Manu looks gassed...

[exstatic]

His legs are totally dead, and it's affecting his jumper, which is allowing teams to clog the lane and strip him. He had SEVEN turnovers tonight, mostly because he had to force the action inside.

Three days off couldn't come at a better time.

[Jdspur20]

the whol team looks tired. i'm glad they have 3 full days off.

[SequSpur]

Manu is not very good any more. How bout being a little more proper with your description.

[E20]

You know what fixes tiredness?

http://bolt.badassbuddy.com/images/buddies/badassbuddy_com-boobies!.gif
:eyebrows

[exstatic]

How about cutting the guy a break? He's been playing bball for like 20 months straight! Recognize, Oompah Loompah...

[SequSpur]

WGAF. If the Spurs do well in the playoffs, he may play another 30 games. If he can't handle that then GTFO.

Look, last year Hedo started because he couldn't last a full game.

All I give a crap about is winning and this guy is stinking it up every other game. I watched him in the 3rd and 4th tonight and the dude was C O M P L E T E L Y out of control.

With me its simple, you show up, you play, you bust ass, you sit on the bench if you play like Manu.

I just watch, he fills up my opinion all by himself.

Manu sucks.

[E20]

The reason Hedo started was to boost his confidence up.

[Ginofan]

The three days off will definitely be a godsend. He looked very tired and just kept shooting that three i was about to die of fustration.

[SequSpur]

Tiredness in an NBA game is the lamest excuse I have ever heard. Again, if you can't show up every day to play 48 minutes of basketball, hell, not even every day, and every 5 minutes there is a commercial break or a timeout and you are gassed?

Bro, I have better reasons than that............

Manu tries to make to much shit happen. A L W A Y S.

That is his problem.

That might be a big problem.

Dude needs to back off the Oscar Meyer and chill out.

[GoSpurs21]

the problem is sequ wouldnt know what heart is even if Bruce Lee ripped out Sequ's heart and showed it to him

Sequ = resident bitch
what else is new

[E20]

Sequ you're fucking dumb an average man in fair~good shape will get gassed out playing 10 minutes of hard on basketball against other average men in fair~good shape, now you're telling me that no one has the right to get tired in Pro Ball, when you're racing down the court and full speed, bumping against other players playing defense stretching yourself everywhere, heck Kobe need 20 CC's of fluid during the playoffs.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Call me a Manu Apologist if you want, but IMO we need to sit Manu until Tim comes back. He's killing himself out there right now trying to take up the slack, step into the leadership role, represent his country, etc.

Rest him until Tim comes back.

We are sunk in the playoffs without Tim and Manu, we need to get them healthy for the postseason.

[Ginofan]

Call me a Manu Apologist if you want, but IMO we need to sit Manu until Tim comes back. He's killing himself out there right now trying to take up the slack, step into the leadership role, represent his country, etc.

Rest him until Tim comes back.

he doesn't need to sit he just needs his minutes limited. The three days off will be good but again he shouldnt be playing more than 25 minutes a game until tim is back.

[san antonio spurs]

Tiredness in an NBA game is the lamest excuse I have ever heard. Again, if you can't show up every day to play 48 minutes of basketball, hell, not even every day, and every 5 minutes there is a commercial break or a timeout and you are gassed?

Bro, I have better reasons than that............

Manu tries to make to much shit happen. A L W A Y S.

That is his problem.

That might be a big problem.

Dude needs to back off the Oscar Meyer and chill out.
actually this man finally said something with a lil sense on it.
manu seemed to confuse playing with alotta heart and forcing issues.
but he'll be aight.
he doesn't suck.
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[GoSpurs21]

Call me a Manu Apologist if you want, but IMO we need to sit Manu until Tim comes back. He's killing himself out there right now trying to take up the slack, step into the leadership role, represent his country, etc.

Rest him until Tim comes back.

We are sunk in the playoffs without Tim and Manu, we need to get them healthy for the postseason.even though Manu needs rest, he is the spark on this team. If you take him out for a couple of games the Spurs will lose and Manu will be tortured because he wants to play so bad. You cant take that away from him.

