Spurs Discuss Trade For Bucks’ Jefferson

[pad300]

I'd rather get a cheap big or a cheap point guard than two cheap wings who aren't very exciting prospects ... especially if the Spurs have RJ, Manu, Bowen and Mason at the wings.

We'll be filling out the roster with Vet Min players and draft picks at both bigs and wings. The question is, how many wings will we carry.

Assuming Fin goes away, we are commited to 68.7 million for 8 players (Duncan, Bonner, Mahinmi, Hill, Parker, Manu, Mason, Jefferson). We would have to get a minimum of 4 more players, and I'd be shocked if we took less than 6. I can't remember us ever carrying less than 14 players at the start of a season (since the institution of the 15 man roster). Even at the vet min ($457 588), with 4 we are past the tax line.(salary $70.5 Million).

I would expect to see a 3ed pg added to the roster, at least 2 wings, likely 3, and at least 2 bigs. 1 of the wings would be a resigned bowen (vet min, 457588 vs cap). After that, Hairston, Williams, Gist, all very cheap ($457 588 or less), young, and athletic. Attributes that IMO, make them valuable to this team...

The big question is Big men. Here, I am uncertain the direction the FO takes. We need at least 1 more veteran big. Preferably a starting caliber big. Sheed? McDyess? Are we willing to pay either of them?

A smaller concern is 3ed PG. Does Pop trust Hill enough to make him back up PG for a whole season and risk a rookie as 3ed PG, as opposed to the vets he likes to have. There will be some Spurs type PG's in the 2nd round. Lester Hudson for one.

[duncan228]

Nice going, Pop. Trade Bowen? You just made my list. (http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/atlarge/2009/06/nice-going-pop-you-just-made-m.html)
By Roy Bragg

Nothing personal, but I'm hating Coach Gregg Popovich right about now.

The Spurs traded Bruce Bowen, Fabricio Oberto and Kurt Thomas to the Milwaukee Bucks -- the team that beats us like a red-headed step-mule every single year, by the way -- for Richard Jefferson. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4281291)

Pop does this kind of crap without any regard to how it affects other people. I am referring, specifically, to me.

Now I need to find another blogging name. Or a crazy nun.

UPDATE: Richard Oliver tweets that Bowen might be cut loose as soon as he gets to Milwaukee and allowed to re-sign with the Spurs after 30 days. Until then, I stand by the tirade that follows...)

Maybe it was a business decision

I'm no Jerry McGuire, but I think it's a salary dump for the Bucks. According to HoopsHype (http://hoopshype.com/), Bowen is on the books for $4 million next year; Fab's going to get $3.5m, and Thomas was set to earn $3.8m. All were in the last year of their contracts.

Jefferson's good for $14 million this year and $15 million the next year. This saves the Bucks some bucks, because they take $15 million off their 2010-2011 books by losing RJefferson's contract.

Maybe it was a basketball decision.

Jefferson plays like a more offensive-minded version of Tayshaun Prince, and I love TPrince. Roger Mason showed us what youth and athleticism can add to an aging team.

Jefferson is a balla and a good citizen. He'll fit in well here.

But then again..

Pop still makes my list.

He joins Phil Bronstein -- the San Francisco Editor-At-Large who tried to jack my blog title for his blog, which all Hearst papers are required to carry -- on this roll call of infamy.

Also on the list: Sister Mary Bernadette, my 6th grade teacher at St. Luke's. That crazy penguin once dragged me by the ear -- literally -- from the playground to the principal's office for some minor kickball infraction.

I hate this trade because Richard Oliver and I spent two months courting Bowen, via email, phone and Twitter, to blog for mySA's "City Brights (http://www.mysanantonio.com/blogs/voices)" project. He signed on just as the NBA Finals started.

City Brights has many excellent bloggers. There are dozens of new and exciting voices there, adding lots of cool stuff to mySA. We've got some badasses over there, but Bowen was the Big, Bald, Enchilada of the bunch.

And now he's going to Milwaukee. Maybe he'll still blog for us. Maybe not.

Or maybe Pop can do the right thing and get Sister Bernadette out of retirement to blog for us.

[timvp]

This moves makes bringing over Gist a no-brainer. Not only does he fit, his salary is the lowest possible amount.

[Libri]

Good point about Jefferson's minutes. He's a player who can withstand playing a lot of minutes. If the Fab 4 can stay healthy, you don't need that much depth behind them in the playoffs.

