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Artest93
06-26-2009, 03:32 PM
"One direction they should avoid is re-signing Kidd, who will be a free agent. If people close to Kidd are to be believed, he doesn’t want to come back to Dallas, either."

http://www.star-telegram.com/287/story/1455278.html

DPG21920
06-26-2009, 03:42 PM
Dallas is royally screwed if this is true.

hater
06-26-2009, 03:43 PM
:lmao

xtremesteven33
06-26-2009, 03:43 PM
Kidd will be a Laker. Book it.

iggypop123
06-26-2009, 03:44 PM
he also wants to be paid. only option is if portland gives him 8 million

xtremesteven33
06-26-2009, 03:45 PM
he also wants to be paid. only option is if portland gives him 8 million



Kidd has all the money he needs already. He wants a ring. The Lakers have the talent to assure him he will win with them.

Thunder Dan
06-26-2009, 03:46 PM
He wants to come play with Lebron and JJ Hickson in Cleveland

ginobili's bald spot
06-26-2009, 03:46 PM
Kidd will be a Laker. Book it.

I hope you are right. Dude is washed up but still a big upgrade over the trash we have at PG.

mattb_25
06-26-2009, 03:47 PM
I hope he does leave, not because I dont like him, but because of how much I dislike Cuban and Donnie. What makes them think that Kidd wants to stay in Dallas when there are other, better teams out there who want him. I'd love to see a S&T deal go down but who knows, I'm not sure if our FO is capable of anything like that.

Muser
06-26-2009, 03:47 PM
Kidd in L.A would be scary.

Mugen
06-26-2009, 03:47 PM
im all for jkidd going to the lakers.

mavs>spurs2
06-26-2009, 03:48 PM
Great fuckin trade! :tu DONNIE!!! Cuban!!!

Spursfan092120
06-26-2009, 03:48 PM
wow...Mavsfan is crying right now...losing Kidd...draft Beaubois.

layupdrill
06-26-2009, 03:49 PM
Kidd a Laker?
With what money are you planning on paying him?

xtremesteven33
06-26-2009, 03:49 PM
im all for jkidd going to the lakers.


Me too. And you know Kobe has been lobbying for Kidd for years now. Even now at his advanced age i think he believes Kidd would be an upgrade over Fisher even though i disagree with that.

sonic21
06-26-2009, 03:50 PM
Kidd to NJ for Devin Harris and two first round draft picks :tu

mattb_25
06-26-2009, 03:53 PM
Well atleast we know we have the second coming of Kidd with JJB! And soon Rajon Rondo 2.0 in that Beaubois guy. We'll be alright guys!

Mugen
06-26-2009, 03:54 PM
Me too. And you know Kobe has been lobbying for Kidd for years now. Even now at his advanced age i think he believes Kidd would be an upgrade over Fisher even though i disagree with that.

Fisher in the clutch > Jkidd in the clutch

i also think Fish plays TP tougher than Kidd even though neither can really stop him.

ginobili's bald spot
06-26-2009, 03:56 PM
Fisher in the clutch > Jkidd in the clutch

Of course. But Kidd > in everything else.

It's a moot point though because we aren't getting him.

ElNono
06-26-2009, 03:57 PM
:rollin

I'm waiting for Mono's reaction...

mattb_25
06-26-2009, 03:58 PM
Dude Kidd hit quite a few clutch 3 pts last year.... Not sure how many Fisher did though, except for the ones I saw in the last game(I believe) against the magic .

JamStone
06-26-2009, 04:20 PM
Kidd to NJ for Devin Harris and two first round draft picks :tu

+1

Was just about to post that.

iggypop123
06-26-2009, 04:21 PM
kidd is still good but i think he has some family troubles with some slut wife so for him to take the LLE and play for us cheap i doubt will happen

dirk4mvp
06-26-2009, 04:24 PM
Hey did you guys know the Mavericks traded Devin Harris to the New Jersey Nets for Jason Kidd last year before the trade deadline?

La Peace
06-26-2009, 04:29 PM
Mavs shouldn't resign him. Its not a good fit. He's at his best lobbing passes to Athletic finishers and the Mavs have Erick Dampier.

