Bucks not making an offer to Villanueva

[ajballer4]

So? Should the Spurs pursue?

[RiverwalkParade]

absolutely

[Steve-O-Matic]

Not gonna happen.

[EmantheSpursFan]

Lets Bring in RJs Friend!
haha
and maybe we can finally beat the bucks next year :P

[DesignatedT]

he is def more of a scoring PF... almost like an SF actually.. but he is around 6'10 and could be a good player. at this point i think our squad needs more defensive minded players than anything but could be interesting.

[xtremesteven33]

eh......

[coyotes_geek]

CG: This is absolutely surprising to me. The Bucks aren't even making the QO, so they're giving up all rights to him. Really wierd. I'm not sure why they would do that.

Now that CV is unrestricted, he's got to be on the list. I wouldn't put him ahead of Sheed or Dyess, but he's definitely moved up a few spots.

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Bucks make offer to Sessions but not Villanueva

MILWAUKEE – The Milwaukee Bucks have made qualifying offers to restricted free agents Ramon Sessions and Ersan Ilyasova, but will not make an offer to Charlie Villanueva.

Bucks general manager John Hammond said Monday the offers to Sessions and Ilyasova give them the right to match contract offers from other teams. Villanueva will be free to sign with any team.

NBA teams have until Tuesday to make qualifying offers to their restricted free agents.

Hammond says he did not want to elaborate on the reasons for the decisions.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090629/ap_on_sp_bk_ne/bkn_bucks_free_agents

[DisAsTerBot]

no d

[Tcan21]

If the Spurs don't make offer or an attempt to resign Gooden, then I don't think Charlie V would be on their radar as well...

[Muser]

If Sheed and Dice won't come, then he's the 3rd option IMO

[BacktoBasics]

This would be an upgrade over Bonner. I think Gooden is the better player but if you could find a way to give away Bonner and free up some money I think a guy like Charlie would really work on this team.

[lefty]

More of a jump shooting big man than a real inside presence.


Not exactly what we're looking for, but I agree, still a good 3rd choice.

[objective]

When with Toronto, I remember CV telling the media that he and Bosh would be just like Duncan and Robinson.

[Marcus Bryant]

Upgrade over Bonner? Sure. But with the addition of Jefferson, the starting big opposite Duncan doesn't need to be much of an offensive threat, save for the ability to score without having plays run for him. Rebounding and defense are the main concerns.

[ace3g]

with the Bucks not making a qualifying offer to V, this might be an advantage for the Spurs in signing Sheed.

Rumors have it that the Magic are going to make an offer to Sheed, but now with V a UFA, I see him better suited for the Magic. They need a mobile PF to guard the likes of Odom, a player they had trouble with in the finals.

[vander]

he seems redundant to Blair.

[objective]

When with Toronto, I remember CV telling the media that he and Bosh would be just like Duncan and Robinson.

found it.

link (http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Basketball/NBA/Toronto/2005/11/23/1319470-sun.html)


T.O.'s Twin Towers?
By STEVE BUFFERY -- Toronto Sun

PHOENIX -- Raptors rookie Charlie Villanueva believes there is something special developing between Chris Bosh and himself on the court.

"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson," Villanueva said, following the team's morning shootaround at the America West Arena. "But a younger version. I really feel that."

[ajballer4]

found it.

link (http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Basketball/NBA/Toronto/2005/11/23/1319470-sun.html)

Ha I think thats funny since the real twin towers were built around defense, and Villy is really lacking there. Bosh is decent however

[bless1187]

wow i never thought he was available, but if he is; he should be on the top of our list. remember pop said this week that they would be signing a "4", so i'm guessing he's trying to sign someone big enough to guard the big mans in the league and be skilled and mobile enough to not be a defensive liability. C. Villanueva is the man for this job.

[kobyz]

what with thhe Bird rights? the Bucks have the Bird right on Villanueva?

[ShoogarBear]

I agree that while Villaneuva has quality, he doesn't bring what the Spurs should be looking for now. He's not a good defender and doesn't have a big man's game. At this point, he'd be a consideration only if Pop was trying to revamp the entire philosophy of the Spurs, which isn't happening.

[lefty]

LMAO " twin towers "

[coyotes_geek]

what with thhe Bird rights? the Bucks have the Bird right on Villanueva?

They do, but not making the QO is a pretty telling sign that they have no intention of using them.

[EricB]

No defense jump shooter.

That era is over and passed.

Pass.

