SC Governor takes a vacation

[LnGrrrR]

Strange...http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/24/south.carolina.governor/index.html



South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford did not spend the last five days hiking the Appalachian Trail -- as his staff indicated -- but instead was in Buenos Aires, Argentina, he told The State newspaper.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/POLITICS/06/24/south.carolina.governor/art.mark.sanford.gi.jpg Gov. Mark Sanford told The State newspaper he was surprised the story was attracting such attention.


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Spotted returning from the trip at the Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport in Atlanta, Georgia, Wednesday morning, the Republican governor told The State he had considered hiking the Appalachian Trail after his state's busy legislative season ended but instead decided differently.
"I wanted to do something exotic. It's a great city," Sanford said, referring to Buenos Aires.
The governor will speak with reporters Wednesday at 2 p.m. ET, his office announced.
Sanford's staff and family seemed to be in the dark about his whereabouts. Sanford (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Mark_Sanford) also said no one else accompanied him on the trip, the paper reported. The Republican governor and possible 2012 contender told the newspaper only that he took a drive along the coastline on his trip.


What type of person just says, "Hey, instead of taking a hike, I'm just going to fly by myself to another country for a week. Oh, and my family doesn't need to know either."

Just bizarre.

[clambake]

i call bullshit.

i heard he went with Rush on a "little boy" tour.

[Bartleby]

"possible 2012 contender . . ."

Not anymore.

[angrydude]

good for him. Seriously, who cares? The state didn't fall apart because the press didn't know where he was.

[LnGrrrR]

good for him. Seriously, who cares? The state didn't fall apart because the press didn't know where he was.

You mean, apart from the fact that just flying to Argentina without telling your family or anyone in your staff is pretty erratic?

It even states further in the article that the police feel the governor should at least tell them that he's leaving so they don't suspect foul play, and so the lieutenant gov can handle things while he's away.

[coyotes_geek]

He's a big Spurs fan and wanted to personally console Oberto through these trying days.

[Wild Cobra]

Strange...http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/24/south.carolina.governor/index.html



What type of person just says, "Hey, instead of taking a hike, I'm just going to fly by myself to another country for a week. Oh, and my family doesn't need to know either."

Just bizarre.
Assuming it's true, misdirection for privacy...

[clambake]

Assuming it's true, misdirection for privacy...

going awol on your state.

[Extra Stout]

What type of person just says, "Hey, instead of taking a hike, I'm just going to fly by myself to another country for a week. Oh, and my family doesn't need to know either."
The kind of person who has someone waiting for him in that country, someone he didn't want his family to know about.

[jman3000]

I'm assuming he has children. That's what's really weird about this... he was gone on Father's Day and didn't tell his family where he was.

Spending 2 or 3 days driving the coast? That's an iffy one.

Unplugging for a bit after an intense showdown is one thing... but totally going off grid for 4 days, especially when you're the governor of a state, is another.

[Extra Stout]

"I wanted to do somebody exotic. It's a great city," Sanford said, referring to Buenos Aires.

[LnGrrrR]

The kind of person who has someone waiting for him in that country, someone he didn't want his family to know about.


Bingo.

Edit: Or, he could just be losing it. They've mentioned a few other odd behaviors in the article.

[LnGrrrR]

Assuming it's true, misdirection for privacy...

You're really playing the skeptic today, eh?

[clambake]

maybe he's in the first stages of eventually changing his name to marsha.

[Wild Cobra]

You're really playing the skeptic today, eh?
I always try to look at all possibilities. I'm an "outside the box" thinker. I do not confine my beliefs to what I'm told to believe. I'll even play the devils advocate at times.

[ElNono]

What type of person just says, "Hey, instead of taking a hike, I'm just going to fly by myself to another country for a week. Oh, and my family doesn't need to know either."

Just bizarre.

He was probably chasing some Argie tail. We have some nice looking broads over there.

[SonOfAGun]

I love taking a day off and just driving up and down highway 16 through the Hill Country. Packing up for a couple days and going solo into the wilderness is a guy thing.

Sounds like nothing more than a "Find anything we can to bash the South Carolina Governor because of his vocal opposition to Obama's stimulus plan and a potential GOP candidate later down the road" reach.

What is father's day? You tell your dad "happy fathers day", maybe even give him a little gift or dinner and that is it. It's over. Big deal. I don't really celebrate any State-deemed holidays like they different from any other random time I want to have a good time with family or friends.

[Wild Cobra]

Why is this such a big deal?

Is it because the liberal pundits say it's a thing, so you lemmings follow?

[Oh, Gee!!]

he's probably got a secret family in Argentina. Most powerful men have at least one secret family.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

i'm surprised his expense report isn't plastered everywhere. i'm assuming he picked up the tab. ??? get the facts and we'll go from there. dismissing his presidential bid now is stupid. i can parallel that nonsense with the way the obamacons fire back saying "he's only been in office 5 months" when critics say nothing he's doing is working. obviously obamacons are blind to that. either way, who cares. investigate it. don't insinuate it.

[Wild Cobra]

i'm surprised his expense report isn't plastered everywhere. i'm assuming he picked up the tab. ??? get the facts and we'll go from there. dismissing his presidential bid now is stupid. i can parallel that nonsense with the way the obamacons fire back saying "he's only been in office 5 months" when critics say nothing he's doing is working. obviously obamacons are blind to that. either way, who cares. investigate it. don't insinuate it.
LOL...

You know that must be true. He must have paid for it himself, and the media has nothing real to complain about, so they are fishing.

They suggest his family didn't know, but they don't say it as fact. They let libtards assume his family didn't know. Very possible they knew, and purposely played dumb to any media requests. I know if I told people the actions of the women I know, they would disown me. You don't tell others about friends and families actions. Not anyone in the public eye.

[clambake]

LOL...I know if I told people the actions of the women I know, they would disown me.

we already know about your whor.....i mean amanda.

[coyotes_geek]

I love taking a day off and just driving up and down highway 16 through the Hill Country. Packing up for a couple days and going solo into the wilderness is a guy thing.

Sounds like nothing more than a "Find anything we can to bash the South Carolina Governor because of his vocal opposition to Obama's stimulus plan and a potential GOP candidate later down the road" reach.

What is father's day? You tell your dad "happy fathers day", maybe even give him a little gift or dinner and that is it. It's over. Big deal. I don't really celebrate any State-deemed holidays like they different from any other random time I want to have a good time with family or friends.

I enjoy a nice country drive and some time off too, but come on. A governor has got to let someone know.

[George Gervin's Afro]

LOL...

You know that must be true. He must have paid for it himself, and the media has nothing real to complain about, so they are fishing.

They suggest his family didn't know, but they don't say it as fact. They let libtards assume his family didn't know. Very possible they knew, and purposely played dumb to any media requests. I know if I told people the actions of the women I know, they would disown me. You don't tell others about friends and families actions. Not anyone in the public eye.

Or they didn't know..:lmao

[Viva Las Espuelas]

i'm finding that it may be an affair. oh well. we'll see.

[clambake]

i'm finding that it may be an affair. oh well. we'll see.

why do you think that?

[LnGrrrR]

To everyone saying "It's not a big deal"...

Tell me, do you have wives and kids? If so, are they cool with you leaving them for days at a time with no notice?

[clambake]

he's pretty weepy.

[Winehole23]

You know that must be true. He must have paid for it himself, and the media has nothing real to complain about, so they are fishing.If some Dem did it, you'd be screaming about his lack of character and responsibility. A governor going AWOL is not a triviality. Perhaps his family lied, but this is sheer surmise. Their statement to the press was clear.


They suggest his family didn't know, but they don't say it as fact. They let libtards assume his family didn't know. Very possible they knew, and purposely played dumb to any media requests.You need to acquaint yourself with the primary reporting a little better before you start making generalizations. His family said they did not know where he was and had not communicated with him since before Father's Day.

In SC, Gov. Sanford's unannounced absence has catalyzed Dem as well as GOP criticism.

Gov. Sanford's spokeman either gave out a lie when he said Sanford was hiking the Appalachian Trail or he didn't know where the governor was either.

[clambake]

oh good. he's remarking about gods law.....after he left his duty to fuck his girlfriend.

[clambake]

at least it was a chick.

it was a chick.... right?

[clambake]

:lmao @ republicans ALWAYS playing the god card.

you guys are so phony.

[Bartleby]

dismissing his presidential bid now is stupid.

If it was nothing more than a capricioius, spur-of-the-moment change of plans it will still be held against him as a serious character flaw, given his position as governor.

What's much more likely (IMO) is that it was in afair. In that case, he's toast, especially in a Bible-beating state like SC.

[SonOfAGun]

I love taking a day off...

Self-ownage. He was cheating. Damn politicians.

Being a governor and fleeing to Argentina to cheat on your wife is right up there with the astronaut that drove from Texas to Florida in diapers.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

:lmao @ republicans ALWAYS playing the god card.

you guys are so phony.so democrats aren't christians?