Thunder Dan
06-26-2009, 04:30 PM
Hey did you guys know the Mavericks traded Devin Harris to the New Jersey Nets for Jason Kidd last year before the trade deadline?

The Mavericks beat the Spurs in the Playoffs......Devin Harris never did that.

IronMexican
06-26-2009, 04:32 PM
2006 breh

JamStone
06-26-2009, 04:39 PM
He can't go to Cleveland because LeBron would feel threatened since he's the best player in the league and Kidd being the second best player in the league.

Banzai
06-26-2009, 04:44 PM
Kidd a Laker?
With what money are you planning on paying him?

monopoly money.

21_Blessings
06-26-2009, 05:01 PM
Kidd a Laker?
With what money are you planning on paying him?

Lakers just made 4.5 million in the draft :)

baseline bum
06-26-2009, 05:03 PM
Kidd has all the money he needs already. He wants a ring. The Lakers have the talent to assure him he will win with them.

If Kidd gave a crap about winning, he would have joined the Spurs in 2003. Kidd wants to get paid and will be in Portland.

baseline bum
06-26-2009, 05:06 PM
I hope you are right. Dude is washed up but still a big upgrade over the trash we have at PG.

The trash that hit the two biggest shots of the season to give you the 3-1 lead in the Finals? I hope you're right too... I'd much rather see Fisher shipped out of town and Kidd taking those shots.

Findog
06-26-2009, 05:10 PM
I don't see the Lakers resigning BOTH Ariza and Odom, and then giving Kidd their MLE. I could be wrong, but we'll see.

Findog
06-26-2009, 05:15 PM
From one of the capologists at db.com:


It's not about Dallas as a place to live - it's still about the money. When writers go on and on about how Kidd's priority must certainly be a title - and then spin him to this destination or that as they feel like doing - my belief is they really haven't been paying attention. Kidd has said it in every conceivable way that he's looking for the team that will pay him that contract. If the NBA favorites want him enough to pay him top dollar, then sure that's his ideal. But he understands his biggest payday will come from a team that needs his skills, and that will be a contender - so he wants the contender that wants him the most, as evidenced by the check they'll write.

21_Blessings
06-26-2009, 05:15 PM
The trash that hit the two biggest shots of the season to give you the 3-1 lead in the Finals? I hope you're right too... I'd much rather see Fisher shipped out of town and Kidd taking those shots.

Lakers still win the series without those shots. Fisher was absolutely terrible the rest of the playoffs and was the main reason why Houston series went to 7 games. He's not really starter material.

Just because Kidd comes to the team doesn't mean Fisher wouldn't be in the game when the Lakers need a big shot. That's actually the perfect role for Derek Fisher. Player/Coach playing limited minutes off the bench, similar to Shaw late in his career.

Mitch made the mistake in 2003 by not upgrading the roster. I doubt he makes the same one again.

Indazone
06-26-2009, 05:16 PM
Dude just needs to retire

ElNono
06-26-2009, 05:18 PM
Kidd wants dough. Divorces are expensive, especially for wife-beaters.

Findog
06-26-2009, 05:20 PM
If Kidd gave a crap about winning, he would have joined the Spurs in 2003. Kidd wants to get paid and will be in Portland.

He's not going to Portland for a big payday. I predict he resigns with Dallas for 3 years and $27 million.

21_Blessings
06-26-2009, 05:24 PM
9 million a year for a guy that will be 38 in 2-3 years? I guess Cuban is as stupid as he looks if he does that.

ginobili's bald spot
06-26-2009, 05:39 PM
The trash that hit the two biggest shots of the season to give you the 3-1 lead in the Finals? I hope you're right too... I'd much rather see Fisher shipped out of town and Kidd taking those shots.

Apparently you didn't watch the rest of the season.

DUNCANownsKOBE2
06-26-2009, 05:41 PM
If the Laker don't get Kidd I know of a certain Canadian faggot that could start for them. Same goes for Dallas, actually more so since all Nash cares about is sword fighting with his friends like Dirk for example.