Hill alone could be enough ... seriously.

Fab 4. I like the sound of that! :hungry:

[DPG21920]

Good point about Jefferson's minutes. He's a player who can withstand playing a lot of minutes. If the Fab 4 can stay healthy, you don't need that much depth behind them in the playoffs.

Hill alone could be enough ... seriously.

I still think the Spurs need a reliable center. If Ian can help that would be great, but you cannot count on that.

Even if the Spurs were willing to package Bonner/Mason/Finley, it would be hard to get a good center.

[robot89]

I think the spurs will use him (RJ) to get a really good big,
plus on the trade we loose some dead weight (Cash)
Bucks cut bowen so well get him back
thats what im hopping for

[Mark in Austin]

Right now I'd take Dice over Sheed pretty clearly. Now that the Spurs have another good defender to keep people out of the lane, Sheed's D becomes less important than McDyess' rebounding.


Talent vs talent I agree; but I've always thought Sheed would be a better fit next to Duncan.

At this point though, either way I won't complain.

[Pucho!!!]

I wouldnt mind seeing a start to a lineup like this:

PG Parker, Hill
SG Mason, Manu, Williams
SF Richardson, Bowen, Hairston (Hopefully Fin will be traded or retire)
PF Duncan, Gist
C Bonner, Mahimni

So that would leave 3 spots, wow, its hard to predict what the spurs will do next. If the team happens to shape up like this, the questions become who do the spurs go after for a big man and a 3rd string pg. I say (and I know yall might not like this idea, but it makes sense) resign Vaughn for the vet min or draft a PG and then that just leaves the spurs to focus on signing a big man. Does anyone have any idea how much money the spurs have left as of right now after the Jefferson trade?

[manufan10]

I think the spurs will use him (RJ) to get a really good big,
plus on the trade we loose some dead weight (Cash)
Bucks cut bowen so well get him back
thats what im hopping for

That doesn't make sense. Well, at least to me it doesn't. Why not do a 3 team trade then? It would make more sense to do that. I don't think that's what the Spurs are thinking.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Would OKC accept Mason + Finley (picks up option) for Collison?

[tmtcsc]

I like the numbers Rj brings to the team but we are still lacking some attitude. I want a tough, defensive minded BIG to help Tim.

Not to rain on anyone's parade but my biggest concern for the off-season was Tim's health. Is he going to have surgery like Sean Elliott did when he had tendonosis ? Or is he just going to get some rest for it ?

Does anyone have any insight on that ?

[duncan228]

Not to rain on anyone's parade but my biggest concern for the off-season was Tim's health. Is he going to have surgery like Sean Elliott did when he had tendonosis ? Or is he just going to get some rest for it ?

Does anyone have any insight on that ?

There's been nothing official released. The last we heard, at the season's end, was that Duncan would rest and rehab both knees over the summer.

Surgery was never mentioned by Duncan or the Spurs as an option for Duncan. It was only mentioned by the media.

[Bruno]

Spurs and Holt being ready to spend that much money for Jefferson quite shows that they are confident about Manu's and Tim's health.

[bigdog]

Would OKC accept Mason + Finley (picks up option) for Collison?

Possibly, but I don't know. I would think OKC would want to keep Collison there to pair him with Kristic.

[tmtcsc]

There's been nothing official released. The last we heard, at the season's end, was that Duncan would rest and rehab both knees over the summer.

Surgery was never mentioned by Duncan or the Spurs as an option for Duncan. It was only mentioned by the media.

Thanks. He looked better than he has in years before his injury issues. He looked, faster and stronger and lighter. It all starts and ends with # 21. That's why I think he needs some help in the lane. Someone else to help him bang with the bigs and grab a rebound.

[meestahmeestah]

Would OKC accept Mason + Finley (picks up option) for Collison?

I hope so...I'm already following him on Twitter (he's a funny guy) and now that Fab's a Buck I need more Spurs on Twitter. :hat

[rayray2k8]

Will this throw a wrench in the trade if Oberto does not pass his physical??
With his heart condition and all...

[timvp]

Spurs and Holt being ready to spend that much money for Jefferson quite shows that they are confident about Manu's and Tim's health.

Good point. On top of that, Jefferson will help keep Manu and TD healthy during the regular season. Jefferson is built to take the pounding.

