Michael Jackson Dead at 50

[dbreiden83080]

Did you hear he's not going to be cremated since he's mostly plastic? He will be melted down into legos so the kids can play with him for a change.


Michael jackson died of cardiac arrest. Someone should have checked his molesterol levels


Damn I'm bummed I heard he was gonna buy one of the Station Casinos here in Vegas.

The Moles-Station


THE guyrs that were promoting his comeback....did they buy insurance? lmao


I heard he died of food poisoning. He ate some 12 year old nuts.

You guys are seriously fucked in the head...

[manufan10]

Damn I'm bummed I heard he was gonna buy one of the Station Casinos here in Vegas.

The Moles-Station

:lmao

[manufan10]

Breaking news: Michael Jackson's Last Words:

On the way to the hospital Michael Jackson's last words were, "Take me to the children's hospital."

A text from a very reliable source.

[Wild Cobra]

Aren't you dating a whore or some shit?
Oh funny. You don't know shit.

That would be a NO. Must be listening to some pathetic jerk I put on IGNORE.

[DMX7]

Did you hear he's not going to be cremated since he's mostly plastic? He will be melted down into legos so the kids can play with him for a change.

Ultra low class... He died. You want people making fun of you when you die, especially if its under such sad circumstances?

[manufan10]

Ultra low class... He died. You want people making fun of you when you die, especially if its under such sad circumstances?

Yes. I want people to be happy, and remember me for the good times. Not the pain or suffering of me when I died. :tu

[DMX7]

What an amazing performer that man was. :(

Looking at his lifestyle, he was obviously somebody who was trying to get back the childhood he was robbed of by his sonofabitch father, but I don't believe he went so far as to molest children to accomplish that goal.

RIP Michael.

RIP Michael.

I was always kind of annoyed by his antics but I had such a huge appreciation for him growing up. Loved some of his hits and this is just really sad.

You will be missed, Michael, the absolute King of Pop.

[Spurtacus]

Did you hear he's not going to be cremated since he's mostly plastic? He will be melted down into legos so the kids can play with him for a change.

Burn in hell asshole.

[dbreiden83080]

Breaking news:manufan10 is a flaming faggot and Manu turned him down..

:toast

[dirk4mvp]

Some of you idiots are going to wake up one morning and not be able to move from the waist down. I will lol.

[manufan10]

:toast

:lol

[dbreiden83080]

Some of you idiots are going to wake up one morning and not be able to move from the waist down. I will lol.

Your Dick will start working the day Dirk wins it all. Better cancel all your porno's you got on pre-order..

[manufan10]

Some of you idiots are going to wake up one morning and not be able to move from the waist down. I will lol.

Damn, it's already starting. Oh, no my legs just asleep. :lol

[dbreiden83080]

:lol

:wgaf:

[dirk4mvp]

Your Dick will start working the day Dirk wins it all. Better cancel all your porno's you got on pre-order..

Damn dude, cutting edge, witty, hardcore. How did you come up with that gem?

[manufan10]

:wgaf:

:wakeup

[dbreiden83080]

:wakeup

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[manufan10]

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:wgaf:

[Fernando TD21]

R.I.P. King of pop. :cry He was one of the first singers I listened to when I started listening to music.

[manufan10]

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[manufan10]

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[manufan10]

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[manufan10]

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/hiphopmediatraining__2/hiphopmediatraining-263878157-1245974195.jpg?ym0KaeBDNM.HiEsM

[manufan10]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/25/michael.jackson/mj.t1.getty.5.jpg

[manufan10]

A bus full of tourists thought they were driving up a fancy street to look at Michael Jackson's front gate. Instead, they witnessed the last moments of Michael Jackson's life.

Thirteen stunned people aboard a Starline Tours bus saw the King of Pop being whisked to the hospital, in full cardiac arrest. You hear the tour guide cryptically say, "This is Michael Jackson's estate, everyone. So we'll find out later in the news what happened."


http://www.tmz.com/videos?########=true&mediaKey=a9fb2e65-bf09-4467-8822-fa3ef6573bd3

[manufan10]

TMZ is reporting that an autopsy will be performed tomorrow.

[fotan2]

R.I.P.

he was THE super star, although i dont have special feeling about him..

[boutons_deux]

RIP Michael.

http://rookery2.viary.com/storagev12/731500/731747_4652_625x1000.jpg

Even his pick has a rhinoplasty

[Happy Devil]

TMZ oughtta be blown up to high heaven if they reported him dead and now have to put their tails between their legs and retract.

Very CBS news esque.


I am with Tpark on this one. People who lie should be held accountable.

http://www.norgeforge.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/bush-and-wmd.jpg

[Rapper]

I'll always miss you

the king of pop

[EricB]

Is that true what I heard tonight that he gave himself the name "king of pop"

Seriously?

[duncan228]

Is that true what I heard tonight that he gave himself the name "king of pop"

Seriously?

Yes.

[mavs>spurs2]

All you faggots talking shit about Michael and cracking jokes seriously need to fuck off. None of you can prove he's guilty of anything, which I'm willing to bet he isn't, and only God can judge him now. Some of you people need to do a lot of learning and growing up to even be on your way to becoming human beings.

RIP Michael

[InK]

He was a fucked up person, but may he rest in peace now. God knows he had none of that in the last 30 years.

[Bukefal]

http://l.yimg.com/k/im_siggVOsIgymlSBFRCLYGChkJdg---y526-x595-q75-n1/omg/us/img/7b/ef/2196471462_5201363224.jpg

Come on, is this serious?! :wakeup Its looks like a scene of 3 hours before the whole world is going to explode, and people feel the need to pray. Lol, but its about a pedophile plastic pop star who died. overreacting a bit no?

[sonic21]

All you faggots talking shit about Michael and cracking jokes seriously need to fuck off. None of you can prove he's guilty of anything, which I'm willing to bet he isn't, and only God can judge him now. Some of you people need to do a lot of learning and growing up to even be on your way to becoming human beings.

RIP Michael

:tu

[sonic21]

i regret never having the chance to go to any of his shows. in his prime, he was probably the greatest entertainer on earth

[Heath Ledger]

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Idiots, thats not even Michaels star, thats a local dj named Michael Jacksons star, Michaels star is in front of Gramans Chinese theater and is inaccessible right now due to construction.

http://pacificcoastnewsonline.celebuzz.com/2009/06/michael-jackson-walk-of-fame-s.html

[SpursStalker]

You all amaze me ...

[TDMVPDPOY]

would you say his whole career and charitable contribution over the years has been tainted cause of his pedo bear part time job? Ppl would just look back at the time when he was a pedobear, but ignore his contribution and creating awareness about in the 80-90s,

[florige]

Wow, shocking to hear Michael Jackson died. Not a good day in hollywood...first Farah Fawcett, not Michael.

RIP. Before he became a freak, Michael Jackson did some really great things and completely turned around pop music. Ne-yo, Chris Brown, JT, and all these young wanna be male pop-artists have Jackson to thank for.



None of those guys can come close to the stardom Jackson had. The closest imo probably could have been Usher. He looked like a Jackson clone when he danced.

[Taco]

R.I.P. :depressed

[TDMVPDPOY]

Mj had 300m in debt, umm he still owns the beatles catalogue right? which is probably worth nothing these days due to internet sharing.....

[JudynTX]

:depressed I got teary eyed when Jermaine gave us his statement.

RIP Music Legend! You will be greatly missed by thousands of fans from around the WORLD.

King of Pop! :toast

[MannyIsGod]

Man fuck this shit. I loved MJ's music. I grew up on that shit. I went through 3 copies of thriller on tape because I played it so much.

But I hate all this fake bullshit where people act sad that he's gone. Over the past 15-20 years rarely did you see good news about this man. The news were always running some story about how fucked up this guy was and people were always asking "what happened to Michael?".

But now every news network is covering this like it was the death of the Pope and every person I see is so sad this happened. (I admit I'm posting this before reading this thread so maybe some of you aren't) and its fake and its annoying. I'll be happy when this bullshit is off TV but I'm sure the networks will milk it all weekend long.

[CosmicCowboy]

All you faggots talking shit about Michael and cracking jokes seriously need to fuck off. None of you can prove he's guilty of anything, which I'm willing to bet he isn't, and only God can judge him now. Some of you people need to do a lot of learning and growing up to even be on your way to becoming human beings.

RIP Michael

yeah right. He didn't pay that family 22 million to keep the boy from testifying just because he was a nice guy.

[Heath Ledger]

Very strange, at first it was no big deal to me. I even chimed in with my own jokes after a few people posted some. But then I watched a few youtube videos of him and it hit some kind of nerve from my childhood, I started balling remembering how much in awe of him I was as an 8 or 9 year old kid when Thriller came out. How I used to run around wearing the vinyl thriller jacket and beat it jacket. All of a sudden I didn't really find anything about his death funny any more.

No matter what kind of weird freakshow shit he had going on in his personal life you can't deny that in his prime he was truly a superstar like we have only seen with maybe Elvis. His music will live on forever whether you label him as a sideshow freak, pedophile or whatever. Im officially done with any MJ jokes. RIP MJ.

[JudynTX]

Did he ever tour in San Antonio?

[BacktoBasics]

But then I watched a few youtube videos of him and it hit some kind of nerve from my childhood, I started balling :lmao

[Heath Ledger]

In MJ's honor today I am going to wear a single white glove.

[Sportcamper]

I think this is all a big hoax…He was seen in Carson City Nevada buying gas just last night…

[SA210]

This is so messed up and sad. I still have my jacket from Beat It at my mom's house. I wore it every year grades 1-5. I'm not even kidding, the whole outfit, jacket, black pants, shirt and shoes, every year in elementary and I didn't care what anyone said.

I had a messed up abused childhood, but the first and only record my mom ever got me was Thriller, the vinyl along with the tape. I still have them.

He was the greatest, he knew what he wanted in his videos, he was the video God. You don't have that anymore. Everything he did, he worked hard on. Every video was epic, it was a movie...

His videos were events, everyone waited for the premiere of the vid on primetime television, sat down with their families, just waiting for greatness.

There will never be anyone like him again. All these pop stars wouldn't be here if it weren't for him. All these dances and dance routines, where do you think they all came from? Everyone thinks they are an entertainer these days.

Michael was reallllly an entertainer. The productions, the shows he put on on stage. Hit after hit, he gave and gave. The crowds he got across the world, people fainting...

Man in the Mirror was a song about making a change in this world, but starting wth yourself. I always wanted to meet him. I will miss him.

:depressed

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[CosmicCowboy]

ackson settlement from 1993 allegations topped $20 million

By Rochelle Steinhaus
Court TV
Wednesday, June 16, 2004 Posted: 9:58 AM EDT (1358 GMT)


(Court TV) -- Michael Jackson paid out approximately $25 million to settle a civil suit by a boy who accused him of molesting him in 1993, according to the confidential agreement which was exclusively obtained by Court TV's Diane Dimond.

The pop star, according to the agreement, maintained the settlement did not signify an admission of any wrongdoing against the boy or his parents.

Jackson "specifically disclaims any liability to, and denies any wrongful acts," according to the 31-page document he signed on January 25, 1994.

The terms of the settlement have been kept tightly under wraps for a decade, but were exclusively uncovered by Court TV.

Jackson agreed to pay $15,331,250 to be held in a trust fund for the accuser, now 24, as well as $1.5 million to each of his parents. The accuser may have also received another seven-figure payment not specified in the agreement. Additionally, the plaintiff's lawyer was slated to receive $5 million.

In exchange, the accuser and his parents agreed to not pursue civil claims against Jackson.

The agreement could play a role in the current criminal charges Jackson faces stemming from allegations by another California boy who accused him of molestation.

In April, he was indicted on 10 criminal counts, alleging 28 acts involving child abduction, false imprisonment and extortion.

Evidence of the 1993 accusations could be admitted as evidence of prior criminal behavior against Jackson in his current case ? but only if the now-adult accuser is willing to testify.

In December 1993, the boy outlined his accusations in a sworn declaration, recounting his year-long friendship with the King of Pop.

According to the account, he met Jackson in May 1992 at the rental car business where his stepfather worked and where Jackson was renting a car.

The introduction led to several trips to Jackson's Neverland ranch, where the boy claimed he played video games, rode golf carts ? and slept in the same bed with Jackson.

He and his family also took trips with Jackson to Florida, New York, Las Vegas and Europe, according to the statement.

"During our relationship Michael Jackson had sexual contact with me on many occasions," the statement alleges.

He accused Jackson of open-mouth kissing, fondling and oral sex.

His contact with Jackson ended, he said, when he went to live with his father in July 1993.

Two months later, they filed a civil suit in Los Angeles Superior Court, asking for unspecified damages for sexual battery, seduction, willful misconduct, intentional infliction of emotional distress, fraud and negligence.

The settlement agreement stipulated that the accuser and his parents were dropping all claims except that of negligence at the time of signing the document, with the caveat that once the money was received that claim would not be pursued.

Eight pages of the document addressing the payment arrangements were not disclosed. It is unknown whether Jackson paid the settlement from his own pocket or if it was funded by his insurance company.

[MB20]

RIP MJ

You were great in the 80s! And the best dancer I´ve ever seen.:toast

[BacktoBasics]

The important thing to note is that a true measure of greatness is about marketability, nostalgia and entertainment. Not the real value of the individual on a personal level. Thanks for everything penis petter.

[Bukefal]

I think this is all a big hoax…He was seen in Carson City Nevada buying gas just last night…

:lmao

[Bukefal]

But I hate all this fake bullshit where people act sad that he's gone.

But now every news network is covering this like it was the death of the Pope and every person I see is so sad this happened. (I admit I'm posting this before reading this thread so maybe some of you aren't) and its fake and its annoying. I'll be happy when this bullshit is off TV but I'm sure the networks will milk it all weekend long.

Amen. Exactly!

