Shaq is a Cavalier

[Pistons < Spurs]

Cavs land Shaq for Wallace, Pavlovic



The Cleveland Cavaliers have reached an agreement in principle to acquire Phoenix Suns center Shaquille O’Neal(notes), a league source told Yahoo! Sports late Thursday night.

Cleveland will send Ben Wallace(notes), Sasha Pavlovic(notes), the 46th pick in Thursday’s draft and cash to the Suns for O’Neal.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-shaq062409&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

wow we both made the thread at the same time.

[spursfaninla]

I guess this is to deal with Howard? Don't know if Shaq is the answer. Good luck with that.

Well, its not like it cost them that much, anyway.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

fuck steve kerr

[sook]

This is fucking gay!~

[rayray2k8]

Guess we'll go with this thread, since he beat both of us.

[rayray2k8]

The Cavs just got slower..

[TheProfessor]

So Shaq gets a bone bruise halfway through the season, sits out the year in shame, and waddles back to LA.

[Avitus1]

A whole lot slower...

Beware Shaq-Fu!

[rayray2k8]

Let me guess?
shaq is probably gonna promise the cav fans that he's gonna help 'em get a ring.
He always says that. :lol

[Thundaluva]

lol we get John Wall fuckin Phoenix losers.

[jack sommerset]

2010 Lakers vs Cavs for the title

[Pistons < Spurs]

The Cavaliers just got more annoying then they already were.

[sook]

Yup.


They were probably the most overhyped team in NBA history...but they have a legit shot now.

[ducks]

The Cavs just got slower..

not really
mike brown wanted them to walk it up
barkley was saying a faster tempo would help james get easy baskets

[BlackSwordsMan]

cavs already making moves to combat richard jefferson in the finals

[ducks]

Yup.


They were probably the most overhyped team in NBA history...but they have a legit shot now.

shaq numbers will be worse then last year book it

[Lars]

Meh, probably just means one more puppet in next years commercials.

[Xylus]

Fuck Steve Kerr and Robert Sarver.

Worst two people to happen to the Phoenix Suns.

[sook]

shaq numbers will be worse then last year book it

This is shaq. Who gives a fuck if he doesn't score :lol

Mofo will clog up the paint and open things up on the offensive end.


The rockets always used the same tactic to expose these pussies but I don't think its going to work anymore.

[rayray2k8]

The Cavaliers just got more annoying then they already were.

Makes you wonder if they actually got better or worse?

[TheProfessor]

The Cavaliers just got more annoying then they already were.
Yes. Can't wait for the endless, "Can LeBron win his first ring while Shaq rides triumphantly off into the sunset" promos.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Fuck Steve Kerr and Robert Sarver.

Worst two people to happen to the Phoenix Suns.


3. Nash for wanting this trade to happen.

[Trainwreck2100]

:lol

This trade just locked the Lakers in for another title run.

they lost ben wallace and sasha pavlovich

[ginobili's bald spot]

This is exactly what I didn't want to happen. :depressed

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Fuck everything. Next season is going to suck watching a 25 win team that doesn't even have its own pick. A few years ago I hated it when people felt sorry for Suns fans, now I feel sorry for myself. This is fuckin ridiculous.

[sook]

Fuck everything. Next season is going to suck watching a 25 win team that doesn't even have its own pick. A few years ago I hated it when people felt sorry for Suns fans, now I feel sorry for myself. This is fuckin ridiculous.

My rockets will always have a place for you DOK.

And if Amare or Nash come over it will be just like your own team :toast

[Spursmania]

This only means the Cavs will implode... A la Shaq touch.
Cavs really just got slower. Good luck with that.

[ginobili's bald spot]

I feel bad for you man. At least when you have a pick you can look forward to getting someone good and hope that they will be your savior. Without a pick things must seem pretty hopeless.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Thanks sook, but if I decide to jump on a bandwagon for the next 5 inevitable shitty years, it'll either be the Thunder or whatever team signs Grant Hill. I'm done cheering for Nash and his faggot behavior.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

And thanks GBS.

:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry

[sook]

As revenge against your team and city, you should become a die-hard Laker fan. The timing is perfect. Besides, were only 6 hours away from you, 4 1/2 if you drive my car.:toast

:lmao

[gaKNOW!blee]

Now they have a big man who's not a piece of shit.....still think they need another guard who can score.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Hopefully "FBI Kerr" is getting the pick back so I can stop being such a whiny faggot and have something to look forward to.

[TheProfessor]

Fuck everything. Next season is going to suck watching a 25 win team that doesn't even have its own pick. A few years ago I hated it when people felt sorry for Suns fans, now I feel sorry for myself. This is fuckin ridiculous.
I tried to give Kerr the benefit of the doubt for as long as humanly possible, just assumed someone I enjoyed on commentary so much couldn't be this God-awful. I've enjoyed my fair share of Suns' mockery, but now I just feel awful for you guys.

[sook]

I tried to give Kerr the benefit of the doubt for as long as humanly possible, just assumed someone I enjoyed on commentary so much couldn't be this God-awful. I've enjoyed my fair share of Suns' mockery, but now I just feel awful for you guys.

Didn't he say something along the lines of "If this doesn't work I'm an idiot" ?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I tried to give Kerr the benefit of the doubt for as long as humanly possible.


Exactly I did as well.....up until this off season I didn't blame anything on him, but now this faggot has crossed the line. He's probably going to announce a 10 year Nash extension tomorrow.

[jman3000]

Shaq is going the Ewing/Olajuwan route of winding down his career and being tossed around.

He deserves better than this.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Deal awaiting final owner approval


The Cleveland Cavaliers and the Phoenix Suns have come to an agreement on a blockbuster trade that sends Shaquille O'Neal to Cleveland to team with LeBron James, according to sources.

The deal has been agreed to in principle and is expected to be finalized Thursday, according to sources.

Cleveland will send Ben Wallace and Sasha Pavlovic to Phoenix for the future Hall of Famer.

The trade gives the Cavs a player they've coveted since February. With center Zydrunas Ilgauskas starting to break down, adding Shaq to the roster gives them a dominant force in the middle. The Cavs were obviously unhappy with their ability to defend Dwight Howard in the playoffs and bringing Shaq into the fold should help.

For the Suns, the move is a straight salary dump. Pavlovic's $5 million dollar contract next season is only partially guaranteed for the amount of $1.5 million. Factor in the disparities in the contracts between Wallace, Pavlovic and Shaq and the team will save $4.5 milliion next season. However, when you factor in the savings they'll reap on the luxury tax, it will be closer to $10 million in savings. That savings can be amplified if Wallace decides to retire and the Suns buy him out of his contract for less than the $14 million he's owed next season.

The trade is a pretty strong admission by the Suns that they screwed up when they traded Shawn Marion for Shaq in February of 2007. Marion was a free agent this summer and, had they let him walk, their savings would've been $21 million not the $5.5 million they're saving in this deal.

When the Suns made the trade they had the best record in the Western Conference. This year they finished in the lottery. With Shaq gone, the question is ... are the Suns finally rebuilding?

Sources say that the team would still like to compete. They still have veterans Steve Nash, Amare Stoudemire, Jason Richardson and Leandro Barbosa. They also have the 14th pick in the draft this year and second year player Robin Lopez.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4285489

[Spursmania]

Yes. Can't wait for the endless, "Can LeBron win his first ring while Shaq rides triumphantly off into the sunset" promos.