[clambake]

so democrats aren't christians?

tell us which ones play the god card and we'll discuss.

[clambake]

on another note, viva, have you noticed that every position you choose to defend, ends in abject failure?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

tell us which ones play the god card and we'll discuss.
uh, bill clinton?

president, at the time, bill clinton

[Viva Las Espuelas]

john edwards

[Viva Las Espuelas]

on another note, viva, have you noticed that every position you choose to defend, ends in abject failure?where was i defending sanford?

[LnGrrrR]

Self-ownage. He was cheating. Damn politicians.

Being a governor and fleeing to Argentina to cheat on your wife is right up there with the astronaut that drove from Texas to Florida in diapers.

Wow! What a surprise! A married man just HAPPENS to decide to leave his family to fly to another country with no notice. I totally thought he just needed to blow off steam lol.

I mean, even if he DID just blow off steam, what kind of dick move is that? Just leave your family without their knowledge for a week? And, ya know, not let anyone in your STATE know, when you're the f'ing gov?

Byebye Presidential bid.

[clambake]

take it easy viva.

no face needs saving here.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

take it easy viva.

no face needs saving here.

nice defense there.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Wow! What a surprise! A married man just HAPPENS to decide to leave his family to fly to another country with no notice. I totally thought he just needed to blow off steam lol.

I mean, even if he DID just blow off steam, what kind of dick move is that? Just leave your family without their knowledge for a week? And, ya know, not let anyone in your STATE know, when you're the f'ing gov?

Byebye Presidential bid.
so how does this compare to john edwards in your eyes? just curious.

[clambake]

nice defense there.

i don't recall them playing the god card.

did they?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

i don't recall them playing the god card.

did they?

john edwards? are you serious? he makes joel olsteen look shy

[LnGrrrR]

so how does this compare to john edwards in your eyes? just curious.

The same? Cheating is cheating. Though it was pretty stupid for him to think, "Hey, I'll just decid to fly to Argentina for a week without telling my family or state" and think he could get away with it. And then not even coming up with a good alibi? Honestly?

I mean... why didn't he fly the girl over here? :lol

So, apart from the obvious stupidity on the governor's part, no difference in the essential crime.

[clambake]

john edwards? are you serious? he makes joel olsteen look shy

i guess i'm just tired of hearing this from the party of family values and morals.

[jman3000]

:lmao at him cheating

(CNN) -- South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford admitted Wednesday, amid speculation over his whereabouts for the last several days, that he has been engaged in an extramarital affair with an Argentinian woman.
Gov. Mark Sanford chokes up as he admits to having an affair.

Gov. Mark Sanford chokes up as he admits to having an affair.

"I've been unfaithful to my wife," Sanford told a news conference in Columbia, the state capital. "I developed a relationship with what started as a dear, dear friend from Argentina."

His voice choking at times, Sanford apologized to his wife and four sons, his staff and supporters, and said he would resign immediately as head of the Republican Governors Association. The affair was discovered five months ago, Sanford said.

The South Carolina governor had not been seen in public since June 18. When questioned, Sanford's staff had told media outlets that he was hiking in the Appalachian Trail. But Sanford was spotted Wednesday in Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport.

The South Carolina governor said he had been in Buenos Aires, Argentina.

"I'm a bottom-line kind of guy. I'll lay it out, it's going to hurt, and we'll let the chips fall as they may," Sanford said as he spoke with reporters.

The South Carolina governor has had a bruising year, losing his fight to turn down $700 million in federal stimulus money. Sanford initially tried to require that any stimulus money pay down the state debt, a stance rejected by the Obama administration.

The South Carolina's Supreme Court ruled earlier this month that Sanford had to accept the stimulus funds.

Earlier Wednesday, South Carolina Democratic Party Chair Carol Fowler said in a statement it was the "height of irresponsibility for the governor to walk out on his solemn duty to the people of South Carolina.

"When it comes to the real needs and concerns of South Carolinians, Mark Sanford has been pretty much missing in action for the last six-and-a-half years. But it is not acceptable for him to be actually missing.

"However, as disturbing as it is to walk out on your responsibilities without telling anyone, what's more troubling is that the governor and his staff have been less than truthful about his whereabouts," the statement said.
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Sanford's wife Jenny told CNN Tuesday she had not talked to her husband since he left last Thursday and did not know where he went.

"I am being a mom today. I have not heard from my husband. I am taking care of my children," she said outside the couple's beach home on Sullivan's Island, South Carolina.

[jman3000]

on another note, viva, have you noticed that every position you choose to defend, ends in abject failure?

qft

On another note... that's 2 in 2 weeks. I know all politicians are dick heads and the majority that are fucking around won't get caught.... but seriously... if you're gonna do some damage in 2010 you at least have to spread these around a little bit.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

i guess i'm just tired of hearing this from the party of family values and morals.
really everyone should live with family values and morals. the d and/or r is just a formality. i know that's hard to internalize.

[jman3000]

When the media reports on this, they will make sure the words "Republican" and "Conservatiave" are loud and clear and prominent. This usually happens whenever a Republican is involved in a scandal. I guarantee REPUBLICAN will be prominent in the article title, and plastered many times throughout the article.

However, when its a democrat, the word democrat is usually no where to be seen, but if it is, its hidden in the depths of the article and not prominent and only mentioned once.

This has to be you Viva. You were bitching about this when the Ensign news hit. This guy's even from Texas.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

This has to be you Viva. You were bitching about this when the Ensign news hit. This guy's even from Texas.
bitching? i simply stated a theory, but whatever floats your boat. i'm surprised someone else noticed it. i must internalize that stating theory is bitching. :tu

[jman3000]

It was a remarkably stupid theory. Plus when there's large amounts of whine in a post, that is considered bitching. Theory stating and bitching can be inclusive of each other.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

It was a remarkably stupid theory. Plus when there's large amounts of whine in a post, that is considered bitching. Theory stating and bitching can be inclusive of each other.
whining? geez, jman you are perfect. all i can say is prove me wrong. it's very easy tossing the "stupid" claim. back it up, but i'd hate to take away from your rant.

[jman3000]

It's your theory. The burden of proof is on you. I wouldn't write a paper stating a theory and then just say "ok reader... go find the evidence to prove it".

When you first said it I was actually curious and did a search for John Edwards, Bill Clinton, and that dude from New York with that high priced whore. If you were right I would have said so, but guess what? You were wrong. All the pieces I read mentioned party affiliation within the first paragraph. Unless it's some extremely right or left writer and they're trying to cover up for their guy the article will pretty much always state their affiliation.

Stop being so bitter.

[coyotes_geek]

As a public service announcment to those Republican presidential candidate hopefuls who aren't getting enough action, I'd just like to recommend masturbation. True, it's not as exciting as the real thing, but your hand does not have a child wanting a job, it will not attempt to blackmail you, nor does it require you to leave the country for an intimate visit. The rumors about going blind are just that, rumors. Masturbate like your career depends upon it. Because it does.

[SonOfAGun]

As a public service announcment to those Republican presidential candidate hopefuls who aren't getting enough action, I'd just like to recommend masturbation. True, it's not as exciting as the real thing, but your hand does not have a child wanting a job, it will not attempt to blackmail you, nor does it require you to leave the country for an intimate visit. The rumors about going blind are just that, rumors. Masturbate like your career depends upon it. Because it does.

Worthy of its own PSA Thread imo.

[LnGrrrR]

As a public service announcment to those Republican presidential candidate hopefuls who aren't getting enough action, I'd just like to recommend masturbation. True, it's not as exciting as the real thing, but your hand does not have a child wanting a job, it will not attempt to blackmail you, nor does it require you to leave the country for an intimate visit. The rumors about going blind are just that, rumors. Masturbate like your career depends upon it. Because it does.

The music from the back room of the strip club is too loud for them to hear you Coyotes_Geek.

[angel_luv]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_re_us/us_sc_governor_where

COLUMBIA, S.C. – After going AWOL for seven days, Gov. Mark Sanford admitted Wednesday that he'd secretly flown to Argentina to visit a woman with whom he'd been having an affair. He apologized to his wife and four sons and said he will resign as head of the Republican Governors Association.

"I've let down a lot of people, that's the bottom line," the 49-year-old governor said at a news conference where he choked up as he ruminated with remarkable frankness on God's law, moral absolutes and following one's heart. His family did not attend.

The woman, who lives in Argentina, has been a "dear, dear friend" for about eight years but, Sanford said, the relationship didn't become romantic until a little over a year ago. He's seen her three times since then, and his wife found out about it five months ago.

He told reporters he spent "the last five days of my life crying in Argentina" and the affair is now over. Sanford, a rumored 2012 presidential candidate, refused to say whether he'll leave office.

"What I did was wrong. Period," he said.

Questions about Sanford's whereabouts arose early this week. For two days after reporters started asking questions, his office had said he had gone hiking on the Appalachian Trial.

