NFL suspends Donte Stallworth

[Spursfan092120]

Commissioner Goodell suspends Browns' Stallworth indefinitely

National Football League
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell notified Donte' Stallworth (http://www.nfl.com/players/donte%27stallworth/profile?id=STA280100) of the Cleveland Browns (http://www.nfl.com/teams/clevelandbrowns/profile?team=CLE) on Thursday that he is suspended indefinitely without pay from the National Football League, effective immediately.
Following are excerpts from Commissioner Goodell's letter to Stallworth:
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Donte' Stallworth (http://www.nfl.com/players/donte%27stallworth/profile?id=STA280100)
Cleveland Browns (http://www.nfl.com/teams/profile?team=CLE)

Career bio
Age: 28
Yrs. pro: 7
Catches/TDs: 296/32

» "The conduct reflected in your guilty plea resulted in the tragic loss of life and was inexcusable. While the criminal justice system has determined the legal consequences of this incident, it is my responsibility as NFL Commissioner to determine appropriate league discipline for your actions, which have caused irreparable harm to the victim and his family, your club, your fellow players and the NFL."
» "The conduct that led to your conviction plainly violates both the Personal Conduct and Substances of Abuse policies. Either provides me with full authority to take appropriate disciplinary action against you, including a fine or suspension without pay, and to impose appropriate conditions on your continued participation in the NFL. In this case, there is ample evidence to warrant significant discipline under both policies."
» "There is no reasonable dispute that your continued eligibility for participation at this time would undermine the integrity of and public confidence in our league. Accordingly, I have decided to suspend you indefinitely, effective immediately. In due course, we will contact your representatives to schedule a meeting with you, after which I will make a final determination on discipline. Pending my final determination, you will not be permitted to visit the club's facility or participate in any team activities."

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Stallworth pleads guilty

Browns wide receiver Donte' Stallworth began serving a 30-day jail sentence on Tuesday after pleading guilty to DUI manslaughter. More ... (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d810d8394&template=with-video&confirm=true)




» "Everyone associated with the league derives tremendous benefits from participating in our game and from the extraordinary support we receive from the public. With these benefits comes, among other things, the responsibility to conduct ourselves in a lawful and responsible way, with no entitlement to or expectation of favorable treatment."
Under NFL policies, all NFL employees recognize that alcohol-related violations of law will not be tolerated and that they will be held accountable over and above any sanctions imposed by a court of law. This accountability to the NFL for alcohol-related violations of law includes discipline in the form of major fines and suspensions without pay. The level of discipline is significantly increased in cases involving aggravating circumstances and/or repeat offenses.
In addition to a comprehensive testing and treatment program for substance abuse, the NFL and NFL Players Association have extensive education and prevention resources available to players and all other league and club employees. One of those resources is a "safe rides" program used by most clubs to provide players and other employees with alternative means of transportation if they have consumed alcoholic beverages. Commissioner Goodell notified all clubs earlier this year that there will be increased emphasis on addressing DUIs and other misconduct.


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I hope they stick with this...for a LONG time. He needs to be punished somehow.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d810e391f&template=without-video&confirm=true

[mardigan]

Probably the end of a underachieving career.

[Spursfan092120]

Probably the end of a underachieving career.
I hope so...maybe make up for the Leonard Little situation..NFL screwed the goose on that one.

[dougp]

Here in Houston, Calvin Murphy was saying how the NFL shouldn't penalize Stallworth because that would be double jeopardy. Bullshit - the fucker got 30 days in jail for killing someone! All of us would have lost our jobs, and spent considerably more time in jail for it!

[Dr. Gonzo]

I feel bad for the family of the man that was killed. I'm sure some sort of justice would be a comfort for them, although it can never replace or even ease the pain of losing a lost one. It's just sad that this guy will get away with what is essentially murder.

[BacktoBasics]

The jay walker killed himself. Dante gave him warning and the guy attempted to cross anyway. Had Dante been that impaired he wouldn't have likely honked the horn and hit his brights well in advance. The kicker is that he happened to be over the legal limit and while driving what would otherwise be considered safe and legally. Had he not been over the limit the guy, who was guilty, would have been at fault.

That family made millions over a technicality. Dude wasn't speeding excessively, driving erratic or swerving all over the place.

That family got over big time in what otherwise would have cost another moron their life.

[Spursfan092120]

I feel bad for the family of the man that was killed. I'm sure some sort of justice would be a comfort for them, although it can never replace or even ease the pain of losing a lost one. It's just sad that this guy will get away with what is essentially murder.
Exactly...I was talking to someone today about the 30 day sentence, and they said "Well, at least the family is going to get a lot of money." Seriously...money is the last thing on their minds right now. Dude needs more prison time and expulsion from the NFL, in my opinion...NFL players are role models...someone who does something like that doesn't belong in the public eye.

[BacktoBasics]

Exactly...I was talking to someone today about the 30 day sentence, and they said "Well, at least the family is going to get a lot of money." Seriously...money is the last thing on their minds right now. Dude needs more prison time and expulsion from the NFL, in my opinion...NFL players are role models...someone who does something like that doesn't belong in the public eye.I seriously doubt Dante thought he was over the legal limit. There were no reports, ZERO, of him slurring, being combative or driving recklessly. I'm sure his action were well within the legal limits of driving. He even stopped and rendered aide.

He just happened to be over the limit. Which contributed absolutely ZERO to this guys death. What cost this man his life was his own careless actions.

[Spursfan092120]

The jay walker killed himself. Dante gave him warning and the guy attempted to cross anyway. Had Dante been that impaired he wouldn't have likely honked the horn and hit his brights well in advance. The kicker is that he happened to be over the legal limit and while driving what would otherwise be considered safe and legally. Had he not been over the limit the guy, who was guilty, would have been at fault.

That family made millions over a technicality. Dude wasn't speeding excessively, driving erratic or swerving all over the place.

That family got over big time in what otherwise would have cost another moron their life.
Please tell me you're kidding. A dude freaking died. You think money is on their minds right now? Were you in the freaking car when it happened? How do you know he gave him any warning? If you're just going to believe a guy who's intelligent enough to get behind the wheel when he's drunk, you're as ignorant as he is. All we know is Donte Stallworth was drunk, and he hit a guy and killed him. If that was your son, you would be all over his ass...this is the perfect picture for what I have to say to you...

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff26/DreamHax/Motivations/6.jpg

[Spursfan092120]

I seriously doubt Dante thought he was over the legal limit.
I would say .12 is over the legal limit.

[samikeyp]

Here in Houston, Calvin Murphy was saying how the NFL shouldn't penalize Stallworth because that would be double jeopardy. Bullshit - the fucker got 30 days in jail for killing someone! All of us would have lost our jobs, and spent considerably more time in jail for it!

Ahh...Calvin Murphy...that pillar of morality. :lol

[Spursfan092120]

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Will Donte Stallworth's Tests Find Him Legally Drunk From His Incident Last Weekend?

