Kobe Haters - What will you do if Kobe wins one without Shaq?

[DrHouse]

Ever since '05 you have all been repeating nonstop that "Kobe can't win without Shaq".

Now what? There is no question he is the #1 player on the Lakers and leader of the team. He has taken HIS team to the promise land and is on the verge of winning his 1st ring post Shaq. He will likely grab the Final's MVP as well.

What will you do with your lives now that the one player you despise the most has done exactly what you said he couldn't do? How will you live :lmao

[kamikazi_player]

Fuck where's that Dr. House troll

[kamikazi_player]

Well, I probably hate Kobe as much as the next guy, but I give him props if he wins the championship, he deserves it this year.

[Gino]

Sum it up to injuries of Garnett and Ginobili and be done with it. :lol

[DrHouse]

Sum it up to injuries of Garnett and Ginobili and be done with it. :lol

ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:lmao Garnett's knees are broke, Pierce is a fat fuck, and Gay Allen is inching towards retirement. Boston is ONE AND DONE. Just like the Heat, Pistons, and countless other teams before them. Not dynasty material.

[kamikazi_player]

ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:lmao Garnett's knees are broke, Pierce is a fat fuck, and Gay Allen is inching towards retirement. Boston is ONE AND DONE. Just like the Heat, Pistons, and countless other teams before them. Not dynasty material.
This is why I hate Laker fans like you, we've already gave kobe props, but you intend to make this an argument with everyone else. :stfu

[Obstructed_View]

I'll be the first one to step up and give Kobe his props by publicly acknowledging that he's finally earned the right to be put ahead of Scottie Pippen on the all time greats list.

[kamikazi_player]

I'll be the first one to step up and give Kobe his props by publicly acknowledging that he's finally earned the right to be put ahead of Scottie Pippen on the all time greats list.
:lmao

[LnGrrrR]

He still raped a chick.... we have that to fall back on. :lol

[Clutch City 01]

Kobe is an classless A-hole in the playoffs and that's been proven so many times this year!

[Ghazi]

:wgaf:

[Spur-Addict]

My balls itch.

[daslicer]

Go to a bar, club, etc hang out have fun. Nothing really changes if he wins I have been through much worse then having to experience him win a title. I think on the other hand if the Magic somehow comeback and win this series you will definitely be on suicide watch.

[La Peace]

Cant win one without phil jackson or derek fisher.

[Roxsfan]

Kobe can't win one without shaq unless KG or Yao get hurt.

[DPG21920]

We will go to LakersGround and celebrate. Then hit up VaginaTalk and break bread with fans from other teams in order to celebrate Kobe fans.

[Ice009]

Well if Kobe wins it I'd have to say congratulations cause he is playing great and so are the Lakers. I wasn't impressed with them earlier in the playoffs at all, but now the Lakers are finally playing much better and look like the best team in the NBA at this point.

You also cannot forget about Boston who arguably could have still been the best team had KG not been injured.

[NewJerSpur]

I'm not a Kobe fan and I never care to see L.A. win it all, but this year wouldn't be as terrible as it has been in the past:

1) No Shaq & Kobe winning it all, just Kobe
2) If Kobe wins, he'll finally be tied with Duncan in the ring department, but not past him

All that said, LET'S GO MAGIC!!!

[2Cleva]

Kobe thrives on all our hate
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Hello, my name is Hate. I've been around for a long time. Thanks for creating me.

I'm here today to talk about Kobe Bryant. Yeah, you know, that dude. The one who keeps me alive, simply because of the way so many of you feel about him. You see, there's hate, and then there's the way millions feel about him. There's animosity, jealousy, anger … and then there's the way so many of you feel about him. And now that the conversation has come to the forefront -- about his place in history if he wins Championship No. 4 -- I have returned with a vengeance.

Yeah me, Hate -- I'm back. And it seems, thanks to you, I'm stronger than ever.

The funny thing about me is, my existence has nothing to do with basketball when it comes to Kobe Bryant. When people say they are rooting for the Magic strictly based on their hate for Kobe, or they just don't want the Lakers to win because of their hate for Kobe, 99.9 percent of the time basketball is not the reason.

