Two Days Before 9/11, Military Exercise Simulated Suicide Hijack Targeting New York

[Galileo]

Two Days Before 9/11, Military Exercise Simulated Suicide Hijack Targeting New York

Filed under: Complete 911 Timeline, Document Collection — kevinfenton @ 7:19 am

The US military conducted a training exercise in the five days before the September 11 attacks that included simulated aircraft hijackings by terrorists, according to a 9/11 Commission document recently found in the US National Archives. In one of the scenarios, implemented on September 9, terrorists hijacked a London to New York flight, planning to blow it up with explosives over New York.

The undated document, entitled "NORAD EXERCISES Hijack Summary," was part of a series of 9/11 Commission records moved to the National Archives at the start of the year. It was found there, and posted to the History Commons site at Scribd, by History Commons contributor paxvector, in the files of the commission’s Team 8, which focused on the failed emergency response on the day of the attacks. The summary appears to have been drafted by one of the commission’s staffers, possibly Miles Kara, based on documents submitted by NORAD.

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[doobs]

They really didn't think this through, did they?

[FromWayDowntown]

If you're convinced that the government was behind the collapses of the buildings in New York (and presumably, the attacks themselves), then what sense does it make for the same government to have conducted drills in the hopes of preparing for the attacks that they were planning? If that government was intending to do whatever your conspiracy theory suggests, it would seem more likely that it would want as little resistance as possible and not a military that had just trained for the very sort of attack the government was planning.

As you might expect, this sounds entirely coincidental and entirely reminiscent of the fact that a similar sort of drill was taking place (or was scheduled to take place) on the morning of September 11, 2001.

[Winehole23]

I've heard it said that the drills were *cover* for the confused NORAD response, not that that ever pierced my own cynicism/agnosticism about 9/11.

[Galileo]

If you're convinced that the government was behind the collapses of the buildings in New York (and presumably, the attacks themselves), then what sense does it make for the same government to have conducted drills in the hopes of preparing for the attacks that they were planning? If that government was intending to do whatever your conspiracy theory suggests, it would seem more likely that it would want as little resistance as possible and not a military that had just trained for the very sort of attack the government was planning.

As you might expect, this sounds entirely coincidental and entirely reminiscent of the fact that a similar sort of drill was taking place (or was scheduled to take place) on the morning of September 11, 2001.

Coup d'etats and inside jobs often take place under the cover of a drill.

[Winehole23]

Coup d'etats and inside jobs often take place under the cover of a drill.Example?

[ChumpDumper]

example?9/11!

[Winehole23]

I'm sorry. I meant, what are some of the OTHER examples?

[ChumpDumper]

I'm sorry. I meant, what are some of the OTHER examples?I know, I just wanted to compete the circle.

[Winehole23]

And it was funny. I just wanted to foreclose the possibility G would do it too.

[Galileo]

Example?

The plot to kill Hitler is one example.

[Winehole23]

The plot to kill Hitler is one example.You said often. What are the other examples?

[ChumpDumper]

They bombed Hitler during a drill to practice bombing Hitler?

[Galileo]

They bombed Hitler during a drill to practice bombing Hitler?

No, I'm talking about the plot in the summer of 1944.

[doobs]

No, I'm talking about the plot in the summer of 1944.

As I recall, it didn't end well.

[Galileo]

You said often. What are the other examples?

The 7/7 bombings.

[ChumpDumper]

No, I'm talking about the plot in the summer of 1944.Ok, so how does having everyone prepared for a simulated hijacking make anyone less prepared for an actual hijacking?

All that has to be done is have someone clarify that it's not a drill. Takes five seconds.

[Galileo]

As I recall, it didn't end well.

No, it didn't work out, but the plot was conducted under the cover of a drill. A great movie on the topic just came out last winter starring Tom Cruise, called Valkerie.

[ChumpDumper]

No, it didn't work out, but the plot was conducted under the cover of a drill. A great movie on the topic just came out last winter starring Tom Cruise, called Valkerie.Breaking News.

[Galileo]

Ok, so how does having everyone prepared for a simulated hijacking make anyone less prepared for an actual hijacking?

All that has to be done is have someone clarify that it's not a drill. Takes five seconds.

While most of the military personel in the drill are honest patriots, a few of them are part of a conspiracy.

[ChumpDumper]

While most of the military personel in the drill are honest patriots, a few of them are part of a conspiracy.That was not my question.

Please answer the question:

Ok, so how does having everyone prepared for a simulated hijacking make anyone less prepared for an actual hijacking?

