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duncan228
06-11-2009, 06:51 PM
Didn't see this posted, apologies if I missed it.

Does Kobe rule the decade? (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/Does_Kobe_rule_the_decade.html)
Mike Monroe

In the final minute of Tuesday's NBA Finals Game 3, televised close-ups of Kobe Bryant revealed a player mouthing curses, anger directed inward.

The Lakers superstar had missed a critical, late free throw, which made him 5 for 10 on free-throw attempts, incredulous at temporary frailty under duress.

Could it be Bryant now understands how dominant Tim Duncan and Shaquille O'Neal have been over the past 10 seasons, during which each managed to anchor a team that won four NBA titles while simultaneously fearing the foul line?

Depending on your geography or personal bias, the Lakers are either a few Bryant free-throw conversions from an unbeatable 3-0 advantage or one Courtney Lee lob-layup miss shy of a 1-2 deficit in a best-of-7 series that will remain in central Florida for two more games.

Fact is, L.A. holds home-court advantage even if the Magic win Games 4 and 5. That makes Bryant the favorite to earn his fourth championship, his first without O'Neal as a teammate.

When, and if, this happens, expect plenty of experts to declare Bryant the most dominant player of the past 10 years.

Will a fourth title really affirm his ascendancy as the defining player of this era?

Your opinion may depend on the span of your memory.

Wasn't it just two years ago that the Spurs won their fourth championship behind Duncan's play?

Can we be just three years removed from O'Neal's fourth title run, after he became the piece Dwyane Wade and the Heat needed to secure a championship?

Some NBA eras have been simple to define:

The early years belonged to George Mikan, who led the Minneapolis Lakers to five titles, from 1949-54.

Bill Russell dominated from his rookie season, 1956-57, until he retired, with 11 rings, after serving as Celtics player-coach on the 1969 title team.

Michael Jordan dominated from 1990-98, when he led the Bulls to two three-peats that were sandwiched around his stepping away from the game to dabble at baseball.

Duncan's championship run began in 1999, which puts a neat, 10-year punctuation mark on the latest era. But it is an era akin to the 1980s, when Larry Bird and Magic Johnson shared dominance.

Steve Kerr won three titles as a teammate of Jordan's, in 1996, '97 and '98; then two more alongside Duncan, in 1999 and 2003. As general manager of the Suns, he traded for O'Neal. This gives him a unique perspective to judge this latest, arbitrarily assigned stretch of NBA history.

Kerr, though, swatted the opportunity like an overhead smash on the tennis court.

The Suns' GM said he passed some time during a recent trans-Atlantic flight by reading a newspaper article that compared tennis star Roger Federer, whose French Open men's singles championship was his 14th Grand Slam title, to all-time greats Pete Sampras and Rod Laver.

“I finished the article,” Kerr said, “and thought: This is impossible. Whether it's comparing eras or players, the obvious answer is: They're all great players.

“So: Tim, Shaq, Kobe? They're all dominant. Who's more dominant? It's impossible to say.”

Perhaps there is an alternate answer in the debate. A Lakers championship will give Derek Fisher his fourth title, too. Had Fisher not hit the infamous zero-point-four shot that beat the Spurs in Game 5 of the 2004 Western semifinals, Duncan and the Spurs may have gone on to a second straight title, then a three-peat, in 2005.

Then, there would be no debate at all. The years from 1999-2009 would be the Duncan era, plain and simple.

Maybe Fisher, with one clutch basket, changed the decade as much as the players involved in this debate have.

024
06-11-2009, 07:07 PM
duncan has won four NBA championships, 2 regular season MVPs, and 3 finals MVPs in the last decade. so the obvious answer is no.

Duncan2177
06-11-2009, 07:13 PM
Does Kobe rule the decade? HELL NO

200 miles
06-11-2009, 07:17 PM
duncan has won four NBA championships, 2 regular season MVPs, and 3 finals MVPs in the last decade. so the obvious answer is no.

Just to be impartial, with the 'decade' spanning from 2000-2009, it is Duncan actually winning 3 NBA championships, 2 regular season MVPs, and 2 Finals MVPs. But still Duncan beats Kobe in this regard.

Fabbs
06-11-2009, 07:18 PM
Due to the stenchifideness of the title can this thread be moved to the NBA forum section?

Or changed to "Does Duncan Rule The Decade?"?

sorry duncan228, just wanting to keep any Kobme stuff in its proper place.

duncan228
06-11-2009, 07:22 PM
Due to the stenchifideness of the title can this thread be moved to the NBA forum section?

Or changed to "Does Duncan Rule The Decade?"?

sorry duncan228, just wanting to keep any Kobme stuff in its proper place.

I put it here because Duncan is part of the conversation. I'm sure it will be moved if it doesn't belong here.