It's his attitude -- he's arrogant and smug. He's selfish. He's phony. He thinks he's better than everyone.

The Colorado incident comes up -- it sits in the back of people's minds like a trump card in Bid Whist. The breakup of the Lakers dynasty? Blamed on him. Sides are still being chosen. Shaq comes up. Love him, hate the other. People have even said they like LeBron's Nike puppet more than Kobe's.

Now that's hate. That's me on a whole 'nother level.

Lemme breathe. Ahhhhhh. Feels good.

Kobe can't even have his wife and kids meet him when he comes off the court after home games without me dominating people's feelings. Why does he get to have his kids come give him a hug after the game, and none of the other players' families are allowed? Without even knowing the reason -- because it's him, and not, say, Derek Fisher -- I am allowed to reign over even his family portrait. And if he loses a game in this series, I'll be the "I told you so."

Now, some people have given the people who hold me against Kobe a name. They call them "Haters." Population in the millions. Outside of L.A., we stretch all across the globe. Now the Haters, they reach for reasons that do sometimes have something to do with basketball. He shoots too much. He's not a team player. He doesn't make anyone around him better. The 81 points didn't impress them -- that cemented their belief he's a ball hog. The MVP award last year went to the wrong player. The 40-point performance in Game 1 of this series? Whatever. And Lamar Odom was the reason the Lakers won Game 2. The hatred continues.

The Haters are blinded by one thing when it comes to Kobe: He's not Michael Jordan and he never will be. And they'll stand on that until the day they die.

So here I am, back in the Finals again, making my presence felt. Doing everything I can to find fault with Kobe Bryant, and fuel the fire against him getting another ring.

The problem with me is that, the more I'm thrown in his face -- the more you all allow me to play a role, the more you hold me against him -- the stronger I make him. I'm counterproductive when it comes to Kobe.

See, Kobe loves me. He loves the fact that I, Hate, play such a large role in his life. He didn't always feel this way -- he used to have a hard time understanding why I was always around. He didn't get it. What have I done to make people hate me so much? That's what he used to say to me in private moments. All he ever wanted to do is be considered the best player to ever ball. He thought, if he pushed himself hard enough, the world would appreciate him.

But it didn't. And now he doesn't give a damn. What you think about him is no longer one of his concerns. He's driven almost to the point of obsession with getting this fourth ring, not in spite of me, but because of me. He wants you to keep hating him. He calls me Nietzsche.

So please, people -- if you don't want Kobe to win this series, if you don't want to see him get his first Finals MVP, if you don't want to see his place in NBA history vault to an argument-free Top 10 All-Time status, then stop. Stop tossing me at Kobe Bryant. Because at this point, you all have made me the best thing that's ever happened to him.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=jackson/090608&sportCat=nba

[dbreiden83080]

I'll be the first one to step up and give Kobe his props by publicly acknowledging that he's finally earned the right to be put ahead of Scottie Pippen on the all time greats list.

:lmao:lmao

End of thread..

[cobbler]

Kobe can't win one without shaq unless KG or Yao get hurt.

To use a Yao injury to diminish any finals talk is to diminish ALL finals talk since he's been in the league. When is he not injured?

[SouthTexasRancher]

Give it a rest, Nurse Doublewide Trailer. It sure took the rapist a long time. Duncan and Shaq didn't take nearly as long. Shaq gets his fourth without the rapist and Duncan got his fourth the following year without either the rapist or the Original Superman. Maybe if the rapist would spend more time with his own wife he could have possibly picked up his fourth before now.

[cobbler]

Give it a rest, Nurse Doublewide Trailer. It sure took the rapist a long time. Duncan and Shaq didn't take nearly as long. Shaq gets his fourth without the rapist and Duncan got his fourth the following year without either the rapist or the Original Superman. Maybe if the rapist would spend more time with his own wife he could have possibly picked up his fourth before now.

And we should listen to you why? Because you have been invloved in 3 armed robberies and 2 murders?

[quickerblade]

Cant win one without Sasha Vujacic.

