleague one.

Just because they sign NBA players like Pargo and Childress NBA fans make up so much stuff about how great they will be and how these players will "dominate". It is not true. Olympiacos can not compete for anything worth something good with average or even below average players.

Pargo in Euroleague level = terrible player

Childress in Euroleague level = average player in offense and good player in defense and that is it. He is like 3rd best small forward on his own team.

In other words what I am trying to explain is that the owners of Olympiacos are finally getting smart. They are starting to actually manage and run their club properly. They are not spending money just to spend it. They will not overpay for Bourousis just to say so. They have learned their lesson.

You have to understand no matter what they do they cannot beat PAO. They can bring Gordon and Artest and still would not have enough to beat PAO. You NBA fans can make all your jokes but you simply have no clue about how hard it is to compete against PAO every year.

I think truth is Olympiacos already gave up after this year. They had a basketball team with a $70 millions budget and still got their asses kicked in all 3 leagues by PAO. They an pay Bourousis and every player they think they can get and they will not beat PAO.

They are trying to get Hedo and Parker now and so what? PAO's roster still would be noticeable as stronger. NBA fans just don't get it. There is no magic issue for them to keep all these players. They can't beat PAO no matter if they keep them or not. It is just wasting money and they know it.

Compete as in sign NBA players, not compete as in actually beating an NBA team on the court.

And :rolleyes @ your homer love for PAO. I couldn't care less what happens in some scrub league. According to you, I'm sure the Spurs could be purchased by that greek club and PAO would still beat them. They haves not chances to beat PAO!

Bottomline is that if it comes down to Holt versus some greek mythological owner who celebrated in his overbidding for Josh Childress, Holt isn't the one that is going to win that war.

[DPG21920]

KBP, many have said similar things, but you are not comparing apples to apples. The regular season means much more in Europe because it is shorter. Of course the quality/excitement of the games won't match the Euro Final Four.

That is not the point. Everyone knows that when the NBA teams play their best, when you compare the talent from top to bottom, it is not even close, the NBA is better. You cannot compare the best part of Euro games to the worst in the NBA. You have say: "when both leagues are at their best, which is better"?

You can argue about other things like how fun they are to watch, which league is more appealing, which league is run better..., but if you are going to compare the leagues talent and skill, you have to compare the best of both to each other.

[yavozerb]

Definatly not defending KBP's attitude and manners on line cause they are pretty bad. But, he has gotten better on posting links about his info and they actually appreciated since most of us do not post overseas info.

[tp2021]

He should stick to posting links then, and shut his big mouth.

[rayray2k8]

He did not. Just more fans making things up.

Motherfuc-.. YOU were the one that said he was coming!!!


So much for getting unpinked...
Clutch as ever Kill's_Been_Pinked. :lmao

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Alright..you know what? I was trying to be nice to your sorry ass, but I'm done with it. Yet another person tries to send out an olive branch, and you refuse it..then you wonder why everyone hates you. I've stood up for you for the past few pages in this thread, even saying what you said to other people who asked for updates. I accidentally typed Pao instead of Olympiacos...get over it. I know about the guy...I was thinking about one thing and typing another. The fact is, NBA players destroyed every other country in the Olympics...especially Greece. We are the best league in the damn world...everyone knows it, including you.

Yes Redeem team is the best team at 2008 Olympics but you cannot even make mildly intelligent argument and instead you make up shit and nonsense. US "destroyed" every other country? Hmm, they best Spain with a 17 year old point guard by 11 points. It was 4 point game with 2 minutes left with a 17 year old point guard.

They beat Greece by 23 points in non elimination game which everyone knows European teams NEVER play full in non elimination game. If you do not believe it then check game 1 versus Spain 37 points win and game 2 without Calderon was 11 points win.

European clubs NEVER play all out before elimination rounds. Anyway they Greece by 23 points WTF is your point?

There is not a team in entire NBA that could stay within 23 points of Redeem team. Spurs would be lucky to stay within 40 points of them. These are facts to even the most basic mind but to you it means = NBA is way better than Euroleague.

Your level of logic is very poor and it is wrong. First Euroleague is not any team from any country. Second no NBA club could even come close to beating Redeem Team. Redeem team does not = NBA. No matter how many times you make up that lie it is still not true. Name me one NBA team that will stay within 20 points of them and keep in mind you cannot name Lakers because they will not have Kobe on their team and so forth.

Also this NBA is better than Europe crap........you get Redeem Team versus best players not even from Europe but just from eastern Europe and they will kick the crap out of Redeem team. Forget Argentina and Spain and their NBA players. Just take Greece, Croatia, Serbia, Lithuania and all their Euroleague players, take the best 12 from those countries and that plays just in Euroleague and they would "destroy" Redeem team rather easily and without much trouble at all.

But of course NBA fans will educate in this forum how France has the gerates players and only them or Spain could compete in NBA. When there are teams like Greece that could make just themselves 2 whole rosters that could crush an a team from France. But no you say that becasue France has some players in NBA they are so great in FIBA.

There is no end to the bull shit that is said in these forums about game of basketball. You can have all the NBA discussions and fans from anywhere can have them also but the second you talk about foreign basketball or players the typical NBA fan becomes a racist and stupid asshole for no reason and has no understanding of the issue and is always wrong every time.

I see how Bruno and Mountainballer are considered experts in this forum on "international basketball" when they are both wrong on just about everything they ever say. If they have ever seen a foreign game it would be a shock. But they are given kudos here and others are called things like "Euro trash". It is racist to call an American ignorant for saying such things but it is friendly to call a European "Euro scum" or "Euro trash". Not everyone is a mental midget and stop getting so upset just because you are reminded of it sometimes.

[ceds]

Actually the bait was thrown out a ong time ago and not just by me. :)

He is absolutely good comic relief and I treat him as such. He does get a lot of shit but to be fair, he brings most of it on himself.

I don't mind the hoops knowledge but its the "all NBA fans are this" or "all US people are that" which bothers me. You saw earlier and not just with me, if you disagree with him, he calls you names and says you lie. Like I said, he brings it on himself.

Yeah he brings it on himself and he's also provoked in just about every thread

As i said before at least he contributes to the forum and provides insight on international ball. To me he is 1000 x better then posters like sequ and ducks who just waste bandwith

[ChumpDumper]

Its funny cause people post stuff from hoopsworld and other shady sites, would you call them credible since they get maybe a quarter of their reports right?They have been pointed out as liars just as the Greek media has. Neither enjoys a great reputation here.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Ok, I agree with that, but did he not do this in the first 2 meetings?

No he has not as far as I know.

[samikeyp]

LMAO..that quote was in my sig for a LONG time..lol

I know...that is where I stole it from. :)

KPB...overall, playoffs, regular season everything, the leagues as a whole...which league is better, NBA or Euroleague?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Actually the bait was thrown out a ong time ago and not just by me. :)

He is absolutely good comic relief and I treat him as such. He does get a lot of shit but to be fair, he brings most of it on himself.

I don't mind the hoops knowledge but its the "all NBA fans are this" or "all US people are that" which bothers me. You saw earlier and not just with me, if you disagree with him, he calls you names and says you lie. Like I said, he brings it on himself.

Lies. If you make up stupid crap and insult me for no reason is what you meant to say.

[samikeyp]

Lies. If you make up stupid crap and insult me for no reason is what you meant to say.

Lies. I meant what I said and said what I meant.

-Horton

:)

[tp2021]

I never really gave a shit about the "hoopla" KBP causes. But recently, he's been a real douchebag.

[rayray2k8]

Yes Redeem team is the best team at 2008 Olympics but you cannot even make mildly intelligent argument and instead you make up shit and nonsense. US "destroyed" every other country? Hmm, they best Spain with a 17 year old point guard by 11 points. It was 4 point game with 2 minutes left with a 17 year old point guard.

They beat Greece by 23 points in non elimination game which everyone knows European teams NEVER play full in non elimination game. If you do not believe it then check game 1 versus Spain 37 points win and game 2 without Calderon was 11 points win.

European clubs NEVER play all out before elimination rounds. Anyway they Greece by 23 points WTF is your point?

There is not a team in entire NBA that could stay within 23 points of Redeem team. Spurs would be lucky to stay within 40 points of them. These are facts to even the most basic mind but to you it means = NBA is way better than Euroleague.

Your level of logic is very poor and it is wrong. First Euroleague is not any team from any country. Second no NBA club could even come close to beating Redeem Team. Redeem team does not = NBA. No matter how many times you make up that lie it is still not true. Name me one NBA team that will stay within 20 points of them and keep in mind you cannot name Lakers because they will not have Kobe on their team and so forth.

Also this NBA is better than Europe crap........you get Redeem Team versus best players not even from Europe but just from eastern Europe and they will kick the crap out of Redeem team. Forget Argentina and Spain and their NBA players. Just take Greece, Croatia, Serbia, Lithuania and all their Euroleague players, take the best 12 from those countries and that plays just in Euroleague and they would "destroy" Redeem team rather easily and without much trouble at all.

But of course NBA fans will educate in this forum how France has the gerates players and only them or Spain could compete in NBA. When there are teams like Greece that could make just themselves 2 whole rosters that could crush an a team from France. But no you say that becasue France has some players in NBA they are so great in FIBA.

There is no end to the bull shit that is said in these forums about game of basketball. You can have all the NBA discussions and fans from anywhere can have them also but the second you talk about foreign basketball or players the typical NBA fan becomes a racist and stupid asshole for no reason and has no understanding of the issue and is always wrong every time.

I see how Bruno and Mountainballer are considered experts in this forum on "international basketball" when they are both wrong on just about everything they ever say. If they have ever seen a foreign game it would be a shock. But they are given kudos here and others are called things like "Euro trash". It is racist to call an American ignorant for saying such things but it is friendly to call a European "Euro scum" or "Euro trash". Not everyone is a mental midget and stop getting so upset just because you are reminded of it sometimes.

Now we all know you are mentally retarded. :lmao
I bet I could whip your ass in real life. :tu
So what's it gonna be? "Lies, my grandma would kill you without lifting finger."
"You are ignorant, I could drop kick you with me trying"?