Cornered at the Atlanta airport by a reporter, Sanford revealed Wednesday morning that he'd gone to Argentina for a seven-day trip.

When news first broke about his mysterious disappearance, first lady Jenny Sanford told The Associated Press she did not know where her husband had gone for the Father's Day weekend.

Sanford's announcement came a day after another prominent Republican, Sen. John Ensign of Nevada, apologized to his GOP Senate colleagues after revealing last week that he had an affair with a campaign staffer and was resigning from the GOP leadership.

Sanford, first elected governor in 2002, has more than a year remaining in his second term and is barred by state law from running again.

He emerged Wednesday afternoon at a news conference and it took more than a few minutes into his address before he got to the crux of what had happened. He spoke of his love of hiking and how he used to guide trips along the Appalachian Trail — and only then tearfully apologized to his wife, his staff and his friends.

"I hurt a lot of different folks," he said, occasionally choking up throughout the news conference that lasted about 20 minutes.

A former three-term congressman, Sanford most recently snared headlines for his unsuccessful fight to turn aside federal stimulus cash for his state's schools. His vocal battle against the Obama administration — and libertarian, small-government leanings — won praise from conservative pundits. Ultimately, a state court order required him to take the money.

Sanford was born May 28, 1960, in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., the eldest of four siblings. He earned a bachelor's degree in business from Furman University in 1983 and a master's of business administration from the University of Virginia in 1988.

After working for a couple of years in the financial world in New York, he returned to South Carolina and said he was shaped by his summers working on the family plantation. He served in the U.S. House for three terms before honoring a term limits pledge and leaving office in 2001.

In 2002, he defeated incumbent Democrat Jim Hodges by 4 percentage points to become governor and won re-election in 2006, beating Democratic state Sen. Tommy Moore.

As governor, Sanford has had seemingly endless run-ins with the GOP-dominated Legislature, once bringing pigs to the House chamber to protest pork barrel spending. He also put a "spending clock" outside his office to show how quickly a proposed budget would spend state money.




Why did he fly to Argentina to end the relationship? A phone call would have cost less.
I know of guys who break up with girls without ever telling the girl...

[boutons_deux]

One day we hear Repug Nixon approving the abortion for white/black fetuses, the next day a Repug governor admits adultery, all from the non-racist party of pro-life and family values. :lol

Way to bounce back, Repugs! :lol

[Viva Las Espuelas]

It's your theory. The burden of proof is on you. I wouldn't write a paper stating a theory and then just say "ok reader... go find the evidence to prove it".

When you first said it I was actually curious and did a search for John Edwards, Bill Clinton, and that dude from New York with that high priced whore. If you were right I would have said so, but guess what? You were wrong. All the pieces I read mentioned party affiliation within the first paragraph. Unless it's some extremely right or left writer and they're trying to cover up for their guy the article will pretty much always state their affiliation.

Stop being so bitter.

well it should be well know what affiliation edwards and clinton belonged to. not so for spitzer and that other guy from last week. i looked up spitzer and it was buried and i got an article that was posted right when it broke.

i'm also curious where you found that article that you posted here. i couldn't find it.

[boutons_deux]

Fox says Sanford is Democrat, because Repugs couldn't possibly be so anti-family.

http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/06/fox-flubs-again-declares-sanford-a-democrat/

[LnGrrrR]

Fox says Sanford is Democrat, because Repugs couldn't possibly be so anti-family.

http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/06/fox-flubs-again-declares-sanford-a-democrat/

Fox is so f'ing vile.

Viva, care to show righteous indignation at Fox's mistake? :D

[clambake]

Fox says Sanford is Democrat, because Repugs couldn't possibly be so anti-family.

http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/06/fox-flubs-again-declares-sanford-a-democrat/

:lmao:lmao:lmao thats hilarious bou!

[baseline bum]

Why did he fly to Argentina to end the relationship? A phone call would have cost less.
I know of guys who break up with girls without ever telling the girl...

Because he's lying. He went down there to dog the shit out of her for a week.

[jman3000]

Michael Medved floated the theory that he was seeing the president of Argentina... and he was being sincere.

It makes no sense not to fly the person from Argentina to the US... unless that person is too important to do that.

I don't know what to think... but it's interesting.

[jman3000]

Fox is so f'ing vile.

Viva, care to show righteous indignation at Fox's mistake? :D

:lol they did the exact same thing with Foley :lol

edit: bleh... they stated that in the article.

[manufan10]

Fox says Sanford is Democrat, because Repugs couldn't possibly be so anti-family.

http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/06/fox-flubs-again-declares-sanford-a-democrat/

Edit: My bad, didn't click the link.

[jman3000]

well it should be well know what affiliation edwards and clinton belonged to. not so for spitzer and that other guy from last week. i looked up spitzer and it was buried and i got an article that was posted right when it broke.

i'm also curious where you found that article that you posted here. i couldn't find it.

What article was Spitzer's party ID buried?

It was on the CNN front page. I've imagined it's changed because the article was literally 3 minutes old when I C/P'd it.

[Extra Stout]

So, after getting caught in his lie, Gov. Sanford, rather than totally coming clean, tries to spin more lies. He lied to his wife about ending the affair, so now having been caught he tries to spin this story about going down there to break off the relationship, when even the the forum ingenue can see through that lie immediately.

To review:
South Carolina has a governor who not only cheats on his wife, not only lies to his wife about ending his infidelity, but then lies to his family, his staff, and the people of South Carolina about his whereabouts for five days, so he can slip out of the country just to get laid.

I really hate to have to channel Keith Olbermann, but in this case it applies:

Governor Sanford, save what few shreds of dignity you have left, and resign.

[Oh, Gee!!]

worst person in the woooooorld

[clambake]

what? no points for crying?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Fox is so f'ing vile.

Viva, care to show righteous indignation at Fox's mistake? :D

you said it. it was a mistake. nothing more. nothing less. if msobc did it i wouldn't care.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

What article was Spitzer's party ID buried?

It was on the CNN front page. I've imagined it's changed because the article was literally 3 minutes old when I C/P'd it.
abc

[jman3000]

Stephen Colbert declared himself King of SC when he went missing. Looks like he can reclaim his throne.

[LnGrrrR]

you said it. it was a mistake. nothing more. nothing less. if msobc did it i wouldn't care.

Just like any article that would mistakenly forget to list a person's political faction, right? :D

[DarkReign]

good for him. Seriously, who cares? The state didn't fall apart because the press didn't know where he was.

Thats a fucking bullshit perspective of the highest order. I have gotten no further in this thread upon reading this.

He is an elected public official who just-so-happens to hold an office that numbers 50 total in this country.

He is tasked with the day-to-day operation of a state in this union. You think CEOs of major corporations can take unannounced vacations?! Hell no. Most of those CEOs arent dealing with nearly the money a governor does.

Him being indignant about it is even worse. Its like celebrities bitching about paparazzi, when politicians bitch about the media, they should have looked at the job description.

You were elected by the people, the media's job is to inform those people. When the highest ranking state official goes mysteriously missing, thats news, thats life.

Also, Buenos Aires. Congratulations, South Carolina, you elected a pedophile.

[LnGrrrR]

Thats a fucking bullshit perspective of the highest order. I have gotten no further in this thread upon reading this.

He is an elected public official who just-so-happens to hold an office that numbers 50 total in this country.

He is tasked with the day-to-day operation of a state in this union. You think CEOs of major corporations can take unannounced vacations?! Hell no. Most of those CEOs arent dealing with nearly the money a governor does.

Him being indignant about it is even worse. Its like celebrities bitching about paparazzi, when politicians bitch about the media, they should have looked at the job description.

You were elected by the people, the media's job is to inform those people. When the highest ranking state official goes mysteriously missing, thats news, thats life.

Also, Buenos Aires. Congratulations, South Carolina, you elected a pedophile.

Thanks Dark, I needed to hear some pissed off indignation in this thread! :D

This ranks right up there with the replies of, "So what if Alberto Gonzalez has no clue what's going on in the DoJ? You can't hold it against him! After all, he doesn't recall!"

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Just like any article that would mistakenly forget to list a person's political faction, right? :D
you need to reread my theory and retry your "gotcha"

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Thats a fucking bullshit perspective of the highest order. I have gotten no further in this thread upon reading this.

He is an elected public official who just-so-happens to hold an office that numbers 50 total in this country.

He is tasked with the day-to-day operation of a state in this union. You think CEOs of major corporations can take unannounced vacations?! Hell no. Most of those CEOs arent dealing with nearly the money a governor does.

Him being indignant about it is even worse. Its like celebrities bitching about paparazzi, when politicians bitch about the media, they should have looked at the job description.

You were elected by the people, the media's job is to inform those people. When the highest ranking state official goes mysteriously missing, thats news, thats life.

Also, Buenos Aires. Congratulations, South Carolina, you elected a pedophile.
wow. a pedophile? i must've missed something.