Settled as Yes
A DUI manslaughter charge is expected to be filed Wednesday afternoon against Cleveland Browns wide receiver Donte' Stallworth, alleging the football player was driving drunk last month when he struck and killed a pedestrian on Miami Beach, according to a source with knowledge of the investigation.

Blood tests revealed Stallworth had a blood alcohol level of .12 after the 7 a.m. crash, a second source with knowledge of the investigation told The Miami Herald.

http://www.hubdub.com/m36525/Will_Donte_Stallworths_Tests_Find_Him_Legally_Drun k_From_His_Incident_Last_Weekend

[Spursfan092120]

Some report even worse than 1.2

Report: Stallworth Legally Drunk During Accident

Attorney For Stallworth Has Not Confirmed Report

MIAMI BEACH (CBS) ―

CBS station WFOR-TV has confirmed that Cleveland Browns wide receiver Donte Stallworth was legally drunk when his vehicle struck and killed a man last weekend. Stallworth reportedly had a blood alcohol level of .14, well above the legal limit of .08.

A spokesman for the Miami-Dade State Attorney's office would not say if his office had received the results of the test, but he did say prosecutors were reviewing this case.

WFOR-TV news partner the Miami Herald also quoted a source with knowledge of the investigation who said Stallworth's blood alcohol tests "showed he was over the legal limit."

Stallworth's attorney, Bob Switkes, said he could not comment or "speculate about the case" because he had not received the results of the test. Switkes said he expected to receive the results of the blood-alcohol test on Friday and said, "I've heard the reports but I am not going to speculate or comment until I see what the results are."

Stallworth was unavailable for comment.

http://cbs5.com/sports/donte.stallworth.accident.2.963499.html

[BacktoBasics]

Please tell me you're kidding. A dude freaking died. You think money is on their minds right now? Were you in the freaking car when it happened? How do you know he gave him any warning? If you're just going to believe a guy who's intelligent enough to get behind the wheel when he's drunk, you're as ignorant as he is. All we know is Donte Stallworth was drunk, and he hit a guy and killed him. If that was your son, you would be all over his ass...this is the perfect picture for what I have to say to you...

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff26/DreamHax/Motivations/6.jpgAll the reports and witness stated that he gave the guy fair warning. It was a crowded street and under construction with no shoulder lanes.

The guy just flat didn't pay attention and jumped out in front of Dante and it was too late. Being drunk didn't cause this guys death. The guy jumping out in front of a moving vehicle with nowhere for the car to go. That caused his death.

Was Dante cited for reckless driving or speeding?

Answer: NO

[BacktoBasics]

Actual impairment and motor skills play a very small role in what actually constitutes drunk driving.

We're talking about less than 2 drinks an hours within a small period of time and you're considered over the legal limit.

Not one single report stated that there were signs of drunken driving. There was an accident. A death and thats why he had to give blood. They got him on a technicality.

There wasn't even a field sobriety test.

[Spursfan092120]

Actual impairment and motor skills play a very small role in what actually constitutes drunk driving.

We're talking about less than 2 drinks an hours within a small period of time and you're considered over the legal limit.

Not one single report stated that there were signs of drunken driving. There was an accident. A death and thats why he had to give blood. They got him on a technicality.

There wasn't even a field sobriety test.
The BAC has him way over the legal limit. .12 to .14...that's more than 2 drinks an hour. Donte flashed his lights and honked his horn...but didn't stop driving...that's hardly giving the guy fair warning. Even if you're a Browns homer, there's no way in hell you can condone a guy getting behind the wheel of a car when he's drunk, and killing someone.

[BacktoBasics]

The BAC has him way over the legal limit. .12 to .14...that's more than 2 drinks an hour. Donte flashed his lights and honked his horn...but didn't stop driving...that's hardly giving the guy fair warning. Even if you're a Browns homer, there's no way in hell you can condone a guy getting behind the wheel of a car when he's drunk, and killing someone.I don't believe thats more than two drinks an hour. He probably didn't slam on the brakes because he though the asshat would be smart enough to not cross.

Lets say he slams on his brakes and creates an even worse accident. What then. He does have a right to the road and operating his vehicle within the legal limits of the laws. He did not operate his vehicle unlawfully or in a fashion that constituted being impaired.

No one suspected that he was over the legal limit. No citation was given. It wasn't until after the fact that he got popped.

Why: Because he wasn't doing anything illegally.

It sucks for that guy but Dante's driving didn't kill him. He should never have attempted to illegally cross that road.

Never once. NOT ONE PERSON or entity have stated that his blood alcohol content contributed to this mans death. Only that he was over the legal limit. Not a single accounts of erratic driving. No accounts of slurring. No failed field sobriety test. No visible signs of impairment. No accusations of being combative or acting out of the ordinary. Not one single officer suspected drunk driving.

Obviously this conversation would be different had he not been "technically" over the legal limit.

Even though he was over the legal limit wasn't performing any physical actions that were unlawful. Hence a technicality.

My opinion would be totally different if he was driving like a clown or failed a field sobriety test and/or was ticketed by any of the half dozen officers there.

[Spursfan092120]

I don't believe thats more than two drinks an hour. He probably didn't slam on the brakes because he though the asshat would be smart enough to not cross.

Lets say he slams on his brakes and creates an even worse accident. What then. He does have a right to the road and operating his vehicle within the legal limits of the laws. He did not operate his vehicle unlawfully or in a fashion that constituted being impaired.

No one suspected that he was over the legal limit. No citation was given. It wasn't until after the fact that he got popped.

Why: Because he wasn't doing anything illegally.

It sucks for that guy but Dante's driving didn't kill him. He should never have attempted to illegally cross that road.

Never once. NOT ONE PERSON or entity have stated that his blood alcohol content contributed to this mans death. Only that he was over the legal limit. Not a single accounts of erratic driving. No accounts of slurring. No failed field sobriety test. No visible signs of impairment. No accusations of being combative or acting out of the ordinary. Not one single officer suspected drunk driving.

Obviously this conversation would be different had he not been "technically" over the legal limit.

Even though he was over the legal limit wasn't performing any physical actions that were unlawful. Hence a technicality.

My opinion would be totally different if he was driving like a clown or failed a field sobriety test and/or was ticketed by any of the half dozen officers there.
WTF are you talking about? His BAC on the site of the accident was between .12 and .14..the legal limit is .08. That's illegal...period. And being almost double the legal BAC limit is more than 2 drinks an hour at Donte's size. How can you say he wasn't doing anything illegally and then say he was over the legal limit. That's completely contradicting yourself. Truth is, the guy got behind the wheel of a vehicle when he was drunk and hit someone. If he was being so cautious, he wouldn't have killed the guy. I've been hit by a car going slow before..I was able to get up and dust it off. He was obviously driving fast enough to KILL someone with a vehicle. That's not exactly easy, which also leads me to believe he did NOT give a sufficient enough warning. But all this is moot. The fact is, the guy got behind the wheel of a car while at almost double the legal limit, and hit and killed someone. That's all that matters. But at the same time, flashing your lights and honking while driving fast enough to kill someone is not a good enough warning.