[Strike]

Bummer. He made the greatest dance music of all time in my opinion. He's was a weird dude but he helped me score a lot of chicks back in the day. :depressed

The King Of Pop and GHB = one hell of a combination.

[whottt]

I don't think he was a pedophile, I think he hated the idea of being an adult and growing up.


One thing is for sure, if he was a pedo, the reason he didn't serve any jail time over it is because the families of those kids took money over justice for their children.


What does that say about them? They were motivated by greed.

If he was a pedophile, those families had no problems leaving him free to do it to others, so long as they got paid.


PRetty obviously greed was their motivation.



As for why he paid them off..20 million was nothing to him.


I don't know and I don't think anyone else does either...but the one thing no one can argue about is that his accusers were looking for money over anything else.

[clambake]

I don't think he was a pedophile, I think he hated the idea of being an adult and growing up.


One thing is for sure, if he was a pedo, the reason he didn't serve any jail time over it is because the families of those kids took money over justice for their children.


What does that say about them? They were motivated by greed.

If he was a pedophile, those families had no problems leaving him free to do it to others, so long as they got paid.


PRetty obviously greed was their motivation.



As for why he paid them off..20 million was nothing to him.


I don't know and I don't think anyone else does either...but the one thing no one can argue about is that his accusers were looking for money over anything else.

you are dead on with this. :toast

[SA210]

+1 whottt

[florige]

I don't think he was a pedophile, I think he hated the idea of being an adult and growing up.


One thing is for sure, if he was a pedo, the reason he didn't serve any jail time over it is because the families of those kids took money over justice for their children.


What does that say about them? They were motivated by greed.

If he was a pedophile, those families had no problems leaving him free to do it to others, so long as they got paid.


PRetty obviously greed was their motivation.



As for why he paid them off..20 million was nothing to him.


I don't know and I don't think anyone else does either...but the one thing no one can argue about is that his accusers were looking for money over anything else.



I totally understand that. But if I were innocent I would play whatever I could to clear my name. I mean think about it, if he didn't have that child molestation stuff always associated with his name he would pretty much have no tarnishments. Like I said, me personally I would go to my grave trying to clear my name of those charges IF I didn;t so it. Even though 20mil isn;t nothing to him, it does make him look guilty.

[TDMVPDPOY]

I totally understand that. But if I were innocent I would play whatever I could to clear my name. I mean think about it, if he didn't have that child molestation stuff always associated with his name he would pretty much have no tarnishments. Like I said, me personally I would go to my grave trying to clear my name of those charges IF I didn;t so it. Even though 20mil isn;t nothing to him, it does make him look guilty.

seriously wtf is going to judge him?

let god decide that now

should just let him RIP.

[whottt]

I totally understand that. But if I were innocent I would play whatever I could to clear my name. I mean think about it, if he didn't have that child molestation stuff always associated with his name he would pretty much have no tarnishments. Like I said, me personally I would go to my grave trying to clear my name of those charges IF I didn;t so it. Even though 20mil isn;t nothing to him, it does make him look guilty.

That's just it, he did clear his name, his name is clear because of the fact that he was never convicted of anything, and the reason is because his accusers dropped their accusations.


Didn't stop the accusations.

And nothing he could have done ever would.


An accusation like that never goes away, there was no way he could ever truly clear his name again, so maybe he just wanted the problem to go away.

Bottom line is that those families were seeking money, and that's what they got.




Let me turn it around, if your child we molested...would you take compensation over justice?

Basically turning your child into a whore in the process?


The ethics of his accusers are far more questionable than those of MJ, once you remove the molestation accusations from the equation.

One you see their motivations for what they were, a money grab, there is plenty of reason to doubt the accusations...due to their own actions.

[whottt]

If someone ever molested my child, I would be the one in prison, because they would be dead. That is not something 20 million resolves, unless you are more of a pimp than a parent.



Any questions or lack of justice over this are due to the greed of the accusers. So since you can see greed is their motivation...


I mean if they were willing to take payment for their child being molested, then they are pretty obviously the sort of people that would lie about the entire thing in the first place.

I mean taking money over your child actually being molested is far worse than just trying to get money by saying he was molested.

[phyzik]

I never was the biggest fan of Michael but his performance during one of the award shows (forgot which one) of Billie Jean was perhaps the greatest performances I ever saw from him. The moonwalk was done flawlessly and no one has ever been able to do it THAT good since, not even Michael himself. The Pop locking part was pretty friggin sweet too.

Say what you will about the man, but the performer was a fucking dance machine.

s7MmEMrCRfc

[florige]

That's just it, he did clear his name, his name is clear because of the fact that he was never convicted of anything, and the reason is because his accusers dropped their accusations.


Didn't stop the accusations.

And nothing he could have done ever would.


An accusation like that never goes away, there was no way he could ever truly clear his name again, so maybe he just wanted the problem to go away.

Bottom line is that those families were seeking money, and that's what they got.




Let me turn it around, if your child we molested...would you take compensation over justice?

Basically turning your child into a whore in the process?


The ethics of his accusers are far more questionable than those of MJ, once you remove the molestation accusations from the equation.

One you see their motivations for what they were, a money grab, there is plenty of reason to doubt the accusations...due to their own actions.





I see your point totally Whottt. So if you were in MJ's shoes you would had just went ahead and paid them off just so the whole mess could be out of your hair?

[CosmicCowboy]

I don't think he was a pedophile, I think he hated the idea of being an adult and growing up.


One thing is for sure, if he was a pedo, the reason he didn't serve any jail time over it is because the families of those kids took money over justice for their children.


What does that say about them? They were motivated by greed.

If he was a pedophile, those families had no problems leaving him free to do it to others, so long as they got paid.


PRetty obviously greed was their motivation.



As for why he paid them off..20 million was nothing to him.


I don't know and I don't think anyone else does either...but the one thing no one can argue about is that his accusers were looking for money over anything else.

What about the "identifying feature" on his pecker the kid told the cops about and the police got the warrant to check and confirmed? I'm not saying that the parents weren't scum, but he clearly paid them off and bought the kids silence.

[CosmicCowboy]

The Telltale Splotch
Photos of Jackson's body confirmed '93 claims

JANUARY 6--As search warrants go, you won't find one more intrusive than the one executed on Michael Jackson's, um, person in 1993. And the results of that intimate Kodak moment from a decade ago could resurface in the performer's upcoming molestation trial.

A detailed recounting of the criminal probe of Jackson is contained in sealed documents reviewed by TSG. An affidavit from former Santa Barbara Sheriff's Department deputy Deborah Linden was filed in 1993 to secure court permission to photograph Jackson's private parts. Investigators sought the images in a bid to corroborate allegations made by 13-year-old Jordan Chandler. The boy told police that Jackson frequently masturbated him, adding that he could provide a detailed description of the star's penis as a way of proving the pair had been intimate.

According to the Linden affidavit, Chandler told police that Jackson justified the illicit acts by saying, "it was okay and natural because other friends had done this" with him. The singer, then in his mid-30s, also allegedly told the boy that, "masturbation is a wonderful thing." The celebrity also told Chandler that if he ever spoke about the incidents, he would be "placed in Juvenile Hall," and they both would get in trouble.

The document also describes a confrontation between Jackson and Chandler's father Evan, who suspected that the performer may have been assaulting his son during sleepovers. The elder Chandler tracked Jackson down to his "hideaway apartment" in Los Angeles.

The boy's father asked Jackson, "Are you fucking my kid?"

The entertainer "became very upset" and told Chandler that he did not use that word. Linden notes that the singer did not answer the question or deny the allegation.

With Los Angeles Police Department detectives weighing his claims, Chandler gave them a roadmap to Jackson's below-the-waist geography, which, he said, includes distinctive "splotches" on his buttocks and one on his penis, "which is a light color similar to the color of his face." The boy's information was so precise, he even pinpointed where the splotch fell while Jackson's penis was erect, the length of the performer's pubic hair, and that he was circumcised.

It wasn't long after law enforcement's photo session that Jackson agreed to settle Chandler's civil claim for north of $20 million.

In a recent sealed affidavit, Tom Sneddon is quoted as saying that Chandler's pre-search description (and a drawing) "corroborated" photos taken of Jackson and observations made by officers who examined the body of evidence.

In light of Sneddon's proclivity for hardball tactics, perhaps it shouldn't be a surprise if he tries to have those old images finally admitted into evidence. We're pretty sure Jackson would oppose that, though he did tell Chandler years ago that he was "proud of his coloration" and thought he "looked like Pan."

[Wild Cobra]

I think this is all a big hoax…He was seen in Carson City Nevada buying gas just last night…
See people, I told you. It already started. There will be MJ sightings for years to come, like Elvis. Post #234:

No, he's dead. Too many news outlets reporting it.

Correction...

He's as dead as Elvis. There will be those claiming to see him for centuries to come.

[whottt]

What about the "identifying feature" on his pecker the kid told the cops about and the police got the warrant to check and confirmed? I'm not saying that the parents weren't scum, but he clearly paid them off and bought the kids silence.

Sounds like an ironclad case to me...so why didn't Jackson go to prison over it?

[CosmicCowboy]

Sounds like an ironclad case to me...so why didn't Jackson go to prison over it?

The star witness wouldn't testify.

[Wild Cobra]

I totally understand that. But if I were innocent I would play whatever I could to clear my name. I mean think about it, if he didn't have that child molestation stuff always associated with his name he would pretty much have no tarnishments. Like I said, me personally I would go to my grave trying to clear my name of those charges IF I didn;t so it. Even though 20mil isn;t nothing to him, it does make him look guilty.
Yep, this is the only proper way to do it. The payoffs are why I contend he is guilty more than any thing else.

[Wild Cobra]

That's just it, he did clear his name, his name is clear because of the fact that he was never convicted of anything, and the reason is because his accusers dropped their accusations.
They good cases dropped the lawsuits because they were paid off. I'm real confident he would have been found guilty is one or two of the payoff cases went to court.

[SA210]

s7MmEMrCRfc


The greatest of all time.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

The star witness wouldn't testify.

The other kid he paid off was going to testify as well. He didn't want to be the only one and was only going to testify if the accuser testified.

[Wild Cobra]

Sounds like an ironclad case to me...so why didn't Jackson go to prison over it?
It's called MONEY!

[CosmicCowboy]

Instead of trying to clear his name he skipped to Bahrain where he could diddle all the little boys he wanted.

[ElMuerto]

MJ is still the King of Pop. :tu He is putting on one hell of a show.

[tp2021]

I never was the biggest fan of Michael but his performance during one of the award shows (forgot which one) of Billie Jean was perhaps the greatest performances I ever saw from him. The moonwalk was done flawlessly and no one has ever been able to do it THAT good since, not even Michael himself. The Pop locking part was pretty friggin sweet too.

Say what you will about the man, but the performer was a fucking dance machine.

s7MmEMrCRfc

Great fucking video. Thanks for sharing.

[Heath Ledger]

That's just it, he did clear his name, his name is clear because of the fact that he was never convicted of anything, and the reason is because his accusers dropped their accusations.


Didn't stop the accusations.

And nothing he could have done ever would.


An accusation like that never goes away, there was no way he could ever truly clear his name again, so maybe he just wanted the problem to go away.

Bottom line is that those families were seeking money, and that's what they got.




Let me turn it around, if your child we molested...would you take compensation over justice?

Basically turning your child into a whore in the process?


The ethics of his accusers are far more questionable than those of MJ, once you remove the molestation accusations from the equation.

One you see their motivations for what they were, a money grab, there is plenty of reason to doubt the accusations...due to their own actions.

Michael at the time had a team of high powered lawyers who advised him to settle because they knew his ass was grass in a court of law. Period. You can say he cleared his name all you want but he didn't in the eyes of millions and millions of people and fans. His bribe was not an admission of guilt but it sure the hell did not make him look innocent. Period.

[whottt]

They good cases dropped the lawsuits because they were paid off. I'm real confident he would have been found guilty is one or two of the payoff cases went to court.

But they could have sent him to prison and sued him for damages.

In fact, in would have been pretty easy to do just that.

I see nothing to prove that greed wasn't the total motivation behind those accusations.

And the reason there is plenty of reason to doubt lies 100% at the feet of the accusers.


I mean that's the obvious thing in all of this...

That's why there was no conviction.
That's why there is plenty of reason left to doubt.

[whottt]

Instead of trying to clear his name he skipped to Bahrain where he could diddle all the little boys he wanted.

He had hte money to diddle all the boys he wanted right here in the states.

I mean if he really wanted to molest children he had the money to do it and never be caught doing it.

[DoubtingThomas]

But they could have sent him to prison and sued him for damages.

In fact, in would have been pretty easy to do just that.

I see nothing to prove that greed wasn't the total motivation behind those accusations.

And the reason there is plenty of reason to doubt lies 100% at the feet of the accusers.


I mean that's the obvious thing in all of this...

That's why there was no conviction.
That's why there is plenty of reason left to doubt.

+1 I have serious doubts myself.

[whottt]

It's called MONEY!

So if money is reason is enough to let your childs molester go free...


Why isn't it reason enough to lie about the molestation in the first place?


It's worse to take the money if your child actually was molested than it is to lie about it.

[Heath Ledger]

Whott quit drinking the fucking Jesus Juice. You just can't stomach that your Idol was a pedophile. Period. 2+2=4 not 3. Why do you think his lawyers told him to settle? Just to make this go away or because they thought he would be going to Prison. You do the math.

[Heath Ledger]

Lol. The family didn't say if you give us money we won't testify, Michael said I'll give you money if you don't testify. Guilty. This guy was a freak. Daddy allegedly molested him when he was a young boy. The apple does not fall far from the tree.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

ok. theorizing, or whining for some people **cough** person **ending the cough**, about jacko's death. i think he went out a la anna nicole. either intentional or unintentional. right now i'm leaning towards intentional. it just played out a little too similar to anna nicole.