[LnGrrrR]

you need to reread my theory and retry your "gotcha"

What's the difference between Fox News making a "mistake" and listing Sanford as a Democrat, and a news story "accidentally" burying a person's political affiliation far down in the story?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

What's the difference between Fox News making a "mistake" and listing Sanford as a Democrat, and a news story "accidentally" burying a person's political affiliation far down in the story?
sniff sniff. do i smell straw?

[LnGrrrR]

wow. a pedophile? i must've missed something.

He's referring to things like this: http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2003/27883.htm



Child abuse and prostitution continued to occur, but there was progress in some areas. In the city of Buenos Aires, the Council for the Rights of Girls, Boys, and Adolescents implemented a hot line and a network of neighborhood defenders offices to assist victims. The council received 71 reports of child commercial sexual exploitation in 2002. In conjunction with other agencies and organizations, such as UNICEF, the council also conducted active educational and awareness raising efforts. Prosecutors and police pursued cases of Internet child pornography and sought additional legal tools to confront such cybercrime. On September 2, Buenos Aires provincial police reportedly dismantled a child prostitution ring, detaining 6 women and 1 man who exploited 15 girls ranging in age from 8 to 17.


And this... www.globalmarch.org/child_labour/image/ARGENTINA.pdf (http://www.globalmarch.org/child_labour/image/ARGENTINA.pdf)




Women and children are trafficked from Paraguay, Bolivia, and
Brazil for commercial sexual exploitation, and migrants from
neighboring countries are sometimes trafficked to Argentina for
other types of forced labor.
In 2001, UNICEF published a study carried out in Buenos Aires,
Córdoba, Villa María , San Francisco, Resistencia, Posadas,
Neuquen and Puerto Madryn. A total of 326 interviews were
carried out, where 52% of the interviewees were child victims of
commercial sexual exploitation.
Child and adolescent victims (of varying ages) of commercial
sexual exploitation have been found within overt spaces for
commercial sex: streets, service stations, plazas, and parks.
Victims of CSEC have also been found within covert spaces for
commercial sex such as: saunas, brothels, whiskey bars,
massage parlours, etc, within each of the cities studied by
UNICEF.

[LnGrrrR]

sniff sniff. do i smell straw?

How is that a strawman? What is the difference between Fox News making a 'mistake' and a news article making a 'mistake'?

You can't say that one was obviously deliberate and the other was a mistake without further clarification.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

He's referring to things like this: http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2003/27883.htm



And this... www.globalmarch.org/child_labour/image/ARGENTINA.pdf (http://www.globalmarch.org/child_labour/image/ARGENTINA.pdf)



didn't bother reading it, but i did a search on both articles for "sanford". didn't turn up anything, so i'll just await DR's response.

[Wild Cobra]

Well, this guy has the Clinton Democrats cinched up for 2012 now...

[DarkReign]

wow. a pedophile? i must've missed something.

Yeah, its a leap. But if youre allowed to theorize, so am I. I could be equally as wrong, but here's my premise.

1. How in the fuck does a governor cultivate a relationship with some broad in Argentina? Whatever, we'll let that one slide and say "Ok, I'll go with that."

2. Having said "lover", why would a governor risk his career flying to a different country to visit said lover? What? You meeting the parents?

3. South America isnt exactly the most lawful place in the world to visit. Its probably beautiful (from pics Ive seen), obviously like any country, nearly all of its citizens are very decent people, just really average place to live with beautiful scenery. But their law enforcement is nowhere near as effective or uncorruptable as other parts of the world. They're also generally more tolerant to what we in America would call "sexual deviance". Not children, per say, but more transvestites, prostitution and orgies. In a place of lawlessness, corruption and sexual deviance (all by American standards), it isnt unthinkable that one could find a place to...well, be a sick fucking pedophile who deserves to die.

4. Back to the "off the grid" travel...if he were having a relationship with an Argentine woman, it would make more sense to bring her to the states. I cant, for the life of me, underestimate a man's intelligence who won a governor's seat. I am not saying he's brilliant or even smarter than anyone here. But what I can say is he isnt stupid. If he had a woman on the side (in Argentina), he would know this could end his public career if caught. Therefore, to lessen the chances of being caught, one would have to minimize risk. Which brings me to the final point...

5. Going off the grid and taking an international trip is not minimizing risk. Its maximizing risk. Its political suicide. He knew that when he left. His career is completely done, now. He will probably resign before July's end in shame. Not because he cheated on his wife, but for dereliction of duty. He knowingly threw his entire life's work into the shitter for some Argentinian ass?

All this leads me to two possible conclusions:

Theory 1: He was fucking some hot Latin chick and she so entranced him that the call to his lesser brain was too much to resist. After all the shit he went through with the stimulus, coupled with his other wacky-ass, media-driven publicity stunts (the carrying pigs gig), he just didnt want to do it anymore. He is done, he quit. He booked the next flight out of town, family, job and responsibility be damned...Im going to lay with my Latin princess tonight. When I come back, Im done and I know it.

Theory 2: Hes an actor, quite a good one to become governor. He isnt the smartest in the world, but he isnt dumb. In his twisted mind, what he was going to do made sense and he believed he could get away with it depending on how long he was away. He rationalized "4 days isnt much, a quick interview about my whereabouts and boom...done, non-issue". He's like any other powerful person who walks the face of the Earth. At some point, whats normal becomes below you. The history books a littered with the deviance of the powerful and what they feel they can do that the unwashed masses cannot. Its always a possibility. The child trade is a very, very real epidemic on a global scale. 3rd world countries are a strange destination for powerful white males to travel to unbeknownst to their family and staff. Youre hiding something, youre partaking in something you want no one to know about. A hot, adult Latin piece of perfect ass isnt one of those. Thats something you brag about to other powerful males.

Just a theory. We'll never know, obviously, and if I were a reporter of any sort, I certainly would never write what I just wrote as it has no ground to stand on. But if I were a reporter, I'd book a flight to Argentina and get with customs and the Embassy to see where he landed, where he stayed, what he did and so on. Then, I'd follow his foot steps and ask the locals about rich, white Americans and what they like to do in their country. I would expect their answers to be less than admirable. I would then dig deeper. And deeper. Maybe there is a known local spot for deviant people. Go there, ask around. "You seen this man?" holding his photo. So on and so on.

If nothing...great, no reason to doubt him. If something...Pulitzer.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Yeah, its a leap. But if youre allowed to theorize, so am I. I could be equally as wrong, but here's my premise.

1. How in the fuck does a governor cultivate a relationship with some broad in Argentina? Whatever, we'll let that one slide and say "Ok, I'll go with that."

2. Having said "lover", why would a governor risk his career flying to a different country to visit said lover? What? You meeting the parents?

3. South America isnt exactly the most lawful place in the world to visit. Its probably beautiful (from pics Ive seen), obviously like any country, nearly all of its citizens are very decent people, just really average place to live with beautiful scenery. But their law enforcement is nowhere near as effective or uncorruptable as other parts of the world. They're also generally more tolerant to what we in America would call "sexual deviance". Not children, per say, but more transvestites, prostitution and orgies. In a place of lawlessness, corruption and sexual deviance (all by American standards), it isnt unthinkable that one could find a place to...well, be a sick fucking pedophile who deserves to die.

4. Back to the "off the grid" travel...if he were having a relationship with an Argentine woman, it would make more sense to bring her to the states. I cant, for the life of me, underestimate a man's intelligence who won a governor's seat. I am not saying he's brilliant or even smarter than anyone here. But what I can say is he isnt stupid. If he had a woman on the side (in Argentina), he would know this could end his public career if caught. Therefore, to lessen the chances of being caught, one would have to minimize risk. Which brings me to the final point...

5. Going off the grid and taking an international trip is not minimizing risk. Its maximizing risk. Its political suicide. He knew that when he left. His career is completely done, now. He will probably resign before July's end in shame. Not because he cheated on his wife, but for dereliction of duty. He knowingly threw his entire life's work into the shitter for some Argentinian ass?

All this leads me to two possible conclusions:

Theory 1: He was fucking some hot Latin chick and she so entranced him that the call to his lesser brain was too much to resist. After all the shit he went through with the stimulus, coupled with his other wacky-ass, media-driven publicity stunts (the carrying pigs gig), he just didnt want to do it anymore. He is done, he quit. He booked the next flight out of town, family, job and responsibility be damned...Im going to lay with my Latin princess tonight. When I come back, Im done and I know it.

Theory 2: Hes an actor, quite a good one to become governor. He isnt the smartest in the world, but he isnt dumb. In his twisted mind, what he was going to do made sense and he believed he could get away with it depending on how long he was away. He rationalized "4 days isnt much, a quick interview about my whereabouts and boom...done, non-issue". He's like any other powerful person who walks the face of the Earth. At some point, whats normal becomes below you. The history books a littered with the deviance of the powerful and what they feel they can do that the unwashed masses cannot. Its always a possibility. The child trade is a very, very real epidemic on a global scale. 3rd world countries are a strange destination for powerful white males to travel to unbeknownst to their family and staff. Youre hiding something, youre partaking in something you want no one to know about. A hot, adult Latin piece of perfect ass isnt one of those. Thats something you brag about to other powerful males.