[21_Blessings]

Better yet, what will they do when Kobe repeats and surpasses Shaq and Duncan's ring total

[SouthTexasRancher]

And we should listen to you why? Because you have been invloved in 3 armed robberies and 2 murders?


I don't give a rat's ass whether you listen to me or not. Frankly speaking, all you fairy's from La La Land can just keep on hugging and kissing and '????'. or whatever else it is you weenies do with each other, for all I care. The fact remains exactly as I stated it in my original post. Duncan and Shaq got their 4th rings w/o the rapist.

BTW, learn how to spell, you moron. And I made my money without having to resort to the illegal activities, crackheads like you do to survive. Or is crystal meth the drug of choice out there in Fairywood aka La La Land?

[SouthTexasRancher]

Better yet, what will they do when Kobe repeats and surpasses Shaq and Duncan's ring total


The rapist has lucked out big time the past two seasons, what with Manu injured last season in the playoffs and ditto for this season. Also the Fakers lucked out with KG getting injured before the playoffs. Otherwise it would be 2-0 Celtics with the series going back to Boston where the Celtics would end up sweeping the girlieboyz from Fakerland. Looks like we'll have to put a big ol' * next to thie 2009 trophy! :lol

[SouthTexasRancher]

And for the record the Lakers will deserve this championship if they keep playing like they want it. The NO-Magic don't deserve anything when they just show up and let the Lakers run all over them. But, the fact remains, Kobe is a rapist.

[KSeal]

Two posts in a row by STR with no "La La Land Fakers", amazing.

[SouthTexasRancher]

Two posts in a row by STR with no "La La Land Fakers", amazing.

Well I had a cold beer in one hand, a woman on my other arm and was typing with my Texas size Pecker. I haven't taught it how to type all that fairy stuff. :ihit

[KSeal]

Well I had a cold beer in one hand, a woman on my other arm and was typing with my Texas size Pecker. I haven't taught it how to type all that fairy stuff. :ihit

:lol That explains it!

[SouthTexasRancher]

:lol That explains it!


Have a good one...I'm off to rest my brain. The little one on my shoulders.

[DrHouse]

SouthTexasRancher = No highschool education

And even if the Spurs had Ginobili they wouldn't be in the Finals. They would have lost to the Nuggets and the Lakers.

Face the facts, the Spurs just aren't very good anymore. And when half your team crosses 30, you can't keep using injuries as an excuse.

[underdawg]

Ever since '05 you have all been repeating nonstop that "Kobe can't win without Shaq".

Now what? There is no question he is the #1 player on the Lakers and leader of the team. He has taken HIS team to the promise land and is on the verge of winning his 1st ring post Shaq. He will likely grab the Final's MVP as well.

What will you do with your lives now that the one player you despise the most has done exactly what you said he couldn't do? How will you live :lmao

that argument's a moot point after the collusion of the Gasol trade - Kobe proved he couldn't win it by himself and West stepped in. Nice thread douche - Kobe on his own without Gasol, Odom, Bynum or Ariza.

[DrHouse]

LOL so now Kobe has to win the title with no players around him.

:lmao you guys are classic :toast

[Banzai]

The rapist has lucked out big time the past two seasons, what with Manu injured last season in the playoffs and ditto for this season. Also the Fakers lucked out with KG getting injured before the playoffs. Otherwise it would be 2-0 Celtics with the series going back to Boston where the Celtics would end up sweeping the girlieboyz from Fakerland. Looks like we'll have to put a big ol' * next to thie 2009 trophy! :lol
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[underdawg]

LOL so now Kobe has to win the title with no players around him.

:lmao you guys are classic :toast

throwing in Bynum and Ariza was probably too much, but please don't act like it's such an unfair comparison of having Gasol and Odom to having Shaq. Kobe had his chances with a lot of the same type of scrubs (minus Horry) they had when Shaq was there and he couldn't get it done period.

Poor fakers - they are a top market team and can only win half of the finals they appear in

[Ice009]

Better yet, what will they do when Kobe repeats and surpasses Shaq and Duncan's ring total

Tim and Shaq are both still better than Kobe.