[SequSpur]

Sequ you're fucking dumb an average man in fair~good shape will get gassed out playing 10 minutes of hard on basketball against other average men in fair~good shape, now you're telling me that no one has the right to get tired in Pro Ball, when you're racing down the court and full speed, bumping against other players playing defense stretching yourself everywhere, heck Kobe need 20 CC's of fluid during the playoffs.


Exactly.

When are the Bullshit excuses going to stop? How about just saying Manu you have basically stunk up the court ever since you were nominated as an allstar? With the exception of a few TNT games?

Dude, I just watch the game, Manu provides the opinion.

I am all for success, but this dude doesn't have it.

At least not in April. (The last month of the season)

He's ready for vacation now?

The fun hasn't even started.

[E20]

Yeah I'm all for letting Manu rest or reducing his minutes untill Tim get's back, we could improve the bench and seeing what Glover, Wilks, Marks etc can provide.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Let him be tortured, he'll come out with his hair on fire in the playoffs.

[CHAMPS AGAIN]

Manu is not very good any more. How bout being a little more proper with your description.

sequ did you go to the game,if yes how was the crowd noise at the end of the game

[SequSpur]

No, I don't go to games anymore until Pop and the Spurs organization quit lying about injuries and what the direction of this team is.

From what I saw on TV, the last few possessions everyone was standing up screaming.

That's the way it always is in close games.

[gregpschneid]

Yeah Sequ and manu really stunk when he led the team to a gold medal over in athens.

Sequ you obviously never played basketball if you can't appreciate Manu. So he is struggling a little right now, he is playing through injuries and without him the spurs aren't anything.

[gregpschneid]

No, I don't go to games anymore until Pop and the Spurs organization quit lying about injuries and what the direction of this team is.

From what I saw on TV, the last few possessions everyone was standing up screaming.

That's the way it always is in close games.

I say Sequ coaches the spurs!! He really knows his basketball

[SequSpur]

Yeah Sequ and manu really stunk when he led the team to a gold medal over in athens.

Sequ you obviously never played basketball if you can't appreciate Manu. So he is struggling a little right now, he is playing through injuries and without him the spurs aren't anything.


Great. Now that Argentina won the gold, I should praise Manu and be quite sure that the Spurs will definitely win the championship. :rolleyes

:lol

Gold Medals aren't NBA Championships.

I appreciate what Manu brings, but I also appreciate the fact that he sucks right now and should be sitting or resting or playing tiddly winks.. I don't care, I am just sick of the Manu loving after multiple 4+ turnovers per game and thinking that because he can pass the ball behind his back to the cameraman and throw down vicious dunks, that he is excluded from being criticized.

Fuck that.

[bigbendbruisebrother]

This message is hidden because SequSpur is on your ignore list

[smeagol]

Sequ = Idiot. So, what's new?

[gregpschneid]

well, i agree he isn't playing his best basketball, but whining isn't very productive. The point is the spurs won this game!

[SequSpur]

Sequ = Idiot. So, what's new?


Sure Smeagol.

Manu = Hot dog and turnover King. :princess

I can play the = game all night.

How bout explaining the bs play tonight and some lame ass gold medal excuse?

What was the crossover dribble into the defense for a turnover to damn near lose the game if it wasn't for the real star in Brent Barry?

Bailed out again.

If the Spurs lost this game, I think its time to start breaking out the Manu Criticize Baton.

He deserves it.

[smeagol]

I appreciate what Manu brings, but I also appreciate the fact that he sucks right now and should be sitting or resting or playing tiddly winks.. I don't care, I am just sick of the Manu loving after multiple 4+ turnovers per game and thinking that because he can pass the ball behind his back to the cameraman and throw down vicious dunks, that he is excluded from being criticized.
Whatever Sequ.

This team would probably be in a 8 game loosing streak if it weren't for Manu. We would have lost the game against Houston for sure and probably the game against the Hawks too.

So please, STFU.

[CHAMPS AGAIN]

No, I don't go to games anymore until Pop and the Spurs organization quit lying about injuries and what the direction of this team is.

From what I saw on TV, the last few possessions everyone was standing up screaming.

That's the way it always is in close games.

you went to the spurs-rocket game,but you make it sound like you stop going to games long time ago.do the SPURS a favor and fans a favor get out of this forum you f^cking LOSER :elephant :elephant :elephant

[smeagol]

Sure Smeagol.

Manu = Hot dog and turnover King. :princess

I can play the = game all night.