[Winehole23]

The 7/7 bombings.Was that a coup d'etat?

[Galileo]

Was that a coup d'etat?

No, it was an inside job.

If you are interested in coups, I suggest:

Coup d'État: A Practical Handbook (Paperback)
by Edward N. Luttwak
http://www.amazon.com/Coup-d%C3%89tat-Practical-Edward-Luttwak/dp/0674175476

[Galileo]

That was not my question.

Please answer the question:

Ok, so how does having everyone prepared for a simulated hijacking make anyone less prepared for an actual hijacking?

It makes them more prepared, all the more reason to not believe it was an outside job.

[BlackSwordsMan]

jesus christ practiced coming back from the dead a week before dying O_O

[ChumpDumper]

It makes them more prepared, all the more reason to not believe it was an outside job.So if anyone is prepared to prevent a crime, they must be guilty of committing that crime.

[Nbadan]

...if I remember correctly, NORAD as well as the DOD had trouble discerning if the 9/11 attacks were simulated or real, that certainly bought the hijackers valuable time..

[ChumpDumper]

You remember incorrectly.

[Nbadan]

well, as long as YOU say so...

[Nbadan]

meanwhile in the real world..


In the background, however, you can make out the sound of Jeremy Powell, then 31, a burly, amiable technical sergeant, fielding the phone call that will be the military's first notification that something is wrong. On the line is Boston Center, the civilian air-traffic-control facility that handles that region's high-flying airliners.

08:37:52


BOSTON CENTER: Hi. Boston Center T.M.U. [Traffic Management Unit], we have a problem here. We have a hijacked aircraft headed towards New York, and we need you guys to, we need someone to scramble some F-16s or something up there, help us out.
POWELL: Is this real-world or exercise?
BOSTON CENTER: No, this is not an exercise, not a test.

Vanity Fair - The 9/11 Norad tapes (http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/08/norad200608?currentPage=2)

[Nbadan]

08:37:56


watson: What?
Dooley: Whoa!
Watson: What was that?
Rountree: is that real-world?
dooley: Real-world hijack.
Watson: Cool!

[ChumpDumper]

Exactly -- see how quick that was?
POWELL: Is this real-world or exercise?
BOSTON CENTER: No, this is not an exercise, not a test.When would anyone not ask that question for verification?

[ChumpDumper]

dan has shown that ten seconds were spent verifying whether 9/11 was a drill.

Bravo!

[Nbadan]

"When they told me there was a hijack, my first reaction was 'Somebody started the exercise early,'" Nasypany later told me. The day's exercise was designed to run a range of scenarios, including a "traditional" simulated hijack in which politically motivated perpetrators commandeer an aircraft, land on a Cuba-like island, and seek asylum. "I actually said out loud, 'The hijack's not supposed to be for another hour,'" Nasypany recalled. (The fact that there was an exercise planned for the same day as the attack factors into several conspiracy theories, though the 9/11 commission dismisses this as coincidence. After plodding through dozens of hours of recordings, so do I.)

[Nbadan]

08:57:11


NASYPANY: Think we put the exercise on the hold. What do you think? [Laughter.]

20 minutes...and NORAD is now finally sending planes into the sky right? right?

[Nbadan]

wrong...

09:04:50


—Is this explosion part of that that we're lookin' at now on TV?
—Yes.
—Jesus …
—And there's a possible second hijack also—a United Airlines …
—Two planes?…
—Get the fuck out …
—I think this is a damn input, to be honest.

PLAY | PAUSE | STOP

The last line—"I think this is a damn input"—is a reference to the exercise, meaning a simulations input. It's either gallows humor or wishful thinking. From the tape, it's hard to tell.

[Nbadan]

While the second plane strikes Tower 2....


Meanwhile, flying southwest over the ocean, the two fighters from Otis Air National Guard Base are streaking toward Manhattan. The pilots are startled, to say the least, when they see billowing smoke appear on the horizon; no one's briefed them about what's going on. They were scrambled simply to intercept and escort American 11—a possible hijacking—and that is all they know.

"From 100 miles away at least, we could see the fire and the smoke blowing," Major Dan Nash, one of the F-15 pilots, told me. "Obviously, anybody watching CNN had a better idea of what was going on. We were not told anything. It was to the point where we were flying supersonic towards New York and the controller came on and said, 'A second airplane has hit the World Trade Center.' … My first thought was 'What happened to American 11?'"

...but CD says there way no ambiguity! :lmao

[mookie2001]

dam chump all over your face

again.