[ceds]

He links to other message boards and blogs by posters like you and I. That is not credible, and yes, some European media is not very reliable.


Look, there have been a number a greek news reports indicating the spurs have serious interest in Bourousis and have made a verbal offer. They also state nothing formal can happen until July 1. Now you might not trust greek media but given pop recently watched the guy play in the final 4 a couple weeks ago i buy it.

Here you go...i took all these links from another board.

Greek news link comfirming the spurs have made a verbal offer:
http://www.sportnet.gr/report.aspx?id=190650

and another one confirming the spur interest:
http://www.goalday.gr/article.asp?catid=10600&subid=2&tag=7759&pubid=3013382


The following from a papr called :Fos" which is apparantly the authority on all things Olympiakos

Re cutting the team basketball budget
http://www.contra.gr/pops/news_large.aspx?paper=fos&date=13062009

Concern over Bouroussis & Printezis...
http://www.contra.gr/pops/news_large.aspx?paper=fos&date=14062009

[Vic Petro]

Seriously if you think a Euroleague All Star Team would beat an NBA All Star Team, you have tzaziki in your brain.

[Bruno]

http://www.sportaction.gr/document.php?category_id=31&document_id=132568

Oly and Bourousis' agent have had another meeting today. They talked during 3 and a half hours. Numbers given in this article are that Bourousis wants €2M per year while Oly offers €1.2M per year. Astmosphere around negotiations is very good and there will maybe have a new meeting between Oly and Bourousis' agent to reach an agreement.

[samikeyp]

They beat Greece by 23 points in non elimination game which everyone knows European teams NEVER play full in non elimination game. If you do not believe it then check game 1 versus Spain 37 points win and game 2 without Calderon was 11 points win.

Well there is a problem right there.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Compete as in sign NBA players, not compete as in actually beating an NBA team on the court.

And :rolleyes @ your homer love for PAO. I couldn't care less what happens in some scrub league. According to you, I'm sure the Spurs could be purchased by that greek club and PAO would still beat them. They haves not chances to beat PAO!

Bottomline is that if it comes down to Holt versus some greek mythological owner who celebrated in his overbidding for Josh Childress, Holt isn't the one that is going to win that war.

Why do you not listen to someone trying to explain the situation? of course Olympiacos acn outbid the Spurs. There is no CBA in European basketball they can spend whatever they want. Also they can probably buy the Spurs owner over 10-12 times if not more with the money they have.

But that is not the point. They do not need Bourousis. Do you understand that? He is not needed in the roster and having him or not having him will make no difference in beating PAO. They even said they consider him a luxury signing. They don't need him so they will pay him a certain amount and that is it.

You brag that you do "follow a scrub league" well then maybe you do not know as well as you think you do. If you knew about it you would know that Olympiacos has Vujcic, Sofo, Erceg, Vougioukas, Glyniadakis, Mavrokefalidis already in center position.

Probably any of them could make it to the NBA and Glyniadakis for sure would be one of the best centers in the NBA if he ever got a fair chance. But yet you make it sound like they must keep Bourousis. They don't even need him. He is a luxury player and as long as he does not go to the rival PAO or to another Euroleague club like Real then there is no reason to pay him a huge salary to keep him. They don't have to worry about the Spurs. if he goes to the Spurs it does not affect them and he cannot help another team beat them in Greek league or Euroleague.

Besides not needing him they have REAL needs like a point guard that they need with great desperation. Or a shooting guard with size that they need very badly. They will certainly not stand a chance in hell of winning shit next year if they keep Bourousis and do not fix those problems. But you make it sound like the only they care about is making splash signings.

They have tried that for 2 years in a row and it does not work. They need to make the roster moves that are needed. So they could actually have a chance of winning. They could win Euroleague without having to play PAO so it is possible if they made smart moves. They do not even need Bourousis he is probably #4 most important issue for them. #1 is a point guard, #2 is a SG and #3 is keeping Printezis who they need much more because they do not have another PF.

[objective]

http://www.sportaction.gr/document.php?category_id=31&document_id=132568

Oly and Bourousis' agent have had another meeting today. They talked during 3 and a half hours. Numbers given in this article are that Bourousis wants €2M per year while Oly offers €1.2M per year. Astmosphere around negotiations is very good and there will maybe have a new meeting between Oly and Bourousis' agent to reach an agreement.

No!

NO!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

[ChumpDumper]

Probably any of them could make it to the NBA and Glyniadakis for sure would be one of the best centers in the NBA if he ever got a fair chance:lmao

Dude averaged 15 and 6 in his best year in the D-League. He could maybe play in the NBA, but one of the best centers?

No.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Seriously if you think a Euroleague All Star Team would beat an NBA All Star Team, you have tzaziki in your brain.

WTF? I said take the 12 best players from Lithuania, Serbia, Croatia, Greece and only if they play in Euroleague. Take that roster and put them against Redeem team.

I gurantee they will beat the Redeem Team. It would be a roster probably twice as good as any Spain or Argentina has ever had. If you really know basketball and really had knowledge of it you would already be aware of that.

The Redeem Team can and should beat any other country yes. But against the best eastern European countries together? They would be outmatched and those countries would not even need to bring their NBA players. You could even throw in some Slovenian non NBA players.

[Vic Petro]

Also, Sofoklis S. could not make it in the NBA. In fact, he sucks.

[samikeyp]

WTF? I said take the 12 best players from Lithuania, Serbia, Croatia, Greece and only if they play in Euroleague. Take that roster and put them against Redeem team.

I gurantee they will beat the Redeem Team. It would be a roster probably twice as good as any Spain or Argentina has ever had. If you really know basketball and really had knowledge of it you would already be aware of that.

The Redeem Team can and should beat any other country yes. But against the best eastern European countries together? They would be outmatched and those countries would not even need to bring their NBA players. You could even throw in some Slovenian non NBA players.

Redeem team by 15

If you allow the NBA's 12 best (since you are letting Euroleague do that) and give both teams equal time to prepare...

NBA by 20

[samikeyp]

BTW....why is it arrogant if I say the redeem team would win but its not arrogant for you to guarantee that the Euro team would win?

Oh and KBP...you still haven't answered my question.

Overall, which league is better, NBA or Euro.

[Vic Petro]

WTF? I said take the 12 best players from Lithuania, Serbia, Croatia, Greece and only if they play in Euroleague. Take that roster and put them against Redeem team.

I gurantee they will beat the Redeem Team. It would be a roster probably twice as good as any Spain or Argentina has ever had. If you really know basketball and really had knowledge of it you would already be aware of that.

The Redeem Team can and should beat any other country yes. But against the best eastern European countries together? They would be outmatched and those countries would not even need to bring their NBA players. You could even throw in some Slovenian non NBA players.

But the Redeem Team was not the 12 best players from the US. If you take the 12 best players from the US, then the 12 best players from Europe. Give each team 4 weeks to practice together and bill it as the true Championship of the world. The US would not lose.

[DPG21920]

Look, there have been a number a greek news reports indicating the spurs have serious interest in Bourousis and have made a verbal offer. They also state nothing formal can happen until July 1. Now you might not trust greek media but given pop recently watched the guy play in the final 4 a couple weeks ago i buy it.

Here you go...i took all these links from another board.

Greek news link comfirming the spurs have made a verbal offer:
http://www.sportnet.gr/report.aspx?id=190650

and another one confirming the spur interest:
http://www.goalday.gr/article.asp?catid=10600&subid=2&tag=7759&pubid=3013382


The following from a papr called :Fos" which is apparantly the authority on all things Olympiakos

Re cutting the team basketball budget
http://www.contra.gr/pops/news_large.aspx?paper=fos&date=13062009

Concern over Bouroussis & Printezis...
http://www.contra.gr/pops/news_large.aspx?paper=fos&date=14062009

Yes, but once again. look at how the information varies from one report to the next. There is absolutely no consistency and the numbers and facts change daily from report to report. That is why the credibility comes into question.

Then when you move from facts to logic, it becomes even worse.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

:lmao

Dude averaged 15 and 6 in his best year in the D-League. He could maybe play in the NBA, but one of the best centers?

No.

Again more ignorance and US NBA fan bull shit. Glyniadakis is much better than most NBA centers. You have some kind of brain block and mental disorder that you can't think for yourself. Spanoulis and Glyniadakis and also Fotsis are Greek players that went to the NBA and didn't get playing time for various issues.

But all 3 of them could easily play and be very good players in the NBA. And you arguing it does not mean shit. And them not getting much playing time as a foreign rookie does not mean shit either and if you had a brain you would know that. I am sure some Greek players like Sofo for example can make the NBA and I am sure would truly suck and be just like a 10-15 man level player and there are some others that would be the same.

But Fotsis is a serious serious player and would be a prize for NBA teams if he got a chance. Glyniadakis is for sure better than most NBA centers. Spanoulis...........if he had any coach in NBA other than Van Gundy he would be considered a better point guard than Parker is.

You are so smart that you would have been telling people off and laughing at them if they said maybe Jermaine O'Neal or any number of players could play but there coach refused them a chance. And don't give me the bull shit racist American only crap either. Petrovich was benched and not played in Portland for 2 years then got a chance in the Nets and was all NBA. NBA fans were making fun of him, calling him names saying he sucked when he was in Portland. Spanoulis would be just the same only he could actually be first team all NBA if he got the right chance.

And just because some arrogant person like you that has never even seen these players play says different does not change anything. I see over and over in this board this same stupid crap. Glynidakis is a damn good freaking player and he is far better than any Spurs center since The Admiral.

[DPG21920]

What do you say about Bruno's post, KBP? It seems he is not so confident that he will be a Spur. It seems to imply that if Real matches what he is asking, he will be with Real.

[ChumpDumper]

Again more ignorance and US NBA fan bull shit. Glyniadakis is much better than most NBA centers. You have some kind of brain block and mental disorder that you can't think for yourself. Spanoulis and Glyniadakis and also Fotsis are Greek players that went to the NBA and didn't get playing time for various issues.

But all 3 of them could easily play and be very good players in the NBA. And you arguing it does not mean shit. And them not getting much playing time as a foreign rookie does not mean shit either and if you had a brain you would know that. I am sure some Greek players like Sofo for example can make the NBA and I am sure would truly suck and be just like a 10-15 man level player and there are some others that would be the same.