Basketballgirl25
06-26-2009, 05:50 PM
Kidd to NJ for Devin Harris and two first round draft picks :tu

and why would the Nets do this? They just traded Vince Carter

Basketballgirl25
06-26-2009, 05:58 PM
The Mavericks beat the Spurs in the Playoffs......Devin Harris never did that.

Then the Mavericks lost to the Nuggets:toast

jack sommerset
06-26-2009, 06:03 PM
The Mavs should not want him with the roster they have. 1 year and a half they got out of that trade.....:lol

stretch
06-26-2009, 06:30 PM
what the fucking fuck fuck dammit fuck shit fuck :bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang

mavsfan1000
06-26-2009, 06:54 PM
I hope they trade him to the worst team in the league. :lol

mavsfan1000
06-26-2009, 06:56 PM
Another epic win for the Mavs
It was an epic loss from the beginning. Seeing him leave would not make things worse. He can hardly do shit anymore.

Biernutz
06-26-2009, 07:08 PM
Just think, Donnie Nelson is the Mav's brain thrust in Dallas since his dad ran out to GS.
He's is not a yes man to Mark Cuban? No way------ Nice job Donnie---

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb270/systime/Gifffs1234/excellent.gif

crc21209
06-26-2009, 07:25 PM
L.A. can not afford Odom, Ariza, AND Kidd. So I'm not to sure about him going to L.A.

Dex
06-26-2009, 07:29 PM
This is what you get for '06 and '09, bitches.

Basketballgirl25
06-26-2009, 07:55 PM
I hope they trade him to the worst team in the league. :lol

I'm not Mavs fan, but if the Mavs did trade him to the worst team in the league that would be awesome and I would cheer for the mavs in that case, after he demanded a trade last year I have said(this will get back at him and he won't win in Dallas)

Spurtacus
06-26-2009, 08:12 PM
lol Kidd. He sees Jefferson, Shaq, VC get traded...he wants to be traded to a contender now. Mavs are always pretenders.

Shank
06-26-2009, 08:13 PM
3 yrs, 24 with the final not fully-guaranteed is the word around now.

DPG21920
06-26-2009, 08:54 PM
We dont need Kidd, and any team that he chooses to play with will not make a bit of difference when they play us. We have more than enough money to sign them if we want to.

KBP forum.

dirk4mvp
06-26-2009, 08:57 PM
The Lakers wouldn't absolutely blow balls at PG if they had Kidd insteas of what's their faces.

Thompson
06-26-2009, 09:04 PM
3 yrs, 24 with the final not fully-guaranteed is the word around now.

Do you want that to happen?

DPG21920
06-26-2009, 09:06 PM
The Mavs need that to happen in order to have any chance. Then they need other moves. But only having the MLE to offer in FA would ruin them. There is no one out there. Bibby?

Leetonidas
06-26-2009, 09:18 PM
Doesn't matter where Kidd goes. Tony Parker is gonna eat him alive.

Findog
06-26-2009, 09:18 PM
3 yrs, 24 with the final not fully-guaranteed is the word around now.

I was close...I said 3 years, 27 mil.

baseline bum
06-26-2009, 09:20 PM
Apparently you didn't watch the rest of the season.

And yet the biggest game of the season Fisher rescues you guys from the brink of 2-2. Horry used to do the exact same shit for the Spurs, and there's no way in hell I wanted to lose him (I'm still pissed Finley was brought back instead of Rob last year).


Lakers still win the series without those shots. Fisher was absolutely terrible the rest of the playoffs and was the main reason why Houston series went to 7 games. He's not really starter material.

Just because Kidd comes to the team doesn't mean Fisher wouldn't be in the game when the Lakers need a big shot. That's actually the perfect role for Derek Fisher. Player/Coach playing limited minutes off the bench, similar to Shaw late in his career.

Mitch made the mistake in 2003 by not upgrading the roster. I doubt he makes the same one again.

If Kidd goes to LA they'd have to find someone to take Fisher's contract. Buss can't afford the kind of payrolls Cuban, Paul Allen, and Cablevision are famous for. Do you realize how expensive that team is going to be to bring back without him spending the MLE or shedding expiring contracts in trade? Did you not just see LA selling their draft picks last night?

