SLAM magazine updated TOP 50 Players EVER

[NewcastleKEG]

50.) Steve Nash.
49.) Walt Bellamy.
48.) Dennis Rodman.
47.) Earl Monroe.
46.) Bob McAdoo.
45.) George Gervin.
44.) Dave Cowens.
43.) Dominique Wilkins.
42.) LeBron James.
41.) Clyde Drexler.
40.) Billy Cunningham.
39.) Allen Iverson.
38.) Gary Payton.
37.) Jerry Lucas.
36.) Patrick Ewing.
35.) Walt Frazier.
34.) Dolph Schayes.
33.) Nate Thurmond.
32.) Wes Unseld.
31.) Willis Reed.
30.) Kevin Garnett.
29.) George Mikan.
28.) Jason Kidd.
27.) Scottie Pippen.
26.) Kevin McHale.
25.) David Robinson.
24.) Bob Cousy.
23.) Elvin Hayes.
22.) John Stockton.
21.) Rick Barry.
20.) Charles Barkley.
19.) Isiah Thomas.
18.) Karl Malone.
17.) John Havlicek.
16.) Moses Malone.
15.) Julius Erving.
14.) Bob Petit.
13.) Hakeem Olajuwon.
12.) Kobe Bryant.
11.) Elgin Baylor.
10.) Jerry West.
9.) Larry Bird.
8.) Tim Duncan.
7.) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
6.) Magic Johnson.
5.) Oscar Robertson.
4.) Shaquille O'Neal.
3.) Bill Russell.
2.) Wilt Chamberlain.
1.) Michael Jordan.

[duncan228]

Some conversation here:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128620

[DPG21920]

I think they got #1 wrong. Why is Kobe not there?

[pauls931]

Jason Kidd seems a bit high on that list to me... Surprised to see nash on there at 50.

[21_Blessings]

50.) Steve Nash.


:lol

[ambchang]

Kobe and Shaq over Hakeem is sheer insanity.
Barkley and Hayes over Robinson?
Shaq over Magic?
Oscar and Shaq over Kareem?

There is too much fail in this "article".

[NewcastleKEG]

Some conversation here:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128620
fuck, sorry. Didn't see it

[duncan228]

fuck, sorry. Didn't see it

It's all good. :)

It was quite the conversation, I thought you might be interested in it.

[robbie380]

kobe and lebron are waaaay too low and hakeem is waaaay too high. and where is steve francis? garnett should be in the top 5 just on his intensity alone. and srsly why is j kidd at 28? that guy should be somewhere around jerry west. for fucks sake he only averaged 13.8 ppg and 9.2 apg on 40% field goal %....what the hell does a guy have to do to get in the top 10 of all time? shoot over 41%? fuck that!

[iggypop123]

im canceling my subscription just because they had nash at 50. pathetic

[024]

shaq shouldn't be that much ahead of duncan. i can entertain the argument that shaq was slightly better than duncan in their primes. however, both won four championships, 3 finals mvps, but duncan won one more mvp than shaq.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Kevin Johnson > Steve Nash

[baseline bum]

shaq shouldn't be that much ahead of duncan. i can entertain the argument that shaq was slightly better than duncan in their primes. however, both won four championships, 3 finals mvps, but duncan won one more mvp than shaq.

To be fair, Shaq was robbed in 01. Then again, so was Duncan in 99.

[dirk4mvp]

Looking at that list, there's no way Dirk shouldn't be on it.


Nash being on that list is debatable, but Rodman?

[TheMACHINE]

Fixed

13.) Hakeem Olajuwon.
12.) Oscar Robertson
11.) Elgin Baylor.
10.) Jerry West
9.) Kobe Bryant
8.) Larry Bird.
7.) Tim Duncan.
6.) Shaq O'neal
5.) Magic Johnson.
4.) Kareem Abdul Jabbar
3.) Bill Russell.
2.) Wilt Chamberlain.
1.) Michael Jordan.

[Spursfan092120]

Fixed

13.) Hakeem Olajuwon.
12.) Oscar Robertson
11.) Elgin Baylor.
10.) Jerry West
9.) Kobe Bryant
8.) Larry Bird.
7.) Tim Duncan.
6.) Shaq O'neal
5.) Magic Johnson.
4.) Kareem Abdul Jabbar
3.) Bill Russell.
2.) Wilt Chamberlain.
1.) Michael Jordan.
Serious question...Shaq above Tim? Why? How? I'm being very serious.

