Spurs salary/Roster...What's next for you guys?

[jonnybravo]

Any guesses?

Spurs are at:

Duncan - 22.3
Manu - 10.7
TP - 12.6
RJ - 14.2
Mason - 3.78
Bonner - 3.25
George Hill - 1.1

Total for 7 players - $68 M.

Ouch. You guys think the owner is going to go all in? Trade away draft picks and sign a few minimum players? One of big 3 might be gone? Throw caution and go hogwild with the MLE/LLE on July 1st?

I got that off Hoopshype and I know that site's salary section isn't 100% accurate but that's the best I could do.

[z0sa]

Any guesses?

Spurs are at:

Duncan - 22.3
Manu - 10.7
TP - 12.6
RJ - 14.2
Mason - 3.78
Bonner - 3.25
George Hill - 1.1

Total for 7 players - $68 M.

Ouch. You guys think the owner is going to go all in? Trade away draft picks and sign a few minimum players? One of big 3 might be gone?

I got that off Hoopshype and I know that site's salary section isn't 100% accurate but that's the best I could do.

bowen will return for the vet minimum, so our other hole at big man can be filled with the MLE. Here's to a defensive minded one.

About the Big 3. This Jefferson trade, coupled with Manu being in a contract year yet his future health status unclear, lends me to believe the Spurs shopped Manu and didn't find any great deals, so they're waiting til closer to the trade deadline to dangle the bait again (while assessing Manu's health - a fully healthy Manu will be worth more than the one we have today.)

[Kori Ellis]

Why would one of the Big 3 be gone?

They'll pick Bowen back up for the minimum, hope Mahinmi pans out, Finley will probably pick up his option. They'll take a look at some young guys (M Williams/Hairston).. Then probably pick up a vet big or look to trade Bonner/Mason.

[rayray2k8]

Hope Bonner is next to go. Hopefully JV and Finley as well.

[ChumpDumper]

What is "ouch" about that?

[iggypop123]

What is "ouch" about that?

luxury tax. people throw around the MLE like its nothing but it might as well be 10 million dollars cause of tax

[loveforthegame]

Bowen resigns for the minimum.

Finley picks up his option and becomes a fixture at the end of the bench.

The Spurs will look to add either Hairston, Gist, the 37th pick, or someone else.

Mason, Bonner, and possibly Hill will be packaged for a big man.

[Spurtacus]

Bonner/Vaughn/Udoka need to go. Maybe Finley.

[ChumpDumper]

In don't see much "ouch" here with that lineup. Even if we just rounded out the roster with minimum salary players, that's pretty sweet.

Ouchless.

[jonnybravo]

Bowen resigns for the minimum.

Finley picks up his option and becomes a fixture at the end of the bench.

The Spurs will look to add either Hairston, Gist, the 37th pick, or someone else.

Mason, Bonner, and possibly Hill will be packaged for a big man.

Finley's contract isn't a player option though is it? It's a qualifying offer so they can just let him walk right?

[ChumpDumper]

Finley's contract isn't a player option though is it? It's a qualifying offer so they can just let him walk right?One does not often see qualifying offers for 13-year vets.

[coyotes_geek]

luxury tax. people throw around the MLE like its nothing but it might as well be 10 million dollars cause of tax

Take the luxury tax hit now then get that money back in a few years by going into cheapskate mode once Duncan hangs it up.

[coyotes_geek]

Finley's contract isn't a player option though is it? It's a qualifying offer so they can just let him walk right?

It is a player option.

[EricB]

The only ouch is that Jefferson makes more than Tony Parker.

Genius move there New Jersey :lol

[EricB]

Take the luxury tax hit now then get that money back in a few years by going into cheapskate mode once Duncan hangs it up.


That is not at all what they will do.....

[jonnybravo]

It is a player option.

Ah. Yet another inaccuracy from Hoopshype.

[bigdog]

Finley's contract isn't a player option though is it? It's a qualifying offer so they can just let him walk right?

No, it's a player option, and I'm starting to like the idea of having Finley as a 2nd/3rd string SF. Even if he's backing up Jefferson, it's MUCH better than Finley starting and playing 30 mpg.

[DPG21920]

Take the luxury tax hit now then get that money back in a few years by going into cheapskate mode once Duncan hangs it up.

It looks like what we spoke about came to fruition :tu

Avoid 2010 rush and go now.

[timvp]

In don't see much "ouch" here with that lineup. Even if we just rounded out the roster with minimum salary players, that's pretty sweet.

Ouchless.

:tu

It basically works out as if the Spurs signed RJ with the MLE.

[coyotes_geek]

That is not at all what they will do.....