One of them might have 6-8 rings if the other didn't win the other 4. Shit Tim could have already had 6 rings even with Shaq around if it wasn't for some shit in 2004 and 2006.

Kobe is a great player, but he's not better than Tim and Shaq in their primes.

It's not about being a Kobe hater. What do you think about this?

[Avitus1]

Cant win one without phil jackson or derek fisher.

LMAO!:toast

[IronMexican]

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That shit sucked

[Yuixafun]

Kobe will still have had an elite big man alongside him.

Pau Gasol... and Odom ain't shabby. Ariza is coming into his own. D.Fish is proven and hungrier than ever.

So even if it's not with Shaq, it's somewhat the equivalent.

Now if Kobe won with Smush Parker and Mihm and other assorted fecal matter then that would have been praiseworthy.

It's hard for me to applaud when the Lakers have the most talent, everyone picked them to win, especially after Boston lost Garnett for the season.

[Lakers999]

to be honest.... i think spurs fans will be crying knowing that theyre team is fucked for another year cas of cap restraints....kobe, bynum, pau, odom and ariza might nab number 11 in 2010

[TheMACHINE]

Kobe will still have had an elite big man alongside him.

Pau Gasol... and Odom ain't shabby. Ariza is coming into his own. D.Fish is proven and hungrier than ever.

So even if it's not with Shaq, it's somewhat the equivalent.

Now if Kobe won with Smush Parker and Mihm and other assorted fecal matter then that would have been praiseworthy.

It's hard for me to applaud when the Lakers have the most talent, everyone picked them to win, especially after Boston lost Garnett for the season.


LOL...u thougt Gasol was "Elite" when he was in memphis? :lol

Its also hard for me to applaud the Spurs since they had alot of talent. Now if Tim Duncan won without Ginobli, Parker or Robinson then they would be praiseworthy.

See what i did there?

[Lakers999]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/d7/fullj.21448b10cb4916b6109dc0ec291f5ceb/21448b10cb4916b6109dc0ec291f5ceb-getty-88316650ab015_lakers_travel.jpg


it looks like kobe is jacking off to sun yue youporn window on his laptop

[playaslk]

If by "I made my money" you mean getting your allowance to go buy BBs for your air rifle and shooting dad's Naty Light cans off the family Ford truck, then yeah, I guess you deserve a pat on the back.

Note to you: no one uses "weenies", get out of 4th grade, although being the oldest guy in there probably makes you feel good.

[InK]

We are all gonna bow down infront of an annoying reaction seeking spurs forum trolling Lakers fan?

[z0sa]

3 rings as the main man > 1 ring as the main man during the most injured postseason in NBA history.

Make that 4 for Timmy, Parker's FMVP aside.

[TheMACHINE]

3 rings as the main man > 1 ring as the main man during the most injured postseason in NBA history.

Make that 4 for Timmy, Parker's FMVP aside.

as if the Spurs were going to do anything with ginobli anyways. Have fun with 2 decades of ringless seasons.

[z0sa]

as if the Spurs were going to do anything with ginobli anyways.

Probably more than Houston would have. Oh yeah, HOU took LA to the brink :lmao


Have fun with 2 decades of ringless seasons.

i'll be laughing at this within 2-3 years after Tim has added another to collection.

[TheMACHINE]

Probably more than Houston would have. Oh yeah, HOU took LA to the brink :lmao



i'll be laughing at this within 2-3 years after Tim has added another to collection.


And Dallas eliminated you guys...:lol

I'll be waiting 2-3 years...then i can eat crow right.. ;)

[z0sa]

And Dallas eliminated you guys...:lol

Because we had major injuries, like every other contender. LeBrons may or may not count.


I'll be waiting 2-3 years...then i can eat crow right.. ;)

Lack of health is all that can stop it. :ihit

[benefactor]

He took a 50 win team and made them a 60 win team. Impressive.

:wakeup

[TheMACHINE]

Because we had major injuries, like every other contender. LeBrons may or may not count.



Lack of health is all that can stop it. :ihit

is that what stopped them in even years?

[ambchang]

It would be even more hilarious arguing with clueless Laker fans about Kobe > Jordan topics, with them saying Gasol is talentless despite his 20/10 averages, and Odom showing up big against the Nuggets.

