A day of mourning for the Mav nation, and a Dirk appreciation thread

[Ghazi]

Today marks the 3 year anniversary of the worst call in the history of the NBA. the NBA temporarily died at this point, when an unjustified champion was crowd due to obvious one sided officiating, but luckily was rejuvenated with an infusion of young superstar talent and emergence of big market teams such as the Lakers and Celtics.

The beloved Mavs, up 1 in a critical game 5 against the Miami Cheat, Cheat ball. D-Whistle aimlessly drives to the basket, probably carrying/traveling along the way, and gets bailed out by a phantom call with 1.9 seconds left, the call made by one of the worst officials in the league, Bennett Salvatore.

The preceding play before this was Dirk's brilliant shot over Shaq. A shot that would live in infamy if not for the worst call in history.

The Heat won this game and after a similarly poorly officiated game in Dallas, won the NBA Championship.

Wouldn't it have been a beautiful story? A lone superstar, an unconventional foreign power forward, guiding a young, deep talented team to a championship? With a game 7 win on the defending champs home court, a 50 point performance in Game 5 against the Suns, and his beautiful shot to give the Mavs a 3-2 lead with 2 games left @ home?

Instead we get a primadonna wheelchair bitch and his group of veteran washed up assholes celebrating at the AAC. Indeed I must say, there is no God that this was allowed to happen by Salvatore.

The call in all likelihood has caused Dirk to be considered a "choker", "soft"... and I swear it, I've seen figureheads in the past suggest Terry or Howard are the best player on the Mavs. I swear to fucking God I've seen it.

It will now be said, Dirk was never capable of leading a team to a title, he was just an overachieving Robin. Indeed it would be blasphemous if not for the worst call in Finals history.

In reality, Dirk is considered soft because of his humility and skin color. Dirk is considered a choker due to xenophobia.

But let us not dwell and mourn, let us take this time to appreciate the best European player of all time and the best power forward in the game. I think the Mav nation takes beloved Dirk for granted sometimes... after all, I've seen mono suggest trading him in packages for unproven scrubs like Anthony Randolph and Tyrus Thomas, I've seen mavsfan1000 suggest Josh Howard is the best player on the Mavs, I've seen some other cocksucker compare Dirk Nowitzki to Allen Iverson with regard to impact on game being less than stats. Did you guys know Dirk has made all-NBA team the past 9 times? Kobe and Duncan are the only other 2 who have done that. Pretty impressive feat by our beloved German. And they will say, but Kobe/Duncan have rings... and we will say, if you say that, fine... but be aware of the circumstances that robbed Dirk of a ring. and keep that in mind in your criticism of him.

I don't wanna focus on the heartbreak, let's just enjoy the good times this generation of men in blue have had. And God willing, Dirk's dream of an NBA championship, a dream that should have been fulfilled 3 years ago will be fulfilled with our MEN in blue in the near future.

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If you're still mourning:

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And here's a little prayer I made up:


Diiiiiiirk has dieeeeeeed
Diiiiiirk has riseeeeeen

Diiiiiirk will come agaiiiiiin

[mavs>spurs2]

Awesome thread. I'll always refer to the 2006 Mavs as NBA champs. Fuck the Dirk haters, he's our finals MVP.

[duncan228]

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[timvp]

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[Rogue]

This thread rants louder than any condemn against the Miami Cheat. If there was a presidential campaign in the Mavs Nation, I would definitely give my votes to Ghazi's team. No matter who are possessing the rings and O'Brien cup, I still and will forever consider the Mavs as the champions of 06.

[monosylab1k]

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[kingmalaki]

I would say this thread has some merit, as far as Dirk being unfairly labeled a choker....but he proved that he was in the following playoffs when he was basically running from the ball against the Warriors. Do you not recall the flameout that year, where his coach was basically saying you can't be a scary ass and be a leader?

And the Game 7 win in SA was more about Manu being a dumbass. The Spurs had that game won...but he was an idiot and comitted a touch foul.

[Jacob1983]

Dirk gets too much hate. He's done a lot more in the playoffs in his career than Nash, Carmelo, Bosh, Amare, Arenas, TMAC, Yao, Paul, and many other players yet Dirk is always the one being called a choker.

[Ghazi]

I would say this thread has some merit, as far as Dirk being unfairly labeled a choker....but he proved that he was in the following playoffs when he was basically running from the ball against the Warriors. Do you not recall the flameout that year, where his coach was basically saying you can't be a scary ass and be a leader?

And the Game 7 win in SA was more about Manu being a dumbass. The Spurs had that game won...but he was an idiot and comitted a touch foul.