But Fotsis is a serious serious player and would be a prize for NBA teams if he got a chance. Glyniadakis is for sure better than most NBA centers. Spanoulis...........if he had any coach in NBA other than Van Gundy he would be considered a better point guard than Parker is.

You are so smart that you would have been telling people off and laughing at them if they said maybe Jermaine O'Neal or any number of players could play but there coach refused them a chance. And don't give me the bull shit racist American only crap either. Petrovich was benched and not played in Portland for 2 years then got a chance in the Nets and was all NBA. NBA fans were making fun of him, calling him names saying he sucked when he was in Portland. Spanoulis would be just the same only he could actually be first team all NBA if he got the right chance.

And just because some arrogant person like you that has never even seen these players play says different does not change anything. I see over and over in this board this same stupid crap. Glynidakis is a damn good freaking player and he is far better than any Spurs center since The Admiral.He's ok. I watched him play a lot in the D-League. I mentioned him more than once as a potential signing for the Spurs -- you can look that up. He reminded me of Rasho when the Spurs fattened him up to play against Shaq. Skilled and slow.

He wouldn't be one of the best centers in the NBA, that's just stupid. He could play in the league like the other players you mentioned, but you have no objectivity when it comes to Greek players. It's the same crap over and over.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Also, Sofoklis S. could not make it in the NBA. In fact, he sucks.

I said make it to the NBA. Stop twisting the words of others.

[Vic Petro]

Again more ignorance and US NBA fan bull shit. Glyniadakis is much better than most NBA centers. You have some kind of brain block and mental disorder that you can't think for yourself. Spanoulis and Glyniadakis and also Fotsis are Greek players that went to the NBA and didn't get playing time for various issues.

But all 3 of them could easily play and be very good players in the NBA. And you arguing it does not mean shit. And them not getting much playing time as a foreign rookie does not mean shit either and if you had a brain you would know that. I am sure some Greek players like Sofo for example can make the NBA and I am sure would truly suck and be just like a 10-15 man level player and there are some others that would be the same.

But Fotsis is a serious serious player and would be a prize for NBA teams if he got a chance. Glyniadakis is for sure better than most NBA centers. Spanoulis...........if he had any coach in NBA other than Van Gundy he would be considered a better point guard than Parker is.

You are so smart that you would have been telling people off and laughing at them if they said maybe Jermaine O'Neal or any number of players could play but there coach refused them a chance. And don't give me the bull shit racist American only crap either. Petrovich was benched and not played in Portland for 2 years then got a chance in the Nets and was all NBA. NBA fans were making fun of him, calling him names saying he sucked when he was in Portland. Spanoulis would be just the same only he could actually be first team all NBA if he got the right chance.

And just because some arrogant person like you that has never even seen these players play says different does not change anything. I see over and over in this board this same stupid crap. Glynidakis is a damn good freaking player and he is far better than any Spurs center since The Admiral.

If Spanoulis got a chance he's be 1st team All NBA? So he's better than Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant and Chris Paul (2nd Team).

Riiiiigggggggghhhhhhhhttttttttt.

[Vic Petro]

I said make it to the NBA. Stop twisting the words of others.

He cannot make it to the NBA, in the NBA, or around the NBA. Again, he sucks.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Redeem team by 15

If you allow the NBA's 12 best (since you are letting Euroleague do that) and give both teams equal time to prepare...

NBA by 20

WTF is wrong with you? Euroleague's best? I never said anything about Euroleague's best? You want Euroleague best? It would even BETTER than the team I was talking about.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

But the Redeem Team was not the 12 best players from the US. If you take the 12 best players from the US, then the 12 best players from Europe. Give each team 4 weeks to practice together and bill it as the true Championship of the world. The US would not lose.

Let me try to compare what is in your mind then. Name me please these 12 best US players so I know what roster you are thinking of.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I know...that is where I stole it from. :)

KPB...overall, playoffs, regular season everything, the leagues as a whole...which league is better, NBA or Euroleague?

I already said NBA is best. But this is ridiculous the way NBA fans talk about it like it is MLS versus Champions league which is so absurd. the NBA is better no doubt but it is fairly close and yet the NBA fans here make it seem like Ryan Bowen would be Jordan in Euroleague. And you know that you talk that way.

[ceds]

Yes, but once again. look at how the information varies from one report to the next. There is absolutely no consistency and the numbers and facts change daily from report to report. That is why the credibility comes into question.

Then when you move from facts to logic, it becomes even worse.

Forget figuers and if he signs or not...

The question is whether the spurs have made an offer.

Ive just provided an example of a legit greek media source stating that the spurs have interest in Bourousis and have made an offer.

Are you people saying this is made up?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

What do you say about Bruno's post, KBP? It seems he is not so confident that he will be a Spur. It seems to imply that if Real matches what he is asking, he will be with Real.

Which one?

[Spursfan092120]

Which one?


http://www.sportaction.gr/document.php?category_id=31&document_id=132568

Oly and Bourousis' agent have had another meeting today. They talked during 3 and a half hours. Numbers given in this article are that Bourousis wants €2M per year while Oly offers €1.2M per year. Astmosphere around negotiations is very good and there will maybe have a new meeting between Oly and Bourousis' agent to reach an agreement.

[Vic Petro]

Let me try to compare what is in your mind then. Name me please these 12 best US players so I know what roster you are thinking of.

First of all I agree that saying Premiership/MLS : NBA/Euroleague is out of line.

As for your other question, off the top of my head:

Chris Paul
Dwyane Wade
Kobe
Dwight Howard
LeBron
Chauncey Billups
Carmelo Anthony
Tim Duncan
Deron Williams
Kevin Garnett
Chris Bosh
Paul Pierce

That's just off the top of my head without checking rosters etc.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

He's ok. I watched him play a lot in the D-League. I mentioned him more than once as a potential signing for the Spurs -- you can look that up. He reminded me of Rasho when the Spurs fattened him up to play against Shaq. Skilled and slow.

He wouldn't be one of the best centers in the NBA, that's just stupid. He could play in the league like the other players you mentioned, but you have no objectivity when it comes to Greek players. It's the same crap over and over.

Let me say i agree with your view of him then. But he always had ability. He was good enough then to contribute in the NBA if he got a fair chance. he wanted 20 minutes from the Sonics and they would not give it to him as a rookie so he left for more money in Europe.

But you cannot compare him then to now. Then he was just a player of pure potential. A tough guy with a big heart and big body, good skills but not ready to make things happen in the court. He is totally different now.

He is a force to be reckoned with these days. Back when he was in US he was a potential player. The Pistons even said they took him early as he would a first round pick the next year. But it doesn't matter even though teams like Pistons and Sonics did believe in him he was surely not ready. Don't get me wrong I am not saying his situation is like Spanoulis in NBA. He was not ready what I mean by fair chance is good playing time and in today's time.

Back then there is not a chance in hell that Glyniadakis could make the Greek national team and now he is on it. Back then a huge club like Olympiacos would never be interested in him or even last year PAO wanted him. In the time of now he can definitely handle a lot of NBA centers. Him and Fotsis just were not ready for the NBA they went to soon and then they got mad about being benched and came to Europe again for playing time and big raises after just a year. It's not like Spanoulis who was completely ready and was just screwed by a stupid coach. But in today's time there is zero doubt to me that Fotsis and Glyniadakis would be good NBA players. If Scola can have the impact he has had then it is without a doubt a guy like Fotsis would be a very nice NBA player in this day.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

If Spanoulis got a chance he's be 1st team All NBA? So he's better than Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant and Chris Paul (2nd Team).

Riiiiigggggggghhhhhhhhttttttttt.

Yes he is definitely better than Chris Paul is. I thought no before the NBA playoffs but I watched them. I watched the Hornets and Nuggets series. Spanoulis is easily a better player than Paul is.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

He cannot make it to the NBA, in the NBA, or around the NBA. Again, he sucks.

The Clippers are trying to bring him to the NBA right now so you are wrong. Also did I say he did not suck? of course he sucks. he sucks and yet he could still make an NBA roster because NBA centers in general most of them suck just as much or more.

[DPG21920]

Forget figuers and if he signs or not...

The question is whether the spurs have made an offer.

Ive just provided an example of a legit greek media source stating that the spurs have interest in Bourousis and have made an offer.

Are you people saying this is made up?

We do not know the Spurs made an offer because:

1) All the reports are making up different numbers. You would think if there was an offer, there would be a consensus about how much.

2) The Spurs are not even allowed to make an offer until July 1st by the rules.

3) Yes, many times people drum up interest in players because it looks good for their leagues and fans, and it drives up the price for players. Using NBA teams is a smart way to up your asking price.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Nothing to worry about from that report. Just Bruno spinning what was said which is the only thing he ever does.

[Vic Petro]

The Clippers are trying to bring him to the NBA right now so you are wrong. Also did I say he did not suck? of course he sucks. he sucks and yet he could still make an NBA roster because NBA centers in general most of them suck just as much or more.

The Clippers, who have 109283741093284612309847 big men, are trying to bring him over? I doubt this.

Look man, I appreciate most of you posts regardless of whether you are Nikos from Santorini or Jeffy from Houston, and I'm especially entertained when you feel insulted and go off on the whole board, but you do state that a lot of things are fact when they are far from it.

[Spursfan092120]

Nothing to worry about from that report. Just Bruno spinning what was said which is the only thing he ever does.
He's not spinning anything. This is a quote from the translated website.

The two sides do not appear they reach at an early date in the agreement. Nevertheless the climate in the discussions is very good and it is not excluded exists also third appointment that perhaps reverses the data.

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sportaction.gr%2Fdocument.p hp%3Fcategory_id%3D31%26document_id%3D132568&lp=el_en&btnTrUrl=Translate

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

First of all I agree that saying Premiership/MLS : NBA/Euroleague is out of line.

As for your other question, off the top of my head:

Chris Paul
Dwyane Wade
Kobe
Dwight Howard
LeBron
Chauncey Billups
Carmelo Anthony
Tim Duncan
Deron Williams
Kevin Garnett
Chris Bosh
Paul Pierce

That's just off the top of my head without checking rosters etc.