I know we'd all like to hope that when Duncan hangs it up they can land a new franchise player immediately and keep on rolling, but that's the exception not the rule. The Spurs have been incredibly blessed to be one of the few teams in history to have been able to pull that off. I'm certainly not going to complain if that happens, but in all likelihood the Spurs are headed towards some rough years once Duncan hangs it up.

[z0sa]

:tu

It basically works out as if the Spurs signed RJ with the MLE.

so the spurs lost their mle with this trade?

[coyotes_geek]

It looks like what we spoke about came to fruition :tu

Avoid 2010 rush and go now.

:tu

It sure did. A much better scenario for us.

[slayermin]

Man, everybody is down on Bonner. Unless we get Rasheed, we need to keep him.

[ChumpDumper]

so the spurs lost their mle with this trade?Not officially -- but they may not want to spend it all now.

[z0sa]

Not officially -- but they may not want to spend it all now.

I'm assuming its because they could possibly go over the tax threshold to fill out the rest of the roster?

[Mel_13]

so the spurs lost their mle with this trade?

The MLE is completely intact, but with tax the cost of using the MLE has effectively doubled.

[jonnybravo]

so the spurs lost their mle with this trade?

Nah you still have the mle.

In terms of salary add-on, it's sorta like an mle tacked on. Sorta.

[vander]

Bonner will be better now with Jefferson collapsing the D, he'll get more open looks, get more comfortable and confident.

if we can keep Gooden, we should be all right with TD, Gooden, Mahinmi, and Bonner

[z0sa]

if we can keep Gooden, we should be all right with TD, Gooden, Mahinmi, and Bonner

I don't like the sound of Gooden, not if there's better defensively at all. Screw offense, I need a talented big man on D next to Timmy if we're paying money for one. Gooden is great offensively but seems to lack the diligence required to be a good defender (one that can take turns guarding opposing superstar bigs as opposed to just Tim if you want the job done).

[ChumpDumper]

So assuming Finley picks up the option there's what -- nine players under contract?

Get Bowen and Oberto back for the minimum and sign the top three Toros from last season -- Hairston, Williams and Jones.

May be too slow up front; you could look for someone a little more athletic than Oberto/Jones. Nothing impossible.

[DPG21920]

So assuming Finley picks up the option there's what -- nine players under contract?

Get Bowen and Oberto back for the minimum and sign the top three Toros from last season -- Hairston, Williams and Jones.

May be too slow up front; you could look for someone a little more athletic than Oberto/Jones. Nothing impossible.

I do not think that puts the Spurs past the Lakers imo. They need another contributing piece at the pf/c spot. It will be difficult. They might have to venture into the luxury tax and I do not think they will.

If they do get a center/pf, then filling out the roster with toros is fine.

[coyotes_geek]

I do not think that puts the Spurs past the Lakers imo. They need another contributing piece at the pf/c spot. It will be difficult. They might have to venture into the luxury tax and I do not think they will.

If they do get a center/pf, then filling out the roster with toros is fine.

Agreed. The Spurs had two holes to fill and this deal only addresses one. If they don't get a quality big, via trade for FA, then getting RJ still doesn't put them back on the short list of contenders IMO.

[ChumpDumper]

Of they are going to get anyone else of starting quality, there will probably have to be another trade. I was just throwing out the minimum money option.

[timvp]

So assuming Finley picks up the option there's what -- nine players under contract?

Get Bowen and Oberto back for the minimum and sign the top three Toros from last season -- Hairston, Williams and Jones.

May be too slow up front; you could look for someone a little more athletic than Oberto/Jones. Nothing impossible.

I like the idea of Jones on this roster.

[vander]

I don't like the sound of Gooden, not if there's better defensively at all. Screw offense, I need a talented big man on D next to Timmy if we're paying money for one. Gooden is great offensively but seems to lack the diligence required to be a good defender (one that can take turns guarding opposing superstar bigs as opposed to just Tim if you want the job done).

Defense can be learned, Gooden will most definitely improve in that area. the post game that he has is a little harder to come buy. and since Timmy can't really beat defenders one-on-one/create his own shot anymore, I like having Gooden around.

[SouthTexasRancher]

Vaughn, Udoka, Finley & Bonner..........GONE!!! At least I hope so.

To compete with the Lakers we do need a legit Center with length...who can play DRob type Defense! Mahimi will be a backup at best. We do not need scoring from the 'C' but, we do need rebounds & blocks ...height & length...smarts & muscle!

[ChumpDumper]

I like the idea of Jones on this roster.Now that Thomas is gone, signing a strong man like Jones makes sense.

[MaNu4Tres]

The MLE is completely intact, but with tax the cost of using the MLE has effectively doubled.

Hey Mel.. I thought Ginobili had to be included in a trade for Jefferson?

[bigdog]

Now that Thomas is gone, signing a strong man like Jones makes sense.