Shank
06-26-2009, 09:51 PM
I was close...I said 3 years, 27 mil.

8 per with the last year not full is far better than 9 per.

Ditty
06-26-2009, 11:51 PM
no i was hoping this would be the same mavs team going into next year jj barea as there point guard very nice!

mavs 5
dampier,dirk,howard,terry,barea

worse bench then the spurs

bass the number one guy off the bench cuz he will want the whole MLE

wow bad offseason so far for the mavs

Ditty
06-26-2009, 11:54 PM
lakers starting 5 next year
bynum,pau,walton,kobe,fisher

wow yall might not be that good after all if ariza and odom walk and kidd will hopefully good for a big pay day with a bad team in the east :)

Findog
06-26-2009, 11:55 PM
no i was hoping this would be the same mavs team going into next year jj barea as there point guard very nice!

mavs 5
dampier,dirk,howard,terry,barea

worse bench then the spurs

bass the number one guy off the bench cuz he will want the whole MLE

wow bad offseason so far for the mavs

The Mavs have until Training Camp to turn the Stack/Dampier contracts into something good. Until then, I'll hold off on the pitchforks. Not optimistic, but I will cut them some slack until then.

Donnie Nelson
06-26-2009, 11:56 PM
Doesn't matter where Kidd goes. Tony Parker is gonna eat him alive.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=290423006

Ditty
06-27-2009, 12:00 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=290423006

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=290420024

Donnie Nelson
06-27-2009, 12:02 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=290420024
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=260522024

manu the best
06-27-2009, 12:05 AM
it would be great if kidd goes to cleveland ...

Ditty
06-27-2009, 12:20 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=260522024

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=230529006

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=270614005

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=260620006

:lol

dirk4mvp
06-27-2009, 12:21 AM
Congrats, Heat fan.

Ditty
06-27-2009, 12:22 AM
Congrats, Heat fan.

okay grizzles bandwagoner

dirk4mvp
06-27-2009, 12:24 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=281214029

Ditty
06-27-2009, 12:34 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=281214029

very nice :toastmaybe the grizzles would of at least took the heat to 7 games:lol

o well rebuilding time dirk

they need to get rid of howard first and terry second 2 big egos

IronMexican
06-27-2009, 12:44 AM
Right now, Spurs have as much hope as Dallas. That bench is shit. I don't understand why spurfan is so optimistic.

dirk4mvp
06-27-2009, 12:45 AM
They just drafted a player who at the very least is a stronger Charles Barkley. Why wouldn't they be?

Findog
06-27-2009, 12:48 AM
Summer is still young. You think James Posey would've signed with Boston if KG and Ray Allen hadn't arrived first in trades? Adding Jefferson and Blair closes the gap with LA...and makes San Antonio a much more attractive destination for the guys who can be had for the MLE and LLE. And don't forget they're going to get Bowen back for the vet minimum and a 15 minutes per night role. Very impressed with the Spurs offseason so far. That is a FO that plans ahead and puts itself in a position to succeed.

DPG21920
06-27-2009, 01:59 AM
Right now, Spurs have as much hope as Dallas. That bench is shit. I don't understand why spurfan is so optimistic.

Typical LA elitism. The Spurs are known for having a competent front office. They will make other moves.

ezau
06-27-2009, 02:03 AM
Hahahaha. Look at how Cuban fucked up the Mavettes in the arse hahaahahahahaha

Ghazi
06-27-2009, 02:24 AM
I will be very sad if Kidd leaves. Kidd resigning is essential to contending, assuming moves were on the horizon.

I'm starting to get a sinking feeling in my gut though. The top teams seem to be getting so strong, what moves are out there even for the beloved Mavs that could vault us to elite status? definitely some nice names... but would it be enough?

These may be sad days in Mavs land folks, sad days indeed.

TDMVPDPOY
06-27-2009, 03:41 AM
THIS totally fucks up the mavs roster imo

you basically traded away harris for this wanker, for 1 years rental now his bolting....

shouldve kept harris...

Lars
06-27-2009, 03:43 AM
These may be sad days in Mavs land folks, sad days indeed.