Or the Shaq v. Kobe final hype?:vomit:

[redzero]

Need moar one sided trades.

[TheProfessor]

Didn't he say something along the lines of "If this doesn't work I'm an idiot" ?
Think it was something like, "If it works I'm a genius, if it doesn't I'm an idiot."

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

If Grant is smart, he goes to Boston or LA.

LA. He's a perfect fit in the triangle.

[TheProfessor]

Shaq is going the Ewing/Olajuwan route of winding down his career and being tossed around.

He deserves better than this.
No, he really doesn't.

[timtonymanu]

Wow that sucks for you DoK. I really feel sorry for you. But at least ur a true fan to ur team. I wouldnt blame you though if u did change teams.

[Leetonidas]

:lmao

Like it's gonna make a difference. They still ain't going nowhere next year. Shaq can't guard Howard.

[TheProfessor]

Wow that sucks for you DoK. I really feel sorry for you. But at least ur a true fan to ur team. I wouldnt blame you though if u did change teams.
Just change to the Thunder. No one would blame you at this point, and they need representation on this board.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Wow that sucks for you DoK. I really feel sorry for you. But at least ur a true fan to ur team. I wouldnt blame you though if u did change teams.


I can't change teams. Sarver said that if things didn't get better he'd sell the team soon. I gotta at least hold out for that. It's gotten to a point though where I wonder if the team deserves support from the fans who watch them no matter how much they suck.

[ginobili's bald spot]

Shaq found out he got traded on twitter. :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Just change to the Thunder. No one would blame you at this point, and they need representation on this board.


:lol did you think Thundaluva was an actual poster?

[Thompson]

Thanks sook, but if I decide to jump on a bandwagon for the next 5 inevitable shitty years, it'll either be the Thunder or whatever team signs Grant Hill.

Spurs? :eyebrows

[iggypop123]

Lebron cant win without shaq

[KidCongo]

Cavs still got some moves left I hope.

[gaKNOW!blee]

What happened to Rogue's thread?

Why did he get banned?

[Trainwreck2100]

http://www.wayofchampions.com/images/pic-spurs-danny-ferry.jpg

collusion???

[duncan228]

What happened to Rogue's thread?

Why did he get banned?


Next person to start one of those dumb overrated threads will be banned from SpursTalk for a month. The behavior in the NBA forum lately is equivalent to going to being invited to someone's house for dinner and crapping on their carpet.

There's a lot of stupidity here lately and pretty soon a whole big group of you won't be welcome anymore.

[TheProfessor]

:lol did you think Thundaluva was an actual poster?
I assumed he was a Bruno troll, is he one of yours? :lol

[KidCongo]

Shaq and LeBron dunk show!

[gaKNOW!blee]

Thanks 228.

[sook]

And somehow Dr House evades the axe with all his stupid ass threads.

Please ban the guy Kori!

[peskypesky]

Lebron and Shaq could probably beat half the teams in the East just by themselves.

[peskypesky]

:lmao

Like it's gonna make a difference. They still ain't going nowhere next year. Shaq can't guard Howard.

Shaq actually played pretty well against Howard this past season IIRC. But next year, Shaq will be another year further away from his prime and Howard another year nearer, so Howard should have the upper hand.

[Killakobe81]

Good move it's definitely better than doing NOTHING ...But if Celts are healthy are the Cavs better than Boston? If Hedo Signs are they better than Orlando? Either way I like it East is getting stronger ...West just got smaller plus we Only have to hear the Kobe vs Shaq stuff twice a year plus it's mitigated some by Lebron vs. Kobe

Shaq helps Mo williams etc. But This has to be the slowest starting/backup center combo in a long while ...If Im Orlando I run the Cavs ragged and I clog the lane to prevent Lebron drives and in half-court offense more pnr Shaq is even worse at pnr than Wallace but not as bad as "Z"

Cavs willl be great in regular season but will lose in 2nd round ...

[Lebron4MVP]

Well considering what we gave up to land shaq, it could be worse. Thing is I dont expect it to matter all that much. Shaq isnt a dominating force he once was. He is 37 (will be 38 during the 2009-2010 year). I dont care how motivated he is. The fucker is 37 years old and slow as shit. He is a 330 pound version of Z and will get raped by Howard. The guy isnt what he used to be and that is exactly what the Cavs will need out of him if they even want to think about being elite. This move also doesnt help for next summer in terms of convincing lebron to stay.

The Cavs got a little better but not better enough to be called elite.

[Nash2TimeMVp]

Told everybody shaq would be the one to get traded. cavs are gonna suck now.

[Killakobe81]

I dont blame suns fans for being mad ...For Trading Marion & Shaq the only useful piece left is Jason Richardson ....an undersized 2-guard ...
In the West how do the Suns compete with Amare, nash Hill Richardson Barbosa Lopez an dBarnes? Great offense and only 2 of those guys try on defense ...

[Lp26]

So Lebron loves to drive to the basket, and Shaq likes to sit underneath the basket for a majority of the game . . .

The Cavs got killed on the pick n roll . . . Shaq doesn't believe in defending the pick n roll.

Sounds good so far.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Told everybody shaq would be the one to get traded. cavs are gonna suck now.


You should crawl back in your mom's vagina so she can undo her mistake and go to work with a clothes hanger.

[DMX7]

wow we both made the thread at the same time.

We sent him as a spy to destroy your team. You're welcome. :)

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

We sent him as a spy to destroy your team. You're welcome. :)


I'd rather be a Suns fan than a UTSA fan.

[Lebron4MVP]

So Lebron loves to drive to the basket, and Shaq likes to sit underneath the basket for a majority of the game . . .

The Cavs got killed on the pick n roll . . . Shaq doesn't believe in defending the pick n roll.

Sounds good so far.


Thats one reason to retract my comments on the trade! FUCK WE SUCK ON THE PICK AND ROLL AND SHAQ ONLY MAKES THE PICK AND ROLL D EVEN WORSE!:depressed

[Nash2TimeMVp]

You should crawl back in your mom's vagina so she can undo her mistake and go to work with a clothes hanger.
Well that's what i expected you to say. i mean you're always wrong about everything and you can only make fun of people.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Well that's what i expected you to say. i mean you're always wrong about everything and you can only make fun of people.


I'm not wrong you Nash loving prick. The Suns were 2-5 without Shaq last year, is that a good record???


I wish this wasn't over the internet so I could knock your teeth in.

[Killakobe81]

Lebron and Shaq could probably beat half the teams in the East just by themselves.

I dont know about that ...Wiz, Hawks, Celts, Magic, Bulls Heat and Sixers will all be better. Heck even Knicks will be and they will run the hell out of the Cavs ...

[turiaf for president]

the rich getting richer via yet another salary dump =D.

time for the magic to pick up a big name

[Spursfan092120]

lol we get John Wall fuckin Phoenix losers.
lol @ Thunder fan calling Phoenix fans losers.

[DPG21920]

DOK, why are you upset, didn't you want the suns to purge everyone?

[DrHouse]

Interesting trade for Cleveland. Not sure how it'll play out.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

lol @ Thunder fan calling Phoenix fans losers.


Don't talk shit to my troll.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

DOK, why are you upset, didn't you want the suns to purge everyone?