[Killakobe81]

You last few hanging on to te hate is funny to me.
I agree Duncan deserves the most praise in this argument because he has won the most rings with out a true Superstar next to him. Manu is the closest ...and Parker is on his way but he won 4 with a streaky but clutch manu as the 2nd best player for only 3 of them and an agiing robinson as the other ...
SO Duncan is best of this decade if Kobe wins he is 2nd ...
Shaq is great but couldnt wn woithout Kobe or wade THAT is what you guys should be focusing on Shaq didnt win with Penny, edie jones van exel, Scott Grant etc. or nash amare etc .
HE is the one that needs a HOF'er more than Duncan or Kobe ...

[Killakobe81]

It would be even more hilarious arguing with clueless Laker fans about Kobe > Jordan topics, with them saying Gasol is talentless despite his 20/10 averages, and Odom showing up big against the Nuggets.

No argument from me ... Jordan & Magic are better than Kobe ...in fact, Kobe is not the greatest Laker much less the GOAT

[Gino]

You last few hanging on to te hate is funny to me.
I agree Duncan deserves the most praise in this argument because he has won the most rings with out a true Superstar next to him. Manu is the closest ...and Parker is on his way but he won 4 with a streaky but clutch manu as the 2nd best player for only 3 of them and an agiing robinson as the other ...
SO Duncan is best of this decade if Kobe wins he is 2nd ...
Shaq is great but couldnt wn woithout Kobe or wade THAT is what you guys should be focusing on Shaq didnt win with Penny, edie jones van exel, Scott Grant etc. or nash amare etc .
HE is the one that needs a HOF'er more than Duncan or Kobe ...

Um, Shaq has been to the finals twice without Kobe and had to beat some really good teams (the Bulls with Jordan, the Pistons in 06) to get there.

Kobe was gift-wrapped a title thanks to injuries to mulitple teams and STILL nearly screwed it up.

How do you need 7 games to defeat the Yao-less, McGrady-less rockets? Or how do you explain his crappy performance in game 2.

Pathetic.

[dirk4mvp]

Because we had major injuries, like every other contender. LeBrons may or may not count.





So did the Mavericks, like every other contender. LeBrons may or may not count.

[MiamiHeat]

lol

[DrHouse]

Kobe can't win without Shaq.

[Yuixafun]

Kobe can't win one without shaq unless KG or Yao get hurt.


lovely lady humps

[Yuixafun]

LOL...u thougt Gasol was "Elite" when he was in memphis?

Give 15 big men better than him in the NBA.

So if he's in the top 15 in the NBA and the NBA is the greatest league in the world, that would make him elite.

And he ain't on Memphis anymore players get better. Live and learn.

After the missing the final game and Spain winning without him, and then last year losing in the finals in a blowout in Boston, plus hearing about how soft he is for the past 2 years.. I'm sure this dude has taking all that and used it as fuel to improve.

So the fact remains Kobe still has an elite big man next to him, plus an Odom and a proven D.Fisher, plus maturing before our eyes Ariza, and throw in Bynum too.

[DollarSlice]

Here's an interesting article (http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/vince_thomas/06/08/kobe/?cid=playoff1)... Is Kobe's legacy sealed whether he wins a ring or not?

[DeadlyDynasty]

Give 15 big men better than him in the NBA.

So if he's in the top 15 in the NBA and the NBA is the greatest league in the world, that would make him elite.

And he ain't on Memphis anymore players get better. Live and learn.

After the missing the final game and Spain winning without him, and then last year losing in the finals in a blowout in Boston, plus hearing about how soft he is for the past 2 years.. I'm sure this dude has taking all that and used it as fuel to improve.

So the fact remains Kobe still has an elite big man next to him, plus an Odom and a proven D.Fisher, plus maturing before our eyes Ariza, and throw in Bynum too.

