Finley Returns for 09-10 season

[loveforthegame]

The Spurs should just forfeit the season.

[whottt]

Here's a well reasoned anti-Finley argument:

He sucks ass.

Even if he hit 75% from the field this season and score 18PPG in 10 MPG, he still does more to hurt than help.


Eventually you guys will figure out FGA isn't the most important stat and shot jacking isn't the only part of that game. Until that day comes...don't hold your breath expecting anyone to come around to your POV.

[MarHill]

Here's a well reasoned anti-Finley argument:

He sucks ass.

Even if he hit 75% from the field this season and score 18PPG in 10 MPG, he still does more to hurt than help.


Eventually you guys will figure out FGA isn't the most important stat and shot jacking isn't the only part of that game. Until that day comes...don't hold your breath expecting anyone to come around to your POV.

Whott,

Even if he does suck.....I will give you that for your argument.

It was his option to come back. And he's going to make the most money from the Spurs and not any other team.

Also, the coaching staff likes him!! This was a no-brainer of a decision.

There are some things in life we don't like.....but you learn to live with it.

And if the worst thing in the world as a Spurs fan....is Finley being on the team for one year and considering he held all the cards....we can live with it!!!

:toast

[galvatron3000]

:pctoss:pctoss:pctoss:pctoss

j/k

[benefactor]

http://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/loldog-funny-do-not-want-underwear.jpg

[timtonymanu]

Finley to the Spurs is like Brett Favre to the NFL. Go Away!!!

I expect the starting lineup to be this next year:

Parker
Finley
Jefferson
Duncan
FA big

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

whott is man on fire in this thread :tu

[NewJerSpur]

Damn Gina....no Bowen (to this point) and possibly more Finley. Still time to make it right, but with each day that goes by devoid of movement in that direction my heart shall sink a little more. Time to find a karaoke bar to express my sadness by performing my rendition of "Caribbean Queen" to honor Billy Ocean.

[Russ]

The last Spur to be so disparaged for returning to the team was David Robinson in '01.

He got a second ring after that (despite the doom and gloomers) and we hope that's exactly what Fin gets, too.

You are in good company, Michael! :toast

[meestahmeestah]

here's the MSPaint version of my face when I saw that headline

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/PsychoPriest27/fuuuuu-1.jpg

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The last Spur to be so disparaged for returning to the team was David Robinson in '01.

He got a second ring after that (despite the doom and gloomers) and we hope that's exactly what Fin gets, too.

You are in good company, Michael! :toast


What in the hell are you talking about?

People wanted DRob back. He was still a stud rotation player and helped us win multiple championships.

Finley blows.

[whottt]

Oh my god, I believe I just saw someone use David MOTHERFUCKING ROBINSON and Michael Finley in the same sentence.

It's much worse than I thought

:ban:
:hang
:firingsquad
:chair:
:injection

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

here's the MSPaint version of my face when I saw that headline

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/PsychoPriest27/fuuuuu-1.jpg

:lol

[vander]

here's the MSPaint version of my face when I saw that headline

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/PsychoPriest27/fuuuuu-1.jpg

GTFO my SpursTalk

[Capt Bringdown]

Well, we jettisoned Thomas and Oberto. I guess a fan can't have everything.

I don't know what we saw in Finley. The writing was on the wall when he was with Dallas.

If he gets anything close to the minutes he got last year, it doesn't matter what other moves we make in the offseason - we haven't got a chance.

Also, with Finley it's not just a matter of minutes played - it's when those minutes come in the game.

Waaay too many times Finley got crunch-time minutes last year.

Depressing to even think about him playing next year, I'm heartbroken.

[smrattler]

It is what it is, he had the option, he took it like any of us would too, the guy shot 41% from 3-ball range last year... just welcome him back and hope he has a good season.

[NewJerSpur]

Finley watch 2009 about to commence. This isn't over until the summer ends....or at least until we get past the ASB.

[Marcus Bryant]

Of course, the Spurs could find another salary dump trade. Then I guess the forum could stop with the wrist cutting.

[loveforthegame]

Of course, the Spurs could find another salary dump trade. Then I guess the forum could stop with the wrist cutting.

Doubtful, they'll just pick someone else to hate and complain about.