How bout explaining the bs play tonight and some lame ass gold medal excuse?

What was the crossover dribble into the defense for a turnover to damn near lose the game if it wasn't for the real star in Brent Barry?

Bailed out again.

If the Spurs lost this game, I think its time to start breaking out the Manu Criticize Baton.

He deserves it.
Manu is not playing a stretch of his greatest basketball but he is still bringing it every night and he is having some very decent games. He had very good games against the Hawks and the Rockets. Even yesterday, when the team stunk as a whole, Manu posted a stat line of 13 / 9 / 6. Today his shooting was off (it has been off for a while) and he had way to many assists, but he had 8 boards and 6 assists, i.e. he is trying to do otgher things to win the game.

If you can't see what Manu brings to the team, even when he is having off nights, then you are either (a) blind, (b) you know nothing about the game, or (c) you are an idiot.

Even TD had a stretch in January where he was not playing well. Some stupid poster (WBoM) where calling him out. And your lover, TP, also has off games (remember the PHO game, where you are quoted saying "Give the ball to Manu and get of the way!").

So what is your point? Manu's TOs?. I agree, they are a little on the high side. But he compensates each and every night with other aspects of the game.

Manu is a fucking steal for the Spurs at $52MM/6. So quit complaining. You sound like a fucking sissy. Every other post of yours is to complain about Manu, about Rasho, about Beno, about Pop, about the Spurs' organization, about Holt, man it does get tiring to read your garbage-posts.

The only thing you seem to have going in your favor is that the people who know you personally say you are a nice guy. Irrespective of that, your on-line persona is really dumb.

[timvp]

Manu needs to come off the bench to help conserve his minutes. This is getting painfully obvious.

Also, Pop needs to erase that Manu top of the key iso from the playbook. Manu goes for the same crossover move and defenders have adjusted.

[SequSpur]

Whatever Sequ.

This team would probably be in a 8 game loosing streak if it weren't for Manu. We would have lost the game against Houston for sure and probably the game against the Hawks too.

So please, STFU.

Yeah right.

Manu is nothing without Duncan.

[smeagol]

Yeah right.

Manu is nothing without Duncan.
Sequ are you so stupid you can't even read a simple two liner?

The games I mentioned, Hawks and Rockets, where we won because of Manu, TD was not playing (he was and still is injured, remember?)

[Kori Ellis]

Well in the post game, Pop said that Manu is the most competitive player that he's ever been around. Obviously Manu made some mistakes tonight, but in the end, he does what he needs to do to win.

[Solid D]

Manu needs to come off the bench to help conserve his minutes. This is getting painfully obvious.

Also, Pop needs to erase that Manu top of the key iso from the playbook. Manu goes for the same crossover move and defenders have adjusted.

Remember, defenders can adjust easier with Duncan out of there. Defenders cannot leave Timmy. TP is finding it harder to finish inside too with all the sagging and spies being sent to him and Manu (i.e. Camby last night) Plus, with Horry setting the screen out high late in games, the spacing is better...honoring both Timmy inside and Horry on the pick and pop at the top. When Timmy comes back, spacing will be better for Manu and TP to do their thing.

Manu is beat up and tired but he still saw leads lost while he sat and leads gained while he was on the floor. He still created a lot plays for others with sags and rotations, even though they all didn't end up as assists. Too many turnovers with 7... but 8 rebounds, 6 assists and 2 steals was enough energy to create points for the Spurs and some empty trips for the Lakers at key moments down the stretch.

[Kori Ellis]

The Spurs have 3 days before the next game. This break will help everyone, but especially Manu.

[Manu20]

Then they have 6 games in 8 nights.

[TDfan2007]

All of you Manu homers need to :stfu

The guy played like shit today and yesterday and should be criticized for it.

He wants to be a leader, then lead by example, he almost lost us the game with that TO against LA.

He had 6 assists and 7 turnovers against the Lakers today, for a gaurd, that is inexcusable.

I understand that he's hurt, but if he's hurt then he shouldn't be playing, we really need this guy at 100% come playoff time because Tim most likely won't be (I believe that w/ Manu and Tony at 100% and Tim at 70-80% we can still win the championship).