Just a theory. We'll never know, obviously, and if I were a reporter of any sort, I certainly would never write what I just wrote as it has no ground to stand on. But if I were a reporter, I'd book a flight to Argentina and get with customs and the Embassy to see where he landed, where he stayed, what he did and so on. Then, I'd follow his foot steps and ask the locals about rich, white Americans and what they like to do in their country. I would expect their answers to be less than admirable. I would then dig deeper. And deeper. Maybe there is a known local spot for deviant people. Go there, ask around. "You seen this man?" holding his photo. So on and so on.

If nothing...great, no reason to doubt him. If something...Pultizer.

whoa. that's uh....a bit long winded. yeah, i still have "who, what, when, where, why" questions, but i think a pedophile is a little far fetched, but we all have the right to whine. i mean theorize.

[DarkReign]

It may be long winded as I am prone to be in writing and speech, but its what I think.

I have a habit of seeing the faults in my argument and addressing them in mid-paragraph. It makes for long posts (and conversations).

Look, bottom line. Powerful, connected WASPs do not normally go off the grid to a third world country to cheat on their wife with an adult, unless youre secretly gay. Add being a Governor in that mix, and the impllications in mind, are clear.

1. Hes gay
2. He likes children
3. Both

[jman3000]

Pedophilia is a bit too far. I think I'd believe Medved's theory of the Argentinean president more than I would the pedophile route.

[jman3000]

There's a lot more to this story I'm guessing. Non of it makes sense at all. A rational person just doesn't think like Sanford must have thought the past week.

This might have worked 50 years ago... but now? No way in fuck.

[ploto]

Some people from page 1 look pretty bad about now. :rollin

[jman3000]

Some people from page 1 look pretty bad about now. :rollin

Just about all conservatives are trying to spin this someway or another.

I think I heard more talk about Clinton today on talk radio than I did about the Gov.

[DarrinS]

From his press conference, it's obvious that he's into necrophilic bestiality.


On top of that, he's Republican (gasp).

[jman3000]

wtf? how did they get emails between them this fast?

jesus that's just insanse.

[clambake]

cool....they are starting to release some of the emails.

[PixelPusher]

the d and/or r is just a formality.

I know this came out after you wrote that but...

:lol

http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/3/fnc_20090624_sanford.jpg

[ploto]

Been holding these since December huh? What about that liberal media bias?


Below are excerpts of e-mails, obtained by The State newspaper in December, between Gov. Mark Sanford's personal e-mail account and Maria, a woman in Buenos Aires, Argentina.

The State has removed the woman's full name and other personal details, including her address, e-mail address and children's names.

The woman who South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford had an affair with lives on Republica de la India in the Palermo neighborhood of Argentina.

Sanford's office Wednesday did not dispute the authenticity of the emails.

McClatchy special correspondent Angeles Mase visited the 14-story apartment building in Buenos Aires Wednesday where the woman lives, according to the emails, which included her address. The woman at the address answered to the name in the emails and, at first, agreed to speak to a visitor, but she declined after the visitor identified herself as a reporter.

The doorman at the building, shown a photograph of Sanford, said he did not recognize him. According to the doorman, the woman has two sons, one a teenager of driving age and the other younger. The emails refer to the woman's two sons.

From Gov. Sanford,
Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 12:24 a.m.

“One, tomorrow leave at 5 a.m. for New York and meetings. Will think about you on its streets and wish I was going to be there later in the month when you are there. Tomorrow night back to Philadelphia for the start of the National Governor's Conference through the weekend. Back to Columbia for Tuesday and then on Wednesday, as I think I had told you, taking the family to China, Tibet, Nepal, India, Thailand and then back through Hong Kong on world wind tour. Few days home then to Bahamas for 5 days on a friend’s boat for the last break of the summer. The following weekend have been asked to spend it out in Aspen, Colorado with McCain - which has kicked up the whole VP talk all over again in the press back home ...

Two, mutual feelings .... You have a particular grace and calm that I adore. You have a level of sophistication that so fitting with your beauty. I could digress and say that you have the ability to give magnificent gentle kisses, or that I love your tan lines or that I love the curve of your hips, the erotic beauty of you holding yourself (or two magnificent parts of yourself) in the faded glow of the night’s light - but hey, that would be going into sexual details ...

Three and finally, while all the things above are all too true - at the same time we are in a hopelessly - or as you put it impossible - or how about combine and simply say hopelessly impossible situation of love. How in the world this lightening strike snuck up on us I am still not quite sure. As I have said to you before I certainly had a special feeling about you from the first time we met, but these feelings were contained and I genuinely enjoyed our special friendship and the comparing of all too many personal notes ...

Lastly I also suspect I feel a little vulnerable because this is ground I have never certainly never covered before - so if you have pearls of wisdom on how we figure all this out please let me know... In the meantime please sleep soundly knowing that despite the best efforts of my head my heart cries out for you, your voice, your body, the touch of your lips, the touch of your finger tips and an even deeper connection to your soul.”

----------------------------------------------------------

From Maria,
Wednesday, July 9, 2008 8:14 p.m.

“As I told you I shouldn't have done this trip but I would have felt worst if I wouldn't have come because it was too over the date, he is a very nice guy, great heart ... but unfortunately I am not in love with him ... You are my love ... something hard to believe even for myself as it's also a kind of impossible love, not only because of distance but situation. Sometimes you don't choose things, they just happen... I can't redirect my feelings and I am very happy with mine towards you.”

http://www.thestate.com/sanford/story/839350.html

[exstatic]

Family Values are certainly taking a beating lately in the GOP tent.

[jman3000]

He's good. He almost seduced me just by reading his emails.

[PixelPusher]

He's good. He almost seduced me just by reading his emails.

"- but hey, that would be going into sexual details ..."

[jman3000]

Is the liberal media happy about Sanford's affair?

Newt Gingrich and Karl Rove weigh in. On the next Hannity.

Wow.. I wonder what kind of conclusions they're gonna draw on this. You gotta hand it to em though... they were able to deflect this away from the GOP pretty quick. I have a feeling there's gonna be more talk about Edwards/Spitzer than Sanford.

I personally think this is between him, his wife, and the people of South Carolina. I just find it funny how everybody is in full deflection mode.

Has The State released any justification as to why they didn't release the emails at an earlier time? That one seems real fishy to me.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

..............probably. they need the ratings.

mr maddow was going on and on about sanford well over her halfway point. asking the same question.....over and over. it's really a chore watching him right after olbermann.

[angrydude]

what a dumbass.

He deserves what he gets.

[DarrinS]

Is the liberal media happy about Sanford's affair?

Newt Gingrich and Karl Rove weigh in. On the next Hannity.

Wow.. I wonder what kind of conclusions they're gonna draw on this. You gotta hand it to em though... they were able to deflect this away from the GOP pretty quick.



The GOP made him do it.

[DarrinS]

Been holding these since December huh? What about that liberal media bias?


http://www.thestate.com/sanford/story/839350.html


I think all newspapers should investigate every piece of SPAM they get in their inbox. :rolleyes


Any more details on the pedophile theory?

[florige]

Typical scum GOP.

[boutons_deux]

Julie-Annie's defense? Dems commit adultery as much as Repugs

But Repugs pander/grovel to the "moral" "Christian" supremacist fundamentalists to win elections.

[ElNono]

He was probably chasing some Argie tail. We have some nice looking broads over there.

:hat

[DarkReign]

...and my theory was obviously wrong. I am actually glad.

[DarkReign]

So now we know it was an adult female...

What a complete tool. He should have been bragging up around the water cooler with his other equally narcissistic WASPs about this exotic tail he's been hitting.

No, instead, he tries the 007 route minus the pinache and general aptitude for covering one's ass.

Total maroon (no, i did not mean "moron").

[ElNono]

So now we know it was an adult female...

What a complete tool. He should have been bragging up around the water cooler with his other equally narcissistic WASPs about this exotic tail he's been hitting.

No, instead, he tries the 007 route minus the pinache and general aptitude for covering one's ass.

Total maroon (no, i did not mean "moron").

You simply overestimated the intelligence of one of our public servants.
No harm done.
America... the land of opportunity!

[Cant_Be_Faded]

LOL @ possible saviors of the GOP being knocked down like bowling pins on league night

Just keep Mitt Romney in a dungeon somewhere with no exposure to light so he can't make any news, then bust him out in 2011 and remind us how he's a good candidate because he's old, white, rich, and has a strong chin and streaks of white on his sideburns.

[LnGrrrR]

He's good. He almost seduced me just by reading his emails.

:lmao

Too true!