[kace]

That's where the big disagreement comes. He's not a good insurance player because he's not a good player anymore imo.



1. I was for getting rid of Finley a long time ago, you can go back and check the record and see for yourself. This delusion that anything I or any other poster writes about anything Spurs related is solely due to culting around timvp is laughably foolish. Timvp and I have disagreed on many things, he just happens to be correct this time.

2. Re: 'if he stays and plays more, it's because other players suck'.

So George Hill didn't play in the playoffs until the end was at hand because he sucked? No, it's because of Pop. Suckage doesn't really have to enter into the equation with Pop. Steve Smith began 02/03 as the starter. Only after injuries did Stephen Jackson get a chance. Jackson the year before didn't get a chance even though Smith and Porter both sucked. Players sucking doesn't always factor into rotations.


Kace agreed with Pop's benching of George Hill, amazingly enough. He'll probably come back in this thread and say that Hill wasn't even good when he finally did get to play or some other genius take.

Or maybe he'll go with his "the best players play ... period" card.


i have nothing against you and others having said in the last PO that Hill should have had more PT.
but it was, and it still is, way out of proportion. i'm talking about the Hill love last year and PO and the Fin hate/bashing.

Everyone remember when Pop finally played Hill 33 minutes the last game and see it as the obvious proof that the Hill love/Fin hate theory was the good one.

but everybody seem to forget the outstanding 9 pts/0 ass performance from Hill during his 33 minutes. for me this last game clearly confirmed that Hill was still not ready to be a big game changer for us and that Fin, with his outside shot and his clutchness (which a lot of us seem to unfairly forget), was maybe not a so bad choice.

i always saw Pop being a little bit reluctant to play rookies. but never to the point where he would play a scrubs vet before a star rookie who would have made us win.

so yes, i'm all for the Fab/Bruce/Fin come back as end of the bench players, even if i wouldn't mind Finley and his 2.5 M used in a trade either.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Wonder what will happen if we trade a package of Bonner and Finley and announce that we will not be bringing back Jacque Vaughn. This place would be unbelievable. There would probably be more happy people than after winning a championship.

[holcs50]

The last Spur to be so disparaged for returning to the team was David Robinson in '01.

He got a second ring after that (despite the doom and gloomers) and we hope that's exactly what Fin gets, too.

You are in good company, Michael! :toast

WTF! I don't know if your talking about spurs fans in general or spurstalk cuz I wasn't around here that long ago, but that's f'in one of the most ridiculous things i've heard. I would like to see if there was any threads and who made them back then. They should be capped in the dome.

As for finley, pout all ya want, not making a difference. Personally i don't mind him playin another year for various reasons. Of course its not a first pick but we've had far worse role players the last 5 years.

[timvp]

The last Spur to be so disparaged for returning to the team was David Robinson in '01.

He got a second ring after that (despite the doom and gloomers) and we hope that's exactly what Fin gets, too.

You are in good company, Michael! :toast

:smchode:

[crc21209]

:smchode:

So Timvp what do you think about the Sheed situation now with KG & Boston supposedly playing a factor now?

[timvp]

i have nothing against you and others having said in the last PO that Hill should have had more PT.Then why you have you continued to complain about it for the last three months? All I said is that the Spurs were probably going to lose anyways so playing Hill was a good thing to get experience. After the first few eggs the Spurs laid in that series, I pointed out that Hill would help in the matchups on defense and help makes plays on offense. You proceeded to meltdown and say Hill isn't as good as I made him out to be. Truth is I never said playing Hill would help beat the Mavs but that he should be playing. By playing him almost the entire Game 5, Pop obviously agreed.

So you got that wrong and you also were wrong about the Spurs easily beating the Mavs. Congrats.


but it was, and it still is, way out of proportion. i'm talking about the Hill love last year and PO and the Fin hate/bashing.Go look at Pop's rotation when the season was on the line. His coaching agreed with those of us who said Hill should play more and Finley should play less.

Apology accepted.


but everybody seem to forget the outstanding 9 pts/0 ass performance from Hill during his 33 minutes. for me this last game clearly confirmed that Hill was still not ready to be a big game changer for us and that Fin, with his outside shot and his clutchness (which a lot of us seem to unfairly forget), was maybe not a so bad choice.:lol You so obviously didn't watch the game. Hill played pretty damn well that game. His stats didn't do it justice.