[timvp]

Will this throw a wrench in the trade if Oberto does not pass his physical??
With his heart condition and all...

No the Bucks only want him for his half non-guaranteed deal. They won't even give Oberto or Bowen a physical. Doubtful that they even give Kurt Thomas a physical.

[Spursfan092120]

Spurs and Holt being ready to spend that much money for Jefferson quite shows that they are confident about Manu's and Tim's health.
:tu

[bigdog]

Will this throw a wrench in the trade if Oberto does not pass his physical??
With his heart condition and all...

I don't think so. Oberto had an operation done that supposedly fixed it. Either way, I think the Bucks needed this move so much, that they'll just pass Oberto's physical so they could clear the cap space. they're going to release him anyways.

[Spursfan092120]

Is Milwaukee going to release Bowen? Are we going to be able to pick him back up after the 30 day rule?

[baseline bum]

Jefferson is built to take the pounding.

That doesn't sound right, considering Joumana's rumor. :lol

[bigdog]

Is Milwaukee going to release Bowen? Are we going to be able to pick him back up after the 30 day rule?

Read the rest of the threads. The speculation is that Bowen and Oberto will be released.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Is Milwaukee going to release Bowen? Are we going to be able to pick him back up after the 30 day rule?

Yep and yep.

[rayray2k8]

No the Bucks only want him for his half non-guaranteed deal. They won't even give Oberto or Bowen a physical. Doubtful that they even give Kurt Thomas a physical.

Phew. :lol

[ace3g]

Hopefully he continues the positive trend of Spurs players from Arizona (Elliott & Kerr)

[Spurtacus]

Looking forward to some small ball next season especially if Gist can play.

Timmy
Gist
RJ
Manu
TP

One of many lineups we'll see. Not saying we do not need another big because we do if we want to contend with LA.

[Spurtacus]

Looking forward to some small ball next season especially if Gist can play.

Timmy
Gist
RJ
Manu
TP

One of many lineups we'll see. Not saying we do not need another big because we do if we want to contend with LA.

[timvp]

That doesn't sound right, considering Joumana's rumor. :lol

Yeah, a different word probably would have been safer :lol

[Indazone]

Actually the more I think about this trade, it doesn't sound that good to me. Spurs needed more help in the front court. They overspent to get Jefferson when you compare it to the Lakers trade to get Gasol. Why didn't they offer the same trade to the Grizzlies of Oberto, Thomas and Bowen to get younger brother Gasol from the Griz? Either that or another big man that the Grizzlies had because they are overloaded on the front court. You could have gotten Hadaddi, Darko Milicic, Gasol, Warrick, Gay?

[Basketballgirl25]

I don't really know how RJ will do on the Spurs or how the Spurs will be with him, but he is a great player to have if he can become the RJ of the early days in the NBA then the Spurs could be a great team I think looking at the lineup(sorry don't follow the spurs like I do the Nets, but this year I will have too follow more if RJ is a Spur

[Indazone]

If the Spurs add another big to the team, then the trade will be ok.

[timvp]

They overspent to get Jefferson when you compare it to the Lakers trade to get Gasol. Every trade will look bad when you compare it the Gasol trade:lol


Why didn't they offer the same trade to the Grizzlies of Oberto, Thomas and Bowen to get younger brother Gasol from the Griz? Jefferson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fat Gasol.


You could have gotten HadaddiOh no. The Spurs didn't get Hadaddi!

[ChumpDumper]

You could have gotten Hadaddi:lol

[TimDunkem]

If the Spurs add another big to the team, then the trade will be ok.
Well the Spurs just gave up two centers. It's thinner than ever. The FO obviously realizes this too.

[Spurs Brazil]

The RJ trade is key for Finley.

If he wants to play he'll not pick his option because he knows he won't get any minutes.

If he just want to be part of a gooed team, playing very few minutes he'll stay.

[Kori Ellis]

I don't see how anyone can spin this trade into something bad.

The Spurs got Richard Jefferson for Kurt Thomas.

[EricB]

:lol

Its more Rockets fan scrambling now saying "Shit, we HAD a momentary edge on em" :lol

[all_heart]

I think the spurs will use him (RJ) to get a really good big,
plus on the trade we loose some dead weight (Cash)
Bucks cut bowen so well get him back
thats what im hopping for

I think this is quite possible, especially if they are confident of Manu's health. They could use RJ to get a quality big or trade up in the draft to (maybe) get one. Either way Spurs need an athletic big that can rebound and move his feet to guard the better bigs in the league.

