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Galileo
06-22-2009, 01:34 PM
U.S. BTS: Last Known Flights Of 9/11 Planes Took Place Nine Months Before 9/11; None For AA 77

According to a Freedom of Information Act reply from the U.S. Bureau of Transportation Statistics, the last known pre-9/11 flights for three of the four aircraft involved in the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 took place in December, 2000, nine months before the attacks. No pre-9/11 flight information is available for these planes during 2001.

No pre-9/11 final flight information was provided for American Airlines flight 77 (N644AA).

U.S. Code of Federal Regulations requires carriers to provide on-time data for their commercial aircraft on a monthly basis.

Title 14 § 234.4 Reporting of on-time performance.

(a) Each reporting carrier shall file BTS Form 234 “On-Time Flight Performance Report” with the Office of Airline Information on a monthly basis ... and shall contain the following information:

(1) Carrier and flight number.
(2) Aircraft tail number.
(3) Origin and Destination airport codes.

MORE DETAILS AND OFFICIAL MEMOS:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/20456

:blah

LnGrrrR
06-22-2009, 02:33 PM
How often are planes used? I'm guessing more often than once every 9 mos, so this may be a somewhat valid point. (Not that I agree with the theory at all, just that this is an interesting note.)

Dr. Gonzo
06-22-2009, 02:34 PM
Dick Cheney!!

DarrinS
06-22-2009, 02:46 PM
The plot thickens.

ChumpDumper
06-22-2009, 02:50 PM
One need only look to the JREF 9/11 forum -- they love looking into these claims:


N612UA aka Flight 175 at JFK in April 2001: http://www.airliners.net/photo/168079/L/
Same plane at LAX, August 2001: http://www.airliners.net/photo/United%20Airlines/Boeing%20767-222/0188174/L

N334AA aka Flight 11 at O'Hare in July 2001: http://www.airliners.net/photo/American-Airlines/Boeing-767-223-ER/1502300/&sid=cfd129627f26bfd73ac888d91580af0c
In Stockholm, August 2001: http://www.airliners.net/photo/American-Airlines/Boeing-767-223-ER/0188142/&sid=cfd129627f26bfd73ac888d91580af0c

N644AA aka Flight 77 at Miami in Feb 2001: http://www.airliners.net/photo/American-Airlines/Boeing-757-223/0982095/&sid=fad6d2ff123ea38ec059d15d0403332a
At Boston in August 2001: http://www.airliners.net/photo/American-Airlines/Boeing-757-223/0188155/&sid=fad6d2ff123ea38ec059d15d0403332a

N591UA aka Flight 93 at Newark on September 8th, 2001: http://www.airliners.net/photo/United-Airlines/Boeing-757-222/0188157/&sid=b27080485d6ecd9ea773503bd76519a9

Awwww, silly twoofer was so excited as wellhttp://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4834110&postcount=13


The 9/11 Blogger FOIA letter asks for the final arrival times for the hijacked planes. The printout provided lists no flights in the year 2000, hence the poster concludes "U.S. BTS: Last Known Flights Of 9/11 Planes Took Place Nine Months Before 9/11". And so he gets his big headline. But is it true? There's an easy way to find out.

Go to the BTS inquiry page.

http://www.bts.gov/xml/ontimesummarystatistics/src/dstat/OntimeSummaryDepatures.xml

Check "All statistics".

Flight 175 regularly flew out of San Francisco, so choose that as the Origin Airport.

Choose United Airlines as the airline.

Check September for the month.

Check All Days to see information for all of September.

Check 2001 for the year.

Click Submit. And wait (that's a big query).

When it comes back, use your browser to search for Flight 175's tail number, N612UA. And look! It flew out of SF on the 1st, the 5th, the 7th, and the 10th, and (surprise surprise) there are no further flights.

So, the BTS database tells us that there were recorded flights for Flight 175 after 2000. There's no evidence this plane was "grounded" at all. I've not checked the other flights, but does anyone want to bet there aren't records of September 2001 flights for those, too?http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4834193&postcount=27

LnGrrrR
06-22-2009, 02:55 PM
Thanks for doing the work for us all Chump. It sounded pretty fishy to me, but I didn't want to dismiss it outright.

ChumpDumper
06-22-2009, 02:56 PM
I did nothing, although I had seen the pictures before.

LnGrrrR
06-22-2009, 03:08 PM
I did nothing, although I had seen the pictures before.

Take a compliment, prick! :lol

Galileo
06-22-2009, 03:37 PM
One need only look to the JREF 9/11 forum -- they love looking into these claims:

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4834110&postcount=13

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4834193&postcount=27

in other words, official government documents are not a reliable source of evidence.

ChumpDumper
06-22-2009, 03:38 PM
in other words, official government documents are not a reliable source of evidence.In other words, twoofers are incapable of simple cross-checking and not a reliable source of anything.

Wild Cobra
06-22-2009, 04:03 PM
In other words, twoofers are incapable of simple cross-checking and not a reliable source of anything.

No shit.

If they can't find something on their first try, they assume it doesn't exist.