Luckily, sad days in Mavs land are happy days everywhere else :downspin:

NewJerSpur
06-27-2009, 03:48 AM
Luckily, sad days in Mavs land are happy days everywhere else :downspin:

:tu

Shank
06-27-2009, 08:40 AM
And don't forget they're going to get Bowen back for the vet minimum and a 15 minutes per night role.

Don't be so sure about that.

Shank
06-27-2009, 08:40 AM
Typical LA elitism. The Spurs are known for having a competent front office. They will make other moves.

Scola.

Spursmania
06-27-2009, 09:00 AM
I couldn't believe they traded Harris for Kidd. And now Kidd wants out? That's just messed up. I'd be so pissed if I were a Mav fan.

BUMP
06-27-2009, 09:05 AM
Right now, Spurs have as much hope as Dallas. That bench is shit. I don't understand why spurfan is so optimistic.

D'juan Malone

steal of the draft!!:ihit:ihit:ihit

Basketballgirl25
06-27-2009, 02:31 PM
Luckily, sad days in Mavs land are happy days everywhere else :downspin:

even as a Nets fan, its a happy day, I don't care if we will suck this season, watching a young team is better then watching a team that will get to the first or second round then lose every season like the Mavs, I was actually more happy watching Nets not make the playoffs last year then watching the year before when they had Kidd, Carter and Jefferson lose in the second round

VivaPopovich
06-27-2009, 03:33 PM
that sucks. so the mavs gave up harris and two first round picks for nothing.

ElNono
06-27-2009, 03:40 PM
D'juan Malone

steal of the draft!!:ihit:ihit:ihit

You would be shaking your 2K pounds of fat ass if Markie Mark would have picked him instead of Bugabuga...

da_suns_fan
06-27-2009, 06:37 PM
The Mavericks beat the Spurs in the Playoffs......Devin Harris never did that.

Was Devin Harris not around in 2006?

dirk4mvp
06-27-2009, 07:35 PM
You would be shaking your 2K pounds of fat ass if Markie Mark would have picked him instead of Bugabuga...

We already have Blair. Except he's way better and people call him the Basshole.

ElNono
06-27-2009, 07:58 PM
We already have Blair. Except he's way better and people call him the Basshole.

And Donnie is probably gonna use the entire MLE on him, only to trade him 4 months later...

cobbler
06-27-2009, 11:11 PM
Typical LA elitism. The Spurs are known for having a competent front office. They will make other moves.

Yeah... how ridiculous of the fan of the champions to think they are elite. :lmao

Spursfan092120
06-27-2009, 11:16 PM
We already have Blair. Except he's way better and people call him the Basshole.
lol hater

EricB
06-28-2009, 12:14 AM
Right now, Spurs have as much hope as Dallas. That bench is shit. I don't understand why spurfan is so optimistic.

Yeah Manu Ginobili and George Hill coming off the bench is shit.

Pipe down kid.

Banzai
06-28-2009, 12:16 AM
http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10062/wwfwtfbed.gif (http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10062/wwfwtfbed.gif)

BadOdor
06-28-2009, 12:20 AM
Yeah Manu Ginobili and George Hill coming off the bench is shit.

Pipe down kid.

Manu/duncan will need crutches when the playoffs role next year.

Lol boner.

afireinside20
06-28-2009, 04:31 AM
Scola.


Parker, Ginobili; 3 rings :toast

KSeal
06-28-2009, 06:21 AM
Kidd probably does want to leave but when Cuban's dumbass dished out some horrible contract like 11 million a year he'll stay.

Spurs Brazil
06-28-2009, 08:52 AM
Dallas Mavericks' Kidd expected to have plenty of suitors

12:43 AM CDT on Sunday, June 28, 2009
By EDDIE SEFKO / The Dallas Morning News
[email protected]

There will be a new bad guy to deal with when the Mavericks open their pursuit of re-signing Jason Kidd on Wednesday.

The New York Knicks are expected to join the ranks of serious competitors for Kidd's services for two reasons.

