Finley Returns for 09-10 season

[bigdog]

Hadn't seen it on here yet.


http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/090630_finley.html


June 30, 2009
Michael Finley Returns for 2009-10 Season

SAN ANTONIO – The San Antonio Spurs announced today that guard/forward Michael Finley informed the team that he will return for the 2009-10 season.

The 6-7, 220-lb. Finley appeared in 81 games with San Antonio last season, averaging 9.7 points, 3.3 rebounds and 1.4 assists in 28.8 minutes. He ranked 23rd in the NBA in three-point field goal percentage shooting a career-high .411 (131-319) from beyond the arc.

Finley was originally signed by the Spurs on 9/2/05. In his four seasons with the Silver and Black he has appeared in 322 games, averaging 9.7 points, 3.1 rebounds and 1.4 assists in 26.1 minutes. Among active players Finley ranks fourth in games played (1,057), fourth in minutes played (37,287), fifth in three-point field goals made (1,422) and ninth in field goals made (6,615). In 1,057 career NBA games he has averaged 16.2 points, 4.5 rebounds and 3.0 assists in 35.3 minutes.

[DPG21920]

Uh-oh...................................

[z0sa]

Bowen averaged 19.1 MPG last season.

If Finley averages more than that this season, I'll be pissed.

Hopefully he gets traded.

[DPG21920]

Cue the computer throwing emoticons.....

[bdictjames]

Parker/Finley/RJ/Duncan/Bonner

Scary.

[D-ROB 50]

Thanks Fin!

[manufan10]

:pctoss
:pctoss
:pctoss

There ya go! :D

[Blackjack]

Put down your clubs people...

The baby seals had nothing to do with this.:hat

[Ditty]

wtf finley we don't need you anymore were trying to get younger

but like i said my friends mom does eva's hair and eva told her that the spurs would trade finley when he picks up his contract and he dosen't bullshit

so well see if it will happen

[lefty]

Timvp ranting in 3,2,...

[Marcus Bryant]

Parker/Finley/RJ/Duncan/Bonner

Scary.

eh?

[Marcus Bryant]

So he'll be included in a trade. BFD. The board's hysteria is a bit much.

[Mr. Body]

Kein surprise.

[baseline bum]

Fucking bitch

[Dex]

People just don't turn down free money. If your job asked...would you like to be fired tomorrow, or not....I think I know what most of us would choose.

Welcome back, Fin.

Don't fuck this up. :downspin:

[manufan10]

So he'll be included in a trade.

I think and hope this is right. I think he signed on so the Spurs can make a trade. Please...

http://www.lostseed.com/public/images/content/jesse-praying.jpg

[scottspurs]

:lmao
Put down your clubs people...

The baby seals had nothing to do with this.:hat:lmao

[Kori Ellis]

He'll be traded or he'll play about 10 mpg. Either way, nothing to get your boxers in a wad about. (this is for my husband)

[SenorSpur]

Finley's return is just further proof that behind a siliver lining of a good summer for the Spurs, there is a dark cloud. Frankly, I don't get why he needed to take so long to make the announcement.

His better be the first contract on the trading block by Feb or before.

[timvp]

Welcome back.

Sign Sheed.©

[Libri]

:madrun

lol

[TheDarkSide.]

does this affect our free agency plans? can we now not offer the full mle or something or does it not affect our salary towards FA's at all? serious question

[DBMethos]

Trade him!

[whottt]

This news it suck!

[Trimble87]

He'll be traded or he'll play about 10 mpg. Either way, nothing to get your boxers in a wad about.

+1. Deep breaths guys.

[loveforthegame]

He'll be traded or he'll play about 10 mpg. Either way, nothing to get your boxers in a wad about. (this is for my husband)

You didn't hear we're doomed now? He could be traded or retire in the next 10 minutes and we'll get posts about how we'll never win another championship because he once wore a Spurs jersey.

[benefactor]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103083

In the words of Marcus Bryant...."Well worship it and stroke your cock to it then."

[loveforthegame]

does this affect our free agency plans? can we now not offer the full mle or something or does it not affect our salary towards FA's at all? serious question

If Pop and RC are to be believed they've been given the green light to load the roster up even if it means paying the LT.

Surely they were prepared for Finley possibly picking his option up so I'm not sure why that would change now.

[ElNono]

:elephant :elephant :elephant

[baseline bum]

Goodbye LLE. :pctoss

[DPG21920]

Exactly. People are acting like this throws some kind of major wrench into the Spurs plans. The Spurs knew Finley's situation and made moves accordingly. I highly doubt this changed anything one way or the other.

It might have made Holt frown a little, but I would bet it did not make him flinch with regards to whatever plans they have.

[bigdog]

As much as I love Finley, I didn't really want him back, but, either he's going to be traded, or he's going to play in limited minutes. Even if he isn't traded, I probably wouldn't mind him for limited minutes.

So...I guess....Welcome back, Finley.

[benefactor]

I wish I was at home so I could take a couple of big gulps out of my Crown bottle. Let's hope that some sort of trade is in the works.

[Mr. Body]

He'll be traded or he'll play about 10 mpg. Either way, nothing to get your boxers in a wad about. (this is for my husband)

100% agreed. Man there are a lot of whiny bitches in here. The player option was as good as set in stone. The Spurs probably even asked him to come back.

[ElNono]

Onto July 1st... I mean, tomorrow.

[Marcus Bryant]

So this allows the Spurs to make a trade using Bonner and Finley instead of using Mason. How is that bad news?

[Ace9]

Well, on the bright side we get a proven vet; someone that should be effective for a short time in the game, nothing more....please Pop? It seems like we can trade him anyways.

[MoSpur]

:pctoss

This dude :pop: here better not play Finley as much as he did last year.

[Whisky Dog]

The opponents ppg in 2009/10 just shot up by 6. Thanks you bastard.

[coyotes_geek]

Meh. What's done is done. Let's go get that big man and we can worry about what to do with Finley later.

[benefactor]

Goodbye LLE. :pctoss
Yup. So much for adding depth. But hey...we have an old, slow chucker in the locker room that will give us some good veteran leadership.

[baseline bum]

Damn you timvp for ever giving me the hope that Finley knew it was over in his post-playoff-exit interview. :lol

FVCK

[lefty]

:pctoss

This dude :pop: here better not play Finley as much as he did last year.

He will

We got RJ, we got a healthy Manu back, but no, no, Pop will leave jump-shooting old fart on the court

:pctoss

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Put down your clubs people...

The baby seals had nothing to do with this.:hat
:lol

So this allows the Spurs to make a trade using Bonner and Finley instead of using Mason. How is that bad news?
:tu

[baseline bum]

http://deceiver.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/aflac-duck.jpg
Fin blows!

[timvp]

I would like to personally welcome Michael Finley back for the 2009-10 NBA season. I believe that his veteran savvy, quick wit, professionalism, dedication and leadership will be invaluable as the San Antonio Spurs attempt to win their fifth NBA championship in franchise history. I thank him for the three great years he's already provided the organization and offer a toast to many more fruitful years to come.

Thank you.

[dbestpro]

So he'll be included in a trade. BFD. The board's hysteria is a bit much.

Agreed. He probably was told that a trade could happen. In the end the money was the key as this is proably his last paycheck.

This could signal a trade for our big man (plus Bonner, Mason) or a sign and trade.

[lefty]

I would like to personally welcome Michael Finley back for the 2009-10 NBA season. I believe that his veteran savvy, quick wit, professionalism, dedication and leadership will be invaluable as the San Antonio Spurs attempt to win their fifth NBA championship in franchise history. I thank him for the three great years he's already provided the organization and offer a toast to many more fruitful years to come.

Thank you.

Talk about being politically correct :wow

[benefactor]

So this allows the Spurs to make a trade using Bonner and Finley instead of using Mason. How is that bad news?
Will that happen though? I learned a long time ago not to trust Pop with Finley. I have a sick gut feeling that he will see Fin as too valueable to trade.

[baseline bum]

http://www.visualeditors.com/apple/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/0802aflacduck.jpg
Too old!