[sook]

Why the fuck does everyone overrate Shaq so much? He is more like the 4th best C ever

[Spursfan092120]

Why the fuck does everyone overrate Shaq so much? He is more like the 4th best C ever
not even that. Russell, Hakeem, Kareem, Chamberlain, and Mikan are ahead of him. He's the 4th best C in Lakers history.

[dirk4mvp]

Mikan ahead of him.

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao


Thanks for that. I had grilled chicken from kcf for the first time tonight and it wasn't what i thought it would be, so I was kinda down. Until I saw this.

[Killakobe81]

Duncan is better than Shaq ...

[BUMP]

Serious question...Shaq above Tim? Why? How? I'm being very serious.

Shaq was just more dominant. He changed rules. Tim was great no doubt, but he could be stopped if you put sum1 long with a very high basketball IQ on him (very difficult), but there was nobody who could stop Shaq 1on1 without fouling when he was in prime. In fact there were very few who could stop him from just backing them down and dunking on them

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

If Shaq played in Mikan or Russell's era he would have averaged 70 points a game.

[024]

Serious question...Shaq above Tim? Why? How? I'm being very serious.
in their primes, shaq was more dominant than duncan. duncan had a more all around game with strengths in defense, offensive moves, rebounding, passing, and shotblocking . but shaq was just a better scorer because he could back down anyone and hit any over the shoulder shot and he was a good rebounder/shotblocker. he didn't have to develop creative ways to score or add a jump shot because it just didn't matter. no one could stop him without fouling. i say right now they are about even. however, once duncan wins one or two more championships, he will move ahead of shaq.

[dirk4mvp]

I still can't get over the Mikan is better than Shaq comment.

[Killakobe81]

Shaquille O'Neal takes nothing seriously. It's his blessing and his curse. It's why he can entertain millions of fans with his comedy, dancing and critical observations. It's why he can miss more than 5,100 free throws in his career and never win a rebounding title. It's part of the reason why Steve Nash met with general manager Steve Kerr in New York on Thursday, as the point guard wants some roster assurances before moving forward with a contract extension. The problem isn't a personality clash. It's that Nash and O'Neal can't co-exist on the court. You could not piece together a worse combination to defend the pick-and-roll, one of the most elementary plays in the NBA. It's one of the glaring flaws in this basketball team, and for that and other reasons, O'Neal must be traded in the coming months. When it happens, you wonder what he'll type next. ... Trading Shaq can and should work for everybody. In Phoenix, there will be some addition by subtraction. And in the tough-luck town of Cleveland, fans are already atwitter with new hope. Just wait until the big guy wants his touches."

From the Phoenix paper ...and why he is NOT top 5 ...seems everyone wants to forget the sweeps, pettiness and crappy FT shooting and lack of boards because of the 3 rings and because at time he is hilarious ...

[dirk4mvp]

lol at Kobe fan trying discredit Shaq.

[samikeyp]

duncan had a more all around game with strengths in defense, offensive moves, rebounding, passing, and shotblocking

Which is why, IMO, Duncan is better.

Yeah, Nash should not be there over Dirk.

Oh and BTW....Steve Francis should not even be allowed in the same magazine as the top 50 of all time.

[ambchang]

lol at Kobe fan trying discredit Shaq.

Shaq turned against LA when he left, so Kobe fans are now just trying to get back at him.

What goes around comes around.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I still can't get over the Mikan is better than Shaq comment.


lol people with a white player bias
lol just thinking of what a Shaq vs. Mikan one on one game would look like

[resistanze]

lol people with a white player bias
lol just thinking of what a Shaq vs. Mikan one on one game would look like

http://tyrnyx.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/mikan_sss.jpg
He'd eat Shaq!

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

http://tyrnyx.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/mikan_sss.jpg
He'd eat Shaq!


I think Shaq's arms are bigger than his legs :lol

[BUMP]

If Shaq played in Mikan or Russell's era he would have averaged 70 points a game.

i dont think he'd stop at 70

[BlackSwordsMan]

shaq> duncan

[BRHornet45]

sons Kobe has NO BUSINESS being in the top 15 .... MAYBE top 25

[Spursfan092120]

I still can't get over the Mikan is better than Shaq comment.
seriously dude..get over it...I wasn't serious...lol

[Spursfan092120]

shaq> duncan
explain why. Please...I really want to hear a good reason that puts Shaq above Duncan. Duncan has a jumpshot..Shaq never has...Duncan has a better FT percentage, is more athletic, is more clutch, has more MVPs...what, besides the fact that he could use his weight to back someone down, makes him better than Tim?

[dirk4mvp]

is more athletic

crofl

[Spursfan092120]

crofl
so you're saying that in their primes, Shaq was more athletic than Tim?