Yes, that was assuming they'd get their 2010 pick back. There's no way the Thunder trade that pick now and they got absolutely nothing for Shaq. Shaq's also my favorite player, so I'm understandably upset.

[Clutch City 01]

WOW Shaq + Big Z + Lebron AND Mo Williams/West....:wow

Just hand them the trophy now why dont we...They're gonna detroy the league with that lineup. clearly the Favorite to win 2009- 2010 :lobt2:

[Rogue]

shaq is overrated

[Nash2TimeMVp]

I'm not wrong you Nash loving prick. The Suns were 2-5 without Shaq last year, is that a good record???


I wish this wasn't over the internet so I could knock your teeth in.
wow you're an idiot. a span of 7 games tells a lot. the teams they played etc.. you have the role of the douchebag played perfectly to the dot.

suns knew that shaq was the problem in the success of the team, so they traded him, just like how i said he was the problem and he needs to be traded and that he might and it happend.

you on the other hand were jacking off to the 7 game span that shaq was out and the suns happend to go 2-5 on and you thought he was the answer to the suns problems and should stay, you were wrong, because the suns did exactly the opposite. lol you suck at life, now go suck off your tim duncan blow up doll and do everybody a favor and stop posting.

[Clutch City 01]

Can anyone think of another all time great player who has been shipped around like a bag of garbage as many times as Shaq has? And most every time, the team he leaves is happy to see him go. :lol

[Killakobe81]

WOW Shaq + Big Z + Lebron AND Mo Williams/West....:wow

Just hand them the trophy now why dont we...They're gonna detroy the league with that lineup. clearly the Favorite to win 2009- 2010 :lobt2:

ARE you serious? They have 2 great half court players whose favorite area (the paint) is only so BIG I put my center and my 2 best defenders focuse on the Key my other 2 dudes stay with West and Mo rest of the team is garbage ...si I live them with open j

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

wow you're an idiot. a span of 7 games tells a lot. the teams they played etc.. you have the role of the douchebag played perfectly to the dot.

suns knew that shaq was the problem in the success of the team, so they traded him, just like how i said he was the problem and he needs to be traded and that he might and it happend.

you on the other hand were jacking off to the 7 game span that shaq was out and the suns happend to go 2-5 on and you thought he was the answer to the suns problems and should stay, you were wrong, because the suns did exactly the opposite. lol you suck at life, please go suck off you tim duncan blow up doll and do everybody a favor and stop posting.


I'll bet 99% of this board would rather you stop posting than me. Fortunately bandwagon fans like you will stop caring once the team sucks next year.

[DPG21920]

Yes, but you were not winning with Shaq anyways and you keep the capspace and save some money.

[Nash2TimeMVp]

I'll bet 99% of this board would rather you stop posting than me. Fortunately bandwagon fans like you will stop caring once the team sucks next year.

lol i'll cry you all a river for your approval.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Yes, but you were not winning with Shaq anyways and you keep the capspace and save some money.


They're still over the salary cap, and the money Sarver saves doesn't do shit for me.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Hey Nash2timeMVp, how old are you, 12?

[IronMexican]

If Shaq plays at last years level, Cavs are contenders.

[Clutch City 01]

ARE you serious? They have 2 great half court players whose favorite area (the paint) is only so BIG I put my center and my 2 best defenders focuse on the Key my other 2 dudes stay with West and Mo rest of the team is garbage ...si I live them with open j

HAHAHA let's not kid yourself. LeBron with Shaq, especially the Shaq of last year, with all of that outside shooting and solid team defense, is a contender. They definitely have a much better shot at beating Orlando, because Shaq probably gets Dwight Howard in foul trouble, and Howard doesn't get (as many) easy alley-oops and dunks in playoff basketball against Shaq. They're now the team to beat in the East.

[Killakobe81]

Wow on BSPN ...they say this move is for Orlando ...I still dont see them better than Orlando but would love to see that matchup. Shaq vs. Howard 3 4 times a year Superman I vs. II my guess is those games Shaq plays his best ...

[Clutch City 01]

David Stern just popped a boner fantasizing about a Lakers-Cavs Finals

[DPG21920]

They're still over the salary cap, and the money Sarver saves doesn't do shit for me.

I understand that, but if the owner saves money, it could turn into a willingness to spend down the road.

[Steve Kerr]

Don't ask my why I still have a job. You owe me one (or two) Presti.

[Steve Kerr]

it could turn into a willingness to spend down the road.


I work for Sarver and you have a serious brain injury if you think something will make that man "willing to spend money".

[DPG21920]

Aren't the suns paying luxury tax now?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Aren't the suns paying luxury tax now?


What's your point?


I'll make you a deal, I'll go 2 months without posting if the Suns use their MLE this off season.

[DPG21920]

If they are shedding salary, why would they use the MLE, that is stupid.

A bunch of Suns fans bitching about their owner not spending money when they are in the luxury tax.

The point is that if he saves money now, his efforts to rebuild down the road might be better.

Obviously not next year suns fan.

[DPG21920]

what's your point?


I'll make you a deal, i'll go 2 months without posting a poll if the suns use their mle this off season.

fify

[Killakobe81]

HAHAHA let's not kid yourself. LeBron with Shaq, especially the Shaq of last year, with all of that outside shooting and solid team defense, is a contender. They definitely have a much better shot at beating Orlando, because Shaq probably gets Dwight Howard in foul trouble, and Howard doesn't get (as many) easy alley-oops and dunks in playoff basketball against Shaq. They're now the team to beat in the East.

Shaq qill get in foul trouble 1st ... he is running shaq ragged ...Cavs will be great regular season ...suspect in Playoffs.

If Boston is healthy Perkins does a good job on Shaq, KG plays help "D" on Lebron who is gaurded by Pierce and Rondo destroys Mo ...

Orlando already has shown they could beat Cavs Shaq does not drasticlly alter that ...he helps on pnr? Yeah, right. They get faster with Shaq? Now he can outlet pass but he hates the offense moving without him for too long ...


Cavs will have league's best record and Lebron will probably win 2nd MVP but Cavs fail to win title again and face prospect of losing James ...

[Thunder Dynasty]

Kerr deserves a ring when we win it all in 2013.

[HANNIBAL SMITH]

:lol I guess were gonna start hearing the " Lebron needs Shaq" to win titles talk now huh. I really don't know what to say about this move, i mean the team that they had was good enough for 66 wins, they were just a terrible match up for Orlando. Shaq might be able to slow down Howard a lil bit, but i still dont see this deal putting them over Orlando, Turk, Lewis and Pietrus murdered them from the perimeter. Now if the Cavs Pick up Sheed ( which i have a feeling they may do) then they're most likely gonna be the favorites to win it all.

[InRareForm]

LeFat

[DPG21920]

The Big Front Runner?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The Big Front Runner?


The Big has done nothing to deserve the black balling he's getting from Phoenix fans.

[DPG21920]

True. He played well. He tried. No blame can be placed on him imo.

[DPG21920]

Did you catch Nash's "Showdown in Chinatown"?

[Killakobe81]

Why would sheed go there? Unless they let Varajao go ...

[KidCongo]

Shaq may 'clog' the paint but at least he can finish. Ben Wallace and Varejao to an extent have people sagging off them shading over to LeBron all the time.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Did you catch Nash's "Showdown in Chinatown"?