[whottt]

And I'm sorry but body iding isn't conclusive.

When I was in daycare we used to go swimming at the public pool and the boys would all change in the lockerroom together and so would the guy in charge of us.


I never thought anything about it in my entire life until just now in this discussion.



It's funny to think that guy could be accused of being a pedophile.

[attyjackiechiles]

Whott quit drinking the fucking Jesus Juice. You just can't stomach that your Idol was a pedophile. Period. 2+2=4 not 3. Why do you think his lawyers told him to settle? Just to make this go away or because they thought he would be going to Prison. You do the math.

I've suggested my clients settle on many occasions and not always due to guilt. Some of your view points are preposterous, scandalous, outrageous!!

[clambake]

i HIGHLY doubt that he's Whottt's idol.

and 20 million in hopes of this going away amounted close to nothing at the time.

[BacktoBasics]

I'm not sure what part of identifying key points on his private parts followed by huge settlement leaves doubts. It wasn't until they started exploring his junk did wallets started opening. As far as most people with common sense are concerned there is little doubt as to whether or not he was guilty of something. There will always be questions as to how far it went but little to no doubt that something inappropriate took place...not just once and not just with one person but many times and with many kids.

[BacktoBasics]

And I'm sorry but body iding isn't conclusive.

When I was in daycare we used to go swimming at the public pool and the boys would all change in the lockerroom together and so would the guy in charge of us.


I never thought anything about it in my entire life until just now in this discussion.



It's funny to think that guy could be accused of being a pedophile.There's a sizable difference between the locker room at a public pool and under the sheets of his magical bed at Neverland.

[whottt]

Whott quit drinking the fucking Jesus Juice. You just can't stomach that your Idol was a pedophile. Period. 2+2=4 not 3. Why do you think his lawyers told him to settle? Just to make this go away or because they thought he would be going to Prison. You do the math.

#1. He's not my idol. I think he's a freak. My appreciation for Michael Jackson's music ends at Off the Wall and probably before that.


#2. The reason questions remain is due to the failure of the accusers.


I don't care what you say, they aren't conducing themselves like people whose children were actually molested.


And if their kids actually were molested, those parents should lose custody of their children.


#1. For letting their minor children stay with a grown man where they couldn't superivse them.

#2. For being bought off.



And I'm sorry, but they could have convicted him AND sued for damages. In fact, it would have been an ironclad case once they got the conviction and they could have conceivably named their price.

[Thunder Dan]

I watched that Interview he did last night on ABC, and upon watching it again it became clear that Jackson was weird as hell, but I got the feeling that he didn't molest that kid. The kid that ended up accusing him of molestation was interviewed during the famous part of the interview where he spoke about letting him sleep in his bed. As creepy as it sounded, it was made clear by both that Michael didn't sleep with him. It still sounded very creepy and I'm sure the boy's parents noticed and now saw a huge payday. That's all they wanted. They didn't want to win a case vs. him because they knew it was bullshit. They had him guilty in the public eye with this interview and that was enough to get them a payday. I think Mike was a weird dude, but I'm not going to assume he was a pedophile

[Heath Ledger]

Not to mention MJ had a fondness for having little boys sleep in bed with him, not girls. It's no secret this cat was coo coo for cocoa puffs. There has been long lasting allegations that Michael was molested when he was a kid by his father.

Your defense of Michael is ultra slim. It does not matter that Michael had boatloads of money at the time, it has nothing to do with the fact that he quickly made the offer after they knew exactly what kind of incriminating evidence/testimony they had against him. His lawyers knew his ass was gonna get thrown in prison for a long time if they didn't pay to make this go away.

The kid also testified about looking at porno mags with Michael which they found in his home during the investigation. How much more of this kids story do you need to add up to see Michael was guilty?

[whottt]

There's a sizable difference between the locker room at a public pool and under the sheets of his magical bed at Neverland.

And thanks to the parents whoring their children out, we'll never know for sure.


I hope you finde defenders of justice understand that the first rule of it, at least as it pertains to American justice, is innocent until proven guilty.


There is nothing ironclad about the accusations against Jackson, they are all circumstantial, and the only questionable ethics in this entire thing are on the side of the accusers.

We know they were in it for the money...beyond all doubt, it was the most important thing to them, and their actions bear this out.


So rather than railing against me...why don't you go after the parents that whored their children out to a pedophile?

[SpursStalker]

This thread is like beating a dead horse

[CosmicCowboy]

And I'm sorry, but they could have convicted him AND sued for damages. In fact, it would have been an ironclad case once they got the conviction and they could have conceivably named their price.

Not necessarily. It would have come down to a jury deciding how much and as fucked up as that family was the jury would not have been particularly sympathetic. Taking the 25 million not to testify was the safe play.

[Heath Ledger]

MJ also paid off another family regarding some allegations.

Jason Francia (born May 30, 1980) is the son of Jackson's former maid Blanca Francia, who moved from El Salvador to the US in 1975. She worked for Jackson in the period 1986–1991 at the Jackson family home in Encino, Los Angeles, at Jackson's Century City, Los Angeles apartment called "The Hideout," and at Neverland. She often brought Jason along to her work. Jason was a friend of Jackson in the period 1987–1991, when he was 7–10 years old. Jason claimed Jackson touched his crotch twice over his shorts, and once touched his testicles from under his shorts, on each of these three occasions for a few minutes during a tickling game. On the first two occasions he received $100 each for not telling his mother. In 1996 Jackson paid the family $2,000,000 to settle the case. Blanca Francia also received $20,000 for a TV interview, which Jason claimed to have no knowledge of the amount. She testified too, in spite of the settlement. She did not see sexual activity, just an occasion where Jackson and Jason were lying together partly on, partly in a sleeping bag

[mavs>spurs2]

yeah right. He didn't pay that family 22 million to keep the boy from testifying just because he was a nice guy.

If someone ever molested my child, they wouldn't be able to buy me off. I'd want to make sure that POS was behind bars. They were after the money dude, and they happily took it.

[whottt]

Not necessarily. It would have come down to a jury deciding how much and as fucked up as that family was the would not have been particularly sympathetic.


They seem sympathetic enough to you and Wild Cobra.




Taking the 25 million not to testify was the safe play.


Allow your childs molester to walk free and do it to the other children is called, a "safe play"?


Fact is, Jackson is pretty obviously had some hangups, I mean pretty obviously he wanted to stay a kid...and was stuck in childhood of sorts.

There is nothing about the accusations that couldn't also be explained by that hangup...it's just as conceivable those kids spied in Jackson.


And the reason we are debating this is because the family of those kids chose profit over justice. Their actions leave plenty of reason to doubt, no matter what the lynch mob might think.

[Heath Ledger]

Heres some more damaging evidence.

Jurors in Michael Jackson's child sex trial were shown a pornographic magazine containing the fingerprints of both the pop star and his young accuser.
Retired detective and fingerprint expert Robert Spinner yesterday told Santa Maria Court, California, he had also identified 15-year-old Gavin Arvizo's fingerprints on a different magazine and a sexually explicit calendar.
His brother Star's prints were also found on one magazine.
Jackson's defence team claims the singer and Arvizo never looked at such magazines together.
It claims the material was marked when it was presented as grand jury evidence last year or when Jackson caught the boys looking at his private collection and snatched it from them.

[whottt]

If someone ever molested my child, they wouldn't be able to buy me off. I'd want to make sure that POS was behind bars. They were after the money dude, and they happily took it.

Exactly...

If someone "fucked" my kid, I wouldn't even call the cops. I'd kill them. Plain and simple, they would be dead.

Swear to god.

And under no circumstances would I ever take any sort of money from the molester of my child. Especially if i was to let him walk free.

[Heath Ledger]

If someone ever molested my child, they wouldn't be able to buy me off. I'd want to make sure that POS was behind bars. They were after the money dude, and they happily took it.

After the money? Michael went to them with the offer dipshit. When you are lower class or lower middle class and you are offered an ungodly amount of money and you can spare your child the trauma of having to testify in court on such an incident, you may consider taking the money and running as well.

They did not blackmail Michael. As the evidence mounted up Michael and his defense team panicked and forwarded the offer to the family.

[CosmicCowboy]

Whott, don't get me wrong. If it had been my kid that pedophile scumbag would have been dead.

[mavs>spurs2]

Heres some more damaging evidence.

Jurors in Michael Jackson's child sex trial were shown a pornographic magazine containing the fingerprints of both the pop star and his young accuser.
Retired detective and fingerprint expert Robert Spinner yesterday told Santa Maria Court, California, he had also identified 15-year-old Gavin Arvizo's fingerprints on a different magazine and a sexually explicit calendar.
His brother Star's prints were also found on one magazine.
Jackson's defence team claims the singer and Arvizo never looked at such magazines together.
It claims the material was marked when it was presented as grand jury evidence last year or when Jackson caught the boys looking at his private collection and snatched it from them.

Yeah when I was 10 or 12 me and my friends would also get into their dad's stash. What's your point? That's about the age when little boys start wanting to see boobies

[whottt]

After the money? Michael went to them with the offer dipshit. When you are lower class or lower middle class and you are offered an ungodly amount of money and you can spare your child the trauma of having to testify in court on such an incident, you may consider taking the money and running as well.

They did not blackmail Michael. As the evidence mounted up Michael and his defense team panicked and forwarded the offer to the family.



That's bullshit about your class status being justification for accepting the money.


Under absolutely no circumstances is that ever acceptable. I don't care if you are fucking homeless.


Not only do you fail your kids, but you also fail society.




You can't excuse these parents whoring their kids out then turn around and act like they are fine upstanding citizens whose movitations are beyond question. When they are obviously motivated by money, even by your own admission. Beyond question money was a factor in this, in the outcome, in eveyr part of it.



If they are kind of people that would whore their kids out, they are also the kind of people that would lie about it in the first place. In fact whoring their kids out is worse than lying about it in the first place.

Lying about it is simple greed, not lying about it and accepting the money makes them the pimp of their own children.


Either way...there is AMPLE reason to doubt the ethics of the accusers, if only because they are beyond all doubt willing to be bought off, and their class status has nothing to do with it, and isn't an excuse.

It's usally the rich people that care more about money than the poor, that's usually why the rich are rich and the poor are poor.

[Heath Ledger]

The more important fact is that they did not want their child to endure a trial in the midst of a media circus for child molestation. No parent on earth would want to see their child go through that. You are a lost cause and I truly hope you are never a parent because even if your child was getting ass raped by your next door neighbor right in front of you, you wouldn't have a clue. Total fucking ignoramus.

Michael had perhaps the best legal team in the world in his defense, and they were not confident they could get a not guilty verdict in that courtroom so they threw money at the family, you are quick to point the finger at the family for taking the money as if they have poor moral values and ethics. What about the fact that Michael threw the money at them as a bribe, or all of the mounting evidence that you have so quickly disregarded.

You sir are truly a douchebag.

[whottt]

All the evidence is circumstantial...nothing that can't be exolaiuned by the fact that they basically ived at Jackson's house.

Like I said...whatever doubts remain, and there are plenty, are entirely due to the actions of the parants of these kids.

No matter what, money was a major factor for them.

If they are telling the truth, money was enough of a factor to let their childs molester go free and do it to others.

I hope that they are lying and are simply greedy people, because it speaks even worse of them if they aren't lying.

[ashbeeigh]

:lmao Let's bring politics into the death of a pop icon why don't we?



Video: House holds moment of silence for Michael Jackson (http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/26/video-house-holds-moment-of-silence-for-michael-jackson/)

No, as far as I know, Neda and the victims of the Iran crackdown never got one of their own — but they did get a resolution of support, so never mind that comparison. What’s more irritating here, that the House would interrupt national business for this or that JJJ would have the stones to pay tribute to the “grace” and “mercy” of a guy who was accused of child molestation more than once and was known to pay $20+ million settlements in hush money to his accusers? Atheist bonus points to Junior for framing it as an “if there is a God” question, oblivious as he is to the implications for that subject if one believes Michael was “blessed” with a penchant for kiddie-fondling. Like Treacher says, it’s a good thing those cherubs have wings; they’re going to need them.

As I write this, the websites of CNN, FNC, ABC, and NBC are still in full banner mode. The only outlet not smoking the Jacko cracko is CBS. Thank god it’s Friday. Click the image to watch.

[ashbeeigh]

Oh and if you need some MJ music for your day

http://www.mjtunes.com/mjtunesradio.asx

[DarkReign]

Exactly...

If someone "fucked" my kid, I wouldn't even call the cops. I'd kill them. Plain and simple, they would be dead.

Swear to god.

And under no circumstances would I ever take any sort of money from the molester of my child. Especially if i was to let him walk free.

So because you would act like a normal parent of any character would, you think the accusers parents feel the same?

Youre projecting. The amount of scumbag parents in this world only increases. Had it ever occured to you that these parents knew what Jacko was doing well before anything took place?

I remember the interview. Jackson preyed on the weak, broke and sick (both medically and socially). These parents barely qualified as human beings. They knowingly prostituted their children to a pedophile. They knew the score, Jackson knew it, too.

The only victims in the 15 years of this sick fuck "sleeping" with children were the children. The parents were in it for a money grab. Before (paid travel and stay), during (vacations, travel, food, stay) and after (lawsuit).

That doesnt absolve Jackson of shit. Not a damn thing. So what, whottt? Yes, the parents should be put in the fucking firing line right next to Jackson, with that much I agree.

But dont pretend that because you would kill a motherfucker who raped your kid (obviously), that this fact somehow has any bearing on what a parent who knowingly prostitutes their children would do. Because the actions of the parents and Jackson tell you exactly what fucked up pedophiles and the victims willful guardians do in the same situation that would drive you (and me) to 1st degree murder without hesitation.