This is much stronger than Redeem Team roster. It would beat the 12 best Euroleague players. If you took the 12 best European players including ones that is in NBA and Euroleague and any other league then it would be closer but still probably this US team should win them.

Of course as I say that is much stronger than the Redeem team.

[Vic Petro]

This is much stronger than Redeem Team roster. It would beat the 12 best Euroleague players. If you took the 12 best European players including ones that is in NBA and Euroleague and any other league then it would be closer but still probably this US team should win them.

Of course as I say that is much stronger than the Redeem team.

We are in agreement.

[ChumpDumper]

My main beef with Andreas back then was his motivation factor. He obviously had skills but really didn't seem to give a shit at times. He upped his game when he was taking on drafted NBA players like Plodkolzin and Ha-Seung Jin, but otherwise he spent a lot of time going through the motions which really shows in a cutthroat league like the NBADL. That didn't stop me from repeatedly calling for the Spurs to sign him back in 2006 -- if he's better now, fantastic.

[mountainballer]

I see how Bruno and Mountainballer are considered experts in this forum on "international basketball" when they are both wrong on just about everything they ever say. If they have ever seen a foreign game it would be a shock.

hey, Pink Bunny is jelous.:lol

if it makes you feel better: I'm not an expert, don't try to be one, just love basketball and tell my opinion. end of story.
but just a little advice....claiming that Spanoulis would be an all NBA 1 team player, well, doesn't exactly make anyone look like an expert. ever.

there is one question remaining: (other than you) I'm sitting in the heart of Europe. so what is in my case this foreign game you are talking about? Euro basketball I consider domestic.

[Pucho!!!]

Ok, Ive given u, KBP, the benefit of the doubt long enough but im kinda tired of u wasting the space on this forum. I do enjoy sum of ur incite on foreign prospects, BUT, ur idea of European basketball is completely bias. Get ur 12 best Euros cuz I dont think there's 12 good Euros in the NBA that could beat the Redeem team. Ur spitting out alot of off the topic stuff. I like greek players but lets face if they were as good as u say wouldnt there be more of them in the NBA. I mean do u believe the crap ur saying about how coaches r bias against them and shit, really? I mean if they're soooo good how could a coach refuse to play them. Europeans r getting alot better and have made leaps and bounds in the past decade but still lag alot in the entire aspect of basketball. The great ones go to the NBA, everyone else stays in Europe to reap the benefits of Uzbeckastan or where ever. Just come here and be cool, stop this bullshit argument that NBA players r only a inch better than Euros. An organized NBA team would lose to the Redeem team but not by as much as u think because they play together (most, anyway) and play more organized than Olympic teams. What I find funny is that u think that Euro teams r the only ones that can take it easy until it matters in the Olympics, but Team USA said countless times that they knew thats the way Euros play and followed suit. Y would Team USA try there hardest against teams made up of mostly non-NBA players. U underestimate the Spanish team, which if I recall has the #2 best league in the world. Anyway there's my stupid KBP rant, u will hear no more from me about this crap!!! :hat

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

We do not know the Spurs made an offer because:

1) All the reports are making up different numbers. You would think if there was an offer, there would be a consensus about how much.

2) The Spurs are not even allowed to make an offer until July 1st by the rules.

3) Yes, many times people drum up interest in players because it looks good for their leagues and fans, and it drives up the price for players. Using NBA teams is a smart way to up your asking price.

You do not understand European sports medias. Let me explain it for you. The sports medias are affiliated with a club, usually the bigger ones.

A report you are reading can come from Panathinaikos media, AEK media, Olympiacos media....................then there is also the basketball journalists and some of them have their own angle or reason for a report.

Then there are the Masonic members. They have there own objective and it is national team based. Finally there is the medias that are just reporting like a 24 news service something like ESPN news.

So basically for you to understand it is very simple. When you see things like "it is widely believed Bourousis prefers Greece or wants to stay with Olympiacos" that it is just some writer making up crap. He is just stating that for his own reasons.

Just like the US articles say things like "no way Spurs can afford Bourousis" "no way Spurs can outbid Olympiacos" "Bourousis does not want to play in the NBA, he is just using the Spurs to get more money from Olympiacos".

That is made up bull shit from a dumb ass writer with his own objectives. The bull shit is the same whether in US or Greece. Just ignore the speculation parts, or you can say ignore what Bruno posts. And don't worry about US or Greek media reliability. The big Greek sports medias are no more or less reliable than ESPN for example.

[samikeyp]

Yes he is definitely better than Chris Paul is. Spanoulis is easily a better player than Paul is.

Dude, you can't say things like that and expect to maintain your scam of trying to get people to believe you. :lol

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

The Clippers, who have 109283741093284612309847 big men, are trying to bring him over? I doubt this.

Look man, I appreciate most of you posts regardless of whether you are Nikos from Santorini or Jeffy from Houston, and I'm especially entertained when you feel insulted and go off on the whole board, but you do state that a lot of things are fact when they are far from it.

Sofo said just yesterday that the Clippers invited him to their camp and he wants to go to it and not to think about him for the national team. Why would he make that up?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

He's not spinning anything. This is a quote from the translated website.

The two sides do not appear they reach at an early date in the agreement. Nevertheless the climate in the discussions is very good and it is not excluded exists also third appointment that perhaps reverses the data.

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sportaction.gr%2Fdocument.p hp%3Fcategory_id%3D31%26document_id%3D132568&lp=el_en&btnTrUrl=Translate

You and Bruno = political propaganda. Are you serious? Everyone else just ignore this nonsense.

[Spursfan092120]

Yes he is definitely better than Chris Paul is. I thought no before the NBA playoffs but I watched them. I watched the Hornets and Nuggets series. Spanoulis is easily a better player than Paul is.
http://www.loldawgz.com/dawgz/hilarious.jpg

[Spursfan092120]

You and Bruno = political propaganda. Are you serious? Everyone else just ignore this nonsense.
Are you freaking kidding me? Are you denying that what I typed is exactly what that link says? I just copied and pasted...lol...you can't say I'm wrong, idiot...it's right there in black and white.

[DPG21920]

You do not understand European sports medias. Let me explain it for you. The sports medias are affiliated with a club, usually the bigger ones.

A report you are reading can come from Panathinaikos media, AEK media, Olympiacos media....................then there is also the basketball journalists and some of them have their own angle or reason for a report.

Then there are the Masonic members. They have there own objective and it is national team based. Finally there is the medias that are just reporting like a 24 news service something like ESPN news.

So basically for you to understand it is very simple. When you see things like "it is widely believed Bourousis prefers Greece or wants to stay with Olympiacos" that it is just some writer making up crap. He is just stating that for his own reasons.

Just like the US articles say things like "no way Spurs can afford Bourousis" "no way Spurs can outbid Olympiacos" "Bourousis does not want to play in the NBA, he is just using the Spurs to get more money from Olympiacos".

That is made up bull shit from a dumb ass writer with his own objectives. The bull shit is the same whether in US or Greece. Just ignore the speculation parts, or you can say ignore what Bruno posts. And don't worry about US or Greek media reliability. The big Greek sports medias are no more or less reliable than ESPN for example.

Yes, but how do you know what is made up and what is not? In the USA, when I go to Yahoo!, ESPN, SI, Fox Sports... and they are reporting on a trade or a contract, all of the reports match numbers. There is some form of consistency.

In these reports, there are not.

[Vic Petro]

Sofo said just yesterday that the Clippers invited him to their camp and he wants to go to it and not to think about him for the national team. Why would he make that up?

To fabricate competition for his services? Demand drives up prices. Perhaps he is trying to create a falsified demand for his services, thereby making himself seem more valuable to other clubs. I don't know this for sure, I'm just using deductive reasoning.

Also the Clippers bringing him to camp does not mean they want to sign him. It could just mean that they want bodies for camp and want to get a closer look at their property in a more NBA-style context.

[DPG21920]

KBP: Also, we all know that Bourousis has now had 3 meetings, so how is he being disrespectful by saying I am going to play for the Spurs and sign a contract as soon as they make me an offer?

Also, do you think that Olympiacos will match the Spurs offer?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

My main beef with Andreas back then was his motivation factor. He obviously had skills but really didn't seem to give a shit at times. He upped his game when he was taking on drafted NBA players like Plodkolzin and Ha-Seung Jin, but otherwise he spent a lot of time going through the motions which really shows in a cutthroat league like the NBADL. That didn't stop me from repeatedly calling for the Spurs to sign him back in 2006 -- if he's better now, fantastic.

Yes you are right. His nickname in Greece back then was "Standing Tree". What happened to him was he always had a dream of NBA. He was one of them that was always watching Jordan and the Bulls and those times on TV. Remember most Greek players do not have interest in the NBA but instead only PAO and Olympiacos (its cultural issues). He was different though. But he was always so lazy.

He made NBA just on fact he is so strong and physical. But he figured he could just get by with that as he had been. Maybe he could get 10-15 minutes in European clubs that were not really serious. He wasn't up to standard or PAO though which was they had already dumped him. he could make mid level Greek clubs that would allow his laziness.

He made NBA and found out he needed to work. He spent year in D league and had a good year winning the championship and the coach said he was the best player in D league. So then he got a big head again and started being lazy again. He was even asking Sonics give him 20 minutes or he would leave and they felt he was not ready as a rookie (he was not ready either) still he did not want to work. He was gone back to Europe. He went to Italy I think and then back to Greece. Finally he changed his ways.

Last year he announced he was trying to get back to NBA and he would start working and dedicate himself. Well it was like a new player believe me. This guy was so good last year in Maroussi and he made the Olympic team. They didn't even want Koufos on the team because of hos he was playing.

This year in Maroussi Glyniadakis was just awesome. This guy is a warrior and just a force in the paint. He is a wrecking ball in the basket area in defense and rebounds and shot blocking and still he has decent post moves, not a bad free throw shooter and he can hit a 12-15 foot jump shot.