[dirk4mvp]

Way more. Shaq's one of the more athletic bigs to play.

[Spursfan092120]

Way more. Shaq's one of the more athletic bigs to play.
lol..ok..even if we're pretending that you're right, you still haven't said what makes Shaq a better player overall than Tim. What does Shaq have that is so much better that overrides the fact that Shaq has no jumpshot, and is a much worse FT shooter than Tim. Tim has a better skillset in the paint. Shaq just backs people down. How is Shaq better?

[baseline bum]

Shaq's way more athletic than Tim. Shaq from about 98-02 could just raise up and dunk on anyone if he was within 5 feet of the basket. Tim could jump about 6" in his prime (David Robinson used to make fun of Tim and his vertical).

[baseline bum]

Shaq vs Tim

Scoring efficiency: Shaq easily. In his prime if he got the ball within 8 feet, game over. Either a quick 2 or a trip to the FT line.
Scoring: Shaq easily. He's by far the most unguardable player I have ever seen on the block.
Passing: Tim.
Ballhandling: Tim easily. Duncan was the main ballhandler on the break for two seasons, which I could never see Shaq do.
Defense: Tim clearly. Shaq got lazy on the defensive end too much. Tim's ventured into that territory too hte last year or two, but he didn't in his prime.
Rebounding: Even. Duncan averages a board a game more, but he's also 4 years younger.

Tough call, but I'll give the edge to Shaq because he could foul out another team's frontline like no one I have ever seen while still shooting a high percentage.

[E20]

Better basketball player: Tim Duncan
More dominant: Shaq, I mean shit if he got the ball on a post up, it was basically a guarnteed scoring oppurtunity. But I'm still gonna say Tim will end up the better player and Tim > Shaq.

[IronMexican]

I think Shaq is slightly better than Tim.

[KSeal]

sons Kobe has NO BUSINESS being in the top 15 .... MAYBE top 25

:lmao You get so worked up over that shit. Just chill. He's definitely top 25 though.

[The TroutBum]

Why isn't Greg Oden on this list?

[KSeal]

The same reason JJ Hickson isn't.

[afireinside20]

Duncan is a better athlete and all around player than Shaq. Can't forget the times when you would barely graze Shaq's jersey and he's at the foul line.

[carrao45]

not even that. Russell, Hakeem, Kareem, Chamberlain, and Mikan are ahead of him. He's the 4th best C in Lakers history.

Russel would get destroyed by Shaq, Russel=6'9" 220 Shaq=7'1" 350
end of discussion. Besides Russel was a Celtic not a Laker

Mikan even in that era against tiny competition only shot like 40%
End Of Discussion

Shaq had a slightly longer peak than Hakeem, so i give Shaq the nod over Hakeem.

Wilt and Kareem were better than Shaq though

[carrao45]

in their primes, shaq was more dominant than duncan. duncan had a more all around game with strengths in defense, offensive moves, rebounding, passing, and shotblocking . but shaq was just a better scorer because he could back down anyone and hit any over the shoulder shot and he was a good rebounder/shotblocker. he didn't have to develop creative ways to score or add a jump shot because it just didn't matter. no one could stop him without fouling. i say right now they are about even. however, once duncan wins one or two more championships, he will move ahead of shaq.

Duncan is done winning championships...sorry about that, but the door is closing fast on the Duncan era

[carrao45]

explain why. Please...I really want to hear a good reason that puts Shaq above Duncan. Duncan has a jumpshot..Shaq never has...Duncan has a better FT percentage, is more athletic, is more clutch, has more MVPs...what, besides the fact that he could use his weight to back someone down, makes him better than Tim?

Prime Shaq was more athletic actually. And more dominant. Shaq was UNSTOPPABLE in his prime

[carrao45]

lol..ok..even if we're pretending that you're right, you still haven't said what makes Shaq a better player overall than Tim. What does Shaq have that is so much better that overrides the fact that Shaq has no jumpshot, and is a much worse FT shooter than Tim. Tim has a better skillset in the paint. Shaq just backs people down. How is Shaq better?

It doesnt matter is Duncan has great fundamentals, because Shaq was just more dominant...No matter what. In 01, Mutumbo was the DPOY, and he couldnt stop shaq for a second in the finals. Not one second. You dont see Duncan EVER being that Dominant, not for a second

[KSeal]

http://tyrnyx.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/mikan_sss.jpg
He'd eat Shaq!

:lmao at whoever said Mikan>Shaq :rollin

[carrao45]

Mikan wouldnt even come close to 10 points and 5 boards per game in today's NBA