[BUMP]

WTF are you talking about? His BAC on the site of the accident was between .12 and .14..the legal limit is .08. That's illegal...period. And being almost double the legal BAC limit is more than 2 drinks an hour at Donte's size. How can you say he wasn't doing anything illegally and then say he was over the legal limit. That's completely contradicting yourself. Truth is, the guy got behind the wheel of a vehicle when he was drunk and hit someone. If he was being so cautious, he wouldn't have killed the guy. I've been hit by a car going slow before..I was able to get up and dust it off. He was obviously driving fast enough to KILL someone with a vehicle. That's not exactly easy, which also leads me to believe he did NOT give a sufficient enough warning. But all this is moot. The fact is, the guy got behind the wheel of a car while at almost double the legal limit, and hit and killed someone. That's all that matters. But at the same time, flashing your lights and honking while driving fast enough to kill someone is not a good enough warning.

Agreed...this guy is full of BS.

there's no way you can honk your horn, and flash your lights, spot someone while still going normal speed. That just doesn't make sense....unless of course you're impaired. i mean, do you really think someone can drive normally with a freaking .12 BAC?

idk about ya'll but if i see someone crossing the road, i dont just honk but i slow the fuck down til i come to a complete stop, you dont just keep going

[Spursfan092120]

Agreed...this guy is full of BS.

there's no way you can honk your horn, and flash your lights, spot someone while still going normal speed. That just doesn't make sense....unless of course you're impaired. i mean, do you really think someone can drive normally with a freaking .12 BAC?

idk about ya'll but if i see someone crossing the road, i dont just honk but i slow the fuck down til i come to a complete stop, you dont just keep going
My point exactly. I think this Back to Basics guy is Donte's lawyer or something. His BAC has been said to be between .12 and .14...that's too damn high to be behind the wheel. If you're going fast enough to kill someone with a vehicle, there's no way in hell you have enough time to warn them that you're coming...And if he did see someone early enough to warn them, why the hell didn't he stop? ridiculous.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Even if Stallworth wasn't slurring or acting impaired, the first thing to go when you are even at .06 BAC is reaction time. At .12 BAC his reaction time is severely impaired. Just because he honked and flashed his lights doesn't mean he should be off the hook for drinking and driving and being the cause of this man's death. He's a millionaire for fucks sake. Why even drive if he is going to have even one drink? Especially when he knows the sports media and the NFL fuck guys that get DWIs. No matter what, he deserves more than 30 days in jail.

[bresilhac]

I seriously doubt Dante thought he was over the legal limit. There were no reports, ZERO, of him slurring, being combative or driving recklessly. I'm sure his action were well within the legal limits of driving. He even stopped and rendered aide.

He just happened to be over the limit. Which contributed absolutely ZERO to this guys death. What cost this man his life was his own careless actions.

You've got to be fucking kidding me. You're actually siding with that murdering son of a bitch? He flashed his lights at the victim right before he mowed him down so that makes the murder ok? He was drunk of his ass and killed an innocent pedestrian and is getting 30 days for it.

This is a legal travesty in the worse sense of the word. What if the situation were reversed? The poor construction worker would have gotten the book thrown at him. This is clearly a case of justice gone wrong. That drunken piece of shit should have gotten years not days for this horrible crime.

[Dr. Gonzo]

But he wasn't slurring.

:jack

[Trainwreck2100]

I feel bad for the family of the man that was killed. I'm sure some sort of justice would be a comfort for them, although it can never replace or even ease the pain of losing a lost one. It's just sad that this guy will get away with what is essentially murder.

part of the reason he got so little time was because that sentence had the family's blessing after they got paid.

[gaKNOW!blee]

Dante had enogh time flash his lights and honk his horn but couldnt press the fucking brake??

Maybe he shouldnt be going 10mph over the speed limit after being up all night drinking.

[Spursfan092120]

part of the reason he got so little time was because that sentence had the family's blessing after they got paid.
If that's the case, that's even more fucked up.

[ducks]

ducks smarter then this

[gaKNOW!blee]

ducks smarter then this

lol

[BacktoBasics]

I'd also like to point out that in addition the families plea for a easy sentence one of the defining considerations was a law set into place to protect a person like Dante who was technically driving illegally but to be determined to have not caused the accident.

IE a drunk driver gets rammed by another careless driver. Non fault accident but you go down because you're impaired.

I don't expect any of you guys to see the big picture. I realize that living in a predefined little black and white box is the extent of your mental reasoning skills.

The only person to blame for being dead is the moron who decided to run out into oncoming traffic. None of this would be happening if that idiot wouldn't have chosen to do so.

Dante didn't jump the curve. Show me where it says he was speeding or driving recklessly. Show me where his motor skills are to blame for the mans death. He took the fall because he was technically drunk and an idiot hurled himself in front of his vehicle.

[gaKNOW!blee]

I'd also like to point out that in addition the families plea for a easy sentence one of the defining considerations was a law set into place to protect a person like Dante who was technically driving illegally but to be determined to have not caused the accident.
IE a drunk driver gets rammed by another careless driver. Non fault accident but you go down because you're impaired.

I don't expect any of you guys to see the big picture. I realize that living in a predefined little black and white box is the extent of your mental reasoning skills.

The only person to blame for being dead is the moron who decided to run out into oncoming traffic. None of this would be happening if that idiot wouldn't have chosen to do so.

Dante didn't jump the curve. Show me where it says he was speeding or driving recklessly. Show me where his motor skills are to blame for the mans death. He took the fall because he was technically drunk and an idiot hurled himself in front of his vehicle.

He was going 10 mph over the speed limit, if your that drunk why even give cops a chance to pull you over?

And what if this is a little kid next time? Is that little kid still a moron because a drunk driver couldn't take a taxi.

As for the bolded part, the same thing can be said if Dante doesnt get behind the wheel when DRINKING which is a far worse offense.

[BacktoBasics]

He was going 10 mph over the speed limit, if your that drunk why even give cops a chance to pull you over?

And what if this is a little kid next time? Is that little kid still a moron because a drunk driver couldn't take a taxi.

As for the bolded part, the same thing can be said if Dante doesnt get behind the wheel when DRINKING which is a far worse offense.I wouldn't call the kid a moron. I'd call the kids parents a moron.

[to21]

Judge: "B2B you just killed a man and will be doing jail time."
B2B: "Yeah Judge but he was jaywalking."
Judge: "You were well over the legal limit with a .12 and killed a man."
B2B: "Yeah Judge but he was jaywalking."
Judge: "You ran over a man while you were dunk, it's called dui manslaughter."
B2B: "Yeah Judge but he was jaywalking."
Judge: "If jaywalking get's you death buy a drunk ass football player, then for ur crime, we'll hang u up by ur balls. The ones you like to let wonder down ur pant legs because u wear no underwear."