People are fucked up the world around. This isnt exclusive. Jackson was a pedophile. He has a special place in hell waiting for him, I hope. If not, oh well, he's dead. At least there's one less pedo in the world.

Because you have doubts about the parents motivation and actions as parents, doesnt mean Jackson didnt rape their kids. Sure, he paid for it, but having the consent from the parents doesnt change what he did (or their guilt). Kill em all, IMO.

[whottt]

The more important fact is that they did not want their child to endure a trial in the midst of a media circus for child molestation. [/quoter]

What a stupid fuckwad you are...


You dense piece of shit, if that was their motivation, they wouldn't have even brought the accusations against him in the first place.


You are too fucking stupiud to see the contradictions in your own argument.

]quote]
No parent on earth would want to see their child go through that. You are a lost cause and I truly hope you are never a parent because even if your child was getting ass raped by your next door neighbor right in front of you, you wouldn't have a clue. Total fucking ignoramus.


Yeah, and you're the type that would fucking whore his kid out for 20 million bucks and let the molester go free to molest other children as long as got paid you worthless piece of shit.

That's exactly what you fucking are...how dare you judge me,.


PS: I'm not the one brags about being friends with people that like to hang themselves by their dick...FREAK.



You're the type of person that would let a molester go free for 20 million, that's exactly what you are, that's why you are so defensive.


Low class, low grade, cult of celebrity idolatry

Piece
Of
Shit




Why don't you occupy yourself with your David Carradine pictures and dropping names to people who give a shit, fucking freak, and don't you ever
presume to know what I would do in a certain situation.

Because you are the fucking celebrity idolizing freak...

HEATH.

Beyond all doubt, you are a name dropping faggot who would be honored to have his kids stay at a famous pedophiles house and get buttfucked for 20 million...I mean after all, you'd get pictures to post on message boards and brag about how you knew him.

[IronMexican]

"He made Thriller, man. Thriller." - Dave Chappelle.

[mrsmaalox]

No one seems to remember that the family never initiated the very first investigation. It was an Los Angeles School District official who lodged a complaint with the Dcfs over general neglect of the kid by the mom. That was February 2003. They also mentioned they were concerned because of that documentary. The mom was questioned and the entire family insisted that no inappropriate contact with Jackson occurred; also, the mother said that the children were never left alone with Jackson. The case was closed; the charges marked as "unfounded." Afterwards, in November 2003, when there was outside interest in connection with charges against Jackson, a report was made. Sounds like she suddenly realized she could cash in with the first accuser.

[dirk4mvp]

regulated.

for some reason, I always get a sense of enjoyment reading whotttttttt's posts.

[tlongII]

I think there is no doubt that Jacko was a pedo. I still can't help but mourn his passing though. His music was incredible. I turned 21 when he was at his peak and of course I went to lots of discos/dance clubs. Michael Jackson songs were always the favorites for the dance crowds and you knew you were unlikely to get turned down when asking a chick to dance to a Jacko tune. Dude helped me get laid many times!

[Heath Ledger]

Ooh it looks like i hit a nerve. Re read your post? You are drinking the celebrity cool aid and defending a mutliple times accused pedophile, who always paid people when given the opportunity.

You are blind, perhaps you were molested as a little boy maybe even by Michael? But he gave your family some hush money and you agreed to defend Michael by any means necessary.

LOL FUCKWAD.


And what does me knowing or name dropping David Carradines name have to do with you defending a pedophile? I must have struck some nerve. Lol.


Epic fail.

[Heath Ledger]

No one seems to remember that the family never initiated the very first investigation. It was an Los Angeles School District official who lodged a complaint with the Dcfs over general neglect of the kid by the mom. That was February 2003. They also mentioned they were concerned because of that documentary. The mom was questioned and the entire family insisted that no inappropriate contact with Jackson occurred; also, the mother said that the children were never left alone with Jackson. The case was closed; the charges marked as "unfounded." Afterwards, in November 2003, when there was outside interest in connection with charges against Jackson, a report was made. Sounds like she suddenly realized she could cash in with the first accuser.


In case you didnt know there were 3 or 4 instances of allegations, two were known to have been paid off, your example was not.

[BacktoBasics]

but but but it was all for money.

[Opinionater]

IMHO, there is NO doubt he was the KING of Pop and the greatest entertainer this world has ever seen.

RIP.

[tp2021]

Ooh it looks like i hit a nerve. Re read your post? You are drinking the celebrity cool aid and defending a mutliple times accused pedophile, who always paid people when given the opportunity.

You are blind, perhaps you were molested as a little boy maybe even by Michael? But he gave your family some hush money and you agreed to defend Michael by any means necessary.

LOL FUCKWAD.

Weak

[Opinionater]

but but but it was all for money.

IMHO, in today's world....it always is.

[Heath Ledger]

Yes he was the king of POP

[whottt]

Ooh it looks like i hit a nerve. Re read your post? You are drinking the celebrity cool aid and defending a mutliple times accused pedophile, who always paid people when given the opportunity.

You are blind, perhaps you were molested as a little boy maybe even by Michael? But he gave your family some hush money and you agreed to defend Michael by any means necessary.

LOL FUCKWAD.



Yeah you hit a nerve because you personally attacked me, whereas I did nothing of the sort to you.

You took my condemnation of the family personally, I took your condemnation of me personally...

Notice the difference idiot?

I was defensive over attacks leveled at me personally, you were defensive over attacks at provably greedy people personally.


And really...do you not realize what a fucking idiot you come off as accusing anyone else of idolizing someojne when you post pictures of yourself with celebrities on this board, and post under the name of one?


You're what they call a klingon...and a stupid, corrupt one that would whore his children out to celebrities for a fee, at that.

[DarkReign]

Sometimes I forget I am on whottt's ignore list.

[resistanze]

Yes he was the king of POP-ing 7 year old boys cherries.

Weak. You said you were done with jokes, but started up just because you got butthurt in an argument.

[Heath Ledger]

Michael had all the money in the world to hire the best defense and clear his good name right? But he didn't, he threw money at the problem to make it go away because he knew he was guilty as fuck. If he were truly innocent he would fight this case at all costs because money was not an object and he had everything to lose including his freedom. So that's what he did right? oops nope he threw hush money to multiple families, 2 million to one 25 million to another. Which opened himself up to the third famiily which may or may not have been a money grab attempt, but he brought that problem upon himself by throwing huge amounts of money in around in the first two cases.

He was guilty and he knew it, his lawyers knew it, plenty of evidence had that 2nd boy testified in court along with his corroborating evidnece describing his genitals and birthmarks.

[clambake]

now you want whottt to kill himself?

you got issues.

[Heath Ledger]

Ya that was a bit overboard I admit.

[mrsmaalox]

In case you didnt know there were 3 or 4 instances of allegations, two were known to have been paid off, your example was not.

I know, everyone seems to be getting them confused. The first case, the one that was paid off happened like 10 years earlier. But in that one, they found out that the dad was feeding the kid sedatives (sodium Amytal), then questioning him. Then they have evidence of the dad threatening to ruin Jackson, and he approached Jackson to reach a financial settlement before he made a complaint with LAPD. That's where all those doubts came from. And the genital comparison was not exact. The penis experts said there were similarities, but not an exact match.
Here's a quote by the dad was entered as evidence,of someone asking the dad if he was concerned how a trial could affect his son, Chandler (the kid's dad) replied, "That's irrelevant to me...It will be a massacre if I don't get what I want. It's going to be bigger than all us put together...This man [Jackson] is going to be humiliated beyond belief...He will not sell one more record".

[whottt]

Sometimes I forget I am on whottt's ignore list.

You aren't on ignore...I just don't really feel motivated to have many discussions with you. No offense but your posts are about as interesting to me as the latest Emillio Estivez movie.

[resistanze]

So because you would act like a normal parent of any character would, you think the accusers parents feel the same?

Youre projecting. The amount of scumbag parents in this world only increases. Had it ever occured to you that these parents knew what Jacko was doing well before anything took place?

I remember the interview. Jackson preyed on the weak, broke and sick (both medically and socially). These parents barely qualified as human beings. They knowingly prostituted their children to a pedophile. They knew the score, Jackson knew it, too.

The only victims in the 15 years of this sick fuck "sleeping" with children were the children. The parents were in it for a money grab. Before (paid travel and stay), during (vacations, travel, food, stay) and after (lawsuit).

That doesnt absolve Jackson of shit. Not a damn thing. So what, whottt? Yes, the parents should be put in the fucking firing line right next to Jackson, with that much I agree.

But dont pretend that because you would kill a motherfucker who raped your kid (obviously), that this fact somehow has any bearing on what a parent who knowingly prostitutes their children would do. Because the actions of the parents and Jackson tell you exactly what fucked up pedophiles and the victims willful guardians do in the same situation that would drive you (and me) to 1st degree murder without hesitation.

People are fucked up the world around. This isnt exclusive. Jackson was a pedophile. He has a special place in hell waiting for him, I hope. If not, oh well, he's dead. At least there's one less pedo in the world.

Because you have doubts about the parents motivation and actions as parents, doesnt mean Jackson didnt rape their kids. Sure, he paid for it, but having the consent from the parents doesnt change what he did (or their guilt). Kill em all, IMO.
I find a lot of this puzzling. MJ is a pedophile who preyed on children that were being prostituted by their parents? How did their parents have prior knowledge that he would fuck their kids so they could get money through a civil lawsuit? Why would MJ knowingly come to an agreement where he'd be sued and his name tarnished?

He had hundreds of kids that stayed with him during this time, from the same socioeconomic class. Can we assume that the parents of these children were okay prostituting their children for no financial reward?

We'll never know for sure if he's guilty or not, but many of the arguments against MJ fueled bloodthirsty hate don't appear to be logical IMO. Because from what you're arguing, it would seem that the accusers sold their children's asses for money, while everyone else sold their children's asses for just the sheer joy of doing so.

[mrsmaalox]

But whatever. He's dead now, it's not my job to judge him. I was a Jackson fan way before this all happened and by that time I had pretty much out grown him and thought he was pretty looney. Did he molest kids? It's very possible. But that's not going to change what I felt/thought about Michael Jackson when I was a kid, so what if that's how some of us choose to remember him?

[whottt]

But whatever. He's dead now, it's not my job to judge him. I was a Jackson fan way before this all happened and by that time I had pretty much out grown him and thought he was pretty looney. Did he molest kids? It's very possible. But that's not going to change what I felt/thought about Michael Jackson when I was a kid, so what if that's how some of us choose to remember him?

I like the Jackson 5 stuff from when he was a kid...that's probably the way I'll remember him. He really did turn into a freak. But I don't think he was a pedophile...people that become enormously successful and then become reclusive due to the overwhelming burden of fame always become targets for whatever accusations people want to level at them, because they are reclusive it's easy for people to project the worse on them.


I would truly like to know if he was a pedophile or not, but thanks to greed of the parents we'll never know for sure, it will be entirely speculative.


I personally think that those that are inclined to be pedophiles will project their self hating pedophillic urges upon him in the absence of him defending himself much like those preachers condemn sexual preference and tell people how they are going to burn in hell while they are molesting kids themselves like there's no tomorrow.

[angel_luv]

I like his song " Man in the Mirror." and the stuff he sang as a part of the Jackson 5.

I am sorry that he died, for the family, friends, and fans that he left behind.

I hope he is at peace now- finally.

[CosmicCowboy]

Jackson was supposedly 400 million in debt. How does someone that broke pay $100,000 a month for rent?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

paul mccartney

"I feel privileged to have hung out and worked with Michael. He was a massively talented boy man with a gentle soul. His music will be remembered forever and my memories of our time together will be happy ones."

boy man?

[clambake]

he doesn't pay it.

2 investors in his comeback bid paid for it.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

jackson was supposedly 400 million in debt. How does someone that broke pay $100,000 a month for rent?
yes he can!!!

[DarkReign]

I find a lot of this puzzling. MJ is a pedophile who preyed on children that were being prostituted by their parents? How did their parents have prior knowledge that he would fuck their kids so they could get money through a civil lawsuit? Why would MJ knowingly come to an agreement where he'd be sued and his name tarnished?

Incorrect.

MJ paid them up front in a "good faith" (horrible turn of phrase to use considering the subject) gesture to not get sued/accused/imprisoned.

Well, when you deal with people of such high character, dont be surprised when they bust the deal.


He had hundreds of kids that stayed with him during this time, from the same socioeconomic class. Can we assume that the parents of these children were okay prostituting their children for no financial reward?

Dont know. Doubt it. Possibly, he was selective. You must remember, these parents who knowingly let their kids stay with Jacko for days/weeks without contact or even a phonecall were scum of the Earth people.

They knew what was up. But they were more concerned with free vacations on MJ's dime, hanging out in Neverland where the wait staff are about you hand and foot.

They were living their version of the good life. The payment for this was the prostitution of their kid. For a scumbag, low life...small price to pay.


We'll never know for sure if he's guilty or not, but many of the arguments against MJ fueled bloodthirsty hate don't appear to be logical IMO. Because from what you're arguing, it would seem that the accusers sold their children's asses for money, while everyone else sold their children's asses for just the sheer joy of doing so.

Basically, yes. They sold their children to a pedophile. Now, you can look at that situation two ways...

1) Its the parents fault and this somehow casts doubt as to whether these events actually happened. Enough so that you can rationalize a grown man admitting to a TV camera that he sleeps with other peoples children in his bed, in his house...without the parents there. Somehow, in your world, you can rationalize that MJ was just a manchild of some sort and that this specific behavior was acceptable and not worthy of law enforcement's attention.

or...

2) Its an "everybody is guilty" situation. Its like slavery in a sense. If its illegal, do you only cast guilt upon the trader? The buyer? Or both? The parents should be hung, period....right next to MJ. But the parents were such cowards they couldnt even admit their own guilt.

