Spurs will win the west as long as Lakers don't re-sign Ariza and Odom...

[The_Game]

Otherwise even with sheed this team isn't beating L.A sadly.

[Spursfan092120]

why do you even start threads?

[Spursmania]

Fail.

[BlackBellamy]

Why even play the season? I say we give the Spurs to Seattle. :depressed

[Ace9]

I think the Lakers will re-sign Ariza and Odom, but I think the Spurs are definitely some stiff competition for LA, even w/o Rasheed. Lakers are really deep, and I hope someone steals Ariza/Odom from them, but I doubt; since they did not draft anyone and acquired some cash over a draft day trade. I think our starting lineup has an advantage over their starters.

[Spursmania]

If we pick up Sheed and/or a significant big, we're going to be tough as hell to beat.

[BlackBellamy]

If the Spurs get Rasheed, and Cleveland plays subpar, they'll get a ring. I'm way more worried about King James than Kobe.
I don't agree at all. Our attention should always be squarely put on the defending champs. As much as I hate to say it, the Lakers are still the team to beat.

[Rummpd]

Moronic thread - with a healthy Ginobili + Parker and Duncan Spurs always a threat add some firepower and they can beat anyone anytime any place.

Chill.

[xellos88330]

The signing of Ariza and Odom could help the Lakers alot. The problem is this... who the hell do the Lakers have that can stop Parker? Ariza cannot guard both RJ and Ginobili meaning Kobe is going to have to defend someone.

The Lakers aren't invincible. They were taken to 7 games by an injured Rockets team. The Lakers are the NBA champs yes, but they needed alot of luck to get there.

[angelbelow]

lolololol what a garbage thread.

[ffadicted]

Instead of comparing starting lineup, let's compare the best at each position if the rosters stay exactly as it is, but the spurs keep finley, and the addition of 'Sheed, just for the sake of this thread.

PG: Parker / Fisher - Huge Adv Spurs
SG: Ginobili / Kobe - Adv Lakers
SF: Jefferson / Ariza - Adv Spurs
PF: Duncan / Gasol - Adv Spurs
C: 'Sheed/ Bynum - Adv Spurs

So when you look at, the spurs definitly have the upper hand, no doubt. Kobe is the only spot where the lakers shine above the spurs. Now let's look at the role players/bench players

PG: Hill & McClinton/ Farmar & Brown - Adv Lakers
SG: Mason / Vujabitch - Adv Spurs
SF: Finley/ Luke Walton - Adv Spurs
PF: Mahinmi & Blair / Odom - Huge Adv Lakers
C: Bonner / Powell - Adv Spurs

What was the point of all that? Your guaranteed lakers victory is dumb, anything could happen.

EDIT: Damn, that lineup for the spurs looks pretty sexy actually lol

[z0sa]

Mods, my vote is to please lock this thread and ban the troll.

[45 bank shot]

epic fail

[Spursfan092120]

This guy's as bad as KBP..everyone knows he's a Lakers fan pretending to be a Spurs fan just to bash the Spurs, and yet he continues to do it. It must suck to have no life.

[Bukefal]

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/5562/failr.jpg

[Obstructed_View]

If talent were the sole determination of champions, the Spurs would have won zero titles.

[galvatron3000]

If talent were the sole determination of champions, the Spurs would have won zero titles.

tHE kOBE sHAQ lakers would have 0 too, they played the Pacers, Kings, Blazers who all had more talent top to bottom.

[anakha]

Whatever you say, Laker f... wait, weren't you slobbering all over Lebron's dick one month ago?

[rascal]

I think the Lakers will re-sign Ariza and Odom, but I think the Spurs are definitely some stiff competition for LA, even w/o Rasheed. Lakers are really deep, and I hope someone steals Ariza/Odom from them, but I doubt; since they did not draft anyone and acquired some cash over a draft day trade. I think our starting lineup has an advantage over their starters.

Without Rasheed and just a fill in center the spurs will not beat a healthy Laker team but with Rasheed it will be a dogfight between the two teams and a toss up.

[Obstructed_View]

tHE kOBE sHAQ lakers would have 0 too, they played the Pacers, Kings, Blazers who all had more talent top to bottom.

Those Laker teams owe two of their championships to Spur injuries, so that's not really much of a discussion, but the point is well-made: If talent were the sole determination of champions, either the Blazers or the Kings would have been duking it out in the WCF for several years in a row back then.

[DrHouse]

You guys call him a troll but he was dead on in his predictions for the '09 playoffs. Maybe he's just saying the things you all don't want to hear, but deep down believe to be true.