:lol

[stretch]

B2B is right... if a guy jaywalks and you arent over the limit... thats not the driver's fault at all.

now its unfortunate what happened, and Donte should have obviously had more discretion, but it most definitely was due to a technicality that Donte got in the kind of trouble he got in for it.

[Dr. Gonzo]

B2B is right... if a guy jaywalks and you arent over the limit... thats not the driver's fault at all.

now its unfortunate what happened, and Donte should have obviously had more discretion, but it most definitely was due to a technicality that Donte got in the kind of trouble he got in for it.

Yeah, he was technically drunk.

[BacktoBasics]

Yeah, he was technically drunk.
Glad we could see eye to eye.

[stretch]

Yeah, he was technically drunk.

I think that B2B's point is that if you are driving, and a guy decides to jaywalk, and you arent driving wrecklessly, you can basically hit him on purpose, and still get off scot-free.

[stretch]

So consider what's worse... being 100% alcohol free and purposely killing a jaywalker because you know you won't get busted? or having had a little too much to drink, yet still acting and driving in perfect control, and unintentionally killing a jaywalker after having given him multiple warnings?

yet the first example gets off scot-free, and the latter gets imprisioned and sued.

kinda fucked up, isnt it?

[Dr. Gonzo]

So consider what's worse... being 100% alcohol free and purposely killing a jaywalker because you know you won't get busted? or having had a little too much to drink, yet still acting and driving in perfect control, and unintentionally killing a jaywalker after having given him multiple warnings?

yet the first example gets off scot-free, and the latter gets imprisioned and sued.

kinda fucked up, isnt it?

I don't think one would get away with killing a jaywalker on purpose. Just because they jaywalk doesn't give people a free shot at killing them.

[BacktoBasics]

Just for the sake of the argument I'm going to tell a story. Now this isn't a carbon copy of what went down with Dante but a prime example of a how a technicality can have massive implications.

My co-workers nephew has a young daughter. I think said about 14 years old. A guy on their street took a liking to her. Now this was some kid it was a 35 year old grown adult. The guy stalked the girl as she walked home from a friends house. He climbed through her window and thankfully her father was home off work that day. Caught him right in her room as he walked by.

A fight ensued, the girl fled the house, the father broke away and managed to get to his gun. As the struggle worsened a shot was fired hitting the stalker, then another shot as the stalker continued to pursue. Now wounded the stalker staggered to the front door to escape. He ultimately died in the middle of the street.

Because the man died in the street and not in the mans home. They couldn't find any blood in the house and only a moderate sign of a struggle. He was prosecuted and convicted of murder. Served five years in prison because of a technicality. Had the man died in his living room the story would have unfolded differently.

The point is that what actually happened and how the law interpreted it are two different things. The law interpreted this as drunken driving when what really happened was that a careless individual not only wrecked his life but others.

[BacktoBasics]

I think that B2B's point is that if you are driving, and a guy decides to jaywalk, and you arent driving wrecklessly, you can basically hit him on purpose, and still get off scot-free.For the most part you can if you're not drunk. Remember there was no shoulder for Dante to pull over too. Single lane traffic with close barriers.

[Dr. Gonzo]

He should've hit him with a kill shot and not just injured him.

[stretch]

I don't think one would get away with killing a jaywalker on purpose. Just because they jaywalk doesn't give people a free shot at killing them.

All you have to do is fake a couple tears and tell the authorities that you didn't see him.

[Obstructed_View]

By every measurable means, the guy was legally drunk, and easily so. Since we're going to play the blame game, if he'd done the right thing and decided not to get in his car and drive he wouldn't have been in the spot he was in when the guy stepped out. The law that makes you automatically responsible if you're impaired is another excellent reason to take a cab when you've had too much to drink.

If the fucking law isn't going to punish him the way he deserves, maybe the NFL will. Lifetime ban. I won't root for the Browns if that fuckstick suits up for them.

[stretch]

By every measurable means, the guy was legally drunk, and easily so. Since we're going to play the blame game, if he'd done the right thing and decided not to get in his car and drive he wouldn't have been in the spot he was in when the guy stepped out. The law that makes you automatically responsible if you're impaired is another excellent reason to take a cab when you've had too much to drink.

If the fucking law isn't going to punish him the way he deserves, maybe the NFL will. Lifetime ban. I won't root for the Browns if that fuckstick suits up for them.

Well lets go even further in your unreasonable "blame game". If the guy who gave Stallworth his drinks hadn't gave him those, than he wouldnt have had any alcohol in his system, and since its the alcohol that killed the man (not the fact that Stallworth was driving in a rather safe manner, and the man walked out into a street with oncoming traffic in which the traffic would not be able to swerve around him due to construction), lets blame the guy or bartender that gave Stallworth the drinks. Hell, if he hadn't went to take classes to be a bartender, he wouldn't be in position to make the drinks, so lets blame his school. Or perhaps if John Stallworth didn't fuck Ms. Stallworth on the night that Donte was conceieved, than he wouldn't have been in this position today, so fuck John Stallworth, let's imprison him for life and take away all his NFL credentials for raising a son that kills intentionally kills people.

:dizzy

[gaKNOW!blee]

Well lets go even further in your unreasonable "blame game". If the guy who gave Stallworth his drinks hadn't gave him those, than he wouldnt have had any alcohol in his system, and since its the alcohol that killed the man (not the fact that Stallworth was driving in a rather safe manner, and the man walked out into a street with oncoming traffic in which the traffic would not be able to swerve around him due to construction), lets blame the guy or bartender that gave Stallworth the drinks. Hell, if he hadn't went to take classes to be a bartender, he wouldn't be in position to make the drinks, so lets blame his school. Or perhaps if John Stallworth didn't fuck Ms. Stallworth on the night that Donte was conceieved, than he wouldn't have been in this position today, so fuck John Stallworth, let's imprison him for life and take away all his NFL credentials for raising a son that kills intentionally kills people.

:dizzy

http://wholesalebarsupplies.com/images/fat-straws.jpg

Go ahead....grasp.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I don't understand how people are trying to say that Stallworth is being victimized here. He drove drunk. It doesn't matter if he was swerving or driving erratically, he was driving drunk and killed someone. It doesn't matter if the guy was jaywalking. If he was completely sober maybe his reaction time wouldn't have been slowed down and he would've been able to slow down enough or swerve to miss the guy. Maybe his judgement wouldn't have been impaired and he could've been better prepared for something like that happening. The only thing that matters here is his .12 BAC.

[BUMP]

i still :lol at ppl here defending Stallworth as if a .12 BAC will do nothing to your reaction time

[BacktoBasics]

I don't understand how people are trying to say that Stallworth is being victimized here. He drove drunk. It doesn't matter if he was swerving or driving erratically, he was driving drunk and killed someone. It doesn't matter if the guy was jaywalking. If he was completely sober maybe his reaction time wouldn't have been slowed down and he would've been able to slow down enough or swerve to miss the guy. Maybe his judgement wouldn't have been impaired and he could've been better prepared for something like that happening. The only thing that matters here is his .12 BAC.The thing is that he was never accused of having impaired judgment. The drunk driving and his actions played no fault in the mans death. Thats a big part of the reason he only got 30 days. The laws have written in contingencies to protect lawful actions of the unlawful when they aren't the cause of the problem.