I hope one day I can watch Nash's showdown with oncoming traffic.

[IronMexican]

Jay, why not a Bulls fan? Is this cause the Tribune let you go?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Shaq may 'clog' the paint but at least he can finish.


Shaq doens't "clog" the paint. That's nothing more than an excuse the Amare and Nash faggots made when those two started playing like shit.

[Allanon]

Risky move by the Cavs. This either gets them to the Finals or gets them into the lottery.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Risky move by the Cavs. This either gets them to the Finals or gets them into the lottery.


That's an epic type of retarded.....how the hell does that get them to the lottery?

[Chillen]

If he stays healthy all season, great trade, if he gets injured, bummer, but still not a bad trade. Cleveland is probably a lock to get back to the ECF with this move, but in the NBA anything can happen in an 82 game season and in the playoffs. I still believe Orlando or Boston can beat them in a 7 game series with Shaq, but this makes it tougher on those teams to do so.

Not sure what the Suns are doing over there, but Kerr and Sarver clearly are admitting the Shaq trade was a flop.

[IronMexican]

:lol Mcmullen looks like Skip Bayless

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

McMullen is a stupid cunt.

[KidCongo]

Shaq doens't "clog" the paint. That's nothing more than an excuse the Amare and Nash faggots made when those two started playing like shit.

Fuckin Ay.

Allanon, the lottery, in the east? You've gotta be fuckin kidding.

Cavs still got moves left, they coming for you.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

lol anyone that thinks this hurts Cleveland. I still think they need to get rid of Illgauskas, he sucks.

[KidCongo]

lol anyone that thinks this hurts Cleveland. I still think they need to get rid of Illgauskas, he sucks.

The only way they trade him is if A) He wants out B) He gets bought out and comes straight back.

Word is, Chandler was the back-up plan if the Cavs didn't get Shaq.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

^As long as Illgauskas plays a significant role they're going to have serious issues. They need to find an extremely athletic PF to play next to Shaq and do things like defend the PNR. Brandon Bass maybe.

[JamStone]

Risky move by the Cavs. This either gets them to the Finals or gets them into the lottery.

There is no risk at all. They ship off two players that are either done or don't play. And, Shaq's contract is expiring. What's the risk? Now, it might not be a move that puts the Cavs over the top, but it's not a risky move at all.

[KidCongo]

I'm pretty sure the Shaq trade is the start of a couple of moves Ferry will do. An athletic, stretch type PF and a 6th man or starter quality swingman.

[noob cake]

Risky move by the Cavs. This either gets them to the Finals or gets them into the lottery.

King Krab does not believe in the lottery. The key to defeating Cavs now is to run pick and roll on every single posession. No exceptions.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The Cavs need to move Mo Williams to bench and move Delonte West as the starting PG. I think you're right Ferry is going to wheel and deal this summer.

[21_Blessings]

Cleveland gets worse defensively. Shaq's fat ass will clog the lane making Lebron's drive less effective. Still not beating Boston/Orlando. Even if they luck and do advance to the finals the Lakers will fucking stomp that ass in front of the most watched NBA finals since Jordan.

[iggypop123]

who would take willaims trash contract?

[KidCongo]

Cleveland gets worse defensively. Shaq's fat ass will clog the lane making Lebron's drive less effective. Still not beating Boston/Orlando. Even if they luck and do advance to the finals the Lakers will fucking stomp that ass in front of the most watched NBA finals since Jordan.

Because KG and Dwight never sagged off Ben Wallace?

[KidCongo]

who would take willaims trash contract?

Not trading Mo:lol

Mo will start and I hope Ferry picks up a swingman that can start at the 2. Then Delonte comes off the bench as the 6th man, combo guard.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

LMAO @ people who say this makes Cleveland worse.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Not trading Mo:lol

Mo will start and I hope Ferry picks up a swingman that can start at the 2. Then Delonte comes off the bench as the 6th man, combo guard.


West > Williams

Williams is a better 6th man combo guard, while West is a better role player big defensive PG IMO. Bottom line is they need a player to do for Lebron what Ariza does for Kobe.

[JamStone]

What other moves can the Cavs make? They have no more tradeable assets and they're over the cap. They have the MLE to get a stretch PF and a 6th man or a starting caliber swing man? Good luck with that. The Cavs might make a few more small moves. But, I think this is the one major move they make all summer. They really don't have anything to work with to make another big move.

[TheMACHINE]

Shaq did crap with Steve Nash, Grant Hill and Amare...he'll do the same with Lebron and Mo Williams. Its not like he's getting any younger.

[Jeremy]

Was it Kerr who just stated a few days ago that the Suns were NOT going to make a trade just for salary reasons if it didn't improve the team??????????!!!!!!!! What a LIAR!!!!

[TheMACHINE]

LMAO @ people who say this makes Cleveland worse.

LMAO @ people who thought Shaq would have helped the Suns.

[KidCongo]

What other moves can the Cavs make? They have no more tradeable assets and they're over the cap. They have the MLE to get a stretch PF and a 6th man or a starting caliber swing man? Good luck with that. The Cavs might make a few more small moves. But, I think this is the one major move they make all summer. They really don't have anything to work with to make another big move.

True their best financial assets are gone, but there has been word of the Cavs wanting to move up into the 10-20 range in the draft. Maybe they could have only done this with Sasha and Ben's contract. I guess we'll find this out tomorrow.

[angrydude]

the suns are just blowing up their team piece by piece. Lol.

This definitely makes the cavs better. That team is basically nothing but Lebron James and a couple 3 pt shooters. Now with shaq teams will finally have to pay attention to someone else.

[Jeremy]

3. Nash for wanting this trade to happen.

He may have wanted them to trade Shaq, but the hilarious part is he may be ticked that they traded him for absolutely nothing and Nash may refuse to sign an extension! LOL.

It all comes down to Kerr is the worst GM ever, and Sarver is the worst owner ever. Terrible combination!

[j.dizzle]

:lol Snack Attack moving from team to team like its nothing these days..Orlando, LA, Miami, & PHX..All these places are nice..How the hell is he gonna live in OHIO?? :lol I cant wait to see what kind of BS lies Shaq says now. Cleveland was never gonna win anything with Z as center so might as well try something new to compete with boston & orl in the east. Shaq's pick & roll defense is terrible though but atleast that conference will be more entertaining now :toast

[spursfan1000]

None of the Cavaliers fans should be complaining, they got Shaq for basically nothing. Ben Wallace and Sasha are nobodies and Ben has a huge contract, plus Shaq is just a dominating force, but they will get alot slower, hopefully now that they have Shaq they will give the Spurs Big Z or Verajao

[baseline bum]

:lmao

Like it's gonna make a difference. They still ain't going nowhere next year. Shaq can't guard Howard.

Yeah, LMAO @ these idiot GMs trading for Shaq and thinking he's going to be their answer in the middle on D. Shaq hasn't given defensive effort since 2001.

[baseline bum]

I'd rather be a Suns fan than a UTSA fan.

Cold. (me too)

[timvp]

camby suntastic

[Cry Havoc]

How can someone argue with getting Shaq for almost nothing?

It's baffling to me how many people shout this trade down because, "It won't win Cleveland a title."

Well, so what? What if it wins them a single important game in the playoffs that they might not otherwise have won?