[Spurs Brazil]

Very surprising.

I thought, especially after the RJ trade, they would made the QO to him.

I think CV would be my 4th option behind Sheed, McDyess and Zaza

[jman3000]

His lack of eye brows is worrisome. I like my Spurs players with eyebrows.

[EricB]

His lack of eye brows is worrisome. I like my Spurs players with eyebrows.

What about a pornstache.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

I'd be interested to hear TIMVPs take-- btw, does anyone know if there are teams out there (besides Detroit) that have more to offer than the MLE?

[DPG21920]

I would take him in a heart beat. I think he would fit very well. People here are seriously underestimating his offense. This would not be a slight upgrade over Bonner, but a huge upgrade. Charlie V can score in all types of ways. He is very mobile and athletic and is a legit 6'11.

He has the tools and athleticism to be a good defender. He is still young and can learn. It would be a small risk and at the price the Spurs would get him at, it would make him very tradeable.

[ajballer4]

I'd be interested to hear TIMVPs take-- btw, does anyone know if there are teams out there (besides Detroit) that have more to offer than the MLE?

Im pretty sure OKC does. Theres more I'm sure

[benefactor]

He is certainly down the list, but I wouldn't be unhappy with him. One thing is for sure...Bonner would need to go. They are way to redundant to keep on the same roster. If we were to sign CV, I think we would need to work out a S&T for Collison or some variation thereof.

[DBMethos]

I'd only consider this if Sheed and/or Dice sign elsewhere.

[toki9]

That's so strange...i thought the whole point of dumping RJ's salary was so that they could try to keep both CV and Sessions (although they thought they could keep only one)...what are they thinking?

[timvp]

I'm guessing Skiles hated Villanueva. Villy is like the anti-Skiles player.

I love his offense but his defense would be really bad. Worse than Bonner.

[EricB]

Taller, thinner, balder Drew Gooden.

No thanks.

[Tully365]

Skiles seems to hate a lot of people.... and yet they draft Brandon Jennings, a kid that was caught cheating on the SATs, who seems to be doing a perfect impersonation of Stephon Marbury! It's nice to not be a Bucks fan...

[benefactor]

I'm guessing Skiles hated Villanueva. Villy is like the anti-Skiles player.

I love his offense but his defense would be really bad. Worse than Bonner.
He'd be great as a Bonner replacement. His QO was around 4.6 million. If we could sign him for that then find a way to move Bonner in a S&T for a physical big we would be in pretty good shape.

[Spurs_9_20_21]

Don't really care for him.....They won't get him probably

[Extra Stout]

His lack of eye brows is worrisome. I like my Spurs players with eyebrows.
The Western Desert lives and breathes at forty-five degrees.

[BacktoBasics]

I'd be high on a sign and trade with Bonner and vaughn or Fin if he opts in.

[Tully365]

The Western Desert lives and breathes at forty-five degrees.

:lol Every time I hear that song I cringe...

[Galileo]

So? Should the Spurs pursue?

pass.

[rayray2k8]

Looks like he is gone..
This from his twitter page.
http://twitter.com/CV31

Well, i would like to thank my milwaukee fans, for 3 great years, and Senator Kohl, but my journey in Milwaukee has come to a end,

[SenorSpur]

Upgrade over Bonner? Sure. But with the addition of Jefferson, the starting big opposite Duncan doesn't need to be much of an offensive threat, save for the ability to score without having plays run for him. Rebounding and defense are the main concerns.

In addition to the rebounding and defense, do ya think Pop will favor a big who can open up the floor with 3-pt shooting...a la Horry? If so, Sheed would have to be the frontrunner.

[VivaPopovich]

So? Should the Spurs pursue?

i dont know much about villanueva but if i had to guess me thinks he has an attitude

but then again pop is going after rasheed lol

[IcemanCometh]

One dimensional bad attitude

[toki9]

Skiles seems to hate a lot of people.... and yet they draft Brandon Jennings, a kid that was caught cheating on the SATs, who seems to be doing a perfect impersonation of Stephon Marbury! It's nice to not be a Bucks fan...

i'm looking forward to that pairing...should be very entertaining...and speaking of Jennings, has anyone ever walked (swaggered, in his case) onstage late (by several picks) at the NBA draft? Jennings apparently thought it was pretty cool afterwards because people noticed him...

[kobyz]

if Villanueva sign with the Cavs they gonna be very hard to beat.