[z0sa]

You guys call him a troll but he was dead on in his predictions for the '09 playoffs. Maybe he's just saying the things you all don't want to hear, but deep down believe to be true.

what exactly was he dead on about? He changed his story and team multiple times, slobbed on everyone's nuts and even after big moves, continues to hate on his 'favorite' team.

he's a fucking troll, regardless what other trolls like yourself interject.

[rascal]

Those Laker teams owe two of their championships to Spur injuries, so that's not really much of a discussion, but the point is well-made: If talent were the sole determination of champions, either the Blazers or the Kings would have been duking it out in the WCF for several years in a row back then.

Who says those teams had the most talent?

[mytespurs]

Otherwise even with sheed this team isn't beating L.A sadly.

here's another news flash: the spurs may not win the west even if they sign sheed and the lakers don't re-sign odom and ariza.

newflash #2: there are no guarantees in life period.

[tmtcsc]

Otherwise even with sheed this team isn't beating L.A sadly.

Good Gawd, give me a healthy Manu and Tim and I like our chances against most everyone right now. Throw in Sheed and I'd say our chances get even that much better.

[Horse]

I've said it time and again, No disrespect to la for beating who was in front of them. But there were no really great teams this year period. I believe a team like boston or us if healthy with or without sheed can take this laker teams heart, I still believe there a bunch of pussies, who if really pushed will crumble like they did against the celtics.

[Spursmania]

What is going on with Odom and Ariza? The Lakers picked up some cash draft night, in anticipation of FA, July 1st. Are they prepared to take on both contracts? Has anybody heard any recent reports on the likelihood of being able to keep both?

I know we're hoping they don't sign both so our run to the Championships will be easier. Any Laker fan knowledge on this? Any predictions?

[picnroll]

What is going on with Odom and Ariza? The Lakers picked up some cash draft night, in anticipation of FA, July 1st. Are they prepared to take on both contracts? Has anybody heard any recent reports on the likelihood of being able to keep both?

I know we're hoping they don't sign both so our run to the Championships will be easier. Any Laker fan knowledge on this? Any predictions?
fwiw some of the more knowledgeable posters on the on Lakers' boards think that Ariza may be the one at risk and that the Pistons will make him an offer in the $7 million range. Some think that Buss may not match at that level, that his pain threshold is $100 million salary + tax, while others think he will +/- minority owners stepping up and helping him with the luxury tax. Who knows if any of this is accurate and who knows where Shannon Brown fits in.

Too bad Spurs can't indulge themselves with those advantages. SJax and Hedo would still be on the team, Lakers would have won jack and Spurs would be going for a 7-peat.

[Spursmania]

100 million in salary + lux tax. Damn:wow

And the city couldn't even afford to pay for the whole Championship parade.
Big market=big money. Once again, SA is so impressive with 4 titles in this small market.

[Drewlius]

lol @ Ariza ever effecting any team's chances of success.

[picnroll]

lol @ Ariza ever effecting any team's chances of success.

Ariza was effective shunting down Hedo which was key to Lakers' success. Granted he was allowed to continuously hard bump Hedo trying to come around picks without getting called for the foul, much the way the refs swallowed the whistle years earlier letting Karl Malone in the playoffs, when playing for the Lakers, run through Duncan when Duncan went up for shots without a hint of a call. Nevertheless he was effective and a key part of the Lakers win.

[EricB]

Trevor Ariza was a stud for the playoffs for the Lakers bailing them out of games against the Nuggets and Rockets and even Jazz.


Losing him would be a gigantic blow.

[DrHouse]

The bottom line is the Laker franchise has always ponied up the cash when they felt they had a contender. I see no reason why they wouldn't now, especially after Kupchak sold all those draft picks.

The Lakers are good getting better. Now that they won the 'ship they will mentally be stronger than they were before. Internal improvements to Ariza, Bynum, and Brown coupled with all of the Laker's core being in their primes means they will likely find themselves in the Finals once again.

Tim Duncan and Ginobili are simply not capable of doing what they once did at the prime of their careers, even when they are healthy. That's a reality that still hasn't set in for most Spur fans.

[picnroll]

The bottom line is the Laker franchise has always ponied up the cash when they felt they had a contender. I see no reason why they wouldn't now, especially after Kupchak sold all those draft picks.

The Lakers are good getting better. Now that they won the 'ship they will mentally be stronger than they were before. Internal improvements to Ariza, Bynum, and Brown coupled with all of the Laker's core being in their primes means they will likely find themselves in the Finals once again.

Tim Duncan and Ginobili are simply not capable of doing what they once did at the prime of their careers, even when they are healthy. That's a reality that still hasn't set in for most Spur fans.
... and just when in the past has Buss been in the spending league of Cuban, Dolan or Allen, territory he's about to enter?