But yeah, keep blindly bashing Hill. It's what you've done since a few dumb fans said the Spurs should trade Parker and play Hill more.


so yes, i'm all for the Fab/Bruce/Fin come back as end of the bench players, even if i wouldn't mind Finley and his 2.5 M used in a trade either.I'm not sure if you read the forum anymore or just complain about stuff but I too have been actively that Bowen and Oberto should return. If Finley picking up his contract doesn't affect how the Spurs spend money the rest of the offseason and Pop doesn't give him a significant role, I'm also fine with Finley at $2.5 million.

[timvp]

So Timvp what do you think about the Sheed situation now with KG & Boston supposedly playing a factor now?

Tough to say until we hear anything from Rasheed.

[kace]

By playing him almost the entire Game 5, Pop obviously agreed.

So you got that wrong and you also were wrong about the Spurs easily beating the Mavs. Congrats.

Go look at Pop's rotation when the season was on the line. His coaching agreed with those of us who said Hill should play more and Finley should play less.

Apology accepted. .


yeah, i was wrong about the spurs beating the mavs and you were right. to be right seems so important for you that i'll concede it to you gladly.
though, i was more hoping for a win, supporting my team when everyone seemed so pessimistic, than predicting a win, even if i really thought it could be possible.


:lol You so obviously didn't watch the game. Hill played pretty damn well that game. His stats didn't do it justice.

But yeah, keep blindly bashing Hill. It's what you've done since a few dumb fans said the Spurs should trade Parker and play Hill more.

slight difference between bashing someone and not over-praising him. i always said and thought Hill was a perfect prospect for this team.

and you can say whatever you want about this game, and even if the kid played really with poise and without fear, he was still almost a non factor. That was clear and obvious, and his stats also show that.



I'm not sure if you read the forum anymore or just complain about stuff but I too have been actively that Bowen and Oberto should return. If Finley picking up his contract doesn't affect how the Spurs spend money the rest of the offseason and Pop doesn't give him a significant role, I'm also fine with Finley at $2.5 million

you're also fine with Finley coming back ?? i could bring your dozens of posts saying the contrary yet.


but my main point was to criticize this stupid idea that Pop could use lesser players just because he's stubborn. Tony, Tim, manu were used as soon as they came. A lot of others had their chances like Beno. The idea that Pop could kill a young player, kill the team by playing weaker players, have a man crush for a player that hurts the team, etc etc.......... stuff like that are just PLAIN BULLSHIT.

Pop like experienced player, the last NBA winners prove he's rather right. he's more oriented towards experienced players than maybe some others coaches, but it never costed us a win in PO IMO. This strategy brought us many ones, and that, that's for sure.

[holcs50]

yeah, i was wrong about the spurs beating the mavs and you were right. to be right seems so important for you that i'll concede it to you gladly.
though, i was more hoping for a win, supporting my team when everyone seemed so pessimistic, than predicting a win, even if i really thought it could be possible.



slight difference between bashing someone and not over-praising him. i always said and thought Hill was a perfect prospect for this team.

and you can say whatever you want about this game, and even if the kid played really with poise and without fear, he was still almost a non factor. That was clear and obvious, and his stats also show that.




you're also fine with Finley coming back ?? i could bring your dozens of posts saying the contrary yet.


but my main point was to criticize this stupid idea that Pop could use lesser players just because he's stubborn. Tony, Tim, manu were used as soon as they came. A lot of others had their chances like Beno. The idea that Pop could kill a young player, kill the team by playing weaker players, have a man crush for a player that hurts the team, etc etc.......... stuff like that are just PLAIN BULLSHIT.

Pop like experienced player, the last NBA winners prove he's rather right. he's more oriented towards experienced players than maybe some others coaches, but it never costed us a win in PO IMO. This strategy brought us many ones, and that, that's for sure.