First, it is widely known that Kidd has an affinity for New York. He still has a home there and enjoys the area. He played for New Jersey for 6 ½ seasons before being traded to Dallas in 2008.

Secondly, the Knicks are going to start stockpiling assets to help lure LeBron James next summer. Having Kidd as their point guard, even at age 37 in 2010, would be a nice selling point.

Wednesday is when teams officially can begin talking to free agents, and Kidd is expected to get overtures from several teams: Cleveland, Portland, Boston, New York and perhaps the Lakers.

All of those teams except for Portland are stymied by the salary cap. The Knicks can only offer their mid-level exception, expected to be between $5 million and $6 million. Kidd earned $21 million last season.

The Mavericks can pay him any amount up to the league maximum. The only way the Knicks can pay him more than the mid-level exception is through a sign-and-trade. And they have few commodities the Mavericks need, given that free agent David Lee plays the same position as Dirk Nowitzki and is not a proven scorer, although he is a great rebounder.

The Mavs maintain that re-signing Kidd is a priority, and they have factors working in their favor. They can offer more money than anybody else. And Kidd worked well in coach Rick Carlisle's system, becoming the play-caller on most possessions.

The Mavs will have other concerns. Brandon Bass is going to have suitors, including perhaps Orlando, which is eager to add big bodies after acquiring Vince Carter. The Magic may also go after Rasheed Wallace in free agency, according to some reports.

Besides their free agents, the Mavericks also will have their eye on several other players in free agency.

"There's a lot of teams using rookies to fill roster spots," owner Mark Cuban said. "That means free agency might be real interesting. A couple of teams have gone into their rebuilding programs, so that changes things as well. We just have to see who's out there."

Cuban said the Mavericks are not committed to using their mid-level exception on one player; they could split it up on two or three, he said.

They could also acquire an impact scorer by trading Jerry Stackhouse's expiring contract, perhaps pairing it with Erick Dampier's contract, which also expires after next season.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/basketball/mavs/stories/062809dnspomavslede.3e7bf61.html

Spursmania
06-28-2009, 10:20 AM
Kidd probably does want to leave but when Cuban's dumbass dished out some horrible contract like 11 million a year he'll stay.

Yeah, I bet Cuban opens up his purse strings:lol
But, Kidd really has an affinity for the East Coast for obvious reason. So, I think New York has a good chance of landing him.

sook
06-28-2009, 10:22 AM
kidd is a cnancer

SenorSpur
06-28-2009, 12:42 PM
Kidd to NJ for Devin Harris and two first round draft picks :tu

For Mavsfan, that trade is truly the gift that keeps on giving.

Findog
06-28-2009, 10:14 PM
They had Donnie on the Mike Doocy show tonight. When did he turn into such an Uptown douchebag?

exstatic
06-28-2009, 11:26 PM
Best bullet the Spurs ever dodged. He does a pretty good job of managing his image, but at heart, he's a shallow fuck and a woman beater.

He didn't cause enough trouble his first time in Big 'D'? You hadda have him back for an encore?

Indazone
06-28-2009, 11:43 PM
Bring Back Shawn Bradly!

Good Times :)

Spursmania
06-28-2009, 11:45 PM
Best bullet the Spurs ever dodged. He does a pretty good job of managing his image, but at heart, he's a shallow fuck and a woman beater.

He didn't cause enough trouble his first time in Big 'D'? You hadda have him back for an encore?

I completely agree.

DUNCANownsKOBE2
06-28-2009, 11:47 PM
Best bullet the Spurs ever dodged. He does a pretty good job of managing his image, but at heart, he's a shallow fuck and a woman beater.

He didn't cause enough trouble his first time in Big 'D'? You hadda have him back for an encore?


Kidd's had his domestic issues but as far as I know he's never been an issue with teammates.

Basketballgirl25
06-29-2009, 08:33 AM
I'm really glad, Dallas wanted Kidd, and traded for him, yes he helpped the Nets, so when he retires I'll respect him more, but he was a moron at times off the court. On the court he is great. Glad he isn't on the Nets teaching all the young guys to act like idiots off the court

sribb43
06-29-2009, 09:03 AM
They had Donnie on the Mike Doocy show tonight. When did he turn into such an Uptown douchebag?

