General 2010 NBA Draft Discussion

[Darkwaters]

Séraphin injured his knee in his last game.

I've barely watched French league this year (the level sucks), so I can't make you a accurate description of Séraphin improvements (or lack of). Now, he is just averaging 6/4, I guess he isn't that great.

Séraphin's agent, Bouna N'Diaye, also said today that Séraphin should directly come to the NBA and not be stashed in Europe if he stays in the draft.

That sounds like a "no thanks" to me.

[venitian navigator]

IMO, you can put players in 4 different tiers for Spurs first round pick:

Tier 1 : Players who won't be available at #20: (13 players)
Wall, Turner, Favors, Cousins, Aminu, Wesley Johnson, Aldrich, Udoh, Monroe, Ed Davis, Patrick Patterson, Henry and Hayward.

Tier 2 : Players who could be available at #20 but also have a good chance of being gone: (10 players)
Motiejunas, Orton, Whiteside, Sanders, George, Babbitt, Damion James, Avery Bradley, James Anderson, Eric Bledsoe.

Tier 3 : Players who should be available at #20 and look like legit options: (10 players)
Alabi, Seraphin, Lawal, Stanley Robinson, Ebanks, Pondexter,
Elli0t Williams, Willie Warren, Armon Johnson, Terrico White

Tier 4: Players that are a reach to be drafted at #20


I think that's one of the first drafts where we have more than thirty players (also if two of them, montejunas and Seraphin, ill probably opt out) that looks like legitimate nba players...this draft look very very deep.
Looks also that more than one team is willing to spend some money (the maximum is 3 millions, I think) for taking some low first choice and that there are also teams willing to send them (like Memphis, Minnesota for example).

Frankly, I think that, given the age of our best players, if we have the chance to do it, this could be a good year for spending some money for our future...and take potentially low cost/good players for years to come.

[Bruno]

That sounds like a "no thanks" to me.

Well, he is one of these players whose main quality is to have great physical/athletic abilities. You can put him in the same category than players like Orton or Whiteside.

Spurs have an awesome tool with the Toros to develop this kind of players. Even if it hasn't produce good results for the moment (none of Spurs' rotation players have played in Austin), it doesn't change the fact that it's a great development tool.

If Spurs fell in love for one of this player with a great physical upside or if player(s) they targeted are gone, I can see them drafting one at #20 and putting him in the Toros pipeline.

[mountainballer]

http://thehoopsmarket.blogspot.com/2010/05/minnesota-timberwolves-also-eyeing.html
Kurt Rambis continues his European tour, and attended the game of the Greek finals between Panathinaikos and Olympiakos. According to the Minnesota Timberwolves coach, his main interest in that game was, besides Nikola Pekovic, drafted by the Wolves, Linas Kleiza and Josh Childress. Rambis watched closely both players for the future, in case they decide to return to the NBA.

I post this in the general draft discussion thread, because IMO whatever the Wolves do, it will somehow affect the Spurs draft options. because of the #16 pick the Wolves own.
overall we should hope that the Wolves target either Childress or Kleiza, because this will reduce their needs and spots in the wing/forward department.
(or also raise their willingness to part with the #16 pick. might not be good news for the Spurs, if a top team with similar needs get a hand on that pick).
Wolves won't get a premium FA anyhow. Childress and Kleiza could be their best option, even if they need to overpay. both would make for them. (and both did really well in Europe this season)
would open one very interesting scenario: Gomes is a likely odd guy b/c of his contract anyhow. if they can trade him for ungaranteed contracts instead of waive him, they increase their cap space AND save about 3 million $. I guess the #16 pick goes to whoever takes Gomes off their hands. (btw. I like Gomes as a player, but he isn't worth the 4.2 million he gets. on the other hand, he would be an upgrade over Bonner and Spurs have use for such a player and limited options via free agency)

what do you guys think: Spurs are willing to spend some tax, they trade their non guaranteed contracts for Gomes plus the #16 pick. they can use either 16 and 20 or trade away #20 in another deal. at 16 they will find either Henry, Babbitt or Paul. and in Gomes they get a solid rotation player.

[mountainballer]

DX just updated their mock.
some radical changes.
(Monroe at #5, Udoh at #8, Babbitt at #12)
has us picking Hassan Whiteside.

[Bruno]

what do you guys think: Spurs are willing to spend some tax, they trade their non guaranteed contracts for Gomes plus the #16 pick.

This trade doesn't work salary wise. Gomes salary is too big.

Spurs have a nice trade asset with all these non-guaranteed contracts but I'm not sure they will use it because a trade would cost them a lot of money with the luxury tax.

[Biggems]

Since, I don't see Ian coming back, and Splitter is not a guarantee, I would love for us to acquire a couple of additional 2nd round picks......

1 - SF George
2 - G Torrance
2 - C Pittman
2 - F/C Koshwal

This way, if we are able to acquire Splitter, we will be loaded with bigs

C - Splitter, McDyess, Pittman
PF - Duncan, Blair, Koshwal
SF - Jefferson, George, Bogans
SG - Manu, Torrance, Gee/Hairston
PG - Parker, Hill, Temple

If this were our 2010-11 roster, that would be sweet.

Then next year, Jefferson walks and McDyess retires. We trade up in the 1st, to get Jordan Hamilton.

2010-11 ROSTER
C - Splitter, McDyess, Pittman
PF - Duncan, Blair, Koshwal
SF - Jefferson, George, Bogans
SG - Manu, Torrance, Gee/Hairston
PG - Parker, Hill, Temple

2011-12 ROSTER
C - Splitter, Pittman
PF - Duncan, Blair, Koshwal
SF - George, Bogans, Hamilton
SG - Manu, Torrance, Gee/Hairston
PG - Parker, Hill, Temple

[Mr. Body]

Hassan Whiteside? Yeeech.

Looks, like usual, like the cream is rising to the top. Interesting to see Monroe, Babbitt, Udoh and others getting sucked into the higher numbers.

[mountainballer]

Givony talks about rumors that Williams might have a promise from Spurs:


http://www.draftexpress.com/blog/Jon...an-Wolken-3489
-The buzz around E_liot Williams and whether he has a promise from the San Antonio Spurs

he also talks about Whitesides immaturity but what a beast he could become if he falls into the right environment. exclusively mentions the Spurs as the right situation for him.

[benefactor]

Note to Pop and RC: The Spurs need a small forward. Say it with me now......small......forward. No more guards. No brick dumb 7 foot projects. Smaaaallll forrrrwarrrrd.

[mountainballer]

hmm. yeah. but but..what if there is a player they think he's so much better than any available SF option.....
and it's guards who win the game these days...

[benefactor]

I know...was being a little sarcastic...just a little though. :)

Williams has some skills and I wouldn't cut my wrists if they picked him, but I wouldn't love it either. Pondexter is pretty much a lock to still be there at 20 and if it comes down to him or Williams I'd be disappointed to see Williams picked.

[mountainballer]

you still find Pondexter on my 2010 roster sig.........so obviously I feel similar.
however, what I don't share is the opinion that there wasn't any place for another guard on the roster. with Mason gone, there is some room. especially for a guy with good defensive potential. (like Williams has)

[benefactor]

you still find Pondexter on my 2010 roster sig.........so obviously I feel similar.
however, what I don't share is the opinion that there wasn't any place for another guard on the roster. with Mason gone, there is some room. especially for a guy with good defensive potential. (like Williams has)
Oh I agree that there is room for a guard, but Id rather see the Spurs go for a vet at guard(Romain Sato) as they rely heavily on their guards within the offense and draft a SF.

[mountainballer]

nbadraft.net just updated their mock.
damn, I shouldn't even blink.
I wonder when they start to try to consider some team needs.
we pick Sanders at #20 (pass on James, Williams, Pondexter) and Parakhouski at #49. (pass on Hobson). 2 Centers. sure we do. and bring Tiago.

Hayward at #10, Paul at #11, Babbitt at #12, and Henry at #14.

[mountainballer]

rumor that the Raptors have their hands on another pick. (they actually only have the #13 pick and no 2nd rounder).
#13 to Wolves for #16,#23?
#13 to Thunder for #21, #26, #32?



http://www.torontosun.com/sports/basketball/2010/06/01/14222586.html
Instead of sticking to some of the more widely known names eligible for the June 24 draft, the Raptors are bringing in just about anybody they can get to agree to come.

Tuesday it was potential late first- early second-rounders’ Devin Ebanks of West Virginia, Gani Lawal of Georgia Tech, Samardo Samuels of Louisville, Latavious Williams of the NBA Developmental League and two players completely off the radar in Tulsa guard Ben Uzoh and UCLA guard Michael Roll.

Though Raptors senior director of player personnel Jim Kelly was coy: “We consider everybody.” It would be a massive shock if any of the six were seriously in the mix for the club’s 13th overall selection

[Mr. Body]

nbadraft.net just updated their mock.
damn, I shouldn't even blink.
I wonder when they start to try to consider some team needs.
we pick Sanders at #20 (pass on James, Williams, Pondexter) and Parakhouski at #49. (pass on Hobson). 2 Centers. sure we do. and bring Tiago.

Hayward at #10, Paul at #11, Babbitt at #12, and Henry at #14.

I don't think nbadraft.net has ever been good at mocking situationally. Draftexpress seems to spend a lot more time talking to actual GMs and scouts and get a better idea.

Like usual, I see, all the best SF candidates are just out of reach.

[mountainballer]

rumor from DX forum (without link. maybe like the TP rumor from the Chad Ford chat)
-Chicago likes D.Jones at #17
-Boston is high on Alabi at #19

if true, good for the Spurs.

[jesterbobman]

nbadraftnet has Patrick patterson at 6.
6!

I've always been a bit wary of their accuracy overall, but 6!
Also, also like both the Boston and Chicago picks as possibilities, both for us and they seem somewhat plausible.

[DesignatedT]

I've always prefered DX over nbadraft.net but mock drafts are so unreliable its hard to take anything away from them. Especially at this point in time maybe about a week before the draft they start shaping up a bit.

[lurker23]

Interesting blog about the Atlanta Hawks and their scouting for their #24 pick:

http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2010/05/28/atlanta-hawks-dont-expect-immediate-help-from-draft/?cxntfid=blogs_hawks

One of the interesting up-shots from the article:

After those five, he said the draft becomes “very, very hard to predict” but he thinks teams can find rotation players as low as No. 20 in the order, depending on their needs. “If that player is a worker, by the All-Star break they will be giving you some minutes,” he said.

The talent drops off after those top 15 or 20. So unless the Hawks move up in the order, Pendergraft doesn’t expect this draft to be deep enough for the Hawks to find a player who’s ready to contribute now.

Another interesting point, one that we (as Spurs fans) have already noticed when scouting the swingmen:

Is this draft deep with shooters?

“No,” Pendergraft said. “That’s the [freakin'] problem. There are bunch of guards but not a lot of shooters. There are some good players but they can’t make shots. And the better shooters can’t play a lick of defense.”

[Mr. Body]

That's a pretty sound assessment by the Atlanta press. This class seems overrated to me. Of course there will be exceptions but there seems to be a lot of dross throughout the last two thirds of the round.

[yavozerb]

That's a pretty sound assessment by the Atlanta press. This class seems overrated to me. Of course there will be exceptions but there seems to be a lot of dross throughout the last two thirds of the round.

I agree that it might be slightly overrated, but coming from one of the worst drafting organizations in the league makes this statement pretty much irrelevent.

[lurker23]

Is it June 24th yet?

[Blackjack]

I mean, really. :wakeup

Hopefully I can get the rest of the awards going pretty soon. A Spurs fan can only take so much of Lakers-Celtics.

[mountainballer]

another podcast of Givony, this time talking to a guy from Blazersedge.
of course mainly about Blazers related points.
interesting: asked about a possible move up scenario, Givony mentioned that there are a lot of activities in the late lottery and that several picks in that region seem to be on the market. mentioned especially the #10 pick from Indiana and the #13 pick from Raptors. other picks likely on the market: #12 (Grizzlies) and #16 (Wolves), maybe even #8 (Clippers).

once more raves about the talent of Paul George. (draws the t-mac comparison). and that Blazers might try to move up to get him. (probably offer some players, likely Fernandez, in the tarde up package)
also thinks that Bradley might be picked in the late lottery.

[Bruno]

^
Moving up rarely works but I damn hope it will work this year. Spurs targets should be Henry, George, Hayward or Babbitt and they have a good chance to be all gone at #20.


BTW, Spurs will attend at a group workout of 23 teams in New Jersey on June 10th:
http://www.goexplorers.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/060410aaa.html

[Mr. Body]

^
Moving up rarely works but I damn hope it will work this year. Spurs targets should be Henry, George, Hayward or Babbitt and they have a good chance to be all gone at #20.



Dammmmmmit. It happens every year. At least most years we're about 15 spots away from a decent SF. This year we'll be 2-5.

[mountainballer]

Dammmmmmit. It happens every year. At least most years we're about 15 spots away from a decent SF. This year we'll be 2-5.

but reportedly this year the chance to trade up is bigger than ever. will likely also take some money. several teams will want the allowed 3 million for a pick (or even a swap of picks).
but I agree, it seems as if we need to move up about 5 spots to get one of the right guys.

[Mr. Body]

but reportedly this year the chance to trade up is bigger than ever. will likely also take some money. several teams will want the allowed 3 million for a pick (or even a swap of picks).
but I agree, it seems as if we need to move up about 5 spots to get one of the right guys.

Trading up is unfortunately much more expensive than we anticipate.

[kobyz]

it will be smart to use our 2011 first round pick to move up, future assets should not interested us, we need to improve our team now, our window is closing and Spurs should put the best team they can for next season.

[Bruno]

Today is the last day of the Adidas Eurocamp.

Stats for games can be find here:
http://www.adidaseurocamp.com/page.php?pid=93

Websites like www.nbadraft.net and www.europeanprospects.com have a coverage of this event.

Measurements have been made at this camp and I guess they should be available soon.

[mountainballer]

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

only extracts from an ESPN insider article. can someone post the other parts of the article?


Per sources in the league, the Philadelphia 76ers, Minnesota Timberwolves, Golden State Warriors, Detroit Pistons, Indiana Pacers, Toronto Raptors, Chicago Bulls, San Antonio Spurs and Oklahoma City Thunder all have had discussions about moving up, down or out of the draft.



The Pistons, Spurs and Thunder have been the most aggressive about moving up. The Pistons have been searching for a big and would love to get their hands on either DeMarcus Cousins or Derrick Favors. The Spurs and Thunder also are in the hunt for a big and have targeted a number of teams in the lottery to move up a few spots. The Thunder have multiple picks to offer. The Spurs have Tony Parker or George Hill. While the Spurs aren't necessarily shopping either player, they're not untouchable, either. If the Spurs can get another big man to help prolong Tim Duncan's career, they'll do it.


if in fact Spurs are among the most aggressive in trade up talks, they are pretty likely also willing to sacrifice something significant. (money? Tony, Hill, Blair, Splitter? future picks?).
they wouldn't call the Spurs "most aggressive" if they just called the Wolves about swapping the #16 pick offering 500K and the 2nd rounder.

[Bruno]

Trade Winds starting to Swirl
JUN 7, 10:45

By Chad Ford
Doing mock drafts this far ahead of the draft is always a challenge. Teams are still working out players, gathering info and for the most part, still a few weeks away from making a decision on who they'll draft. To complicate things, there has been an abundance of trade talk surrounding draft picks this year.

Per sources in the league, the Philadelphia 76ers, Minnesota Timberwolves, Golden State Warriors, Detroit Pistons, Indiana Pacers, Toronto Raptors, Chicago Bulls, San Antonio Spurs and Oklahoma City Thunder have all had discussions about moving up, down or out of the draft.

The Pistons, Spurs and Thunder have been the most aggressive about moving up.

The Pistons have been searching for a big and would love to get their hands on either DeMarcus Cousins or Derrick Favors. The Spurs and Thunder are also in the hunt for a big and have targeted a number of teams in the lottery to move up a few spots. The Thunder have multiple picks to offer. The Spurs have Tony Parker or George Hill. While the Spurs aren't necessarily shopping either player, they're not untouchable either. If the Spurs can get another big man to help prolong Tim Duncan's career, they'll do it.


Tony Parker may not saddle up for the Spurs next season.
The Wolves continue to look in all directions. They have interest in moving up to the No. 2 spot to grab Evan Turner and have also shown interest in perhaps trading one or two of their first-round picks for a player like Anthony Randolph.

The Pacers and Raptors are in the same boat as the Wolves. They would like to move up in the draft and have inquired about the Sixers' and Nets' picks. They also wouldn't mind moving out of the draft if they got the right pieces in return.

A new twist with Turner
I may have jumped the gun a bit when I put Favors at No. 2 in my latest mock draft. As I wrote last week, I had sources disagreeing on which direction the Sixers were leaning. Some suggested Favors, others Turner and one said Cousins. However, I decided to lean toward a source who said they had direct knowledge of Doug Collins' thinking and that Collins liked Favors.

Since the mock draft I've gotten a number of strong signals from inside the Sixers organization that Turner is the guy they'll take at No. 2.

While the signals certainly could be legit, I take some of those indications with a grain of salt. Since Turner is the consensus No. 2 pick in the draft, the Sixers want other teams trying t o trade up for him (the Wolves and Pacers seem to be the hottest suitors) to believe that they're taking him. If teams think he's slipping, they'll begin dealing with New Jersey instead.

For what it's worth, the Sixers are still asking teams to take basck Elton Brand's contract in a deal for the No. 2 pick. But virtually every GM I've spoken with believes the Sixers would soften their stance as we get closer to the draft.

The Sixers are also exploring other trade possibilities. The team had Andre Iguodala on the trade block in February and may look to put him back on the market this summer. If Iguodala goes, suddenly Turner looks like a better fit in Philly.

The Jazz and the Monroe Doctrine
The Utah Jazz historically don't do a lot of workouts, often targeting a few players in their draft range and then selecting from that group. But when they do workouts, they do them right. Over the past few days they've examined some of the best prospects in the draft.

Monroe's workout in Utah was a one-man show.
On Friday they brought in Georgetown big man Greg Monroe for a solo workout. Monroe's agent, David Falk, will only let Monroe work out against Cousins or Favors. Since neither player is projected to be available at No. 9, Monroe went at it alone in Utah.

On Sunday the Jazz brought in Gordon Hayward, Luke Babbitt, Xavier Henry and Al-Farouq Aminu for a head-to-head workout of the four best swingmen in Utah's draft range.

The Jazz don't have any other high-profile workouts scheduled. Glean from that what you will, but I think it's safe to say that those are the five prospects the Jazz are considering at No. 9. Monroe fits a big need if Carlos Boozer leaves this summer. Henry, Babbitt, Hayward and Aminu all fit a void left by Kyle Korver hitting free agency.

From the sound of things, Monroe is still atop the Jazz's list. But it seems like Babbitt is strongly in the running too. The Jazz have been higher on Babbitt than most all year. The rest of the league is playing catch-up to what Utah was saying in January.

The interest in Indy
Picking right behind the Jazz are the Pacers at No. 10. The Pacers also got to work early last week and had virtually every player they'll be considering in for workouts. On June 1 they brought in Daniel Orton, Ekpe Udoh, Hassan Whiteside, Lance Stephenson and Derrick Caracter. The next day, they watched Avery Bradley, Eric Bledsoe, Sherron Collins, Willie Warren and Jordan Crawford.

Much like the Jazz, I think you're looking at the key players the Pacers will be considering at 10. If they go big, Orton, Udoh and Whiteside are the three guys they'll likely consider. Obviously Ed Davis or Monroe would be in the picture too if they were to fall, but neither player is expected to be there at No. 10.

If the Pacers go with a guard, it most likely will be Bradley or Bledsoe. While 10 may be a bit high for both players, point guard is the Pacers' biggest need and both players have sufficient upside.

Other prospects like Collins, Warren, Crawford, Stephenson and Caracter would be in the mix for the Pacers' pick at No. 40.

It's too early to say which way the Pacers are leaning. Of the bigs, Udoh seems like the safest choice, but Orton and Whiteside have more upside. As far as point guards go, I think Bradley has the edge over Bledsoe at the moment.

Knee knocks
Last week I reported that there were no medical red flags coming out of the physicals at the draft combine. A week later, after each team's medical staff has had a chance to look at the results, it the top prospects still appear to be clear.

However, a few teams have privately expressed some concerns about Orton's left knee. While the issue hasn't risen to the point that a team would seriously consider not drafting him, there are worries that his knee is still weak and may have some structural issues.

Orton tore cartilage in his left knee in November of 2008 and ended up missing his senior year of high school. This past February, Kentucky head coach John Calipari noted to the media that he felt like Orton was still hobbled by the knee -- though Orton, at the time, claimed it was 100 percent.

While the teams that had the information stressed that the concerns have not scared them away from drafting him, they do muddy the waters a bit when you factor Orton's sparse playing time last year and that he lacks the production of other big men in the draft.

The other player with injury questions swirling around him is Memphis guard Elli0t Williams. Williams suffered a minor knee injury after a workout with the Spurs and skipped the combine. He hasn't really been heard from since. Several NBA teams say that he has turned down multiple workouts.

There are two possible interpretations. One is that Williams' injury is worse than he's letting on and he can't work out. The second is that a team somewhere in the first round has promised to pick him and he is sitting out the workout process. Of the two, the second scenario seems more likely. Williams has been working out in L.A. for the past few weeks and I'm told through sources that he's fine.

So where is the promise? The Memphis Commercial Appeal speculates that San Antonio might be the culprit because he's worked out there. The Spurs do have a history of making such promises and the 20th pick isn't out of Williams' range. I'd also pay close attention to the Memphis Grizzlies. After passing on Memphis guard Tyreke Evans last year, they may have decided that they're better off taking a hometown kid with one of their three first-round picks this year.

There's no place like home
Finally, this year's international crop is looking weaker and weaker by the day. Forward Donatas Motiejunas withdrew from the draft on Friday. Motiejunas was the only international player in the draft that projected as a potential lottery pick.

Last week we got more news that Kevin Seraphin (currently the only international player we have in the first round) had injured his knee and would be out the next few weeks. His agent, Bouna Ndiaye, insists that Seraphin hasn't withdrawn from the draft, but if the injury is serious enough, he may have no choice. Ndiaye told me he's looking for a first-round promise for Seraphin. If the right team commits, he'll stay. If no one does, he'll pull out of the draft.

If Seraphin withdraws we could be facing the first year without an international player in the first round since 1995.