Now Olympiacos wants him to replace Bourousis. If he keeps his work up then he should be in the Greek team at Eurobasket this summer and in Euroleague next year with Olympiacos and I think then next year if he wants to come to the NBA he will have plenty of offers. The guy was just a beast this year.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

To fabricate competition for his services? Demand drives up prices. Perhaps he is trying to create a falsified demand for his services, thereby making himself seem more valuable to other clubs. I don't know this for sure, I'm just using deductive reasoning.

Also the Clippers bringing him to camp does not mean they want to sign him. It could just mean that they want bodies for camp and want to get a closer look at their property in a more NBA-style context.

No. The Clippers confirmed it. He already was given an invite for the summer.

[Vic Petro]

No. The Clippers confirmed it. He already was given an invite for the summer.

My point stands though...for example if the Spurs invite Sanikidze to camp it doesn't necessarily mean they want to bring him over.

[Kindergarten Cop]

We do not know the Spurs made an offer because:

1) All the reports are making up different numbers. You would think if there was an offer, there would be a consensus about how much.

2) The Spurs are not even allowed to make an offer until July 1st by the rules.

3) Yes, many times people drum up interest in players because it looks good for their leagues and fans, and it drives up the price for players. Using NBA teams is a smart way to up your asking price.

I thought that it was already confirmed that the Spurs (or any other NBA team for that matter) could make an offer at any time for this player now that he is no longer under contract due to his age and the fact that he had already gone undrafted years ago. Is this not correct?

[ceds]

KBP

I need a better understanding of the greek news reports.

Each major club has there own sports media??

What is the national news / sports media outlet in Greece and have they reported on the Baurousis situation?


Here's what i believe is happening i'd like your thoughts and correct anything thats wrong.

- Bourousis has been a player the spurs have scouted for some time.
- Pop & RC watch Bourousis in the final four and let him know they want him to come over. (starting center minutes, learn from TD etc..)
- Although no formal offer can be made until July 1 a verbal offer has been made. The numbers vary according to reports.
- Bourousis current club have indicated they will not match the spurs offer and have already signed a replacement center. There is however another European team talking to Bourousis that could potentially offer a better deal then the spurs
- Apparantly Pop is taking charge of the courtship and wants to meet with Bourisis.
- Come July 1 the spurs will make a formal offer.

[ChumpDumper]

They can negotiate, but there can be no actual offer at this point.

[twilo73]

Bourousis might get a offer from Real Madrid in Spain.

http://www.defensacentral.com/baloncesto/30516/bourousis-real-madrid

[DPG21920]

KBP

I need a better understanding of the greek news reports.

Each major club has there own sports media??

What is the national news / sports media outlet in Greece and have they reported on the Baurousis situation?


Here's what i believe is happening i'd like your thoughts and correct anything thats wrong.

- Bourousis has been a player the spurs have scouted for some time.
- Pop & RC watch Bourousis in the final four and let him know they want him to come over. (starting center minutes, learn from TD etc..)
- Although no formal offer can be made until July 1 a verbal offer has been made. The numbers vary according to reports.
- Bourousis current club have indicated they will not match the spurs offer and have already signed a replacement center. There is however another European team talking to Bourousis that could potentially offer a better deal then the spurs
- Apparantly Pop is taking charge of the courtship and wants to meet with Bourisis.
- Come July 1 the spurs will make a formal offer.

Also, did you read the report, Olympiacos have not signed another person and are in the deep stages of negotiation still with Bourousis.

[remon]

I thought that it was already confirmed that the Spurs (or any other NBA team for that matter) could make an offer at any time for this player now that he is no longer under contract due to his age and the fact that he had already gone undrafted years ago. Is this not correct?


Apparently, this seems to be the biggest problem for the Spurs, if they want him.

Some reports say that Real Madrid has made a 6.3 million Euros for three years offer, and they gave him a deadline till this friday. If the Spurs can't make an offer before the 1st of July, and he has to answer to Real till this friday, then I believe Bourousis' better option would be to sign with Real.

Otherwise, he has to decline it, and then wait for an offer from the Spurs, which of course isn't sure will happen.

[Kindergarten Cop]

They can negotiate, but there can be no actual offer at this point.

I thought that they can make an offer and even verbally agree to an offer, but just not officially sign it until July 1. This may not be the case with other NBA FAs, but he is not an NBA FA. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought that's what Bruno noted in another thread a week or so back.

[yavozerb]

Apparently, this seems to be the biggest problem for the Spurs, if they want him.

Some reports say that Real Madrid has made a 6.3 million Euros for three years offer, and they gave him a deadline till this friday. If the Spurs can't make an offer before the 1st of July, and he has to answer to Real till this friday, then I believe Bourousis' better option would be to sign with Real.

Otherwise, he has to decline it, and then wait for an offer from the Spurs, which of course isn't sure will happen.

If RM wants him bad enough they will push back their deadline..Boursousis can call his own shots at this pt..

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

hey, Pink Bunny is jelous.:lol

if it makes you feel better: I'm not an expert, don't try to be one, just love basketball and tell my opinion. end of story.
but just a little advice....claiming that Spanoulis would be an all NBA 1 team player, well, doesn't exactly make anyone look like an expert. ever.

there is one question remaining: (other than you) I'm sitting in the heart of Europe. so what is in my case this foreign game you are talking about? Euro basketball I consider domestic.

You are saying how you think Lull is very talented and is a steal for the draft. Well for sure this Lull kid has talent and is quite good for his age. But on the other hand you have never done anything but bash and say bad things about Spanoulis. Not only is Spanoulis 10 times better than Lull he is also much better than Lull could ever be. Even if you compared when they were the same age. Spanoulis at Lull's age could already single handed by HIMSELF regularly beat teams like Olympiacos and Panathinaikos. I mean with maybe 2 or 3 other Eurocup level players he beat Olympiacos in a playoff when he was like 21 or something. I mean come on. You always want it both ways. Either you do not watch basketball as much as you say or you are a Spanoulis hater.

It is fine if you are a Spanoulis hater this is your right and opinion but when you tell others here that the Spurs should not want him basing it on that you don't like him it makes them think he is a bad player. Obviously Spanoulis is far better than any other foreign player that is ever mentioned in this forum. I mean I am sure Bourousis if Spurs get him will do wonders for the Spurs eventually and can turn the team back to competing for the title. This guy has a lot of money thrown at him from a couple serious NBA clubs.

And still Spanoulis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bourousis easily.

If you really know European game then fine but just say you don;t like Spanoulis but you should really stop telling fans here how bad he is and how I lie about him. The NBA fans obviously do not know but THE most hated player in Greece = Spanoulis THE most hated player in Europe = Spanoulis.

He is Kobe in Europe/Greece and much for same reasons. You and all the other haters know it. The very best player in any league is always also the most hated. Why do you think he did not just do as van Gundy asked him? Because he will not. There is no player in the world other than Kobe with his will and his ego. You make it seem like he is a scrub with that ego. This is nonsense he just a got a stupid arrogant coach who has Napoleon complex and could never accept a foreign rookie telling him he will not change his game for him.

Obradovic is the coach that Messina, Larry Brown, Popovich ask for help that they go to learn from and ask him to teach them more. This is Spanoulis coach. Same guy coached Bodiroga, etc. He said it straight to the media "Spanoulis is the most talented player ever step on a court in Europe his only weakness is he is so talented and good that he does not realize it he does not understand how good he is". Then he said on van Gundy "He must be crazy if he can't use him". This same guy coached Bodiroga, Divac, Djordevic, Sabonis and the list goes on. The guy considered the best coach in the world and who even coached Sabonis and Bodiroga said it Spanoulis is the best player he has ever coached and most talented from Europe ever.

Of course there is a reason why this guy is the best player in everything in PAO the biggest non NBA club and yet who is the most hated PAO player? Spanoulis. Diamantidis even finally told the PAO fans to shut the hell up and leave him alone. "He is better than me and our best player. He's the best player in Europe leave him alone already."

But the Diamantidis fans in PAO can't stand it. How he always upstages him. Same with Saras who told the coach he wanted to start and be the point guard. You know Obradovic even said it "I told him no we have the best European guard of all times and you want me to bench him? Sorry but I cannot do that anymore."

Even Childress found out. He was assigned all series in Greek finals to play Spanoulis and he said it after the series was over "I do not know how this guy could not get playing time in the NBA. He is the toughest point guard I have ever seen and he never stops coming after you."

You are just another Spanoulis hater just like all the Kobe haters. In Europe all the haters hate him but they all know inside how special he is the NBA fans that don't know him can't see through just hate posts about a player they do not know.

[ceds]

Also, did you read the report, Olympiacos have not signed another person and are in the deep stages of negotiation still with Bourousis.

I thought i read they signed another center aswell?

We need to understand how the media works...
If that was the sports media for Olympiakos then it could be bias.

Right now all he can do is field formal offers from European clubs...Once we get to July 1 he will have an NBA offer on the table and we can reasonably assume it'll be from the spurs.

[ChumpDumper]

I thought that they can make an offer and even verbally agree to an offer, but just not officially sign it until July 1. This may not be the case with other NBA FAs, but he is not an NBA FA. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought that's what Bruno noted in another thread a week or so back.Well they can verbally agree -- but nothing can really be done officially since the cap numbers aren't known.

[DPG21920]

Well they can verbally agree -- but nothing can really be done officially since the cap numbers aren't known.

Exactly, and since all the "informal" offers reported are so inconsistent, you cannot take anything seriously.

[Russ]

you get Redeem Team versus best players not even from Europe but just from eastern Europe and they will kick the crap out of Redeem team. Forget Argentina and Spain and their NBA players. Just take Greece, Croatia, Serbia, Lithuania and all their Euroleague players, take the best 12 from those countries and that plays just in Euroleague and they would "destroy" Redeem team rather easily and without much trouble at all.

Whose rules?

[Indazone]

Well the upside to all this negotiating is that if Bourousis doesn't come over, the Spurs haven't wasted a draft pick nor have they lost any money. If he doesn't sign, watch the Spurs begin their courtship of V-Span :lol

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

KBP

I need a better understanding of the greek news reports.

Each major club has there own sports media??

What is the national news / sports media outlet in Greece and have they reported on the Baurousis situation?