[mosdef17]

Instead of going after Rasheed Wallace do you think we could sign Charlie V to the MLE and then throw a veterans minimum towards Rasho Nesterovic? Just something I was thinking of, I think Charlie V would be a great addition. Except, now with Blair it wouldn't be as good of an addition as it would have been 5 days ago.

[K-State Spur]

he seems redundant to Blair.

you'd be hard pressed to find 2 PFs whose games are more different.

[exstatic]

CG: This is absolutely surprising to me. The Bucks aren't even making the QO, so they're giving up all rights to him. Really wierd. I'm not sure why they would do that.

They know there's no way to stay on budget AND keep Sessions AND keep CV, so why pretend? Looks like Sessions was their choice and they're going all in with that.

[Tully365]

One dimensional bad attitude

:lol Actually his bad attitude is multi-dimensional. But then, so is Rasheed's.

[GSH]

I'd be high on a sign and trade with Bonner and vaughn or Fin if he opts in.

If the Bucks are just letting him go, I can't imagine that they would want to take back any salary, unless it is somebody they actually want. I would think that excludes JV. I don't know about Bonner/Finley.

As for whether he's an improvement on Bonner:

On the plus side, he scores a lot of points, and pulls down more boards than Bonner, and he only played 3 minutes per game more than Bonner (27 vs. 24). He also shot 64% jump shots vs. 84% for Bonner, which means he is more than just a spot-up shooter. One big improvement is that he gets 5.5 FTA/48 minutes, compared to .6 FTA/48 minutes for Bonner. Anybody that can force the other team to foul him is going to help free up Duncan.

On the negative side, he was 7th in the league in FGA/48 minutes. If he gets the ball, he's probably going to shoot the ball. The only players who shoot significantly more often are Kobe and D-Wade. (LeBron, Dirk, Carmello, and Danny Granger shoot very slightly more often.) He would definitely think of himself as a first option on the offensive end. He's not known for his defense, and I don't get the feeling that he would be a big asset in the Spurs' defensive system, especially. [Edit: He shoots the 3, but not well - his career average is .327. Just enough to get into trouble. But 25% of his FGA's are 3-pointers. I don't see that flying on a Gregg Popovich team.]

Maybe Bonner is the wrong comparison. How about Villanueva vs. Drew Gooden? Gooden was called a "black hole" for shooting so often - he took about 19 FGA/48 vs. 25 FGA/48 for Villanueva. Gooden's Effective FG% is almost identical to Villanueva's, but he scores a much higher percentage of his points in the paint. Villanueva's 5.5 FTA/48 is good, but Gooden's 8.6 FTA/48 is much better. Gooden is a much better rebounder than Villanueva. The biggest thing in Villanueva's favor is that on any given night, he can go off for 25+ points. If we aren't sold on Gooden, I'm not sure why we would be sold on Charlie Villanueva.

[bless1187]

i would go:
1.) R. Wallace or C. Villanueva
2.) A. McDyess
3.) A. Varejao
4.) D. Gooden
5.) M. Gortat

[exstatic]

He would be a nice pick up. Can play 3-5, can rebound and shoot the tree, becomming a better defender........but Gortat and Wallace would be first in my book.
He can't defend the 3 or the 5, and 6-7 rebounds is sub-par for someone 6'10" and athletic.

[Mavs<Spurs]

No defense jump shooter.

That era is over and passed.

Pass.

Hafta agree with EricB on this one. He'd be an acceptable choice only if we were completely desperate and couldn't get Sheed, Dice or Camby.

:wakeup

[Spursmania]

The whole FA suspense is killing me:lol

[Tully365]

The whole FA suspense is killing me:lol

Me too-- and now the news that Rasheed was seen at the Dallas airport too... I hope that was just a connecting flight!

[Bartleby]

I watched him when he played at UConn and he always seemed to be an underachiever with a weak work ethic. I doubt that's changed much.

[Spurs Brazil]

Cavs Interested In Villanueva, Rasheed, McDyess

According to sources, Charlie Villanueva will be one of Cleveland's free-agent targets when teams are allowed to speak with them Wednesday.

The Cavs have their mid-level exception, expected to be around $5.6 million to $5.8 million, to offer in the first year of a contract. Villanueva's qualifying offer would have been $4.6 million. His salary last season was $3.4 million. Several teams with more salary cap space, such as the Detroit Pistons and Oklahoma City Thunder, might have interest in Villanueva.

Cleveland is also expected to pursue Rasheed Wallace and Antonio McDyess.