If a player or two creeps in, keep an eye on two prospects -- Tibor Pleiss and Miroslav Raduljica. There are five teams with two or more first-round picks. Someone's going to want to stash one of these guys overseas.

Pleiss is a 7-footer from Germany. He's a hustle player who gets things done on the defensive end, despite lacking strength and offensive polish at the moment. While he's still a year or two away from being an impact player in the NBA, he's a nice developmental pick.

Raduljica is the other guy that could get some love. The Serbian big man posted solid numbers in the Adriatic league this year and he has the size and strength to make it in the NBA. Raduljica didn't endear himself to several NBA executives when he bailed at the last minute on a workout at the Eurocamp. However, I'm told by a source inside the camp that a team representative may have convinced Raduljica to shut down the workout. That could be a sign that a team already has him locked up late in the first.

[Bruno]

if in fact Spurs are among the most aggressive in trade up talks, they are pretty likely also willing to sacrifice something significant. (money? Tony, Hill, Blair, Splitter? future picks?).
they wouldn't call the Spurs "most aggressive" if they just called the Wolves about swapping the #16 pick offering 500K and the 2nd rounder.

IMO, it's cash, RJ and future picks.

For example a trade I can see Spurs doing with RJ is RJ+#20 for Posey+Songaila+Wright+#11.

[Mr. Body]

IMO, it's cash, RJ and future picks.

For example a trade I can see Spurs doing with RJ is RJ+#20 for Posey+Songaila+Wright+#11.

Does that help NO? The Spurs get all the best pieces out of that.

[Bruno]

Does that help NO? The Spurs get all the best pieces out of that.

Spurs trade the best player and get one (Posey) with a bad contract.

[mountainballer]

thanks Bruno for posting the article.:toast


So where is the promise? The Memphis Commercial Appeal speculates that San Antonio might be the culprit because he's worked out there. The Spurs do have a history of making such promises and the 20th pick isn't out of Williams' range. I'd also pay close attention to the Memphis Grizzlies. After passing on Memphis guard Tyreke Evans last year, they may have decided that they're better off taking a hometown kid with one of their three first-round picks this year.

:lol so let's start this one again. the Spurs never ever never never never make such a promise.:downspin:


If the Spurs can get another big man to help prolong Tim Duncan's career, they'll do it.

I wonder why they talk about a big man. would any big in this draft be able to provide an impact like Splitter could right away? those who could become franchise players (Favors, Cousins) are so young, they won't be ready to "help prolong Tim's career". those bigs, who are more NBA ready (Aldrich, Patterson) are not more NBA ready as Splitter is. I would call this section uninformed. if the Spurs trade up and go for a big, it will be a move to prepare for the future after Tim.

[Mr. Body]

NO doesn't need Jefferson at that money, unless people expect him to stop his several year decline in production.

Posey would actually help for a season or two, but does have a relatively unattractive contract. I'd certainly do this trade if I were SAS but there's not enough there for NOH, IMO.

[Mr. Body]

:lol so let's start this one again. the Spurs never ever never never never make such a promise.:downspin:


They promised Mahinmi and they basically gave a promise to Batum.

[mountainballer]

IMO, it's cash, RJ and future picks.

For example a trade I can see Spurs doing with RJ is RJ+#20 for Posey+Songaila+Wright+#11.

I can see the Hornets trade their pick, but their priority will be once again to get their payroll under the threshold. this move doesn't really help them in this regard. I think they would talk about Posey plus #11 for a package with some un guaranteed contracts. (difficult for the Spurs to assemble. maybe if they include Dice).
in a bigger scenario they could do RJ + ungarranteed for Peja, Posey and #11.
this way they could save about 6 million. (plus the money for the #11 pick). would help them big time to stay under the threshold.

[mountainballer]

They promised Mahinmi and they basically gave a promise to Batum. I know. this was referring to the discussion in the E. Williams thread.

[Mr. Body]

I know. this was referring to the discussion in the E. Williams thread.

Oh, okay, missed all that.

[DesignatedT]

IMO, it's cash, RJ and future picks.

For example a trade I can see Spurs doing with RJ is RJ+#20 for Posey+Songaila+Wright+#11.

Id do that in a heartbeat. Especially if George is at 11. IMO teams are going to want Hill or Blair packaged with RJ before they even touch him and trading Blair for the right pieces might not be a bad idea considering his ceiling isn't to high and his knee problems.

[Bruno]

I can see the Hornets trade their pick, but their priority will be once again to get their payroll under the threshold. this move doesn't really help them in this regard. I think they would talk about Posey plus #11 for a package with some un guaranteed contracts. (difficult for the Spurs to assemble. maybe if they include Dice).
in a bigger scenario they could do RJ + ungarranteed for Peja, Posey and #11.
this way they could save about 6 million. (plus the money for the #11 pick). would help them big time to stay under the threshold.

I'm not sure that Hornet's new owner will try to go as hard under the tax than the previous one but I agree with you that they will likely try to go under the tax. Saying that, it won't be easy because they will be about $5M over the threshold.

The idea behind my trade was to put Hornets under the cap next summer by dumping Posey. Hornets need to rebuild/reload their team and being under the cap in 2011 to sign a big FA could be an option for them.

[Mr. Body]

I'm starting to think Blair won't be in a Spurs' uniform next year.

[yavozerb]

I'm starting to think Blair won't be in a Spurs' uniform next year.

I really would not to see Blair gone, but if the spurs did go after a young big they could possibly just re-sign Ian to take Blairs minutes. So basically the young big would probably be in Austin most of the season while Ian get 10-15 minutes a game, not a bad plan if this can net you possibly a SF in a trade.

[yavozerb]

I disagree. Pop likes DeJuan and Blair is going to work hard this summer to become a better player. He isn't that tall long athletic player the Spurs want, but he is a type of player that every championship team needs. Look at Fabio, Malik Rose, Big Baby, Odom-ish, and yes Rodman. Blair hustles, brings energy and excitement. Plus he is only 21 and with all the new faces that might be around next season it would be nice to bring back the only player who played all 82 games.

and best of all is locked into a very low salary for a couple of more years. Alot of bang for the buck with blair.

[Bruno]

Eurocamp measurements:

http://www.europeanprospects.com/tournaments/2010-tournaments/adidas-eurocamp/adidas-eurocamp-2010-official-measurements/#more-1431

[yavozerb]

I realize Dasic is a headcase but I still like him in the 2nd if he is available. Good size for a SF at 6 ft 8 in shoes with 7ft armspan and average athlete with 30 inch vertical. This guy is my sleeper pick for the spurs.

[Bruno]

http://www.thehoopsreport.com/article.aspx?id=506


Nets Host 36 NBA Draft Prospects This Week

By Ryan Feldman
Tuesday, June 08, 2010

The New Jersey Nets will host a NBA Draft workout this week from Wednesday, June 9 to Friday, June 11 that will consist of 36 draft prospects and 23 NBA teams in attendance. Each day, 12 prospects will work out. There will be two sessions each day with six players in each session.

The 23 teams that will be in attendance are the Atlanta Hawks, Boston Celtics, Charlotte Bobcats, Chicago Bulls, Cleveland Cavaliers, Denver Nuggets, Golden State Warriors, Houston Rockets, Indiana Pacers, Los Angeles Clippers, Los Angeles Lakers, Memphis Grizzlies, Miami Heat, Milwaukee Bucks, Minnesota Timberwolves, New Jersey Nets, New York Knicks, Oklahoma City Thunder, Philadelphia 76ers, Sacramento Kings, San Antonio Spurs, Toronto Raptors and Washington Wizards.

Wednesday, June 9: First Session
Sherron Collins, Kansas
Jon Scheyer, Duke
Tim Olbrecht, Germany
Deon Thompson, North Carolina
Omar Samhan, St. Mary's
Art Parakhouski, Radford

Wednesday, June 9: Second Session
Ben Uzoh, Tulsa
Rodney Green, La Salle
Stanley Robinson, UConn
Darington Hobson, New Mexico
Dexter Pittman, Texas
Pablo Aguilar, Spain

Thursday, June 10: First Session
Scottie Reynolds, Villanova
Edwin Jackson, France
Dwayne Collins, Miami
Wayne Chism, Tennessee
Tyler Wilkerson, Marshall
Jerome Jordan, Tulsa

Thursday, June 10: Second Session
Jamar Smith, Southern Indiana
Ryan Thompson, Rider
Sylven Landesberg, Virginia
Tyren Johnson, Louisiana-Lafayette
Gani Lawal, Georgia Tech
Luke Harangody, Notre Dame

Friday, June 11: First Session
Manny Harris, Michigan
Tajuan Porter, Oregon
Marquis Gilstrap, Iowa State
Ryan Wittman, Cornell
Brian Zoubek, Duke
Hamady Ndiaye, Rutgers

Friday, June 11: Second Session
Thomas Huertel, France
Jerome Randle, California
Ludovic Vaty, France
Mac Koshwal, DePaul
Jordan Eglseder, Northern Iowa
AJ Ogilvy, Vanderbilt

[benefactor]

SF an need? We have a solid one who will be much better all around this year. I dont understand why you would want a guy who will not play much on a team with a small window.

A "solid" one? Are you talking about RJ? Excuse me for a minute....

HAHAHAHAHALMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO LOOOOOL

Ok...I'm back.

The only way that RJ makes the Spurs better is if he is traded for either an impact player with a longer deal or some young prospects. His game is what it is and that is not changing. The experiment failed. Wake up and join reality with the rest of us.


Whiteside is a project, Alabi is what he is.....Hes 22 yrs old, very mature and is a mobile 7-1 shot blocker and changer. We have gotten our ass kicked the last 3 seasons inside and your answer is to draft a SF?

I love it how you pick out one part of his game and say that makes him an NBA ready player that will get minutes in the Spurs front court. You should stand back and view the whole forest instead of admiring the beauty of one tree.

Yes, he has shown he can block shots at the college level. That's great and there's a good chance he will become a nice defender in a couple of seasons. He is also one of the worst defensive rebounding bigs in the draft, which will allow other bigs to get offensive boards when he is in the game...allowing opponents to get extra possessions and put back scores. Combine this with his very raw offensive game and poor passing ability he begins to hurt more than he benefits. In short, he's a project.

Again, if the Spurs want a 5th big that can help next season they are better off re-signing Mahinmi. He is far more NBA ready than any big the Spurs can get with the 20th pick.


TD and Dice are a year older,so like it or not if we draft big he will have to play. We are not beating any of the good teams out west if we dont improve inside.

Even if we sign splitter I still think SA needs to look big, Alabi or Patterson so we can give TD nights off and still win games. Remember we won rings with D not a bunch of SFs running around.
If the Spurs sign Splitter(and they likely will), they will have 4 rotation bigs under contract next season. They will have one SF...and if the right deal comes along then he might be gone too. There is no argument you can make that suggests that the Spurs need a big more than a SF.

EDIT: Just saw you mentioned Patterson. Him and Alabi probably shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence. Patterson is far more NBA ready. I would take Patterson without hesitation, but it's unlikely he falls as far as 20.

[The Truth #6]

A SF is a need but at 20 we might not find anyone good for that position left. RJ isn't great but he's durable and in a contract year. Our SG concerns are in some ways not great either because Manu has to be really rested and we have no solid backups. If we can draft a two that is good and can rest Manu that might be the better option, especially if there are no good SFs left.

[TD 21]

I'm with The Truth #6 on this one. Sure, we'd like to see a long term successor in place at SF, but if George and Babbitt, as expected, are gone by 20, why force it? The Spurs have enough options at SF to get them through next season: Jefferson, veteran free agent signing, Hairston, Gee and Ginobili when they go to a three guard alignment.

If they think, for example, Williams is the best player for them likely to be available at 20, then pick him. This team isn't overloaded with ball handling guards. I know he's an SG, but he can handle the ball some and make plays by all accounts.

It's only a guess, but I think the Spurs view Hairston as more of an SF than an SG. Look how they've utilized players of similar build (Udoka, Bogans) in the past. Like them, he has good strength but weak ball handling skills.

[The Truth #6]

I suppose the next question is will Williams even be available at the 20th pick? Not sure what the FO was thinking with how things developed after he worked out with us. But it's possible Williams actions are a self created strategy to garner interest...by faking the idea that he's been given a promise. Obviously not likely but it's amusing to consider. Someone has an angle but it isn't clear yet.

[SenorSpur]

A SF is a need but at 20 we might not find anyone good for that position left. RJ isn't great but he's durable and in a contract year. Our SG concerns are in some ways not great either because Manu has to be really rested and we have no solid backups. If we can draft a two that is good and can rest Manu that might be the better option, especially if there are no good SFs left.

Understand your point, but I disagree. With Manu. Hairston, Gee and Hill, the Spurs have enough depth at the SG position to get through the year. Instead the SF position is severely lacking and has been for some time. The Spurs are in dire need more depth at a position that has been neglected, since the final 2 years of the Bowen era. That didn't happen. Now that RJ is in his contract year, this is the perfect opportunity to draft a young, athletic, SF. Groom him and prepare him to take over once RJ is either traded during the season or walks at the end of the year.

The good thing is that this draft is chocked full of SFs, so with the Spurs picking at #20, they should be able to get a good one.

[Chieflion]

Chieflion's 1st round mock draft

This is not perfect and does not include draft day deals. For me, this is a 4 player draft consisting of John Wall, Evan Turner, Derrick Favors, DeMarcus Cousins. The picks 6-18 are probably a crapshoot to me personally.

1. Washington Wizards - John Wall (Consensus No.1 pick drafted by the Wizards, what will happen to Gilbert Arenas?)

2. Philadelphia 76ers - Evan Turner (Best College Player in the draft goes to Philly, will the Sixers make the playoffs next season?)

3. New Jersey Nets - Derrick Favors (Most touted player in high school, youngest player in the draft, worst team in the league, cap space, new owner, will Favors be that integral part to the turnaround the Nets are supposed to do next season?)

4. Minnesota Timberwolves - DeMarcus Cousins (Most productive player in NCAA basketball history as of recent memory, the Wolves go BPA here, but is the big men rotation of Love, Jefferson and Cousins a huge logjam? Someone has to go, but who?)

5. Sacramento Kings - Wesley Johnson (Kings select Wesley Johnson out of Syracruse. His ability to play without the ball suits young star, Tyreke Evans to a T, and his ability to slash and hit the 3 ball at an efficient rate could make him a player that could make an immediate impact to a Kings team that needs an exciting player to add to their roster.)

6. Golden State Warriors - Greg Monroe (Warriors and small ball has become an apparent joke around the league. The Warriors break that this draft by selecting a skilled power forward out of Georgetown in Greg Monroe. His passing ability and high post game would remind older Warriors fans of ex-Warrior Chris Webber, although not as athletic, and would suit the Warriors' up-tempo high powered offense perfectly.)

7. Detroit Pistons - Ekpe Udoh (The Pistons are currently in full rebuilding mode and had a disastrous season and need size inside. By drafting the lengthy and athletic big man in Udoh, the Pistons would hope to solve and bolster their frontcourt for next season, although they have to solve their backcourt jam with Hamilton and Gordon at the SG spot.)

8. Los Angeles Clippers - Al-Farouq Aminu (The cursed franchise would select Aminu to be their player. Aminu could bring excitement to the young team, with Davis, Gordon, Aminu and Griffin, this Clipper team would bring instant viewers if they were not the second banana in Los Angeles.)

9. Utah Jazz - Xavier Henry (The Utah Jazz would go with a player who would fit their offense and they need a swingman to improve depth at the slot. Henry would provide offense and length and solve some issues with perimeter scoring for the Utah Jazz. Last but not least, LOL Knicks.)

10. Indiana Pacers - Ed Davis (The Pacers select Davis to improve depth at PF position, with Murphy likely being traded and expiring next season, the Pacers will want Davis to be their PF of the future. Will the athletic power forward be a perfect fit? Of course not, but he is talented, and it would work out one way or the other.)

11. New Orleans Hornets - Paul George (The Hornets need to improve scoring from the perimeter and relieve Chris Paul from the being the only consistent perimeter threat from outside. George could shoot the 3 and improve length and athletic ability, providing youth to the old SG/SF rotation of the Hornets.)

12. Memphis Grizzlies - Eric Bledsoe (Taking a gamble on Bledsoe, with Conley not living up to expectations, the PG out of Kentucky provides a lot of mystique. Would he be a good PG in the NBA? He was the 2nd best PG out of high school prospects behind John Wall, but unfortunately played off-guard next to the consensus 1st pick in Kentucky. Would he be the answer to the Grizzlies' PG woes?)

13. Toronto Raptors - Cole Aldrich (The Raptors value players without off-court problems and they need a tough big who can play, so to convince Bosh to stay in Toronto. Aldrich provides that tough body, and can contribute immediately as a 3rd big in the rotation and helping on the boards, an area the Raptors need to improve on.

14. Houston Rockets - Hassan Whiteside (The Rockets have nothing to lose by banking in on a 20-year old center with a lot of talent. Whiteside's ability to block shots at an elite level could make him a capable back-up behind Yao Ming.)

15. Milwaukee Bucks - Luke Babbitt (The Bucks have new life after acquiring Brandon Jennings last season and making the playoffs. They made some noise despite Bogut's injury. They add Babbitt to their roster for 3-point shooting and additional scoring. The Bucks need more firepower and select a 50-40-90 college player to their team.)

16. Minnesota Timberwolves - Gordon Hayward (The Wolves waste no time picking Butler's Gordon Hayward to improve swingmen depth. This is the Wolves 2nd pick in the 1st round and they have another pick coming in the 1st round. Hayward would provide a scoring punch to their SF position behind Corey Brewer and hopefully help the Wolves post-Garnett.)

17. Chicago Bulls - James Anderson (The Chicago Bulls are trying to lure a max FA to the Windy City to join Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah. To do that, they are going to need to acquire a shooter in anyway possible and upgrade their talent overall. By selecting Anderson, the Bulls solve the spacing problem in their roster by a bit. The pure scorer would need to play off-the ball and fight through screens a lot more, but that itself is part of Anderson's game.

18. Miami Heat - Avery Bradley (The Miami Heat are at a crossroads, Mario Chalmers, Dequean Cook and Michael Beasley have been disappointments and Dwyane Wade's status to stay or leave is uncertain. The Heat have tons of cap space and would like to lure 2 max FAs to the team. Bradley fits in with his defensive potential and sets out to accomplish what Chalmers should have done. Bradley does not have to handle the ball a lot if Miami re-signs Dwyane Wade, a perfect combination. Bradley and Wade could be the best backcourt defensive duo in the NBA.)

19. Boston Celtics - Patrick Patterson (The Celtics pick an NBA ready power forward who could spell Garnett, Sheed and Perkins in Patterson and allow a young and ready player to blossom in a good system.)

20. San Antonio Spurs - Damion James (The Spurs pick local-bred Texas talent, Damion James, known for his motor and hard working character. His defensive potential and rebounding ability at the 3/4 spot would allow him to become a rotation player in this league. He also has an NBA ready body and is a player who can contribute immediately behind Jefferson.)

21. Oklahoma City Thunder - Larry Sanders (One of the best young teams in the NBA select a mobile big man in Larry Sanders. Sanders' elite length and defensive potential would further bolster the already tough defense of the Oklahoma City Thunder.)

22. Portland Trail Blazers - Kevin Seraphin (The Blazers pick Seraphin who they can stash for future use.)

23. Minnesota Timberwolves - Willie Warren (Hi Minny, we meet again. The Wolves further improve SG scoring with Willie Warren, once a teammate of Blake Griffin in college. Warren can score, no question, but cannot be the main guy. The Wolves would have to set Warren on the right path in his NBA career, will they be able to do that?)

24. Atlanta Hawks - Daniel Orton (The Hawks find a big man who is raw, but talented. Orton could blossom and play behind Al Horford. The Hawks reportedly do not like the position they are in for the NBA 2010 draft, so they bank in on potential here.)

25. Memphis Grizzlies - Quincy Pondexter (With Rudy Gay intriguing teams with cap space and the Grizzlies not going to overpay to keep their talented SF, the Grizzlies draft Quincy Pondexter as insurance going into next season. With Sam Young on the roster as well, these two forwards may duke it out for a starting spot if Gay leaves next season.)

26. Oklahoma City Thunder - Stanley Robinson (The Thunder draft the athletic Stanley Robinson out of UConn. With this being the potential pick, Robinson would stay behind Green and Durant, receiving little time. He might get to play small ball 4 but he is not going to get a ton of minutes either way as a rookie. He is definitely going to be added, increasing the overall athletic profile of the Oklahoma City Thunder.)

27. New Jersey Nets - Terrico White (The Nets draft Terrico White, hoping to modify his game to be a PG. Is that posisble? This is yet another potential-based pick for the Nets. Terrico White appears to be the most athletic guard in the draft right behind John Wall. If he pans out, the Nets would be extremely delightful. He has the size and the tools. Would he actually work out?)

28. Memphis Grizzlies - Dominque Jones (The Grizzlies, after getting screwed over by the Nets in my mock would draft Jones, whose length would help him play behind O.J Mayo. Drafted to score, Jones would fit the profile of the Grizzlies' team.)

29. Orlando Magic - Devin Ebanks (The Orlando Magic, with a disappointing end to the season, draft Devin Ebanks to replace Matt Barnes in the rotation if he leaves. Ebanks would replace the journeyman and hopefully fulfills his potential there. He isn't going to be a big time player but he is going to learn to shoot the 3 effecitvely if he wants to contribute to the Orlando Magic.)

30. Washington Wizards - Solomon Alabi (We saw the Wizards at the start, what a fitting way to end with the Wizards with the mock. The Wizards add frontcourt depth with Alabi, who would play behind the talented Javale McGee at the center position. Here is the key though, Alabi is a project, the Wizards are rebuilding, and he can get some playing time. Both parties benefit from this pick.)

Thanks for reading through Chieflion's 2010 mock draft. It took me at least an hour. Make sure to leave your comments. Also, much thanks to draftexpress for providing the draft order and player reports.

Updated with some slight switches in the mock.

[benefactor]

A SF is a need but at 20 we might not find anyone good for that position left. RJ isn't great but he's durable and in a contract year. Our SG concerns are in some ways not great either because Manu has to be really rested and we have no solid backups. If we can draft a two that is good and can rest Manu that might be the better option, especially if there are no good SFs left.
I agree there are some questions at SG. This is one of the reasons I've been pushing for the Spurs to consider signing Romain Sato. I wouldn't have a problem with the Spurs drafting a guard if a good enough one fell.