The dead mans family doesn't decide his fate. The law protected the innocent actions of man that was technically driving illegally.

Not one report or article...even statement said he actions were indicative of being impaired. Just that he was over the legal limit.

What if the guy who walked into the street happened to be driving. Lets say he was driving and ran a red light and struck Dante's car. Lets say that guy died as a result of the wreck.

You do realize that even though it wasn't Dante's fault he would have faced the same charges. Even though Dante's actions played no part in the actions that caused the mans death. Basically the same thing.

What would you say then?

Dante should or would have been able to slow down and avoid the guy running the red light?

[Dr. Gonzo]

The thing is that he was never accused of having impaired judgment. The drunk driving and his actions played no fault in the mans death. Thats a big part of the reason he only got 30 days. The laws have written in contingencies to protect lawful actions of the unlawful when they aren't the cause of the problem.

The dead mans family doesn't decide his fate. The law protected the innocent actions of man that was technically driving illegally.

Not one report or article...even statement said he actions were indicative of being impaired. Just that he was over the legal limit.

What if the guy who walked into the street happened to be driving. Lets say he was driving and ran a red light and struck Dante's car. Lets say that guy died as a result of the wreck.

You do realize that even though it wasn't Dante's fault he would have faced the same charges. Even though Dante's actions played no part in the actions that caused the mans death. Basically the same thing.

What would you say then?

Dante should or would have been able to slow down and avoid the guy running the red light?

I would say the same charges need to apply. He was driving drunk and nobody can say what his sober reactions would have been able to prevent. It is known that having a BAC level about .08 impairs reaction time and judgment, even if it doesn't impair motor skills.

[BacktoBasics]

I would say the same charges need to apply. He was driving drunk and nobody can say what his sober reactions would have been able to prevent. It is known that having a BAC level about .08 impairs reaction time and judgment, even if it doesn't impair motor skills.I agree. Same charges should apply. About the same kind of punishment as well.

Even at a hefty BAC I doubt that giant nog who is a world class athlete with world class reaction times had motor skills or reactions anywhere near the level of an average man.

As far as I'm concerned the punishment fit the crime.

[Spursfan092120]

i still :lol at ppl here defending Stallworth as if a .12 BAC will do nothing to your reaction time
no shit..lol...my cousin is a state trooper, and if your BAC is that high, you definitely have a horrible reaction time...

Donte Stallworth weighs 200 lbs. For him to have a .12 BAC, which he has been said to have a BAC of .12 to .14, he would have to have had 6 and a half drinks of at least .54 ounces of alcohol, which is 80 proof liquor, every hour. Here is the book on his status at .12 BAC. And remember... .12 is the minimum that he has been shown to have had.

0.10 — 0.125 BAC: Significant impairment of motor coordination and loss of good judgment. Speech may be slurred; balance, vision, reaction time and hearing will be impaired. Euphoria. It is illegal to operate a motor vehicle at this level of intoxication in all states.

If he gets to .14, he will begin to have dysphoria, which is an emotional state of anxiety, depression, or unease. you also acquire gross motor impairment and complete lack of physical control. You also get blurred vision and MAJOR loss of balance. Your judgment and perception are also severely impaired. Now, are you telling me that this, along with driving 10 miles over the speed limit, he could have given this guy a good enough warning? And it's ok that he was completely drunk, lost all his good judgment, had impaired motor coordination and balance, vision, and lost his reaction time, and driving, because the guy was jaywalking.

[Spursfan092120]

I doubt that giant nog who is a world class athlete with world class reaction times had motor skills or reactions anywhere near the level of an average man.
That's just ignorant. That size of BAC will impair ANYONE'S motor skills and reaction to the point where they can't drive. It's stupid to think that because the guy's a football player, alcohol won't affect him as much


As far as I'm concerned the punishment fit the crime.
30 days for killing a guy while driving under the influence is a punishment fitting the crime? I know people who got 30 days for a DUI without hitting anyone, and they were below .12. Not trying to be a smart ass or anything, but do you mind if I ask how old you are? Because I don't think anyone of an adult age would truly believe that because someone is an athlete, alcohol doesn't affect them the same. And for anyone to stand up for what he did is just horrible. I really wonder what kind of person you are for thinking it was not absolutely horrible for him to get behind the wheel of a car after having at least a .12 BAC. And then he hits someone with the car, and says he gave a good enough warning, yet he was still driving fast enough to strike and kill him. So he warned him, but didn't try to stop? He was driving 10 miles over the speed limit. Flashing the lights and honking the horn is not a good enough warning when speeding when you're drunk...sorry.

[BacktoBasics]

30 days for killing a guy while driving under the influence is a punishment fitting the crime? I know people who got 30 days for a DUI without hitting anyone, and they were below .12. Not trying to be a smart ass or anything, but do you mind if I ask how old you are? Because I don't think anyone of an adult age would truly believe that because someone is an athlete, alcohol doesn't affect them the same. And for anyone to stand up for what he did is just horrible. I really wonder what kind of person you are for thinking it was not absolutely horrible for him to get behind the wheel of a car after having at least a .12 BAC. And then he hits someone with the car, and says he gave a good enough warning, yet he was still driving fast enough to strike and kill him. So he warned him, but didn't try to stop? He was driving 10 miles over the speed limit. Flashing the lights and honking the horn is not a good enough warning when speeding when you're drunk...sorry.I stated earlier that he only received the 30 days because he wasn't at fault. There is a law in that state designed to protect someone who's determined to be not at fault. In this case he didn't mow down this guy. The guy ran into the street in front of his vehicle. Hence the light sentence.

[J.T.]

I wonder if they're going to edit his character out of Madden 10 or if it will be like Madden 08 how you could still be Michael Vick even though he was in jail.

[Spursfan092120]

I stated earlier that he only received the 30 days because he wasn't at fault. There is a law in that state designed to protect someone who's determined to be not at fault. In this case he didn't mow down this guy. The guy ran into the street in front of his vehicle. Hence the light sentence.
I'm done with you. For some reason you think it's ok that the guy was driving at almost twice the legal limit, and a flash of his lights and honking of his horn was a good enough warning when he was driving fast enough to strike and KILL someone. I've said this before. I've been hit by a car that stopped quickly. I was able to get up and shake it off, and only limped for the day. This guy was driving fast enough to KILL this guy. There's no way in hell that he even tried to slow down. You are not worth my time...you're disgusting. Please stop talking to me.

[J.T.]

I'm done with you. For some reason you think it's ok that the guy was driving at almost twice the legal limit, and a flash of his lights and honking of his horn was a good enough warning when he was driving fast enough to strike and KILL someone. I've said this before. I've been hit by a car that stopped quickly. I was able to get up and shake it off, and only limped for the day. This guy was driving fast enough to KILL this guy. There's no way in hell that he even tried to slow down. You are not worth my time...you're disgusting. Please stop talking to me.