He is always in Uptown eating at Taco Diner and Mi Cocina and catches a movie The Magnolila....forget his GM job, he has too much fun stuffing his face with Chip and Salsa

Shank
06-29-2009, 10:23 AM
There's nothing wrong with Taco Diner and Mi Cocina.

sribb43
06-29-2009, 10:39 AM
There's nothing wrong with Taco Diner and Mi Cocina.

nope, not all...

sribb43
06-29-2009, 10:46 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=bucher_ric&page=Kidd-090629



He's still got game, but what's it worth?

There are 36-year-old point guards who have had microfracture knee surgery, and then there's Jason Kidd, a 36-year-old point guard who has had microfracture knee surgery.

Most teams would be very leery of plucking the former off the free-agent market, especially with the game becoming increasingly athletic. The latter? An array of playoff teams -- the Hawks, Blazers and Lakers, and, of course, his current team, the Mavs -- will have him up on their free-agent board as of July 1. Father Time is undefeated, but Kidd seems to have put him back on his heels, at least for the time being.

He hasn't done it with mirrors, but rather with a makeover. Once an offensive blur and a defensive clamp, he is now more about squeezing as much as he can from the talent around him by playing angles, keeping order and bolstering confidence. It's no accident that Dirk Nowitzki's post game this season had a career-high level of aggression, or that Erick Dampier shot a career-high percentage, or that Jason Terry had his best scoring season as a Maverick.

"His value is in the intangibles now as much as anything," one Western Conference scouting director says. "He gets guys to play at a higher level. He's played in the Finals; he's won gold medals. He was really the guy that set the tone last summer in Beijing."

And yet the idea that Kidd is no longer a commodity gained traction during the Olympics because his production couldn't compare to that of Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Chris Paul, Deron Williams or Dwyane Wade. Then it continued during the season with Devin Harris, who was acquired by the Nets in dealing Kidd, making the Eastern All-Star squad and various quick little guards (Paul, Tony Parker) having big nights against him.

But when all was said and done, Harris was at home watching the playoffs, while Kidd led the Mavs, not considered one of the West's top 8 in talent, into the postseason with 50 wins. One coach said he has yet to see a Kidd-led team not take the floor with confidence, no matter whom they had or were facing.

"Anybody would take Jason Kidd," one Western Conference personnel director says. "It's a matter of how much for how long."

As in, how much money for how many years a team is willing to sign him. Certainly his days as an eight-figure-a-year earner are behind him, but if last season was any indication, he doesn't have just the desire to play until he's 40. He also has the ability.

"He's not at the Karl Malone-Gary Payton one-year-deal stage yet," the personnel director says. "His physical skills have declined, but he's not anywhere near that. He's still a solid starter right now. Basketball IQ doesn't go away."

Those who have watched Kidd his entire career, or give statistical comparisons a lot of weight, might be baffled by the interest. After all, he was once one of the toughest physical matchups in the league, a defensive stopper at both guard positions and a one-man fast break, snatching rebounds and accelerating upcourt so quickly that backpedaling defenders couldn't even get in position to foul him or his wingmen before the ball was in the basket.

Now his defense consists of forcing his man into space where help is waiting, and in transition he's more of a pass-ahead guy. But even statistically, he remains a unique talent. Triple-doubles at any age are a rarity, and he had three last season. He remains the best rebounding point guard in the league. And believe it or not, he was the Mavs' most accurate 3-point shooter, during both the regular season (40.6 percent) and the playoffs (44.7). That's right, better than either Nowitzki or Terry.

"That's incredible," one Eastern Conference GM says. "I would not have guessed that."

Granted, teams dare Kidd to make 3s the way they did Bruce Bowen or do Shane Battier, figuring that's better than letting Nowitzki or Terry fire away, but the fact is, Kidd is making opponents pay now like never before.

"That guy has the heart of a lion," says an assistant GM in the West. "He should not have been able to do what he did last year. Everybody says he can't shoot, but he makes big shots. As a playoff point guard, he's still an effective player."

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06-29-2009, 10:50 AM
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