Here's what i believe is happening i'd like your thoughts and correct anything thats wrong.

- Bourousis has been a player the spurs have scouted for some time.
- Pop & RC watch Bourousis in the final four and let him know they want him to come over. (starting center minutes, learn from TD etc..)
- Although no formal offer can be made until July 1 a verbal offer has been made. The numbers vary according to reports.
- Bourousis current club have indicated they will not match the spurs offer and have already signed a replacement center. There is however another European team talking to Bourousis that could potentially offer a better deal then the spurs
- Apparantly Pop is taking charge of the courtship and wants to meet with Bourisis.
- Come July 1 the spurs will make a formal offer.

Yes this is all correct. You can add to the list that Olympiacos might still change their mind and match the Spurs offer. But Bourousis has never once said that means he will stay in Olympiacos. That is just speculations from some writers or fans here.

[GSH]

You just have to love the consistent, professional journalism on this subject. Here's a new article from TalkBasket. Remember - the one with the "official" English article that KBP use as proof that Bourousis was coming here?

Anyway, they are now saying that he wants 1.7M Euros for a longer-term deal, or 1.8M Euros for a single year contract, and that Oly has offered 1.4M plus incentive bonuses. That makes it sound like they are not very far apart after all.

There's something very familiar about the author of these TalkBasket articles...

http://www.talkbasket.net/news/bourousis-next-for-real-madrid.html

Bourousis next for Real Madrid?
2009-06-19 01:27
Greek giant Ioannis Bourousis could not reach an agreement regarding the extension of his contract with Olympiakos some hours ago and the rumours about Real Madrid bidding for the player are now stronger than ever.
This was the third meeting between Olympiacos and Bourousis' agent (although today was the first time that Bourousis had attended the meeting himself) and the difference between the two parties was too large to reach a consensus.

Bourousis has made it clear from day one that he wishes at least 1.7 million/per year euros for a long term contract or a 1.8 million euros/per year contract for a short term contract, partly motivated by his well-paid teammates such as Childress, Papaloukas and Vujcic.

Olympiacos seems to disagree with him and in a try to implement their new tighter economical policy are offering him considerably less money (about 1.4 million euros per season) and topping up that offer with bonuses in case the team wins titles.

Bourousis has the luxury to wait after his excellent season and being the #1 hottest name in European transfer market right now he has the upper hand. He has already been promised an offer from San Antonio Spurs after July 1 (that is when NBA teams can make official offers) while he could see Panathinaikos as a last resort from Europe.

To more concrete rumours now, the Greek basketball website superbasket.gr has reported that Bourousis has already an offer from Real Madrid in his hands and that Real Madrid is waiting for a response fast.

Real Madrid's alleged offer that Bourousis claims to have is worth a total of 6.3 million euros for a period of three years. It seems that Real Madrid is trying to turn their basketball section too into 'Galacticos' and hiring Messina was the first step needed to reach the top and they will not hesitate to splash some cash in the summer market.

One thing is for sure, Bourousis' name will keep everyone busy in the summer being one of the hottest names out there as there are not many teams in the entire world that would not want him.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Well they can verbally agree -- but nothing can really be done officially since the cap numbers aren't known.

Correct.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Exactly, and since all the "informal" offers reported are so inconsistent, you cannot take anything seriously.

You keep making this up. The offer is either 3 years or 3+1 which means 4th year is a team option. There is no confusion about those issues.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Also Real Madrid's confirmed offer is 6.3 million euros net salary in 3 years. This is = to 3 years $17.5 million NBA contract. So if Bourousis comes to the Spurs all the fans here need to remember that.

And stop all this stupid crap posts like "if he wanted to play with the Spurs or in NBA he would take less money" because he will be leaving $5.6 millions from real Madrid to come to Spurs.

So you can start appreciating and respecting him and stop talking about him like he is some scum or something. You know damn well there is NBA free agent that would come to Spurs this year for $5.6 million less than another team offered.

[GSH]

Also Real Madrid's confirmed offer is 6.3 million euros net salary in 3 years. This is = to 3 years $17.5 million NBA contract. So if Bourousis comes to the Spurs all the fans here need to remember that.

And stop all this stupid crap posts like "if he wanted to play with the Spurs or in NBA he would take less money" because he will be leaving $5.6 millions from real Madrid to come to Spurs.

So you can start appreciating and respecting him and stop talking about him like he is some scum or something. You know damn well there is NBA free agent that would come to Spurs this year for $5.6 million less than another team offered.

Maybe... unless the article on Talkbasket is a total fabrication. I have to wonder how one person could know the amount offered to Bourosis by a team in Spain, as well as by a team in Greece, and by a team in the U.S. Either that person really gets around, or he got the information straight from Bourosis or his agent. Or... he totally made it up.

But why would someone make something like that up? Then again, why would someone leave $5.6M on the table? For that matter, why would a team let the best center in the Euroleague go, over a few hundred K per season? I can't imagine Houston saying that Yao is a luxury. Or Orlando saying Dwight Howard is a luxury.

When I start hearing too many things that don't add up, my Bullshit-O-Meter starts going off.

[sabar]

If he really wanted to be in the NBA he would take less money.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

He's got to be going to Real Madrid then.
Who in the hell passes up $5.6M more a year?

[Blackjack]

He's got to be going to Real Madrid then.
Who in the hell passes up $5.6M more a year?

Check the sig...

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Maybe... unless the article on Talkbasket is a total fabrication. I have to wonder how one person could know the amount offered to Bourosis by a team in Spain, as well as by a team in Greece, and by a team in the U.S. Either that person really gets around, or he got the information straight from Bourosis or his agent. Or... he totally made it up.

But why would someone make something like that up? Then again, why would someone leave $5.6M on the table? For that matter, why would a team let the best center in the Euroleague go, over a few hundred K per season? I can't imagine Houston saying that Yao is a luxury. Or Orlando saying Dwight Howard is a luxury.

When I start hearing too many things that don't add up, my Bullshit-O-Meter starts going off.

This is from big Greek sports paper NOT Talkbasket. It is just Talkbasket speculating about it nothing more than that.

Here is the real article and it is from a big Greek sports media. This is one of the biggest sports medias Greece has.

http://www.superbasket.gr/?c=136&a=113997

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

And for your saying that these numbers are made up by talkbasket once again they do not report this they just stole it from a big Greek media.

Right here.

http://www.superbasket.gr/?c=136&a=113997

Ο διεθνής σέντερ φέρεται να έχει στα χέρια του πρόταση από τη Ρεάλ Μαδρίτης για τριετές συμβόλαιο έναντι 6,3 εκατομμυρίων ευρώ και μάλιστα να πιέζεται να απαντήσει ως την Παρασκευή. Το... θρίλερ θα έχει και συνέχεια αλλά με τα ως τώρα δεδομένα ο Μπουρούσης είναι πιο κοντά στη "Βασίλισσα" απ' ότι στο λιμάνι.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Maybe... unless the article on Talkbasket is a total fabrication. I have to wonder how one person could know the amount offered to Bourosis by a team in Spain, as well as by a team in Greece, and by a team in the U.S. Either that person really gets around, or he got the information straight from Bourosis or his agent. Or... he totally made it up.

But why would someone make something like that up? Then again, why would someone leave $5.6M on the table? For that matter, why would a team let the best center in the Euroleague go, over a few hundred K per season? I can't imagine Houston saying that Yao is a luxury. Or Orlando saying Dwight Howard is a luxury.

When I start hearing too many things that don't add up, my Bullshit-O-Meter starts going off.

A few hundred K? That is in euros and it is net. You are talking over a million per year.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

If he really wanted to be in the NBA he would take less money.

If he was American he would never take less money. Fixed it for you.

[Blackjack]

I have a belly button.:)

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Check the sig...

Comparing Duncan to Bourousis? Really?

[Blackjack]

Comparing Duncan to Bourousis? Really?

K_B_P told me that Tim couldn't hold his jock.(Joking K_B_P, joking:lol)

You asked who in their right mind would take less scratch, it wasn't the same figure per year, but Timmy left plenty on the table.(Al Jefferson kind of followed Tim's lead and probably left even more, also. Damn, Americans...)

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Spanish media reports he has also been given now offers by the Cavs and Grizzlies.

http://www.tubasket.com/noticiaDetail/verArticulo/acb/madrid/interesa/bourousis/que/no/ha/renovado/olympiakos/tiene/ofertas/nba/14711

[timvp]

KBP comes close to being a quality contributor to the forum then says outrageous BS such as some Greek center who was average in the D-League would now suddenly be a top tier NBA players, that Vaginis is better than Chris Paul and the best players in the NBA would get beat handily by players from Eastern Europe.

I want Brontosaurus to hurry up and stop pretending he's the lone Greek not afraid of the NBA and sign with a Euro team ... like he and his agent have planned all along.

[ivanfromwestwood]

hey kbp if bourousis comes to the spurs, what happens with t splitter?

[benefactor]

I have a belly button.:)
Rumpelstiltskin?

[mountainballer]

KBP comes close to being a quality contributor to the forum then says outrageous BS such as some Greek center who was average in the D-League would now suddenly be a top tier NBA players, that Vaginis is better than Chris Paul and the best players in the NBA would get beat handily by players from Eastern Europe.

:lol yeah, whenever he pushes his Greek button, he turns into the most ridiculous homer ever. (well, homer maybe isn't the right word, since he isn't Greek at all). unfortunately this happens in about 95% of his posts.
and whoever doesn't agree with this absurd estimations automatically will be called ......(insert whatever insulting term the English language offers).
just imagine, one of the really good international players like Dirk, Tony, Manu, would actually be from Greece.....:downspin:
we would get a new thread started every day by him, where he tells the world that they are better than MJ, Bird and Magic ever were.

[Blackjack]

Rumpelstiltskin?

;)



:lmao

[GSH]

Also Real Madrid's confirmed offer is 6.3 million euros net salary in 3 years. This is = to 3 years $17.5 million NBA contract. So if Bourousis comes to the Spurs all the fans here need to remember that.

And stop all this stupid crap posts like "if he wanted to play with the Spurs or in NBA he would take less money" because he will be leaving $5.6 millions from real Madrid to come to Spurs.