[E20]

SequSpur
http://www.lockitupoffroad.com/Clubpics/yo-homo.jpg

[TDfan2007]

Manu needs to come off the bench to help conserve his minutes. This is getting painfully obvious.

Also, Pop needs to erase that Manu top of the key iso from the playbook. Manu goes for the same crossover move and defenders have adjusted.

That's because he always goes to his left. A good defender should be able to stop it.

[Solid D]

If Manu would have played better the Spurs would have won by more. They came out uninspired and tired-looking and had to work themselves back into the game. They competed.

The Spurs still won. Manu still has scoreboard.

I'll sympathize with him this time, just like I did with Timmy when he stunk out loud in mid-season.

[Solid D]

That's because he always goes to his left. A good defender should be able to stop it.

You will be proven wrong and quieted, I can almost guarantee that. It probably won't even take one game to do so.

[Solid D]

"Man, if my wife wanted to take a day off, I would tell her to get in the kitchen and make me some pie."
-SequSpur

Gino, this is still one of my all-time favorite Sequtterances. I have a feeling, if his wife Pseudofan really wanted to...she'd have him wearing an apron every night, although the pie thing may be a little out of his league. :lol

[smeagol]

I will say it one more time for tghe people who can't seem to read (Sequ, TDfan2007). Manu has not been playing well since the NJ game when he injured his groin. Nevertheless, he was still been bringing it EVERY SINGLE NIGHT.

We was the reason we won a couple of games last week. Shit, he was the reason there was a glimer of hope of winning the game against Denver (he singlehandedly put the game withing reach before Pop yanked him layte in the 3rd Q).

You guys choose to se the glass half empty, i.e. the last TO when we almost lost the game against LAL. And that's what sticks in your mind. Whatever. As Solid put it well. Even TD stunk it for a period of time.

[smeagol]

Well in the post game, Pop said that Manu is the most competitive player that he's ever been around.
Well, that doesn't help little Napoleon. He thinks Pop is an idiot anyway, so his (Pop's) qualified opinion means nothing to him.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The guy played like shit today and yesterday and should be criticized for it.


He almost had a triple double today (and I'm not counting turnovers), yeah that's horrible...



He had 6 assists and 7 turnovers against the Lakers today, for a gaurd, that is inexcusable.

Nice selective stat taking. Manu almost threw out a triple double. Guys like AI, Kobe, JKidd, etc. have games with more turnovers than assist, I don't see anyone calling for their heads (well, Kobe's another topic altogether, but my point remains the same).

[Das Texan]

Manu needs a vacation.


Unfortunately we just gotta find a way to get him the most rest possible and then tell Manu to take the fuck off this summer and dont play basketball at all.

[Athenea]

... tell Manu to take the fuck off this summer and dont play basketball at all.
He won't. That's a given.
Besides it's not like he has been playing non stop for 20 months. 32, at least.

[T Park]

until Pop and the Spurs organization quit lying about injuries and what the direction of this team is.

what the fuck?

What injuries are they lying about and what are they lying about what direction??

You make a bag of wet hammers look intelligent.

[NCaliSpurs]

Parker doesn't get near as much leniency as Manu gets.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

Manu had 7 turnovers but he also caused 4-5 turnovers from the lakers. Without manu, the spurs lose around 5-10 more games. But manu's style of play and taking the hits he takes WILL lead to fatigue.

[donkey2400]

Well in the post game, Pop said that Manu is the most competitive player that he's ever been around. Obviously Manu made some mistakes tonight, but in the end, he does what he needs to do to win.

Well, this is high praise. It is kind of surprising considering the talent pop had over the years

[charmie21]

whatever you people say.. whatever condition manu is in now.. he is still a GREAT player!! He's not the MVP in the 2004 Olympics for nothing u know...

[adidas11]

Talking about Manu....read my signature.

[Kori Ellis]

"I knew Ginobili would try to go to his left hand and I waited," Butler said. "I read it. I'm glad they did not call me for a foul because (Ginobili) flops a lot. I then went full court and finished." ---> Caron Butler

"And then I went home a loser."

[T Park]

Did he mention how he flopped and should've gotten an blocking foul on the barry shot??

Or are you gonna ignore that too Lottery kid.

[danyel]

Manu sucks.

So you think Manu sucks, we get it. We got it the first 100 times you posted it, its getting annoying.