I would like to think GS should be considered an exception to the rule rather than the rule itself.

The rule is that Dirk is a fine playoff performer. 25/11 averages, FG%/scoring average increasing in elimination games, undefeated in Game 7's, etc.

Yes, he doesn't have a ring. Let's keep in mind why though. BUt even then, any great player who hasn't won a ring should be considered a choker?

Choker is just a dumb term really. Intelligent basketball minds shouldn't use it in analysis of players.

[monosylab1k]

And the Game 7 win in SA was more about Manu being a dumbass. The Spurs had that game won...but he was an idiot and comitted a touch foul.

Funny, they had an entire 5 minutes of overtime to correct that one mistake and still couldn't do it.

[Thompson]

And the Game 7 win in SA was more about Manu being a dumbass. The Spurs had that game won...but he was an idiot and comitted a touch foul.

That, and the fact that... the refs called the foul on Manu (as they should have) but 4 seconds later they ignored Mavs hanging on to Tim's arms as he tried to dunk. Overtime.

[GuerillaBlack]

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...but it seems some Mavs has been on this...

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[monosylab1k]

My guess is that this particular Rocket fan is still bitter about that 40 point ass raping the Mavs gave the Rockets the last time those 2 teams met in a Game 7.

[dougp]

I thought Duncan fouling out after getting stepped on would have been a bad call, Refs were just making it up for you fucktards.

[monosylab1k]

That, and the fact that... the refs called the foul on Manu (as they should have) but 4 seconds later they ignored Mavs hanging on to Tim's arms as he tried to dunk. Overtime.

Yeah if it wasn't for the refs & David Stern being in love with Mark Cuban and letting his team have every call in that series, the Spurs would have swept the Mavs.

[monosylab1k]

Because we all know that all David Stern & the refs want is to make Mark Cuban happy.

[kingmalaki]

Dirk gets too much hate. He's done a lot more in the playoffs in his career than Nash, Carmelo, Bosh, Amare, Arenas, TMAC, Yao, Paul, and many other players yet Dirk is always the one being called a choker.


It's because of how he flamed out in the biggest stage (similar to Karl Malone), and then he backed it up the following year by basically running from the ball for half the series against a #8 seed. You can't honestly tell me you watched the Mavs/Warriors series and didn't think Dirk was choking and basically running from the ball. What exactly should we call a player who wins the MVP by scoring 25 on 50% and 42% on threes and 90% on freebies, is on a team with the #1 record in ball and facing an 8 seed, and then does this in the postseason:

Game 1 - shot 4-16 in a loss at home, missed both 3's and 2 ft's
Game 3 - shot 7-16 in a loss on the road, missed his lone 3 and 2 ft's
Game 6 - shot 2-13 in an elimination game and is held to 8 freaking points

If that's not choking then I don't know what is. His own coach basically said "Baron Davis has a lot of heart, and I wish we had some of that on my team".

[Thompson]

Yeah if it wasn't for the refs & David Stern being in love with Mark Cuban and letting his team have every call in that series, the Spurs would have swept the Mavs.

Cuban became disliked by Stern in part because of the way he acted towards officials that year. He was fined a great deal, but he got his money's worth out of that series. Y'all claim in a perfect world you would have won the 2006 Finals. In a perfect world, you wouldn't even have been in them.

[kingmalaki]

I would like to think GS should be considered an exception to the rule rather than the rule itself.

The rule is that Dirk is a fine playoff performer. 25/11 averages, FG%/scoring average increasing in elimination games, undefeated in Game 7's, etc.

Yes, he doesn't have a ring. Let's keep in mind why though. BUt even then, any great player who hasn't won a ring should be considered a choker?

Choker is just a dumb term really. Intelligent basketball minds shouldn't use it in analysis of players.

No...just the ones who fail to bring it in the biggest moments. Using Karl Malone as an example again, he was also a great playoff performer, but he had 2 shots to win a ring and played below par on both occassions. When the games were the most important, he wilted. The same goes for Dirk in those 2 years. I normally don't like to throw the choke word around, but that display against the Warriors was one of the worst that I have seen from a franchise player. Dirk looked like he didn't even want to be out there.

[Ghazi]

Let's not turn this into a Spurs fans whining about '06 officiating thread.

This is a day of mourning for the Mavs nation, and at the same time, an appreciation of the greatest PF in the NBA today.

and KING MALAKI for the SECOND time, '07 Warriors series "should" be an EXCEPTION to the rule, not the rule itself. And can we disregard the fact that teh Warriors team was an 8 seed? That team wasn't "actually" a fucking 8 seed.