Via Plain Dealer

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60176/20090629/cavs_interested_in_villanueva_rasheed_mcdyess/

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

His lack of eye brows is worrisome. I like my Spurs players with eyebrows.

:lmao

[onarollbaby]

His lack of eye brows is worrisome. I like my Spurs players with eyebrows. :lmao

[Brazil]

i would go:
1.) R. Wallace or C. Villanueva
2.) A. McDyess
3.) A. Varejao
4.) D. Gooden
5.) M. Gortat

I would differently

1.) R. Wallace
2.) A. McDyess
3.) D. Gooden
4.) A. Varejao
5.) Villanueva

[Dro210]

Charlie V wants to be in Cleveland... if he is their 1st choice, and I think he should be... He will be there.

[vander]

you'd be hard pressed to find 2 PFs whose games are more different.

not so much in how they score, just both being undersized offensive-minded PFs

[clubalien]

i would go:
1.) R. Wallace or C. Villanueva
2.) A. McDyess
3.) A. Varejao
4.) D. Gooden

while i don't think he will resign with us. I think rasho isn't getting any love. I hope it is because he isn't a "4" that pop was targeting and not because he is white.

[picnroll]

You don't hear about too many teams wanting Gooden. Wonder how cheap he'll go.

[timvp]

I think best news for the Spurs is if CV signs quickly with the Cavs. The Cavs are one of the teams shopping for a bigman with the MLE. It'd also be nice if the Cavs land Bass quickly with their MLE.

That would give the Spurs a pretty good shot at landing Sheed or McDyess.

[Spursmania]

Me too-- and now the news that Rasheed was seen at the Dallas airport too... I hope that was just a connecting flight!

What, I didn't know that! Probably was a connecting flight. I just can't imagine him wanting to play for Dallas at this point in his career plus the rumor that Kidd might not be back.

[SouthTexasRancher]

So? Should the Spurs pursue?

If we can't get Sheed or Dice then by all means. His price sure is right. A little over $3 million. I guess the Bucks didn't want Bonner because last week the Bucks and Spurs could have traded the two with the Spurs kicking in $350,000.00 or so to complete the deal. Villanueva has good numbers to go along with good size. Not sure about his 'D' but, that can be worked on. If we do end up signing him then there is absolutely no reason in the Universe why we can't finally beat the Bucks. Hell, as big as us Texans are at hunting Bucks in the Fall I don't understand why 12 Bucks up in the frozen tundra would be so hard for us.

[SouthTexasRancher]

while i don't think he will resign with us. I think rasho isn't getting any love. I hope it is because he isn't a "4" that pop was targeting and not because he is white.


No, no, no, Rasho. The whole team would require wheelchairs to keep up with Rasho's sloooooooooooooooooooooow crawl. That guy would put all of us in the stands too sleep. Too many others much better to go after.

[Danny.Zhu]

His BB IQ is not high enough.

[mystargtr34]

Charlie V is basically a moderate upgrade over Matt Bonner. Having both on the team is pretty pointless when your a team with such glaring needs elsewhere.

[Mr. Body]

In no way can I sign off on a Villanueva pursuit by the Spurs. But then I don't have to: he's not a good fit for us and we are certainly not a good fit for him. He's a glitzy guy and wants to be flashy.

[mystargtr34]

I would differently

1.) R. Wallace
2.) A. McDyess
3.) D. Gooden
4.) A. Varejao
5.) Villanueva

This would be my list too, but perhaps swap Varejao with Gooden. Also, i think the Spurs would go after Zaza or Gortat before Charlie V.

[bless1187]

Charlie V is basically a moderate upgrade over Matt Bonner. Having both on the team is pretty pointless when your a team with such glaring needs elsewhere.

U have got to be kidding me. C. Villanueva only a moderate upgrade over M. Bonner?!?! I wouldn't mind if you don't like the way he plays or his work ethic, but C. Villanueva is clearly a HUGE upgrade over M. Bonner even with his poor work ethic. C. Villanueva is better than M. Bonner in every aspect of the game except 3pt shooting.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Awful fit. Hope the Cavs take him right away.

[ShoogarBear]

His lack of eye brows is worrisome. I like my Spurs players with eyebrows.


What about a pornstache.

T Park takes jman deeeeep over the leftfield wall!

[Spurtacus]

I can't stand looking at his eyebrowless face for 82 games.

http://blog.internetnews.com/apatrizio/do-not-want-dog.jpg