They never had a "Come to Jesus" moment where they could no longer look in the mirror. When your conscience finally catches up to you and you say "Fuck it, I cant live with it any longer. Im telling the truth. How I was paid off, bribes of sorts when I full-well knew what was going on in there with him and my kid."

Nope. That never happened. They wanted to be the victim so they could get paid. And they did get paid. For those barely-humans, its a lifetime achievement. They played a pedophile celebrity for a fool and won. MJ was just too stupid and sick in the head to know that could happen. He probably thought it was all taken care of. He paid them, he took care of them...this wasnt for free, they knew that.

Basically, line them all up shoulder to shoulder and walk slowly down the line pulling the trigger while looking them in their animal eyes. The world would have been better for it.

[DarkReign]

yes he can!!!

:lmao

Apt.

[whottt]

paul mccartney

"I feel privileged to have hung out and worked with Michael. He was a massively talented boy man with a gentle soul. His music will be remembered forever and my memories of our time together will be happy ones."

boy man?

That's kind of what he was.


I think McCartney's full of it though...if anybody got fucked by Michael Jackson, it was him.

[Spurminator]

I think our only hope of finding out for sure is when Corey Feldman gets so desperate for money that he writes a tell-all book.

[DarkReign]

You aren't on ignore...I just don't really feel motivated to have many discussions with you. No offense but your posts are about as interesting to me as the latest Emillio Estivez movie.

...but I like Mighty Ducks.

[mrsmaalox]

That's kind of what he was.


I think McCartney's full of it though...if anybody got fucked by Michael Jackson, it was him.
:lmao spot on!


I think our only hope of finding out for sure is when Corey Feldman gets so desperate for money that he writes a tell-all book.
:lol

[whottt]

Jackson was supposedly 400 million in debt. How does someone that broke pay $100,000 a month for rent?

The better question is how did someone as wealthy as Jackson was wind up 400 million in debt...

And the answer is simple, because he was surrounded by greedy people, greddy people are always attracted to money...hell, some of them would pimp their own children out to get to it.

[CuckingFunt]

Man fuck this shit. I loved MJ's music. I grew up on that shit. I went through 3 copies of thriller on tape because I played it so much.

But I hate all this fake bullshit where people act sad that he's gone. Over the past 15-20 years rarely did you see good news about this man. The news were always running some story about how fucked up this guy was and people were always asking "what happened to Michael?".

But now every news network is covering this like it was the death of the Pope and every person I see is so sad this happened. (I admit I'm posting this before reading this thread so maybe some of you aren't) and its fake and its annoying. I'll be happy when this bullshit is off TV but I'm sure the networks will milk it all weekend long.

This is about where I am with the whole thing.

I was a huge Michael Jackson fan as a kid. Huge. And I still am a dancing fool every time something from "Thriller" or "Off the Wall" or the Jackson 5 pops up on my iPod. But I'm finding it hard to mourn the passing of an artist who, for all intents and purposes, has been gone a long time. He's been nothing but a creepo (whether or not he touched little boys, he was clearly fucked in the head) and a punchline for the last 15+ years, and it would be incredibly disingenuous for me to now pretend like I didn't laugh at a lot of those jokes over the years.

[Thunder Dan]

TMZ has the 911 call, and they are saying that he was dead at the scene but his personal doc wouldn't let the EMTs say it, that he insisted they take him to the hospital

[whottt]

This is about where I am with the whole thing.

I was a huge Michael Jackson fan as a kid. Huge. And I still am a dancing fool every time something from "Thriller" or "Off the Wall" or the Jackson 5 pops up on my iPod. But I'm finding it hard to mourn the passing of an artist who, for all intents and purposes, has been gone a long time. He's been nothing but a creepo (whether or not he touched little boys, he was clearly fucked in the head) and a punchline for the last 15+ years, and it would be incredibly disingenuous for me to now pretend like I didn't laugh at a lot of those jokes over the years.

I don't know how old you and Manny are, but a generation of kids grew up with Michael Jackson, I mean when he was a kid too.

Looking at what he was, and what he became, and how his life ended is sad for that segment...his generation.

Plus it's that whole becoming aware of your own mortality thing as well.


There's something really sad about the course of his life, and not all the money in the world can wash that sadness away.


You and Manny probably first seeing him when he was already an adult don't have that same level of connection.

I mean he literally grew up right there on stage to a generation, and if you look, it's that generation that is mourning him the most and seems to be the most emotional about it.


And I enjoy the jokes and think he turned into a freak as much as anyone else...but he wasn't always that way.


Just goes to show how little money and success truly mean in the grand scheme of things, because he had all that in spades yet I can't shake the feeling he went through his entire life empty and lost.

[resistanze]

Incorrect.

MJ paid them up front in a "good faith" (horrible turn of phrase to use considering the subject) gesture to not get sued/accused/imprisoned.

...

Basically, line them all up shoulder to shoulder and walk slowly down the line pulling the trigger while looking them in their animal eyes. The world would have been better for it.
I think you're selling many of these families short. They weren't all scumbags. Many of them were underprivleged, but that doesn't mean they would all sell their children for money. Lower class individuals have morals and principles as well. I have a very hard time believing that the worst that could happen to MJ during this entire period was having scumbag parents suing him, if he was indeed molesting so many children.

You mean there wasn't one parent that found out about what MJ was doing and wanted to take a crack at him? No parent that would take justice (MJ behind bars) as opposed to money?

The idea that all the children MJ systematically molested were from parents he think would be "okay" with it for money, seems far-fetched. Especially when you consider the sheer amount of families that stayed at his ranch over the years.

And just for accuracy's sake, he said they allowed them to stay in his bedroom, but I'm pretty certain he stated he never slept with him. Not that I'd ever allow my children to be with such an individual, but if you're going MJ's own words as admission of his guilt, you would wonder why he'd even admit to allowing children in his room in the first place if he's going to deny molesting them.

You can scream he's guilty and celebrate his death all you want, but we'll never know. Additionally, the maintenance of his guilt based on a convoluted premise that involves MJ intricately selecting scumbag parents that would whore their children is really out there. It seems much more believable that the parents had no idea, if we're going that route.

[JudynTX]

TMZ has the 911 call, and they are saying that he was dead at the scene but his personal doc wouldn't let the EMTs say it, that he insisted they take him to the hospital

I heard it.

[Spurminator]

It's weird how we're obsessed with trainwrecks but still feel the need to mourn when the inevitable wreck happens.

Didn't everyone see this coming? Wasn't this what we've been waiting for? Why all of the surprise? Frankly, if you told me in 1994 that Michael Jackson would live to be 50, THAT would have surprised me.

[JudynTX]

It's weird how we're obsessed with trainwrecks but still feel the need to mourn when the inevitable wreck happens.

So why did you start a thread about Swayze supposedly dying?

Let us mourn the way we want to, geez.

[Spurminator]

Mourn all you want, no one's stopping you. Just an observation.

And Swayze doesn't really have anything to do with it.

[Thunder Dan]

Mourn all you want, no one's stopping you. Just an observation.


I don't think that anyone expected Michael Jackson to live long, or that we are saying he wasn't a train wreck. It's just weird to see someone so big, for so long die. Michael Jackson was the biggest star in the world for my whole life (born 1983), it's just weird that he is dead.

[whottt]

It's weird how we're obsessed with trainwrecks but still feel the need to mourn when the inevitable wreck happens.

Didn't everyone see this coming? Wasn't this what we've been waiting for? Why all of the surprise? Frankly, if you told me in 1994 that Michael Jackson would live to be 50, THAT would have surprised me.

See I have a completely different view of it....I am stunned he is dead. I did not see it coming, I expected him to be there at the end along with the cockroaches and rats.

He survived the change of eras in his career and remained contemporary like few others. Yeah he finally lost it, but he was contemporary for longer than he was a has been.

[Spurminator]

I don't think that anyone expected Michael Jackson to live long, or that we are saying he wasn't a train wreck. It's just weird to see someone so big, for so long die. Michael Jackson was the biggest star in the world for my whole life (born 1983), it's just weird that he is dead.

Oh I agree. I'm as sad as anyone... although "sad" doesn't really seem like the word I'm looking for. Not sure. MJ is probably the only artist whose music I have loved consistently since childhood. There was never a point in my life when I didn't like Thriller or the Jackson 5... I can't say that about any other artist I can think of that I listened to as a child. It's a weird feeling and it's also illogical. That's not to say I don't feel it.

[whottt]

I don't think that anyone expected Michael Jackson to live long, or that we are saying he wasn't a train wreck. It's just weird to see someone so big, for so long die. Michael Jackson was the biggest star in the world for my whole life (born 1983), it's just weird that he is dead.

See and here's where the divergence between you and funt and Manny and others occurs...

Michael Jackson was already well into becoming a freak by 1983. He wasn't the same kid of the Jackson 5 or the guy who made Off the Wall.


I think some people when they hear his name, this is the first image that gets conjured up:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0SWl0hRdg4A/ST_ah8o_ZXI/AAAAAAAAHn8/JT-maTZwbmE/s400/michaeljacksonglove.jpg

or maybe this:

http://www.topnews.in/uploads/Michael-Jackson5.jpg


For others it might be even worse...


But to a lot, this is the image his name conjures up:

http://www.vinyl-masterpiece.com/catalog/images/Jackson%205.jpg


Because he was kid when they were...that's the group that is taking this the hardest.

[mrsmaalox]

And who didn't laugh at a good Michael Jackson joke?? No matter what your age is?

[whottt]

And I never got what was so great about Thriller and beyond...his most popular stuff. I was sick of his music by then. I think I liked Billy Jean when it first came out, mainly because MTV had just come out and that was one of the first videos made specifically for the video era.

But to me none of the stuff in his solo career holds up to the early 70's Jackson 5 stuff which is pretty much impossible to turn off when it comes on the radio.

And I never liked the glove wearing guy...but the kid I liked.

I grew up roller skating to that stuff, listening to it during the summer at six flags...etc.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I think our only hope of finding out for sure is when Corey Feldman gets so desperate for money that he writes a tell-all book.
did you see what he wore on larry king?

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2009/06/0626_cory_feldman_1570329_pcn_exc-1.jpg

this is not an old pic, by the way

[DarkReign]

I think you're selling many of these families short. They weren't all scumbags. Many of them were underprivleged, but that doesn't mean they would all sell their children for money. Lower class individuals have morals and principles as well. I have a very hard time believing that the worst that could happen to MJ during this entire period was having scumbag parents suing him, if he was indeed molesting so many children.

Hey, good point. Cant argue.


You mean there wasn't one parent that found out about what MJ was doing and wanted to take a crack at him? No parent that would take justice (MJ behind bars) as opposed to money?

The idea that all the children MJ systematically molested were from parents he think would be "okay" with it for money, seems far-fetched. Especially when you consider the sheer amount of families that stayed at his ranch over the years.

Goooood point again, no argument.


And just for accuracy's sake, he said they allowed them to stay in his bedroom, but I'm pretty certain he stated he never slept with him. Not that I'd ever allow my children to be with such an individual, but if you're going MJ's own words as admission of his guilt, you would wonder why he'd even admit to allowing children in his room in the first place if he's going to deny molesting them.

....annnnd incorrect.


Back in Neverland, Jackson reveals to Bashir that not only does he invite disadvantaged children to his ranch, he lets them stay in his bed. Gavin Arvizo, who was then a cancer patient, states that it was Jackson's support that helped him beat his diagnosis. Bashir is stunned at this revelation, but Jackson admits that he let the boy have the bed while he slept on the floor. When asked what he gets out of this, the singer replies that he gains the joy, because "my greatest inspiration comes from kids." After this, Bashir is left feeling uneasy about the apparent obsession with children. As well as this topic, he realizes that he will have to confront Jackson on certain areas of his life that he feels he had been less than honest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_with_Michael_Jackson

I tried really, really hard to find the video of the exact part of the interview, but all I could find were the hour long parts.

Just google "michael jackson interview martin bashir" and you can watch Jackson say it in his own words and Bashir's obvious disgust at this response.


You can scream he's guilty and celebrate his death all you want, but we'll never know. Additionally, the maintenance of his guilt based on a convoluted premise that involves MJ intricately selecting scumbag parents that would whore their children is really out there. It seems much more believable that the parents had no idea, if we're going that route.

Watch. The. Interview.

You'd learn a lot more than you obviously care to.

[DarkReign]

did you see what he wore on larry king?

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2009/06/0626_cory_feldman_1570329_pcn_exc-1.jpg

this is not an old pic, by the way

Coca-Cola in his hand.

Fucking traitor.

[resistanze]

Hey, good point. Cant argue.

Goooood point again, no argument.

....annnnd incorrect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_with_Michael_Jackson

I tried really, really hard to find the video of the exact part of the interview, but all I could find were the hour long parts.

Just google "michael jackson interview martin bashir" and you can watch Jackson say it in his own words and Bashir's obvious disgust at this response.

Watch. The. Interview.

You'd learn a lot more than you obviously care to.

I saw the interview at the time it came out. Not sure what you posted makes my point incorrect, unless you misinterpreted what I said initially (or perhaps I just wasn't clear). When I said he didn't sleep with the kids, I meant physically sleep with them. I knew about the sleeping on the floor while giving the kid his bed. It doesn't change the fact that he has always categorically denied all the charges against him. It doesn't negate my initial point that it is odd for an individual to make public such a fact if he believed it would make him look guilty of child molestation.

But let's not act like we're impartial parties debating over this. I think MJ was an emotionally stunted, troubled, twisted man. Because of how he was, I think he ended up being an easy target. On the other side, you've said you'd like him to burn in hell, so I wouldn't call you impartial, either. You have no more insight than me on what actually happened (or didn't happen) on his ranch, as much as you may like to believe so. Arguments are predicated upon the lawsuit and on his interview, none of which really implicate him. We'll never truly know, and I'm sure as hell not trying to change your mind on what you believe.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Coca-Cola in his hand.