The Spurs could also trade the pick for an extra pick. One scenario I mentioned in another thread would be to try to trade the pick to Memphis for their two late first round picks...then use those picks to draft Pondexter and Dominique Jones(both players should be available late in the first).

[Bruno]

Nice work, even if I disagree with most of your picks. :downspin:

And if the 19 first picks go likes in your draft, I hope Spurs will go with either Larry Sanders or Damion James.

[Chieflion]

Nice work, even if I disagree with most of your picks. :downspin:

And if the 19 first picks go likes in your draft, I hope Spurs will go with either Larry Sanders or Damion James.

What picks do you disagree with? Like I said, it is not perfect and I hope to improve on it in the future. I like Larry Sanders though, don't get me wrong. But there are no indications up till now that the Spurs would draft him, likewise for Damion James who doesn't have a position on offense. With Williams, there are some vague indications.

[mountainballer]

first off, congratulations, this is a very good mock IMO.

some surprising picks in the 6-14 area, but I can hear your reasons.
personally I wonder if the Pistons would really take Udoh over Ed Davis and Aldrich (with Charlie V on the roster, but they might try to trade him) and if the Grizzlies really once more reach for a PG.
(Conley was a disappointment considering he was a #4 pick, but I don't think they need to give up on him. he still is only 22 and don't forget he played very good in the last 2 months of this season. Grizzlies have reasons to hope that this was finally his break out party.)
if George was still there, they would pick him to prepare for a departure of Gay. he isn't, so I think they pick the best available SF prospect, which would be Babbitt or Hayward. (IMO they still miss Mike Miller a lot and both players have been compared to him, so they will have some fans in the Grizzlies organisation)

[Bruno]

What picks do you disagree with? Like I said, it is not perfect and I hope tio improve on it in the future.

Well, it isn't that your picks are horrible (I don't have the pretention or the knowledge to say that), it's just that I would make other choices than yours.

And do you think Patrick Patterson won't be drafted in the or do you forget him?



I like Larry Sanders though, don't get me wrong. But there are no indications up till now that the Spurs would draft him, likewise for Damion James who doesn't have a position on offense. With Williams, there are some vague indications.

I don't buy at all the rumor around Williams and Spurs. James and Sanders make more sense for Spurs.

[Chieflion]

Well, it isn't that your picks are horrible (I don't have the pretention or the knowledge to say that), it's just that I would make other choices than yours.

And do you think Patrick Patterson won't be drafted in the or do you forget him?



I don't buy at all the rumor around Williams and Spurs. James and Sanders make more sense for Spurs.

Oh no. Forgot about Patterson, slipped my mind. Fixed, had him drafted by Atlanta, although he slips down a lot, but he does have some flaws to his game and doesn't have much potential.

[mountainballer]

Oh no. Forgot about Patterson, slipped my mind. Fixed, had him drafted by Atlanta, although he slips down a lot, but he does have some flaws to his game and doesn't have much potential.

Hawks clearly get the steal of the draft in Patterson. I also can see that he drops more than any mock projects him, but I can't see him fall deeper than Celtics at #19.
they get the probably most NBA ready player in the draft, who they can use well to reduce the work load of KG and who would form a pretty decent front court with Perkins for many years to come.

[Bruno]

If Patterson is available at #20, Spurs should pick him. It's a no-brainer.

Memphis pick (#12) is maybe the most difficult to predict in the draft. Memphis has depth at PF/C (Randolph, Gasol, Thabeet, Arthur) an at SG/SF (Mayo, Gay, Brewer, Young, Carroll). They need a backup PG behind Conley but drafting one at #12 will be a big reach. They could also go with a shooter since they are one of the worst shooting team in the league or they could also go after a PF given Randolph off the court troubles and Arthur so-so level. I'm really curious to see what they will do with this pick.

[mountainballer]

I agree there are some questions at SG. This is one of the reasons I've been pushing for the Spurs to consider signing Romain Sato. I wouldn't have a problem with the Spurs drafting a guard if a good enough one fell.

The Spurs could also trade the pick for an extra pick. One scenario I mentioned in another thread would be to try to trade the pick to Memphis for their two late first round picks...then use those picks to draft Pondexter and Dominique Jones(both players should be available late in the first).

I do like the Pondexter plus Jones scenario (obviously). and I see room for either a 4th guard (Williams, Jones, even Warren) or a backup SF (all the listed suspects, about 6 or 7 players, from George to Pondexter).

we probably didn't hear about all invitations for work outs, but looking at the list of players, it seems as if the Spurs go that direction with the 1st rounder. most of the invited big men (all?) are clearly options for the #49 pick.

[benefactor]

Thanks for reposting that here. I got kinda caught up in the other thread. :)

I really think it's the best value if all the better SF prospects are gone by 20. If it comes down to trading for those two picks or gambling on a project like Whiteside or Alabi, I trade the pick every time.

[mountainballer]

I try to go back to the trade up discussion. let's assume the report is legit, that the Spurs are one of the most aggressive teams in trade up talks.
so what's the goal.
IMO there are only 2 scenario's, that can be labeled that way.

plan A: trade up to #10-13 and that way get one player from the group of George, Henry, Babbitt and Hayward.

plan B: trade up to #2-4 and that way get a franchise talent.

plan A will cost either money, #20 pick, a future pick, maybe Blair as teaser. (at least 2 pieces from that pool)

plan B will cause a significant roster shake up and a package with one or more pieces from the pool of Tony, Splitter, Hill, Blair, #20 pick, future pick.

so using the #20 pick probably is only plan C or D.
(trading down as the other option).

however. can't remember the Spurs being mentioned in so many rumors around the draft for many years. and that's a good sign. obviously the Spurs see this draft much more important for them, than the last 7 or 8.

[Blackjack]

There's some serious RTB up in this mug; and Chieflion looks to be getting a jump on next year's All-SpursTalk. :tu

Can't say I'd be all that disappointed with benefactor's scenario. Well, it'd hurt my heart if it spelled the end of THC as we know it but I'm a big fan of Jones and there's a lot to like from Pondexter as a potential role-player and glue guy.

Depending on who's left, I wouldn't mind Jones at 20; Williams sounds pretty intriguing but I'm not as familiar with him. As I've mentioned before, I slacked on the scouting this year and I'm in the dark more than at any time in recent memory. But I do love the perceived activity on the Spurs' behalf and not knowing as much has made this draft more exciting than ever. I feel like a kid waiting on Christmas.

However it ends up playing out, the Spurs should do pretty well for themselves. They've got a nice pick at 20 and more options at their disposal to get something done because of the climate and their need for immediacy, two things that should lead to a fun offseason. :hungry:

[The Truth #6]

Intrigued to read the Spurs involved in so many rumors to move up. If that's true then it's going to be more difficult than ever to predict what they're going to do. And given that they like to use smokescreens, and the pressure to get a good player in this draft is as high as ever, this will get interesting, or frustrating, depending how you look at it.

To return to a previous thought from the Babbit thread...I agree with Senor Spur that getting a SF is a priority, but my point in looking to get a SG is that getting a quality player is more important than just filling a need. To me, there's a need at SG also because though Manu is still spectacular, he's only able to give that level of play for about 30 games in a season, which is basically the playoffs. Given that, I think we have a huge hole at SG as well, realistically. I love the possibility of Hairston and Gee but they haven't done anything yet and I consider Hill more of a PG who is still learning the position.

As bad as RJ is, he's more frustrating than just straight bad. Again, he's durable. And if no quality SFs are left, and there's a quality SG on the board that the Spurs like, then I can see the logic.

Whether or not that will be Williams is debatable, with the realistic odds against it given how well known the rumors are.

[SpursTillTheEnd]

WHY CANT YOU SPELL Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_ ON HERE?

[objective]

Name me 10 better starting SF than RJ right now? The guy avgd 12ppg 4.5 rebounds and shot 46%. He is also able to give us 20 points any given night.

I gotta agree with the other guy, RJ is nothing to get excited about and there's no logical reason to think he's going to be better next year. If anything he's more likely to be worse as his athleticism continues to slip.

And no, he's not a top 10 SF by any means. He had a below average PER for one. And he wasn't top 10 SF when they traded for him, and that's before he had a terrible year where he played lazy, gutless, soft basketball for the majority of games while being a mediocre defender.

In no particular order, NBA SFs (or SF-capable 2s or 3s) who I would rather have on the roster playing his minutes:

Lebron
Carmelo
Durant
Pierce
Gerald Wallace
Stephen Jackson
Andre Iguodala
Luol Deng
Danny Granger
Kirilenko
Battier
Rudy Gay

Guys that are a toss up with RJ who I still would probably lean towards over RJ:

Marvin Williams
Omri Casspi
Hedo Turkoglu
Tayshaun Prince
Josh Howard
Mike Miller
Grant Hill
Ron Artest
Trevor Ariza
Corey Maggette
Batum
Caron Butler

Not only would RJ not be in my top 10, I doubt he would crack my top 20 all salaries being equal.

[objective]

If Patterson is available at #20, Spurs should pick him. It's a no-brainer.

Memphis pick (#12) is maybe the most difficult to predict in the draft. Memphis has depth at PF/C (Randolph, Gasol, Thabeet, Arthur) an at SG/SF (Mayo, Gay, Brewer, Young, Carroll). They need a backup PG behind Conley but drafting one at #12 will be a big reach. They could also go with a shooter since they are one of the worst shooting team in the league or they could also go after a PF given Randolph off the court troubles and Arthur so-so level. I'm really curious to see what they will do with this pick.

I would guess MEM to draft a bench scorer. They were so desperate for bench scoring that they even considered trading for Mason and settled on Brewer, and neither of those guys were having seasons like The Microwave either. I'm sure they'll try to address it in free agency also but having multiple options is practical.

[objective]

If Splitter comes (I'm dubious), then that is much better than whatever big man project they could draft at 20. Splitter is ready to play and Pop would actually give him a chance to play, something that can't be guaranteed for any young player.

If Splitter doesn't come, then even re-signing Ian Mahinmi would be better than a project at 20, again, Mahinmi would be more ready to play.

RJ is only under contract for one more year, and this draft is deep at SF. You get a guy this year at 20 who is ready to start in year 2, that's a good draft.

Hell, RJ isn't even good enough to be counted on to start next year! Pop benched him for his garbage play for about a 10 game stretch.

And don't knock Grant Hill. Yes, he's old and washed up. But he still outplayed the $15 million dollar man this postseason with much better defense.

[objective]

The spurs have talked about turnover at the 3 and 5 spots being one of the main problems we have had the last 3 years. So now you want more turn over??


Yes more turnover if it means getting rid of they guys who have experience choking (Bonner's entire tenure and Mason's 2 years of disappointment) and guys who are soft, inconsistent, undependable players like Jefferson.

One of the biggest mistakes the Spurs made the last 5 years was the summer of 07 when they had to 'bring them all back to defend their title', which was an insane declaration that they would refuse to improve their roster while other teams got better, even to the point of bidding against themselves to re-sign Bonner even though he wasn't in the playoff rotation and even though he wouldn't even play that first year while Horry finished out his contract. So they crapped out Scola to keep the glory of Bonner, who wasn't even going to get minutes while Horry was still around.

[tdunk21]

draft express has the spurs drafting luke babbit(1st round) and charles garcia(2nd round) in their latest mock draft.....could this be true.....

[Chieflion]

I think everyone forgot how good Bledsoe actually was. Coming out of high school, there were people thinking he had the ability to be a top 10 pick. Too bad he teamed up with Wall and had to play off-guard, which definitely wasn't his game. Willie Warren was actually considered a lottery pick a year ago when he played with Griffin, things sure do change very quickly these days. Kind of a "What you have done for me lately" thing. Although it is somewhat of a reach to take Bledsoe at 12 now, some team would take a risk, and that some team could very well be the Grizzlies.

[benefactor]

Spurs will extend RJ? Wow.

Texas 2 Step...your arguments are so silly that they are not worth the 20-30 minutes worth of keystrokes I would need to refute all of them. You live in some sort of fantasy land where project big men suddenly become Dikembe Mutombo overnight and Shaq still deserves the MLE. Have fun chasing unicorns. I'm moving on.

[MaNu4Tres]

Spurs will extend RJ? Wow.

Texas 2 Step...your arguments are so silly that they are not worth the 20-30 minutes worth of keystrokes I would need to refute all of them. You live in some sort of fantasy land where project big men suddenly become Dikembe Mutombo overnight and Shaq still deserves the MLE. Have fun chasing unicorns. I'm moving on.


:rollin

Some of us figured that out a while ago.

[rayray2k8]

Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_ Williams huh?

[AFBlue]

I wonder if the Spurs could trade their 20th pick and their 2011 lottery protected first rounder for Memphis' 12th pick? Depending on who the Spurs like that would be there at 12 and gone by 20. Maybe Paul George or Xavier Henry? Ekpe Udoh maybe? One thing I've learned about draft night trades is that there are so many that are agreed upon and then they don't go down. For example, in 2004 the Spurs were really close to drafting Jameer Nelson and if I was told correctly they traded all the way up to pick 22 and then the Nuggets drafted (for the Magic) him a few picks before and the Spurs didn't use the 22nd pick they traded up to get. I liked Beno better anyways.

I was just considering this scenario. It goes in tandem with the mystery surrounding Memphis product, E. Williams. If Memphis doesn't believe he'll be there by the time they pick in the late first round, they could swap picks with the Spurs, get a future first from them and secure the guy they want. Of course, like you said it would require the player they like being there at #12.

But it's definitely a plausible draft-night scenario.

[AFBlue]

Might already be in the works. Who knows.

Right, the only way we'll know is if it actually goes down on draft night (or an insider tells us what would've happened after the fact ;)).

I'm really interested in the direction of your first post. At least one site's sources have the Spurs as one of the most aggressive teams trying to move up in this draft. The question is for who...or more appropriately what group of players?

If the Spurs are able to move into the top 5 (Sixers at #2 or Nets at #3), then I think the target list is small...Favors and maybe Cousins. But the rest of the potential trade partners (Pacers at #10, Grizz at #12, Wolves at #16), are in a range where it looks like the Spurs could go several directions. There are the shooters (Henry, George, Babbitt, Hayward) and the shot-blockers (Davis, Udoh, Whiteside, Sanders). Each of those players could potentially be gone by the time the Spurs pick at #20.

By the way, Chad Ford of ESPN is out with his 4th version of a 1st round mock, and still has the Spurs taking Damion James. Not knocking James, but I really hope the Spurs are able to move up and get a higher upside guy.

[AFBlue]

The Spurs still lack a small forward other than RJ. And Jefferson seems to be short term at the moment so moving up to draft someone like Wes Johnson still isn't outside my thoughts.

True, I don't think you can count out any SF prospect because there's no real depth at the position on the team. All of the shooters I mentioned either have SF as their primary position or can play it for stretches. I assume you're talking about Johnson as a legit target if the Spurs trade into the top 5 though...right?

[AFBlue]

Don't know if this should go in the trade discussion thread, because it relates to the draft, but it seems there's a natural fit with the Pacers at the #10 spot and Spurs' Indianapolis product, George Hill. Is that an even trade for both teams?

[AFBlue]

Don't see that happening. I think a Parker trade is more likely than a Hill trade.

I get some of the reasons why a Parker trade makes more sense, but to me it sends the wrong signal to the current franchise cornerstone that left $12M on the table a few years ago for a chance to win a couple more championships.

I just don't see how the Spurs trade Parker and stay in contention. With the right moves though, I could see them coming out on the better end of a Hill deal.

Just my opinion.

[mountainballer]

agree that a Hill trade doesn't bring as much as many here think he would. teams see that he developed into a decent NBA player, but it's not that they will think he could once be as good as (let's say) Rajon Rondo.
his value certainly is higher than a late 1st rounder he was, likely around #15, if the Spurs put him on the market for a pick. paired with the #20 pick the Spurs might get into the 10-12 region. this would mean George or Henry. is it worth the price? I doubt it, especially considering the #20 pick also offers some intriguing options and also considering the Spurs have a lot of roster spot to fill for next season.

long term a Parker trade clearly has more upside, especially if the package also includes some useful (and inexpensive) role players.
note: this doesn't mean I want to see him traded. just evaluating the options.

[Chieflion]

03vz13U_T7I

Draftexpress' interview with Damion James. Second day of workouts. Notable other player in video: Paul George

Chieflion's updated mock draft: http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4406556&postcount=321

[manufan10]

Draft Express' Mock Draft has the Spurs taking:

1st Round:
#20: Luke Babbitt

2nd Round:
#19: Charles Garcia

[manufan10]

I read a Mock Draft that has the Spurs drafting Solomon Alabi, and from what I've read it appears he would be a good fit IF Splitter decides not to come over. A defensive big that can take some of the defensive pressure off of Duncan. However, how much trust would Popovich actually put in him to help Duncan is the question.

[mountainballer]

big group workout in NJ yesterday, open for all teams (Spurs were in attendance)
12 players, mostly borderline 1st rounders and 2nd rounders.

SHERRON COLLINS
JON SCHEYER
TIM OHLBRECHT
DEON THOMPSON
OMAR SAMHAN
ART PARAKHOUSKI
BEN UZOH
RODNEY GREEN
STANLEY ROBINSON
DARINGTON HOBSON
DEXTER PITTMAN
PABLO AGUILAR

according to several Twitter messages (Ford and others) Hobson was the best player (by far) and there are rumors he meanwhile has a 1st round promise. Pittman has also been impressive and Scheyer and Uzoh were good.
seems as if Robinson was a big disappointment. like Collins. (who was injured though, but gained 17lbs while out)

[Mr. Body]

Not surprised Stanley Robinson disappointed. UConn sucked last year; not his fault. But he's not that great and will likely be a 2nd rounder at this rate.

[ace3g]

San Antonio Spurs

Team Needs:

Draft Picks: 20th, 49th

Overview: C, SF

The Spurs seemingly have hit their ceiling with this group of players. San Antonio’s salary situation is tricky, with so much of their cap used up on their core of players who couldn’t get out of the second round. The one intriguing player in the mix is Tony Parker. He still has solid value around the league and with the emergence of George Hill, he might be expendable. Also, another team can take him for a test drive for a year with his contract expiring after the season. The team landed a steal in the second round last year with Dejuan Blair. Many of San Antonio’s role players are no longer under contract so a subtle changing of the guard could occur in San Antonio this offseason.

Needs:

Their core of players under contract includes two young players (Hill and Blair). They need to get younger and more athletic in the frontcourt and find depth for their 2/3 positions. With Roger Mason, Matt Bonner, and Keith Bogans all UFA’s, they are in the perfect position to add youth to replace those key reserve positions. The Spurs always find value late in the draft and this year should be no different. If Parker is going to be moved, finding a veteran backup to spell Hill at the PG spot becomes a necessity. This would allow them to draft an active big or wing player at the 20 spot (see Larry Sanders, Daniel Orton, Devin Ebanks, or James Anderson). They are rumored to have a promise with Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_ Williams, although there are also rumors that he has some knee concerns. With their second round pick they could go international and keep that player in Europe for a year or two to save money on the cap. With 65 million tied up with 7 players, there will be no room for a second rounder on San Antonio’s roster.

http://www.nbadraft.net/team-needs-southwest-division-1

[Chieflion]

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Damion-James-Workout-and-Interview-3501/

Draft prospects at the workout: Jordan Crawford, Damion James, Paul George, Luke Harangody, Frank Robinson

Current NBA player: Nick Young

Ex-NBA player: Don Maclean

[Chieflion]

Chieflion: Dissection of Draftexpress' NBA mock draft 2010 (1st round only)

1. Washington Wizards: John Wall (Nothing to critique here)

2. Philadelphia 76ers: Evan Turner (An outside chance they might pick Favors, but I would they go with the safe pick and go with the Naismith Player of the Year, Evan Turner.)

3. New Jersey Nets: Derrick Favors (Obvious choice here, Cousins and Johnson do not fit into the team, whose desperate need of a starting and franchise changing power forward, makes them choose the talent-oozing power forward. Up till now, I agree with all picks by draftexpress.)

4. Minnesota Timberwolves: DeMarcus Cousins (Again, I agree with this pick, taking BPA for the Wolves here, because of their situation with 3 1st round draft picks including this. They have cap space, and they could address their needs in the draft and free agency.)

5. Sacramento Kings: Greg Monroe (At first-hand, I disagree with this pick. Personally, I would pick Wesley Johnson, who I think has more attributes that translate to the NBA. However, Greg Monroe coming in would easily be the top big on the Kings. I could see why Draftexpress chose Monroe over Johnson for the Sacramento Kings.)

6. Golden State Warriors: Wesley Johnson (Assuming the Kings take Monroe, following Draftexpress' mock, the Warriors take a good pick with Wesley Johnson. Rumors have circulated that they will trade Anthony Randolph, 6th pick for Kevin Love and the 4th. If they trade Randolph without the pick for Love, they can bolster their small forward spot with the lengthy Wesley Johnson whose shooting abilities allow him to fit in with the Warriors nicely.)

7. Detroit Pistons: Al-Farouq Aminu (I took Udoh in my mock draft. I could not see why Draftexpress had Aminu taken by the Detroit Pistons. The Pistons already have Austin Daye, a project from last year, who was supposed to replace Tayshaun Prince in the near future. Aminu also has high bust potential who does not serve much needs for the Pistons, and he is not even that good of a player yet.)

8. Los Angeles Clippers: Ekpe Udoh (Draftexpress, to me personally, screwed up again with this pick, the Clippers have Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, Chris Kaman already. They do not need another power forward as he will play behind Griffin for little minutes. This will be a waste of a pick, assuming the Pistons take Aminu.)

9. Utah Jazz: Cole Aldrich (Come on, Draftexpress. This is a ridiculous pick. Unless you are making fun of the Jazz drafting white guys. Aldrich, although a good player, cannot shoot. The Jazz already have Okur, a center and he has the ability to shoot the 3 ball. They do not need a back-up center with Fesenko and Millsap around. What they need to do is to draft a SG/SF who can shoot and defend with an NBA body and 3-point shot, as they already are a playoff team and look to jump to the next level as contenders.)

10. Indiana Pacers: Ed Davis (No problems for me here, I like this pick at this point of time, and I don't like them reaching for a PG here.)

11. New Orleans Hornets: Patrick Patterson (Alliteration for the win. Ok, enough of this crap. Are you telling me a team with the best PG in the league injured for more than half of last season picks a PF for a team with David West and Emeka Okafor? Patterson is not even the highest upside player here. I would rather the Hornets draft Henry, George or Babbitt here.)