Fisher has been a liability in the playoffs...that Houston series would've been over in 5 if we had a quick defensive PG starting

[stretch]

No argument from me ... Jordan & Magic are better than Kobe ...in fact, Kobe is not the greatest Laker much less the GOAT

I think Kobe is arguably a better basketball player than Magic. My only issue with Kobe, has never been his skills or capabilities... its his leadership. I think it's consistently been questionable and streaky. At times he looks like a natural born leader, other times he looks lost and gives up. He settles for bad jumpshots far too often. That's the real issue with him IMO... he often leans on the jumper to set him up for drives, when it really should be the other way around... leaning on easy buckets and interior points, to open up the jumpshot late in games when defenders are tired, he is tired, and the team is entirely focused on not giving up easy buckets to him.

MJ was always better at driving, drawing fouls, and instilling a fear in his opponents, often getting their interior defenders into foul trouble, forcing them to back off or foul out late in games.

If Kobe was the relentless driver that MJ was, they wouldn't have lost to the Pistons or Celtics, and there would be much more legit comparisons between him and Jordan. I've always thought Kobe was a damn good player, and my only issue with him has been his thought process between when to drive, when to shoot, and when to pass.

I think its very possible that MJ, Kobe, and Lebron could go down as the 3 greatest players in NBA history.

[Budkin]

Can't win without Gasol?

[Yuixafun]

Fisher has been a liability in the playoffs...that Houston series would've been over in 5 if we had a quick defensive PG starting

Yea but recently he's been making those little plays that win games, like that steal in overtime in game 2.


Btw your sig is amazing.

[ambchang]

Fisher has been a liability in the playoffs...that Houston series would've been over in 5 if we had a quick defensive PG starting

It is not enough that the team has one of the best center in the league, a backup center Laker fans touting as the next Duncan at the beginning of the year, a versatile PF, three point shooters, and all, you have to have a good PG as well.

Well that just says how good Kobe is right there.

[DrHouse]

I'm a H-A-T-E-R

[Gino]

If the Lakers win a title, does that mean that Im cool? Does that mean that Im NOT a loser? Please send me a message and let me know.

Will do!

[DrHouse]

I'm a H-A-T-E-R

[z0sa]

I'm a B-I-T-C-H

[TampaDude]

Ever since '05 you have all been repeating nonstop that "Kobe can't win without Shaq".

Now what? There is no question he is the #1 player on the Lakers and leader of the team. He has taken HIS team to the promise land and is on the verge of winning his 1st ring post Shaq. He will likely grab the Final's MVP as well.

What will you do with your lives now that the one player you despise the most has done exactly what you said he couldn't do? How will you live :lmao

Well, it HAS been SEVEN YEARS since he won a title, so it's not really hate, just telling it like it is. It's looking like he'll finally get it done this year. Yes, the Lakers' road this year has been easier than most, but it's not the Lakers' fault that the other teams had injuries. Kobe and the Lakers BETTER win the title this year...they have no excuses if they don't.

[TampaDude]

I can't believe players (and refs) still fall for that Kobe lean in. :lol

[TampaDude]

Lakers will sweep.

[Showtime24 LAKERS]

damn straight! :lol

[Killakobe81]

Um, Shaq has been to the finals twice without Kobe and had to beat some really good teams (the Bulls with Jordan, the Pistons in 06) to get there.

Kobe was gift-wrapped a title thanks to injuries to mulitple teams and STILL nearly screwed it up.

How do you need 7 games to defeat the Yao-less, McGrady-less rockets? Or how do you explain his crappy performance in game 2.

Pathetic.

UM GENIUS ...Shaq has been to two Finals without Kobe ... won one. WIth a TON of support from Alonzo on defense and Wade on offense. He got swept in the other. Kobe has NEVER been swept in the FINALS ...
IF he wins he has same number of titles as Shaq same # of MVp's

If you said he falls short of Duncan THEN y ou have an argument but hitching your hopes and dreams on the Diesel and you come up short ...

[ChrisRichards]

i have a feeling magic will win the series. lakers under kobe's lead just folds at the finals:toast

[Lars]

Nothing will really change for me. Name me a time he was the underdog and overacheived. It just seems he always has had the most talent around him and has consistantly underacheived when the favorite vs having success when he was underdog.

His accomplishments just aren't that impressive.