[TampaDude]

The bottom line is the Laker franchise has always ponied up the cash when they felt they had a contender. I see no reason why they wouldn't now, especially after Kupchak sold all those draft picks.

The Lakers are good getting better. Now that they won the 'ship they will mentally be stronger than they were before. Internal improvements to Ariza, Bynum, and Brown coupled with all of the Laker's core being in their primes means they will likely find themselves in the Finals once again.

Tim Duncan and Ginobili are simply not capable of doing what they once did at the prime of their careers, even when they are healthy. That's a reality that still hasn't set in for most Spur fans.

It's not just Duncan and Ginobili, dude...you have been keeping up with current events, right??? :lol

Anyway, the Lakers will not repeat in 2010.

[qiuyizeng]

Otherwise even with sheed this team isn't beating L.A sadly.

[SouthTexasRancher]

Otherwise even with sheed this team isn't beating L.A sadly.


What a doofus. At the very least be honest with yourself and show the lakers as your team. You fool no one with your stupid, juvenile antics.

This thread is a complete and total failure!!!

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeshhh!

[SouthTexasRancher]

100 million in salary + lux tax. Damn:wow

And the city couldn't even afford to pay for the whole Championship parade.
Big market=big money. Once again, SA is so impressive with 4 titles in this small market.


Excellent post...!

[SouthTexasRancher]

If the Spurs get Rasheed, and Cleveland plays subpar, they'll get a ring. I'm way more worried about King James than Kobe.


Huh? You're kidding, right! The Cavs should count their blessings that Orlando knocked them out. The Lakers would have done to the Cavs what the Spurs did to the Cavs...sweep em! Now Orlando is stronger, the Spurs are stronger, the Lakers will sign Odom & Ariza so they will remain strong...then the Cavs got Shaq. Shaq will not make it 3 Stars he helps win a ring with. It stopped with D.Wade...

[SouthTexasRancher]

You guys call him a troll but he was dead on in his predictions for the '09 playoffs. Maybe he's just saying the things you all don't want to hear, but deep down believe to be true.


I love how you Faker Trolls stick up for each other. Hmmmm, there is something strange out in La La Land. Actually, it is normal as hell for the Plastic city!

[GSH]

lol @ Ariza ever effecting any team's chances of success.

Why not? According to Lakers fans, the lack of Rick Fox cost them a championship.

[DrHouse]

I love how Spur fan is proclaiming the Spurs to be the 2010 champs without even seeing the new team play a single minute on the floor.

Classic :lmao

[SteelerNation]

Here is the biggest question looming for Spurs fans but they are trying to hold off for as long as possible. When Duncan finally retires, how long before the Spurs get another championship? You'd have to get lucky in the lottery again because everyone knows a big talent isnt going to a small market. So I would say a good 30-40 years. Sound about right? Get ready, Spurs fans because that scenario is right around the corner.

[Spursmania]

Here is the biggest question looming for Spurs fans but they are trying to hold off for as long as possible. When Duncan finally retires, how long before the Spurs get another championship? You'd have to get lucky in the lottery again because everyone knows a big talent isnt going to a small market. So I would say a good 30-40 years. Sound about right? Get ready, Spurs fans because that scenario is right around the corner.

Yo dumbass, you think Kobe can play forever? Kobe will be 31 in August. Duncan's only 2 years older. So, once again, GTFO, Noob.

[SouthTexasRancher]

I love how Spur fan is proclaiming the Spurs to be the 2010 champs without even seeing the new team play a single minute on the floor.

Classic :lmao


Thanks, House. Coming from you makes me feel so damn honored. No really, it does! If I win the Lottery this week then my life will be complete!

[SouthTexasRancher]

Here is the biggest question looming for Spurs fans but they are trying to hold off for as long as possible. When Duncan finally retires, how long before the Spurs get another championship? You'd have to get lucky in the lottery again because everyone knows a big talent isnt going to a small market. So I would say a good 30-40 years. Sound about right? Get ready, Spurs fans because that scenario is right around the corner.


I swear, you girlieboyz from La La Land are so damn funny. The way you ladies swap spit, hold hands when walking down the street and showing just how totally ignorant La La Landers are when Jay Leno would go out and ask the extremely simple questions that an uneducated 2 year old would know, yet you morons could not. I'm talking questions like what is 1 + 1 or who is the current President or who was the first President or how many days in a week. But, I'm glad you dumbazzes post here so we can keep laughing our own asses off at you flakes!

[SouthTexasRancher]

Yo dumbass, you think Kobe can play forever? Kobe will be 31 in August. Duncan's only 2 years older. So, once again, GTFO, Noob.