12. Memphis Grizzlies: Paul George (Now, assuming all 11 picks before this go like this, it is a good decision to take George. I may be wrong with the Grizzlies reaching for a PG here. If this is the pick, expect Rudy Gay to leave the Grizzlies.)

13. Toronto Raptors: Xavier Henry (The Raptors try to convince Bosh to stay by drafting a SG/SF combo who can score and his defensive potential may change the Raptors around a little. Overall, decent pick for the Raptors.)

14. Houston Rockets: Avery Bradley (Wait what? Sure he played in Texas as a freshman, but what the hell? This pick is just ridiculous. I don't see why the Rockets draft him with Brooks, Martin, Lowry forming their backcourt. Bradley would receive little to no time in this scenario and would not help the Rockets the following season.)

15. Milwaukee Bucks: Gordon Hayward (Personally, I think Babbitt is a better player and scorer, not sure why the Rockets pick him here if they want a SF.)

16. Minnesota Timberwolves: Hassan Whiteside (Ya, sure. Picking Cousins and Whiteside together in a draft is a really good idea. Is this a jab at the Rubio-Flynn situation in the 2009 draft?)

17. Chicago Bulls: Damion James (Ok, now I am confused. James is a good player but I don't see why Chicago picks him. With Luol Deng and James Johnson already on the team, Damion James would not receive significant playing time at all. This literally is the worst team he could possibly join, especially if LeBron enters the fray.)

[lurker23]

The more I look at this draft, the more I think the Spurs are going to do something unexpected. I know that's what we have come to expect from this front office, but I believe 1-2 of these things will happen:

1.) Spurs will trade out of the #20 pick.
2.) Spurs will draft a position other than SF.
3.) Spurs will pick someone who only has one page of discussion on the Think Tank forum.

[Blackjack]

The more I look at this draft, the more I think the Spurs are going to do something unexpected. I know that's what we have come to expect from this front office, but I believe 1-2 of these things will happen:

1.) Spurs will trade out of the #20 pick.
2.) Spurs will draft a position other than SF.
3.) Spurs will pick someone who only has one page of discussion on the Think Tank forum.

It's wise to suggest 1-2 things will happen and list three options when it's the Spurs. :lol

In all seriousness, I've had some similar thoughts. But that's the thing, I've seen a few people have similar thoughts. And if it's almost becoming conventional wisdom and almost expected, you can pretty much bet your ass they're gonna go chalk. :lol

So I'm thinking we're going to find some fire behind the smoke this year. They really don't have the opportunity to reach on a project and this draft doesn't seem to be loaded with great talent. So all the reported activity would makes sense for a team doing everything in its power to get another ring while Duncan's still aboard. You've got to go for it when you've got the chance, especially when your team's in a town like San Antonio.

So if they believe they can acquire a player via trade that will help them more than their draft pick, I could see them moving the pick. If the player available's a Jones or Willams and there just isn't a player (small forward or not) that's going to help them as much next year, they'll pick that player. If they can get their hands on Favors with a trade they believe to be advantageous for the next year or two, I believe they'll pull the trigger. So I'd say your first and second options are very real possibilities; but I don't think we'll be too suprised with the player, should they make the selection, this year.

[Blackjack]

Now I'm confused about the 1-2 . . .

Drinking tends to do that.

[AFBlue]

If the Spurs want to get better by trading Hill it won't be for just a draft pick. No player in this draft is better than George Hill until proven otherwise and especially a player selected 10th.

A Parker trade can bring in a very good to All-Star level player and a high draft pick or two. A Hill trade can't bring in much more than a draft pick or another player who was a late first round selection recently.

I understand trading Parker would net more in return, but trading a player that integral to the Spurs' present is a drastic move. I don't want to say it's a "blow it up" type of move because they'd net a nice return, but you'd have to think it'd be hard for them to get better in the short-run by making a trade like that.

By trading Hill on the other hand, you lose some depth at the PG position but would be able to pick up an impact player in the lottery. I understand that any player you get isn't as proven, but you could still get a talented player that fills a different role for the team. If the Spurs could grab a shot-blocker like Udoh or a swing player with upside like George or Henry, I think those players make up for the loss of Hill.

And in the scenario I presented, the Spurs still keep their #20 pick and are able to address a different need with that selection. To me, it's a less drastic way to retool the roster and get youth/athleticism infused at multiple positions.

[mountainballer]

So I'm thinking we're going to find some fire behind the smoke this year. They really don't have the opportunity to reach on a project and this draft doesn't seem to be loaded with great talent. So all the reported activity would makes sense for a team doing everything in its power to get another ring while Duncan's still aboard. You've got to go for it when you've got the chance, especially when your team's in a town like San Antonio.


I don't think that the Spurs only focus on the last Duncan years. I do think (and hope) they plan for the years beyond Tim.
IF the draft just was about the question, what can we do to help the team immediately, the answer is pretty simple: trade the pick for a proven player. period.
you never get any guarantee that the player you drafted won't turn into a car with four flat tires the moment he steps on a NBA court. no matter how NBA ready scouts rank him.
(remember for example Acie Law. he was labeled the "most NBA ready" player in the 2007 draft. Hawks needed immediate help at the point, so they reached for him. we know how much help they finally got from him)

IMO the Spurs don't expect help from their pick for the last Duncan years. if they get it, they won't complain. but this pick (if they use it and don't trade it) is already about the future. that's another reason why we shouldn't exclusively look at current team needs. sure, if an intriguing SF is on the board, they will likely pick him over other positions. but they won't pick a SF only to fill a current need. I rather think they use criteria like "how do we expect this player fits with George Hill or even Tiago Splitter 3 years from now"

[admiralsnackbar]

Because he played against shit comp in college. Im not saying the guy wont be a good pro but I think he would need to be in the right system like Utah, LA or Min.......for us I think he would struggle.

Like, say... George Hill? Or, in this draft, Paul George? What about our system do you think is so fundamentally different from the one in Utah? And what on Earth do Utah, LA, and Minny have in common that would suit him?

And in what universe are Maggette and Grant Hill washed up? Maggette had yet another fine season last year, and Grant Hill embarrassed RJ in the POs if you recall.

Batum, Casspi, and Ariza are all up-and-comers who I would gladly trade RJ for in a heartbeat. Do you even watch basketball?

[Chieflion]

Like, say... George Hill? Or, in this draft, Paul George? What about our system do you think is so fundamentally different from the one in Utah? And what on Earth do Utah, LA, and Minny have in common that would suit him?

And in what universe are Maggette and Grant Hill washed up? Maggette had yet another fine season last year, and Grant Hill embarrassed RJ in the POs if you recall.

Batum, Casspi, and Ariza are all up-and-comers who I would gladly trade RJ for in a heartbeat. Do you even watch basketball?

I think he watches basketball. He just doesn't know what he was watching.

[Blackjack]

I don't think that the Spurs only focus on the last Duncan years. I do think (and hope) they plan for the years beyond Tim.
IF the draft just was about the question, what can we do to help the team immediately, the answer is pretty simple: trade the pick for a proven player. period.
you never get any guarantee that the player you drafted won't turn into a car with four flat tires the moment he steps on a NBA court. no matter how NBA ready scouts rank him.
(remember for example Acie Law. he was labeled the "most NBA ready" player in the 2007 draft. Hawks needed immediate help at the point, so they reached for him. we know how much help they finally got from him)

IMO the Spurs don't expect help from their pick for the last Duncan years. if they get it, they won't complain. but this pick (if they use it and don't trade it) is already about the future. that's another reason why we shouldn't exclusively look at current team needs. sure, if an intriguing SF is on the board, they will likely pick him over other positions. but they won't pick a SF only to fill a current need. I rather think they use criteria like "how do we expect this player fits with George Hill or even Tiago Splitter 3 years from now"

I don't disagree with that because I don't believe they'd be picking a guy like Jones or Williams solely on their ability to contribute now. I think it'd give them the edge over some of the other prospects around 20 that might be a true small forward but nothing seemingly special, though.

Like I said, I don't see this draft as one deep with great talent. It's not a terrible draft devoid of talent but it just seems to have much more contributor/role-player types than stars. And should what I believe be true, I think it'd be a wise move to pick a better 'now' player that has a legitimate future in the league; at least one you believe to have the tools and makeup to be a solid player for years to come. So that's where I was coming from.

If they can move up to get a George, that's one thing. But if they stay at 20, I think the prudent thing to do would be to find a player in the Jones or Williams mold. Players that bring both the ability to help now and the prospect of being a nice piece for the future; I think they should use the pick when given the chance to get a nice player on a rookie-scale contract and I do believe they'll make a decision (should they use the pick) putting weight on it's present. If they can get their hands on a proven vet by moving the pick or find a worthwhile trade that could get them a Favors, I could see them pulling the trigger on that also.

Edit: Me losing my mind and train of thought towards the end there; corrected now.

[admiralsnackbar]

Texas 2 Step...your arguments are so silly that they are not worth the 20-30 minutes worth of keystrokes I would need to refute all of them. You live in some sort of fantasy land where project big men suddenly become Dikembe Mutombo overnight and Shaq still deserves the MLE. Have fun chasing unicorns. I'm moving on.

[benefactor]

I played D1 so I know a bit, I played with someone who will be drafted this year and Im boys with someone who was a first rounder last season.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/150/414375052_749a035f88.jpg

[benefactor]

There is a difference though...your actually know something about basketball.

OTOH, there have been some pretty dumb college players come through the pipeline. I guess I'll go out on a limb and say it's plausible.

[objective]

Hill your dead on played against bad teams but he was highly recriuted out of HS and could have gone anywhere not so with Babs.....

wrong

Babbitt was recruited by Ohio State to play with Turner and the rest of the guys, but like George Hill, decided to stay local and play with Nevada. There's an ESPN college podcast where I believe Katz and Gottlieb talked about it.

[benefactor]

wrong

Babbitt was recruited by Ohio State to play with Turner and the rest of the guys, but like George Hill, decided to stay local and play with Nevada. There's an ESPN college podcast where I believe Katz and Gottlieb talked about it.
How dare you question the knowledge of our resident D1 bench superstar.

[Blackjack]

I'm actually convinced T2S is a Cully troll. He has to be someone's.

[Blackjack]

And it's brilliant, by the way. Great subtly for a troll. :tu

[Bender]

..

..
Phila, I voted for you and this doesn't cut it.

[The Truth #6]

Its hard being a good troll. You have to know enough about basketball to know the right thing to say, but then have the concentration to distort it into something bizarre that could almost pass for being believable.

[Bender]

I'll make it up to you bender.
:toast
yeah I was just kidding around too. I've been ignoring this thread for a couple days, and it looked liked I missed out on some joking around.

[Chieflion]

Back to draft talk, Phila. Enough of the D1 and NBA player nonsense.

Now, I don't think Memphis wants to move up with their late firsts so assuming the Spurs pick at 20, with Hayward, Babbitt, Henry and George all gone, we will be left with this pool of SFs. As much as we are all enthused about getting two 1st rounders, that isn't going to happen probably.

Damion James (May already be gone by 20)
James Anderson (May already be gone by 20)
Quincy Pondexter (Most likely there)
Stanley Robinson (Most likely there)
Devin Ebanks (Most likely there)

Here now lies a problem. Key thing here is that, if both James Anderson and Damion James are already taken, we will be left with Pondexter, Ebanks and Robinson. These guys are not worth using the 20th pick on, but that doesn't matter to the Spurs front office, they don't give a hoot about such things. That is not the point though. With only Robinson, Ebanks and Pondexter, the Spurs may not like any of them and not choose any one of these guys. I hope that one of James or Anderson will still be there if this scenario occurs but for the sake of this hypothetical that both are off the board, let us analyze the situation further.

Let us recall back to 2008, when Batum got snatched right in front of our eyes, the Spurs look to George Hill, a relative unknown at that time.

Okay, after that upsetting short paragraph for Batum lovers, let us get back to the present. The Spurs may look into the guards which was what happened in 2008. Frankly speaking, this is a good year for GMs who want to draft their combo guards. Now, we have the following.

Avery Bradley (Outside chance of being available)
Eric Bledsoe (May be there at 20)
Elli0t Williams (Most likely there at 20)
Dominque Jones (Most likely there at 20)
Willie Warren (Most likely there at 20)
Jordan Crawford (Most likely there at 20)
Terrico White (Most likely there at 20)

Problem here is that Crawford and White are not really 1st round calibre guys. They are borderline out of it. They are early second rounders trying to impress and make it to the 1st round. If the Spurs draft Bledsoe in this scenario, the Parker situation gets extremely more complicated. I am going to assume that Bradley will not be available here because that is the most likely situation. Now we have Elli0t Williams, Willie Warren and Dominque Jones, all three being smaller SGs and combo guards and are a "reach" to be drafted at 20, which is another problem.

I don't really believe the Spurs are trying to acquire another big here as they want Splitter in and he wants to be guaranteed rotation minutes. Another big may be useless here.

In conclusion, I believe that drafting at 20 has to be the biggest headache for the Spurs for quite a while and the best thing is to hope that one of Damion James or James Anderson actually stay undrafted until 20.

[Bender]

only 11 more days!

[Blackjack]

I think we've all overlooked a significant factor for the next Spur. Something that's gotta be in the criteria of their new prospect. The 'E.'

The player must have a name that the letter 'E' can be added to.

For example:

Tim-E

Tone-E (go with it)

George-E

Ian-E

Matt-E

Manu has a wife named Man-E (again, go with it)

We await the arrival of Mr. Tiag-E

'Lik-E (Malik)

Gare-E (Temple)

G-E (Alonzo -- work with M-E)


Just something y'all should consider.

[Bender]

Pop giving his players little kid's names always drove me crazy.

"Timmy" is a 5 year old kid, not a pro bball player in his 30s.

Same with Matty. Actually Matty is a girls name.

Lucky for Pop we have a Tony, no conversion necessary.

Blackjack, you're really stretching on a few of those! :lol

[TimDunkem]

Devin Ebanks it is.

[DPG21920]

Is there any update on the Spurs Summer League Schedule?

[Blackjack]

Blackjack, you're really stretching on a few of those! :lol

Maybe, but Mr. Tiag-E I think could stick. The potential photoshops are endless!

[Blackjack]

Is there any update on the Spurs Summer League Schedule?

I seem to remember those coming out a little while after the draft. At least, it always seemed like teams got their players and then we're all waiting to find out when we get a chance to see them play or hear how they did.

[Bruno]

DX has updated their mock draft. They have us drafting Sanders.

They also said on their twitter that Minny will likely go with Wes Johnson at #4. It means that they likely won't go with a SF at #16. Good news for Spurs.

[TD 21]

DX has updated their mock draft. They have us drafting Sanders.

They also said on their twitter that Minny will likely go with Wes Johnson at #4. It means that they likely won't go with a SF at #16. Good news for Spurs.

This is the Timberwolves we're talking about here. If they draft one position early, all it means is that they're apt to draft a cadre of players who play the same position throughout the draft.

[lurker23]

DX has updated their mock draft. They have us drafting Sanders.

They also said on their twitter that Minny will likely go with Wes Johnson at #4. It means that they likely won't go with a SF at #16. Good news for Spurs.

@DraftExpress

I assume yes. Heard they like Udoh. RT @sofargonz: Does this mean the Wolves will target a big man they worked out at #16, like Whiteside?

http://twitter.com/DraftExpress

[Bruno]

I wonder how Bulls see James Johnson. He has had a bad rookie season so they could try to dump him to create more capspace.

Spurs could offer a trade like #20 + Hairston + Jerrells for #17 + James Johnson. At #17, there is a good chance that at least one of Henry, George, babbitt or Hayward is still available.

[Chieflion]

I wonder how Bulls see James Johnson. He has had a bad rookie season so they could try to dump him to create more capspace.

Spurs could offer a trade like #20 + Hairston + Jerrells for #17 + James Johnson. At #17, there is a good chance that at least one of Henry, George, babbitt or Hayward is still available.

I think we could also look at the Hawks #24 pick if the Spurs want to draft Quincy Pondexter. We don't need to give up a 1st rounder. The Hawks reportedly don't like what they see in their draft prospects and look to trade out. They also need to re-sign Joe Johnson and Jeff Teague has not seen the floor a lot.

[TD 21]

Can't see the Bulls giving up on Johnson and giving up a higher pick just for more cap space. The only way they'd do that is if they had an inkling that two of the big fish were going to sign their. Even then, they could probably do better than Hairston, Jerrells and a lower pick.

As for the Hawks, apparently they're okay with Johnson leaving. In this case, they'd probably go after a cheaper alternative such as Salmons, Childress, etc. Woodson told Bibby at the end of the season that Teague would get first crack at being the starter next season. Doesn't mean Drew will necessarily follow through on that, but I imagine the job will at least be open going into training camp.

[TD 21]

There's no chance Turner drops to four. The Wolves were hurt most from the draft lottery results, not the Nets. The Nets will still get a player who's a good fit for their team, whereas the Wolves won't.

Cousins isn't the type of big man they need but at the same time he'll be the best talent available at four. So if they don't pick him and he becomes a star, they'll be vilified and if they do pick him they'll be vilified, similar to how they were last year for drafting too many point guards.

Johnson, like Brewer, is not a shooting guard, which is what the Wolves need more than anything. They should try to package their picks to move up to second or third, but short of that they should find a team that's sold on Cousins (Pistons potentially) and acquire multiple assets in order to give up the pick. Unless the Wolves think Johnson is better than what they can get for Cousins, that is.

[mountainballer]

in another thread one of you guys mentioned that Grizzlies are a good trade partner for either trade down, or trade up scenarios. (sorry don't remember who wrote it and where).
first of, I totally agree.
starting point of my thought was, that in fact Elli0t Williams is their main target. (they can use him well behind Mayo and Conley, gives security if Brewer leaves, hometown kid, local college star)
if they want Williams, they face a little dilemma. #12 is a reach. #25 might very well be to late. (teams like Spurs 20, Blazers 22 and Wolves 23 could use him and like him).
a trade with Spurs seems logical, especially with the Spurs likely looking for a player who should be there at #12 but not at #20. (Henry, George, Babbitt). trade would cost the next years 1st rounder plus likely some cash.
good deal for both, if grizzlies in fact want Williams.

[AFBlue]

in another thread one of you guys mentioned that Grizzlies are a good trade partner for either trade down, or trade up scenarios. (sorry don't remember who wrote it and where).
first of, I totally agree.
starting point of my thought was, that in fact Elli0t Williams is their main target. (they can use him well behind Mayo and Conley, gives security if Brewer leaves, hometown kid, local college star)
if they want Williams, they face a little dilemma. #12 is a reach. #25 might very well be to late. (teams like Spurs 20, Blazers 22 and Wolves 23 could use him and like him).
a trade with Spurs seems logical, especially with the Spurs likely looking for a player who should be there at #12 but not at #20. (Henry, George, Babbitt). trade would cost the next years 1st rounder plus likely some cash.
good deal for both, if grizzlies in fact want Williams.

I said it in the Pondexter thread...


Of those, the Grizzlies remain the most intriguing. They could be trade partners up (#12 for #20 and future first) or back (#20 and #49 for #25 and #28).

My thought posting there was that the Grizzlies are realistic trade partners even if a target of the Spurs is not around at the #12 pick. I'm not sure Pondexter is a guy they're targeting if they decide to move back instead of up, but it makes some sense.

Either way it shakes out, I think there's a pretty good chance E. Williams is the selection for the Spurs on draft night...whether he stays or goes is another matter.

Who do you think they would target if they decided to tade back for multiple picks at the bottom of the first?

[mountainballer]

Who do you think they would target if they decided to tade back for multiple picks at the bottom of the first?

I think it is pretty noticeable that they worked out almost only either combo guards and SFs from the projected 1st rounders.
so, if they get two late 1st rounders, it would make some sense to pick one from either group. at 25 and 28 this could be like Pondexter plus Jones (this would be my favorite scenario then), or maybe Hobson plus Warren. if James drops (which some mocks project), he would be a very nice pick that late. maybe even Bradley drops. (don't think so). for Longhorn and Spurs fans (heard there are some) it would be a nice draft if they end up with Bradley and James plus Pittman at #49.
(ok this is really unlikley. just saying)

[lotr1trekkie]

There is no #20 who is going to impact the Spurs this year. Trade TP---dumbasses. Unless your getting Bosh or Amare it makes no sense. Tim has a 2 year window. We don't have time to " develope" players. Signing Tiaggo is the first domino. If he balks again then all bets are off. Spurs should keep the big 3 together until Timmy calls it off.
Tony has a super-rich wife with ties to SA and a mansion in LA. He's not going east. He will not sign. He will become a FA and then decide between the Clippers or Lakers.

[Ditty]

i thought it was at 7pm but i beleive its 6 now but i dont care about the top 5 everyone know whos going to go those picks and it takes a hour to do 5 picks spurs will probaly pick around 730 close to 8

[Bruno]

A lot of international players have withdrawn from the draft: Aguilar, Benzing, Bogdanovic, Jackson, Diot, Kuzminskas, Rabaseda...

For the moment, I've seen only 3 international players in: Séraphin, Heurtel and Ryan Richards.

It looks like Spurs won't have a lot of good draft and stash options at #49.

[Blackjack]

I guess they could take a good collegiate athlete that's a little rough around the edges (maybe in need of a positional change) and work a deal to send him overseas ala Gist; or they could just use it in a package to move up or get some cash.

[Bruno]

Even if the international pool of player is thin, there should still have a couple of international players available at #49.

Spurs also could go with a raw bigman with some upside, sign him as the 6th PF/C and work with him in Austin during the whole year. Latavious Williams, Samardo Samuels, Jarvis Varnado, Dwayne Collins, Charles Garcia or Ryan Richards could be good candidates to fit that spot.

[Blackjack]

Where's your thinking with Ian, do you think he's still in the picture if they both get Tiago over and draft a Big to place on the Toros?

[Bruno]

Where's your thinking with Ian, do you think he's still in the picture if they both get Tiago over and draft a Big to place on the Toros?

I think it could work. Dice will retire in 2011 and Duncan should retire in 2012. There will have some playing time available at PF/C in the future.

However, if Spurs go with a bigman at #20, I think it's the end of Mahinmi with Spurs.