So you can start appreciating and respecting him and stop talking about him like he is some scum or something. You know damn well there is NBA free agent that would come to Spurs this year for $5.6 million less than another team offered.

You want us to respect him because (you claim) he will leave 700K Euro per season on the table to play for the Spurs instead of RM. But he has made it clear that he will play for Oly if they meet his demand of 1.7M Euro - that's the reason for the continued negotiations. That doesn't sound like he wants to play here - it sounds like he really doesn't want to play in Spain. Or maybe, just maybe, a lot of these stories are fabrications.

You want to know why my Bullshit-O-Meter is going off? Let's see... according to your math, a 6.3M Euro contract is worth $17.5M, and the Spurs have offered $5.6M less. Correct? That makes the Spurs offer about $12M (let's round to keep it simple). So, keeping with your own math, the Spurs offer is the equivalent of about 1.4M Euro per season. We've read, over and over, that he is demanding 1.7M Euro from Oly. And the latest stories say that Oly has offered him 1.4M Euro, plus bonuses. That makes the Oly offer and the Spurs offer just about the same.

So this is what all of that means:
He won't play in Madrid for 2.1M Euro. (Current offer from RM)
And he won't play in Greece for 1.4M Euro. (Current offer from Oly)
But he will play in the U.S. for 1.4M Euro. (Current offer from Spurs)
And he will play in Greece for 1.7M Euro. (His demand to Oly)

He will leave $5.6M on the table to play for the Spurs vs. Madrid. (According to KBP)
But he won't leave $5.6M on the table to play in Greece vs. Madrid. (Won't accept 1.4M Euro from Oly)
He won't leave $2.5M on the table to play for the Spurs vs. Oly. (1.7M Euro vs 1.4M Euro)
But he will leave $3.5M on the table to play in Greece vs. Madrid. (1.7M Eu vs 2.1M Eu)

It doesn't all add up. It's not about the money, but he's negotiating for more money. He wants to play in the NBA, but he's in daily negotiations to play somewhere else. He's supposedly the best center in the Euros, but Oly considers him a luxury. He's supposedly (according to KBP) one of the best centers in the world, but nobody is willing to pay him more than $4M per season, except for RM who is offering about $5.8M per season? (And $5.8M is still less than Nazr and Darko are getting.)

[GSH]

The latest "news" from a Greek media site says that Bourousis met with the Angelopoulos brothers today (Friday), that the climate of the negotiations changed completely, and that they are "a breath away" from making a deal for him to stay with Olympiacos.

For the record, the article indicates Bourousis and his agent managed to use the other teams to get leverage for their negotiations with Oly, and it worked.

http://www.sportnet.gr/report.aspx?id=190967


19/06/2009 18:41 »OLYMPIAKOS - To stay the Bourousis!

The possibility to withdraw from the John Bourousis Olympiakos seems upset that the Angelopoulos brothers according to information made shortly before the new improved proposal to the Greek senter. Well-informed sources indicate that the two sides now are a breath away from the agreement for renewal of their cooperation in the next few hours might be a statement of the Olympic theme for ...

Olympiakos see that the player is lost, and having the «bogeyman» Real top of his head, which pushes the player to answer the Panathinaiko enter the game, decided to bring back the Bourousi. The pressure from Real for the player finally worked positively for the Olympic, after the team realized that it may lose the senter and Angelopoulos said raising their offer.

The two sides spoke again in a very good, this time, climate, and now everything is open to the eve of the Greek senter at the port, the Olympic winning several points in the battle. The new approach Angelopoulos made and the player must wait a bit to see whether the case will be successful.

After the unsuccessful meeting Thursday seemed that both sides had more to them than separated them united, but rather the climate changed completely on Friday. The Bourousis is closer than any other time to renew the contract, assuming of course has several reversals in the past.

[stxspurs]

IB just emailed me back....

Dear stx,
i would very much like to play to spurs. not madrid or oly. sorry if english broke. tell jeff...i mean killbill i say OPA!!!!

IBS

[lcroock]

The latest "news" from a Greek media site says that Bourousis met with the Angelopoulos brothers today (Friday), that the climate of the negotiations changed completely, and that they are "a breath away" from making a deal for him to stay with Olympiacos.

http://www.sportnet.gr/report.aspx?id=190967


19/06/2009 18:41 »OLYMPIAKOS - To stay the Bourousis!

The possibility to withdraw from the John Bourousis Olympiakos seems upset that the Angelopoulos brothers according to information made shortly before the new improved proposal to the Greek senter. Well-informed sources indicate that the two sides now are a breath away from the agreement for renewal of their cooperation in the next few hours might be a statement of the Olympic theme for ...

Olympiakos see that the player is lost, and having the «bogeyman» Real top of his head, which pushes the player to answer the Panathinaiko enter the game, decided to bring back the Bourousi. The pressure from Real for the player finally worked positively for the Olympic, after the team realized that it may lose the senter and Angelopoulos said raising their offer.

The two sides spoke again in a very good, this time, climate, and now everything is open to the eve of the Greek senter at the port, the Olympic winning several points in the battle. The new approach Angelopoulos made and the player must wait a bit to see whether the case will be successful.

After the unsuccessful meeting Thursday seemed that both sides had more to them than separated them united, but rather the climate changed completely on Friday. The Bourousis is closer than any other time to renew the contract, assuming of course has several reversals in the past.

Good - now we can offer Odom/Marion the MLE and see what happens.

[ffadicted]

Good - now we can offer Odom/Marion the MLE and see what happens.

:nope

[E-RockWill]

:nope

+1

[D-ROB 50]

I have a belly button.:)

fuck'n liar

[Bruno]

http://www.contra.gr/Basketball/Hellas/A1Basket/Olympiacos/242619.html

It looks like Bourousis has re-signed with Olympiacos.

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[Spursfan092120]

If he was American he would never take less money. Fixed it for you.
You are such an idiot....Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Tim Duncan, Lebron James (yes..Lebron...he's only making 14.5 million..MILES less than what he could be getting paid), Bruce Bowen, Chauncey Billups, Ron Artest, Chris Paul, Ben Gordon....all those guys, just off the top of my head, are guys who have, at one time or another, taken less money to help the team bring in more talent. Also add Tony Parker and Manu to that list, both of which took less money so they could sign the other. For someone who bashes people for not having knowledge and making things up, you sure as hell do the same thing a lot.

[Mel_13]

http://www.contra.gr/Basketball/Hellas/A1Basket/Olympiacos/242619.html

It looks like Bourousis has re-signed with Olympiacos.

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At least now we can focus on players who actually want to play in the NBA.

[Spursfan092120]

Kill_Bill_Pana.....................LIES!!!!

[D-ROB 50]

add another one to the list of scrubs that uses us to get better contracts. Move along nothing to see here.

[DPG21920]

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[ChumpDumper]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WuZrt_5k7-o/SYKO9T_v6oI/AAAAAAAABM4/8Sl9Njc4gzE/s400/greekdancing.jpg

[timvp]

http://www.contra.gr/Basketball/Hellas/A1Basket/Olympiacos/242619.html

It looks like Bourousis has re-signed with Olympiacos.

[/thread]

But Olympiacos don't need him they have Galapogos, Shankolitisi, Ughejlolpolpos and Papalapalopalolipas at center already!

[Spursfan092120]

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[Blackjack]

fuck'n liar

BLACKJACK21,

Honest.

Trustworthy.

Owner of a belly button.

More news @ 10:00...

[DPG21920]

http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/_arquivo_hannibal_lecter-copy.jpg

Well, well, well KBP, how lovely to see you again. How does it feel to know that all your life's work has gone tumbling down the gaping hole known as your life. The empty, shallow and lonely nights spent working away, trying to earn the respect of your peers only to see your dreams dashed in the blink of an eye.

It is something that could have been avoided had you listened. "Advice when most needed is least heeded" KBP. I tried to warn you the path you were walking was a dangerous one, but once again you chose to ignore the signs all around you. Now you come back to me for help? I will not help you when you are capable of helping yourself KBP. Look at me. Look at me. The answers are and have always been right in front of your eyes; open them, use your mind and solve this case.

The answer to the question "why is the greek so important to you" will lead you to the solution. Now, if you do not mind, I have grown tired of your laziness. Come back to me when you are ready to learn.

[ivanfromwestwood]

lol when i read that shit it sounds like his voice in my head. i think every post you do should include that pic. fucking great. i love it!!

[yavozerb]

http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/_arquivo_hannibal_lecter-copy.jpg

Well, well, well KBP, how lovely to see you again. How does it feel to know that all your life's work has gone tumbling down the gaping hole known as your life. The empty, shallow and lonely nights spent working away, trying to earn the respect of your peers only to see your dreams dashed in the blink of an eye.

It is something that could have been avoided had you listened. "Advice when most needed is least heeded" KBP. I tried to warn you the path you were walking was a dangerous one, but once again you chose to ignore the signs all around you. Now you come back to me for help? I will not help you when you are capable of helping yourself KBP. Look at me. Look at me. The answers are and have always been right in front of your eyes; open them, use your mind and solve this case.

The answer to the question "why is the greek so important to you" will lead you to the solution. Now, if you do not mind, I have grown tired of your laziness. Come back to me when you are ready to learn.

:lol

[Mel_13]

http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/_arquivo_hannibal_lecter-copy.jpg

Well, well, well KBP, how lovely to see you again. How does it feel to know that all your life's work has gone tumbling down the gaping hole known as your life. The empty, shallow and lonely nights spent working away, trying to earn the respect of your peers only to see your dreams dashed in the blink of an eye.

It is something that could have been avoided had you listened. "Advice when most needed is least heeded" KBP. I tried to warn you the path you were walking was a dangerous one, but once again you chose to ignore the signs all around you. Now you come back to me for help? I will not help you when you are capable of helping yourself KBP. Look at me. Look at me. The answers are and have always been right in front of your eyes; open them, use your mind and solve this case.

The answer to the question "why is the greek so important to you" will lead you to the solution. Now, if you do not mind, I have grown tired of your laziness. Come back to me when you are ready to learn.