[Spurs Brazil]

I don't see how anyone can spin this trade into something bad.

The Spurs got Richard Jefferson for Kurt Thomas.

Agree, this is a great trade.

If we can get a decent big we're the team to beat

[HarlemHeat37]

Yes, we do need big men..however, like others have said, you're trading Richard Jefferson for Kurt Thomas..how can anybody possibly believe this isn't a great trade?..

we still NEED a big man though..not only just a big man, but a starting big man..this should be the next step..the addition of Jefferson makes it a different need though..Gooden is no longer an option, since we can't have another guy that is looking to score..we need a big man that can rebound, play D, and finish..we won't be getting an elite player or anything, but hopefully a serviceable player that can play solid basketball next to Tim..

Mason, Bonner, and/or Finley should be on the block..Gist looks like he might be a Spur next year, and obviously Ian's health is key here..

[iggypop123]

clippers are trying to find buyers for kaman or randolph. camby is their starter. he isnt going anywhere. he is the cheapest option of the 3 bigs and the best

[mardigan]

I don't see how anyone can spin this trade into something bad.

The Spurs got Richard Jefferson for Kurt Thomas.

:lol
Some guy on the Jim Rome show already did. Saying RJ isn't an elite player, doesn't think he will fit into the system, and that the Spurs gave up two great contributors (didnt specify which two). I swear, the Spurs could get Dwight Howard for Matt Bonner and somebody would still have a problem with it.

[mardigan]

Yes, we do need big men..however, like others have said, you're trading Richard Jefferson for Kurt Thomas..how can anybody possibly believe this isn't a great trade?..

we still NEED a big man though..not only just a big man, but a starting big man..this should be the next step..the addition of Jefferson makes it a different need though..Gooden is no longer an option, since we can't have another guy that is looking to score..we need a big man that can rebound, play D, and finish..we won't be getting an elite player or anything, but hopefully a serviceable player that can play solid basketball next to Tim..


What about Ian? Aren't those things supposed to be what he brings to the table?

[DPG21920]

clippers are trying to find buyers for kaman or randolph. camby is their starter. he isnt going anywhere. he is the cheapest option of the 3 bigs and the best

That is not true. He is the most likely to go. He was almost traded to the Spurs last season, and now they have offered him up for Mike Miller supposedly.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:lol
Some guy on the Jim Rome show already did. Saying RJ isn't an elite player, doesn't think he will fit into the system, and that the Spurs gave up two great contributors (didnt specify which two). I swear, the Spurs could get Dwight Howard for Matt Bonner and somebody would still have a problem with it.

Yeah, I saw that.
I didn't get what the hell he was talking about in defense when the other guy stated Bruce is likely coming back.

[manufan10]

That is not true. He is the most likely to go. He was almost traded to the Spurs last season, and now they have offered him up for Mike Miller supposedly.

Give them Michael Finley and a draft pick. Or whatever makes the deal work.

[SenorSpur]

Naaaa... I would pass on Oberto... he is done... I would prefer to have KT back...

Pass on both. Spurs need to move on past both those guys. With the wing position solidified, it's time to upgrade the frontcourt - talentwise. Can't do that by bringing back the same old heads. The Spurs can do better than KT and Fab.

[Sobe_Kucks]

Actually the more I think about this trade, it doesn't sound that good to me. They overspent to get Jefferson when you compare it to the Lakers trade to get Gasol.

Actually the more I think about it George Lucas should write another Star Wars movie like the first one. That made him a lot of money. If he did that again he'd be really rich.

[DrHouse]

If I were the Spurs I'd go ahead and trade Ginobili for a legit big.

If the Spurs do those things then I'd definitely say they have a shot at being a title contender. But if they continue to surround Duncan with anemic big men they aren't going to beat the Lakers.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm scared.

[Duncan2177]

:lol
Some guy on the Jim Rome show already did. Saying RJ isn't an elite player, doesn't think he will fit into the system, and that the Spurs gave up two great contributors (didnt specify which two). I swear, the Spurs could get Dwight Howard for Matt Bonner and somebody would still have a problem with it.

There lakers fans in denial of course they won't admit that it was a great trade for us.:lol

[ShoogarBear]

wow i am amazed you guys are taking on a big contract.