Yes there was a lot of pessimistic fans, but a lot of those were actually what we call REALISTIC. Of course you have the idiots that ask for peoples heads and constantly bash players and bring up BS shit like trading parker,td,etc. I bashed a few like mason, bonner, and just the bench and bigs in general, but like others kept it realistic why we weren't going to win. We all tried after the first 3 games to stay optimistic but we knew it wasn't going to happen. The roster and injuries wouldn't permit it. I refused to after game 4 act all happy and join into the optimistic talk, and I think I was pretty convinced after game 3. But oh well, teams have those years and we've had two now that we were hurt by injuries...I think and hope we are due for a injury free year. Play TD low minutes and pray all this time off gives gino enough time to completely heal. I think we have the roster-given we get another legit big-to play TD and gino lower minutes and still pull out a lot of wins. :flag:

[timvp]

but my main point was to criticize this stupid idea that Pop could use lesser players just because he's stubborn.Do you know who Steve Smith is?

Pop himself has admitted to being stubborn in the past. After the 2006 season, he said he made a mistake by not playing Oberto more. Some reports have Pop saying he made a mistake by not playing Hill more. Hell, Pop had to be convinced to give Parker a second look because he said no one from France could play point guard in the NBA due to the country's reputation.

Pop is a stubborn coach who likes to take risks. Those two traits have helped the Spurs win four championships. Most of the time, his stubbornness and risk taking works out for the better. Sometimes it doesn't. Pop himself would tell you that.

But apparently you believe Pop is some form of infallible entity who is immune to common coaching errors. Pop is a great coach but he *gasp* makes mistakes sometimes.

[kace]

Do you know who Steve Smith is?

Pop himself has admitted to being stubborn in the past. After the 2006 season, he said he made a mistake by not playing Oberto more. Some reports have Pop saying he made a mistake by not playing Hill more. Hell, Pop had to be convinced to give Parker a second look because he said no one from France could play point guard in the NBA due to the country's reputation.

Pop is a stubborn coach who likes to take risks. Those two traits have helped the Spurs win four championships. Most of the time, his stubbornness and risk taking works out for the better. Sometimes it doesn't. Pop himself would tell you that.

But apparently you believe Pop is some form of infallible entity who is immune to common coaching errors. Pop is a great coach but he *gasp* makes mistakes sometimes.


Every coach has his own style. More conservative or more audacious.

for each situation you brought where Pop could have done differently and maybe better, i could bring you ten of them where people on this forum were asking him to do a thing and he kept on doing his thing and succeed on his choice.

I would really like to know which players did he kill like i often read here ?
Beno ? Rasho ? they don't do better elsewhere, Pop had nothing to do with their own limitations. which ones so ?


I won't say he is always perfect in his PT dealing. but once again, never to the point to mess it up totally. I just think that if Hill or Blair or Mahinmi proove they're essential for this team, they will have their deserved PT.

I just can't see Pop killing them because of the presence of some vets on the roster. Once again, find me a player that Pop snubed as a coach and that ended being really more useful in another team that he was for us. (real question considering you surely know this franchise better than I, especially before 2001, where i was able to see NBA and spurs games regularly).

you won't come with so much names and that in 13 years of coaching. not so bad. his reputation of mishandling some players, especially the young ones, is largely unfair IMO.

[Danny.Zhu]

Please at least one of the two, Roger or Michael.

[chasky]

Parker/Finley/RJ/Duncan/Bonner

Scary.

Nice D :wow

[FkLA]

Sorry for bumping this out of nowhere, wanted to reply since yesterday but was getting my account validated.

All I have to say is a bunch of u are some ungracious mofos...last time I checked it was Mason, not Finley who played like pussy in the playoffs. And I dont buy the whole Mason was played out of position bullshit either, yea its true that Pop fucked up by trying that but even when Mason played with Parker and was simply spotting up for shots he dissapeared. Mason missed most of his attempts and than proceeded to being scared to shoot altogether...same shit that has happened when we had Hedo, Barry, Udoka, etc. The truth is Finley is the only 'shooter' we've brought in since S-Jax left that has stepped up in the postseason, dude has balls and even when he's missing he isnt afraid to keep shooting like these other guys that dissapear and end up at the end of the bench by the end of the series.

Also yes he's a shooter and not much else, but thats his role...I dont understand why everyone expects him to also be a defensive stopper and a slasher. S-Jax was not much else other than a shooter as well, same with Barry & Udoka. I welcome Finley back, especially since our shooters are notorious for dissapearing in the playoffs and he has been an exception. Besides he's getting $2.5 mill, you guys act like he's getting the MLE or something.