Fucking traitor.
hey. pepsi burned mike

[DarkReign]

I saw the interview at the time it came out. Not sure what you posted makes my point incorrect, unless you misinterpreted what I said initially (or perhaps I just wasn't clear). When I said he didn't sleep with the kids, I meant physically sleep with them. I knew about the sleeping on the floor while giving the kid his bed. It doesn't change the fact that he has always categorically denied all the charges against him. It doesn't negate my initial point that it is odd for an individual to make public such a fact if he believed it would make him look guilty of child molestation.

But let's not act like we're impartial parties debating over this. I think MJ was an emotionally stunted, troubled, twisted man. Because of how he was, I think he ended up being an easy target. On the other side, you've said you'd like him to burn in hell, so I wouldn't call you impartial, either. You have no more insight than me on what actually happened (or didn't happen) on his ranch, as much as you may like to believe so. Arguments are predicated upon the lawsuit and on his interview, none of which really implicate him. We'll never truly know, and I'm sure as hell not trying to change your mind on what you believe.

Fair.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

ouch


http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/cnishared/tools/shared/mediahub/04/11/15/orignal_1151147_NBRHb1H_mike06262009.jpg

http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/luckovich/index.html?cxntlid=sldr_hm

[duncan228]

For anyone interested, the LA Coroner is supposed to speak shortly on the initial autopsy results.

Edit: Coroner news conference delayed an hour to an hour and a half. Apparantly he's with the family and will speak after that.

[Heath Ledger]

Michael in fact did admit to sleeping with children in his bed.

[whottt]

Heath, are there any celebrities you aren't obsessed with, I mean aside from the living ones?


Dead celebrities pretty much define you on this board. And not in a good way either.

Ledger
Carradine
And now Michael Jackson.

You'd probably suck off their rotting corpses for a photo op with them.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

uh, oh.

:corn:

remember he sells knives.

[whottt]

uh, oh.

:corn:

remember he sells knives.

Oh really? Was he bragging about that too? Was it in conjunction with celebrity name dropping, or just info tossed out there in the course of casual conversation?

[ShoogarBear]

Lol, CNN:



Jackson dies, almost takes internet with him

http://us.cnn.com/2009/TECH/06/26/michael.jackson.internet/index.html

[CuckingFunt]

See and here's where the divergence between you and funt and Manny and others occurs...

Michael Jackson was already well into becoming a freak by 1983. He wasn't the same kid of the Jackson 5 or the guy who made Off the Wall.


I think some people when they hear his name, this is the first image that gets conjured up:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0SWl0hRdg4A/ST_ah8o_ZXI/AAAAAAAAHn8/JT-maTZwbmE/s400/michaeljacksonglove.jpg


That's probably the 4th or 5th for me, actually.

My first thought is:

ane6VJGlIMs

Followed by the hours I spent listening to Thriller, followed by the hours I spent as a young dancer memorizing each step of "Beat It" and "Billie Jean" and "Thriller" as soon as the videos were released, and eventually I think of my Michael Jackson doll lovin' up all my Barbies.

Don't assume it's an age thing. I grew up with parents who instilled a love for all music in me. The Jackson 5, Prince, Run DMC, The Four Tops, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Mills Brothers, Fred Astaire... this (and more) is the music that made up my youth, despite the fact I was born in 1978. I get the importance of Michael Jackson, believe me. As a dancer, it's impossible not to. The point I made is that it's hard to mourn his passing today when, in my eyes, that happened long ago. His death is tragic, but so was his life. As a pretty hardcore fan of Michael through the Bad album, the fact that he died isn't significantly more hurtful than watching the artist I loved as a child slowly turn into a joke.

[ShoogarBear]

eventually I think of my Michael Jackson doll lovin' up all my Barbies

[CuckingFunt]

I didn't say they were all pleasant memories.

[MajorMike]

For anyone interested, the LA Coroner is supposed to speak shortly on the initial autopsy results.

Edit: Coroner news conference delayed an hour to an hour and a half. Apparantly he's with the family and will speak after that.

I've seen the prelims; turns out he died from food poisoning.












Poor guy couldn't resist 13-year old weiner.

[IronMexican]

MTV is doing some kind of special on him Kobe and Fabulous talked.

[duncan228]

LA County Coroner speaking now, live on CNN.

[duncan228]

Autopsy cause of death deferred, additional testing ordered. 4-6 weeks to complete, then they'll issue a final cause of death. There was no indication of foul play.

They placed a security hold on the investigation, they'll release limited information until the tests are back.

[Slomo]

Man fuck this shit. I loved MJ's music. I grew up on that shit. I went through 3 copies of thriller on tape because I played it so much.

But I hate all this fake bullshit where people act sad that he's gone. Over the past 15-20 years rarely did you see good news about this man. The news were always running some story about how fucked up this guy was and people were always asking "what happened to Michael?".

But now every news network is covering this like it was the death of the Pope and every person I see is so sad this happened. (I admit I'm posting this before reading this thread so maybe some of you aren't) and its fake and its annoying. I'll be happy when this bullshit is off TV but I'm sure the networks will milk it all weekend long.

+1

I don't know whether he was or wasn't a child molester (although it's difficult to ignore the out of court settlements), but I'm surprised by the reactions (not only in this thread) saying "I don't care if he was a pedophile, he was a great musicina, dancer, artist....)
WTF?
Do these people also say "Who cares if he executed over 11 million Jews, the guy was a wizard with ceramic tiles, you should see the bathroom he did for us in Bertesgarten! RIP Adolf".

???

If you think he's innocent that's one thing, but if you're willing to forgive him because he knew how to carry a tune...

[Dr. Gonzo]

If Hitler did the moonwalk I would ignore him killing a bunch of Jews.

[Heath Ledger]

Sweet it's good to know I have a new fan. If you will do Hari Kari i will send you a free tanto.

[jman3000]

I had no idea this would get this much coverage. I mean EVERYBODY is covering it. Talk radio, spanish radio stations, cable news ... everyone.

I think it's because pretty much everyone alive today, with the probable exception of generation Y, has known his music in one way or another. In the early 70's he was big with people who are 50-70 years old now. If you were born in the late 70's well it's a given that you were gonna grow up a fan... and even if you were born in the mid 80's (like myself) you still heard Dangerous before he started getting really weird.

[florige]

I had no idea this would get this much coverage. I mean EVERYBODY is covering it. Talk radio, spanish radio stations, cable news ... everyone.

I think it's because pretty much everyone alive today, with the probable exception of generation Y, has known his music in one way or another. In the early 70's he was big with people who are 50-70 years old now. If you were born in the late 70's well it's a given that you were gonna grow up a fan... and even if you were born in the mid 80's (like myself) you still heard Dangerous before he started getting really weird.



Like that thread TD started a while back. Whether you hated, or loved the guy, he WAS a name around the globe that damn near everyone recognized. Even my grandmother who is 86 with dementia still knew who he was. :lol I was shocked. This coverage of him doesn't surprise me the least bit. Hell he even had links on sporting sites like ESPN and CBS Sportline. That is the first time I saw that before I must admit. No matter what type of music you listened to I can just about guarantee everyone knows who he is. (Well knew who he was).

[NewJerSpur]

The thing I thought about for most of the day after I heard the news was Michael's legacy. He's a rare breed in my opinion in that he cornered the market with his brand of entertainment....so much so that "heir apparents" such as Ne-Yo, Justin Timberlake, and even Usher can only walk in his shdow rather than expand off of what Jackson did and take his art to another plateau. All of his personal demons and troubling headlines aside, he worked to perfect his craft and as a result dominated his field even when he wasn't as relevant a name on current musical charts.

[jman3000]

Hmmm... did Michael convert to Islam?

I remember hearing his brother Jermaine say at the end of his statement that he hopes Allah watches over him.

Unless that's a Jehovah's Witness thing...

[florige]

Hmmm... did Michael convert to Islam?

I remember hearing his brother Jermaine say at the end of his statement that he hopes Allah watches over him.

Unless that's a Jehovah's Witness thing...




:lmao:lmao:lmao:rollin Trust me dude, IT'S NOT!!!!

[NewJerSpur]

Hmmm... did Michael convert to Islam?

I remember hearing his brother Jermaine say at the end of his statement that he hopes Allah watches over him.

Unless that's a Jehovah's Witness thing...

Unless Jermaine has and was using that as his religious point of reference.

[Cheeto]

Official cause of death.....



He choked on an 8 year old weiner LOL

[NewJerSpur]

Official cause of death.....



He choked on an 8 year old weiner LOL

Wonk wonk, rather weak trollage and not worth the use of CAPS.

[Cheeto]

Wonk wonk, rather weak trollage and not worth the use of CAPS.

Well sorry. I thought it was damn funny. I'm sorry I don't see a need to mourn the death of an alleged pedophile. Death is sad, but three are more pressing issues in the world to be concerned about.

[EricB]

I'm still curious if the story about him giving himself the name the king of pop is true.

I knew he was a pedophile already, but an egotistical one on top of it?

[duncan228]

I'm still curious if the story about him giving himself the name the king of pop is true.

I always heard he gave it to himself, but it's being said now that Elizabeth Taylor gave him the nickname.

[NewJerSpur]

Well sorry. I thought it was damn funny. I'm sorry I don't see a need to mourn the death of an alleged pedophile. Death is sad, but three are more pressing issues in the world to be concerned about.

The joke was lame and juvenile at best. If there are more pressing issues than the death of an alleged pedophile who changed the audio/visual landscape of the music industry, then why stop in to post....concentrate your energy on more important matters.

[phyzik]

I had no idea this would get this much coverage. I mean EVERYBODY is covering it. Talk radio, spanish radio stations, cable news ... everyone.

I think it's because pretty much everyone alive today, with the probable exception of generation Y, has known his music in one way or another. In the early 70's he was big with people who are 50-70 years old now. If you were born in the late 70's well it's a given that you were gonna grow up a fan... and even if you were born in the mid 80's (like myself) you still heard Dangerous before he started getting really weird.

Who, in our generation, has NOT tried to do the moonwalk? Anyone who denies it is a fucking liar. I was born March 10th 1980, I grew up listening to Michael.

I hate the person he became and compltetely disconnected from him when I saw him dangle his kid from a balcony (that was the LAST straw, I had already started to part ways before that). Before that I was a fan of his work (not a big fan, just a fan).

I prefer, like I said in the NBA forum, to believe Michael the performer died at around that time. Michael the person was different and I couldnt understand him at all. He was a freak. I still at this time believe he at least did something that would at best be considered inapproriate with children. I mean, come on, you where accused of molestation and the best you could come up with was that you didnt molest a child yet you had them sleeping in your bed but yet paid millions of dollars to settle? He was practically a billionaire, couldnt he fight to clear his name? Come on.


Michael the entertainer is a completely different story in my book though. The guy was a fucking genious. I had so disconnected with him over the past 10-15 years I completely forgot how magnificent his music video's where until I started looking them up again. Now I miss him and thats a part of the tragedy of his life. He could have been the greatest of all time.

the guy Transcended religion for shits sake, nevermind color or place of origin. The dude was a fucking icon and affected people all over the world with his music. Name ONE artist that has affected as many people as Michael and I will strait up call you a fucking liar. Michael was the real deal and its a sad day that he is gone and didnt get the chance to revive his career.

Note: If he DID molest anyone, and IF there is a higher power that governs these things, I hope he burns for it but at the same time I thank him for what he did in his time here on Earth. When he performed, he connected people and thats a powerful thing.

[Cheeto]

The joke was lame and juvenile at best. If there are more pressing issues than the death of an alleged pedophile who changed the audio/visual landscape of the music industry, then why stop in to post....concentrate your energy on more important matters.

It's a freaking joke. I'm not going to argue the fact that it is or isn't juvenile for obvious reasons. I used "alleged pedophile" because I don't remember if he was ever convicted or not. I just see no reason to celebrate the man's life (my opinion). Okay, he changed the landscape of the music industry. You can say that of many musicians..ie.. Evis, Jimi Hendrix, Stevie Ray Vaughn, The Beattles...I could go on & on. Currently, my energy is concentrated at a cure for my boredom.

[NewJerSpur]

It's a freaking joke. I'm not going to argue the fact that it is or isn't juvenile for obvious reasons. I used "alleged pedophile" because I don't remember if he was ever convicted or not. I just see no reason to celebrate the man's life (my opinion). Okay, he changed the landscape of the music industry. You can say that of many musicians..ie.. Evis, Jimi Hendrix, Stevie Ray Vaughn, The Beattles...I could go on & on. Currently, my energy is concentrated at a cure for my boredom.

Still feel the joke was lame and the pedophile debate could go on for a while with no clear cut resolution.

As far as his talent level, read the my opinion on his legacy a few posts earlier....I think that is what separates him from many innovators in music across genres. I'm not a hyperbole person myself so you won't here me throwing out the term GOAT anytime soon, but the dude really stnads alone in musical history IMO.

I probably shouldn't have carried such a hyped up tone in my previous tone and if you don't celebrate any aspect of his life that's your right, but the "I have more important things to do outside of focus on his death yet I'll still post in a thread about it" seems kind of contradictory to me.

[Cheeto]

Still feel the joke was lame and the pedophile debate could go on for a while with no clear cut resolution.

As far as his talent level, read the my opinion on his legacy a few posts earlier....I think that is what separates him from many innovators in music across genres. I'm not a hyperbole person myself so you won't here me throwing out the term GOAT anytime soon, but the dude really stnads alone in musical history IMO.

I probably shouldn't have carried such a hyped up tone in my previous tone and if you don't celebrate any aspect of his life that's your right, but the "I have more important things to do outside of focus on his death yet I'll still post in a thread about it" seems kind of contradictory to me.