[mountainballer]

just read a rumor from a twitter on hoopshype reporting that Denver tries to acquire a lottery pick and offers Ty Lawson.
so they could very well become a competitor for picks the Spurs are targeting.
like the #12 from the Grizzlies. the Grizzlies might be intrigued by Lawson,(likely the Nuggets need to add some teaser). Raptors might also be interested, considering they have put Calderon and Jack on the market.

[Bruno]

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/16755/kevin-pritchard-going-out-in-a-blaze-of-glory


Blazers GM Kevin Pritchard may be fighting for his job, but it hasn't stopped him from being aggressive in trade talks and draft discussions.

Two league sources told ESPN.com that the Blazers (who pick at No. 22) have been very active in trade discussions. Specifically, the team has been hunting for a pick in the mid-first round -- somewhere between 16 and 19. They appear to be trying to move ahead of the San Antonio Spurs, who pick 20.

Who is their target? According to sources, the Blazers like several players including Damion James, Daniel Orton and Solomon Alabi. They also like international big man Kevin Seraphin from France. The concern in Portland is that the players they're targeting might all be gone before the 22nd pick.

The obsession continue...
:rollin

[Blackjack]

Naturally. But like you astutely pointed out:

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/2008/01/27/spy_hunter_smoke_screen.jpg

Dem Spurs be tricky. :hat

[Mr. Body]

According to sources, the Blazers like several players including Damion James, Daniel Orton and Solomon Alabi. They also like international big man Kevin Seraphin from France.

Wow, jumping ahead for those players?

[mountainballer]

Wow, jumping ahead for those players?

nonsense report IMO. (not the trade up, the players they mentioned as targets)

I could definitely see them target Elli0t Williams. then it is clear why they want to leapfrog the Spurs, if they believe in the rumors the Spurs pick Williams.
Williams makes a lot of sense for them, considering Fernandez wants out. with Roy handling the ball mostly, a super versatile guard, who can defend well the 1 and 2 (like Williams does) would be the perfect compliment for Roy and could also fit nice alongside Bayless.

[Chieflion]

nonsense report IMO. (not the trade up, the players they mentioned as targets)

I could definitely see them target Elli0t Williams. then it is clear why they want to leapfrog the Spurs, if they believe in the rumors the Spurs pick Williams.
Williams makes a lot of sense for them, considering Fernandez wants out. with Roy handling the ball mostly, a super versatile guard, who can defend well the 1 and 2 (like Williams does) would be the perfect compliment for Roy and could also fit nice alongside Bayless.
mountainballer, thinking like he is the Blazers' GM already. :tu

[mountainballer]

mountainballer, thinking like he is the Blazers' GM already. :tu

damn. caught me. yeah you are right. I took a quick look at the Blazers roster and thought who they could use well from the players in their range. and it was neither Alabi, James, Orton. it was Bradley, Jones and Williams.

[Bruno]

My draft and stash ranking for Spurs at #49:

1: Miroslav Raduljica
2: Nemanja Bjelica
3: Tyler Smith
4: Alexey Shved
5: Marko Kesselj
6: Paulao Prestes

[Libri]

My draft and stash ranking for Spurs at #49:

1: Miroslav Raduljica
2: Nemanja Bjelica
3: Tyler Smith
4: Alexey Shved
5: Marko Kesselj
6: Paulao Prestes

I can see the Spurs picking Bjelica or Prestes. Their agent is Herb Rudoy, who also represents Manu and Splitter.

[Mel_13]

I can see the Spurs picking Bjelica or Prestes. Their agent is Herb Rudoy, who also represents Manu and Splitter.

That's an interesting tidbit there about Manu and Splitter having the same agent.

[wildbill2u]

My draft and stash ranking for Spurs at #49:

1: Miroslav Raduljica
2: Nemanja Bjelica
3: Tyler Smith
4: Alexey Shved
5: Marko Kesselj
6: Paulao Prestes

I must be missing something. Don't the Spurs usually use their first round pick for the "draft and stash" in order to save money on untested talent.

Since they're in the luxury tax already, I could see them doing this with Seraphin if he's still there at 20 in order to save guaranteed money.

[dc_spursfan]

I must be missing something. Don't the Spurs usually use their first round pick for the "draft and stash" in order to save money on untested talent.

Since they're in the luxury tax already, I could see them doing this with Seraphin if he's still there at 20 in order to save guaranteed money.


Normally, yes they use their first round pick to draft and stash. However there is two reasons why it is doubtful they would stash a 1st rounder this time.

1) The Spurs normally don't get to draft this high. The Spurs are in a nice draft position to either trade up or sit back and take the best player left.

2) In most years the Spurs roster is already set before the draft even starts. This year Temple(D-League) Mason, Bogans, Bonner, Ian, and Hairston could all be gone. Also, Parker and Jefferson be could traded and if not it is almost a lock that RJ won't be back after next season.

The Spurs must draft a player that can play this season.

[Bruno]

I must be missing something. Don't the Spurs usually use their first round pick for the "draft and stash" in order to save money on untested talent.

Since they're in the luxury tax already, I could see them doing this with Seraphin if he's still there at 20 in order to save guaranteed money.

Not really...
First round picks drafted and stashed by Spurs: Mahinmi and Splitter.
Second round picks drafted and stashed by Spurs: Giricek, Ginobili, Javtokas, Scola, Karaulov, Sanikidze, De Colo and Gist.

The idea behind "draft and stash" second round pick is that players available in that area aren't very good. If you go with a college player, he has a good chance to be waived in his first year and it's a wasted pick. If you go with an international player, you can hope that he develop into a legit player after some years in Europe.

The best example of that is last year with Spurs. Spurs go with McClintock at #51 and waive him even before the training camp. Spurs go with De Colo at #53. He has had a great year in Europe and if he continues his development next year, he could turn into an interesting player for Spurs.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

The idea behind "draft and stash" second round pick is that players available in that area aren't very good. If you go with a college player, he has a good chance to be waived in his first year and it's a wasted pick. If you go with an international player, you can hope that he develop into a legit player after some years in Europe.
Why do international players have this advantage? Gist came from college and when on to an international league. Why can't others do the same?

[Bruno]

Why do international players have this advantage? Gist came from college and when on to an international league. Why can't others do the same?

It's easier to accept for an international player to stay in his country than for a college player to postponed his NBA dream to go overseas.

Some college players like Gist have agreed to go overseas. If Spurs can find a college player who agreed with going in Europe, he could also be a candidate to be drafted and stashed.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Got it, thanks :tu.

[lurker23]

I posted a near-final trade in the general trades discussion (Kings get Dalembert, Philly gets Hawes/Nocioni). Here are the potential draft implications:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5297829

But the real ramifications may come during the draft. The Sixers have been deciding between Evan Turner and Derrick Favors with the No. 2 pick. While Sixers general manager Ed Stefanski is a Turner fan, head coach Doug Collins is high on Favors. With Dalembert gone and Nocioni in, it could push them in the direction of Favors.

For the Kings, this could also change their draft equation. The team has been looking at drafting DeMarcus Cousins and Greg Monroe, both centers. With this deal, it could allow them to address another need at the three. the Kings have been high on both Al-Farouq Aminu and Gordon Hayward.

[Bruno]

But the real ramifications may come during the draft. The Sixers have been deciding between Evan Turner and Derrick Favors with the No. 2 pick. While Sixers general manager Ed Stefanski is a Turner fan, head coach Doug Collins is high on Favors. With Dalembert gone and Nocioni in, it could push them in the direction of Favors.


:lmao
That's damn stupid.
First, Nocioni is nowhere good enough to have an impact on the 2nd pick.
Second, the reason why Sixers do this trade is to get Hawes, a big man.

If this trade has an impact on #2, it will push Sixers to draft Turner.

[Blackjack]

Did I miss something? Because, even though I didn't get to see much of him last year, Hawes was someone I believed to be a much better player and prospect than just some throw-in or a guy you wouldn't mind manning the 4 for a long time on most teams . . .

[TD 21]

Did I miss something? Because, even though I didn't get to see much of him last year, Hawes was someone I believed to be a much better player and prospect than just some throw-in or a guy you wouldn't mind manning the 4 for a long time on most teams . . .

Hawes had clearly fallen out of favor with the Kings, which was apparent the moment they acquired Landry. With Landry and Thompson, who they clearly hold in higher regard, Hawes wasn't a good fit with them. They needed a better rebounder/shot blocker with more mobility than Hawes. Dalembert fits the bill.

The thing with Dalembert is, he went from near (or maybe full fledged) albatross to appealing, because he's now an expiring contract. Let's face it, that, combined with the fact that he's still in his prime and is a 6-11 guy who can protect the rim, makes him (somewhat) valuable.

So Hawes wasn't a throw-in, he was a large pat of the appeal for the 76ers to make this trade. Sure, they wanted to shed Dalembert's salary sooner than later, but I don't think they would have been so desperate as to take on Nocioni's awful contract unless they were getting a decent prospect in return.

[Blackjack]

Hawes had clearly fallen out of favor with the Kings, which was apparent the moment they acquired Landry. With Landry and Thompson, who they clearly hold in higher regard, Hawes wasn't a good fit with them. They needed a better rebounder/shot blocker with more mobility than Hawes. Dalembert fits the bill.

The thing with Dalembert is, he went from near (or maybe full fledged) albatross to appealing, because he's now an expiring contract. Let's face it, that, combined with the fact that he's still in his prime and is a 6-11 guy who can protect the rim, makes him (somewhat) valuable.

So Hawes wasn't a throw-in, he was a large pat of the appeal for the 76ers to make this trade. Sure, they wanted to shed Dalembert's salary sooner than later, but I don't think they would have been so desperate as to take on Nocioni's awful contract unless they were getting a decent prospect in return.

Oh, I wasn't suggesting he was a throw-in. But I was wondering how Ford (if that's who it was) could possibly view him as such. It's one thing if a team just happens to have some quality youth in the front court and chooses to go another direction because of fit and need, but to suggest Hawes is basically a throw-in or just some "guy," seemed a bit ridiculous, IMO.

[TD 21]

Oh, I wasn't suggesting he was a throw-in. But I was wondering how Ford (if that's who it was) could possibly view him as such. It's one thing if a team just happens to have some quality youth in the front court and chooses to go another direction because of fit and need, but to suggest Hawes is basically a throw-in or just some "guy," seemed a bit ridiculous, IMO.

My mistake. Ford is an idiot. He get's carried away with so many prospects going into the draft, then a few years later if they're not a star, he acts like they have no value. I'm fairly certain he was building up Hawes (not to Milicic proportions, mind you) going into his draft year. Now a few years down the road, just because the guy isn't a star and has glaring flaws, he acts like he's got no value.

He's a decent prospect. The 76ers add him to Turner/Favors, Iguodala, Young, Holliday, Speights and Williams, which gives them a fairly solid core going forward.

[Blackjack]

Plus he's really looked like he's going to be a three-point threat in this league and the Sixers need all the quality shooting they can get.

[DPG21920]

Hawes took a step back last year. We will see how this goes. Shoot, if RJ could bring back similar value I would be thrilled.

[AFBlue]

Chad Ford put out his fifth edition of a first round mock, and for the fifth consecutive time he has the Spurs drafting Damion James with the following players still on the theoretical board:

Hassan Whiteside
Daniel Orton
Larry Sanders
E. Williams
Quincy Pondexter
Dominique Jones

Personally, I'd take all but Orton or Jones over James at that spot.

[lurker23]

For those who felt that the Sixers would draft Turner...you got some pretty good evidence of such earlier today:

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/06/18/sixers-will-draft-evan-turner-according-to-sixers-website/

[Bruno]

^ There is a great Sixers insider on realgm message board and he is saying since the lottery that Sixers are in love with Turner and he is a lock at #2.

What will be very interesting to know for Spurs are player in the green room. So far 9 are in (Wall, Turner, Favors, Johnson, Cousins, Monroe, Aminu, Aldrich, Udoh). 5 or 6 will be added and it's quite safe to say that these 14 or 15 players won't be there at #20. If one (or more) of Henry, George, Babbit or Hayward isn't in the green room, it means Spurs could have a legit chance of grabbing him either at #20 or by moving up of a couple of spots.

[tdunk21]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=31604

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/bay/sports/m-baskbl/auto_widephoto/2736384.jpeg

Josh Lomers(Baylor Bears)
Birth Place Boerne, TX
Height 7-0
Weight 280 lbs.
Position C
Experience 4 years
Class Senior

[tdunk21]

http://projectspurs.com/2010-articles/june/spurs-to-work-out-baylors-lomers.html


The San Antonio Spurs will work out Josh Lomers from Baylor University as the 2010 NBA Draft nears:

Lomers has been in the San Francisco/Oakland area for a few weeks training with Entersport and will stay there through the end of the week before he comes back to Texas. He'll go to Waco for a short stay before heading to San Antonio where he’s going to attend a Spurs mini-camp in hopes of impressing a few people.

Lomers said he would love to play with the Spurs or any other NBA team for that matter...

Lomers is 7"0', 280 lbs., who averaged 6.6 points, 3.7 rebounds, and 1.1 blocks with Baylor University in the 2009-2010 season. He is also from Boerne, Texas.

[MaNu4Tres]

/\/\

:jack

[Darkwaters]

Josh Lomers!

[benefactor]

lol DX not even bothering to make a profile for him.

[Mel_13]

http://projectspurs.com/2010-articles/june/spurs-to-work-out-baylors-lomers.html


/\/\

:jack


lol DX not even bothering to make a profile for him.

Bruno posted the original, unedited, article from the Boerne Star over in the FA thread. The Spurs mini-camp mentioned is scheduled for July 8th. So Lomars will be looking for a shot at a SL or training camp invite, this is not a pre-draft workout.

http://boernestar.com/articles/2010/06/18/sports/boerne/doc4c1bb2859b8f3668003656.txt

[MaNu4Tres]

Bruno posted the original, unedited, article from the Boerne Star over in the FA thread. The Spurs mini-camp mentioned is scheduled for July 8th. So Lomars will be looking for a shot at a SL or training camp invite, this is not a pre-draft workout.

http://boernestar.com/articles/2010/06/18/sports/boerne/doc4c1bb2859b8f3668003656.txt

True.

FWIW Spurs actually work out several rookie free agents and D-Leaguers in these rookie free agent mini-camps during the free agent period before training camp actually begins.

Lomars' invitation just happens to be one of many to get leaked.

[Spurs Brazil]

Bulls Will Consider Dealing 17th Pick

Jun 19, 2010 10:27 AM EST
The Bulls have the 17th overall pick in next week's NBA Draft and it appears to be available.

Chicago general manager Gar Forman told the team's web site that he'd consider trading the pick if the right situation arises.

Forman added that the Bulls have had some discussions about dealing the pick to create additional cap space, but that trading the selection by itself is "not significant enough" to make a deal.

"It would have to be the pick with a combination of something else," Forman said.

Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67287/20100619/bulls_will_consider_dealing_17th_pick/#ixzz0rKiMPxpn

[AFBlue]

Interesting note...it's pretty unanimously agreed upon that the Spurs' biggest need is at SF, but the two biggest positions worked out thus far are at SG and PF. And the only SGs that could play some SF are probably Henry and Stephenson.

I think we're in for an interesting first pick (for Spurs) and overall draft...as always.

[Spurs Brazil]

Are the Utah Jazz after a 2nd 1st-round draft pick?

SALT LAKE CITY — If what University of South Florida combo guard Dominique Jones says is true, the Jazz may be trying to trade for a second first-round draft pick.

Jones doesn't expect to be taken as early as No. 9, when Utah makes its first pick in Thursday's NBA Draft. But he doesn't expect to be around when they make their second selection, either, at No. 55 overall in the second round.

Why, then, did Jones join nine others — including possible lottery pick Paul George of Fresno State and Alabama-Birmingham shooting guard Elijah Millsap — in working out Saturday for the Jazz?

"I heard a rumor they might be getting around a 20-some pick," Jones said.

So are the Jazz really looking to deal?

"We, as a staff, try to be prepared for everything," said Jazz player personnel vice president Walt Perrin.

"If come draft day somebody says 'We'll give you another pick,' or 'You can buy another pick,' or 'You can trade for another pick' — move down or whatever — we have to be prepared for that."

Perrin neither confirmed nor denied that Jazz general manager Kevin O'Connor is aggressively pursuing acquisition of a pick in the 20s.

"Is he talking to everybody? Yes. I mean, that's what everybody in the league (does). They talk to every other GM and toss out scenarios," Perrin said. "As I've always said ... the winner in this time of year is Ma Bell, because everybody's on the phone and everybody's talking.


"Most of the stuff never gets done. But it's talked about."

Two teams, Minnesota and Memphis, own three first-round picks. Minnesota's third is No. 23. Two of Memphis' are also in the 20s, No. 25 and No. 28.

New Jersey has two picks, including No. 27. Oklahoma City also has two, No. 21 and No. 26.

Oklahoma City has been aggressive about trying to move up and Minnesota continues "to look in all directions," ESPN.com recently reported. And The Commercial Appeal newspaper reported Memphis is "exploring deals that may compel (it) to move one or two picks."

Jones, Perrin suggested, is a candidate to be taken in the 20s. He led the Big East in scoring as a junior last season, averaging 21.4 points over 33 games.

Other could-go-in-the-20s prospects the Jazz have worked out include George, Marshall center Hassan Whiteside, Texas shooting guard Avery Bradley, Texas small forward Damion James, Iowa State power forward Craig Brackins, Virginia Commonwealth power forward Larry Sanders and Georgia Tech power forward Gani Lawal.

BY GEORGE: At 6-foot-9 and pegged to play primarily shooting guard in the NBA, Paul George thinks he can be "a matchup problem night in and night out" at the next level.

"I think I will be able to come in and contribute right away," said George, who averaged 16.8 points per game as a sophomore last season.

A possible lottery pick, the Fresno State product recently canceled a workout with Toronto because of a re-injured hip flexor.

During Saturday's audition, Perrin said George "struggled a little bit because of that" and didn't shoot particularly well. But pre-drafts workouts have helped his rising stock, George feels.

"I didn't get a chance to really show my full repertoire (at Fresno), and everything that I could do," he said, "so to get a chance to do it now has been the key."

Despite Saturday's showing, Perrin calls George a "very talented kid" and "very intriguing."

"Is he skilled enough to play right now? Yes," Perrin said. "But of course, like most college basketball players, he needs to get a little bit stronger and understand the NBA game."

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700041665/Are-the-Utah-Jazz-after-a-2nd-1st-round-draft-pick.html?pg=2

[TimDunkem]

^ How would you know that?

[AFBlue]

Trust me.

No one can really trust you because you haven't come with "insider" information or insight as of yet. There are certain posters that have the beat on specific Spurs players or aspects of the franchise...to this point, you're not one of them.

I also question why the Spurs would zero in on two players that they haven't even personally worked out. Not saying it's impossible to select them, but it would seem they'd at least like to interview them before making a $2M decision.

[SenorSpur]

Bulls Will Consider Dealing 17th Pick

Jun 19, 2010 10:27 AM EST
The Bulls have the 17th overall pick in next week's NBA Draft and it appears to be available.

Chicago general manager Gar Forman told the team's web site that he'd consider trading the pick if the right situation arises.

Forman added that the Bulls have had some discussions about dealing the pick to create additional cap space, but that trading the selection by itself is "not significant enough" to make a deal.

"It would have to be the pick with a combination of something else," Forman said.

Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67287/20100619/bulls_will_consider_dealing_17th_pick/#ixzz0rKiMPxpn

Like a lot of NBA teams, I'm sure the Spurs will have tentative, pre-arranged trades on the table, and will be ready to "pull the trigger" if a specific player they like starts to fall.

[AFBlue]

MYSA.com has compiled a list of potential draftees that J-Mac has profiled in recent weeks. I don't know how much you can actually infer from the list, but here are the names along with a blip from J-Mac.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/at_no_20_the_spurs_select__96736879.html?showFullA rticle=y

[benefactor]

lol MySA

[Mr. Body]

Take it for what its worth spurs are zeroing in on James, Crawford and Alabi at 20.

Look at that. I just threw up.

[Blackjack]

Updated: Consensus Mock Draft (http://www.nba.com/2010/news/05/18/consensus.mock/index.html)

George has fallen out of the lottery, with regards to the consensus, but DX has him going at 8.

As far as the wings most would like to see the Spurs draft, it's looking like a pretty decent possibility one of Henry, Babbitt or George will fall out of the lottery.

The consensus says that'll most likely be George on the outside looking in, but the Spurs would still need to probably get their hands on Chicago's pick if he's who they want.

[Spurs Brazil]

Hayward Among Those Invited To Green Room

Butler forward Gordon Hayward is among the players that have been selected to attend Thursday night's NBA Draft.

The league usually invites 15 players to sit in the green room.

Hayward has been projected to go as high as eighth to the Clippers and as low as the late-teens. He will work out for the Pacers on Monday.



Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67315/20100621/hayward_among_those_invited_to_green_room/#ixzz0rW9aQMnN

[ace3g]

SpearsNBAYahoo

Warriors trade 34th draft pick to Portland for 44th and cash

[ace3g]

chadfordinsider

Blazers swap the 44th pick & cash for the 34th pick. They like some guys at 34, but could package with 22 to move up a few spots

[ace3g]

Portland's Depth Makes Prospects Want To Avoid Workouts

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67316/20100621/portlands_depth_makes_prospects_want_to_avoid_work outs/#ixzz0rWqx4w5D

The Trail Blazers are having difficulty scheduling individual draft workouts this year due to their depth at a number of positions.

"When you look at Portland's roster, if you're a wing player, they've got four or five wings. If you're a big guy, they've got three centers," said agent Bill Duffy.

"You have to be a student analyzing the composition of the roster, before you allow your guy to go in there. Because a lot of times team say, 'We're going to draft the best player.' Well, for us, that best player might be the third guy on your depth chart when he gets to your team."

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67316/20100621/portlands_depth_makes_prospects_want_to_avoid_work outs/#ixzz0rWr01jIB

[Pistons < Spurs]

DraftExpress

13 confirmed Green Room Invites so far: Wall, Turner, Favors, Cousins, Johnson, Monroe, Aminu, Udoh, Davis, Hayward, Aldrich, Babbitt,George


DraftExpress

Supposedly three more Green Room invites still going out. Have to imagine they go to Patrick Patterson/Xavier Henry & probably Avery Bradley

[ace3g]

WojYahooNBA

Minnesota offering Jonny Flynn and two first-round picks (16 and 23) to Indiana for a package that includes the 10th pick, sources tell Y!