:rollin

[D-ROB 50]

BLACKJACK21,

Honest.

Trustworthy.

Owner of a belly button.

More news @ 10:00...

With that kind of talk you will be the next KBP, watch yourself belly button man.

[Spursfan092120]

http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/_arquivo_hannibal_lecter-copy.jpg

Well, well, well KBP, how lovely to see you again. How does it feel to know that all your life's work has gone tumbling down the gaping hole known as your life. The empty, shallow and lonely nights spent working away, trying to earn the respect of your peers only to see your dreams dashed in the blink of an eye.

It is something that could have been avoided had you listened. "Advice when most needed is least heeded" KBP. I tried to warn you the path you were walking was a dangerous one, but once again you chose to ignore the signs all around you. Now you come back to me for help? I will not help you when you are capable of helping yourself KBP. Look at me. Look at me. The answers are and have always been right in front of your eyes; open them, use your mind and solve this case.

The answer to the question "why is the greek so important to you" will lead you to the solution. Now, if you do not mind, I have grown tired of your laziness. Come back to me when you are ready to learn.
freaking genius.. :lmao

[Russ]

Never on Sunday . . .:depressed


Okay, I say we go after Darko. (And I'm serious.:))

[Blackjack]

with that kind of talk you will be the next kbp, watch yourself belly button man.

lies!!! Lies!!!!

[D-ROB 50]

http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/_arquivo_hannibal_lecter-copy.jpg

Well, well, well KBP, how lovely to see you again. How does it feel to know that all your life's work has gone tumbling down the gaping hole known as your life. The empty, shallow and lonely nights spent working away, trying to earn the respect of your peers only to see your dreams dashed in the blink of an eye.

It is something that could have been avoided had you listened. "Advice when most needed is least heeded" KBP. I tried to warn you the path you were walking was a dangerous one, but once again you chose to ignore the signs all around you. Now you come back to me for help? I will not help you when you are capable of helping yourself KBP. Look at me. Look at me. The answers are and have always been right in front of your eyes; open them, use your mind and solve this case.

The answer to the question "why is the greek so important to you" will lead you to the solution. Now, if you do not mind, I have grown tired of your laziness. Come back to me when you are ready to learn.

you sir are creepy.:lol and funny. this may be the best post i've read here on ST. Poor Kill_Bill_Panocha

[Blackjack]

Hey peeps,

I found DPG's post quite amusing also, but could we not quote him with the picture repeatedly?

My pants are becoming quite moist (and not in the good kind of way) from just scrolling down the page.

Thanks,

Blackjack

[D-ROB 50]

http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/_arquivo_hannibal_lecter-copy.jpg

Well, well, well KBP, how lovely to see you again. How does it feel to know that all your life's work has gone tumbling down the gaping hole known as your life. The empty, shallow and lonely nights spent working away, trying to earn the respect of your peers only to see your dreams dashed in the blink of an eye.

It is something that could have been avoided had you listened. "Advice when most needed is least heeded" KBP. I tried to warn you the path you were walking was a dangerous one, but once again you chose to ignore the signs all around you. Now you come back to me for help? I will not help you when you are capable of helping yourself KBP. Look at me. Look at me. The answers are and have always been right in front of your eyes; open them, use your mind and solve this case.

The answer to the question "why is the greek so important to you" will lead you to the solution. Now, if you do not mind, I have grown tired of your laziness. Come back to me when you are ready to learn.

you mean like this? sorry

[benefactor]

DPG...that was pure classic.

[stxspurs]

IB just emailed me back....

Dear stx,
i would very much like to play to spurs. not madrid or oly. sorry if english broke. tell jeff...i mean killbill i say OPA!!!!

IBS

Dear stx.
hello its me again....i lie....me no want to go to america and play for spurs....i like greek womans with unibrow. i stay here. OPA!!!!!

later sucker,
John

ps vagisil spatula will be spur in months....jeff set it up.

[GSH]

http://www.contra.gr/Basketball/Hellas/A1Basket/Olympiacos/242619.html

It looks like Bourousis has re-signed with Olympiacos.

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This is only a few minutes old - this site claims to have the details of the contract. They gave him exactly the 1.7M Euro per year he was asking for. Go figure.

http://www.krepsinis.net/news.php?news_id=110863

Piraeus' Olympiacos' club after lengthy negotiations, the team extended the contract with the Mid-striker Ioannis Bourousiu, published by the Greek media.

Reported that "Olympiacos" with aukštaūgiu signed a new three-year 5.1 million contract.

In the Euroleague last season symbolic five-elected Greek as well as actively tempt Real Madrid, and San Antonio "Spurs' team, but decided to stay in basketball country.

Bourousis Euroleague last season played 22 games, during which the area spent an average of 21 a minute, to earn 12.5 points, 7.4 atšokusio get the ball and carried out fruitful 0.7 transmission.


And that 22 game season, at 21 minutes per game has got to wear on him. I don't se how he has been able to hold up. Hell, no wonder all the Euro fans think guys should play summer ball. They have no clue what kind of toll an 82 game season, plus playoffs, really takes on our players.

[Mel_13]

This is only a few minutes old - this site claims to have the details of the contract. They gave him exactly the 1.7M Euro per year he was asking for.

http://www.krepsinis.net/news.php?news_id=110863

Piraeus' Olympiacos' club after lengthy negotiations, the team extended the contract with the Mid-striker Ioannis Bourousiu, published by the Greek media.

Reported that "Olympiacos" with aukštaūgiu signed a new three-year 5.1 million contract.

In the Euroleague last season symbolic five-elected Greek as well as actively tempt Real Madrid, and San Antonio "Spurs' team, but decided to stay in basketball country.

Bourousis Euroleague last season played 22 games, during which the area spent an average of 21 a minute, to earn 12.5 points, 7.4 atšokusio get the ball and carried out fruitful 0.7 transmission.

Thus proving that, despite the words and sentiments attributed to Bourousis and his agent, there was never any intention or desire to leave Greece.

Can't wait for KBP to explain away the duplicity.

[Blackjack]

Thus proving that, despite the words and sentiments attributed to Bourousis and his agent, there was never any intention or desire to leave Greece.

Can't wait for KBP to explain away the duplicity.

There's that, and there's also the very real possibility (and has been reported by someone I wouldn't call an authority but can't totally dismiss) that the Spurs never met with, (Pop was said to have visited) talked on the phone with, (Tony was said to have called and asked him to join) or ever made any kind of offer to Bourousis, at any point.

All of this could have very well been a ploy of an agent looking to drum up as much interest as possible, in order to get the contract they'd hoped for. (Not as much of a revelation, but a realization)

IBS, and all the of speculation about, really just turned out to be nothing more than a pain in the ass.

Go figure.:hat

[rayray2k8]

Hey KBP..
you still suck!! :lmao
Your material is worth shit!! :lol

[Mel_13]

There's that, and there's also the very real possibility (and has been reported by someone I wouldn't call an authority but can't totally dismiss) that the Spurs never met with, (Pop was said to have visited) talked on the phone with, (Tony was said to have called and asked him to join) or ever made any kind of offer to Bourousis, at any point.

All of this could have very well been a ploy of an agent looking to drum up as much interest as possible, in order to get the contract they'd hoped for. (Not as much of a revelation, but a realization)

IBS, and all the of speculation about, really just turned out to be nothing more than a pain in the ass.

Go figure.:hat

Agreed.

I believe that the timing of the agreement pretty much proves there was never any real offer from the NBA. It was all tactics by his agent. They had to get the deal done before July 1st or lose their leverage when the truth would become known.

If he had a verbal offer from the Spurs or another NBA team, he would have waited until after July 1 and used an actual offer to get a richer deal.

[GSH]

Q


"why am i singled out and judged different here?" "why does everyone one here always be so mean to me?"
A very


my friend in greece said that it was said in radio that real madrid manager said they offered bourousis contract and his agent and him told him they could not accept because he will be starting center for spurs next year!

Him and duncan will work with him individually. This seems to be the final aspect that will clinch that he going to the spurs

he is refusing to meet with olympiacos owners until he has the spurs offer after july 1. So that issue does not matter.

And stop all this stupid crap posts like "if he wanted to play with the spurs or in nba he would take less money" because he will be leaving $5.6 millions from real madrid to come to spurs.

I am still waiting for a link proving he said he will "stay in greece" or that he "signed with olympiacos".

Just like the us articles say things like... "bourousis does not want to play in the nba, he is just using the spurs to get more money from olympiacos". That is made up bull shit from a dumb ass writer with his own objectives.

So you can start appreciating and respecting him and stop talking about him like he is some scum or something.

It is not like nba where no one has to show any manners.

Just ignore the speculation parts, or you can say ignore what bruno posts.

I see how bruno and mountainballer are considered experts in this forum on "international basketball" when they are both wrong on just about everything they ever say.

You and bruno = political propaganda. Are you serious? Everyone else just ignore this nonsense.

Do you actually think that with the posts in these forums nba fans ever look like they know even the most basic things about basketball? Let me tell you they do not.

Anyone can just make up crap out of nothing and that is what most nba fans do when they talk about basketball outside us.

[benefactor]

^^^Pwned......

[jason1301]

take it for what it is but some Greek websites like contra.gr are reporting that Bourousis verbally agreed to stay with Olympiacos, the contract soon be signed by Monday,....

[TheProfessor]

So all the little KBP-loving kiss-asses with 20 posts can shut up now. Good.

At least Bourousis made this decision early on rather than letting it stretch on an on.

[timvp]

Kill_Bill_Pana
Last Activity: Yesterday 11:38 PM

:lol Suddenly now he's quiet.

At least come and blame Jeff Van Gundy and say that the Greek league is better than the NBA. Maybe throw in some posts about how Bursitis' contract is really worth $70 million if you factor in taxes and the exchange rate.

[mookie2001]

the greek league has more total smegma

[stxspurs]

i can hear it know....

KBP: its because of van gundy that greece players dont want to come over to america. he sit greece tmac and wouldnt let him come home. he promise starter and he never play. yanni brontosarus see this and decided to stay in oly. greece league> nba and vagisilius spatulaosus> kobe, wade.

why am i still pinked?????