Again, I'm just trying to cure my boredom. I do have more important things to do, but not at the moment.
I read your posts, with many others. I suppose I was more curious of why people are so amazed with him. I personally have never cared for his music nor have I ever bought any of his records. It's hard to argue what he has done for the music industry. Anyone that sells nearly a billion records has done something right. All I've really seen for the past 15 years or so, is him make many people angry (buying the rights to many Beattles song, not paying debts, his special liking of children, & what not). Anyways, I'm sorry if I offended you with my joke. I was just getting the discusion rolling some more.

[NewJerSpur]

Again, I'm just trying to cure my boredom. I do have more important things to do, but not at the moment.
I read your posts, with many others. I suppose I was more curious of why people are so amazed with him. I personally have never cared for his music nor have I ever bought any of his records. It's hard to argue what he has done for the music industry. Anyone that sells nearly a billion records has done something right. All I've really seen for the past 15 years or so, is him make many people angry (buying the rights to many Beattles song, not paying debts, his special liking of children, & what not). Anyways, I'm sorry if I offended you with my joke. I was just getting the discusion rolling some more.

Meh, I'll live and I actually wasn't outraged or anything if you check my initial reaction. I can understand the disconnect with him personally given the state of his personal life....I can also say to each his own regarding the music, but he definitely changed the industry and even the culture of music. Different people are going to bring up different aspects of his life, my comment was mainly in honor of his creative legacy.

[Bukefal]

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When is it going to stop???!!!!! Jeeesss, every f*cking second, every minute, hour all day and night long the only thing you hear and see is MICHAEL JACKSON. The man is dead, enough already, it's too much.

[Heath Ledger]

Farah Fawcett sure picked a shitty day to die.

To think Farah was once the fantasy of many young boys during her prime while Michael fantasized about many young boys during his.

[Thunder Dan]

Official cause of death.....



He choked on an 8 year old weiner LOL

That's the worst joke ever. Horrible. Just horrible

[Wild Cobra]

That's the worst joke ever. Horrible. Just horrible
Why, was it yours he choked on?

[florige]

Who, in our generation, has NOT tried to do the moonwalk? Anyone who denies it is a fucking liar. I was born March 10th 1980, I grew up listening to Michael.

I hate the person he became and compltetely disconnected from him when I saw him dangle his kid from a balcony (that was the LAST straw, I had already started to part ways before that). Before that I was a fan of his work (not a big fan, just a fan).

I prefer, like I said in the NBA forum, to believe Michael the performer died at around that time. Michael the person was different and I couldnt understand him at all. He was a freak. I still at this time believe he at least did something that would at best be considered inapproriate with children. I mean, come on, you where accused of molestation and the best you could come up with was that you didnt molest a child yet you had them sleeping in your bed but yet paid millions of dollars to settle? He was practically a billionaire, couldnt he fight to clear his name? Come on.


Michael the entertainer is a completely different story in my book though. The guy was a fucking genious. I had so disconnected with him over the past 10-15 years I completely forgot how magnificent his music video's where until I started looking them up again. Now I miss him and thats a part of the tragedy of his life. He could have been the greatest of all time.

the guy Transcended religion for shits sake, nevermind color or place of origin. The dude was a fucking icon and affected people all over the world with his music. Name ONE artist that has affected as many people as Michael and I will strait up call you a fucking liar. Michael was the real deal and its a sad day that he is gone and didnt get the chance to revive his career.

Note: If he DID molest anyone, and IF there is a higher power that governs these things, I hope he burns for it but at the same time I thank him for what he did in his time here on Earth. When he performed, he connected people and thats a powerful thing.





Good Post!

[jman3000]

I'm thinking this might have been a suicide as opposed to an accidental OD.

His concerts were set to begin next month and I think he knew that he wasn't going to be ready for them, both mentally and physically. Instead of disappointing everyone and canceling/postponing them he decided to kill himself.

His mental image of himself was far different than reality. Once he realized just how frail he had become he might have just snapped.

[florige]

I'm thinking this might have been a suicide as opposed to an accidental OD.

His concerts were set to begin next month and I think he knew that he wasn't going to be ready for them, both mentally and physically. Instead of disappointing everyone and canceling/postponing them he decided to kill himself.

His mental image of himself was far different than reality. Once he realized just how frail he had become he might have just snapped.



I think in the upcoming weeks it will come to light that his doctor had more to do with it than we know now.

[jman3000]

Well... it's become apparent that his doctor was just his legalized drug pusher. I don't think the doc was the one to give him the final dose... but at the same time I doubt he was doing anything to curb his destructive habit.

I'm not exactly sure how liable he's gonna be.

[whottt]

Still feel the joke was lame and the pedophile debate could go on for a while with no clear cut resolution.

As far as his talent level, read the my opinion on his legacy a few posts earlier....I think that is what separates him from many innovators in music across genres. I'm not a hyperbole person myself so you won't here me throwing out the term GOAT anytime soon, but the dude really stnads alone in musical history IMO.

I probably shouldn't have carried such a hyped up tone in my previous tone and if you don't celebrate any aspect of his life that's your right, but the "I have more important things to do outside of focus on his death yet I'll still post in a thread about it" seems kind of contradictory to me.

I'm going to disagree with the statement that there is no one like him...


There are two other performers in American Music history like him and they had arguably greater success than he did.


Bing Crosby and Elvis Presley.


Bing Crosby was the top star in every medium, radio, film, music, he has the best selling single of all time still, he was an Oscar winning actor, he was the highest paid music artist and actor for many many years. And he changed the music industry, creatively and commercially.


However he lived to be old.



Elvis Presley has more #1 hits as a solo performer than any other single artist, he has more top 10 hits...

And in addition to all that, Elvis was the highest grossing, highest paid actor in Hollywood for an entire decade. If you combined the careers of Michael Jackson, AND Tom Cruise?

You would approximate the career of Elvis Presley, and he didn't die old.


And believe it or not, the reaction to Michael Jackson's death pales in comparison to when Presley died.

You literally could not get away from the news that Elvis died when he died.

Elvis was so big that his death completely erased the death of Groucho Marx, an iconic star in his ownright that occurred on the same day. In fact his death eclipsed that of Crosby's death two months later. Because 2 months later everyone was still talking about Elvis' death.

And he also changed the music industry creatively and commercially.


So no, he really wasn't the only one of his kind.

[florige]

Okay! Why is it, that this douche anytime something happens to any black person, he comes out from whatever hole he was in? wtf is it with this guy???

What did he designate himself the family spokesman now or something?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/27/michael.jackson/index.html


Pop star's family wants answers, Jesse Jackson saysStory Highlights
NEW: Civil rights leader says behavior of Michael Jackson's doctor raises questions

NEW: Family should seek independent autopsy, Rev. Jesse Jackson says

Michael Jackson's body taken to undisclosed mortuary late Friday

Dr. Deepak Chopra says he confronted Michael Jackson about prescription drug use

updated 16 minutes agoNext Article in Entertainment »

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LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Michael Jackson's family suspects that the singer's personal doctor, Conrad Murray, knows more about Jackson's death, but they have been unable to contact him, the Rev. Jesse Jackson told CNN on Saturday.


The Rev. Jesse Jackson, left, meets with Michael Jackson's father, Joe, right, and another man Friday.

The parents need to know what happened in the last hours of Michael Jackson's life, Jesse Jackson said. Murray is believed to be the last person to see Michael Jackson alive.

"The routine inquiry is now an investigation," Jesse Jackson said. "They [the Jacksons] didn't know the doctor. ... He should have met with the family, given them comfort on the last hours of their son."

Police, who met briefly with Murray after the singer's death, have been able to reach him and are trying to set up an interview, Los Angeles Deputy Police Chief Charlie Beck told the Los Angeles Times on Friday. Police said the doctor has been fully cooperative.

Detectives impounded Murray's car, which was parked at the singer's rented home, because it may contain evidence related to Michael Jackson's death.

Police have released no information on what they may have found.

Michael Jackson died Thursday, and an autopsy was performed the following day. The body was taken to an undisclosed mortuary Friday night.



Jesse Jackson visited the family compound in Encino, California, on Friday.

"I talked with Mrs. Jackson and with the father, Joe, and she could not fight back the tears. She said, 'My baby is gone. Michael was such a good son. I loved him so much. I miss my baby.'" Watch Jesse Jackson detail the family's concerns »

The family wants to hear Murray's account of what happened, but they can't locate him, Jesse Jackson said.

"The doctor's bizarre behavior here is creating all these suspicions," he said. There are lingering questions, such as: 'How long had he stopped breathing? How long had he been unconscious?'"

He said the family may decide to pursue its own inquiry.

"At this point it [the investigation] is very incomplete," he said. "... They need an independent autopsy to get even more answers to questions that are now being driven by the gap between when Michael was last seen alive and [when] he was pronounced dead day before yesterday."

The possibility that Michael Jackson was taking medication that could have contributed to his death at age 50 weighs heavily on people close to the star.

In 2005, after he was cleared on charges of child molestation, Jackson spent a week at a center run by Dr. Deepak Chopra, a physician who focuses on spirituality and the mind-body connection.

During that week, the pop star asked Chopra for a prescription for a narcotic, the doctor told CNN.

"I said, 'What the heck do you want a narcotic prescription for?'" Chopra said. "And it suddenly dawned on me that he was probably taking these and that he had probably a number of doctors who were giving him these prescriptions, so I confronted him with that. At first, he denied it. Then, he said he was in a lot of pain."

Chopra said he told Jackson that there were plenty of other ways to handle his pain, but that Jackson was not convinced.

He blamed Jackson's death on drug abuse, though he offered no direct evidence.

"When you have enough drugs in your system, your heart goes into an arrhythmia and your respiration stops," he said. "I think the drugs killed him."

Brian Oxman, a former lawyer for the Jackson family who was in the emergency room Thursday, also expressed concern about medications the pop star was taking.

"I talked to this family about it, I warned them -- I said that Michael is overmedicating and that I did not want to see this kind of a case develop," Oxman told CNN's "American Morning" on Friday.

He referred to Anna Nicole Smith, the former model and reality television star who died of an overdose in 2007.

"I said, 'If that's what's going to happen to Michael, it's all going to break our hearts.' And my worst fears are here," he said.

Oxman emphasized that he did not know what killed Jackson, and was not making accusations against anyone. Watch high-profile guests discuss Jackson »

Jackson was in cardiac arrest when paramedics took him Thursday from his home to Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, where the music idol was pronounced dead at 2:26 p.m. (5:26 p.m. ET).

In a 911 call released Friday, an unidentified caller told a dispatcher to send help. He told the dispatcher that Jackson was not breathing and Jackson's doctor was performing CPR on a bed. Listen to the 911 call »


Jackson had been preparing for a comeback tour -- aimed at extending his legendary career and helping him to pay off hundreds of millions of dollars in debt.

Jackson is survived by his three children, Prince Michael I, Paris and Prince Michael

[sonic21]

When is it going to stop???!!!!! Jeeesss, every f*cking second, every minute, hour all day and night long the only thing you hear and see is MICHAEL JACKSON. The man is dead, enough already, it's too much.

So go read something else or change your channel to something else. No one is forcing you to watch any of it. Poor little you.

[ballhog]

Farrah Fawcett died yesterday and went to heaven...she met God and .
Farrah asked that all the little children on earth be safe.


Michael Jackson died shortly after.

[E20]

Hmmm... did Michael convert to Islam?

I remember hearing his brother Jermaine say at the end of his statement that he hopes Allah watches over him.

Unless that's a Jehovah's Witness thing...

Jermaine Jackson is a confirmed Muslim. And there was speculation that MJ converted like a couple months ago, but that speculation should be taken with the upmost skepticism.

[CosmicCowboy]

Farrah Fawcett died yesterday and went to heaven...she met God and .
Farrah asked that all the little children on earth be safe.


Michael Jackson died shortly after.


:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Heath Ledger]

Rip jacko



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[phyzik]

Cg-o7t93-iE

BDwxb5zaRRU

[MiamiHeat]

very sad. shouldn't have happened yet. too young

[jaffies]

Don't know if someone has mentioned this one yet:

my absolute favorite MJ video.

MJ vs. MJ

13ZGZexsaFo

[Cheese]

Sucks if true....http://awkwardstar.wordpress.com/200...chael-jackson/

[CosmicCowboy]

bad link

[Cheese]

bad link

My bad...Here it is again...http://awkwardstar.wordpress.com/2009/06/27/jordan-chandler-admits-he-lied-about-michael-jackson/

[CosmicCowboy]

LOL

He got paid. Jacksons dead. He can now say he didn't have gay gropes with MJ. That was predictable. Might even be a movie deal in it for him.

[manufan10]

LOL

He got paid. Jacksons dead. He can now say he didn't have gay gropes with MJ. That was predictable. Might even be a movie deal in it for him.

If it was true that he lied, why did he wait until after the death to "admit" to lying. I'm not saying Michael Jackson is guilty or innocent, and I do believe people were just out to get money. I also don't know if the "report" is accurate since it's on someone's blog. I would be more apt to believe that he really said it if it was from a News outlet.

[phyzik]

My bad...Here it is again...http://awkwardstar.wordpress.com/2009/06/27/jordan-chandler-admits-he-lied-about-michael-jackson/

pretty fucked up if this is true.

[Sp Ginobili 20]

Wow. That's messed up.

[jman3000]

Not really all that surprising. It was obvious from the get go that the family was after money.

Even without the whole "child molester" cloud hanging over him... he was still doing things that were really weird. I'm not sure if that had never happened things would have been all that different.

[IronMexican]

I hate those fucks looking for the quick pay. I never believed MJ was guilty. Even though it's a couple years late, this is still vindication for the Jackson family.

[manufan10]

Not really all that surprising. It was obvious from the get go that the family was after money.

Even without the whole "child molester" cloud hanging over him... he was still doing things that were really weird. I'm not sure if that had never happened things would have been all that different.