People who get caught breaking the law are idiots. I break the law daily and you don't see me serving 30 days in jail and 10 years of probation.

[BUMP]

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[Spurtacus]

I wish the family hadn't settled on the civil dispute prior to Stallworth's verdict. They sold out.

Stallworth will probably be able to play in the UFL.

[Obstructed_View]

Well lets go even further in your unreasonable "blame game". If the guy who gave Stallworth his drinks hadn't gave him those, than he wouldnt have had any alcohol in his system, and since its the alcohol that killed the man (not the fact that Stallworth was driving in a rather safe manner, and the man walked out into a street with oncoming traffic in which the traffic would not be able to swerve around him due to construction), lets blame the guy or bartender that gave Stallworth the drinks. Hell, if he hadn't went to take classes to be a bartender, he wouldn't be in position to make the drinks, so lets blame his school. Or perhaps if John Stallworth didn't fuck Ms. Stallworth on the night that Donte was conceieved, than he wouldn't have been in this position today, so fuck John Stallworth, let's imprison him for life and take away all his NFL credentials for raising a son that kills intentionally kills people.

:dizzy

How about we stay right where the blame belongs - on the guy who got drunk, got in his car and killed someone?

[Spursfan092120]

How about we stay right where the blame belongs - on the guy who got drunk, got in his car and killed someone?
:tu

[BacktoBasics]

How about we stay right where the blame belongs - on the guy who got drunk, got in his car and killed someone?or the guy who carelessly ran into the street and killed himself.

I'll go right back to the guy who runs a red light and t-bones an guy who is legally passing through an intersection but happens to be over the legal limit. The drunk guy didn't cause the accident the other guy did.

You guys can say what you want but the law agrees with me and his sentence shows it.

[BacktoBasics]

I'm done with you. For some reason you think it's ok that the guy was driving at almost twice the legal limit, and a flash of his lights and honking of his horn was a good enough warning when he was driving fast enough to strike and KILL someone. I've said this before. I've been hit by a car that stopped quickly. I was able to get up and shake it off, and only limped for the day. This guy was driving fast enough to KILL this guy. There's no way in hell that he even tried to slow down. You are not worth my time...you're disgusting. Please stop talking to me.I don't think its ok for him to have been driving. I just don't think he was at fault here. Neither does the law. The punishment fit the crime in my opinion.

I don't know about you but I was raised to look before running into the street. Its not as if Dante ran up on the curb and plowed some pedestrians. I'd be singing a different tune.

[BacktoBasics]

I guess most of you guys don't realize that when you go out for dinner and have two-three beers over an hour and halfs time that you too are over the legal limit.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I guess most of you guys don't realize that when you go out for dinner and have two-three beers over an hour and halfs time that you too are over the legal limit.

And after dinner if they hit someone and kill them they are responsible for killing them and deserve max sentence.

[manufan10]

Lyons noted that Stallworth stopped immediately after the accident, called 911 and submitted to roadside alcohol testing despite spending most of the night drinking at a Miami Beach hotel.

Miami-Dade State Attorney Katherine Fernandez Rundle cited Stallworth's lack of previous criminal record, cooperation with police and willingness to accept responsibility as factors in the plea deal. Rundle also said the Reyes family -- particularly the victim's 15-year-old daughter -- wanted the case resolved to avoid any more pain.

After Stallworth spent the night drinking at a bar in Miami Beach's Fountainebleau hotel, police said he hit Reyes, a construction crane operator who was rushing to catch a bus after finishing his shift at about 7:15 a.m.

Stallworth told police he flashed his lights in an attempt to warn Reyes, who was not in a crosswalk when he was struck.

Stallworth had a blood-alcohol level of .126 after the crash, well above Florida's .08 limit. Stallworth stopped after the crash and immediately told officers he had hit Reyes. Police estimated Stallworth was driving about 50 mph in a 40 mph zone.

[Spursfan092120]

I guess most of you guys don't realize that when you go out for dinner and have two-three beers over an hour and halfs time that you too are over the legal limit.
Yes...but we're not at freaking .12-.14...and we don't go out and kill someone. You're standing up for a guy who drank WAY too much, got behind the wheel of a car, and killed someone...you're worthless man.

[manufan10]

I agree and disagree with B2B. It was partly Reyes' fault, he did run out into the middle of the street without paying attention. I learned before I even started school to look both ways before crossing the street. However, saying that Stallworth doesn't deserve blame because of a "technicality" is wrong. If he hadn't have been drinking or taken a taxi, this tragic accident could have/probably would have been avoided. Even Stallworth admits and takes full responsibility for his actions.

[gaKNOW!blee]

your BAC is gonna be .08 with 2 beers in an hour and a half?? while eating?

not sure I believe that....

[BacktoBasics]

Yes...but we're not at freaking .12-.14...and we don't go out and kill someone. You're standing up for a guy who drank WAY too much, got behind the wheel of a car, and killed someone...you're worthless man.Illegal is illegal the amount is inconsequential. For the millionth time I'll state that he wasn't driving erratically, swerving or otherwise breaking any moving violations. The responding officers didn't even give a field sobriety test.

[BacktoBasics]

I agree and disagree with B2B. It was partly Reyes' fault, he did run out into the middle of the street without paying attention. I learned before I even started school to look both ways before crossing the street. However, saying that Stallworth doesn't deserve blame because of a "technicality" is wrong. If he hadn't have been drinking or taken a taxi, this tragic accident could have/probably would have been avoided. Even Stallworth admits and takes full responsibility for his actions.He deserves blame for being over the legal limit and his punishment fit his crime. I don't think Dante's innocent. Just innocent of killing that guy. The court and the guys family for the most part see it my way.

[manufan10]

He deserves blame for being over the legal limit and his punishment fit his crime. I don't think Dante's innocent. Just innocent of killing that guy. The court and the guys family for the most part see it my way.

He is not entirely innocent of killing the guy. He was driving the vehicle. He did play a role in the death of Reyes. He was drunk. They're both at fault. I'd like to know is exactly how it happened. Did Stallworth notice Reyes before he ran out into the street and tried to warn him? He obviously knew he was going to hit the guy since he honked and flashed his lights. Was that a warning that he was coming and Reyes was running on the sidewalk? Why didn't Stallworth stop BEFORE he hit him? I know that it wasn't all Stallworth's fault, Reyes didn't do what most people have been taught at an early age. Still, if more information was given to the public, maybe we could ALL feel a little bit better about the situation.

[Spursfan092120]

He deserves blame for being over the legal limit and his punishment fit his crime. I don't think Dante's innocent. Just innocent of killing that guy. The court and the guys family for the most part see it my way.
He's taking full responsibility for killing that guy..so why are you acting like it's no big deal? We're not talking about law here..we're talking about a guy who got behind the wheel of a vehicle at almost twice the legal limit, and was driving fast enough to kill someone with a vehicle. There's no way in hell he was even trying to slow down if he killed the guy. How can you stand up for this guy? He got behind the wheel of a car at .12 BAC...that's ridiculous.