[Marcus Bryant]

You fuckers amuse me. Despite the evidence of state incompetence which abounds, somehow it is capable of pulling off a highly sophisticated plot which would require thousands of individuals to keep quiet about it. Here's a tip. Take a bath, shave, and find a way to leave mom's house.

[ChumpDumper]

While the second plane strikes Tower 2....



...but CD says there way no ambiguity! :lmaoDid it delay or stop any response to the 9/11 attacks more than a few seconds?

Yes or no.

If yes, please provide the documentation of the time lost.

[ChumpDumper]

08:57:11



20 minutes...and NORAD is now finally sending planes into the sky right? right?NORAD wouldn't send planes into the sky there. You've gotten them confused with NEADS.

But we never expect you to get anything right.

[Wild Cobra]

Galileo, you are pitiful. I heard about this seven years ago, been rehashed over and over between now and then, but the idea behind the exercise always changes by you tweekers. Yes, tweekers, rather than twoofers. You guys have to be high on some pretty nasty stuff to keep believing as you do.

Please stop reinventing old news. I my put you on IGNORE like I do the perverted asses here.

[Nbadan]

You fuckers amuse me. Despite the evidence of state incompetence which abounds, somehow it is capable of pulling off a highly sophisticated plot which would require thousands of individuals to keep quiet about it. Here's a tip. Take a bath, shave, and find a way to leave mom's house.

Look, if everyone did their own small part people could have done it and not realized the enormity of what they were participating in...not saying it happened that way, just that it could have...

[Nbadan]

Did it delay or stop any response to the 9/11 attacks more than a few seconds?

Yes or no.

If yes, please provide the documentation of the time lost.

Whatever it was, conspiracy or not, it successfully compromised air safety over the continental U.S.....20, 30, 40 minutes....nukes could have been flying...

[ChumpDumper]

Nukes?

What the hell are you talking about?

[Nbadan]

Nukes?

What the hell are you talking about?

Oh sure....I'm not allowed to embellish....

[ChumpDumper]

So you'll be fitting the ten second drill distraction into your comprehensive theory of what really happened on 9/11, right?

[Nbadan]

I'm still trying to figure out who the perverted ass are...

[DarrinS]

You fuckers amuse me. Despite the evidence of state incompetence which abounds, somehow it is capable of pulling off a highly sophisticated plot which would require thousands of individuals to keep quiet about it. Here's a tip. Take a bath, shave, and find a way to leave mom's house.

:lmao

[LnGrrrR]

Look, if everyone did their own small part people could have done it and not realized the enormity of what they were participating in...not saying it happened that way, just that it could have...

That's how the Cube was built, right?

[Galileo]

You fuckers amuse me. Despite the evidence of state incompetence which abounds, somehow it is capable of pulling off a highly sophisticated plot which would require thousands of individuals to keep quiet about it. Here's a tip. Take a bath, shave, and find a way to leave mom's house.

9/11 may have been privitaized. Presidential and Senate campaigns are already privitized.

Fail.

If Bush is so incompetent, how did he get elected president twice, plus he was also elected governor?

[FromWayDowntown]

Look, if everyone did their own small part people could have done it and not realized the enormity of what they were participating in...not saying it happened that way, just that it could have...

And lo, almost 8 years later, none has spoken about having undertaken some part of this vast conspiracy that resulted in the myth that we now call the 9/11 attacks. None has spoken, despite the fact that any sort of book or tell-all disclosing such explosive details would make the whistleblower far wealthier than any off-the-books payout by the mastermind might.

I agree with MB about inplausibility of a conspriacy in light of the known incompetence of government; but I've never understood how what would necessarily have been a far-reaching conspiracy could be shrouded in maintained silence for such a long period of time with so much money at stake. Incompetence tells me it couldn't have happened, but self-interest tells me that it didn't happen.

[Nbadan]

I agree with MB about inplausibility of a conspriacy in light of the known incompetence of government; but I've never understood how what would necessarily have been a far-reaching conspiracy could be shrouded in maintained silence for such a long period of time with so much money at stake. Incompetence tells me it couldn't have happened, but self-interest tells me that it didn't happen.

Depends on what you believe...I believe that people are capable of keeping secrets or at least keeping them to their death-beds...you want proof - the JFK Assassination...

[Nbadan]

...this would be made especially easy to do if they were foreigners...