You're amazed? Here are scenes from the announcement presser at the AT&T:

http://www.zeenz.nl/images/uploads/amazed.jpghttp://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1768667/2/istockphoto_1768667_amazed.jpghttp://www.maryonyali.com/images/amazed_mary.jpghttp://www.kzero.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/amazed.jpghttp://static-p4.fotolia.com/jpg/00/08/24/43/400_F_8244368_GsxxUKRGbQpRQh2CPQ6Y629brX2b6syD.jpg

[rayray2k8]

We need a starting center.
Bring back Oberto/Thomas is not the answer.
I hope the spurs aren't done dealing, *cough bonner cough*
Spurs made a hole to fill in a hole.
Bring in Splitter and you just made my summer. :toast

[ShoogarBear]

This is good news for Manu because Jefferson can help carry the load and keep Manu fresh for the playoffs.

This is the key. And it also is going to be a huge help for Roger Mason, even though his minutes will probably go down.

Assuming Pop's infatuation with RMJ at point is over, it makes it easier to both start Manu and still keep him fresh because now you should be able to always have at least three scorers on the floor.

[GooberNuts]

So how does this play into our draft plans? Many people wanted us to find a SF, so do we still go after that or look for a big man instead. I guess it depends if Finley stays and if Gist can play at SF. Maybe just take the best player available?

[Obstructed_View]

Unless the Spurs see a big that can contribute in the draft, or someone they can trade for, I'd imagine that means they are pretty comfortable about keeping Gooden. With Parker, Manu, Duncan, Jefferson and Gooden this suddenly turned into a team that can put up some points.

[Chomag]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Jefferson get arrested for assault charges when he was playing for the NJ? Thats how I'm remembering it anyway.

Don't get me wrong. I think this is a very good pick up for the Spurs, and past is the past but I'm just surprised that Pop would be interested in him.

[Agloco]

But can he still dunk?

More than likely this will be part of the physical. If he can dunk, the deal's off.
:lol:lol:lol

[afireinside20]

Excellent acquistion, this definetely gives us a stronger chance of going for that championship. All we need now is a decent big and like 1 or 2 more players, and were ready to dethrone LA.

[ShoogarBear]

Only downside is that it pretty much kills any chance of getting Joumana Kidd to the Spurs' next Christmas party.

[clubalien]

Spurs discuss trade for Bucks’ Jefferson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-jeffersontrade062309&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
By Adrian Wojnarowski

The San Antonio Spurs are in serious discussions with the Milwaukee Bucks for forward Richard Jefferson, league executives told Yahoo! Sports on Tuesday.

The proposed deal would have the Spurs send send veterans Bruce Bowen, Kurt Thomas and Fabricio Oberto to the Bucks, who are looking to shed the remaining two years, $29.2 million on Jefferson’s contract for the Spurs’ expiring contracts.

The deal isn’t completed, but league executives say both teams appear motivated to get it done.

Jefferson is the athletic, scoring forward that Spurs have craved to complement the aging tandem of Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili. The Spurs have been pursuing the New Jersey Nets Vince Carter too, but it appears Jefferson is the deal that they can make now.

After arriving in Milwaukee last summer from New Jersey, Jefferson averaged 19.6 points for the Bucks last season.

Bowen, 38, has been a staple of the past three Spurs championships and one of the NBA’s most dogged defenders.

Sorry about not being around here more. I have been following the iran protests. I wanted to say my sources confirm this rumor.

[Obstructed_View]

Only downside is that it pretty much kills any chance of getting Joumana Kidd to the Spurs' next Christmas party.

That's a downside?

[Pistons < Spurs]

http://imgburst.com/up/4SOMEL2Qc.jpg

[DPG21920]

That is just wrong P<S.

[Pistons < Spurs]

That is just wrong P<S.

:lol

It had to be done eventually ...

[kjhip1]

for all the naysayers on this trade who are so called "spurs fans"...I had just gotten back from playing ball at the gym when my capt. told me about the trade...HOLY SHIRTS and PANTS! I was floored...talk about someone who can come in and provide instant offense when the Spurs decide to miss shot during the 2nd and 3rd quarter which they are accustomed to doing....as for bigs yeah we are lacking on the frontcourt severely, but The draft can fix that as well as whatever else the FO decides to do because I have a big feeling they are not done...what good is that the our FO finally decided to grow a pair and take a chance....We were scary w/o jefferson and will be a dowright terror for any team..