Stop whinning for a second and realize that the Spurs have the 2nd best record in the league, are favourites to make it all the way and the starting line up is set for the next 5 years or something, if you don't like it, go find some other team to whine about.

I don't think the Spurs or even Manu is the problem, its like you were expecting for the Spurs to lose or not winning the championship.

By the way, Manu is 17th, tied with TP, in TO/48mins, check out some of the players ahead of him: Iverson, Kobe, Wade, Lebron, Nash, Melo.

[bigbendbruisebrother]

By the way, Manu is 17th, tied with TP, in TO/48mins, check out some of the players ahead of him: Iverson, Kobe, Wade, Lebron, Nash, Melo.

Nice.

[smeagol]

Did he mention how he flopped and should've gotten an blocking foul on the barry shot??
Good point TPark.


Or are you gonna ignore that too Lottery kid.
:lmao :lmao :lmao

[gregpschneid]

So you think Manu sucks, we get it. We got it the first 100 times you posted it, its getting annoying.

Stop whinning for a second and realize that the Spurs have the 2nd best record in the league, are favourites to make it all the way and the starting line up is set for the next 5 years or something, if you don't like it, go find some other team to whine about.

I don't think the Spurs or even Manu is the problem, its like you were expecting for the Spurs to lose or not winning the championship.

By the way, Manu is 17th, tied with TP, in TO/48mins, check out some of the players ahead of him: Iverson, Kobe, Wade, Lebron, Nash, Melo.

Great post!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Manu should get more leniency than Tony. Manu brings it every night for one thing.

For another, he's playing on a sore groin. Tony's healthy.

[Ginofan]

"And then I went home a loser."

Lmao, nice Kori. :lol

Manu sells the fouls, it's being crafty...nothing wrong with that. But I can understand their fustration...Vlade Divac ring a bell?

[Frenchise player]

Manu should get more leniency than Tony. Manu brings it every night for one thing.

For another, he's playing on a sore groin. Tony's healthy.
Great post AHF, just a good way too boost this thread and to turn in a Paker against Ginobili thread.

I just can't remember the last game when Tony scored less than 10 points. Just admit that 7 TO and 4-12FG is a bad game for Ginobili.
You say that he had almost a trile-double. How 8 points, 8 rebounds and 6 assists are close to a triple-double? Tp was closer and I didn't see you saying that he had a great game.
Weren't you the one that was saying tp is a 3/4 ? How did you like the 7 points in the last 5:30?
His stats weren't that bad too when you were claiming that he wasn't a leader.

[TMTTRIO]

So you think Manu sucks, we get it. We got it the first 100 times you posted it, its getting annoying.

Stop whinning for a second and realize that the Spurs have the 2nd best record in the league, are favourites to make it all the way and the starting line up is set for the next 5 years or something, if you don't like it, go find some other team to whine about.

I don't think the Spurs or even Manu is the problem, its like you were expecting for the Spurs to lose or not winning the championship.

By the way, Manu is 17th, tied with TP, in TO/48mins, check out some of the players ahead of him: Iverson, Kobe, Wade, Lebron, Nash, Melo.

Good one :lol . By the way I guess they miss their biggest flopper Fischer

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I never said that Tony was a 3/4 guy.

Again, I love Tony and his game, but over the last two years (and really the '03 playoffs as well) Manu has had a bigger impact on this team.

And yeah, I'm going to give Manu the benefit of the doubt. Have you ever pulled your groin before? I did once in high school and I couldn't even get up the stairs at school, let alone go out and play ball. I've seen players in HS, college, and pro with the same injury as Manu sit out for weeks. Manu is out there battling with NBA players.

[Frenchise player]

I don't think that his injury has been affecting his game lately. He played as good as in any game this season against Houston and the 3rd quarter against Denver. Maybee he is tired but if that is the case, I am really worried about the Playoffs, he was recovering fom his injury for almost 2 weeks, if he didn't get healthy then, he will not have the time to be before the playoffs.
How can you say that Manu had a bigger impact the last two years? Parker played more, has better stastistics and winned all by himself 2 games against the Nets in 2003 and 2 games against the Lakers last year. Kidd even gave him props for his performances and Jackson focused his defense in stopping Tony. Why Manu had a bigger impact?