[LnGrrrR]

LOL @ possible saviors of the GOP being knocked down like bowling pins on league night

Just keep Mitt Romney in a dungeon somewhere with no exposure to light so he can't make any news, then bust him out in 2011 and remind us how he's a good candidate because he's old, white, rich, and has a strong chin and streaks of white on his sideburns.

I'm pretty sure Mitt does that voluntarily. Has anyone tried to feed him anything with garlic in it yet? :lol

[DarrinS]

LOL @ possible saviors of the GOP being knocked down like bowling pins on league night

Just keep Mitt Romney in a dungeon somewhere with no exposure to light so he can't make any news, then bust him out in 2011 and remind us how he's a good candidate because he's old, white, rich, and has a strong chin and streaks of white on his sideburns.


Keep in mind that more people in this country consider themselves conservative than liberal. Also, Obama is losing support amongst independents. A strong GOP candidate in 2012 may be someone you've never heard of. No one knew who Obama was in 2004.

[DarrinS]

Anyone see Olbermann read the emails?

How pathetic. (I'm referring to Olbermann)


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#31533984

[DarkReign]

Keep in mind that more people in this country consider themselves conservative than liberal. Also, Obama is losing support amongst independents. A strong GOP candidate in 2012 may be someone you've never heard of. No one knew who Obama was in 2004.

I'd have voted for McCain in a heartbeat if not for Palin.

Need balance in government. Republican President for a Democratic Congress and vice versa.

Looking at the current direction of this country, I dont think one or the other would make much difference at all.

[florige]

Keep in mind that more people in this country consider themselves conservative than liberal. Also, Obama is losing support amongst independents. A strong GOP candidate in 2012 may be someone you've never heard of. No one knew who Obama was in 2004.


True. That George Bush speech writer gave me the impression that he could quite possibly be the GOP'ers Obama. I forget his name. He was on Meet the Press Sunday.

[Winehole23]

David Frum?

[florige]

David Frum?



Yeah that guy I think. He wasn't steadily bashing Obama which I found sorta surprising.

[PixelPusher]

True. That George Bush speech writer gave me the impression that he could quite possibly be the GOP'ers Obama. I forget his name. He was on Meet the Press Sunday.


David Frum?

Setting aside whether "axis of evil" guy could capture the public imagination, he would have to have a surgeon remove all the daggers Limbaugh and the rest of the tantrum throwers have stuck in his back the last 6 months.

[Winehole23]

I think all newspapers should investigate every piece of SPAM they get in their inbox. :rolleyesThey missed a scoop here, that's for sure.

Didn't Fox News bury the tip on Ensign, too?

[DarrinS]

David Frum was born in Canada, so it would never happen.

[DarrinS]

They missed a scoop here, that's for sure.

Didn't Fox News bury the tip on Ensign, too?


I don't know. All I'm saying is that if you looked at my inbox, you'd think I'm some kind of perverted freak. I get all kinds of crap email. I need a better spam filter.

[boutons_deux]

"more people in this country consider themselves conservative than liberal"

link?

then there's progressive, independents, etc.

"conservative" self-flagellators are a decreasing minority.

[DarrinS]

"more people in this country consider themselves conservative than liberal"

link?

then there's progressive, independents, etc.

"conservative" self-flagellators are a decreasing minority.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/Conservatives-Single-Largest-Ideological-Group.aspx

[LnGrrrR]

Yeah that guy I think. He wasn't steadily bashing Obama which I found sorta surprising.

Frum will NEVER get the conservative vote. He's not far-right enough.

Edit: Oh, and he's Canadian as DarrinS mentioned.

[Winehole23]

I don't know. All I'm saying is that if you looked at my inbox, you'd think I'm some kind of perverted freak. I get all kinds of crap email. I need a better spam filter.Well, you're not a news organization. Due diligence for one of those includes reading the mail. Anonymous tips lead to stories all the time.

[jman3000]

meh... I'd attribute that to the negative connotation that the word "liberal" has attached to it. If they had polled me I'd have said I was an independent or a conservative.

[boutons_deux]

self-stained conservatives are still an electoral minority.

Wasn't it Gallup that guranteed a McLiar win?

Silver got Magik Negro winner months before the election. Silver on red-state decline.

http://www.esquire.com/features/data/red-states-blue-states-0709?src=digg

[florige]

Frum will NEVER get the conservative vote. He's not far-right enough.



Thats a shame because he seemed pretty likable. I know that doesn't mean nothing though.

[PixelPusher]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/Conservatives-Single-Largest-Ideological-Group.aspx

Key words being "consider themselves". Hey, look at all those conservative Americans supporting a public health care system.

All this proves is that conservatives have done a great job demonizing the word "liberal" over the past 2 decades.

[DarrinS]

Key words being "consider themselves". Hey, look at all those conservative Americans supporting a public health care system.


Where are these so-called conservatives that support a public health system?

[ElNono]

LOL, I was just reading an Argentina newspaper that they now know the full name of the broad, and that a lot of foreign media have started to camp outside her apartment on an otherwise calm neighborhood, trying to get a picture of her.
I guess you can put an extra spin on this if the broad is good/not-so-good looking...

[jman3000]

She at least better have a nice rack. If not then you can chalk up another lie told by Sanford.

[Winehole23]

Where are these so-called conservatives that support a public health system?Check the CBS/NYT poll. It showed >70% in favor of a public plan.

[jman3000]

Check the CBS/NYT poll. It showed >70% in favor of a public plan.

I think people want a limited plan which doesn't cost over a mental threshold number... that number is probably below 800B... which also excludes coverage for illegal immigrants.

I don't think they should be denied medical attention, but I do think that immigration laws should be enforced and they should be deported or given an ultimatum to seek legal citizen status within 6 months or be deported.

[DarrinS]

Check the CBS/NYT poll. It showed >70% in favor of a public plan.


You should closely examine this poll. It's a real piece of work.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/images/nytint/docs/latest-new-york-times-cbs-news-poll-on-health/original.pdf


From page 7.

Did you vote in the 2008 presidential election, did something prevent you from voting, or did you choose not to vote? IF VOTED, ASK: Did you vote for Barack Obama, John McCain, or someone else?


Obama - 48
McCain - 25
Someone else - 1
Voted, won't say whom - 5
Didn't vote - 19
DK/NA - 1

[Winehole23]

Hey, you did your homework! :tu

[sam1617]

She at least better have a nice rack. If not then you can chalk up another lie told by Sanford.

I'm just hoping that she is not a he. Or a he/she...

[DarkReign]

I'm just hoping that she is not a he. Or a he/she...

Not uncommon in south america...

[hater]

LOL, I was just reading an Argentina newspaper that they now know the full name of the broad, and that a lot of foreign media have started to camp outside her apartment on an otherwise calm neighborhood, trying to get a picture of her.
I guess you can put an extra spin on this if the broad is good/not-so-good looking...

let's see, she is argentine, married to millionare, lives in the most expensive neighborhood. If she is under 45 I am sure she is pretty hot

[hater]

Not uncommon in south america...

or north america...

[LnGrrrR]

I don't think they should be denied medical attention, but I do think that immigration laws should be enforced and they should be deported or given an ultimatum to seek legal citizen status within 6 months or be deported.

You do know that not everyone that wants to be a citizen can do so? Unless you're a skilled worker, or married to an American, or have had a kid, you have to wait for a type of lottery, and hope you're chosen. Then, once that's done, you have to pony up the money for the forms, which is about $1500 IIRC.

[sam1617]

You do know that not everyone that wants to be a citizen can do so? Unless you're a skilled worker, or married to an American, or have had a kid, you have to wait for a type of lottery, and hope you're chosen. Then, once that's done, you have to pony up the money for the forms, which is about $1500 IIRC.

Doesn't matter. The system may be broken, but you should still have to obey the law of the land you live in, even if that law says gtfo.

Now, I agree that we should make immigration easier, because in the end, we could use hardworking individuals, and an infusion of that would be great. However, as long as the law is in place, we are bound by it, and those that are breaking the law shouldn't be able to have the same benefits of those who are working within the system.

[LnGrrrR]

Doesn't matter. The system may be broken, but you should still have to obey the law of the land you live in, even if that law says gtfo.

Now, I agree that we should make immigration easier, because in the end, we could use hardworking individuals, and an infusion of that would be great. However, as long as the law is in place, we are bound by it, and those that are breaking the law shouldn't be able to have the same benefits of those who are working within the system.

I was responding to the 6 month timeline Jman suggested. That's just not feasible unless there's some comprehensive path-to-citizenship plan that gets passed.

The reason why I highly doubt immigration will be made easier is because that makes the borders more porous, and when some legal immigrant does something wrong, it will make the hardcore righties say, "Look, we lowered the standards and now we're letting in evil terrorists/killers/etc!"

I agree with your point about being bound by the law, but also I think it's important to recognize that some people that are here illegally have come over with their parents when they were young, and this is the only life they know. Also, Mexico is mostly a sh*thole, and I doubt most Mexicans want to be forced back there to work for 1/10th of the wage, while knowing their government is led by either corrupt politicians or straight out drug dealers.