[BacktoBasics]

He's taking full responsibility for killing that guy..so why are you acting like it's no big deal? We're not talking about law here..we're talking about a guy who got behind the wheel of a vehicle at almost twice the legal limit, and was driving fast enough to kill someone with a vehicle. There's no way in hell he was even trying to slow down if he killed the guy. How can you stand up for this guy? He got behind the wheel of a car at .12 BAC...that's ridiculous.Regardless of how it all went down and regardless of who is right or wrong the best thing for Dante to do is be remorseful and take full responsibility. He did the right thing by doing that.

[sam1617]

So the question comes down to, is it ok for Stallworth to play in the NFL again... If the family of the dead guy says its ok, would it be ok?

[Dr. Gonzo]

So the question comes down to, is it ok for Stallworth to play in the NFL again... If the family of the dead guy says its ok, would it be ok?

I don't think it matters what the family says. There is nothing wrong with him playing again. He is paying for his crime, regardless of whether anyone agrees with the severity of the punishment or not, so of course he has every right to earn a living doing what he did before after he pays for his crime.

[LnGrrrR]

I'm actually siding with B2B on this one, partially. If the report says that Stallworth did nothing wrong, and the accident was unavoidable, no matter whether Stallworth was drunk or not, then it's tough to blame Stallworth.

The question is, if he wasn't drunk, could he have avoided the accident?

I'll lay blame on both Stallworth and the guy who ran out into the street if that question isn't answerable.

[manufan10]

I agree with the two posts above.

[BUMP]

This just in on the Millionaires Who Get Off Easy In Court channel

Chris Brown has reached a plea deal after beating Rihanna to a pulp, he faces no jail time, with 180 days of community service and 5 years probation.

Seriously, we have more people in prison than any other country in the world. What do these millions of guys do that is so much worse than beating a girl to a hash brown, and killing a man, driving over the speed limit, with a .12 BAC

:wtf:wtf:wtf

[Spursfan092120]

This just in on the Millionaires Who Get Off Easy In Court channel

Chris Brown has reached a plea deal after beating Rihanna to a pulp, he faces no jail time, with 180 days of community service and 5 years probation.

Seriously, we have more people in prison than any other country in the world. What do these millions of guys do that is so much worse than beating a girl to a hash brown, and killing a man, driving over the speed limit, with a .12 BAC

:wtf:wtf:wtf
Didn't Rihanna stay with him though?

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or the guy who carelessly ran into the street and killed himself.

I'll go right back to the guy who runs a red light and t-bones an guy who is legally passing through an intersection but happens to be over the legal limit. The drunk guy didn't cause the accident the other guy did.

You guys can say what you want but the law agrees with me and his sentence shows it.

Actually, the law doesn't agree with you, or he wouldn't have been charged with the crime.

[manufan10]

Didn't Rihanna stay with him though?

Yes. She didn't testify against him either. The same kind of thing happened with Stallworth either. The family didn't want to go through the rehashing of the memories if it went to trial, so they didn't really pursue a longer jail time sentence for Stallworth.

[mardigan]

Stallworth said victim surprised him

MIAMI -- Cleveland Browns wide receiver Donte' Stallworth said on a 911 call that the man he struck with his car while driving drunk "came out of nowhere" before the crash.

Stallworth is serving a 30-day jail sentence after pleading guilty to DUI manslaughter in the March 14 death of 59-year-old Mario Reyes. Stallworth also reached an undisclosed financial settlement with Reyes' family.

Stallworth has also been suspended indefinitely by the NFL. Attorney David Cornwell, who is representing Stallworth in that matter, released a statement Tuesday after the Miami Herald reported on its Web site, citing unidentified sources, that the receiver tested positive for marijuana after the accident.

Cornwell stated any facts surrounding the case that might soon become public were fully known by law enforcement officers, prosecutors, defense attorneys and the judge when the plea agreement was reached.

Those facts could include the presence of marijuana in Stallworth's blood, according to the lawyer's statement. An individual can test positive for marijuana weeks after its use, meaning its presence in Stallworth's blood doesn't necessarily mean he was under the influence at the time of the accident.

While the marijuana hasn't appeared to play a role in Stallworth's criminal case, it could affect his standing with the NFL and its drug policies.

"The NFL's substance abuse policy addresses the specific discipline that may be imposed for use of illegal substances," Cornwell said in his statement. "We are confident that Commissioner [Roger] Goodell will respect existing league polices and consider all of the evidence when making his disciplinary assessment."

On the 911 call released Monday, Stallworth describes how the victim "just ran in front of my car" before he was struck. Police have said Reyes was not in a crosswalk and was rushing to catch a bus when he was hit.

"You got to send an ambulance right now, man," Stallworth told the 911 operator.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4297460
Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press

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He was just barely stoned, so he should be given a trophy and a night with the victim's wife instead of being punished.

[BacktoBasics]

Actually, the law doesn't agree with you, or he wouldn't have been charged with the crime.He wasn't charged with anything until his blood alcohol content was founded. So basically they assumed he was innocent of any crime. There were zero charges until the technicality of his blood alcohol became an issue. No manslaughter or involuntary manslaughter charges existed because it was assumed to be an accident not a crime. That is until they were forced to charge him.

Then the law protected him from doing big time because his action weren't the result of the death "specifically". Even his lawyer cited the provision to help keep him from doing big time.

[BacktoBasics]

He wasn't arrested at the scene. If there isn't a crime they typically let you go. It wasn't a crime until they popped him on a technicality. Its pretty obvious.

[Spursfan092120]

OK...B2B...are you still standing up for the guy? His BAC was over the legal limit, and he was smoking weed....AND he killed a guy...are you still on his side? Weed DOES slow down your reactions...bigtime. A guy from my hometown ran into a building with his car after smoking pot. His excuse? He didn't even see it.

[BacktoBasics]

OK...B2B...are you still standing up for the guy? His BAC was over the legal limit, and he was smoking weed....AND he killed a guy...are you still on his side? Weed DOES slow down your reactions...bigtime. A guy from my hometown ran into a building with his car after smoking pot. His excuse? He didn't even see it.Well if Dante would have jumped the curb and plowed the guy over I wouldn't be in his corner. If Dante would have been speeding, driving recklessly or had run a red light I wouldn't be in his corner. If Dante would have shown signs of being inebriated or if his 911 call sounded like he was impaired I wouldn't be in his corner. If Dante would have fled the scene I wouldn't be in his corner. If Dante was arrested on the spot for any infraction I wouldn't in his corner.

The fact of the matter is that he didn't have any moving violations immediately prior to or during the incident. He showed no signs of being impaired and not one officer at the scene thought he was being reckless or careless. No field sobriety test and no arrest. Had Dante been "smashed" I guarantee you they would have cuffed him on the spot. If he was even slightly impaired it would have shown and the officers would have taken the appropriate actions.