C'mon Spursmania, you need to dumb it way down for these faker fans. Your post obviously sailed over the head's of them all. Or would it be your post sailed right through their empty head's. Anyway, good post...!

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Here is the biggest question looming for Spurs fans but they are trying to hold off for as long as possible. When Duncan finally retires, how long before the Spurs get another championship? You'd have to get lucky in the lottery again because everyone knows a big talent isnt going to a small market. So I would say a good 30-40 years. Sound about right? Get ready, Spurs fans because that scenario is right around the corner.

I really think the Spurs have a chance of landing Kevin Durant in 2011. He is just the type of player that the would shun a big market to play for the Spurs. He is a kid that loves the Austin area and has attended some Spurs games before. By 2011 he could easily be a top ten player in the NBA, perhaps even a top 5 player.

[Danny.Zhu]

If we got Sheed and stay healthy, we can win everything.

[Spursmania]

C'mon Spursmania, you need to dumb it way down for these faker fans. Your post obviously sailed over the head's of them all. Or would it be your post sailed right through their empty head's. Anyway, good post...!

You're right, I should have known better:toast

[VivaPopovich]

no, what's really sad is how laker fans don't even realize what a great coach in Phil Jackson they have and how he is the single most important piece by far

ya'll should be hoping he comes back first, worry about the rest later. if the spurs add rasheed wallace on top of all the changes they made already, they'll have the most talented team in the nba. what would be sad is if it didnt win a ring

[wildbill2u]

The premise is faulty. What makes anyone think they will NOT sign Odom and Ariza? They are intergral parts of their championship team and LA is not scared of going over the cap. They have the money.

IN the slim chance that either player would want to go elsewhere, why wouldn't LA be able to pick up players of similar value? They can and would.

Garbage IN=Garbage OUT

[spurtech09]

with a healthy manu,duncan,and sheed in the mix.....and the addition of RJ I like my chances of SA beating the lakers....I know one team that can definitly destroy the lakers and that is the celtics....with a healthy garnett theres no way that LA can beat boston....if kevin was healthy the celtics would of won the championship no doubt

[spurspokesman]

epic fail
Of epic proportion. If orlando had half a brain and the league enforced the rules(reguarding gasol touching the rim at EOR on lee layup)we could be talking different. If this team doesn't improve the spurs are taking them behind the woodshed. Book it

[afireinside20]

fail

[qiuyizeng]

whatever fakers do,i believe spurs can beat them!they are overrated.

[Mel_13]

Ariza: Show me the money

While Ariza has maintained that he hopes to wear purple and gold again next season, agent David Lee said Monday that the Lakers won't receive any hometown discount from his client

http://www.pe.com/sports/basketball/breakout/stories/PE_Sports_Local_S_lakers_30.3cd2531.html

[CGD]

For what it's worth...



Sources: Ariza may leave Lakers
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By Chris Broussard
ESPN.com
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Trevor Ariza's short but sweet stay in Los Angeles might be coming to an end.


Ariza
The 24-year-old swingman, who played a key role in the Lakers' run to their 15th NBA championship, is on the verge of leaving the club, sources close to the situation said on Wednesday.

With at least five teams pursuing Ariza, the Lakers are currently unwilling to pay him more than the $5.6 million mid-level exception.

"They're letting him go," one of the sources said.

Cleveland is making a hard push for Ariza, and the Cavaliers' coaching staff was speaking with him on Wednesday. While Cleveland can only offer the mid-level as well, Ariza's disappointment with the Lakers' stance has moved other suitors ahead of his current team.

The Rockets, Clippers, Raptors and Blazers are also showing interest in Ariza. Portland and Toronto could each offer more than the mid-level exception.

If the Lakers refuse to increase their offer, it's a clear indication that they are choosing their other big free agent forward, Lamar Odom, over the younger Ariza.

Ariza averaged 8.9 points and 4.3 rebounds in the regular season for the Lakers last season. He increased his scoring to 11.3 points and had 4.2 rebounds per game in the playoffs. He had 16 points and 15 points in the last two Lakers victories in the Finals.

Those numbers were a jump over his career averages of 6.9 points and 3.8 rebounds per game. Ariza has played for three teams in his five-year career.

Chris Broussard covers the NBA for ESPN The Magazine.

[Spursmania]

Not good news for Laker fans.

[SteelerNation]

Not good news for Laker fans.

It is if Artest is coming to replace him. Which is a very real possibility.

[Spursfan092120]

Soooo....Spurs are winning the West, probably?

[Ace9]

Soooo....Spurs are winning the West, probably?

I'm going to have to go with yes, according to the title. :toast

[Danny.Zhu]

That's a double insurance. Cool.

[Whisky Dog]

Talk about backfire