[jman3000]

I was responding to the 6 month timeline Jman suggested. That's just not feasible unless there's some comprehensive path-to-citizenship plan that gets passed.

The reason why I highly doubt immigration will be made easier is because that makes the borders more porous, and when some legal immigrant does something wrong, it will make the hardcore righties say, "Look, we lowered the standards and now we're letting in evil terrorists/killers/etc!"

I agree with your point about being bound by the law, but also I think it's important to recognize that some people that are here illegally have come over with their parents when they were young, and this is the only life they know. Also, Mexico is mostly a sh*thole, and I doubt most Mexicans want to be forced back there to work for 1/10th of the wage, while knowing their government is led by either corrupt politicians or straight out drug dealers.
That was just a number I threw out. I don't think that a universal amnesty approach is right... but I do think that it should be made easier for those who are already here to be US citizens.

[ElNono]

You do know that not everyone that wants to be a citizen can do so? Unless you're a skilled worker, or married to an American, or have had a kid, you have to wait for a type of lottery, and hope you're chosen. Then, once that's done, you have to pony up the money for the forms, which is about $1500 IIRC.

Just received my new green card today, good for 10 years. When you add up forms, fingerprinting, copies of stuff, etc, you're a little over $600. But that's if you do it yourself, without help from a lawyer and you already had a green card approved before.
It was more money when I had a H1B and had to renew it.
And for non-married people that apply (through skilled worker programs) you almost always need help from a lawyer, and that will raise the cost considerably.

Having gone through the entire process (started 10 years ago), I can safely say the 6 month expectation is impossible under the current system.

[LnGrrrR]

Just received my new green card today, good for 10 years. When you add up forms, fingerprinting, copies of stuff, etc, you're a little over $600. But that's if you do it yourself, without help from a lawyer and you already had a green card approved before.
It was more money when I had a H1B and had to renew it.
And for non-married people that apply (through skilled worker programs) you almost always need help from a lawyer, and that will raise the cost considerably.

Having gone through the entire process (started 10 years ago), I can safely say the 6 month expectation is impossible under the current system.

Only 600? Not too bad. The forms were like, 1100 to 1400 for my wife to get hers, plus 2500 for the lawyer.

[PixelPusher]

Fucking Obama...it's all HIS fault!



http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_06/018771.php

"This is almost like, 'I don't give a damn, the country's going to Hell in a handbasket, I just want out of here,'" Limbaugh said. "[Sanford] had just tried to fight the stimulus money coming to South Carolina. He didn't want any part of it; he lost the battle. He said, 'What the hell. I mean, the federal government's taking over -- what the hell, I want to enjoy life.'"

Limbaugh added, "The point is, there are a lot of people whose spirit is just -- they're fed up, saying, 'To hell with it, I don't even want to fight this anymore, I just want to get away from it.'"

A listener apparently sent Limbaugh an email during the program, asking if he was kidding about the White House's economic policies being responsible for Sanford's affair. "No!" he said, adding that the governor may have realized, "The Democrats are destroying the country; we can't do anything to stop it."

[jman3000]

Sanford met candidate Obama over a year ago and knew what was gonna happen. He went to Argentina as a preemptive strike.

Nothing to see here.

[jman3000]

It was kinda awkward listening to him today. He was bringing up prescription drugs and pain killers and it was kinda weird.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Thats a fucking bullshit perspective of the highest order. I have gotten no further in this thread upon reading this.

He is an elected public official who just-so-happens to hold an office that numbers 50 total in this country.

He is tasked with the day-to-day operation of a state in this union. You think CEOs of major corporations can take unannounced vacations?! Hell no. Most of those CEOs arent dealing with nearly the money a governor does.

Him being indignant about it is even worse. Its like celebrities bitching about paparazzi, when politicians bitch about the media, they should have looked at the job description.

You were elected by the people, the media's job is to inform those people. When the highest ranking state official goes mysteriously missing, thats news, thats life.

Also, Buenos Aires. Congratulations, South Carolina, you elected a pedophile.

What the fuck?

[MaNuMaNiAc]

3. South America isnt exactly the most lawful place in the world to visit. Its probably beautiful (from pics Ive seen), obviously like any country, nearly all of its citizens are very decent people, just really average place to live with beautiful scenery. But their law enforcement is nowhere near as effective or uncorruptable as other parts of the world. They're also generally more tolerant to what we in America would call "sexual deviance". Not children, per say, but more transvestites, prostitution and orgies. In a place of lawlessness, corruption and sexual deviance (all by American standards), it isnt unthinkable that one could find a place to...well, be a sick fucking pedophile who deserves to die.

Orgies? sexual deviance? WTF!! seriously, don't spew around bullshit you've haven't got a clue about. I don't care what fucking point you're trying to make.

I'll give you our government officials and police department are pretty fucking corrupt, but you're blowing shit entirely out of proportion here.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

You know what the funny thing is, I'm pretty aquainted with both American culture and Argentinian culture and let me tell you, American culture is FAR more sexual than Argentinian culture, BY A FUCKING MILE!

The whole "sexual deviance by AMerican standards" is bullshit of such magnitude I don't even know where to fucking start!

You talk as if in Argentina, molesting a child is acceptable behavior. Let me tell you, you're wrong on all counts. Stop being ignorant.

[sabar]

Maybe it's american propaganda or something, but supposedly Buenos Aires has a very active sexual night-life. I've seen a couple documentaries on it just flipping through channels.

Lots of internet hits too
http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4095

Of course I have no idea. I'd trust someone's word from the area first though.

[jman3000]

When your city has 25 million people like BA there's bound to be nooks and cranny's where that kind of stuff is rampant.

Let's not act like LA and NY are paragons of lawfulness.

[clambake]

reporters on fox just said sanford used taxpayer $$$$$ for trips that included seeing her.

[Oh, Gee!!]

reporters on fox just said sanford used taxpayer $$$$$ for trips that included seeing her.

WC will be crestfallen

[Winehole23]

I doubt it. WC never admits he's wrong. Maybe it's because he's infallible.

[ElNono]

You know what the funny thing is, I'm pretty aquainted with both American culture and Argentinian culture and let me tell you, American culture is FAR more sexual than Argentinian culture, BY A FUCKING MILE!

The whole "sexual deviance by AMerican standards" is bullshit of such magnitude I don't even know where to fucking start!

You talk as if in Argentina, molesting a child is acceptable behavior. Let me tell you, you're wrong on all counts. Stop being ignorant.

I know. I read it too and was like... :rolleyes

[Viva Las Espuelas]

reporters on fox just said sanford used taxpayer $$$$$ for trips that included seeing her.
that's ok. we paid for the luau at the white house yesterday and for the obama's paris trip and date. nothing to see here.

[clambake]

that's ok. we paid for the luau at the white house yesterday and for the obama's paris trip and date. nothing to see here.

this is what i see here: a gov. from the party of high morals steals taxpayers money to go cheat on his wife and kids.

[sam1617]

this is what i see here: a gov. from the party of high morals steals taxpayers money to go cheat on his wife and kids.

Politicians don't have morals, otherwise they wouldn't be politicians.

Just inexcusable behavior for anyone, much less a politician though.

[hater]

I went to high school in both USA and South America.

In South America, a typical high school girl will fuck a guy that plays in the basketball team. In USA, a typical high school girl will fuck the whole basketball team including the coach

[Viva Las Espuelas]

this is what i see here: a gov. from the party of high morals steals taxpayers money to go cheat on his wife and kids.
i see taxpayers money wasted either way.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

this is what i see here: a gov. from the party of high morals steals taxpayers money to go cheat on his wife and kids.
oh, and would that make the opposition party the party of low morals?

[Winehole23]

Rabbit season...

Duck season...

Rabbit season...

etc.

[clambake]

oh, and would that make the opposition party the party of low morals?

no, it makes them the party that doesn't make bullshit claims of high values and morals.

the gop in SC want him to resign. what do you think about that?

[Winehole23]

*King David didn't step down when he slept with Bathsheba*

[LnGrrrR]

that's ok. we paid for the luau at the white house yesterday and for the obama's paris trip and date. nothing to see here.

Ah, so as long as a Democrat does something, that makes it ok for a Republican to do.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

no, it makes them the party that doesn't make bullshit claims of high values and morals.

the gop in SC want him to resign. what do you think about that?
i live in texas so i could really care less.

[clambake]

*King David didn't step down when he slept with Bathsheba*

:lol thats because he's king.

[hater]

Bill Clinton face fucks a fat chick in the Oval Office. And nothing happens to him?

This poor sap actually sends love emails and travels overseas to see his woman. And he is the antichrist??

only in America...

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Ah, so as long as a Democrat does something, that makes it ok for a Republican to do.
i was just stating fact. speak for yourself.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Rabbit season...

Duck season...

Rabbit season...

etc.

exactly

[LnGrrrR]

i see taxpayers money wasted either way.