Adrian Wojnarowski WojYahooNBA

Y! Sources: World Wide Wes pitching to teams that trading for Chris Paul is way to get edge on signing LeBron. http://tinyurl.com/2bvu5v6

[benefactor]

I'm really starting to think you are just a very well put together troll.

[MaNu4Tres]

I'm really starting to think you are just a very well put together troll.

:toast

[TD 21]

Ford's latest draft buzz...


The draft is now just three days away and things are beginning to get a little bit clearer. I spent the weekend on the phone talking with various NBA executives and agents trying to get a handle on what's happening in the draft.
Here's the latest:
The Philadelphia 76ers and Sacramento Kings made the first big trade of the offseason last Thursday, swapping Samuel Dalembert for Andres Nocioni and Spencer Hawes. While the deal made sense for both teams (the Kings needed a shot blocker and the Sixers needed to get under the luxury tax), will there be larger ramifications in the draft?
Sources in both Philly and Sacramento said the trade won't affect their draft plans despite the fact that both teams seemed to fill needs and create new holes in the trade.
The Sixers have been strongly leaning toward taking Evan Turner with the No. 2 pick. However, the addition of Nocioni and the loss of Dalembert leaves them loaded at the wing and pretty bare on the front line. On the surface, it appears that Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins would be better fits.
For the Kings, the team had been looking at both Cousins and Greg Monroe. With the addition of Dalembert as a starting center and the loss of Nocioni, it now appears that their biggest need is at the 3, unless the Kings believe Omri Casspi or Donte Greene is ready to step in and be the starter on a winning team.
However, it looks like both teams are still locked in on their original targets.
More trade talk
The Sixers-Kings deal should be the first of many as we get closer to the draft. The Washington Wizards, Sixers, New Jersey Nets and Minnesota Timberwolves are all sending strong signals that they're keeping their picks. After that, it starts to get a little messier.
I've heard that the Kings, Detroit Pistons, Indiana Pacers, New Orleans Hornets, Memphis Grizzlies, Toronto Raptors, Houston Rockets, Milwaukee Bucks, Chicago Bulls, San Antonio Spurs, Oklahoma City Thunder, Portland Trail Blazers and Denver Nuggets have all been talking about moving picks. The Kings, Pacers, Hornets and Bucks would like to trade down, while the Pistons, Grizzlies, Raptors, Rockets, Spurs, Thunder, Blazers and Nuggets would like to move up. And if the Pacers and Hornets can't move down, they, along with the Bulls, might look to get out of the draft completely.
That's a lot to digest and here's why. All of these teams are talking to each other. Some teams are looking at three or four different scenarios with the teams above. You can expect that teams will begin narrowing choices Monday to get things done in enough time before the draft.
From what I can gather, the Pacers, Hornets, Raptors, Spurs and Thunder are the most active right now.
Hot button issues
[+] EnlargeJonathan Daniel/Getty Images
GMs are weighing Derrick Favors' potential this week.We're starting to see players fall into a bit of a pecking order right now as teams try to decide who they like best at particular positions.
Here are the four hottest debates in NBA front offices at the moment:
Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins
Favors and Cousins have now met in Sacramento and Philly, and they'll be in New Jersey together Monday. In Sacramento the two worked out on the court together but didn't actually play against each other. That changed when they went to Philly, as Favors' agent gave them the green light to bang.
Things are moving back to the Sacramento model for the N.J. workout. Apparently Favors' agent complained that the workout in Philly consisted of Cousins fouling Favors on every play, so we're back to two big guys in a gym shooting jump shots.
The stakes couldn't be higher for Favors at the moment. The general consensus in Sacramento and Philly was that Cousins was much better. That makes some sense. Cousins has 47 pounds on Favors and is much more polished on the offensive end. You would expect it to be that way.
But Favors seems to be suffering from more than that. Wolves GM David Kahn ripped Favors for his lack of conditioning and doubted that he was ready for the NBA. While that certainly could have been a David Kahn smokescreen (I haven't heard feedback he was out of shape in the other two workouts), it all contributes to the narrative that Favors is getting his butt kicked by Cousins at the moment.
Ed Davis or Ekpe Udoh
Davis came into the season with all the momentum, but a so-so year combined with injuries and an underperforming Tar Heels squad hurt his stock a bit. Meanwhile, Udoh resurrected his draft stock by vastly improving at Baylor.
The two haven't gone head-to-head because Davis is still recovering from a wrist injury, but a number of teams including the Pistons, Pacers, Golden State Warriors, Los Angeles Clippers and Utah Jazz are all trying to get a feel for who they'd prefer if both were on the board.
Right now, Udoh seems to have the buzz. He is more polished, is a better offensive player and has the ability to contribute right away. Davis is a better defender, is more explosive athletically and is bigger. He impressed the Jazz and Pacers in recent workouts with his improved shooting ability, but everyone knows he's a project.
The question really comes down to this: Udoh is 23, and Davis is 21, so in two years, would Davis be as good or better than Udoh is now? If the answer is yes, then the Davis is the best pick. But sometimes it's easier to take the guy you know can get some stuff done right now.
From what I can gather, I don't think Davis will slip past the Jazz at No. 9. Udoh probably won't get past the Pacers at No. 10 if they keep their pick.
Luke Babbitt, Gordon Hayward, Xavier Henry or Paul George
These four wings have all impressed in workouts, and depending on whom you talk to, you'll get a different answer on who is the best prospect. I think the range for all of them starts at No. 8 to the Clippers. The Jazz, Pacers, Hornets, Grizzlies, Bucks and Timberwolves also look to be in the mix.
Each player offers a different skill set. Babbitt may be the best scorer of the bunch and is the most NBA-ready. Henry is the best pure shooter of the group. Hayward has all the intangibles. George has the most upside (both in terms of athleticism and skills).
Each player also has a serious flaw. Babbitt lacks the lateral quickness to guard the quicker 3s in the league. Henry appears to be a bit one-dimensional. Hayward lacks strength and needs to get his shooting back on track. George lacks a great motor.
In what order will they go? It's way too early to say. If I were to handicap it right now, the Clippers are slightly leaning toward Hayward. The Jazz prefer Babbitt, while the Pacers and Grizzlies like George and the Hornets and Bucks favor Hayward.
Avery Bradley or Eric Bledsoe
[+] EnlargeChris Graythen/Getty Images
Avery Bradley may be getting passed by Eric Bledsoe.For teams looking for a point guard, the debate is really between Bradley and Bledsoe. Both players are freshmen and didn't have huge years. Bradley is a superior scorer and has good size for the position. Bledsoe is more of a true point guard and sees the floor better.
Both are considered raw and unproven, but they have tremendous athletic ability and upside. Both have been working out against each other in virtually every city before Bradley injured his ankle in Oklahoma City.
The real question for both players will come down to one spot in the lottery -- the Raptors at 13. While I've been hearing for weeks now that Bradley has the edge on Bledsoe, I had a trusted source tell me over the weekend that it may be Bledsoe who gets the nod in Toronto.
A true Insider mock draft
I'm working hard on our next Mock Draft (version 6.0) for Tuesday. But for those of you sick of hearing what I think every week, here's a pretty good alternative.
It probably doesn't surprise you to hear that most NBA teams do their own mock drafts in an effort to understand what players will be available when they are picking. They use their scouts to talk to other scouts in the league to get intel (along with reading ESPN Insider, of course) and then put a mock together.
I persuaded one of the best drafting GMs in the league to share his team's mock with me. He kindly gave me the first 20 picks. Enjoy!
1. Wizards: John Wall
2. Sixers: Evan Turner
3. Nets: Derrick Favors
4. Timberwolves: Wesley Johnson
5. Kings: DeMarcus Cousins
Note: Monroe had a terrific workout over the weekend. Sounds like Monroe and Cousins are neck and neck here.
6. Warriors: Greg Monroe
Note: Interestingly, after the positive workout, Monroe had a shaky one in Golden State on Sunday. You don't want to be outplayed by Omar Samhan when you're trying to talk a team into drafting you at No. 6. This may change.
7. Pistons: Al-Farouq Aminu
8. Clippers: Gordon Hayward
Note: If you're comparing to our Mock Draft 5.0, we have the first eight in the exact same order. From here, it changes significantly.
9. Jazz: Ed Davis
Note: I think you'll see Mock Draft 6.0 take up this suggestion. I've been hearing all week that Davis doesn't get past No. 9 if Monroe is off the board. Sorry, Luke Babbitt.
10. Pacers: Ekpe Udoh
Note: This also seems like a good bet. We've had Davis falling here for the past two weeks. But Udoh was the guy we had in Indy for our first two mock drafts.
11. Hornets: Cole Aldrich
12. Grizzlies: Luke Babbitt
13. Raptors: Eric Bledsoe
Note: That's the first major surprise I've heard so far. I've had them higher on Avery Bradley for months ... but maybe he knows something I don't.
14. Rockets: Patrick Patterson
15. Bucks: Xavier Henry
16. Timberwolves: Paul George
Note: I think this is probably too low for George. I put him here in my last mock draft but continue to hear he's strongly in the mix for the Clips, Indy and Memphis. Hard to see him sliding past all three.
17. Bulls: Damion James
18. Heat: Avery Bradley
19. Celtics: Solomon Alabi
20. Spurs: Daniel Orton
Note: The Spurs need a big man and they could rip out the heart of folks in OKC if they take Orton one pick ahead of the Thunder.


I doubt the Spurs draft Orton, but just following up on what Ford says, if the Thunder are so enamored with Orton that they're willing to trade multiple picks to acquire him (with their depth of young talent/picks/assets, they might be willing to), then the Spurs should draft him. The Thunder pick 21, 26, 32 and 51. If the Spurs could acquire 21 and 32, then it's a no brainer. I doubt they could get them to bite on 21 and 26, though.

[SenorSpur]

Perhaps the Spurs aren't moving up for a big after all. Could it be they're moving up to grab the best wing player they can get?

[scottspurs]

I also posted this in the Chad Ford "says" thread, but wanted to know what you guys think too, just in case you are blowing that thread off. With all these rumors we should at least explore the options and I want to know what you guys think of these possible situations here in the Great Think Tank.

When the dust settles and the smoke clears or whatever I don't think tony parker or george hill will be traded, but just in case I got on trade machine and went through picks 2-11 and found trades with each team that are somewhat realistic and I would be happy with. I believe there are only a couple of players I would trade either for if the price is right.

Pick #2: Spurs trade Tony Parker, #20, 2011 1st, 2013 1st and Antonio Mcdyess to 76ers for #2, Elton Brand and Lou Williams

Spurs get the young athletic big they are looking for in Favors and a backup point without giving up Splitter. 76ers get rid of Brand's contract and get Tony Parker who would thrive in the Eastern Conference giving the 76ers a player they can build around. They also get a boatload of draft picks for now and the future. If they can clear enough cap space by the July, 1, 2011 maybe they can make a run at Carmelo Anthony or Kevin Durant.

Pick #3: Spurs trade Tony Parker, #20, 2011 1st, and 2013 1st to Nets for #3, Devin Harris and Keyon Dooling

Spurs once again get Favors and can leave Hill at 2-guard because of Harris. Nets get Tony Parker who could entice a top free agent to come to New Jersey. Also a boatload of picks.

Pick #4: Spurs trade Tony Parker, Dejuan Blair, Rights to Splitter, 2011 1st to T-Wolves for #4, Al Jefferson, Ramon Sessions and Pick #23

Spurs get very skilled big man in Al Jefferson and can choose between Wesley Johnson, DeMarcus Cousins and Greg Monroe with Pick #4. T-wolves get rid of Jefferson who is causing problems and pick up two talented big men. They also get Parker giving them all the point guards they could ever want.

Pick #5: Spurs trade Tony Parker to Kings for #5, Beno Udrih, Francisco Garcia, and Pick #33

Spurs get whoever is left out of Cousins, Johnson, and Monroe. Kings can move Evans to 2-guard and get rid of bad contracts.

Pick #6: Spurs trade Tony Parker, 2011 1st to Warriors for #6, Corey Maggette, and Anthony Randolph

Spurs get to draft the last remaining out of Monroe, Cousins, and Johnson. They also get a scorer in Maggatte and a talented young big in Randolph. Warriors get parker and Don Nelson gets to stick it to the League, the Mavs, and the Lakers on his way out the door.

Pick #7: Spurs trade George Hill, Antonio Mcdyess, and #20 to Pistons for #7, Jason Maxiell, and Jonas Jerebko

I admit this trade doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but pistons need a true point and maybe they believe Hill can be that guy. They can move Stuckey to 2-guard and get Mcdyess back who produced better than Maxiell. Spurs get young talent and draft either Ed Davis, Ekpe Udoh, or Cole Aldrich.

Pick #8: Spurs trade George Hill to Clippers (Use Camby Trade Exception) for #8, and #54.

Once again makes no sense. Spurs draft whoever is left out of Davis, Udoh, and Aldrich. Clippers get someone who can play for Davis while he spends the season in a suit which is destin to happen.

Pick #9: Spurs trade George Hill and Dejuan Blair to Jazz for #9, Ronnie Price, Sundiata Gaines, and Pick #55

Not going to happen, but whatever. Spurs pick last remaining out of Davis, Udoh, and Aldrich. Jazz would put Hill at 2-guard and replace Boozer with Blair. Jazz get to laugh at spurs for years for making the deal.

Pick #10: Spurs trade George Hill, Antonio Mcdyess, Malik Hairston, and #20 to Pacers for #10, Roy Hibbert, Brandon Rush, and Dahntay Jones

To me this trade makes sense. Spurs get a lot of young talent at multiple positions. They might actually draft a 3 if this happened instead of a big and would have their choice of the litter with Paul George, Xavier Henry, Gordon Heyward, or whoever else they like. Patrick Patterson might be perfect for the spurs here. Pacers get hometown star/hero Hill making money while saving money by trading back.

Pick # 11: Spurs trade Tony Parker, Antonio Mcdyess, Malik Hairston, #20, 2011 1st, and 2013 1st to the Hornets for #11, Chris Paul, James Posey, and Julian Wright.

Spurs get an upgrade at point guard and whoever they like most with pick #11. If the Hornets don't believe they will be able sign Chris Paul in a couple of years now could be the time to trade him. They may not be able to resign Parker either, but at least they get a head start on rebuilding. They get a boatload of picks in order to do so and can trade parker at the trade deadline in february for more future potential.

What do you guys think? Do any of these trades sound reasonable? If Tony Parker/George Hill really are on the block you have to at least explore the possibilities.

[Bruno]

Blazers paid $2M to move up from #44 to #34:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2010/news/story?id=5312274

That's a lot of money. :wow
Having an owner read to spend that kind of money is a big edge for a GM.

http://www.draftexpress.com/twitter.php

Green room:
13 in: Wall, Turner, Favors, Cousins, Johnson, Monroe, Aminu, Udoh, Davis, Hayward, Aldrich, Babbitt,George

If, as DX speculate, Henry and Paterson are also in, it truly sucks for Spurs. Green room guys should be all gone at #20. It means that the best Spurs can do are: Damion James, Quincy Pondexter, Larry Sanders, Hassan Whiteside, Daniel Orton or Solomon Alabi.
When I see what has been said about these players here, I'm not thrilled. With this lack of a good looking pcik at #20, I expect the unexpected in this draft from Spurs.

[mountainballer]

If, as DX speculate, Henry and Paterson are also in, it truly sucks for Spurs. Green room guys should be all gone at #20. It means that the best Spurs can do are: Damion James, Quincy Pondexter, Larry Sanders, Hassan Whiteside, Daniel Orton or Solomon Alabi.
When I see what has been said about these players here, I'm not thrilled. With this lack of a good looking pcik at #20, I expect the unexpected in this draft from Spurs.

I repeat that if it is the rumored Elli0t Williams, we could still be very happy down the road. Williams might be the guy with by far the most upside from those who are there around 20. Spurs will need to fill the back up SF via trade or free agency and they might do better this route. it's not that hard to find a decent back up SF.

[Bruno]

I repeat that if it is the rumored Elli0t Williams, we could still be very happy down the road. Williams might be the guy with by far the most upside from those who are there around 20. Spurs will need to fill the back up SF via trade or free agency and they might do better this route. it's not that hard to find a decent back up SF.

I agree that Spurs should be able to find a decent backup SF for the LLE this summer. However, drafting a SF is very interesting for after 2010-2011. Spurs haven't a single interesting SF prospect in the pipeline. At SG, there are Ginobili under contract for 3 years, Hill and De Colo who is showing good things in Europe.

Players like Elli0t Williams, Dominique Jones or James Anderson have maybe the talent of being the 20th pick but drafting one will create a logjam at SG and won't fix Spurs future hole at SF.

[mountainballer]

aside all discussion what position Spurs should draft, there is a new statistical analysis about the shooting guards of this years draft on DX and this shows some very intriguing results concerning Williams.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Just-By-the-Numbers-The-2010-Shooting-Guard-Crop-3517/

he is a very unique player when looking especially at
- Three Point Attempts Per Field Goal Attempt -
and
- Free Throw Attempts Per Possession -

he ranks 4th in the first category, only behind pure shooters (Rautins, Scheyer, Eldridge) and 1st in the latter.

and this is really amazing. the numbers would make him the most versatile SG on offense of all players in this draft as he shoots a lot of 3s (and hits them at a decent rate), but still drives a lot, finishes well in a pretty creative style and also get to the line at will.
his true shooting percentage is very good (61%, 4th overall and again only behind pure shooters) and his efficiency as well. (1.57 PPS)

all this numbers are pretty unique and remind perfectly about another unique player and the name is Manu Ginobili.

add to this the fact that Williams also is a good and willing defender and left handed and we could understand why the Spurs might have fallen in love with him.

[mudyez]

Dont be surprised, when you hear the words: "Tibor Pleiß" when we are on the clock!

Don't see him comung over right away, but he will be a nice piece in 2-3 years and I dont see any buyout problems with him (german teams are not like that)

[Mr Bones]

The Blazers paid more to move up 10 spots in the second round than it will cost them to pay the player they select for 2 years!

[Mel_13]

The Memphis Grizzlies and Minnesota Timberwolves are close to swapping first-round draft picks, a source with direct knowledge of the situation tells ESPN.com's Andy Katz.

The Grizzlies would send their 25th and 28th overall picks to Minnesota for the Timberwolves' 16th pick.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2010/news/story?id=5315275

[TD 21]