Great trade for the Cavs.

[Kobayagi]

"LeBron can't wint the title without Shaq."


Poor LeBron...it's a lose lose situation for him.

[dav4463]

Now I will bet that the Cavs will be the first team in NBA history to have all of their 82 games played shown on National Television!

[kobyz]

bad for the Spurs, now Stern will want Kobe/Gasol vs Lebron/Shaq finals.

[KSeal]

Shaq's the biggest frontrunner for someone who says they hate frontrunners.

[Heath Ledger]

If Shaq can stay healthy and not have too much of a drop off I think the Cavs are easily a favorite to go all the way next year. But thats a big if.

[Chieflion]

We will have more funny fishing pictures of Shaq and LeBron if they get eliminated from the playoffs come next season.

[KidCongo]

We will have more funny fishing pictures of Shaq and LeBron if they get eliminated from the playoffs come next season.

The best pre-game and post-game antics too. Unless the coaches put a stop too it.

[KSeal]

We will have more funny fishing pictures of Shaq and LeBron when they get eliminated from the playoffs come next season.

fixed

[KidCongo]

Thats a retarded trade. Basically they got someone to sit in the lane when Lebron James drives and take up all the space, rendering James to his mid-range next year

Coz people never sat off Wallace.

[TheSpursFNRule]

The best pre-game and post-game antics too. Unless the coaches put a stop too it.

no one will ever tell Lebron to stop. not his coach and not the NBA. he is the king. they fear him. :king

[Bukefal]

Go Cavs! Go shaq!!

[DeadlyDynasty]

Props to the Cavs...this is the best one-year investment they possibly could've made. They are undoubtedly the favorites to win it all next year. Like other people have said, it'll be funny if and when LBJ wins the title next year, being that he couldn't win w/o Shaq :lol:

[KidCongo]

Props to the Cavs...this is the best one-year investment they possibly could've made. They are undoubtedly the favorites to win it all next year. Like other people have said, it'll be funny if and when LBJ wins the title next year, being that he couldn't win w/o Shaq :lol:

Man your sig is so dam hot.:lol

[sribb43]

F' Kerr...helping out his boy Danny Ferry

[stretch]

Cavs = 2010 Champs :lobt:

[Thunder Dan]

Word on the Street is the Cavs will be signing Rasheed in a week.

Whether Shaq is old and slow or not, they got him for a guy who is slower and a guy who sits on the bench.

[SpursFan8179]

Cleveland still isn't going to win the NBA title with or without Shaq. After Lesuck was being a baby when Orlando punked them last month in the Eastern Finals, I hope the Cavs never win as long as James is on that team.

[Thunder Dan]

I like how Charlie Villenueva is openly campaigning to come to Cleveland. From His twitter


CV31well, twitterland like I said there will be more trades to come, very interesting, Shaq to Cleveland, nice, all Cleveland need is a PF now

[ElNono]

This move was probably requested by Lecrab himself. And Ferry is all too happy to deliver considering 2010 is looming. Bad move, IMHO.

[Thunder Dan]

This move was probably requested by Lecrab himself. And Ferry is all too happy to deliver considering 2010 is looming. Bad move, IMHO.

How is this a bad move? explain it to me.

They traded SASHA PAVLOVIC and BEN WALLACE for 18 points and 8 Rebounds, and doesn't limit them for going after Charlie Villeneauva or Rasheed Wallace. Look who they gave up, how is it a bad move? Everyone is expecting them to trade for someone like Bosh, but the Raptors aren't trading him. Their best shot at another star is next summer via free agency, and Shaq doesn't cut into those plans. Explain to me why it's a bad move

[MateoNeygro]

Risky move by the Cavs. This either gets them to the Finals or gets them into the lottery.

It is very risky I agree, but I doubt any team with Lebron will be in the lottery. Even if it was Lebron and 4 monkeys they'd still make the playoffs Lol...

[Thunder Dan]

It is very risky I agree, but I doubt any team with Lebron will be in the lottery. Even if it was Lebron and 4 monkeys they'd still make the playoffs Lol...

if the Cavs were to be a lottery team it was 2007 when they were starting Sasha, Larry Hughes and Daniel Gibson at times in the playoffs. Not only did they make the playoffs, but they won the EC. No team with Lebron will be a lottery team unless he gets hurt.

[Spurminator]

One of two things will happen this year... The Cavs will make the Finals, or Mike Brown will be fired.

Hell, I guess both could happen.

[ElNono]

How is this a bad move? explain it to me.

They traded SASHA PAVLOVIC and BEN WALLACE for 18 points and 8 Rebounds, and doesn't limit them for going after Charlie Villeneauva or Rasheed Wallace. Look who they gave up, how is it a bad move? Everyone is expecting them to trade for someone like Bosh, but the Raptors aren't trading him. Their best shot at another star is next summer via free agency, and Shaq doesn't cut into those plans. Explain to me why it's a bad move

Shaq is making $20 million for basically an unknown. Will he play all season? Will he be motivated to give his all? Those are always big questions with the big fella. He actually did do that last season, yet the Suns missed the playoffs.
He can still be effective against some teams, but I don't think he can still dominate like in the past. There's a good share of bigs that can be had for cheaper this offseason (Sheed, Dice). I agree that jettisoning Ben Wallace was a good move, I just don't think Shaq will have the impact basketball-wise that people expect from him.

[Thunder Dan]

Shaq is making $20 million for basically an unknown. Will he play all season? Will he be motivated to give his all? Those are always big questions with the big fella. He actually did do that last season, yet the Suns missed the playoffs.
He can still be effective against some teams, but I don't think he can still dominate like in the past. There's a good share of bigs that can be had for cheaper this offseason (Sheed, Dice). I agree that jettisoning Ben Wallace was a good move, I just don't think Shaq will have the impact basketball-wise that people expect from him.

Ben Wallace was making the same and he offers basically nothing. Wouldn't you agree that $20,000,000 is better off going to Shaq than to Ben Wallace and a guy that doesn't play? That's the trade.

[ElNono]

Ben Wallace was making the same and he offers basically nothing. Wouldn't you agree that $20,000,000 is better off going to Shaq than to Ben Wallace and a guy that doesn't play? That's the trade.

I think a better trade would have been to get at least Dice + another wing better than Wally out of it. And with $20 million I'm fairly sure you could have pulled it off...
That said, it's a gamble. It's all on Shaq now.

[Thunder Dan]

I think a better trade would have been to get at least Dice + another wing better than Wally out of it. And with $20 million I'm fairly sure you could have pulled it off...
That said, it's a gamble. It's all on Shaq now.

it's easier to get an impact SG in the draft than it is to get an established center who can guard Dwight Howard. The Cavs aren't done making moves. They will draft a wingman tonight, they can't draft a Hall of Fame center. Shit Courtney Lee is a prime example of what you can get in the draft

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Anyone who thinks this is a bad trade for Cleveland has some serious issues. Congrats on the trade Thunder Dan.

[Spurtacus]

Mike Brown is still the problem in Cleveland. Even with Shaq I don't think they can win it all.

As for Phoenix...I can't think of a single good move Kerr has made since taking over. Stoudemire will probably be traded for a 2nd round pick today.

[Ghazi]

big upgrade if shaq can replicate last year.

