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Nbadan
03-30-2005, 04:57 PM
BY ELIZABETHE HOLLAND
St. Louis Post-Dispatch


But the team symbol with the shortest drive to St. Louis won't make the trip. "Chief Illiniwek" will stay home at the University of Illinois.

The chief - a student in buckskins, feathery headdress and makeup - has become less visible at athletic events over the past five years or so. Except for the occasional road game, like the Braggin' Rights showdown here between Missouri and Illinois, he seldom leaves Urbana-Champaign. There, his appearances are mainly at football, volleyball and men's and women's basketball games, said Kent Brown, the university sports information director.

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Critics complain that an Indian mascot, particularly at a largely Caucasian campus, is racist and insensitive, and that 78 years of it is about 78 years too many.

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Meanwhile, a report last fall by the North Central Association, a school accreditation organization, said the university will face damage if the issue isn't resolved.

And earlier this month, opponents of the chief, including the Illinois Native American Bar Association, sued to get the trustees to end the chief's reign. They said he perpetuates a racial stereotype, violates Indians' rights and violates the board's own anti-discrimination policies.


more: Myrtle Beach Online (http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/news/nation/11266097.htm)

http://www.iwchildren.org/wknee/unpchief.gif

An editorial against the using of Indian symbols in Sports...


Opinion: very anti-Chief

I want to thank you in advance for reading what I have to offer. As an educator and scholar, and as a subject of the Sac and Fox First Nations from near Tama, Iowa, and descendent of the Potawatomi First Nations in Shawnee, Oklahoma, I support all efforts to retire Chief Illiniwek and the "Fighting Illini" name. Like others, I use the term "First Nation" (Indigenous works, too) rather than Indian, American Indian, or Native American. We are not "Indians" because we are not from India. Referring to us as "native" Americans really is disconcerting (as well as imprecise) because anyone born anywhere in the Americas in this and the last century rightfully can (and countless many do) claim "native-born" status.

With certainty, the name "Fighting Illini" is an uncomplimentary designation for the descendants of the First Nations earlier removed from what became the state of Illinois because it focuses only on aggressiveness and offers no context for the conflict or fighting. "The Chief" undeniably is racist. It is a red face re-formulation of nineteenth-century black face. Both the name and the symbol (or mascot) are symbolic manifestations of the lingering residue of European and (later) American semantic imperialism and racism. The label "Fighting Illini" is an oppressive and patronizing name for the Kaskaskia and Cahokia (whose present-day descendants are citizens of the Peoria-Miami First Nations located in Miami, Oklahoma) as well as other subjects of First Nations coercively displaced or forcibly removed from their lands by the terrorists who occupied their homes. Rather than engage in serious research, and serving ongoing colonialism, most academic historians have imposed the name "Illini" on these diverse peoples. Countless students and UIUC athletic team fans have uncritically accepted the authenticity of the name "Illini" as a signifier for now vanished First Nations. Used alone and only in reference to the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and its athletic teams, "Fighting Illini" has no redeeming cultural or social value that could make it a name to feel proud about. Think about it: English-language words synonymous with "fighting" include squabbling, rioting, and brawling, as well as offensive, belligerent, pugnacious, quarrelsome, and evil.

Thus, the name "Fighting Illini" is culturally demeaning. It, and its symbolic counterpart, Chief Illiniwek, are one-dimensional symbols that nourish what my colleagues at the University of Kansas, Cornel Pewewardy and Michael Yellow Bird (following Joyce King), have termed "dysconscious racism"--an uncritical habit of the mind that justifies inequity and exploitation by accepting the existing order of things as given. To valorize images of the "Fighting Illini" without soberly recognizing the degree to which the United States sought--and seeks--to summarily conquer, displace and remove, and control First Nations peoples cultivates dysconscious racism. Numerous scholars have written about its effects. Any institutionalized violation or manipulation (e.g., exploitation) of individual or group identity can be understood as a clear elucidation of oppression. UIUC in many ways is a powerful institution that exploits the identity of the Peoria and Miami (and other) First Nations. Oddly, UIUC also manipulates the identities of the First Nations located still today on the northern and southern Plains (in western Oklahoma and in north-central Nebraska, the Dakotas, and Montana)--the First Nations earlier made popular by wild west shows and Hollywood motion pictures. This all is the subject of a vast scholarship. Many scholars also have written about the role of empowering and disempowering images in shaping the identities (the many heterogeneous individual conceptualizations of self) among Indigenous young people. Once the idea is formed for a young person that she or he belongs to a devalued group (and in today's media-saturated culture this idea does not take long to form), then every subsequent event and encounter is processed through this lens.