[z0sa]

How is this goodbye to the LLE? Because that will be double now because of the Luxtax?

[mytespurs]

I'll admit I wasn't impressed with Finley's play last season but why is keeping him a negative?

[easjer]

Sigh.

We're not doomed or anything, but I preferred that he went away. Actually, that's been my preference for a couple of years now. Oh well, we don't always get what we want in life.

[coyotes_geek]

How is this goodbye to the LLE? Because that will be double now because of the Luxtax?

The thinking is that the Spurs won't want to use their LLE now that Finley is officially on the books for $2.5M. Whether or not that's a good assumption remains to be seen.

[Marcus Bryant]

Agreed. He probably was told that a trade could happen. In the end the money was the key as this is proably his last paycheck.

This could signal a trade for our big man (plus Bonner, Mason) or a sign and trade.

I don't think they'll move Mason, unless they strike out on a bunch of free agent bigs.

[Kori Ellis]

So this allows the Spurs to make a trade using Bonner and Finley instead of using Mason. How is that bad news?

That's exactly my opinion about it. I think the Spurs are going to make one more trade this summer. Finley staying gives them just another trade asset in expiring salary.

[manufan10]

So this allows the Spurs to make a trade using Bonner and Finley instead of using Mason. How is that bad news?

They just need to find a team that is looking for cap space, and would take a guy who's jumpshot has vanished before our eyes. Hopefully, there's a team out there, with a big that would be useful to the Spurs.

[StoneBuddha]

does this affect our free agency plans? can we now not offer the full mle or something or does it not affect our salary towards FA's at all? serious question

It doesn't affect what the league allows them to do in terms of using the MLE and LLE, but there is a lot of debate if the extra cost ($2.5M + $2.5 lux tax equivalent) will affect what Holt is willing to spend.

[baseline bum]

Fuck. Now two years in a row a Spurs legend is kicked to the curb and this POS is back.

[timvp]

Damn you timvp for ever giving me the hope that Finley knew it was over in his post-playoff-exit interview. :lol

FVCK

Five million dollars is a small price to pay for the guile, gumption and fortitude Michael Howard Finley brings to the San Antonio Spurs organization and this city.

[Mr. Body]

They shouldn't have given him the contract, then. Did anybody truly think he'd walk away from contractual money? Who does this??

[kbrury]

Assuming no trades happen this is what I think the roster comes out to be with the addition of finley.

PG Paker-Hill-Mcclinton
SG Ginobili--Mason-Finley
SF Jefferson-Bowen-Gist
PF Duncan-Blair-Bonner
C Wallace-Mahinmi-Oberto

IR
Mcclinton
Gist
Oberto

Hopefully though Gist can get some playing time whenever Duncan or whomever take games off for rest. If Bowen and Oberto don't come back maybe sign Hairston and a player from the D League like Dwayne Jones from the Toros.

[DPG21920]

That's exactly my opinion about it. I think the Spurs are going to make one more trade this summer. Finley staying gives them just another trade asset in expiring salary.

You also thought Fin was opting out :lol

I no longer trust you, j/k.

[ElNono]

Assuming no trades happen this is what I think the roster comes out to be with the addition of finley.

PG Paker-Hill-Mcclinton
SG Ginobili--Mason-Finley
SF Jefferson-Bowen-Gist
PF Duncan-Blair-Bonner
C Wallace-Mahinmi-Oberto

IR
Mcclinton
Gist
Oberto

Hopefully though Gist can get some playing time whenever Duncan or whomever take games off for rest. If Bowen and Oberto don't come back maybe sign Hairston and a player from the D League like Dwayne Jones from the Toros.

That should read:

SG Finley--Ginobili-Mason

[tomtom]

Oh well as long as Pop doesn't give him muchos minutes...

[coyotes_geek]

They shouldn't have given him the contract, then. Did anybody truly think he'd walk away from contractual money? Who does this??

What were the alternatives back then?

[pad300]

He'll be traded or he'll play about 10 mpg. Either way, nothing to get your boxers in a wad about. (this is for my husband)

You want to cheer him up, you'll just have to go to a Bravatar in the offseason...

[FvckMavs]

That's exactly my opinion about it. I think the Spurs are going to make one more trade this summer. Finley staying gives them just another trade asset in expiring salary.

IMO, Mason's trade value > Finley's. We will see.

[kbrury]

That should read:

SG Finley--Ginobili-Mason

:lol I actually had it like that at first but I didn't want to anger people.

[DPG21920]

One good thing about this:

At least I can still say "I am Finley" when I play pick up basketball!

[timvp]

They shouldn't have given him the contract, then. Did anybody truly think he'd walk away from contractual money? Who does this??While I'm ecstatic Michael Howard Finley has returned, this query is a bit odd. Tim Duncan left $5 million on the table. Bruce Bowen passed on a contract with the Portland Trail Blazers that would have paid him double what the San Antonio Spurs were offering. Brent Barry turned down $4 million to join the San Antonio Spurs. Fabricio Oberto turned down a larger offer from the Memphis Grizzlies to join the San Antonio Spurs. This is just the beginning of a much larger list.

Thank you.

[lefty]

Glenn Robinson 2 seconds of playing time as a Spur >>>> Finley as a Spur

[td4mvp21]

FUCK! Bowen better be back, all I gotta say. I don't think I'd be able to forgive the Spurs for not keeping Bowen over Finley.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Exactly. People are acting like this throws some kind of major wrench into the Spurs plans. The Spurs knew Finley's situation and made moves accordingly. I highly doubt this changed anything one way or the other.

It might have made Holt frown a little, but I would bet it did not make him flinch with regards to whatever plans they have.


It does... we more than likely won't use the LLE now.

[loveforthegame]

While I'm ecstatic Michael Howard Finley has returned, this query is a bit odd. Tim Duncan left $5 million on the table. Bruce Bowen passed on a contract with the Portland Trail Blazers that would have paid him double what the San Antonio Spurs were offering. Brent Barry turned down $4 million to join the San Antonio Spurs. Fabricio Oberto turned down a larger offer from the Memphis Grizzlies to join the San Antonio Spurs. This is just the beginning of a much larger list.

Thank you.

Didn't Finley turn down more money from Miami to play for the Spurs?

[baseline bum]

That should read:

SG Finley--Ginobili-Mason

You forgot:

SF Jefferson--Finley

- and -

PF Bonner--Duncan--Finley--Blair

[timvp]

Didn't Finley turn down more money from Miami to play for the Spurs?Exactly. Thus the "who does this?" query does not compute when compared to reality.

Thank you.

[ElNono]

You forgot:

SF Jefferson--Finley

- and -

PF Bonner--Duncan--Finley--Blair

I didn't. I just had enough with one position. :depressed

[whottt]

You forgot:

SF Jefferson--Finley

- and -

PF Bonner--Duncan--Finley--Blair

C(VS Mavs)-- Finley

[urunobili]

:lol at all the bitching around... 5 mpg or being traded is his fate...

[loveforthegame]

Exactly. Thus the "who does this?" query does not compute when compared to reality.

Thank you.

I could be wrong but I think he was talking about players opting out when they're expected to get a longer contract and more money.

Otherwise, I think most players at the end of careers will take the money every time. Cases like Duncan and Bowen are not the norm.

[DPG21920]

It does... we more than likely won't use the LLE now.

You call that a major wrench??? Spur get RJ and still have a chance to use the MLE (sign Sheed...).

Is it that big of a deal the Spurs won't get someone for the LLE that would not play a lot anyways?

Who cares if they pay luxury tax, it is not your money.

[GooberNuts]

yay!!!!!!

[SenorSpur]

Indeed, Finley returning would present another trade asset, and I'll believe it when I see a trade occur - if it does. Until then, I still cringe at the idea of enduring yet another year of his declining play.

That said, I think it's be a damn shame that Bowen was justifiably sacrificed, as earlier trade fodder, yet Finley has the option to return.