Yeah like doing things like this:

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Entertainment/images-2/michael-jackson-dangling-baby-son.jpg

I wonder what the conditions of his brain were. I wonder if he had some kind of mental problems.

[Heath Ledger]

It's from someones blog probably an MJ sympathizer, it has not hit any mainstream media outlet so until its confirmed with several its just bullshit in my book.

[Heath Ledger]

Heres another story about a guy from the UK who never demanded hush money. Apparently he was believed to be the first young boy whom Michael had strange dealings with.


Terry George leapt up excitedly as the phone rang. It was 9pm and he knew exactly who it would be… the most unlikely best friend a 13-year-old boy could have.

It was none other than his pop idol Michael Jackson, who had been calling his Leeds home like clockwork for the past five months after striking up a bizarre relationship.

But this time the besotted young fan’s excitement soon turned to shock and embarrassment as Jacko’s voice crackled down the line.

“He’d ring at 9pm on the dot three times a week and we became like best friends,” Terry recalled. “But on this night he sounded different. The line went quiet and I asked if he was still there.

“Then, suddenly out of nowhere, he asked me if I masturbated and that if I did, did I use cream? I was puzzled

and said no. I said I didn’t know what he meant.

“When I paused he said, ‘Would you believe that I am doing it right now?’ and I could hear down the line he was making strange noises. It made me feel confused and uncomfortable.”

Yesterday Terry – now 42 and a multi-millionaire businessman – said: “Michael was a musical legend and genius. But what he did when I was a teenager was wrong.”

He was the first victim of the star’s obsession with children which would ultimately cripple his career.

Jacko, accused of abusing several young boys, was never convicted of any crime. But multi-million-dollar pay-offs to families and a warped insistence that it was OK to share his bed with boys has left a permanent stain on his legacy.

It was in 1993 that young Jordan Chandler claimed in a police statement he was abused at the singer’s Neverland ranch.

Yet more disturbing allegations followed. Jacko’s obsession with children started when he befriended Terry in 1979.

They met when the youngster turned up at his hotel and asked his idol, then 21, for an interview.

“He invited me into his hotel room and we got on brilliantly,” Terry said. “As I went to leave he invited me to hang out with him the next day at the hotel.

“We would sit and giggle and laugh together. It was clear he was happier to be around children than adults and enjoyed their company.”

Before Jacko flew out he asked Terry for his telephone number so they could keep in touch.

“It made me feel special. I got a buzz knowing I had a direct line to a celebrity so I agreed and he promised he would ring me.”

Just a week later came the first of Jacko’s regular calls from America. Terry recalled: “He’d often ask if my parents were in. And when I explained that they had gone out to play bingo he would relax.

“We would chat for hours about silly stuff.He’d sing songs to me down the phone and we’d talk nonsense. We became like best friends.”

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Then, only months into their friendship, Jacko abused his trust with the call encouraging Terry to pleasure himself.

“He knew that I wasn’t happy with what he had done and that I felt uncomfortable about it.”

However, they stayed in touch, taking turns to call. That ended when Terry rang up a massive bill and his parents’ line got cut off. In 1981 they met face-to-face again in the UK – but this time Jacko was frosty. “I’ve no idea why his attitude towards me had changed,” Terry said.

They lost contact soon after. Then, suddenly in 1993, Terry got a call from LA detectives on the Chandler case.

Terry said: “The police told me that they felt Michael’s behaviour started with his friendship with me.

“Although I knew what he did was wrong I believed him to be a very confused person rather than a paedophile.”

Yet the investigation which followed suggested a very different story. Dozens of children and former staff, including cancer survivor Gavin Arvizo, came forward claiming he’d abused kids.

He was accused of forcing kids to drink “Jesus Juice” – wine in Coke cans – and watch porn in a hidden room off his bedroom.

His alleged victims claimed the King of Pop pleasured himself in front of them – and insisted on “teaching” them how to do it.

At a trial that followed, Jacko was found not guilty of all the charges.

Yet friends say the claims sent him retreating into his own secluded world.

Earlier this year in a shock call to Terry, Jacko laid bare his misery.

Terry said: “He phoned me out of the blue and we both made our peace about what had happened in the past. I’ve forgiven him for what happened.

“He told me he had been under a lot of pressure recently. I think he was a very confused man who never grew up and lived a tormented life.”

He went on: “He said that people were forced to say things that they later regret.

“But he insisted his love for children was entirely innocent.”

Terry also revealed that Jacko had taken a strong interest in the website he’d founded, Gonetoo soon.org – where users post tributes to people who die young.

“He had been on the site and said he was touched to see some of the messages,” he said. “It had left him very sad and emotional.

“It’s unbelievable that three months on he is dead. After all the strain and torment he has lived through I thought he would live forever. And I am sad that he is gone.”

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[whottt]

I think the reason he became weird is because the only people he interacted with were greedy klingon or obsessive fan types. When that is all you see of humanity, of course you are going to fucking withdraw from it. Especially if you are pretty much shy in the first place.

He isn't the first, Elvis Presley became that way, Michael Jordan became that way.



Add in the fact that not only he, but all his brothers were always saying they didn't have normal childhoods, that they were working while watching all the other kids playing..

And what does the man who has everthing he can possibly have want? He wants what he thinks he never got.


I mean the dudes best friends were Elizabeth Taylor, who also never had a typical childhood due to stardom, and Macauley Caulkin who also had a drieven parent and really didn't have a childhood.

I think he wanted to hangout with what he percieved to be normal kids and be a kid himself, and with others who also missed out on that choldhood, because it was what he didn't have...

Unfortunately, once you reach a certain level fame and wealth, you can never have anything normal again because of greedy klingon types or obsessive fan types. Truly normal people don't want any part of that circus.

Truly normal people also aren't going to loan their kids out, or be bought off when they think they have been molested.



I look at it, and truly, the last thing I would ever want to be is some ultra famous celebrity. Because the only people you will ever meet are greedy or obsessed, and you spend your life surrounded by a bunch of weirder asshat kilngon leech types that want to prove they know you, as if it somehow makes them more important or something...or greedy people trying to claim your material wealth for themselves.


The biggest of the big stars, are always ridiculed.

Jackson got ripped because his face got so fucked up...Elvis because he got fat.

It's happened to Britney Spears as well...


Every single move you make, is caught on camera...and it's those same obsessed fan types that claim to love you out of one side of your face, judging you afterwards...and even the fans that are in love play a part in driving the media frenzy...the media goes after what people tune into to, and obsessed fan types tune into bad news just as fast as they do good news.




What's weird to me...is idolizing another human being and thinking somehow you will become more important by proving you know them.

I do not get the obsessed fan mindset.

I do not understand wanting the autograph of someone...lol, either the ones that keep it, or the ones that sell it.

Whether it be waiting hours in a sea of humanity to get an autograph or some other proof of knowing, as if it will somehow change your life....or simply following every single freaking aspect of the life of a celebrity.


That is what's fucking weird to me.

[greywheel]

My bad...Here it is again...http://awkwardstar.wordpress.com/2009/06/27/jordan-chandler-admits-he-lied-about-michael-jackson/


I doubt this is true. I pretty sure the MJ estate could sue them for this.

[Heath Ledger]

Im sure it was some sort of publicity stunt to drive traffic to the blog.

[TDMVPDPOY]

wasnt mj also a humanitarian vocalists at the peak of his career?

[howbouthemspurs]

He wasnt a pedophile! He just liked kids. There is still no proof that he did anything wrong, just speculation from sick minded individuals such as ourselves. Because the world covets vulgarity, it is so easy to believe that a person who seems so completelly different can be something people will hate. He was the biggest money maker in the past four decades, so of course the rats will come out to get a piece. Money was always the issue and that was it. People who hate him, hate him soley because the media told them to hate him. He was the biggest star in the history of music entertainment so of course the media is going to attack him, its what they do. And we are dumb enough to listen, and we are gullible enough to believe blatent lies told about him. Anything that he did wrong (in which if it happened to typical person it would just be a human mistake)would be blown way out of proportion by the media. Hes done more for the world then the media will ever give him credit for. He may have not been a war hero, he may have not been a saint and he may have not been perfect (I mean who the fuck is?) but you cannot deny that if you were to meet him that you wouldnt lose your breath in wonderment and awe. Meeting him would be like meeting martin luther king or John f Kennedy to even President Obama. His celebrity was out of this world, far beyond anyone has ever been and will ever be. It is just sad that that became his down fall.

[boutons_deux]

His nanny "said", fwiw, that she pumped his stomach out several times over the years.

BigPharma has lost one of its best customers, but there 10s of Ms of BigPharma suckers around.

I see where he had lupus and vitiligo, both auto-immune diseases.

Lupus is systemic inflammation, attacking arteries and heart, kidneys, lungs, brain.

CVD caused by lupus kills many in their 40s and 50s.

I wonder if the full autopsy will ever be published.

[whottt]

He wasnt a pedophile! He just liked kids. There is still no proof that he did anything wrong, just speculation from sick minded individuals such as ourselves. Because the world covets vulgarity, it is so easy to believe that a person who seems so completelly different can be something people will hate. He was the biggest money maker in the past four decades, so of course the rats will come out to get a piece. Money was always the issue and that was it. People who hate him, hate him soley because the media told them to hate him. He was the biggest star in the history of music entertainment so of course the media is going to attack him, its what they do. And we are dumb enough to listen, and we are gullible enough to believe blatent lies told about him. Anything that he did wrong (in which if it happened to typical person it would just be a human mistake)would be blown way out of proportion by the media. Hes done more for the world then the media will ever give him credit for. He may have not been a war hero, he may have not been a saint and he may have not been perfect (I mean who the fuck is?) but you cannot deny that if you were to meet him that you wouldnt lose your breath in wonderment and awe. Meeting him would be like meeting martin luther king or John f Kennedy to even President Obama. His celebrity was out of this world, far beyond anyone has ever been and will ever be. It is just sad that that became his down fall.


He did a lot of good things with his money and he tried to set a good example...


At the same time, he was totally self centered, superficial, and governed almost totally by his ego. And he definitely had plastic surgery to alter his appearance, and not all of it because of the diseases or injuries he claimed he had.


I don't think he was as bad or whacked out as his critics say, at the same time, he was far from the innocent victim Saint his fans claim he was as well.


He screwed a lot of people over in the business world on the way to getting all that money he gave to charity and he hungered to be the biggest star in the world, there never anyone he was on the stage with that he didn't do something to ensure in some small way that he was the major star, and it worked for him. He definitely wanted to be the biggest most successsful star in the world, and most of the misforutunes that happened to him are because he got just that, and the good and the bad that went with it.

[whottt]

BTW, I do think Michael Jackson is capable of faking his death, in fact that was one of the first things I thought when it was first announced...if any celebrity was truly going to fake their death, it would be Michael Jackson.

He had financial and PR troubles, not to mention an overbearing burden of fame...


But not only that he knows exactly how iconic stars become when they die before their time, and Michael Jackson wanted to be iconic perhpas more than any other performer in history.

[mavs>spurs2]

BTW, I do think Michael Jackson is capable of faking his death, in fact that was one of the first things I thought when it was first announced...if any celebrity was truly going to fake their death, it would be Michael Jackson.

He had financial and PR troubles, not to mention an overbearing burden of fame...


But not only that he knows exactly how iconic stars become when they die before their time, and Michael Jackson wanted to be iconic perhpas more than any other performer in history.

How exactly would he hide? That face is so distinguishable, he could hide out in the remote hillside of Buttfuckistan and the media would still be all over that.

[whottt]

How exactly would he hide? That face is so distinguishable,

Which face is that? Michael Jackson doesn't have a distinguishable face. Show me what his face looks like currently. Then show me what it looked like 3 years ago.



he could hide out in the remote hillside of Buttfuckistan and the media would still be all over that.

Not really.


His face is so fucked up from plastic surgery no one knows exactly what he looks like....


Not only that but just spent a couple of years in the ME...every ruler over there has a body double.

You never read the story about the guy who escaped from Iraq that had been made to look like one of Saddam's sons?

Those guys do that shit all the time over there.

Michael Jackson would be the easiest person in the world to disguise, because even Michael Jackson doesn't look like Michael Jackson.

And it'd also be easy to slap a fucked up pale face on a cadaver.

[ballhog]

How exactly would he hide? That face is so distinguishable, he could hide out in the remote hillside of Buttfuckistan and the media would still be all over that.

:lmao

[tlongII]

I hope Whott doesn't think MJ faked his death. That would be a new level of absurdity that I haven't seen here before.

[whottt]

I don't know that he did of course, I just think it's definitely something he was capable of doing. I do think he wanted to be a star that badly.

[DoubtingThomas]

I have NO doubts MJ is deader than Creed's come back attempt.

[whottt]

I stand by my rationale for speculating. I definitely think it's something Michael Jackson is capable of doing, and he had plenty of reasons to want to do it.


Whether he actually did it or not, well, we'll never know, unless he actually did do it, and if he did I think we'll find out eventually.


One thing I do know, if they show Jackson in his coffin, not a person in this thread will be able to claim with 100% certainty that the person they show is definitely Michael Jackson based on the appearance of the corpse. Because you don't know what he's supposed to look like, it changes.

[monosylab1k]

Would it be easier or harder to diddle little boys when everyone thinks you're dead? If Michael is still alive he must think it will be easier.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

It just has not sunk in yet that Jacko is dead. Just goes to show you how larger than life he is...especially the way 99% of america probably thought at one point it was a faked death.

He's going to live forever as a legend though.

[manufan10]

I think it's possible. Most artists' album sales increase after they die. He can make a lot more money now that he's "dead." Who knows. The guy was truly messed up in the head, and could pull it off. I don't know if it's true or not, but I could speculate. He just got his name back in the spotlight again. Yes, it's mere speculation, but I'd probably believe it more once he starts releasing new music like 2pac. :lol