[ElNono]

it's easier to get an impact SG in the draft than it is to get an established center who can guard Dwight Howard. The Cavs aren't done making moves. They will draft a wingman tonight, they can't draft a Hall of Fame center. Shit Courtney Lee is a prime example of what you can get in the draft

I think DHo was only half of the problem. Having two talented, but undersized guards that couldn't defend the perimeter against taller guys like Hedo and Rashard was the other half. And Shaq being able to guard DHo is a big question mark in my mind. It's not clear cut at all.
Let me point out that my disagreement is not that Shaq is an improvement over the departed players. What I contend is that they could have done better with that money.

[LnGrrrR]

Mike Brown is still the problem in Cleveland. Even with Shaq I don't think they can win it all.

As for Phoenix...I can't think of a single good move Kerr has made since taking over. Stoudemire will probably be traded for a 2nd round pick today.

Mike Brown should... probably... be better coaching next year, if he learns from this year.

This draft sucks for me as a Celtics fan... I have nothing to look forward to. The 58th pick? Ooh whoopie.

[ElNono]

big upgrade if shaq can replicate last year.

That's exactly it. And that's a big IF at this point in time.

[Thunder Dan]

Anyone who thinks this is a bad trade for Cleveland has some serious issues. Congrats on the trade Thunder Dan.

is there the same hype in Phoenix for Ben Wallace as there is here for Shaq? Is there a line at the team shop for Wallace jerseys?

[ElNono]

is there the same hype in Phoenix for Ben Wallace as there is here for Shaq? Is there a line at the team shop for Wallace jerseys?

If you're into winning popularity contests, and turning into the winless Phoenix Suns of the last 5 years or so, go right ahead. :toast

[Thunder Dan]

If you're into winning popularity contests, and turning into the winless Phoenix Suns of the last 5 years or so, go right ahead. :toast

I don't even know what this means

[LnGrrrR]

That's exactly it. And that's a big IF at this point in time.

He can't be worse than Ben Wallace. :)

[Stump]

This is a low risk, high reward trade for the Cavs. Good move, though it would have been much more useful back at the trading deadline.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

is there the same hype in Phoenix for Ben Wallace as there is here for Shaq? Is there a line at the team shop for Wallace jerseys?


No....all there is is a group of idiots that still think of Ben Wallace as the Detroit Ben Wallace that talk about how much he'll improve their defense. But I think you know the answer to this question.

[ElNono]

He can't be worse than Ben Wallace. :)

No, but he can be worse than McDyess + RIP Hamilton. Or Rasheed +Prince, etc etc etc

[ElNono]

I don't even know what this means

You seem to be more interested in what the hype is, and how many new jerseys he's going to sell... I'm more intrigued to see what he has left in the tank playing basketball...

[Thunder Dan]

No....all there is is a group of idiots that still think of Ben Wallace as the Detroit Ben Wallace that talk about how much he'll improve their defense. But I think you know the answer to this question.

Ben actually can help your defense. He is still a good defender, but he can only play 20 minutes a game and be affective. The problem is though he might not even want to play anymore.

[Thunder Dan]

You seem to be more interested in what the hype is, and how many new jerseys he's going to sell... I'm more intrigued to see what he has left in the tank playing basketball...

I was busting his balls

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Ben actually can help your defense. He is still a good defender, but he can only play 20 minutes a game and be affective. The problem is though he might not even want to play anymore.


Ben Wallace's one on one post defense is no better than Shaq's these days.

[MateoNeygro]

if the cavs were to be a lottery team it was 2007 when they were starting sasha, larry hughes and daniel gibson at times in the playoffs. Not only did they make the playoffs, but they won the ec. No team with lebron will be a lottery team unless he gets hurt.

agreed!

[MateoNeygro]

I think DHo was only half of the problem. Having two talented, but undersized guards that couldn't defend the perimeter against taller guys like Hedo and Rashard was the other half. And Shaq being able to guard DHo is a big question mark in my mind. It's not clear cut at all.
Let me point out that my disagreement is not that Shaq is an improvement over the departed players. What I contend is that they could have done better with that money.

Very well said.

[stretch]

hey Thunder Dan... is it true that the Cavs are interested in possibly going after T-Mac? I've heard rumors. Just wanted to see what you have heard of in the Cleveland area.

[Double-Up]

Why would Cleveland ever want T-Mac? I don't think the have enough salary to dump for his contract anyways.

[JoeTait75]

Cavaliers still need a PF who can stretch the floor (Sheed, Troy Murphy?) a big wing player, and a backup PG. I haven't heard anything about T-Mac.

[stretch]

gives them a 2 guard with size, defensive ability, scoring ability, passing ability, and he is hungry as anyone to win a title. plus, with Lebron there, his job wont be as physically taxing, and he can play a few less minutes and not have to exert so much. i think he would be perfect over there.

[stretch]

lol imagine if they started next year with a lineup of...

Mo Williams
Tracy McGrady
Lebron James
Rasheed Wallace
Shaquille O'Neal

thats just a clusterfuck of star names. and the thing about that team, is no one at this point in their careers are really greedy for shots. i think they would mesh better than some people would think.

[JoeTait75]

McGrady or not, they need to find a way to take some of the burden off Delonte's shoulders. He was playing 40-plus minutes in the Playoffs because they didn't have another ballhandler aside from him and Mo and he was guarding guys who were 6-7 inches taller than him. Delonte is a warrior, but they were asking a LOT from him.

Best case, they find a taller two and move Delonte to the bench as the sixth man. He'd be a beast in that role.

[JoeTait75]

I doubt Tamia wants to live in purgatory though.

Purgatory is warmer than Cleveland in January.

[Double-Up]

Only problem is T-Mac is not expected to be healthy until February, and he is coming off microfracture surgery. I doubt he could help Cleveland any.

[JamStone]

McGrady or not, they need to find a way to take some of the burden off Delonte's shoulders. He was playing 40-plus minutes in the Playoffs because they didn't have another ballhandler aside from him and Mo and he was guarding guys who were 6-7 inches taller than him. Delonte is a warrior, but they were asking a LOT from him.

Best case, they find a taller two and move Delonte to the bench as the sixth man. He'd be a beast in that role.

So you don't think LeBron is an adequate enough ballhandler?

[JoeTait75]

So you don't think LeBron is an adequate enough ballhandler?

LeBron isn't a point guard.

[ElNono]

Maybe he should be. Hes the best ball handler, passer, and decision maker the Cavs have.

And that includes Mike Brown...

[JoeTait75]

Maybe he should be. Hes the best ball handler, passer, and decision maker the Cavs have.

He's also their best two-guard, small forward, power forward, coach and GM. But he can only do so much at once.

[DDS4]

Ferry was painted in a corner...he HAD to do something or else Lebron walks in 2010. I don't think Shaq makes the Cavs all that much better.

If it wasn't Shaq, it would have been Chandler.

And the Suns, they're fallen into the canyon of irrelevance.

[Thunder Dan]

hey Thunder Dan... is it true that the Cavs are interested in possibly going after T-Mac? I've heard rumors. Just wanted to see what you have heard of in the Cleveland area.

I've heard Charlie V, Jamison and Sheed. Nothing on T-Mac

[sribb43]

Kidd/Lebron/Shaq?

[sook]

T-Mac and Lebron might work at this point in mcgrady's career...because he wouldn't need the ball or score a lot. He would be a distributor , what he does best.


