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PixelPusher
06-19-2009, 10:32 PM
All the angst here and on the internets about how Obama should respond to what's going on in Iran reminded me of the argument John Adams had with Thomas Jefferson regarding whether the U.S. should offer support for the French Revolution

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It's a classic heart vs. head debate; your heart is with Jefferson and his desire for freedom and democracy to flourish; your head is with Adams, as he recognizes that the differing history and cultures of both countries matter, and that successful revolutions can't be managed alone by a few elites in a top-down manner.

EVAY
06-19-2009, 10:41 PM
Pixel, you are 1,000 percent right, and I congratulate you. You have assessed the situation perfectly.

jman3000
06-20-2009, 11:22 AM
Nothing to see here. Move along.

boutons_deux
06-20-2009, 01:02 PM
What's important to "principled" conservatives and bomb-crazy neo-c*nts is that they pimp Iranian freedom and democracy as cover for wanting US oilcos will get to grab that Iranian oil.

mookie2001
06-21-2009, 02:11 PM
the scarlet pimpernels like obama, but different

antimvp
06-21-2009, 04:53 PM
nicely done.

Obama is right, his speech in Cairo was partly responsible for this. Don't mettle until clear victory can be realized.

one thing that can be done, is recognize the new government as soon as we can.

boutons_deux
06-21-2009, 06:04 PM
"recognize the new government"

Mousavi is totally, 180 degrees different from the current guy?

The government, the real power, is the Supreme Leader and all clerics and their "religious" thugs.

Mousavi finally getting in wouldn't be a new government, just a new president, who doesn't really have that much power, would be overridden by the Supreme Leader and clerics if he was too progressive, like Rafsanjani was.