[Galileo]

And lo, almost 8 years later, none has spoken about having undertaken some part of this vast conspiracy that resulted in the myth that we now call the 9/11 attacks. None has spoken, despite the fact that any sort of book or tell-all disclosing such explosive details would make the whistleblower far wealthier than any off-the-books payout by the mastermind might.

I agree with MB about inplausibility of a conspriacy in light of the known incompetence of government; but I've never understood how what would necessarily have been a far-reaching conspiracy could be shrouded in maintained silence for such a long period of time with so much money at stake. Incompetence tells me it couldn't have happened, but self-interest tells me that it didn't happen.

What's your evidence that it was a vast conspiracy?

An inside job requies fewer people than an outside job.

[FromWayDowntown]

What's your evidence that it was a vast conspiracy?

An inside job requies fewer people than an outside job.

I've never said it was anything other than a conspiracy by 19 terrorists and their benefactors to hijack planes and fly them into occupied buildings.

I'm not sure why it's my burden to demonstrate that it was anything other than that. You're the one telling me it was a conspiracy; tell me what the details of that conspiracy were (or what you believe them to be). If you're so sure it was such a conspiracy, putting that in a single post really shouldn't be very difficult at all.

You guys are long on theory but short on details. And you have this remarkable knack for insisting that those who disagree with you should somehow disprove the theories you'll only disclose in the broadest of strokes.

Mostly, however, I was responding to Dan's idea that a conspiracy would be easy to pull off if you had people doing small jobs in aid of such a conspircy and the fact that given the enormity of the 9/11 attacks, it would take a massive team to so granulate the work of such a conspiracy. That makes it extremely difficult for me to believe that all of the working parts could be kept silent for nearly a decade with the incentives for whistleblowing that clearly exist.

[Blake]

An inside job requies fewer people than an outside job.

it didn't require very many terrorists working together to take down the towers.

In this case it would absolutely take more people for it to be the kind of inside job you are constantly suggesting it is.

[Galileo]

it didn't require very many terrorists working together to take down the towers.

In this case it would absolutely take more people for it to be the kind of inside job you are constantly suggesting it is.

How did the Arab terrorists sneak 50 tons of thermite past security?

[Blake]

How did the Arab terrorists sneak 50 tons of thermite past security?

there was no thermite being sneaked in.

....but if there was, how many insiders would it require to 'sneak in' 50 TONS of thermite?

[Galileo]

there was no thermite being sneaked in.

....but if there was, how many insiders would it require to 'sneak in' 50 TONS of thermite?

There was, it was found by an international team of scientists. Security was compromised.

[ChumpDumper]

There was, it was found by an international team of scientists. Security was compromised.That "international team of scientists" found red paint.

How does red paint bring down buildings?

[Blake]

There was, it was found by an international team of scientists. Security was compromised.

cmon, we've already been over this and you lose every time.

I want to know how many insiders it takes to get 50 tons of thermite past security.

The world may never know.

[Marcus Bryant]

9/11 may have been privitaized. Presidential and Senate campaigns are already privitized.

Fail.


Yes, you failed to spell privatized correctly. Twice.

So now the state was no longer in on the fantastical plot, but rather a victim itself?

Go rub one out.

[coyotes_geek]

cmon, we've already been over this and you lose every time.

I want to know how many insiders it takes to get 50 tons of thermite past security.

The world may never know.

By my calculations all you need are 10,000 operatives each smuggling in 10 pounds of thermite using the pregnant lady / fake belly trick. Who's going to notice 10,000 pregnant ladies trying to get into the WTC?

[BacktoBasics]

dan has shown that ten seconds were spent verifying whether 9/11 was a drill.

Bravo!
If were only talking about 10 seconds then why were they unable to respond within the expected time.

[BacktoBasics]

No problem responding in other instances.


These standard procedures were activated on 67 occasions in the period from September 2000 to June 2001 (see, FAA news release, 8/9/02; AP, 8/13/02); and in 129 cases in the year 2000 (see, Calgary Herald, 10/13/01). These figures were released by FAA and NORAD officials to the press in 2002.

[Galileo]

That "international team of scientists" found red paint.

How does red paint bring down buildings?

sure they did. PhD chemists can't tell thermite from paint under a microscope.

[ChumpDumper]

If were only talking about 10 seconds then why were they unable to respond within the expected time.What is the expected time?

By the time word got to NEADS, the first plane had already hit. There was a lot of confusion about where to send any planes after that since there were multiple reports of hijackings, difficulty tracking the planes that were hijacked, and the civilian and military systems for plotting aircraft were quite different at the time.