Either way sorry, b.c hopefully we will ship his ass to Phoenix!

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Might make them better, almost certainly won't make them worse. The biggest question right now is if Shaq can come up with some creative way to shit on the Phoenix Suns franchise by the time the Cavs are ready to introduce him at a press conference.

[TheMACHINE]

i'm looking forward to see this whole thing playout. People keeps saying today that Shaq will be motivated. Was he not motivated when he made the first place Suns into a crap team? We'll see...we havent seen Shaq do any good for a team since 2006. This will be a fun year.

[TheMACHINE]

"Mike Brown is the best coach ever"

"Lebron is the best player ever"

Give it 2 months and those words will be said.

[JamStone]

LeBron isn't a point guard.

Delonte technically isn't a point guard either. He's an undersized 2-guard with some PG skills.

The point of your comment was to say Delonte had to play 40+ minutes in playoff games because the Cavs didn't have another ball handler besides him and Mo Williams. That is false. LeBron spends a great deal of time handling the ball and is capable of that. Delonte played 40+ minutes a game in the playoffs because Mike Brown was too stubborn to play Sasha even meager minutes. No, Sasha isn't great and does make mistakes, but he needed to play more and more consistently against Orlando because at 6'8 and 230, he was a decent match-up against Hedo or Rashard. It wasn't because Delonte was a ball handler. It was because Mike Brown was too stubborn to use his bench.

[stretch]

Thats the life of a superstar. If they could persuade Kidd over they are set to win it.

As a Mavericks fan, I have seen the kind of influence that Kidd can have on your team, and its MUCH bigger than the stats shows. After being here for a whole year, the Mavericks went from being one of the lower IQ teams to one of the highest IQ teams in the league. His presence will most definitely make a massive different for the Cavs. A trio of him, Lebron, and Shaq would be scary as hell.

[Allanon]

That's an epic type of retarded.....how the hell does that get them to the lottery?

Bad chemistry. Shaq got the Suns into the lottery.

[layupdrill]

Does Shaq make Cleveland better than a healthy Boston team? No
Better than the Magic ? No

they need wing help, and maybe another vet or two off the bench.

[TheMACHINE]

Bad chemistry. Shaq got the Suns into the lottery.

with a 2 time mvp and all stars by his side.

[Double-Up]

Delonte technically isn't a point guard either. He's an undersized 2-guard with some PG skills.

The point of your comment was to say Delonte had to play 40+ minutes in playoff games because the Cavs didn't have another ball handler besides him and Mo Williams. That is false. LeBron spends a great deal of time handling the ball and is capable of that. Delonte played 40+ minutes a game in the playoffs because Mike Brown was too stubborn to play Sasha even meager minutes. No, Sasha isn't great and does make mistakes, but he needed to play more and more consistently against Orlando because at 6'8 and 230, he was a decent match-up against Hedo or Rashard. It wasn't because Delonte was a ball handler. It was because Mike Brown was too stubborn to use his bench.

Now can Mike Brown handle the ego of Shaq? It seems Shaq only meshes well with big name coaches. We all remember the way Van Gundy left Miami.

[stretch]

"Mike Brown is the best coach ever"

"Lebron is the best player ever"

Give it 2 months and those words will be said.

No cuz Mike Brown is a fuckin idiot. Always has been.

[Thunder Dan]

Does Shaq make Cleveland better than a healthy Boston team? No
Better than the Magic ? No

they need wing help, and maybe another vet or two off the bench.

the Cavs would have beaten a healthy Boston this year

[Spur-Addict]

Laker hate already, fantastic. If they get Sheed or Charlie, the cap will really come off the hate bottle.

[Allanon]

There is no risk at all. They ship off two players that are either done or don't play. And, Shaq's contract is expiring. What's the risk? Now, it might not be a move that puts the Cavs over the top, but it's not a risky move at all.

Shaq's a $20+ million franchise player contract that's skips games, I think they could have done alot better with $20 million. This is a band-aid move.

Shaq's OK with being second fiddle to LeBron but will he play second fiddle to anybody else? If things aren't going well, Shaq will lay out the blame.

Danny Ferry's done two desperation trades now.

Good for the Lakers, good for the Suns, bad for the Cavs.

[JamStone]

Shaq's a $20+ million franchise player contract that's skips games, I think they could have done alot better with $20 million. This is a band-aid move.

Shaq's OK with being second fiddle to LeBron but will he play second fiddle to anybody else? If things aren't going well, Shaq will lay out the blame.

Good for the Lakers, bad for the Cavs.

You have yet to identify the risk. Saying they could have done better doesn't make the move risky. All of what you said could be true, but it carries no risk. They didn't trade away young talent or even a meaningful draft pick. And, if it doesn't work out, Shaq is off the books after the season.

Where's the risky part you stated in your initial post?

[Allanon]

You have yet to identify the risk. Saying they could have done better doesn't make the move risky. All of what you said could be true, but it carries no risk. They didn't trade away young talent or even a meaningful draft pick. And, if it doesn't work out, Shaq is off the books after the season.

Where's the risky part you stated in your initial post?

The risk is bad chemistry. This Cavs team made it to the ECF. There is also risk in missing out on other trades. Cavs are set now, they can't make any more huge moves. They have just paid $20 million to a guy who should be a backup.

If Shaq starts demanding touches, they might hit the lotto.

[TheMACHINE]

Laker hate already, fantastic. If they get Sheed or Charlie, the cap will really come off the hate bottle.

no hate, im just stating the obvious....that shaq is washed up and couldnt even help a team with a 2 time mvp and all stars. Instead of helping, the team turned into the #1 team into the Western Conference to missing the playoffs. Im just laughing at people (Fans and GM's) who think the Big Hypocrisy is the answer to thier problems.

[Thunder Dan]

I don't get how this is a risk. Getting Marbury would be a risk. Going into the season with the same roster as this year would be a risk. How is getting 18ppg a risk? I mean the Cavs won 66 games with basically the same guys they will have next year without Shaq. Shaq could sit out the whole regular season and the Cavs would still have a top 3 seed in the East. I don't understand the risk, and it's not like the Cavs are finished making moves.

[Allanon]

I don't get how this is a risk. Getting Marbury would be a risk. Going into the season with the same roster as this year would be a risk. How is getting 18ppg a risk? I mean the Cavs won 66 games with basically the same guys they will have next year without Shaq. Shaq could sit out the whole regular season and the Cavs would still have a top 3 seed in the East. I don't understand the risk, and it's not like the Cavs are finished making moves.

The risk is bad chemistry. Shaq's a team killer.

Look at the Magic, look at the Lakers, look at the Heat and look at the Suns. He's 4 for 4 in giving the gift of the lotto.

[stretch]

i think getting Chris Bosh would have been a better investment for the Cavs. then again, perhaps they are waiting for 2010.

[stretch]

The risk is bad chemistry. This Cavs team made it to the ECF. There is also risk in missing out on other trades. Cavs are set now, they can't make any more huge moves. They have just paid $20 million to a guy who should be a backup.

If Shaq starts demanding touches, they might hit the lotto.

You're a fucking moron.

[Allanon]

You're a fucking moron.

You're a fucking moron.