[kingmalaki]

My guess is that this particular Rocket fan is still bitter about that 40 point ass raping the Mavs gave the Rockets the last time those 2 teams met in a Game 7.

Nope, not bitter. I have no problems admitting we got our asses kicked....no need for excuses. Maybe you should apply the same logic to admitting that Dirk failed you in 06 and 07....especially in 07.

[monosylab1k]

Cuban became disliked by Stern in part because of the way he acted towards officials that year. He was fined a great deal, but he got his money's worth out of that series. Y'all claim in a perfect world you would have won the 2006 Finals. In a perfect world, you wouldn't even have been in them.

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[monosylab1k]

Nope, not bitter. I have no problems admitting we got our asses kicked....no need for excuses. Maybe you should apply the same logic to admitting that Dirk failed you in 06 and 07....especially in 07.

I've had no problems admitting that. Maybe you should know who you're talking to before assuming that Ghazi and I share the same opinions on Dirk & the Mavericks.

I just find it funny how gleeful Rockets fans get when talking about Dirk being a choker. Forgetting of course, that they got absolutely murdered in a Game 7 by said choker. Forgetting that they have a choker of their own that makes Dirk look Robert Horry clutch in comparison. Or maybe they didn't forget, and they're just happy to call him a choker because they're bitter about how their own team has failed & choked.

*Cue bragging about their shitty 15 year old titles won when Jordan was playing baseball*

[kingmalaki]

Let's not turn this into a Spurs fans whining about '06 officiating thread.

This is a day of mourning for the Mavs nation, and at the same time, an appreciation of the greatest PF in the NBA today.

and KING MALAKI for the SECOND time, '07 Warriors series "should" be an EXCEPTION to the rule, not the rule itself. And can we disregard the fact that teh Warriors team was an 8 seed? That team wasn't "actually" a fucking 8 seed.

Why should it be an exception is my question? Players don't exactly get that many moments to be judged on, as far as if they are clutch or not. Now, I will admit that sometimes folks can unfairly be criticized for playing bad in one series (see David Robinson in 95), but on the flip side, we gladly anoit these guys as big-time players based on the same limited number of events (see Wade in 06, the Celtics after last year, etc).

When I think of Dirk in the postseason, that Warriors series is the first thing that comes to my head. Just like when I think of Karl Malone the first thing I see is him bricking those FT's in the Finals, or when I think of Magic it's the baby hook in 85, or when I think of Stockton it's the dagger he hit to send Utah to the Finals in 97, or when I see Robinson it's Hakeem drilling him in 95. Players don't get that many chances to show whether they have "it" or not.

[GuerillaBlack]

My guess is that this particular Rocket fan is still bitter about that 40 point ass raping the Mavs gave the Rockets the last time those 2 teams met in a Game 7.

Yes.

I still cry about it to this day.

[kingmalaki]

I've had no problems admitting that. Maybe you should know who you're talking to before assuming that Ghazi and I share the same opinions on Dirk & the Mavericks.

I just find it funny how gleeful Rockets fans get when talking about Dirk being a choker. Forgetting of course, that they got absolutely murdered in a Game 7 by said choker. Forgetting that they have a choker of their own that makes Dirk look Robert Horry clutch in comparison. Or maybe they didn't forget, and they're just happy to call him a choker because they're bitter about how their own team has failed & choked.

*Cue bragging about their shitty 15 year old titles won when Jordan was playing baseball*

Hmm, that's a whole lot of assuming going on there. Stick with it if it makes you happy.

Yep, T-Mac makes Dirk look like Bird. At the end of the day both never delivered....but I never saw a Rockets star look that frazzled in the postseason. Not getting it done and not even wanting to get it done are two different things.

[Thompson]

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[Ghazi]

My point stands.

If the worst call in Finals history wasn't made, even with the events of the 2007 Warriors series, Dirk would not be considered a choker. How can you consider an NBA champion a choker? You can't. NBA Champions are winners, "choker" is a term synonymous with losing.

I've seen Bryant, the Spurs, Billups, etc etc... fucking etc... come up short on big stages a few times. But, they have rings, therefore get a free pass... and you know what? They should get a free pass, because they've proven they can win.

Therefore, our beloved Dirk SHOULD get a pass for the Warriors series because he SHOULD have won a ring in 2006.

This is the simple point we're trying to make, in our thread appreciating the greatness of Dirk Nowitzki.

Again, "choke" is just a dumb term that I dislike using in intelligent basketball discussions. Sometimes, players just miss shots down the stretch. Sometimes, players, even great players, just don't play well in key games.

[KidCongo]

Going by the title of the thread I thought Dirk got traded.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

What you reap is what you sow, 2006 was the definition of Karma coming back to get you losers after the shit the Spurs went through in the conference semis.