And, I usually use article headlines for thread titles. :)

024
06-11-2009, 07:38 PM
Just to be impartial, with the 'decade' spanning from 2000-2009, it is Duncan actually winning 3 NBA championships, 2 regular season MVPs, and 2 Finals MVPs. But still Duncan beats Kobe in this regard.
true, but "decades" are pretty arbitrary. boston's dynasty spanned from 1959-1966, winning 8 championships at that time. one doesn't cut off the boston championship won in 1959 and call it a different time. the article should go by eras. the NBA is currently in the post jordan/lockout era. and until another dynasty is established or the lakers and spurs stop winning championships, this era is still belongs to the lakers/spurs.

HarlemHeat37
06-12-2009, 12:52 AM
Duncan and Shaq are clearly ahead, even if he wins it this year..winning 1 as the #1 doesn't overshadow 4 and 3..

spurscenter
06-12-2009, 02:05 AM
didnt i start a thread about this a while back? lol

mudyez
06-12-2009, 03:05 AM
who to hell is that kobe guy? never heard of him

is he from japan?

Spurm
06-12-2009, 10:27 PM
Kobe is WAY BETTER than the tin man you sorry spurm fans!! Live with it

Titles this decade.

Lakers 4
spurms 3

*99 is not part of this decade

That's your answer dumbasses!

Spurm
06-12-2009, 10:28 PM
Lakers three-peated the spurms couldn't even make back-to-back appearances in the Western Conference Finals...much less the finals...

Kobe indeed rules this decade

rayray2k8
06-12-2009, 10:31 PM
The lakers as a team, yes.
Kobe... No.

afireinside20
06-13-2009, 08:14 PM
Duncan rules the decade!!!

Frenzy
06-13-2009, 09:37 PM
The lakers as a team, yes.
Kobe... No.
:tu

wisnub
06-14-2009, 02:52 PM
Tim Duncan ruled NBA for almost 9 good years. But I honestly admit this year and last one belong to Kobe...Kobe is undeniable one of the best player in the league (the other two are Lebron and Dwight). Everyone try to talk down Kobe is just in a state of denial. Kobe doesnt rule the decade, but he is ruling the NBA now for sure!!! Spurs kingdom is in the brink of jeopardy, if FO didnt make the right offseason moves. This year will be the biggest year for FO, because other teams are getting better..the league is not getting any softer.

mudyez
06-17-2009, 12:30 AM
Lakers 4
spurms 3

*99 is not part of this decade


funny thing is: `00 isn't either :)

NewcastleKEG
06-17-2009, 12:53 AM
Duncan is the #1 player but another Kobe title and especially Finals MVP and he could over jump him. Get on it Tim !

Thomas82
06-17-2009, 07:08 AM
does kobe rule the decade? Hell no

+1

Texas_Ranger
06-17-2009, 07:26 AM
No way!

fyatuk
06-17-2009, 07:48 AM
funny thing is: `00 isn't either :)

Yeah, officially decades (and centuries, and millenia) end on 0's, so this decade would be 2001-2010. But some people might mean it to be the last 10 years, or starting on the 0. It's hard to figure out without clarifification from the person who is talking, since there are plenty of options on what they need.

Most people tend to assume 0-9 as a decade because it makes logical sense when talking about the 80s, or 90s, etc. '80-'89 makes more sense as the decade of the '80s than 81-90 like it really should be.

robert1886
06-17-2009, 09:11 AM
timmy has done more with less than kobe ever will.....they have had the best talent of any team for the last couple of years

Avitus1
06-17-2009, 10:53 PM
Doesn't Shaq have 4 rings he made this decade also? Didn't he make them in a shorter time then Kobe?

Spursfan092120
06-17-2009, 10:56 PM
Lakers three-peated the spurms couldn't even make back-to-back appearances in the Western Conference Finals...much less the finals...

Kobe indeed rules this decade
lol Louis

Spursfan092120
06-17-2009, 10:56 PM
Kobe is WAY BETTER than the tin man you sorry spurm fans!! Live with it

Titles this decade.

Lakers 4
spurms 3

*99 is not part of this decade

That's your answer dumbasses!
lol Louis

Nathan Explosion
06-17-2009, 11:03 PM
The answer is simple. Duncan rules the decade. The Sports guy posted a chart showing the winningest players ever. Duncan had a higher and regular winning percentage than Shaq and Kobe didn't even make the list. Elias Sports Bureau provided the numbers.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/090522/part2&sportCat=nba

Check it out here. It's a little less than halfway down. Read the question and then his response. Funny thing is, Parker, Duncan and Gino all make the list, with Gino being highest and Parker lowest. However, anyone who's followed the Spurs know that Duncan's been the alpha dog on the Spurs since 99.

So there are the cold hard facts. Duncan in a landslide.

Sad part is no one mentions Duncan as a top 10 player ever, yet everyone wants to anoint Kobe as one.