Mock Draft 6.0
PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS
Washington
John Wall
Position: PG
Height: 6-foot-4
Weight: 196 pounds
Age: 19
School: Kentucky
(Wall's previous position: No. 1 to Washington)
Analysis: Wall as the No. 1 pick is still the only sure thing in the draft. He had his workout in Washington D.C. last week, and from all indications it went well.
The task for the Wizards now turns to filling in the spaces around him -- getting a healthy and focused Gilbert Arenas, looking for bargains or perhaps Rudy Gay in free agency, and figuring out how to turn the Wizards into a powerhouse franchise. Adding Wall is a big, big step in the right direction, but only one of many the Wizards are going to have to take.
PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS
Philadelphia
Evan Turner
Position: SG
Height: 6-7
Weight: 214
Age: 21
School: Ohio State
(Turner's previous position: No. 2 to Philadelphia)
Analysis: We're keeping Turner at No. 2 even though we continue to hear from some sources that the team is after a big.
Why? Because after the Sixers worked out Turner last week, and even after they swapped Samuel Dalembert for Andres Nocioni and Spencer Hawes, a well-placed source in Philly continues to insist that Turner is their guy.
Still, I continue to hear that head coach Doug Collins prefers the team draft a big. He's been very high on Derrick Favors and, according to sources, was wowed by Cousins after he and Favors worked out in Philly. If Collins wants to win now, Cousins could be the catalyst.
So what does it come down to in Philly? I think we'll find out Thursday who makes the decisions in Philly. If it's Turner, Ed Stefanski is the man in charge. If it's Favors or Cousins, Collins may be running the ship.
PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS
New Jersey
Derrick Favors
Position: PF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 245
Age: 18
School: Georgia Tech
(Favors' previous position: No. 3 to New Jersey)
Analysis: The latest news out of NJ is that there is a three-way scrum between Cousins, Favors and Wes Johnson. Cousins and Favors worked out against each other on Monday in New Jersey. And the team is also high on Johnson because of its need at the wing and his ability to step in and play from day one.
Cousins, who has been awesome in recent workouts in Sacramento and Philly, was good again in Jersey, not only showing his dominant offensive moves in the paint, but shooting the lights out, too. Favors showed off his athleticism and upside, but in terms of NBA readiness, Cousins has the edge.
That could make the Nets' decision pretty tough. Not only does new owner Mikhail Prokhorov want to win now, so does new head coach Avery Johnson. That could push Cousins or small forward Wes Johnson into the foreground.
However, there are issues with Cousins if they take him at No. 3. The Nets are also targeting a number of veteran big men, including Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire and Carlos Boozer this summer. With Brook Lopez already in the middle, would the Nets have minutes for Cousins?
PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS
Minnesota
Wesley Johnson
Position: SF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 206
Age: 22
School: Syracuse
(Johnson's previous position: No. 4 to Minnesota)
Analysis: The Wolves are one of the most active teams in the league right now. They have explored moving up in the draft to get Turner. They've also looked at packaging the 16th and 23rd picks in an effort to move up and get a second top-10 pick.
If they keep the No. 4 pick, it continues to look like their target is Johnson, who we've had going to Minnesota in our mock draft since May. He was in Minnesota last week and wowed everyone in the organization. Not only is he a great basketball player, but he's a great young man and the type of locker-room guy that a young team wants to build with.
However, it appears that all the uncertainty at the top of the draft could be swaying Minnesota. Over the past 24 hours the team has been seriously discussing taking Cousins, who has refused to work out for Minnesota. The team has had some interest in potential trades for Al Jefferson or Kevin Love and has been watching a lot of tape on Cousins to be sure they aren't missing the boat. While he isn't a great fit and there are concerns about his attitude, he's such a talent that the Wolves might be reluctant to pass.
PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS
Sacramento
DeMarcus Cousins
Position: C
Height: 6-11
Weight: 292
Age: 19
School: Kentucky
(Cousins' previous position: No. 5 to Sacramento)
Analysis: Last week, we put Cousins here after a terrific workout in Sacramento over Greg Monroe. What's happened since then? Well, Monroe returned to Sacramento for a second workout, and sources say he wowed them again. In addition, the Kings swapped Nocioni and Hawes for Dalembert, giving them a much-needed shot-blocker and rebounder in the middle.
So where does that leave Sacramento? I hear Cousins might have a slight lead over Monroe, but it's very close. However, more and more, a third option is emerging: Trading the pick. GM Geoff Petrie has zero history of trading down in the draft, but the Kings are actively exploring their options with so many teams pining to get their hands on Cousins -- everyone from Detroit to Boston has been looking at moving up.
PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS
Golden State
Greg Monroe
Position: PF
Height: 6-11
Weight: 247
Age: 19
School: Georgetown
(Monroe's previous position: No. 6 to Golden State)
Analysis: The Warriors are among the most difficult teams in the draft to predict right now. Over the course of the past week, I've heard a number of players were atop their list, including Cousins, Monroe, Al-Farouq Aminu, Xavier Henry, Ekpe Udoh, Patrick Patterson ... I could go on.
To me, this is where the gamesmanship really starts. The Warriors could go in almost any direction. The team itself is a bit of a mess. We're not sure who's going to own the team in a month, the coaching situation is up in the air, players are on the trading block and agents who have had their players work out for Golden State don't particularly want their guys to end up there.
For weeks, the word I've been getting is that Cousins is the guy. If he's off the board, the next closest consensus among sources (and I use the word "consensus" loosely) is Monroe. He reportedly had a bad workout in Golden State, but it might not matter. The Warriors need more size, and Monroe's high basketball IQ and skill level should be a nice fit in Golden State.
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Detroit
Ed Davis
Position: PF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 227
Age: 20
School: North Carolina
(Davis' previous position: No. 10 to Indiana)
Analysis: Pistons president Joe Dumars has said he wants his team to regain the grit and toughness of past Pistons teams. But picking at No. 7 makes that a bit of a challenge. Detroit is really high on both Cousins and Favors, but most likely it will have to move up in the draft to get one of them.
Monroe is also high on its board, but in our latest scenario, he's gone too. Regardless, the team needs a big man.
For weeks I've had Aminu going to Detroit, but after Aminu canceled his workouts in Detroit, the Pistons have begun looking in other directions.
At this point it looks like it's down to Davis, Udoh or Cole Aldrich. Aldrich is the most NBA-ready center and Udoh is the best shot-blocker of the group. But of the players left on the board, Davis has the most upside. He may be raw, but he's an athletic 6-foot-10 big man with bounce and the ability to crash the boards. The Pistons need to swing for the fences.
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L.A. Clippers
Al-Farouq Aminu
Position: SF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 215
Age: 19
School: Wake Forest
(Aminu's previous position: No. 7 to Detroit)
Analysis: The Clippers could go in a lot of different directions with this pick, and I keep getting mixed signals.
The latest word has them narrowing the field down to Aminu, Davis, Udoh, Gordon Hayward and Luke Babbitt.
Of those five names, Aminu would be the winner if he was still there at No. 8. The Clippers have a big hole at the 3 and feel he's a top-five talent in the draft. If he's gone, the Clippers' decision is whether to go big or wing. If they go big, I think Davis has the slight edge. If they go with a wing (their biggest need at the moment), it appears that Hayward and Babbitt are neck-and-neck. So which direction will they go?
In that scenario, I think Hayward wins out for two reasons. One, he's got more upside, and two, he's a better defender right now.
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Utah
Luke Babbitt
Position: SF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 214
Age: 20
School: Nevada
(Babbitt's previous position: No. 9 to Utah)
Analysis: The Jazz are crossing their fingers that Monroe slips to them. If he doesn't, as we've projected here, they have a tough choice. Davis has been moving strongly up their board, but in this mock he's going at No. 7 to Detroit.
The Jazz could still address their need for a big with Udoh, or they can address a big need at the wing. Babbitt, Henry and Hayward are all options the team would be comfortable with.
Which way are they leaning? GM Kevin O'Connor is keeping his cards close to the vest. I think Babbitt has a slight lead over Henry, Hayward and Udoh at the moment. But this one could come down to draft night.
I'll say this: The Jazz have been consistently high on Babbitt all year. They have had success with sweet-shooting small forwards like him, and he can come in and contribute from day one. All that should give him the edge.
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Indiana
Ekpe Udoh
Position: PF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 237
Age: 22
School: Baylor
(Udoh's previous position: No. 14 to Houston)
Analysis: The Pacers continue to talk to a number of teams about moving up, down or all the way out of the draft. It's no secret the team needs a point guard, and it's no secret that at No. 10, there probably isn't a point guard worth taking.
So the team now has a tough choice if Davis and Monroe are both off the board: Udoh or Paul George? Udoh gives them something they have lacked for years: a legitimate shot-blocker. George has that silky-smooth shooting touch and upside that Brandon Rush hasn't really displayed in Indiana. Of the two, I think Udoh's leading the charge, but as the Pacers continue to talk trade, someone else could be making this pick.
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New Orleans
Gordon Hayward
Position: SF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 211
Age: 20
School: Butler
(Hayward's previous position: No. 8 to L.A. Clippers)
Analysis: The Hornets have a new head coach, and job No. 1 is filling a pretty large hole in their frontcourt. The Hornets have Emeka Okafor and David West and not much else.
However, the choices of Aldrich and Patterson haven't blown the team away. Both players do not have the sexy upside of other players in the draft.
That could lead the Hornets to the wing, where they eventually have to replace Peja Stojakovic. Hayward has the raw abilities to be a terrific 3 someday. While he struggled with his shot last season, teams think he will adapt well at the next level and has a chance to be a star.
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Memphis
Paul George
Position: SF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 214
Age: 20
School: Fresno State
(George's previous position: No. 16 to Minnesota)
Analysis: It's tough to know which way the Grizzlies are leaning. Over the course of the past few weeks, the three names that have gotten the most buzz have been George, Babbitt and Patterson.
After making a huge reach for Hasheem Thabeet at No. 2 last season, you'd think the Grizzlies would go conservative and take either Babbitt or Patterson. While neither player has enormous upside, both are NBA-ready and can provide instant offense.
However, as the process moves on, it appears that George is slowly moving to the front of the pack. How do we know? Because George is in for a second workout in Memphis on Tuesday -- this time in front of owner Michael Heisley. If you read the Memphis Commercial Appeal on Sunday, it's Heisley who makes the final decision in Memphis, not GM Chris Wallace. While George is clearly the biggest risk of the group, he's also the player with the most upside. If he develops his many talents, he could be a superstar.
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Toronto
Patrick Patterson
Position: PF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 245
Age: 21
School: Kentucky
(Patterson's previous position: No. 12 to Memphis)
Analysis: The Raptors could go in a number of different directions here. With Bosh likely out the door, Hedo Turkoglu pining for a trade and the team shopping Jose Calderon, you can expect the team to look radically different next season.
Finding a center is atop GM Bryan Colangelo's list. If Bosh leaves, he'd like to move Andrea Bargnani to the 4. But of the top big men left on the board -- Orton, Whiteside and Solomon Alabi -- none of them is close to being ready.
The Raptors have been looking closely at Avery Bradley, but their inability to find a trade for either Calderon or Jarrett Jack makes taking Bradley a risk. So look for them to focus on the best big man left on the board: Patterson. He may not be a flashy player or filled with upside, but he is tough, plays hard and will be solid at the next level. At pick No. 13, that's all you can ask for. Think of him as this year's Tyler Hansbrough.
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Houston
Cole Aldrich
Position: C
Height: 6-10
Weight: 236
Age: 21
School: Kansas
(Aldrich's previous position: No. 11 to New Orleans)
Analysis: The Rockets have been another team trying to move up a few spots in the draft. At No. 14, it looks like virtually every player they covet will be off the board. If they can't move up, that should put them in the mode of taking the best player available.
That would be Aldrich, who is a big with the ability to block shots and rebound. He also has a decent face-the-basket game. With Yao Ming's long-term status really up in the air, Aldrich gives them a backup big that should be able to step in and play right away.
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Milwaukee
(via Chicago)
Xavier Henry
Position: SG
Height: 6-7
Weight: 210
Age: 19
School: Kansas
(Henry's previous position: No. 15 to Milwaukee)
Analysis: The Bucks have a big need at the wing position with Michael Redd coming back from injury and John Salmons looking to opt out of his contract. Of the players left on the board, Henry looks to be, by far, the best value. He can play either the 2 or 3, and can shoot the lights out.
Speaking of upside, we probably should add one more name to the list. It's a long shot, but Cincinnati's Lance Stephenson has impressed in workouts, and the Bucks have had their eye on him for a while. It seems like he's a bit of a reach at 15, but John Hammond rolled the dice on a former high school phenom with a bad rep last year and it paid off. Will he do it again this year?
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Minnesota
(via Charlotte)
James Anderson
Position: SG
Height: 6-6
Weight: 210
Age: 21
School: Oklahoma State
(Anderson's previous position: No. 17 to Chicago)
Analysis: The Wolves have been actively trying to package Nos. 16 and 23 to move up a few spots in the draft to get their hands on George. But if George is gone, there aren't a lot of prospects they're in love with here.
I think the Wolves would be more aggressive in trying to trade at this point. If they keep the pick, they might go ahead and take Anderson, who doesn't have the upside of some of the other wing guys like George or Hayward, but was one of the best scorers in college basketball last year. He would give the Wolves more shooting on the perimeter.
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Chicago
(via Milwaukee)
Avery Bradley
Position: SG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 180
Age: 19
School: Texas
(Bradley's previous position: No. 13 to Toronto)
Analysis: I've had Anderson here for every mock draft; the Bulls need a 2-guard who can shoot the basketball, and Anderson was the most NBA-ready prospect left on the board. But in this mock, Anderson's already off the board. While I still think Anderson is in the mix here -- along with Dominique Jones and Jordan Crawford -- a name I'm hearing more and more at 17 is Bradley.
With Kirk Hinrich on the trading block, Bradley's ability to swing between the 1 and the 2 is important to a team like the Bulls, who envision him more in a Monta Ellis-type role.
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Miami
Eric Bledsoe
Position: PG
Height: 6-2
Weight: 192
Age: 20
School: Kentucky
(Bledsoe's previous position: No. 18 to Miami)
Analysis: Bledsoe has been in this spot since our first mock draft. While teams as high as Indiana (10), Toronto (13) and Houston (14) are in the mix for him, Miami looks like the perfect resting spot for Bledsoe. He's a tough, Pat Riley-type of player and could be a long-term upgrade from the Mario Chalmers-Carlos Arroyo duo at point guard.
Bledsoe was one of the players who really helped himself at the draft combine. Playing outside of Wall's shadow, he often looked like the best guard on the floor. Physically, he's ready for the NBA right now. But he still needs more experience running the point. In the long term, Bledsoe could pay off.
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Boston
Damion James
Position: SF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 227
Age: 22
School: Texas
(James' previous position: No. 20 to San Antonio)
Analysis: I've had Alabi going to Boston for weeks. But after finding out Monday that the team hasn't been able to get him in for a workout, I'm hedging.
I still believe the Celtics like Alabi a lot, however, the name I'm hearing more and more out of Boston is James. He makes a lot of sense for the Celtics. He's a tough, physical player who can play both the 3 and the 4 for them. He's one of the few guys left in the draft that can come in and play on a veteran team like the Celtics right away.
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San Antonio
Craig Brackins
Position: PF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 229
Age: 22
School: Iowa State
(Brackins' previous position: No. 26 to Oklahoma City)
Analysis: The Spurs need size, and this pick will likely come down to either Brackins or Alabi. While Alabi has the size and upside, with Tiago Splitter possibly coming to San Antonio this fall, the Spurs may be set at the 5.
Brackins' ability to spread the floor and play inside and outside is coveted in San Antonio. A number of GMs have told me he could end up being the sleeper of the draft.
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Oklahoma City
Solomon Alabi
Position: C
Height: 7-1
Weight: 237
Age: 22
School: Florida State
(Alabi's previous position: No. 19 to Boston)
Analysis: The Thunder will have a tough call to make here between Alabi, Daniel Orton and Kevin Seraphin. The Thunder have been high on Orton all year, but a so-so workout in OKC, along with concerns about his knees, have given them and everyone else in the league pause.
The Thunder, meanwhile, have been high on Alabi for a while. He may seem like a bit of a reach to some, but he appears to be one of the hotter names in the draft at the moment. The Raptors, Celtics, Spurs, Thunder, Heat and Blazers are all showing interest. Those are all teams with historically good draft track records, so watch carefully.
Alabi measured as one of the tallest and longest players in the draft, and he showed a nice skill game and a terrific motor in the drills. Some scouts are comparing him to Dikembe Mutombo. I don't think Alabi has the same sort of rebounding and shot-blocking ability, but he does have a similar demeanor and presence on the court.
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Portland
Kevin Seraphin
Position: PF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 258
Age: 20
Country: France
(Seraphin's previous position: No. 23 to Minnesota)
Analysis: Kevin Pritchard hit a home run with the 25th pick in 2008 when he drafted French swingman Nicolas Batum. How good is Batum? The Blazers rejected the Wolves' offer of the No. 4 pick for Batum a couple of week ago.
Now they have their eyes set on Seraphin, a French big man with great athleticism and excellent defensive instincts. The Blazers would also love Alabi, but in this case he isn't on the board. Hassan Whiteside and Orton are also possibilities here.
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Minnesota
(via Utah)
Larry Sanders
Position: PF
Height: 6-11
Weight: 222
Age: 21
School: Va. Commonwealth
(Sanders' previous position: No. 28 to Memphis)
Analysis: With the Wolves going with wings with their first two picks, look for them to take a swing at a player with huge upside at No. 23. Sanders has a freakishly long wingspan and can really run the floor. He also gives the Wolves something that they've been in short supply of -- shot-blocking.
Whiteside and Orton are both possibilities here as well. But it sounds as if the Wolves are a little turned off by the immaturity of both players and might not need a center anyway -- they will pursue Darko Milicic in free agency and sign former second-round pick Nikola Pekovic this summer.
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Atlanta
Hassan Whiteside
Position: C
Height: 7-0
Weight: 227
Age: 20
School: Marshall
(Whiteside's previous position: No. 22 to Portland)
Analysis: The Hawks could go in a lot of directions here. They might end up having to replace Joe Johnson in free agency. But at this point in the draft, Whiteside's upside might be too much to pass on.
Whiteside is the best shot-blocker in the draft and, when he's playing well, reminds some of a young Marcus Camby. He's immature and needs a lot of work, but at No. 24, there isn't a player left on the board with more upside.
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Memphis
(via Denver)
Jordan Crawford
Position: SG
Height: 6-4
Weight: 198
Age: 21
School: Xavier
(Crawford's previous position: 27)
Analysis: Crawford's stock has been slowly rising, and now he's in the mix with the Bulls at 17, the Celtics at 19, the Spurs at 20, the Blazers at 22 and the Wolves at 23. But it looks like he won't slide past the Grizzlies here. The addition of Crawford and George would give the Grizzlies a ton of punch in their backcourt.
I'm not sure there are enough basketballs in Memphis for all these guys, but you have to like the talent they're acquiring.
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Oklahoma City
(via Phoenix)
Daniel Orton
Position: C
Height: 6-10
Weight: 269
Age: 19
School: Kentucky
(Orton's previous position: No. 21 to Oklahoma City)
Analysis: Orton is a bit of an enigma. His 3 ppg and 3 rpg as a freshman at Kentucky certainly won't wow you. But he has the raw tools to be a successful big man in the pros.
The Thunder were among the teams that were on him early, and they might just get lucky and get him here. While Orton is in the discussion starting at the 10th pick, concerns about his knees and his relative lack of playing time over the course of the past two seasons are weighing on teams.
He could easily end up in the lottery (he's working out for the Pacers on Tuesday), but I doubt he slips further than this.
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New Jersey
(via Dallas)
Dominique Jones
Position: SG
Height: 6-5
Weight: 216
Age: 21
School: South Florida
(Jones' previous position: 25)
Analysis: Jones was one of the best scorers in college basketball last year. He's tough, physical and relentless getting to the basket. While he's not quite the shooter teams want, he's been a guy who has consistently drawn praise in workouts. I think his range starts at No. 17 with the Bulls, and I don't think he slips past here to the Nets.
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Memphis
(via L.A. Lakers)
Devin Ebanks
Position: SF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 208
Age: 20
School: West Virginia
(Ebanks' previous position: No. 34 to Golden State)
Analysis: The Grizzlies likely won't end up with three first-rounders. They are talking to several teams about trading one or both of their picks in the 20s. However, if they stay here, look for them to focus in on a wing defender to go with the two scorers they drafted ahead of them. Ebanks may not be a special offensive player, but he can guard three positions on the floor.
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Orlando
Darington Hobson
Position: SF
Height: 6-7
Weight: 204
Age: 22
School: New Mexico
(Hobson's previous position: No. 33 to Sacramento)
Analysis: The Magic haven't worked out many players. Each year they pick a small handful of prospects they like and then grab from there. Of the group they've had in, Crawford and Ebanks are off the board. Of the group left, Hobson makes a lot of sense. His playmaking ability and versatility remind some scouts of Turkoglu. The Magic missed that this season.
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Washington
(via Cleveland)
Quincy Pondexter
Position: SF
Height: 6-7
Weight: 220
Age: 22
School: Washington
(Pondexter's previous position: No. 30 to Washington)
Analysis: Pondexter is coming off a great senior season and is one of the best athletes in the draft. With the Wizards trying to rebuild with young players who can get up and down the floor, he seems like a good bet here.

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Keith Gallon | F | Oklahoma
The Nets will consider Gallon with the 27th pick, but if he falls here, he'd be tough to pass. While Gallon needs to lose weight, he's one of the most skilled big men in the draft. If he gets in better condition, he could be a steal here.
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32. Oklahoma City Thunder (via Minnesota)
Tibor Pleiss | C | Germany
Pleiss will get several looks in the first round. The 7-footer is already a major defensive presence and is willing to stay overseas for a year or two to keep developing. He'd be a great value pick at 32.
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33. Sacramento Kings
Elli0t Williams | SG | Memphis
Williams has limited his workouts to just two teams -- the Spurs and Rockets. Either he has a promise in the first round or rumors about his injury being worse than realized are true. Either way, the Kings would have a hard time passing on him here. He's a nice complement in the backcourt to Tyreke Evans and Beno Udrih.
The Kings are also vey high on English big man Ryan Richards after he wowed them in a workout. If Williams is off the board, Richards could be the pick.
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34. Portland Trail Blazers (via Golden State)
Trevor Booker | PF | Clemson
The Blazers paid $2 million and swapped the 44th pick for No. 34, so they better get something good. Booker is the type of physical enforcer that the Blazers could use when LaMarcus Aldridge is squeezing the Charmin.
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35. Washington Wizards
Gani Lawal | PF | Georgia Tech
The Wizards are thin all along their frontcourt and Lawal, as a three-year player, should be able to step in and get minutes right away. He's not spectacular, but he's a pretty solid pick at this point in the draft.
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36. Detroit Pistons
Armon Johnson | PG | Nevada
The Pistons could use a backup point guard, and they could do a lot worse than Johnson. He is a terrific athlete with a flair for the dramatic. If he was a better shooter, he would go much higher in the draft.
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37. Milwaukee Bucks (via Philadelphia)
Lance Stephenson | SG | Cincinnati
The Bucks are considering Stephenson at 15, so if he were to slide here they'd be thrilled. Stephenson is a very good offensive player. It's his questionable attitude that's causing him to slip this far.
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38. New York Knicks
Terrico White | G | Mississippi
Knicks fans don't have a lot to cheer about, but if White falls this far, they can get a little excited. He has lottery-type talent, but his laid-back demeanor has turned off some teams. He should be dynamite in New York's system and could even play a little point guard.
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39. New York Knicks (via Clippers)
Greivis Vasquez | PG | Maryland
Vasquez is getting looks in the late first round by both Memphis and Orlando, but he should be a good fit for New York and coach Mike D'Antoni, who has always liked big point guards that can see the floor and shoot the basketball. Vasquez won't be able to guard anyone, but on the offensive end, he's got talent.
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40. Indiana Pacers
Da'Sean Butler | SF | West Virginia
Butler was a likely mid-to-late first-round pick before tearing his ACL. He's a bit of a risk here, but the Pacers loved him during the season, and he could be an excellent backup to Danny Granger down the road.
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41. Miami Heat (via New Orleans)
Jarvis Varnado | C | Mississippi State
Varnado is the best shot-blocker in the draft, and given the huge holes the Heat might have in the paint thanks to free agency, he might be able to find some minutes in Miami.
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42. Miami Heat (via Toronto)
Dexter Pittman | C | Texas
Pittman is a big man. With Jermaine O'Neal unlikely to return, the Heat need to start doing something to fill that hole in the middle. Pittman is really talented. If he gets in shape (and you know Pat Riley will demand it) he could be the steal of the draft.
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43. Los Angeles Lakers (via Memphis)
Willie Warren | G | Oklahoma
The Lakers know that Derek Fisher can't keep going forever, and it's unclear whether Jordan Farmer is really the point guard of the future. Warren was projected as a potential top-10 pick at the beginning of the season. But injuries, a terrible sophomore season at Oklahoma and questions about his attitude have torpedoed his stock. But at 43, the combo guard is a steal.
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44. Golden State Warriors (via Chicago)
Ryan Richards | PF | England
The Warriors could take a flier on this unproven big man from England. He doesn't know how to play yet, but he has the physical tools to be special.
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45. Minnesota Timberwolves (via Houston)
Miroslav Raduljica | C | Serbia
With three picks in the first round, it's highly unlikely that the Wolves will take another American player here. Raduljica had an excellent season, and you can expect the Wolves to keep him in Europe for a few years to continue developing.
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46. Phoenix Suns
Stanley Robinson | SF | UConn
Robinson has struggled in workouts and his stock has dropped from a mid-first-rounder all the way to here. He shouldn't be discouraged. If ever there were a team that Robinson could thrive on, it's the Suns.
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47. Milwaukee Bucks
Jerome Jordan | C | Tulsa
The Bucks lost Andrew Bogut to injuries this past season and didn't have a lot to replace him in the middle. Jordan is huge and talented. If his motor revved higher, he'd be a first-round pick.
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48. Miami Heat
Thomas Heurtel | PG | France
Heurtel won MVP honors at the adidas Eurocamp. He's a good floor leader but not an amazing athlete. The Heat likely would leave him in France to continue to develop.
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49. San Antonio Spurs
Alexy Shved | G | Russia
Shved is a skilled Russian combo guard, and the Spurs could stash in Europe for a while.
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50. Dallas Mavericks
Sylven Landesberg | SG | Virginia
Landesberg was productive his first two years in college. He's a slasher who knows how to get to the basket. At pick 50, he's a good value.
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51. Oklahoma City Thunder (via Blazers)
Nemanja Bjelica | SF | Serbia
Bjelica is a crafty player who can play a little point forward. He's not a great athlete, but at this point in the draft, the Thunder don't need any more American players.
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52. Boston Celtics
Manny Harris | SG | Michigan
Harris is a high-scoring combo guard who, based on talent, is probably a first-round pick. With the Celtics needing help in the backcourt next season, Harris has the capability to fill in at both positions.
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53. Atlanta Hawks
Dwayne Collins | C | Miami (Fla.)
He didn't put up huge numbers at Miami, but Collins is a big, physical forward who can jump out of the gym.
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54. Los Angeles Clippers (via Denver)
Sherron Collins | PG | Kansas
Collins has struggled in workouts because of his weight, but he recently weighed in at 219. He might be the perfect guy to come in and help the Clippers' other conditioning-challenged point guard , Baron Davis.
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55. Utah Jazz
Jon Scheyer | SG | Duke
Before you start cracking jokes about Scheyer, don't overlook the fact that he'd be a terrific fit in Utah. He can play both guard positions and can shoot the lights out. I've heard him compared to Jeff Hornacek before and it's not a bad comparison.
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56. Minnesota Timberwolves (via Phoenix)
Artem Zabelin | C | Russia
The Wolves have a total of five picks and certainly aren't keeping them all for this year. Zabelin is thin, but very skilled. He's a long-term project who could pay off down the road.
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57. Indiana Pacers (via Dallas)
Ben Uzoh | PG | Tulsa
This athletic combo guard is a great athlete who could provide a spark off the bench for the Pacers at both backcourt positions.
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58. Los Angeles Lakers
Brian Zoubek | C | Duke
Zoubek didn't have a huge career at Duke, but he was a terrific rebounder and could give the Lakers some size and toughness in the middle.
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59. Orlando Magic
Andy Rautins | SG | Syracuse
The Magic are always in the market for shooters and Rautins is one of the best in the draft.
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60. Phoenix Suns (via Cleveland)
Mikhail Torrance | PG | Alabama
The athletic combo guard starred at the Portsmouth Invitational, but some concerns about his physical may cause him to slide.
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Next five in: Luke Harangody, F, Notre Dame; Lazar Hayward, F, Marquette; Charles Garcia, F, Seattle; Jerome Randle, G, Cal; Derrick Caracter, PF, UTEP

[TD 21]

The Memphis Grizzlies and Minnesota Timberwolves are close to swapping first-round draft picks, a source with direct knowledge of the situation tells ESPN.com's Andy Katz.