"Dirk, out of control, steps on duncan's foot, ohhhh! joey crawford calls a foul from the complete opposite side of the court, Duncan's fouled out!! it's 40 games in 40 nights drama here on TNT!!!"

Fuckers. Way to crown the shittiest champion in nba history. Those heat were a joke.

[La Peace]

Mavs have always been 2006 NBA champs in my eyes

Dirk = FINALS MVP, you're preaching to the choir Gaz

Seriously.

In 2007 they fuckin sucked but hey, we all fuckin suck sometimes.

[Basketballgirl25]

Dirk is considered soft
I just say Dirk is soft because when I watch him in games I always see him take fadeaways, I hate players who do that I like to see a little contact. Other then the fadeaways his is good, not as good as WADE though:toast

[nevitt_&_smrek]

Mavs fans should mourn is why their team felt it was a better idea to continuously shoot jumpers instead of going to the basket. Why was their superstar hiding from the ball instead of being assertive?

[Basketballgirl25]

mav fans shouldn't be mourning 2006 anymore, mavs didn't win end of story. You can say they COULD, SHOULD, WOULD, but it's the past, nothing with change the fact they don't have a ring just got to move on, I'm sure DIRK has

[dirk4mvp]

lol at being one of a handful of players in nba history avg'ing 25 and 10 in the playoffs being a choker


lol at high and mighty rocket fans talking shit after finally getting out of the 1st round in a decade.

[cornbread]

I've seen Bryant, the Spurs, Billups, etc etc... fucking etc... come up short on big stages a few times. But, they have rings, therefore get a free pass... and you know what? They should get a free pass, because they've proven they can win.


There's nothing free about it. They earned their championships and places in history. A free pass would probably be more like Dirk being included in the same class as these guys being that he hasn't been able to lead his team to a championship. The fact that a Dirk-led Mavs team was like 8 minutes away from going up 3-0 in the Finals and couldn't manage to win even one more game doesn't really help his case.

Dirk has his MVP and that's awesome, but he's not a champion. To get champion cred, you need to actually win a championship.

The best part is where you said that he's considered a choker because he's white. This didn't seem to be a problem for Jerry "Mr. Clutch" West and Larry Bird. Maybe they got a free pass too. :lol

[dirk4mvp]

Jerry "Mr. Clutch" West


It's pretty awesome he got that name for one bullshit shot that he ended up losing anyway. So stuff like this means shit.

[Spursfan092120]

Mavs fans...you should learn this one

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[JustBlaze]

:lol

[Laker Lanny]

It's not a total loss Dirk did end up with a.....


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[cornbread]

It's pretty awesome he got that name for one bullshit shot that he ended up losing anyway. So stuff like this means shit.

Whatever helps you sleep better at night.




MFFL!

[dirk4mvp]

Whatever helps you sleep better at night.




MFFL!

Thanks for agreeing with me.

[baseline bum]

So you're blaming one legit call for two Miami wins? :lol

LOL 4-2

[cornbread]

Thanks for agreeing with me.

Whatever helps you sleep better at night.

[Ditty]

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lol losing on your home court
lol devin harris
lol up 2-0
lol lucky enough to get to the finals
lol not even see the finals cuz both team sucked
lol 1 wester confernce championship

[dirk4mvp]

Whatever helps you sleep better at night.

Thanks, again.

[cornbread]

Thanks, again.

I think you're confused. But hey, whatever helps you sleep better at night.:lol

[dirk4mvp]

I think you're confused. But hey, whatever helps you sleep better at night.:lol

Dirk's hit more clutch shots than West.

[cornbread]

Dirk's hit more clutch shots than West.

How many Jerry West games have you watched? Or are you just completely talking out of your ass?

[Ghazi]

So you're blaming one legit call for two Miami wins? :lol

LOL 4-2

More like 8-10 illegit calls or so in Games 5 and 6 that are the difference between winning and losing in games that were decided by 1 point and 3 points.

[mavs>spurs2]

More like 8-10 illegit calls or so in Games 5 and 6 that are the difference between winning and losing in games that were decided by 1 point and 3 points.

Hell, it may have been more than that. I recall Wade falling down after shooting regular jumpers with the defender just backing away leaving him wide open and still getting the and 1.

[monosylab1k]

So you're blaming one legit call for two Miami wins? :lol

Explain how that call is legit. What Devin Harris did on that play is irrelevant, he didn't get called for the foul.

[TheProfessor]

In reality, Dirk is considered soft because of his humility and skin color. Dirk is considered a choker due to xenophobia
:wtf