People.KU.edu (http://people.ku.edu/~tyeeme/mascots.html)

What say you?

desflood
03-30-2005, 05:19 PM
Reminds me of my local high school. MHS Chippewas. Had a giant "Indianhead" painted on the side of the school. None of the local minorities (Native American and black) gave a damn about it one way or the other. But the entirely white school board voted unanimously that it was racist and replaced the logo, despite ACTIVE PROTESTS from the student body. The circumstances are different, of course, but it still reminds me of PC run amok.

Useruser666
03-30-2005, 05:51 PM
Let the students decide.

sickdsm
03-30-2005, 09:56 PM
Heard today that the NCAA sent a letter to a NC school regarding their nickname of Braves. Suggested they do a self evaluation on this degrading name. The school sent a letter back telling them to mind their own business. It was a school started by and for Indians and they were proud of it.

A town in North Dakota had to change their nickname. They used to be the red devils or satans or something like that. Now there known as the firebirds. Funny how they never changed the town name. I don't see how Devils Lake is cool but you can't have anything similar for your school.

RobinsontoDuncan
03-31-2005, 08:06 PM
the NFL team "The Redskins" is a horrible nickname, that's like having a team called "The ######s" (sp?) that should be priority #1 when it comes to removing racially abusive sports names/mascots.

sickdsm
03-31-2005, 10:08 PM
I never understood why people get all upset about names like that but the Fighting Irish doesn't make their blood boil.

Racist generalization: Irish drink too much and start fighting.

Sounds like a PC nickname to me.

desflood
04-01-2005, 11:07 AM
Here, it has nothing to do with drinking... now who's having racist thoughts? :lol

The Fighting Irish

Exactly where and how Notre Dame's athletic nickname, "Fighting Irish," came to origination never has been perfectly explained.

One story suggests the moniker was born in 1899 with Notre Dame leading Northwestern 5-0 at halftime of a game in Evanston, Ill. The Wildcat fans supposedly began to chant, "Kill the Fighting Irish, kill the Fighting Irish," as the second half opened.

Another tale has the nickname originating at halftime of the Notre Dame-Michigan game in 1909. With his team trailing, one Notre Dame player yelled to his teammates - who happened to have names like Dolan, Kelly, Glynn, Duffy and Ryan - "What's the matter with you guys? You're all Irish and you're not fighting worth a lick."

Notre Dame came back to win the game and press, after overhearing the remark, reported the game as a victory for the "Fighting Irish."

The most generally accepted explanation is that the press coined the nickname as a characterization of Notre Dame athletic teams, their never-say-die fighting spirit and the Irish qualities of grit, determination and tenacity. The term likely began as an abusive expression tauntingly directed toward the athletes from the small, private, Catholic institution. Notre Dame alumnus Francis Wallace popularized it in his New York Daily News columns in the 1920s.

The Notre Dame Scholastic, in a 1929 edition, printed its own version of the story:

"The term 'Fighting Irish' has been applied to Notre Dame teams for years. It first attached itself years ago when the school, comparatively unknown, sent its athletic teams away to play in another city ...At that time the title 'Fighting Irish' held no glory or prestige ...

"The years passed swiftly and the school began to take a place in the sports world ...'Fighting Irish' took on a new meaning. The unknown of a few years past has boldly taken a place among the leaders. The unkind appellation became symbolic of the struggle for supremacy of the field. ...The team, while given in irony, has become our heritage. ...So truly does it represent us that we unwilling to part with it ..."

Notre Dame competed under the nickname "Catholics" during the 1800s and became more widely known as the "Ramblers" during the early 1920s in the days of the Four Horsemen.

University president Rev. Matthew Walsh, C.S.C., officially adopted "Fighting Irish" as the Notre Dame nickname in 1927.


I copied this from Notre Dame's official website.