Had that man not been so careless as to dart into the street none of this would have happened.

Its not as if there are dozens of reports floating around about a guy whizzing through traffic meandering drunk all over the place.

Dante acted with sound mind through the entire incident and was released an innocent man until the tests came back. 100% guarantee you that doesn't happen if you even show an inkling of impairment.

[Spursfan092120]

Well if Dante would have jumped the curb and plowed the guy over I wouldn't be in his corner. If Dante would have been speeding, driving recklessly or had run a red light I wouldn't be in his corner. If Dante would have shown signs of being inebriated or if his 911 call sounded like he was impaired I wouldn't be in his corner. If Dante would have fled the scene I wouldn't be in his corner. If Dante was arrested on the spot for any infraction I wouldn't in his corner.

The fact of the matter is that he didn't have any moving violations immediately prior to or during the incident. He showed no signs of being impaired and not one officer at the scene thought he was being reckless or careless. No field sobriety test and no arrest. Had Dante been "smashed" I guarantee you they would have cuffed him on the spot. If he was even slightly impaired it would have shown and the officers would have taken the appropriate actions.

Had that man not been so careless as to dart into the street none of this would have happened.

Its not as if there are dozens of reports floating around about a guy whizzing through traffic meandering drunk all over the place.

Dante acted with sound mind through the entire incident and was released an innocent man until the tests came back. 100% guarantee you that doesn't happen if you even show an inkling of impairment.
So the guy was drunk and high, and you still believe him? You don't think that him being a star athlete had anything to do with him getting off? And you don't think marijuana has something to do with slow reaction time?

[BacktoBasics]

So the guy was drunk and high, and you still believe him? You don't think that him being a star athlete had anything to do with him getting off? And you don't think marijuana has something to do with slow reaction time?Slow reaction time or not the moron still ran out into the street. I'm sure there are millions of elderly who drive with even worse reaction times than Dante.

I think the driving factors in him getting off easy were the fact that he wasn't 100% at fault and the family didn't push the issue.

Being high profile probably did help. If you take away the weed and take away the notion of being under the influence of anything its obvious that he wasn't breaking the law.

If this guy was so massively impaired then why didn't anyone give him a field sobriety test or arrest him?

Answer: He showed no signs of breaking the law.

[BacktoBasics]

There is literally no indication that his reaction time was slow. No indication that he acted any differently than any one else would have sober. Thats the driving facts in him getting off easy.

Show me where it reads that he was swerving all over the road, speeding and ultimately failed to yield the right of way properly.

[Spursfan092120]

Slow reaction time or not the moron still ran out into the street. I'm sure there are millions of elderly who drive with even worse reaction times than Dante.

I think the driving factors in him getting off easy were the fact that he wasn't 100% at fault and the family didn't push the issue.

Being high profile probably did help. If you take away the weed and take away the notion of being under the influence of anything its obvious that he wasn't breaking the law.

If this guy was so massively impaired then why didn't anyone give him a field sobriety test or arrest him?

Answer: He showed no signs of breaking the law.
Dude...how hard is this to understand...he was HIGH...and DRUNK!! He got behind the wheel of a vehicle while high and drunk. That in itself deserves more than 30 days. He's putting everyone he comes in contact with in danger. I can't believe you're standing up for this guy..you're disgusting. He didn't even slow down before he hit the guy, yet he says he gave the guy plenty of warning. If this guy just "jumped out in the street out of nowhere" as you say, how did he give him plenty of warning? That doesn't make sense.

[Spursfan092120]

There is literally no indication that his reaction time was slow. No indication that he acted any differently than any one else would have sober. Thats the driving facts in him getting off easy.

Show me where it reads that he was swerving all over the road, speeding and ultimately failed to yield the right of way properly.
He was high and drunk...his BAC was at a level where reaction time is slowed, and marijuana slows reaction time as well...there's your indication...God...are you 12? Do you even drive?

[BacktoBasics]

He was high and drunk...his BAC was at a level where reaction time is slowed, and marijuana slows reaction time as well...there's your indication...God...are you 12? Do you even drive?We can continue the conversation if you want but if you're going to start acting like a fucking child and hurl insults then I'm not going to waste my time.

I drive. I've driven drunk. I've driven high. I've driven drunk and high. None of that matters. What matter is the facts.

He committed a crime and he's going to do time for that.

Being impaired doesn't automatically make you responsible for other peoples stupidity.

I said earlier on this thread that its the same situation if the moron who ran out into the street would have been behind the wheel and ran a red light plowing into Dante. If that had been the case it'd be just as obvious that the guy who ran the red light caused the accident however the same holds true that Dante would have been guilty of driving under the influence.

The real problem is that people are incapable of seeing the entire picture. They're only concerned with him being over the legal limit and not the actual events that transpired.

How far does it go? How far do you take it. If this guy would have pulled out a gun from the side of the road and shot a passenger in Dante's vehicle do you think Dante would have been charged with murder because a sober Dante could have dodged the bullets? How ridiculous does the situation have to be for the man to be predominately innocent of other crimes and just be guilty of the actual infraction of driving impaired.

At what point is this moron responsible for his own action. When is it on him to not walk out in the road in front of oncoming traffic. As far as I'm concerned the family lucked the fuck out because outside of being technically impaired no crime was committed and this family wouldn't have seen a dime. In fact it might have been the other way around had Dante come up clean.

BTW testing positive for dope doesn't equate to being high during the moment of the accident.

[Obstructed_View]

He wasn't arrested at the scene. If there isn't a crime they typically let you go. It wasn't a crime until they popped him on a technicality. Its pretty obvious.

It's not a technicality, it's a law. If you're impaired after a no-fault accident, you're automatically at fault.

[Obstructed_View]

There is literally no indication that his reaction time was slow. No indication that he acted any differently than any one else would have sober. Thats the driving facts in him getting off easy.

Show me where it reads that he was swerving all over the road, speeding and ultimately failed to yield the right of way properly.

Yeah, because if he were a poor nobody and had done the same thing he'd have gotten the exact same treatment. :lol

[BacktoBasics]

It's not a technicality, it's a law. If you're impaired after a no-fault accident, you're automatically at fault.As stated multiple time in this thread. There is a provision in the state where the accident took place to protect people who are illegally driving in a no fault accident.


Yeah, because if he were a poor nobody and had done the same thing he'd have gotten the exact same treatment. :lolMy point is that he wouldn't have been able to afford the good representation or the large payoff. Which along with the no-fault provision exploited by said lawyer he managed to get off with a reasonable sentence.

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So the guy was drunk and high, and you still believe him? You don't think that him being a star athlete had anything to do with him getting off? And you don't think marijuana has something to do with slow reaction time?

not necessarily.

the article says that weed can stay in your system for up to weeks and thats actually not true. It can stay in your system for up to a year, if your a habitual smoker.

but anyway, you usually stay high for up to 3 hours but weed will stay in your system for weeks, months, years when you're normal.