GOOD JOB FO and GO SPURS GO!!!!!!!!!!!

[rayray2k8]

:lol

It had to be done eventually ...

Mind putting him in black? thanks. :toast

[z0sa]

i remember back when finley signed I was excited.

This shit is way better.

[coyotes_geek]

for all the naysayers on this trade who are so called "spurs fans"...

This trade has naysayers???

[kjhip1]

This trade has naysayers???

hell yeah go look at some of the other threads......

[duncan228]

:lol Love it P < S.

[E20]

GOT DAMN. I come home and I get this. WOW what a suprise and a pleasant one to boot. Holy fuck. I gotta soak this in and think about this.

[Dex]

http://imgburst.com/up/4SOMEL2Qc.jpg

:nope

:lmao

[Kamnik]

WOW! Freaking awsome way to start the offseason!

Incredibly good trade for the Spurs! Now let's have our fingers crossed for a decent bigman besides TD!

Way to go front office!

@Pistonfan: :toast

[exstatic]

Splash of cold water: The Spurs are at $59.7M with just 4 players. If you go to hoopshype and subtract the 3 outgoing players and add RJeff, you get $68.7M for 11 players. If Finley opts out, you can shave $2.5M off that, but also remove one roster filled spot.

Plan your other off season dreams with that in mind. I'm thinking no Gooden, myself. The rest of the offseason will consist of Marcus Williams, Malik Hairston, and some big stiff to fill out the bigs rotation.

[z0sa]

Splash of cold water: The Spurs are at $59.7M with just 4 players. If you go to hoopshype and subtract the 3 outgoing players and add RJeff, you get $68.7M for 11 players. If Finley opts out, you can shave $2.5M off that, but also remove one roster filled spot.

Plan your other off season dreams with that in mind. I'm thinking no Gooden, myself. The rest of the offseason will consist of Marcus Williams, Malik Hairston, and some big stiff to fill out the bigs rotation.




The question is ..


How deep? How deep will Holt, and the other owners, reach? Judging from the past and the economy, not much further. You can always hope though.

[Bruno]

Oberto has been traded to Detroit for Amir Johnson.

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Baseline/entry/view/25879/bucks_trade_oberto_to_pistons_for_amir_johnson

[loveforthegame]

It's a good move for the Bucks. Flip Oberto for a big like Johnson is a steal while also saving the Pistons more money.

[z0sa]

Perhaps Bowen isn't done either?

[Sense]

Oberto has been traded to Detroit for Amir Johnson.

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Baseline/entry/view/25879/bucks_trade_oberto_to_pistons_for_amir_johnson

interesting

[benefactor]

Hell, if Detroit wanted to get rid of Amir that bad we would have done that a long time ago.

[silverblackfan]

Wow! Coming home to see this trade was exciting. Good job getting an excellent offensive option to keep those droughts from happening in the 3rd quarter. The back court is looking might scary now.
I worry about the salary cap, but it feels like the Spurs are not done yet.

[Capt Bringdown]

Now that I think about it, Thomas could very well be bought out by the Bucks. I wouldn't be shocked to see him back in a Spurs uniform.


Oh God, please no.
I wouldn't be shocked either, just depressed, disappointed and extremely pissed off.
Thomas, while sometimes performing adequately (just barely) in the regular season, is an unqualified disaster in the playoffs.
Thomas is a poster child (check that, poster aging stiff) for the Spurs problems the past two years.
Good riddance, slobbo!

[lefty]

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/1033/jeffspurs.jpg

[bigdog]

Oh God, please no.
I wouldn't be shocked either, just depressed, disappointed and extremely pissed off.
Thomas, while sometimes performing adequately (just barely) in the regular season, is an unqualified disaster in the playoffs.
Thomas is a poster child (check that, poster aging stiff) for the Spurs problems the past two years.
Good riddance, slobbo!

do you realize that while Duncan was hopping on one foot late in the playoffs and late in the season, Kurt Thomas had several double doubles?

[wut]

In 2008-09, Jefferson averaged 6.3 FTA/gm. Only Duncan, among the Spurs, averaged more (6.4) and RJ's average puts him more than 1 FTA/gm ahead of Parker and 2 FTA/gm ahead of Ginobili.