The Grizzlies would send their 25th and 28th overall picks to Minnesota for the Timberwolves' 16th pick.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2010/news/story?id=5315275

I doubt they'd do it, because if they were that enamored with a player likely to be in the 20 range, they'd have kept 16, but the Spurs should offer 20 to the Timberwolves for either 23 and 28 or 25 and 28. If they could pull that off, there's a good chance they could walk away with, say, Williams and Brackins.

Then they'd be set on the front line (assuming Splitter signs, which looks highly likely at this point) and in the back court. They'd definitely need to sign a veteran SF/wing, but they'll probably have to do that anyway. Sure, there would be no long term successor in place at SF, but it's highly unlikely that the Spurs will be able to fill that role in this draft anyway. This would give the Spurs a year to evaluate Hairston and to a lesser extent, Gee, in game.

[Blackjack]

I doubt they'd do it, because if they were that enamored with a player likely to be in the 20 range, they'd have kept 16, but the Spurs should offer 20 to the Timberwolves for either 23 and 28 or 25 and 28. If they could pull that off, there's a good chance they could walk away with, say, Williams and Brackins.

Then they'd be set on the front line (assuming Splitter signs, which looks highly likely at this point) and in the back court. They'd definitely need to sign a veteran SF/wing, but they'll probably have to do that anyway. Sure, there would be no long term successor in place at SF, but it's highly unlikely that the Spurs will be able to fill that role in this draft anyway. This would give the Spurs a year to evaluate Hairston and to a lesser extent, Gee, in game.

If they're stuck at 20 and can pull that off, that's a no-brainer to me. It doesn't necessarily have to be those exact players but the premise is no doubt sound for the Spurs.

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http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67362/20100622/heat_willing_to_sell_18th_pick_for_cap_space/



Heat Willing To Sell 18th Pick For Cap Space

Jun 22, 2010 4:01 PM EST

The Heat are willing to sell the 18th pick in Thursday's NBA Draft, according to league sources.

"They want to sell it to clear cap space," one Western Conference executive told Yahoo!


Opportunity knocks anyone? We have 4 unguaranteed contracts on the roster, Temple, Hairston, Gee, Jerrels...

Daequan Cook + the 18th for pick 2 of those.

The heat move both the cap hit of the 18th pick and Cook's guaranteed 1.3 million or so...

[AFBlue]

I doubt they'd do it, because if they were that enamored with a player likely to be in the 20 range, they'd have kept 16, but the Spurs should offer 20 to the Timberwolves for either 23 and 28 or 25 and 28. If they could pull that off, there's a good chance they could walk away with, say, Williams and Brackins.

Then they'd be set on the front line (assuming Splitter signs, which looks highly likely at this point) and in the back court. They'd definitely need to sign a veteran SF/wing, but they'll probably have to do that anyway. Sure, there would be no long term successor in place at SF, but it's highly unlikely that the Spurs will be able to fill that role in this draft anyway. This would give the Spurs a year to evaluate Hairston and to a lesser extent, Gee, in game.


If they're stuck at 20 and can pull that off, that's a no-brainer to me. It doesn't necessarily have to be those exact players but the premise is no doubt sound for the Spurs.

I don't think the T-Wolves would give up the #16 pick for those two and then trade them right back to a team for the #20 pick...they lose value. Now, that doesn't mean one of their late first round picks won't be available for cash plus a future first rounder...but, I doubt there's a trade-back scenario that takes place if this one goes through.

[Bruno]

Green room:
13 in: Wall, Turner, Favors, Cousins, Johnson, Monroe, Aminu, Udoh, Davis, Hayward, Aldrich, Babbitt,George

If, as DX speculate, Henry and Patterson are also in, it truly sucks for Spurs. Green room guys should be all gone at #20. It means that the best Spurs can do are: Damion James, Quincy Pondexter, Larry Sanders, Hassan Whiteside, Daniel Orton or Solomon Alabi.
When I see what has been said about these players here, I'm not thrilled. With this lack of a good looking pick at #20, I expect the unexpected in this draft from Spurs.

It has been confirmed that both Patterson and Henry are in the green room. :depressed


The Memphis Grizzlies and Minnesota Timberwolves are close to swapping first-round draft picks, a source with direct knowledge of the situation tells ESPN.com's Andy Katz.

The Grizzlies would send their 25th and 28th overall picks to Minnesota for the Timberwolves' 16th pick.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2010/news/story?id=5315275

Interesting. It only takes #28 to move up from #25 to #16. Moving up from #20 to #16 could be doable for Spurs without giving too much.

[Blackjack]

I don't think the T-Wolves would give up the #16 pick for those two and then trade them right back to a team for the #20 pick...they lose value. Now, that doesn't mean one of their late first round picks won't be available for cash plus a future first rounder...but, I doubt there's a trade-back scenario that takes place if this one goes through.

Like I said, if they're stuck at 20 and can pull that off, it's a no-brainer for the Spurs, IMO.

[AFBlue]

To follow up on the other trade scenario...I could definitely see the Spurs trading back into the late first round to acquire a second player. They have a lot of holes to fill without a lot of money to do it, this draft is seen as very deep with role players, there are a bunch of teams with multiple picks and they have worked out mostly lottery talent (for trade-up) or late-first round/early second round talent.

So, a scenario where the Spurs select Brackins at #20 and trade back into the first round to snag E. Williams or Crawford seems very plausible.

[AFBlue]

It has been confirmed that both Patterson and Henry are in the green room. :depressed



Interesting. It only takes #28 to move up from #25 to #16. Moving up from #20 to #16 could be doable for Spurs without giving too much.

The question is: who are the Spurs targeting that will be there at #16/17 but not at #20?

[Blackjack]

To follow up on the other trade scenario...I could definitely see the Spurs trading back into the late first round to acquire a second player. They have a lot of holes to fill without a lot of money to do it, this draft is seen as very deep with role players, there are a bunch of teams with multiple picks and they have worked out mostly lottery talent (for trade-up) or late-first round/early second round talent.

So, a scenario where the Spurs select Brackins at #20 and trade back into the first round to snag E. Williams or Crawford seems very plausible.

Don't leave out Dominique Jones . . .

[Bruno]

Opportunity knocks anyone? We have 4 unguaranteed contracts on the roster, Temple, Hairston, Gee, Jerrels...

Daequan Cook + the 18th for pick 2 of those.

The heat move both the cap hit of the 18th pick and Cook's guaranteed 1.3 million or so...

2 of these 4 players won't be enough to match salaries.

Spurs could do 2 possible delayed draft day trades:
- Cook + #18 for Hairston + Jerrels + Gee + Temple that will be postponed until June 29th.
- Cook + #18 for 3 of Hairston, Jerrels, Gee and Temple that will be postponed until July 8th.

[Bruno]

The question is: who are the Spurs targeting that will be there at #16/17 but not at #20?

One of Babbitt/George/Henry/Hayward could be available at #16 while they should be all gone at #20. Larry Sanders could also be a player worth moving up of few picks.

[TD 21]

If they're stuck at 20 and can pull that off, that's a no-brainer to me. It doesn't necessarily have to be those exact players but the premise is no doubt sound for the Spurs.

Exactly. They should also look to make a trade with the Thunder. I'm not enamored with the likely options at 20 and find it likely that the Spurs could land Williams later in the 20s. (if Williams is in fact their first choice). So the prudent thing to do is look to acquire two slightly later picks and fill two spots via the draft.

I still say they go with Williams, but I could see them taking Brackins. I never saw James, Pondexter, Robinson, etc., but Brackins I could see.


http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67362/20100622/heat_willing_to_sell_18th_pick_for_cap_space/





Opportunity knocks anyone? We have 4 unguaranteed contracts on the roster, Temple, Hairston, Gee, Jerrels...

Daequan Cook + the 18th for pick 2 of those.

The heat move both the cap hit of the 18th pick and Cook's guaranteed 1.3 million or so...

I like it. Cook isn't a three, but he's reasonably priced and I believe due for a bounce back season. He's young, athletic and can shoot the three. We all want a long term successor in place at SF in the mold of Batum, George, etc., but it's difficult to find that type of player. As I've previously stated, I believe the Spurs view Hairston as more of an SF than an SG, due to his lack of ball skills (similar to Udoka and Bogans).

The Spurs could conceivably complete all of their off season work through the draft + the signing of Splitter. If they completed this trade and then drafted (I'll use these two for arguments sake, because they complete two areas of the roster) Williams and Brackins. Not that any of these guys are major building blocks, but they'd have good depth of young talent as well.


I don't think the T-Wolves would give up the #16 pick for those two and then trade them right back to a team for the #20 pick...they lose value. Now, that doesn't mean one of their late first round picks won't be available for cash plus a future first rounder...but, I doubt there's a trade-back scenario that takes place if this one goes through.

I don't either, but it's worth a shot. As I've touched on, I like the idea of moving 20 for another pick in the 20s and either a second later pick in the 20s or the high 30s.

[AFBlue]

Don't leave out Dominique Jones . . .

Right...or Willie Warren or Terrico White. All of them have been worked out by the Spurs, so they should be considered candidates for selection.

[Blackjack]

I'm just a Jones fan and think it'd be between he and Williams (the latter their first choice) if there given their choice of combo guards; although Crawford may have their attention as well . . .

[AFBlue]

I'm just a Jones fan and think it'd be between he and Williams (the latter their first choice) if there given their choice of combo guards; although Crawford may have their attention as well . . .

I don't know enough about any one of them to make a determination either way. But, I think I'd lean toward the guy that can shoot (Crawford) over the others because it was so clearly a need for the Spurs this past year.

[AFBlue]

One of Babbitt/George/Henry/Hayward could be available at #16 while they should be all gone at #20. Larry Sanders could also be a player worth moving up of few picks.

So are you assuming that the trade goes through and the Spurs still have a shot at trading up to #16 on draft night if the right player falls? Or are you suggesting the Spurs put forward their own package to Minnesota?

[Blackjack]

Williams seems to be the most likely candidate because he does it all pretty well and could be a nice compliment to Hill, should he remain a Spur.

Jones is just a little beast and someone who falls in that Wade/Stuckey mold. His shot needs some serious work to be a consistent distance jumpshooter, but he uses his body extremely well getting to the bucket, defending and his size is much better than even I realized. He's got a chance to be a really solid player in the league and someone who could be quite the asset to a team.

Crawford's got the shot but he falls short in most other categories in comparison to the aforementioned, IMO. But his stock seems to have received a bump in the right direction and he's no doubt got talent. He doesn't exactly scream "Spur" to me but I can't dismiss him as a possibility. The Spurs like their shooters (and they need 'em as well).

[Bruno]

Or are you suggesting the Spurs put forward their own package to Minnesota?

That's what I'm suggesting.

[AFBlue]

That's what I'm suggesting.

And if all of those players are gone by #16, then what? IMO, the prudent thing to do is have some tentative deals in place should certain players fall and make the call(s) on draft night.

[pad300]

For general edification, Hoopsanalyst is doing his usual draft opinions series. He's usually got some good points.

http://hoopsanalyst.com/blog/?cat=16

I find his opinions insightful. He's not got a high opinion of a lot of the smalls in this draft beyond Wall and Turner, but his analysis does single out James Anderson as a strong prospect. Coincidentally, some mocks have Anderson dropping to our range or even past it (eg Draftexpress has him at 30 currently). Anderson could be a very good pick; he could easily turn out to be a young Michael Finley...

[ace3g]

chadfordinsider

Tuesday Night Draft Buzz (free): Udoh to GS at 6? Monroe to Pistons at 7; Bucks-Nets talking CDR swap http://es.pn/d4TVRG

[ace3g]

WojYahooNBA

Milwaukee will give Nets the 44th pick in Draft for Chris Douglas-Roberts, league source tells Y!. Now Jersey holds Nos. 3, 27, 31 and 44

[ace3g]

WojYahooNBA

Quick correction: Nets and Bucks still finalizing the 2nd-round pick in Chris Douglas-Roberts deal, but one team exec. says won't be 44 now.

[ace3g]

WojYahooNBA

Bucks won't give Nets 44th or 47th picks in Douglas-Roberts deal, team source says. Teams working on a future draft consideration.

[lurker23]

I might miss the actual draft so maybe I can follow David Stern or something.

Don't do it, it's not worth it. 90% of his tweets are, "No comment," "The refs are doing a great job," "I just fined Mark Cuban," or reviews of various kosher deli sandwiches across New York.

[jiggy_55]

Adrian Wojnarowski, WojYahooNBA on twitter:

Rod Thorn "doesn't love" Nets draft spot now and open for right bid to move down, sources say. "He's fine with sliding back," source says

http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA

[benefactor]

I have a little inside info on the NBA as I have 2 friends that play in the NBA and a relative that has worked as a trainer for a couple NBA teams, I think thats more than most of the people you have anointed as having a specific beat or aspect of the franchise.

Spurs dont work out many players, they do however visit other NBA workouts to watch players.....dont know if this is part of the SA mystic or the fact they dont want to pay for boat loads of players to come into town but if im not mistaken they didnt work out Blair in SA either.

Take it for what its worth but what I was told is SA is ready to settle for James but should they move TP they really like Crawford as he can play pg or SG, has unlimited range on his shot, can get to the rim and is a great finisher/ great athlete.

If TP stays Alabi and Orton are the targets. They love Alabit as the FO has stated he is one of the sharpest guys they have ever interviewed. He can help right now by clogging the lane and blocking shots.

D Ort, not sure why they like him unless they are looking to get Okl to panic and try to move up.

Others that made the list D Jones of SFlor, Larry Sanders of VCU and hold your breath.......Bledsoe.
lol sources

[benefactor]

They didn't even take Alabi at 49.

roflmao

[jesterbobman]

I don't know whether he was discussed here(I was at the other site at the time), but to all the people who looked with intent at Marcus Dove as a potential 2nd round pick as a long Defensive 3...We drafted someone from OK State, That kinda counts.

Right?

[TheProfessor]

I don't know whether he was discussed here(I was at the other site at the time), but to all the people who looked with intent at Marcus Dove as a potential 2nd round pick as a long Defensive 3...We drafted someone from OK State, That kinda counts.

Right?
Oh man, that feels like forever ago :lol

[Sissiborgo]

I want the Spurs to draft someone good...

What do you mean? spurs are always 20-27 pick! it is hard to pick a super good college player so late! but spurs have been able to make a future players on late draft picks!

[TimDunkem]

Alabi fell because he had hepatitis B. I'm glad to hear that he'll be just fine.

[galvatron3000]

This Paul George guy will be something special, is there any package we can give the Pacer to pry this guy? I am going out on a limb but George maybe a star in the next 3-5 years. His work ethic is the only thing that can hinder him. He could very well be in the mold of Scottie Pippen, taken a bit to develop into a superstar but the potential is definitely there from what I've seen. I think I'd let Hill go for George and pickup and backup through free agency or the d league or something. Temple can play the point for a few minutes. I'm intrigued by this George player

[Chieflion]

This Paul George guy will be something special, is there any package we can give the Pacer to pry this guy? I am going out on a limb but George maybe a star in the next 3-5 years. His work ethic is the only thing that can hinder him. He could very well be in the mold of Scottie Pippen, taken a bit to develop into a superstar but the potential is definitely there from what I've seen. I think I'd let Hill go for George and pickup and backup through free agency or the d league or something. Temple can play the point for a few minutes. I'm intrigued by this George player

http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/web_100624.html

Nope. They drafted George to keep him. Don't think they are going to trade him.

[Gino2882]

This Paul George guy will be something special, is there any package we can give the Pacer to pry this guy? I am going out on a limb but George maybe a star in the next 3-5 years. His work ethic is the only thing that can hinder him. He could very well be in the mold of Scottie Pippen, taken a bit to develop into a superstar but the potential is definitely there from what I've seen. I think I'd let Hill go for George and pickup and backup through free agency or the d league or something. Temple can play the point for a few minutes. I'm intrigued by this George player

George Hill for Paul George really is an intriguing trade idea. In terms of value, there is something for both teams here. The Pacers are desperate for a point guard and Hill is a hometown guy. Paul George has tremendous upside as a 6'9 2 guard. This trade would of happened on draft night had it been in the workings but it really is a trade that would have made a LOT of sense.

[Bruno]

What surprised me in this draft is that both Raduljica and Shved haven't been drafted and it was because they wanted it.

For an international player, being undrafted is more interested than being drafted. When/if they pan out, they can negotiate with 30 teams a NBA contract instead of being limited to one.

I hope the NBA will fix that in the new CBA even if I don't know how they could do it. It doesn't respect the spirit of the draft like when richest teams get pciks with some cash.

[mountainballer]

Bump.

preseason isn't done yet, but most rookies from the 2010 class have already played enough games to make a few assessments.

overall: with a few exceptions the 2010 class looks horrible!

while preseason isn't regular season, during the last years it allowed a good assumption how the rookies have adjusted to the NBA and how successful they might be in the upcoming season. if this trend continues, some teams will be very disappointed with their 1st round (lottery) picks.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

It's interesting to see how the players the Spurs could have been interested in ( or at least here on ST ) are doing. Way too early obviously, but still :

Gordon Hayward, picked 9th, 2.7 PPG on 0.367 shooting and 0.143 on 3s.10.9 mins.
Paul George, picked 10th, 6.0 PPG on 0.382 shooting and 0.318 from 3. 17.7 mins.
Xavier Henry, picked 12th, 6.8 PPG on 0.400 shooting and 0.000 from 3. 14.4 mins.
Luke Babbit, picked 16th, 1.2 PPG on 0.250 shooting and 0.200 from 3. 5.2 mins.
Damion James, picked 24th, 2.1 PPG on 0.294 shooting and 0.000 from 3. 7.9 mins.
Dominique Jones, picked 25th, 0.9 PPG on 0.333 shooting, 0.000 from 3. 6.3 mins.
Q.Pondexter, picked 26th, 3.3 PPG on 0.500 shooting and 0.667 from 3. 11.7 mins.
Lazar Hayward, picked 30th, 2.4 PPG on 0.158 shooting and 0.300 from 3. 8.7 mins.

Pretty bad. Our James Anderson compares extremely well with any of these. Together with the struggles of other rookies, most notably Evan Turner ( some of the other rookies picked early have barely played ), it seems that the early signs are that the Spurs did extremely well in the draft. Of course there's a lot of time for these guys to turn it around but in any case what we see now is that neither of these could have been the answer for the Spurs for the wing position, even as a 7th/8th man, not to mention replacing RJ.

All in all, it's really surprising for me how bad this class is doing early on.

[Chieflion]

Only Paul George is performing relatively well. Despite his poor shooting percentages, and playing behind one of the most prolific scorers in Granger, he has been able to earn minutes not through his offense, but his ability to play defense.

He also displayed relatively good 3 point shot from the rest of the pack, except Anderson. Seeing how 22 out of 34 of George's shots have been 3 point shots, he is not getting a lot of chances to create for his shots, seeing as the Indiana Big three of Collison, Granger and Hibbert are probably the only 3 players to ever step foot into the paint.

Overall, I stick by my belief in Paul George to be one of the top players in the 2010 draft.

[TheProfessor]

Only Paul George is performing relatively well. Despite his poor shooting percentages, and playing behind one of the most prolific scorers in Granger, he has been able to earn minutes not through his offense, but his ability to play defense.

He also displayed relatively good 3 point shot from the rest of the pack, except Anderson. Seeing how 22 out of 34 of George's shots have been 3 point shots, he is not getting a lot of chances to create for his shots, seeing as the Indiana Big three of Collison, Granger and Hibbert are probably the only 3 players to ever step foot into the paint.

Overall, I stick by my belief in Paul George to be one of the top players in the 2010 draft.
Isn't George out of the Pacers' wing rotation already? Pretty sure O'Brien criticized his shot selection and practice habits as well.