I completely forgot about Jones. He has pretty good size, and is strong and athletic. Could be a pretty good 3rd string C for the Spurs, maybe even compete with Ian for the 2nd spot. Also, would be a cheap option.

[Hemotivo]

So assuming Finley picks up the option there's what -- nine players under contract?

Get Bowen and Oberto back for the minimum and sign the top three Toros from last season -- Hairston, Williams and Jones.

May be too slow up front; you could look for someone a little more athletic than Oberto/Jones. Nothing impossible.

:lobt:

[Libri]

If the Spurs want Finley back then maybe they can convince him to decline the player option and then resign him for the minimum. They can save some money there.

[timvp]

Defense can be learned, Gooden will most definitely improve in that area. the post game that he has is a little harder to come buy. and since Timmy can't really beat defenders one-on-one/create his own shot anymore, I like having Gooden around.

I'd rather get a defender than Gooden. The offense should be good enough now.

The Spurs need a shotblocker/rebounder.

[Mel_13]

Hey Mel.. I thought Ginobili had to be included in a trade for Jefferson?



Read the thread. I said that they if they acquired RJ without including Manu, they would have to exceed the tax or fill most of the remaining roster with minimum salary players. That remains true.

[Gino20]

I'd rather get a defender than Gooden. The offense should be good enough now.

The Spurs need a shotblocker/rebounder.

Can the Spurs still use their entire mid-level exception to pick-up another big? There are some good-decent bigs that are out there.

[ChumpDumper]

Jones just took part in the D-League's "Elite" mini camp last weekend. Scouts from 17 NBA teams were there. I guess we'll see which summer league squad he plays for.

[vander]

I'd rather get a defender than Gooden. The offense should be good enough now.

The Spurs need a shotblocker/rebounder.

both Ian and Gooden have the athleticism/potential to be good defenders, shot blockers, rebounders.
A REAL defensive force in this league is an expensive commodity, the other cheap options getting mentioned around here don't impress me much at all

[ChumpDumper]

I forgot Gist.

There's the athletic big man.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

What Jones are we talking about?

[coyotes_geek]

Can the Spurs still use their entire mid-level exception to pick-up another big? There are some good-decent bigs that are out there.

They can, the question is whether or not they would want to.

[Bukefal]

Udoka definitely needs to go.

[timvp]

I forgot Gist.

There's the athletic big man.

Gist makes a huge amount of sense for next year. Lowest allowed salary and fits a need?

No reason not to bring him over.

[bigdog]

What Jones are we talking about?

Dwayne Jones, from the Toros.

[ChumpDumper]

What Jones are we talking about?Dwayne.

[timvp]

Udoka definitely needs to go.

Udoka is hopefully gone. This trade also means you only need to keep one young swingman (Hairston, Williams, Sanikidze or draft pick). No need to keep Hairston and Williams now.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Off the top of my head, but would OKC accept Mason + Finley (picks up option) for Collison?

[ChumpDumper]

Udoka is hopefully gone. This trade also means you only need to keep one young swingman (Hairston, Williams, Sanikidze or draft pick). No need to keep Hairston and Williams now.Depends on if they are going to pretend Williams is a point guard.

[holcs50]

Yea since we are up around the lux tax now a trade involving mason would actually be a good way to go to get a serviceable big man. IDK, will be interesting to see how the big man situation plays out.

But for the time lets all just give props to the FO for pulling off an absolutely AMAZING deal! Big 3 intact, prob can get bowen back if they want, lose two big men who didn't do much at all anyways. Steal!

[timvp]

Depends on if they are going to pretend Williams is a point guard.Doubtful that Williams could play PG in the NBA.

[Libri]

This trade might discourage the Spurs from trading into the first round. They will want as much salary flexibility as they can get instead of dealing with a first round guaranteed contract.

[ChumpDumper]

Doubtful that Williams could play PG in the NBA.Well, there's a reason he played the point exclusively last season before being called up.

I have doubts too -- that's why I used the word pretend -- but that's how the Spurs chose to develop him.

[tav1]

Well, there's a reason he played the point exclusively last season before being called up.

I have doubts too -- that's why I used the word pretend -- but that's how the Spurs chose to develop him.

I think Williams as JV's replacement is actually the plan.

[Libri]

Doubtful that Williams could play PG in the NBA.

That was the Williams I was referring as the third string point guard. I never thought of him as a point guard but since he was doing well at that position in D-League, I thought he could be a cheap option.

[jjktkk]

Defense can be learned, Gooden will most definitely improve in that area. the post game that he has is a little harder to come buy. and since Timmy can't really beat defenders one-on-one/create his own shot anymore, I like having Gooden around.

Defense is not learned. Defense is all about effort. Some players are not willing to sacrafice their effort on the defensive end. And you got be kidding about Duncan not being able to beat defenders one on one anymore right?