Divide by 3 when you put a Spurs jersey on. :lol

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Interesting move because it clears 3 old players who simply don't have the speed or athleticism to keep up with today's NBA any more, not to mention an average age of what, 35, while it is also a concession to the fact that the NBA is now an offensive game. Like it or not, you need to have a decent offense to win today because all of the advantages have been given to offensive players.

On the upside, we gave up very little to get a quality starter in a weak position for the team, and it takes pressure off Manu to score, which hopefully means he'll pretty much become a specialist closer and otherwise get a lot of rest.

On the downside, with that salary, the vaunted 2010 Plan is out the window, and it makes me wonder what the team could have accomplished without that flawed plan dictating their moves for the last 3 years.

Thank you to Bruce, who was part of the Big 4 for 3 rings (he may well be waived and come back mid-season) and will live on in the hearts of True Spurs Fans, Fab who played really well in 2007, and KT, who was great the last two regular seasons.

Welcome RJeff!

PS I can see Jefferson fitting very well here as he seems to be a smart, coachable player. Let's hope he fits like a glove.

[Yuixafun]

On the downside, with that salary 2010 is out the window and it makes you wonder what the team could have accomplished without that flawed plan dictating their moves for the last 3 years.



Break'n the seal man!

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Break'n the seal man!

?

2010 was a dumb plan to begin with, and yeah, they finally realised that and "broke the seal", but it's annoying they persisted with it so long and all that it resulted in was RJeff. The team could have made some far better moves over the last 3 years if they'd not been handcuffed by The Plan.

[Yuixafun]

It's a phrase.

I was downtown with some ladies when one announced she had to pee. A voice chimed in 'don't break the seal!.'

Apparently once you go, you'll be going all night.

[EricB]

Better than crossing the streams I suppose.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Props to the front office. I'm extremely excited by this trade.

This year's playoffs showed me that the Spurs weren't really trailing the top teams by as much as the regular season may have led people to think. A healthy Manu and Tim and the Spurs would have battled deep into the post season as usual. Now if the Spurs can turn offseason miracle #2 and acquire a viable center, I think they're back on top where they belong.

The 2010 plan was risky at best. This trade essentially accomplished the goal of the 2010 plan a year early, and gives Tim another year to go for that 5th ring.

I like this move...no...I love this move.








I'll be dusting off the SPAM cans. This is gonna be fun.....

[timvp]

Props to the front office. I'm extremely excited by this trade.

This year's playoffs showed me that the Spurs weren't really trailing the top teams by as much as the regular season may have led people to think. A healthy Manu and Tim and the Spurs would have battled deep into the post season as usual. Now if the Spurs can turn offseason miracle #2 and acquire a viable center, I think they're back on top where they belong.

The 2010 plan was risky at best. This trade essentially accomplished the goal of the 2010 plan a year early, and gives Tim another year to go for that 5th ring.

I like this move...no...I love this move.








I'll be dusting off the SPAM cans. This is gonna be fun.....Well said. This trade was like a successful 2010 plan moved up to this year. It's not a trade that turns the Spurs immediately into championship favorites but it bridges the talent gap. Hope that a capable big emerges, the team stays healthy and the Spurs have a legit chance.

[Dex]

If the Spurs were now able to someow land Rasheed Wallace, I'm pretty sure my head would :smchode:

[Spursfan092120]

Read the rest of the threads. The speculation is that Bowen and Oberto will be released.
yeah...I didn't have time to read this afternoon when I posted this..I was leaving the house.

[Spursfan092120]

If the Spurs were now able to someow land Rasheed Wallace, I'm pretty sure my head would :smchode:
No shit...

Tony Parker
Manu Ginobili
Richard Jefferson
Tim Duncan
Rasheed Wallace...

I'd just about lose it.

[bigdog]

No shit...

Tony Parker
Manu Ginobili
Richard Jefferson
Tim Duncan
Rasheed Wallace...

I'd just about lose it.

If the Spurs got Wallace, I'd go absolutely crazy. He's nowhere near what he used to be, but if motivated enough on a championship-contender, he'd be a great fit.

[Yuixafun]

Haha, him and Timmy are polar opposites, in play style and personality.

Ball don't lie!!