[rayray2k8]

Don't you guys get it?
This might be Finley's last chance at getting a championship, so he'll ride the coattails of the spurs to get it! Him picking up his option was inevitable.
That being said, he serves well as trade bait. :)

[rayray2k8]

Don't you guys get it?
This might be Finley's last chance at getting a championship, so he'll ride the coattails of the spurs to get it! Him picking up his option was inevitable.
That being said, he serves well as trade bait. :)

[BigVee]

As soon as he wins a game by hitting two or three straight 3's you guys will shut up. Tell me of a better 10th man on another roster who knows the Spurs system and will be a great role model for the younger guys? Finley wasn't the reason the Spurs went out in the first round last year.

[loveforthegame]

Makes you wonder why the Spurs only gave Bowen partially guaranteed money back then.

[DPG21920]

Indeed, Finley returning would present another trade asset, and I'll believe it when I see a trade occur - if it does. Until then, I still cringe at the idea of enduring yet another year of his declining play.

That said, I think it's be a damn shame that Bowen was justifiably sacrificed, as earlier trade fodder, yet Finley has the option to return.

Bowen had to be included over Finley because of the nature of his partially guaranteed contract.

[xtremesteven33]

Nothing wrong with having a proven veteran keeping the benches warm.....

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't mind Finley at all if he's keeping the bench warm..he won't though..he's going to get at least 20 MPG, and he's going to be our defensive stopper when he's on the floor..

[EricB]

He'll be traded or he'll play about 10 mpg. Either way, nothing to get your boxers in a wad about. (this is for my husband)

:lol

Funny and informative all in one.

[EricB]

You call that a major wrench??? Spur get RJ and still have a chance to use the MLE (sign Sheed...).

Is it that big of a deal the Spurs won't get someone for the LLE that would not play a lot anyways?

Who cares if they pay luxury tax, it is not your money.


The cost gets passed down.

The rich guy "absorbing" the hit never happens. They pass it down the line.

thats why rich people are rich and more often than not stay rich.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You call that a major wrench??? Spur get RJ and still have a chance to use the MLE (sign Sheed...).

Is it that big of a deal the Spurs won't get someone for the LLE that would not play a lot anyways?

Who cares if they pay luxury tax, it is not your money.

Yes, when I buy tickets or Spurs merchandise, that money doesn't go to the operating costs of the franchise at all...

[vander]

Rabble Rabble!

[tmtcsc]

That's exactly my opinion about it. I think the Spurs are going to make one more trade this summer. Finley staying gives them just another trade asset in expiring salary.

Hmm. Who does Chicago have that we can trade these guys for ?

[Bukefal]

He'll be traded, hopefully. We need new players! stop the circling around the same old players, who do not have much extra to add to the game!!!

[loveforthegame]

I don't mind Finley at all if he's keeping the bench warm..he won't though..he's going to get at least 20 MPG, and he's going to be our defensive stopper when he's on the floor..

I just don't see that much playing time for him.

It would also go against everything Pop has said. Hill getting more minutes and Jefferson being the new Bowen replacement (the one that guards the other teams best player, not the one on the bench).

Not to mention a healthy Ginobli

Unless we have some serious injuries (in which case we wouldn't stand a chance anyway) then Pop has no excuse to play Finley that much. Even in small ball situations.

[DPG21920]

The cost gets passed down.

The rich guy "absorbing" the hit never happens. They pass it down the line.

thats why rich people are rich and more often than not stay rich.


Yes, when I buy tickets or Spurs merchandise, that money doesn't go to the operating costs of the franchise at all...

Now the arguments are getting more and more ridiculous. How come no one cared about these issues (costs getting passed down...) when RJ was signed and the LT was unavoidable?

[whottt]

So let's see: 2005 Bowen and Finley get into an entanglement that results in Finley charging Bowen and trying to get him ejected and then calling the Spurs and Bowen dirty.

2006: The Mavs, realizing that Finley sucks smartly dump his ass. Finley immediately joins champion Spurs.

Spurs become the Mavs shank ass bitch, much like the Mavs with Finley were the Spurs bitch.

2008: Rift between Bowen and Pop occurrs to the direct benefit of Michael Finley

2009: Bowen kicked to the curb his place on the Spurs usurped by Finley.



Michael Finley's revenge on Bowen and the Spurs is just about complete. Duncan will have a 1 year window after Finley is done to win his last title.



I know I know...Finley's great, because he fearlessly jack up a ton of shots that never result in anything meaningful. Yay Fin. You are fucking awesome. You jack up 15 shots shots at a mediocre PCT and the only people you make better are the guys on the other team playing against you!

[Spursmania]

:lol at all the bitching around... 5 mpg or being traded is his fate...

It better be!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

As soon as he wins a game by hitting two or three straight 3's you guys will shut up. Tell me of a better 10th man on another roster who knows the Spurs system and will be a great role model for the younger guys? Finley wasn't the reason the Spurs went out in the first round last year.

Finley shouldn't be anywhere near the court in crunch time, unless he's giving someone a Gatorade in the huddle.

[EricB]

Now the arguments are getting more and more ridiculous. How come no one cared about these issues (costs getting passed down...) when RJ was signed and the LT was unavoidable?


?

You don't see how there is now MORE luxury tax to pay?

Its really not that hard to understand.

[vander]

trade him for cash considerations

[EricB]

So let's see: 2005 Bowen and Finley get into an entanglement that results in Finley charging Bowen and trying to get him ejected and then calling the Spurs and Bowen dirty.

2006: The Mavs, realizing that Finley sucks smartly dump his ass. Finley immediately joins champion Spurs.

Spurs become the Mavs shank ass bitch, much like the Mavs with Finley were the Spurs bitch.

2008: Rift between Bowen and Pop occurrs to the direct benefit of Michael Finley

2009: Bowen kicked to the curb his place on the Spurs usurped by Finley.



Michael Finley's revenge on Bowen and the Spurs is just about complete. Duncan will have a 1 year window after Finley is done to win his last title.



I know I know...Finley's great, because he fearlessly jack up a ton of shots that never result in anything meaningful. Yay Fin. You are fucking awesome. You jack up 15 shots shots at a mediocre PCT and the only people you make better are the guys on the other team playing against you!


What, nothing about 2007?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Now the arguments are getting more and more ridiculous. How come no one cared about these issues (costs getting passed down...) when RJ was signed and the LT was unavoidable?

Because Richard Jefferson doesn't suck.

I don't mind that my ticket price is going to pay the salary of a guy like Jefferson.

I do when it's a washed up scrub that was used as a turnstyle by the Mavs in the playoffs this spring.

[DPG21920]

?

You don't see how there is now MORE luxury tax to pay?

Its really not that hard to understand.

Point is who cares. You cannot bitch about wanting a team to win and wanting the owners to go into luxury tax and then complain the costs will get passed on.

You bitch if you have to spend money on tickets/merch with a team that is not going to win, then you bitch when the FO goes into luxury tax to spend on a winner.

The LLE would count against the cap as well.

[DPG21920]

Because Richard Jefferson doesn't suck.

I don't mind that my ticket price is going to pay the salary of a guy like Jefferson.

I do when it's a washed up scrub that was used as a turnstyle by the Mavs in the playoffs this spring.

Then don't buy tickets. No one is forcing you to. The money was going to be spent anyways. Other moves were going to be made. The FO knew this and it does not change the course.

[whottt]

What, nothing about 2007?

20007 -- Spurs luck out and avoid playing the Mavs thanks to the fact that they remain the bitch of every other team in the NBA, except the Spurs. Finley shows his heart and greatness in the NBA finals by jacking up shots at a 30% clip that do nothing to contribute to that finals win.

As always, he is immediately sucked off by TPark for his amazing ability to jack up meaningless shots.

[Sigz]

Christ, I've never seen such fucking whining from fans about a solid and classy vet returning to the Spurs.

Damn, call the fucking wambulance.

[timvp]

Yay Fin. You are fucking awesome.Exactly. He is an asset to the San Antonio Spurs, the city of San Antonio and Bexar County.

Thank you.

[DPG21920]

Timvp has turned into BRghazi.