[danyel]

I agree with Frenchise player, why does every Manu thread turn into a Manu vs TP thread?

How can you compare two different players playing two different positions? how do you know what does Pop ask of them? Of course their impact in games is going to be different, Manu doesnt play PG (or at least not anymore) and TP doesnt play SG.

If you like Manu more than TP for whatever reason, or viceversa, it doesnt mean you can prove it with stats, or with some games perfomance, you just do.

[smeagol]

Manu vs. Tony threads are getting old. It has been said 1MM times, but
I will say it again. They are both Spurs.

ENOUGH ALREADY!

[Im Here Huckleberry]

if sequ's wife wanted to put on a strap on and use it on him, he would bend over in a heartbeat
Niiiiiiice :lol

[angel_luv]

"And then I went home a loser."


Good one Kori! =)

[T Park]

Ginobili gets more leniancy cause hes stepped up more IMO than Tony has.

IMO, these three days off are a godsend for Ginobili.

Now if the Spurs could get an easier win wednesday and somehow only play Ginobili about 20 mins and save him for Dallas thursday.

They might have to sit him down a couple games again too.

[Frenchise player]

Manu vs. Tony threads are getting old. It has been said 1MM times, but
I will say it again. They are both Spurs.

ENOUGH ALREADY!



Ginobili gets more leniancy cause hes stepped up more IMO than Tony has.


Why can't you understand?
I would like to now if you are counting the games where Tony and Manu steped up.

[SequSpur]

If Ginobili can't play a full season in the NBA without going into the tank, then maybe he should go back to Europe and play 40 games and STFU.

[ALVAREZ6]

if sequ's wife wanted to put on a strap on and use it on him, he would bend over in a heartbeat
sequ would bend over for anyone...including Rasho.

[pjjrfan]

Manu did have a lot of TO's the last two games, but he still makes a lot of good things happen, and he works harder than anyone on the floor. If he sucks he is the kind of sucking player I'd want on my team anytime.

[danyel]

If Ginobili can't play a full season in the NBA without going into the tank, then maybe he should go back to Europe and play 40 games and STFU.

Sure...because he isnt helping at all, Spurs suck with him. Sequ wants someone who plays like an allstar, doesnt make turnovers or silly mistakes and brings it every game. I'm sorry to disapoint you, but there is only one Tim Duncan, and he isnt going to play all five positions...

Sequ, I would seriously recomend you to wait until the season is over before bashing Manu this bad, you could end up looking like an ass and there is no jumping back into the Manu bandwagon now...

[SequSpur]

Manu is not an allstar, he is a role player. One day the masses will wake up.

[danyel]

Oh..I'm sorry Sequ, thanks for opening my eyes. I thought Manu being picked to the all-star game meant that he was an allstar, silly me, its probably a language gap.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Manu is not an allstar, he is a role player. One day the masses will wake up.
I wonder if Sequ would be man enough to tell all that to Manu's face! I'd bet my life he's a coward.

[T Park]

He is a coward.

If Ginobili came up to him right now, hed stammer and stutter so bad youd think he was a retard with a hairlip.

Ginobili IS an all star. he has earned it, and I believe if Pop does the right thing and rests him down the stretch, that hell be a huge force in the playoffs.

[boutons]

The is entire, unending story "Manu can't play because he's too tired" is really worrying.

He's in the prime of his career, basically healthy again, and playing only 30 MPG, he still can't keep up. There's something fundamentally unblanced and screwed up there.

He's got to learn to pace himself better, a pace more suited to his conditioning and abilities, so he can stay on the floor. Playing at a break-neck pace will break his neck.

Looking at Shawn Marion tongiht, he seems to be able to score, monster rebounding, steal, drive, run the break, etc. Just as active as Manu, and we don't here about Shawn being useless on a 2nd of B2B, or needing 3 days between games, etc. the way Manu needs coddling and resting.

There are plenty of "active" players in the NBA, but why is that Manu needs so special handling, why is Manu uniquely so fatiguable?

[Solid D]

Even a small child would know that Manu is a great player. Sequ's pulling chains.

[Dre_7]

He is a coward.

If Ginobili came up to him right now, hed stammer and stutter so bad youd think he was a retard with a hairlip.


:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Jimcs50]

Even a small child would know that Manu is a great player. Sequ's pulling chains.