[ChumpDumper]

PhD chemists can't tell thermite from paint under a microscope.Not those "scientists".

[Galileo]

Not those "scientists".

You have nothing. The thermite paper is a scientific masterpiece, on par with papers by Pasteur and Maxwell.

More papers will follow. You're done.

[Marcus Bryant]

Pasteur and Maxwell were in on the plot. If you disagree, you have "nothing."

Clearly this was a case of the Illuminati, in concert with the Jews, Masons, CIA, Captain Kangaroo, and Rock Hudson enacting their evil plot for global domination.

[Marcus Bryant]

By my calculations all you need are 10,000 operatives each smuggling in 10 pounds of thermite using the pregnant lady / fake belly trick. Who's going to notice 10,000 pregnant ladies trying to get into the WTC?

Details, details...the predictable fog of lies spread by the Illuminati.

[FromWayDowntown]

You have nothing. The thermite paper is a scientific masterpiece, on par with papers by Pasteur and Maxwell.

More papers will follow. You're done.

I'm still waiting to have you spell out your conspiracy theory in something other than broad strokes (that is, something other than your belief that there was a conspiracy). If you're so certain of it, it really shouldn't be terribly difficult to provide even a general rundown of some details.

I'll wait to read your sure-to-be-forthcoming tome.

[ChumpDumper]

You have nothing. The thermite paper is a scientific masterpiece, on par with papers by Pasteur and Maxwell.Too bad they didn't rule out red paint. That would have been at least competent.


More papers will follow. You're done.I look forward to them. They are funny as shit.

[Rappin Granny]

Truth seekers 10

Head in the sand don't want the truth posters 5

[FromWayDowntown]

Yeah, still waiting on Galileo . . . .

[FromWayDowntown]

. . . . and waiting . . . .

[FromWayDowntown]

. . . . and waiting . . . .

[Marcus Bryant]

Maybe the secret wondrous thermite paper will be discovered in the Vatican archives written in code on an old piece of Galileo's toilet paper.

[sam1617]

I'm pretty sure the guy from the grassy knoll was in charge of this conspiracy.

[Galileo]

. . . . and waiting . . . .

Are you waiting for Galileo or for Godot?

[FromWayDowntown]

Are you waiting for Galileo or for Godot?

for you to explain what you believe to be the details of the 9/11 conspiracy that you're so certain of.

[Blake]

I want to know how many insiders it takes to get 50 tons of thermite past security.


CG has provided the only plausible method so far.

[Galileo]

for you to explain what you believe to be the details of the 9/11 conspiracy that you're so certain of.

what details?

[DarrinS]

Galileo,

You and Nbadan might want to consider choosing a conspiracy that's not so easily shot down by evidence and common sense.

[Homeland Security]

You all are seriously debating with a man who tried to plead not guilty by reason of mental defect for his fourth DUI charge.

Rolf is a mentally unhinged drunk. Let him go on dwelling in his happy 9/11 twoofer place. Maybe he won't pee on himself this time.

[Homeland Security]

Hey Rolf, when you post these threads, are you stoned, drunk, or both?

[Homeland Security]

Oh, BTW, the insanity plea came after the "I was nervous about being filmed for a documentary" excuse and the "I didn't hurt anybody" excuse, but before the "operatives working for the governor of Wisconsin are trying to frame me" excuse.

Of course, I might be an operative working for Jim Doyle myself.

[FromWayDowntown]

You all are seriously debating with a man who tried to plead not guilty by reason of mental defect for his fourth DUI charge.

Rolf is a mentally unhinged drunk. Let him go on dwelling in his happy 9/11 twoofer place. Maybe he won't pee on himself this time.

I'm not debating anyone. I'm just asking our friend Galileo to explain the conspiracy that he believes led to what we've apparently mythologized as the 9/11 attacks.

Again, if this conspiracy is so obvious and indisputable, even a broad outline of its details (who, how, why, to begin with) should be quite simple.

[Homeland Security]

I'm not debating anyone. I'm just asking our friend Galileo to explain the conspiracy that he believes led to what we've apparently mythologized as the 9/11 attacks.

Again, if this conspiracy is so obvious and indisputable, even a broad outline of its details (who, how, why, to begin with) should be quite simple.
So if a lady living on the street covered in her own feces claims to be the Queen of Sweden, will you ask her to explain how she came to ascend the throne, or will you just pity the poor crazy lady?

[Blake]

I want to know how many insiders it takes to get 50 tons of thermite past security.


....if there were actually 50 tons of thermite....