So where would you draw the line Viva? I guess, if a Republican threw a lavish party that had an all-men orgy where they bathed each other in champagne and cavier on the government's dime, while cleaning themselves off with $1,000 dollar bills.... it'd be ok as long as it was less money than Obama spent at a party, right? :) I mean, it's all taxpayer money being wasted one way or another!

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Bill Clinton face fucks a fat chick in the Oval Office. And nothing happens to him?
you forgot "commits perjury" in your post

[LnGrrrR]

i was just stating fact. speak for yourself.

You're the one equivocating the two, not me. Stop trying to act like you didn't when it's pretty f'ing blatant you did.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

So where would you draw the line Viva? I guess, if a Republican threw a lavish party that had an all-men orgy where they bathed each other in champagne and cavier on the government's dime, while cleaning themselves off with $1,000 dollar bills.... it'd be ok as long as it was less money than Obama spent at a party, right? :) I mean, it's all taxpayer money being wasted one way or another!



i see taxpayers money wasted either way.


you should really work on your "gotcha" attacks

[Viva Las Espuelas]

You're the one equivocating the two, not me. Stop trying to act like you didn't when it's pretty f'ing blatant you did.if i'm equivocating them, then why are you getting all bent? you work for some cause?................

[LnGrrrR]

you should really work on your "gotcha" attacks

No one has to 'get' you Viva... you're paper-thin. Every person with half of a brain knows you're a partisan hack.

[clambake]

So where would you draw the line Viva? I guess, if a Republican threw a lavish party that had an all-men orgy where they bathed each other in champagne and cavier on the government's dime, while cleaning themselves off with $1,000 dollar bills.... it'd be ok as long as it was less money than Obama spent at a party, right? :) I mean, it's all taxpayer money being wasted one way or another!

remember the girl that carved a "B" in her face and blamed it on a black assailant (hoping it would start a race riot)?



that was viva's girl.

[LnGrrrR]

if i'm equivocating them, then why are you getting all bent? you work for some cause?................

I get annoyed by people who try to play something off, like spending taxpayer money to have sex with a mistress is equal to throwing a party. They're not, and it's obvious.

Sheesh. I swear, Cheney could literally be found to be that guy who was kidnapping and murdering pets, and Republicans would find some way to blame it on Democrats, or at the least stick up for them. It's ridiculous.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

No one has to 'get' you Viva... you're paper-thin. Every person with half of a brain knows you're a partisan hack.
do you see me defending sanford?

[LnGrrrR]

do you see me defending sanford?

:rolleyes

When all else fails, throwing out something bad a Democrat do will make everything Republicans do ok!

:tu

[Winehole23]

:lol thats because he's king.Sanford seems to have cited the precedent (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/sanford_king_david_didnt_resign_so_i_wont_either.p hp).


I have been doing a lot of soul searching on that front. What I find interesting is the story of David, and the way in which he fell mightily, he fell in very very significant ways. But then picked up the pieces and built from there.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

:rolleyes

When all else fails, throwing out something bad a Democrat do will make everything Republicans do ok!

:tu

way to defend your hack theory. like i said. work on your "gotchas"

[clambake]

Sanford seems to have cited the precedent (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/sanford_king_david_didnt_resign_so_i_wont_either.p hp).

:lmao thanks. that is funny stuff. all hail king sanford.

[clambake]

way to defend your hack theory. like i said. work on your "gotchas"

you defended "B" girl to the end.



"gotcha"

[Viva Las Espuelas]

you defended "B" girl to the end.



"gotcha"


you obviously read only what you wanted to in the thread, but nice try. i believe i said i was wrong in that thread, but i don't want to get in the way of your "gotcha". we need to stop meeting like this.

[LnGrrrR]

way to defend your hack theory. like i said. work on your "gotchas"

Wtf planet are you on?



Viva: that's ok. we paid for the luau at the white house yesterday and for the obama's paris trip and date. nothing to see here.

Clam: this is what i see here: a gov. from the party of high morals steals taxpayers money to go cheat on his wife and kids.

Viva: i see taxpayers money wasted either way.


Now, since you're probably too stupid to understand, here's the definition of equivocation:

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–noun 1.the use of equivocal or ambiguous expressions, esp. in order to mislead or hedge; prevarication.2.an equivocal, ambiguous expression; equivoque: The speech was marked by elaborate equivocations. 3.Logic. a fallacy caused by the double meaning of a word.


You can deny your bs equivocation all you want, but everyone can see what you did, what you always do. It's the same thing as comparing Hitler to Bush because they both gave orders that led to thousands of deaths. It's the reason why conservatives can't win a vote nowadays, because so many of them are mindless parrots.

Maybe if some of you just stood up and said, "Hey, that was a pretty douchey move on his part," then I could not tolerate you. But it's always this petty, childish, "JIMMY STARTED IT!!!!" crap.

Should I waste my time on it? Probably not. But unfortunately for me, I can't just see blatant hackery and not try to call it out. C'est la vie.

[clambake]

you obviously read only what you wanted to in the thread, but nice try. i believe i said i was wrong in that thread, but i don't want to get in the way of your "gotcha". we need to stop meeting like this.

just messing with ya. but you were praying for it to be true. that's what is a disturbing trend for you.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Should I waste my time on it? Probably not.

but you did. :lmao

next time i see something that is one sided. i'll just leave it be. does that satisfy you? so much for seeing both sides. back on with your blinders.

[PEP]

I like all these stories better:

** Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) answered an ad placed in a Washington, D.C. homosexual paper, the Washington Blade, by Stephen Gobie, a male prostitute. Gobie became Barney Frank’s live-in sexual companion, and was soon running a male prostitution ring from Barney Frank’s condo. Today Frank chairs the Financial Services Committee.

** Rep. Gerry Studds (D-MA) has sex with underage male House page. Studds turns his back on the House when he is censured. He continued to serve in House for six more terms.

** Senate Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) plagued by scandals: Abramoff Scandal, Sons who are lobbyists, boxing tickets and other perks, land deal that made him $1 million, etc.- Serves as democratic Senate Majority Leader.

** Rep. Mel Reynolds (D-IL) was indicted for sexual assault and criminal sexual abuse for engaging in a sexual relationship with a 16-year-old campaign volunteer that began during the 1992 campaign. Despite the charges, he continued his campaign and was re-elected that November. Reynolds initially denied the charges, which he claimed were racially motivated. He was convicted on 12 counts of sexual assault, obstruction of justice and solicitation of child pornography.

** Hillary Clinton (D-NY) Her husband was impeached and involved in a record number of scandals and convictions during his term in office. She herself takes money from FBI fugitive. She becomes Secretary of State.

** Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) kills girl . Leaves her in pond to drown. Today he is second longest serving member (next to the former kleagle) in the Senate.

** Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV) former Ku Klux Klan Kleagle (recruiter). Today Byrd is longest serving member in the US Senate.

** Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vt)- in a 1985 television appearance Leahy disclosed classified information that one of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's telephone conversations had been intercepted. The information that Leahy revealed had been used in the operation to capture the Arab terrorists who had hijacked the Achille Lauro cruise ship and killed American citizens, and the Union-Tribune claimed that Leahy's indiscretion may have cost the life of at least one of the Egyptian operatives involved in that operation. Because of his several leaks he was forced to step down from his seat on the Senate Intelligence Committee. Today he is Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

** Democratic Iowan Senator Tom Harkin (and John Kerry D-MA) traveled to Managua, Nicaragua to assure Fidel Castro's proxy Daniel Ortega that Senate Democrats were working overtime to thwart President Reagan's efforts to bring Democracy to the region. Today he is head of Senate agriculture committee.

[clambake]

cool list....now add sanford.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol

You guys are really trying hard to change the subject.

[jman3000]

If PEP had just added all the Republican scandals that occurred during the same time frame as those Democrat ones he wouldn't have looked like a partisan tool.

The Abramoff scandal alone would have gotten close to that list.

Oh well.

[Wild Cobra]

WC will be crestfallen


I doubt it. WC never admits he's wrong. Maybe it's because he's infallible.
Wow...

I leave this thread alone after the initial day, maybe two, and you are all talking behind my back.

I don't know what the other pages since my last post say. I haven't ever read the posts after these yet. Still...

You are both wrong.

Oh Gee... I expect you to be a cynical asshole. Nuff said. At least you don't warrant me to keep you on IGNORE like I have Clambake for some months now.

WH, it surprises me that you just said that. I have admitted on several occasions I was wrong. I guess just not enough to your liking, or in threads you didn't follow.

[clambake]

what a crybaby.

[Wild Cobra]

Looking back, my last posting was in #87, and until some minutes ago, I hadn't looked at this thread. In that one I said:

Well, this guy has the Clinton Democrats cinched up for 2012 now...Isn't that an indication that I saw what the most recent news up to that point was?

I'm not real big on a persons personal life. In politics, I care about how they vote. In this case, for this governor, I haven't a clue even. I only came back to this thread because all the last responses in others I cared for were mine.