[angelbelow]

probably bring in gist, hairston, williams all for min. i would still want to resign gooden + a defensive minded big man.

[jjktkk]

Depends on if they are going to pretend Williams is a point guard.

Williams could possibly play PG paired with Ginoboli in cetain lineups. Haven't seen how well Williams handles the rock, but I like his size. I'm sure if Williams makes the Spurs this year he will be riding the pine anyway.

[jjktkk]

probably bring in gist, hairston, williams all for min. i would still want to resign gooden + a defensive minded big man.

I think Gist has got a real shot to not only make the Spurs roster, but be a solid rotation player at both the 3 and 4 positions.

[Mal]

We need Gist, Hairston as experienced young. We need to draft some NCAA seniors. Spurs don`t have room and time for "not NBA ready" type players. Whole roster should be filled with players, that could have impact. No time for experiments.

[dbestpro]

Look for Finley to reup and then get traded along with Bonner for the big. 5.7 mil probably at 5.2 mil.

The bench then would show young fillers like Mahinmi C, Williams SG/PG, Haristion SF, Gist SF/PF. I also got a feeling they will make another run for Pops Mensha for the bench. Add a player from the draft with Mason and Hill.

[urunobili]

God now Goran Suton looks like a perfect fit... Goran>>>>Oberto

[venitian navigator]

In 30 days Bowen, Oberto and Thomas could probably be all three on the market again...Bowen and Oberto I'm quite sure of it, Thomas probably given a buy out.
It makes sense for the bucks, 'cause Thomas is probably too old for their plans and wish to play for a contender again.
In case, I think ther's a chance we re-sign all three...so we could end this trade giving nothing for RJ.

[HarlemHeat37]

Gooden is not coming back IMO..I was for him coming him, but it doesn't make sense anymore..we need role players now..Gooden is a score-first role player, which is something we simply don't need anymore with the addition of RJ..there aren't enough balls to go around..

Bowen will re-sign for the minimum, so that should be fine..the final perimeter spot will probably go to Hairston or Williams IMO..if they decide to play Williams at SF and have them and anybody else go at it in training camp for the final wing spot, I feel like Malik is good enough to take the spot..we'll have to see what happens though..if they're going to play Williams at PG, he'll probably be the final perimeter player on the roster, at least at first, since Pop likes his PG experiments..

this makes the most sense though..Williams and Hairston are both experienced in our system, and they would be low-cost options..it's just logical to go with one of them to fill out the perimeter..with the RJ trade, you probably can't have both in there..

Gist should be a given now, assuming he plays well enough in SL and in training camp..he should be good enough to play the energy big man role off the bench, or the small-ball PF..

Ian is a no-brainer..low-cost option, and the Spurs have invested time and effort in him..he needs to be important this season..

so it looks like our best option to get a big man will be to trade Mason, Bonner, and/or Finley..

I'm liking the youth approach though..RJ is only 29, Hill is a given if he's still on the roster, Ian is a given as well if he's healthy, Gist should be in there, and probably one of Hairston or Williams..

something I haven't seen many people mention so far..if Kurt Thomas gets bought out, would he be interested in returning?..I would love for him to return and play a bench role for the minimum..

[Mal]

Tell me some big vets without ring ? Perfect suit for Spurs IMO

[coyotes_geek]

Look for Finley to reup and then get traded along with Bonner for the big. 5.7 mil probably at 5.2 mil.

The bench then would show young fillers like Mahinmi C, Williams SG/PG, Haristion SF, Gist SF/PF. I also got a feeling they will make another run for Pops Mensha for the bench. Add a player from the draft with Mason and Hill.

How many project players do you want on the Spurs? I'm more than fine with carrying a few of those guys, but 6? No thanks. There's going to be some quality vets who can be had for league min dollars. The Spurs need to get a couple of those guys too.

[Drachen]

RJ..there aren't enough balls to go around..



:lol:lol:lol:lmao:lmao:rollin:rollin

[HarlemHeat37]

6 is definitely way too much..

I expect there to be Ian, Gist, and either Hairston or Williams..3 seems like a good number..

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol:lol:lol:lmao:lmao:rollin:rollin

that's just what I do bro..I provide analysis, with a little comedy mixed in..

[mcdunk]

Tell me some big vets without ring ? Perfect suit for Spurs IMO

Antonio McDyess is an unrestricted free agent big that mostly plays PF but would work as good as Thomas. He made around $1million last year.

[Solid D]

I'd rather get a defender than Gooden. The offense should be good enough now.

The Spurs need a shotblocker/rebounder.

The 100% correct solution. :tu

[Agloco]

Finley's contract isn't a player option though is it? It's a qualifying offer so they can just let him walk right?

It's a player option.