[DesignatedT]

Welcome Back Fin :toast

[EricB]

20007 -- Spurs luck out and avoid playing the Mavs thanks to the fact that they remain the bitch of every other team in the NBA, except the Spurs. Finley shows his heart and greatness in the NBA finals by jacking up shots at a 30% clip that do nothing to contribute to that finals win.

As always, he is immediately sucked off by TPark for his amazing ability to jack up meaningless shots.


Just asked why you omitted 2007.

No need to be an asshole about it.

Just curious why you didn't talk about how he did vs Denver and Phoenix also.

Sorry just innocent questions.

I didn't want him back, but I'm not gonna act like the guy pissed in my cheerios just cause he is.

Christ.

[pkbpkb81]

it will be fine so will everyone just stfu

[ElNono]

Timvp has turned into BRghazi.

Finley for Nocioni? Lateral move...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Then don't buy tickets. No one is forcing you to. The money was going to be spent anyways. Other moves were going to be made. The FO knew this and it does not change the course.

Okay, now you're just being stupid.

The player option was a bad idea, and we're stuck with him and his sucktacular play in 2009-2010 because of it.

[whottt]

Just asked why you omitted 2007.

No need to be an asshole about it.

Just curious why you didn't talk about how he did vs Denver and Phoenix also.

Sorry just innocent questions.



True, because we could never beat the Nuggets or Suns until Finley got here. He was key to beating them.

[EricB]

Finley for Nocioni? Lateral move...

Whoa, no.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Just asked why you omitted 2007.

No need to be an asshole about it.

Just curious why you didn't talk about how he did vs Denver and Phoenix also.

Sorry just innocent questions.

I didn't want him back, but I'm not gonna act like the guy pissed in my cheerios just cause he is.

Christ.

Hooray. He hit two shots. We should have re-signed him to a huge deal, just like we did with Jaren Jackson! Oh wait...

[ElNono]

Whoa, no.

I was impersonating Ghazi...

[EricB]

True, because we could never beat the Nuggets or Suns until Finley got here. He was key to beating them.


So he didn't help vs Denver and Phoenix.

Ok got it.

[vander]

Just asked why you omitted 2007.

No need to be an asshole about it.

Just curious why you didn't talk about how he did vs Denver and Phoenix also.

Sorry just innocent questions.

are you arguing that 2 good series 2 years ago make this aged shooter worth 2.5 mil? or are you just arguing that he deserves a little more respect?

the former would be quite laughable

[EricB]

I was impersonating Ghazi...

Don't know who he is sorry, didn't know.

[mardigan]

Yeessssss!!! This offseason is just getting better and better.

[EricB]

are you arguing that 2 good series 2 years ago make this aged shooter worth 2.5 mil? or are you just arguing that he deserves a little more respect?

the former would be quite laughable


I'm just saying he wasn't 100% completely worthless in his time in San Antonio like everyone makes him out to be.
Everyone acts like they resigned Jack Haley for the MLE.

[xellos88330]

Well, on the lighter side, he can show RJ how NOT to play the SF position in the Spurs system.

Just messin', hope he does well this season.

[SKINNYPIMP210]

Christ, I've never seen such fucking whining from fans about a solid and classy vet returning to the Spurs.

Damn, call the fucking wambulance.

LMFAO!!! :lol

[ElNono]

are you arguing that 2 good series 2 years ago make this aged shooter worth 2.5 mil? or are you just arguing that he deserves a little more respect?

the former would be quite laughable

You mean $5 million. We're in lux tax territory.

In other news, I'm almost 100% positive Mike doesn't read Spurstalk...

[DPG21920]

Okay, now you're just being stupid.

The player option was a bad idea, and we're stuck with him and his sucktacular play in 2009-2010 because of it.

Oh really?? Spurs are stuck with him? He has a no trade clause? His contract runs past 2010 so it is not expiring?

Player option was a bad idea, but it changes nothing. Spurs made their plans knowing the option was there and him picking up the option changes nothing.

[Solid D]

Relax. Vent if you wish....but relax. Free Agency hasn't officially started yet, not to mention the 2009-10 season. I assure you, Pop and RC have not been sitting there with their fingers crossed whispering "please don't take the option, please don't take the option...."

[EricB]

Relax. Vent if you wish....but relax. Free Agency hasn't officially started yet, not to mention the 2009-10 season. I assure you, Pop and RC have not been sitting there with their fingers crossed whispering "please don't take the option, please don't take the option...."

As always the best posts :tu

[mardigan]

I assure you, Pop and RC have not been sitting there with their fingers crossed whispering "please don't take the option, please don't take the option...."

:lol

[ElNono]

I've been talking myself into the fact that there has been worse things out there. Like Diop receiving the entire MLE last season.
From that perspective, things don't look as bad anymore...

[DPG21920]

Relax. Vent if you wish....but relax. Free Agency hasn't officially started yet, not to mention the 2009-10 season. I assure you, Pop and RC have not been sitting there with their fingers crossed whispering "please don't take the option, please don't take the option...."

Exactly. God, did no one take a business class? This changed nothing, it was already accounted for.

Crying because Finley took his option and it might cause your beer to go from 7 to 8 dollars is stupid and lame.

[whottt]

He sucks, hurts the team and we have become a progressively softer, weaker, bitch of a team since the day he signed here.

Culminating in our first round exit, near sweep, from the playoffs this year, in a series in which we had home court, at the hands of Finley's old team.

It doesn't get any worse than that.

And yes, Finley is the reason. Since the day he signed with us, the Mavs have known that all they have to do to beat us, is get him on the court. And let him to do us what he used to do them. And it's worked to perfection.

Let me ask you this...do you think Mark Cuban in any way regrets the decision to waive Finley? Do you think he would do things differently if he had it to do over again? Hell no, in fact he'd probably give Finley a raise. Finley's done more to earn his paycheck from the Mavs where our defeat is concerned, as a Spur, than he ever did as a Mav.

Fact.

[Spursmania]

Relax. Vent if you wish....but relax. Free Agency hasn't officially started yet, not to mention the 2009-10 season. I assure you, Pop and RC have not been sitting there with their fingers crossed whispering "please don't take the option, please don't take the option...."


:lmao:lmao:lmao The imagery is hilarious...

[hater]

Finley is responsible for Manu's and Duncan's injuries???

dammit!

[spurster]

I would like to personally welcome Michael Finley back for the 2009-10 NBA season. I believe that his veteran savvy, quick wit, professionalism, dedication and leadership will be invaluable as the San Antonio Spurs attempt to win their fifth NBA championship in franchise history. I thank him for the three great years he's already provided the organization and offer a toast to many more fruitful years to come.

Thank you.

How much of a kickback are you getting?

[ploto]

The only bad part to me is that it pretty much means if they can't trade Finley, then there is no room for Bowen.

[whottt]

Finley is responsible for Manu's and Duncan's injuries???

dammit!

If he's not good enough to get us out of the first round, in a series in which we had HC, against a team that had a hard time even making the playoffs, what in the fuck is he doing on the court in a meaningful role?


It does not get any lower than losing in the first round in a series in which you had HC....not just losing, but losing 4-1. Exactly what did this piece of crap do to justify his continued presence on our roster?

It is the lowpoint of this franchise in the Duncan era.

The dude jacks up shots at a mediocre PCT, that is all he does. Period. He sucks. We are a worse team since the day he signed with us.

He jacks up shots at a mediocre PCT, that's all he does.

[hater]

I agree he underperformed and dissapointed last year BUT...

so did everybody else not named Duncan or Parker. Even Pop dissapointed. Not to mention Dallas always has matchup advantages in the last few years. All not Finley's fault.

Finley should not get more than 10mpg and he won't we have Jefferson now. So why even bitch about a guy who will play a very minor role???

[whottt]

The only bad part to me is that it pretty much means if they can't trade Finley, then there is no room for Bowen.

Right, and somewhere deep inside, Michael Finley is loving that.


I know I know...but he and Bowen are so...tight.