[TheMACHINE]

I don't get how this is a risk. Getting Marbury would be a risk. Going into the season with the same roster as this year would be a risk. How is getting 18ppg a risk? I mean the Cavs won 66 games with basically the same guys they will have next year without Shaq. Shaq could sit out the whole regular season and the Cavs would still have a top 3 seed in the East. I don't understand the risk, and it's not like the Cavs are finished making moves.

You're just looking into the positives.

[Thunder Dan]

The risk is bad chemistry. This Cavs team made it to the ECF. There is also risk in missing out on other trades. Cavs are set now, they can't make any more huge moves. They have just paid $20 million to a guy who should be a backup.

If Shaq starts demanding touches, they might hit the lotto.

if there is bad chemistry there is a guy that makes $20,000,000 they can trade as an expiring contract. Better trade bait than the $14,000,000 Ben Wallace was making. How you like that?

[JamStone]

The risk is bad chemistry. This Cavs team made it to the ECF. There is also risk in missing out on other trades. Cavs are set now, they can't make any more huge moves. They have just paid $20 million to a guy who should be a backup.

If Shaq starts demanding touches, they might hit the lotto.

Any move carries a "risk" that the trade will result in chemistry problems. You could say the same thing about possible chemistry issues if the Cavs traded for Dwight Howard but you wouldn't call that a risky move.

And, this trade was about 4 months in the making. They started talking about it midseason. The Cavs were at a point where they had exhausted other trade possibilities. They aren't risking on missing out on other trades because they waited four months trying to make a better trade before making this one.

You're searching for ways to criticize the trade. I agree that it doesn't guarantee anything. It doesn't guarantee a title or even that the Cavs would beat the Celtics or Magic. But, there is no "real" risk in the trade.

[xtremesteven33]

Cavaliers problem is at the 2 spot not so much the 5 spot.

[Thunder Dan]

You're just looking into the positives.

and nobody is making sense with negatives.

[Allanon]

Any move carries a "risk" that the trade will result in chemistry problems. You could say the same thing about possible chemistry issues if the Cavs traded for Dwight Howard but you wouldn't call that a risky move.

And, this trade was about 4 months in the making. They started talking about it midseason. The Cavs were at a point where they had exhausted other trade possibilities. They aren't risking on missing out on other trades because they waited four months trying to make a better trade before making this one.

You're searching for ways to criticize the trade. I agree that it doesn't guarantee anything. It doesn't guarantee a title or even that the Cavs would beat the Celtics or Magic. But, there is no "real" risk in the trade.

Not at all, I'm happy for the Lakers; Cavs won't be a threat. Just tellin' it like it is.

Shaq's 4 for 4 in giving the gift of the lotto...those are overwhelming odds for bad chemistry.

[Thunder Dan]

i think getting Chris Bosh would have been a better investment for the Cavs. then again, perhaps they are waiting for 2010.

that is the Cavs' #1 choice, but the Raptors won't trade him this summer, no way. They want fans for the 2009-10 season

[JamStone]

The risk is bad chemistry. Shaq's a team killer.

Look at the Magic, look at the Lakers, look at the Heat and look at the Suns. He's 4 for 4 in giving the gift of the lotto.

Yes look at the Magic, Lakers, Heat, and Suns. 4 NBA titles, 6 NBA Finals appearances in 17 seasons. I think the City of Cleveland will take Shaq being a cancer and team killer if he helps them win a title.

[TheMACHINE]

Any move carries a "risk" that the trade will result in chemistry problems. You could say the same thing about possible chemistry issues if the Cavs traded for Dwight Howard but you wouldn't call that a risky move.

And, this trade was about 4 months in the making. They started talking about it midseason. The Cavs were at a point where they had exhausted other trade possibilities. They aren't risking on missing out on other trades because they waited four months trying to make a better trade before making this one.

You're searching for ways to criticize the trade. I agree that it doesn't guarantee anything. It doesn't guarantee a title or even that the Cavs would beat the Celtics or Magic. But, there is no "real" risk in the trade.

No real risk? lol. Its Shaq for Gods sake.

[Thunder Dan]

I'm still waiting for the risks other than "chemistry" which the Cavs were #1 in this year and didn't win. Chemistry was the reason the Suns didn't win with Shaq? How about the fact that they didn't play defense, or run a style Shaq was well suited in

[JamStone]

Not at all, I'm happy for the Lakers; Cavs won't be a threat. Just tellin' it like it is.

Shaq's 4 for 4 in giving the gift of the lotto...those are overwhelming odds for bad chemistry.

Three out of the four teams Shaq's been on went to the NBA Finals soon after acquiring him, two out of those three won NBA titles.

If the "gift of the lotto" follows an NBA title, Cavs fans will take it.

[Thunder Dan]

No real risk? lol. Its Shaq for Gods sake.

you still have failed to identify the risk involved. You keep hinting at it, but have not given us the risk. Give me a scenario that in March, the Cavs will have wished they had Ben Wallace playing on their team rather than Shaq.

[TheMACHINE]

and nobody is making sense with negatives.

it may not make sense, but we've seen it happen with Shaq. Anyways, im not gonna spoil your celebration. Congrats.

[cornbread]

The Cavs are at risk of being a championship contender.

[Brazil]

Anyone who thinks this is a bad trade for Cleveland has some serious issues. Congrats on the trade Thunder Dan.

[Allanon]

Yes look at the Magic, Lakers, Heat, and Suns. 4 NBA titles, 6 NBA Finals appearances in 17 seasons. I think the City of Cleveland will take Shaq being a cancer and team killer if he helps them win a title.

Yup 4 titles...the last of which was 3 years ago. He only delivered punchlines and games off in Phoenix.

By the time the Playoffs roll around, Shaq's going to be 38 years old.

[JamStone]

No real risk? lol. Its Shaq for Gods sake.

They gave up Ben Wallace's expiring contract, Sasha Pavlovic, and a middle of the second round draft pick. Shaq on the Cavs might not work, but for what they gave up in return and the fact Shaq's contract is expiring, there was no risk involved.

[Spur-Addict]

no hate, im just stating the obvious....that shaq is washed up and couldnt even help a team with a 2 time mvp and all stars. Instead of helping, the team turned into the #1 team into the Western Conference to missing the playoffs. Im just laughing at people (Fans and GM's) who think the Big Hypocrisy is the answer to thier problems.

You mean, the team with no defense? You mean, the team with two all stars who can't guard anybody? I see.

Shaq didn't turn that team into what it is now. Steve Kerr did.

[stretch]

lol laker fans

[JamStone]

Yup 4 titles...the last of which was 3 years ago. He only delivered punchlines and games off in Phoenix.

By the time the Playoffs roll around, Shaq's going to be 38 years old.

This is where you start changing your argument. You want to go all the way back to Orlando and the Lakers to show how Shaq is a team killer, but you won't even go back 3 years to when he helped a team win a championship.

Listen, I personally don't think Shaq puts the Cavs over the top. I don't even think Shaq helps the Cavs beat a healthy Celtics team. I'm just saying for what they gave up and since Shaq's contract is expiring, there was no risk involved for the Cavs to make this trade.

[ginobili's bald spot]

This is a low risk high reward situation for the Cavs no matter how you slice it. They basically got Shaq for nothing so how could it be a risk? Even if he got hurt or something it's not like they gave anything up to get him and his contract expires at the end of the season so they still have flexibility.