True, I just asked my 7 yr old neighbor and she said she said that Manu was a great player, and anyone should know that, except people that were shorter than she was. So Sequ is off the hook.

[TMTTRIO]

If Sequ wasn't such a coward, maybe he should go and leave a nice long message for Manu on his website that he reads pretty often. I dare him to do it :lol

[CHAMPS AGAIN]

Manu is not an allstar, he is a role player. One day the masses will wake up.

Everyday when I come to this forum I know that sequspur is an ASS HOLE one day all the masses will wake up, oh everybody knows that already :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant

[smeagol]

If Sequ wasn't such a coward, maybe he should go and leave a nice long message for Manu on his website that he reads pretty often. I dare him to do it :lol
Good point, TMTTRIO.

Sequ, you can even do it in English, British Boy.

[TMTTRIO]

Wow I'm amazed that Sequ did go and post on his website but next time you might want to try and post it under messages for manu :lol

[smeagol]

Wow I'm amazed that Sequ did go and post on his website but next time you might want to try and post it under messages for manu :lol
Funny he didn't use the big talk he spews here. No hot dog references. Pretty ass kissing post, IMO.

Here it is.

"I have read many articles and opinions that you are tired and need rest. Is that true? Are you prepared to play in the playoffs?

I don't think this is the case, because I have never seen or heard of an NBA player complain of being tired especially playing for the best organization in basketball and the frontrunner to win the championship.

Aren't there enough timeouts, commercials and breaks during the course of an NBA game?

or is this just typical media excuses to cover up deficiencies?

We hope you are ready for the playoffs, because it looks like we are going to need you more than ever.

Go Spurs."

[Nikos]

Aside from the obvious: Manu playing balls out for 30 minutes per game plus, and the fact that he took part in the Olympics for the past two seasons I have a guess or two as to what makes him so "exhausted".

1.
- Perhaps he is a bit lacking in upper body strength in comparison to most the athletic guards in the league who drive to the basket a lot and absorb contact? And maybe getting bumped and thrown around makes him real sore and tired, considering the guy goes to the FT almost as much as any guard in the league relative to his shot attempts.

I know his legs also have become tired in the past, but I have to beleive that is the strongest part of his body on the court. Those long strides require a lot of thigh strength, especially considering how well he balances himself and how much explosiveness he gets out of them on a daily basis. The upper body is probably the section that is most lacking in strength. And having stronger upper body can get him more easy baskets via post up or even a better chance at drawing a foul on his 'poor man's reggie miller jumpshot into the defender'.

2.
-Perhaps the Olympics are finally catching up to him? Maybe the practices were much more strenous than say an NBA practice, and the idea of playing the past two seasons from Feb 2003 (when his ankle injury did not keep him out of play anymore) to April 2005 has finally caught up with him?

3.
-He has poor natural cardiovascular endurance, and part of that comes from lack of upper body strength (at least for someone who drives to the basket as much as he does)? Maybe he lacks some overall core strength?

4.
-Manu is just an honest guy, and is very expressive about his physical state. Obviously players get tired over the course of a season, and maybe the fact that he has played nonstop since February 2003 has become a self-fulfilling prophecy with him. Maybe deep down he wants to pace himself, but his pride tells him 'no, I have to play my game for 30 minutes rather than 40 minutes of semi-coasting'.

Perhaps it is a combination of strength/endurance issues, and being a bit too expressive about his 'state of tiredness'. Again it might partly be an issue of pride and going with the self-fulfilling prophecy. Maybe deep down he could pace himself a bit more and last a few more minutes per game, but then again he might just have too much pride not to play his hardest every minute on the court?

Players such as Dwayne Wade and Shawn Marion who are also 'do it all" types are probably tired as well, but they have stronger upper body and overall CORE strength to compensate and withstand consistent contact while still performing their same explosive energy every night on both ends of the floor.

[SequSpur]

Ha!

[smeagol]

Ha! . . . what?

[SequSpur]

Ha! Blow me.

[smeagol]

Not sure why . . .

Your letter to Manu was very different to the shit you spew about him here.

Oh well . . .

[Solid D]

^ Got zeros on his essay tests in school.

Miss Landers' note on little Sequ's paper: Young man, is that all you can say?"