[Spurs Brazil]

3 things that I'm worried:

1 - The Spurs may not use the whole MLE because of it

2 - Bruce chance to comeback now is close to 0

3 - Pop will play him

I think Finley is a great guy, was a great player and I'm very happy he got his ring but he's done. He'd help the Spurs much more if he decided to retired or in other team

[Spurtacus]

Finley stepped up for us during our injury woes of last season. Though I prefer to move on and get somebody younger...he's still a serviceable backup. My gut tells me he won't be traded during the offseason.

[urunobili]

Right, and somewhere deep inside, Michael Finley is loving that.


I know I know...but he and Bowen are so...tight.

So now you're recurring to making shit up? Link to this?

[DPG21920]

3 things that I'm worried:

1 - The Spurs may not use the whole MLE because of it

2 - Bruce chance to comeback now is close to 0

3 - Pop will play him

I think Finley is a great guy, was a great player and I'm very happy he got his ring but he's done. He'd help the Spurs much more if he decided to retired or in other team

1) Don't worry about this one. The MLE will be used the same exact way. Their targets and plan had a price range. Just because Finley picked up his option, that does not mean Sheed changed his asking price. The FO knew Finley could pick up his option and planned accordingly.

2) Bruce was not going to come back anyways. It was already long odds as evidenced by Pop not playing him and by RC's comments.

3) Legit concern, but less likely now that the Spurs have a legit SF in RJ.

[whottt]

So now you're recurring to making shit up? Link to this?

It's not my fault you weren't a Spurfan when Finley whined like a bitch...nor is it my job to educate you.

Don't believe me...no skin off my ass if you go through life stupid...er. In fact, I might even think it's deserved.

[DPG21920]

If you swap Barry for Finley, do the Spurs get out of the first round last season?

[ploto]

Last year, I preferred Barry over Finley- and he could have been used instead of Mason when Pop wanted a veteran to handle the ball. Now, I would rather have Bowen than Finley.

But Pop loves Finley- like no other I have seen, and I am still not convinced that Pop can restrain himself from playing him because he never has in the past no matter how poorly he played.

[whottt]

If you swap Barry for Finley, do the Spurs get out of the first round last season?

If you take Finley off the roster and replace him with TPark, we do better than we did with Finley. You need to check his impact in that series last year...


There were some insane +/- aberrations that can totally be traced to Finley, that are quite amazing.

In fact, I wouldn't even think some of them were mathematically possible, but Finley proved me wrong.

[SonOfAGun]

Holy shit, this guy Finley just won't go away.

[Muser]

If you swap Barry for Finley, do the Spurs get out of the first round last season?


Nope.

[DPG21920]

If you take Finley off the roster and replace him with TPark, we do better than we did with Finley. You need to check his impact in that series last year...


There were some insane +/- aberrations that can totally be traced to Finley, that are quite amazing.

In fact, I wouldn't even think some of them were mathematically possible, but Finley proved me wrong.

That does not answer my question. Do the Spurs WIN if you replace Fin with Brent?

[Muser]

As for Fin, we're kinda at the opposite place of last season, now we need a few veterans to keep the younger players in check.

[urunobili]

It's not my fault you weren't a Spurfan when Finley whined like a bitch...nor is it my job to educate you.

Don't believe me...no skin off my ass if you go through life stupid...er. In fact, I might even think it's deserved.

your fast food built brain is not letting you think properly my friend... and what your childish accusation of me not being a spur fan has to do with you having NO fucking proof of something you're just making up? prove it or erase it... :loser

[ploto]

I just can't get out of my brain the vision of Pop going small with Duncan, RJ, Finley, Manu, and Tony.

[whottt]

I prefer we play 4 on 5 if one of our 5 is going to be Finley. That'll be a 5-4 disadvantage instead of the 6-4 it is with Finley.

I think we'll come out slightly ahead that way. I don't know how a guy can put up a negative 35+/-(in his best shooting game of the series) or something like that, which is like double the rest of the team combined...but Finley finds away to do it.

Finley stepping on the court is equivalent to strapping 50lb weight on the backs of every player on the court at that time...


Probably because he does nothing to positive effect, unless you consider jacking up shots to be a skill, and is a liability in pretty much every other aspect of game play, compounded by the fact that Pop likes to put him on PF's..

Really it's more like a 7-4 disadvantage if you take that into account.

[DPG21920]

Hey Whott, do you drive a Dodge?

[Tully365]

This move hardly registers a blip for the rest of the NBA, but it's like an 8.8 earthquake on the spurstalk richter scale-- skyscrapers crumble, powerlines crash down, lives are destroyed!!!

[loveforthegame]

Hey Whott, do you drive a Dodge?

:lol

[urunobili]

I prefer we play 4 on 5 if one of our 5 is going to be Finley. I think we'll come out slightly ahead that way. I don't know how a guy can put up a negative 35+/-(in his best shooting game of the series) or something like that, which is like double the rest of the team combined...but Finley finds away to do it.

Finley stepping on the court is equivalent to strapping 50lb weight on the backs of every player on the court at that time...


Probably because he does nothing to positive effect, unless you consider jacking up shots to be a skill, and is a liability in pretty much every other aspect of game play.

so you puked when he hit the game tying 3 against NOH at the end of the season last year? :vomit:

[duncan228]

McDonald chimes in.

Finley opts to return to Spurs (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/Finley_opts_to_stay_with_Spurs.html)
Jeff McDonald

In the end, the decision couldn’t have been very difficult at all for Michael Finley. Did he want another $2.5 million, or didn’t he?

To the surprise of absolutely nobody, Finley informed the Spurs on Tuesday afternoon that he will exercise his contractual option and return to play a fifth season with the team.

Finley, 36, is coming off a season in which he averaged 9.7 points, the second-lowest of his career. He led the Spurs in starts (77), and enjoyed the most accurate shooting season of his Spurs’ tenure, hitting 43.7 percent from the field and a career-best 41.1 percent from 3-point range.

Most notably, Finley made two clutch baskets down the stretch of the regular season – to beat Sacramento and force overtime in a victory over New Orleans – that helped the Spurs wrap up the Southwest Division championship.

His role is likely to change somewhat this season, his 15th in the league, with the addition of new swingman Richard Jefferson to the Spurs’ lineup.

Finley will earn $2.5 million this season in the final year of his contract. His return will give the Spurs nine players under contract when free agency opens at 11:01 tonight.

With Bruce Bowen and Kurt Thomas shipped out in the Jefferson trade, it leaves Finley as the oldest player on the Spurs’ roster for the time being.

On April 29, a day after the Spurs were eliminated from the playoffs by his old team, the Dallas Mavericks, Finley indicated that his return to San Antonio – or to the NBA – was far from a slam dunk.

“I’m going to sit back with my family now, enjoy this extended period of time off, and when the time comes that I have to make a decision about my future, that’s when I’ll make it,” Finley said at the time.

D-Day was Tuesday. He made the decision to take the money and play.

[Muser]

People need to chill on this forum, Fin's expiring contract could be a nice asset.

[Gervin44Silas13]

Get rid off him!!!!!!!!!!!!

[loveforthegame]

People need to chill on this forum, Fin's expiring contract could be a nice asset.

Not just to another team either. The Spurs might like having the contracts of Finley, Bonner, and Mason just run off the books after this season.

[superjames1992]

Hadn't seen it on here yet.


http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/090630_finley.html


June 30, 2009
Michael Finley Returns for 2009-10 Season

SAN ANTONIO – The San Antonio Spurs announced today that guard/forward Michael Finley informed the team that he will return for the 2009-10 season.

The 6-7, 220-lb. Finley appeared in 81 games with San Antonio last season, averaging 9.7 points, 3.3 rebounds and 1.4 assists in 28.8 minutes. He ranked 23rd in the NBA in three-point field goal percentage shooting a career-high .411 (131-319) from beyond the arc.

Finley was originally signed by the Spurs on 9/2/05. In his four seasons with the Silver and Black he has appeared in 322 games, averaging 9.7 points, 3.1 rebounds and 1.4 assists in 26.1 minutes. Among active players Finley ranks fourth in games played (1,057), fourth in minutes played (37,287), fifth in three-point field goals made (1,422) and ninth in field goals made (6,615). In 1,057 career NBA games he has averaged 16.2 points, 4.5 rebounds and 3.0 assists in 35.3 minutes.
:bang

[Muser]

Not just to another team either. The Spurs might like having the contracts of Finley, Bonner, and Mason just run off the books after this season.