[5in10]

maybe we should throw in the rights to splitter and a couple of second rounds for their first round pick

[Marcus Bryant]

Starters
1 Parker
2 Ginobili
3 Jefferson
4 Duncan
5 McDyess

Bench
1 Hill
2 Mason
3 Bowen
4 Bonner
4/5 Mahinmi
5 Nesterovic

The last bench spot could be a 3rd PG or maybe another wing. That would be about the best starting lineup I think the Spurs could hope to come out of this offseason with.

Wallace is a little bit overrated vis a vis McDyess. McDyess shot about 10% better from the field. True, he doesn't have the 3 point range, but he's solid on the 18 to 20 foot J. I think he's a better rebounder, due in part to the fact that he doesn't hang around the 3 point line. I'm not sure Wallace would improve the spacing for TD that much.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Anyone who is whining about the 2010 plan being shot is an idiot.

Jefferson's far better than we would have ended up with next summer had we stood pat. Glad the front office didn't have a chance to screw that one up next year.

[Dex]

Starters
1 Parker
2 Ginobili
3 Jefferson
4 Duncan
5 McDyess

Bench
1 Hill
2 Mason
3 Bowen
4 Bonner
4/5 Mahinmi
5 Nesterovic

The last bench spot could be a 3rd PG or maybe another wing. That would be about the best starting lineup I think the Spurs could hope to come out of this offseason with.

Wallace is a little bit overrated vis a vis McDyess. McDyess shot about 10% better from the field. True, he doesn't have the 3 point range, but he's solid on the 18 to 20 foot J. I think he's a better rebounder, due in part to the fact that he doesn't hang around the 3 point line. I'm not sure Wallace would improve the spacing for TD that much.

Yeah, McDyess would arguably be a better fit. We obviously need some strength in the front court, and he fits the typical "scrappy-player-looking-for-a-ring" profile for Spurs. If we're going to have to put up with Bonner again next season, the last thing we need is another big man roaming around at the arc, but Antonio could still stretch the paint a little bit with his shot.

Not to mention that for all of his talents, Wallace does seem to be tailing off and is...well...crazy. :downspin:

[Yuixafun]

Need another defensive presence on the perimeter, a specialist imo.

[bigdog]

Need another defensive presence on the perimeter, a specialist imo.

Why? Hill is going to be a great defender at the PG spot, Manu is a very good defender at SG, and Jefferson plays pretty good defense too.

[Galileo]

No shit...

Tony Parker
Manu Ginobili
Richard Jefferson
Tim Duncan
Rasheed Wallace...

I'd just about lose it.

70 wins, here we come!

[Yuixafun]

Why? Hill is going to be a great defender at the PG spot, Manu is a very good defender at SG, and Jefferson plays pretty good defense too.

R.C. said it himself at the end of the interview posted in one of these threads they are looking for another perimeter defensive presence.

Even in his diminished state Bowen was our best. If he comes back his skills will be further eroded and if he doesn't our team lacks a guy you can put on the opposing teams best scorer to try and slow him down.

Hill Manu and Jefferson are not stoppers. Maybe Hill eventually, but he can only guard 2 positions?

It would be an important piece to another championship run to have someone to defend the elite wing players in the game, Durant/Melo/Kobe/Bron/Wade etc...

[tp2021]

http://imgburst.com/up/4SOMEL2Qc.jpg


:lol

It had to be done eventually ...

That's what RJ is sayin...


Great shoop, P<S!!

[Spursmania]

:hungry::hungry:

Yeah baby:smokin

[lefty]

Those reactions :lol

[slick'81]

god damn if only we had known

[ElNono]

Amazing trade :elephant


Plus, Jefferson is good damn defensive player, that should make up for Bowen's basence

ahem.... :lol

[Venti Quattro]

:hungry::hungry:

Yeah baby:smokin

:lmao

[lefty]

ahem.... :lol

:lol

[baseline bum]

Wow. Remember when we thought this guy was going to at least be better than 2008 Finley? :depressed

[timtonymanu]

This was the same offseason where the Lakers got Ron Artest and the Mavs got Shawn Marion. 2 years later, both guys won championships. 2 years later, Jefferson still can't fit in with the Spurs.

[Mr. Body]

This was the same offseason where the Lakers got Ron Artest and the Mavs got Shawn Marion. 2 years later, both guys won championships. 2 years later, Jefferson still can't fit in with the Spurs.

Well, when you put it that way...

[stephen jackson]

sounded like a awesome idea at the time :(
we forgot he was a mental midget