[SequSpur]

:depressed

[Solid D]

Okay...you can come out of the corner now.

[Rummpd]

Nikos I am glad you are not an exercise physiologist or a doctor. Upper body strength has nothing to do with cardiac or aerobic fitness, in fact a case can be made that the reverse is true.

The guy just gives it his all every second on the floor period. He has the body of an athlete just more of a soccer type, lean long muscles which are often surprisingly strong = power from the speed they generate as much as the mass. Don't under-estimate his leg strength, few players can hand in the air as long as he can to do reverse dunks etc. at times.

[Nikos]

If you read my post you would notice that I said his best physical asset is his LEG STRENGTH.

I'm sorry, but Wade and Marion play JUST as hard as he does for 10 extra minutes per game over an 82 game season and they aren't always mentioning how tired they are, and how they can't practice. True, we do not know what goes on behind the scenes, and for all we know Wade and Marion could be just as tired. But I would like to think Manu can last into the playoffs when only playing 30mpg in the regular season.

I think Manu is a bit lacking in upper body strength, and he has to exert more energy to make baskets underneath in traffic. Those long strides get him nice seperation, but do you ever notice how Manu's body moves when he tries to draw a foul on the perimeter? He tries to purposely absorb contact and his entire body gets thrown like a rag doll. Maybe part of it is acting, but he doesn't seem to elevate, absorb contact and maintain good balance. His balance is in his leg strength and strides, not in rising and absorbing contact. True he contorts his body very well, and uses angles as well as anyone in the league. But he isn't exactly the type to take a bump, keep rising with strength and score the basket, at least not consistently at the NBA level. Perhaps its because a lot of the times he tries to draw fouls he is already really tired and forces the action too much?

If you say that body strength has nothing to do with it, then I guess he has a below average cardiovascular endurance?

You mean to tell me that Marion and Wade do not use up as much energy in an NBA game, if not more than Manu? Especially considering they play considerably MORE minutes?

[TMTTRIO]

By the way did ya'll see this quote from T-Mac the other night after the loss to the Suns :blah

"I feel like I'm about 40 years old," McGrady, 25, said. "I have tendinitis in both of my knees, and it's really painful. It's hard to run and to explode, to do what I do on the basketball court. It's really bothering me right now. It's killing me." :blah :blah :blah :blah

[wildbill2u]

Nikos I am glad you are not an exercise physiologist or a doctor. Upper body strength has nothing to do with cardiac or aerobic fitness, in fact a case can be made that the reverse is true.

The guy just gives it his all every second on the floor period. He has the body of an athlete just more of a soccer type, lean long muscles which are often surprisingly strong = power from the speed they generate as much as the mass. Don't under-estimate his leg strength, few players can hand in the air as long as he can to do reverse dunks etc. at times.

Upper body mass isn't particularly good for speed & endurance because of the extra weight although it is useful for other things. Forget the BS about he 'goes all out' because he's been doing that for his whole career without being physically depleted.

Frankly, I'm a little concerned because he hasn't been bouncing back to full physical condition even after a three day layoff. Most well-conditioned athletes, especially basketball players, are rejuvenated after a few days off. I worry that there might be some underlying medical condition that hasn't been diagnosed--like anemia or mono.

[Nikos]

I am not sure how upper body strength relates to endurance, but if it does have an adverse affect, than I further cannot understand why Shawn Marion and Dwayne Wade can exert the same energy as Manu for 40 minutes and not be as physically exhausted as Manu.

If less upper body mass works in Manu's favor, then why is he so darn tired? Is it just natural lack of endurance, or could he just be really expressive and honest about his physical shape, whereas other players keep quiet about it?

Or is it just the extended period of not having rest since December/January of 2002-03, the point in time where he was coming off injury?

[boutons]

"Most well-conditioned athletes, especially basketball players"

And he said last October he basically did nothing, got out of shape between Athens and training camp. (And remember how he amazed everybody at the start of this season?) That should be more than enough time for an uninjured pro athelete in his prime to "recover from Athens". And remember, he probabbly didn't do much between getting blown out by the Lakers in May and a few Olympic practices in July, and watched over by Pop.

As I've said elsewhere, if Manu can't keep up with a low pace of only 2.5 qtrs per game, then something is really screwed up somewhere with Manu.