Yup, and a trade involving all 3 of them could bring in some nice talent. Although i'd rather keep Mason.

[whottt]

Bowen gets thrown under to the benefit of one of the whining pusies that called him(and the Spurs) dirty, Spurfans celebrate....in fact they call him classy.

The day Finley is gone will be one of my favorites as a Spurfan.


And a lot of people have a stupid definition of class...


It's not classy to call a team and player dirty and then turn around and sign with them, just because they are the defending champions, the top rival of the team you are leaving, and you are being paid 15 million a year by that same team are motivated almost entirely by sticking it to them.



That is not classy at all...it is an ALL TIME CUNT MANUEVER, and the karmic fallout has resulted in us being the Mavs bitch and left us with the grim reality that making it out of the first round can now be considered, "improvement". Fuck, winning 2 games in the first round can now be considered improvement.

Fuck this, and fuck Finley.

[whottt]

so you puked when he hit the game tying 3 against NOH at the end of the season last year? :vomit:

Goddamn...we have fallen so far, that is now considered meaningful....to some.

Pathetic. Almost as bad as being proud of winning a Silver Medal or something.

[Borosai]

Cock.

It's not about Finley hate. I just don't want him out there unless there's no other choice.
Finley will get the nod over the younger options, and this time next year, we will still lack a young wing player ready to contribute (outside of the DL or SL). Lebron is licking his chops again.

[Tully365]

Whottt is acting like a drag queen lounge singer who has just been told that Judy Garland died.

[urunobili]

Bowen gets thrown under to the benefit of one of the whining pusies that called him(and the Spurs) dirty, Spurfans celebrate....in fact they call him classy.

oh ok now I get it... But still don;t think this is Bowen is gone because of Fin...

Bowen fucked up his relationship with Pop and something none of us seem to know happened there...

[Das Texan]

awwww fuck.

[DPG21920]

At least Finley did not opt out and become a trader by signing with the Rockets to sit on the bench. Going to your rival to stick it to your own team. That is a b*tch move.

[Muser]

This message board baffles me. Are you people seriously criticizing Finley for what he did in the Mavs series last year? If memory serves me correct, he was the only perimeter player outside of Parker at least TRYING to go to the hole. And he went to the hole as hard as he could for someone his age.

Now, if you really want to start placing blame, you should really look at someone whose dick you all have been sucking here since he arrived, Roger "Regular Season" Mason. He played ENTIRELY worse than Finley did in the Mavs series. And this is a guy who is supposed to be in his prime.


Mason was forced into a role where he sucks, it's not his fault Pop saw something in him that nobody else did.

[Tully365]

And a lot of people have a stupid definition of class...




....it is an ALL TIME CUNT MANUEVER....

Fuck this, and fuck Finley.

:lol :deadhorse

[Pucho!!!]

C'mon guys this couldn't have been that much of a surprise. Good thing about this is he'll help transition sum of the new wing players on our team. Besides I believe he'll prolly be the 3rd string SG behind Manu and Mason and will prolly play at the most 15 mpg. Pop, RC and the Spurs organization seem pretty committed to playing the younger guys so I don't see them repeating old mistakes.

[TDMVPDPOY]

This message board baffles me. Are you people seriously criticizing Finley for what he did in the Mavs series last year? If memory serves me correct, he was the only perimeter player outside of Parker at least TRYING to go to the hole. And he went to the hole as hard as he could for someone his age.


Finley atk the lane, he gives up as many points on the other end....

4 on 5 spurs basketball, i cant fkn wait

[DPG21920]

Fin's D >= Mason's D

[crc21209]

Well, I am not surprised by this either. But I'm not totally dissapointed. Fin is a good-character, high class good guy to have in the locker room to mentor the younger fellas. Plus, for 10-15 mins a game backing up RJ I can't complain. The man can still shoot the rock, so why not? As long as Pop doesnt still have this man-crush with him I'm still OK with the move. I still wouldve wanted Bowen back over him though, but oh well...

[BadOne]

:bang

Oh well. We didn't want this, but you can't blame the guy for taking it. No other team would give him that much. Him and his agent won off of S.A. when he was re-signed last season.

I wonder what that does for Bruce's chances of coming back if and when he's waived.

I also wonder if this means Marcus Williams will be waived from the team. Fin does produce more on the offensive end than Bruce did, but that's not really saying much. He's not as defensively gift as Bruce was. I suppose there's always that chance Pop could include Fin in some sort of trade before the trade deadline later in the up coming season. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

-BADONE

:lobt2:

[objective]

All the people exclaiming that Finley will be the 15th man or only play 5 mpg are ignoring reality.

POP WILL FIND TIME FOR FINLEY.

It does not matter that Jefferson is here.

I put the upcoming in the other thread, and everyone refused to comment on it because they can't refute it.

There's a big myth going around that the only reason Finley played 28 mpg in the playoff is because Manu was hurt. GARBAGE. I checked the numbers, and Manu and Finley played 38 healthy games together (I ignored the 3 first games of each comeback for Manu-getting-in-shape-time).

In the regular season, WITH a healthy Manu, WITH Bowen available, WITH Udoka available, WITH d-league scrubs like Hairston available, WITH Hill available for small-ball shooting guard, Finley STILL averaged 28 minutes a game.

And Manu played a low in minutes last year except for his rookie season. You can probably figure on him averaging even less this year to keep him fresh, maybe 25 a game.

Pop WILL find time for Michael Finley. If it comes from the 4 spot, he'll find time. If it comes from the 3, he'll find time. If he can start him with Manu off the bench, he'll find the time.

And Finley is a disaster on the court. Defensively he's even worse than his brickage.

And don't act like this is some over-reaction or whining. Everything that happened this past season with Finley was predicted, easily so, and vindicated. Go back and check the record and find out who was right and who was wrong.

[Muser]

People act as though playing Finley was the sole reason the Spurs didn't win...

[Spurs Brazil]

Well, it could be worst:

George Exercises Player Option With Dallas
Jun 30, 2009 1:48 PM EST

Devean George's agent said Tuesday morning that the veteran has exercised his player option to remain with the Mavericks for next season.

George will be under contract with Dallas for 2009-10 for $1.6 million.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap/2/

[Muser]

Well, it could be worst:

George Exercises Player Option With Dallas
Jun 30, 2009 1:48 PM EST

Devean George's agent said Tuesday morning that the veteran has exercised his player option to remain with the Mavericks for next season.

George will be under contract with Dallas for 2009-10 for $1.6 million.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap/2/

:lmao

[elbamba]

I think we will hold on to Finley. i don't want him but he is not terrible. He might be effective in 10-15 minutes a night.

[spursfan09]

Seriously Fin was not the reason we lost last year. He's becoming the goat around here. He's a Spur, and I don't expect him to be the all star he once was so I'll support him. He's a vet and capable of hitting big shots.

[crc21209]

Well, it could be worst:

George Exercises Player Option With Dallas
Jun 30, 2009 1:48 PM EST

Devean George's agent said Tuesday morning that the veteran has exercised his player option to remain with the Mavericks for next season.

George will be under contract with Dallas for 2009-10 for $1.6 million.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap/2/


:lmao and people think Fin staying here is bad. At least Fin can still shoot the rock and produce some.

[whottt]

Seriously Fin was not the reason we lost last year. He's becoming the goat around here. He's a Spur, and I don't expect him to be the all star he once was so I'll support him. He's a vet and capable of hitting big shots.

The fuck he wasn't.


http://www.nba.com/games/20090418/DALSAS/boxscore.html


Look at the fucking +/-


Finley -20

Rest of the team combined -19


And that was his good game.


This guy suuuuuuuuuuuuckkkkkkkkks assssssssssssssssssssssssss.


I can go out there and be worst player on the court for 2.5 mil a season...sign me up.

[tp2021]

:lmao and people think Fin staying here is bad. At least Fin can still shoot the rock and produce some.

When someone says, "at least he's not as bad as Devean George" and they actually mean it as an arguement, that's not really a good thing.

[whottt]

I can't believe Bowen is gone and this POC, that actually called Bowen dirty is here in his stead...

At least Ray Allen had the balls to go win his own title and didn't go to Bowen's team to nutride his ring.

[whottt]

I don't know what the stupider logic is...that we would have done even worse than a 4-1 loss in the first round on our own home court to our arch rivals without Finley...


Or the assanine conclusion that he is somehow going to magically become an efficient player in reduced minutes. When every bit of evidence in his career, particularly his Spurs career, says just the opposite.

[timvp]

At least Ray Allen had the balls to go win his own title and didn't go to Bowen's team to nutride his ring.I did not laugh at this.

Michael Finley is an upstanding citizen who is a better basketball player than 99% of the world's population.

Thank you.

[DPG21920]

Thank you. God Bless Sons. Lateral moves.

[whottt]

Seriously though...there is no argument that Finley serves this team better in a reduced capacity role than Bowen. Bowen REQUIRES a defender when shooting from his spot...Bowen can provide valuable minutes against MVP candidates of all shapes and sizes.

And more importantly, Bowen has been one of the defensive backbones of this team for the greatest era of it's history...

Even if you could actually prove Finley has more value than Bowen, and you absolutely cannot, I would still rather have Bowen on the basis of nothing more than his past importance to this team.

[DPG21920]

Seriously though...there is no argument that Finley serves this team better in a reduced capacity role than Bowen. Bowen REQUIRES a defender when shooting from his spot...Bowen can provide valuable minutes against MVP candidates of all shapes and sizes.

And more importantly, Bowen has been one of the defensive backbones of this team for the greatest era of it's history...

Even if you could actually prove Finley has more value than Bowen, and you absolutely cannot, I would still rather have Bowen on the basis of nothing more than his past importance to this team.

No one is arguing this. Bowen is gone and it had to be that way because his contract was non guaranteed. Would you rather have Bowen and no Finley and no RJ or RJ+Finley and no Bowen?

[bigfan]

With our team as it stands I have no problem with Finley as a backup. He's older, he's streaky, both true but I have seen the guy win more than a few games for us. We're getting him relatively cheap, Im glad he's back.

[Extra Stout]

Michael Finley practices good personal hygiene and has committed no felonies that I am aware of in the state of Texas. He is fluent in English.

[Tully365]

And more importantly, Bowen has been one of the defensive backbones of this team for the greatest era of it's history...


So was David Robinson. Time moves on. Bowen was included in a trade for a very good young player, and it was a great trade.


Even if you could actually prove Finley has more value than Bowen, and you absolutely cannot, I would still rather have Bowen on the basis of nothing more than his past importance to this team.

This is why RC is great at what he does, and you wouldn't be.

[DPG21920]

http://www.automedia.com/NewCarBuyersGuide/photos/2005/Dodge/Stratus/Coupe/2005_Dodge_StratusCoupe_ext_1.jpg

[whottt]

I swear, we could get swept on our own court in the first round of the playoffs to our arch rivals and Finley fans would be saying...

Yeah, but imagine how bad we would have lost without Fin.


Followed up by bringing up Finley hitting 3 shots in the middle of the early mid late early early late late mid early third quarter against the 2006 Nuggets, a team that has never beaten us in the playoffs including the previous year when we won a championship, when we are up 3-1 in the series with home court, and citing it as an example of his clutchness.

[bigfan]

Well, it could be worst:

George Exercises Player Option With Dallas
Jun 30, 2009 1:48 PM EST

Devean George's agent said Tuesday morning that the veteran has exercised his player option to remain with the Mavericks for next season.

George will be under contract with Dallas for 2009-10 for $1.6 million.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap/2/

Good one! :lmao

[Jose Ole]

but like i said my friends mom does eva's hair and eva told her that the spurs would trade finley when he picks up his contract and he dosen't bullshit

Well shit, we might as well give Eva a job in the FO?

[DPG21920]

http://www.milwaukeesocialclub.com/page_pix/animation-sports/dodgeball.png

[pkbpkb81]

I can't believe Bowen is gone and this POC, that actually called Bowen dirty is here in his stead...

At least Ray Allen had the balls to go win his own title and didn't go to Bowen's team to nutride his ring.

:lmao

that made me lol for real

[objective]

Finley fans on this forum wish the Spurs would give him a 5 year extension. Because even though he can't shoot well, rebound, or defend even marginally acceptable for the next 5 years after this one, he'd still play 20 minutes a game with such great savvy and class.

[purist]

sheez. you'd think the spurs just signed finley for the max. someone has to fill the 9 thu 12 spots on the roster. Why not a vet with class who knows the system?
back off, please.

[bigdog]

Finley fans on this forum wish the Spurs would give him a 5 year extension. Because even though he can't shoot well, rebound, or defend even marginally acceptable for the next 5 years after this one, he'd still play 20 minutes a game with such great savvy and class.

I hope you're being sarcastic, because I'm the biggest Finley fan that I know, and I didn't want Finley back on the team this year, unless it's in a limited 10 mpg MAX role.

[objective]

I hope you're being sarcastic, because I'm the biggest Finley fan that I know, and I didn't want Finley back on the team this year, unless it's in a limited 10 mpg MAX role.

if you didn't want him back on the team this year, then you're not a big enough Finley fan.

[silverblackfan]

Meh. I welcome having one more solid bench player who knows the system and provides a solid work ethic and leadership. Fin hit some big shots last year, but was just over his head trying to be the 3rd scorer after Manu went down. Different situation this year and he can help all the new guys adjust.
Worse case, if he can't adjust to coming off the bench, trade him before the deadline.

[Tully365]

There were people here saying last year that the Spurs would never trade Bowen, and they were wrong, so the same is true regarding Finley, despite the frequent silly Popovich "manlove" comments... Buford is not going to refuse a beneficial trade involving Finley's expiring contract & services anymore than he did Bowen.

Finley picking up his option might actually give the Spurs more rather than less flexibility, and besides the whole debate is pointless. He has a contract, and he has exercised his option. We've witnessed the fan-martyrs sobbing and whipping themselves at the spurstalk wailing wall, it has been an interesting spectacle, and now it would probably be best to calmly move on.

[objective]

sheez. you'd think the spurs just signed finley for the max. someone has to fill the 9 thu 12 spots on the roster. Why not a vet with class who knows the system?
back off, please.

why not a player who can still play well? Or a young player who could become a good player and be a part of the future?

Spot 9-12?

You do realize that Finley is not going to have his role diminished that much right?

His minutes were the same with Manu on the court and with Manu injured. Finley is Pop's iron man, he is the rock he depends on. Other players have their minutes fluctuate to match what minutes are left after Finley gets his. A healthy Manu won't change it, and Jefferson won't change it.

I foresee Finley getting 20 mpg instead of 28, and that doesn't make him the 12th man.

[wildbill2u]

I took a big breath and thought about it. Look at the positives I told myself.

1. Findog started almost all the games (77) and playoffs so he was pretty durable.

2. He had his best year as a Spur offensively. Good percentage shooting--and he knows when to shoot and when not to.

3. Veteran presence on a club with some newbies. Good work ethic. Teach them how to be a NBA player and a Spur.

4. He's really not a bad backup for Jefferson or at SG if needed. His minutes should be shorter.

5. With all those positives he might be worth something in a trade. Look what Bruce got us.

Welcome back, Findog.

[BillMc]

I welcome him back. I think he will give us some leadership and good depth at the three.

[whottt]

I gotta admit, Finley has been excellent off the deep bench in his Spurs career. :rollfucking eyes

[objective]

I gotta admit, Finley has been excellent off the deep bench in his Spurs career. :rollfucking eyes

If/when Finley starts at SG, does that mean he's still the 12th man?

[Ocotillo]

http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/gregg_popovich.jpg

I wish I could quit you.....

[Marcus Bryant]

Oh boo fucking hoo. The Spurs have one more expiring contract to trade.

[purist]

why not a player who can still play well? Or a young player who could become a good player and be a part of the future?

Spot 9-12?

You do realize that Finley is not going to have his role diminished that much right?

His minutes were the same with Manu on the court and with Manu injured. Finley is Pop's iron man, he is the rock he depends on. Other players have their minutes fluctuate to match what minutes are left after Finley gets his. A healthy Manu won't change it, and Jefferson won't change it.

I foresee Finley getting 20 mpg instead of 28, and that doesn't make him the 12th man.

Point is with Jefferson there won't be as many minutes to go around, but Fin is still a good insurance type of player. There a number of games last season when he was the only one on the floor that could hit an open shot. That's his role, nothing more.

And as afar as younger guys, i suspect two draftpicks to have a real shot at making the 12-man roster and possiblly Mahinmi. Having FIn balances the squad.

[Muser]

Oh boo fucking hoo. The Spurs have one more expiring contract to trade.


That's the big picture :toast

[kace]

i never thought i would see a more annoying church that the manu's one.

but the Timvp one is quite boring too. so Timvp acts like Finley is the worse thing that has ever happened to this franchise and dozens of members blindly follow him.


Finley will either be traded or will play 10 mpg. if he stays and plays more, that will be because the others players at his position suck. don't see anything here to blame him for.

[objective]

Point is with Jefferson there won't be as many minutes to go around, but Fin is still a good insurance type of player.

That's where the big disagreement comes. He's not a good insurance player because he's not a good player anymore imo.


Timvp acts like Finley is the worse thing that has ever happened to this franchise and dozens of members blindly follow him.


Finley will either be traded or will play 10 mpg. if he stays and plays more, that will be because the others players at his position suck. don't see anything here to blame him for.

1. I was for getting rid of Finley a long time ago, you can go back and check the record and see for yourself. This delusion that anything I or any other poster writes about anything Spurs related is solely due to culting around timvp is laughably foolish. Timvp and I have disagreed on many things, he just happens to be correct this time.

2. Re: 'if he stays and plays more, it's because other players suck'.

So George Hill didn't play in the playoffs until the end was at hand because he sucked? No, it's because of Pop. Suckage doesn't really have to enter into the equation with Pop. Steve Smith began 02/03 as the starter. Only after injuries did Stephen Jackson get a chance. Jackson the year before didn't get a chance even though Smith and Porter both sucked. Players sucking doesn't always factor into rotations.

[Sigz]

Niggas here need to quit trippin' over Fin-dog.

Shiiit.

[Marcus Bryant]

Even if the Spurs wanted him to not exercise it, it does give them a trade asset and I think they are still forced to use the full MLE to land a starting bigman. They don't make the Jefferson trade without assuming that Finley will take the option and that they will have to use the full MLE at least to land a starting bigman they like (ie Wallace, McDyess).

If anything, Finley taking the option makes it more likely that they make another trade. While, yes, it may make it less likely that they use the LLE, I think they'll get more back in a trade than by using the LLE.

[whottt]

Expiring contract? Yay! When's the parade?

Who needs to stupid extra dollars during the summer FA period anyway...the trade period i where the real deals are, and we've already got the title in the bag anyway. Have you guys checked out our bigmen rotation? Matt Bonner and two rookies. GTFO of the way Lakers. Keep the awesomene classy incredible clutchness known as Finley is by far the best move here.

Yay Fin!

You guys just watch...Finley will hit a big shot in the mid 3rd quarter against the Thunder at some point, and save us from being the first pick in the lottery...be sure to show up and hate then!

[timvp]

but the Timvp one is quite boring too. so Timvp acts like Finley is the worse thing that has ever happened to this franchise and dozens of members blindly follow him.Yes, I am the only one who appreciates what Michael Howard Finley brings to the table.

Fabulous take. Almost as good as your take the Jacque Vaughn is superior to George Hill. Or your take that the Spurs would easily beat the Mavericks.

Great job.

Thank you.

[Marcus Bryant]

Expiring contract? Yay! When's the parade?

Who needs to stupid extra dollars during the summer FA period anyway...the trade period i where the real deals are, and we've already got the title in the bag anyway. Have you guys checked out our bigmen rotation? Matt Bonner and two rookies. GTFO of the way Lakers.


That's what the MLE is for. Not to mention that the Spurs could take back a bigman with a $10 mil salary if they moved Bonner, Finley, Mason, and Williams.

[BillMc]

We have Duncan/Manu/Parker, do we really need more leadership?

It never hurts. :flag:

[timvp]

So George Hill didn't play in the playoffs until the end was at hand because he sucked? No, it's because of Pop. Kace agreed with Pop's benching of George Hill, amazingly enough. He'll probably come back in this thread and say that Hill wasn't even good when he finally did get to play or some other genius take.

Or maybe he'll go with his "the best players play ... period" card.

[whottt]

We have Duncan/Manu/Parker, do we really need more leadership?

Hater! Wiithout Findog we'd have been swept by the Mavs in the first round this year.

Finley was the only one stepped up and carried this group of scrubs...

This team can't do shit without Michael Fucking Finley. He carries us!


Besides, he's going to get 10 minutes a game and he becomes more efficient when playing 10 mins a game.

[objective]

We have Duncan/Manu/Parker, do we really need more leadership?

lol, exactly.

And add to that the whole, "but he'll bring class to the bench" argument.

Because if, god forbid, Finley had just retired the Spurs would be forced to bring in some nanny-raping gangster crackfiend who would doom the Spurs with his lack of class.

No other player could possibly ever dream of having any class.

[vander]

I took a big breath and thought about it. Look at the positives I told myself.

1. Findog started almost all the games (77) and playoffs so he was pretty durable.


that's actually a terrifying negative, if he were to get injured, we would probably be better off :lol

[superbigtime]

It's obvious he was going to re-sign. Spurs at least have a trade asset. Hopefully with healthy squad and new players, Pop will not play 30 mpg. Overall, Fin has been an asset to the Spurs and he was won several games with big shots. People just don't give him proper credit. I hope Finley doesn't read this thread, ungracious bitches.

[Marcus Bryant]

This with Bonner coming back will have me on the ledge.

People that are talking about sign and trading him... I thought he had a no trade clause in his contract. He took the money like he did from Cuban and he's not going to be traded unless he's a starter.... MAYBE and then... who the fuck wants Finley to start besides POP!

link?

[vander]

link?

keyword: "thought"

[Marcus Bryant]

keyword: "thought"

Yeah, I saw that.

link?

[vander]

This with Bonner coming back will have me on the ledge.

People that are talking about sign and trading him... I thought he had a no trade clause in his contract. He took the money like he did from Cuban and he's not going to be traded unless he's a starter.... MAYBE and then... who the fuck wants Finley to start besides POP!

Bonner was 19th in the LEAGUE in +/- last year

the LEAGUE!!!

he's not a scrub people, and I will not stop reminding you.

[Marcus Bryant]

Bonner is a good 4th or 5th big. And he has an expiring contract.

[benefactor]

http://diy.despair.com/output/poster59479675.jpg

[objective]

This with Bonner coming back will have me on the ledge.

People that are talking about sign and trading him... I thought he had a no trade clause in his contract. He took the money like he did from Cuban and he's not going to be traded unless he's a starter.... MAYBE and then... who the fuck wants Finley to start besides POP!

you're thinking I believe of the Devean George scenario where a vet with the option of keeping his early bird rights can reject a trade.

Now that Finley has picked up the second year, team trading for him would have those rights and theoretically could pay him more in a follow up contract, so he can't reject a trade.

that's all from memory, if linkchasers want to go read the Coon FAQ go do it and correct me if I'm wrong.

[Borosai]

So, the conclusion is that Finley is a super-classy, veteran turnstile that will make a few big shots during the season and dawn his invisibility cloak the rest of the time while taking away minutes from the younger players that could help the Spurs in the coming years. OR he could be traded. OR he could be Barry'd at the end of the bench.

[z0sa]

Bonner was 19th in the LEAGUE in +/- last year

the LEAGUE!!!

he's not a scrub people, and I will not stop reminding you.

Bonner had great moments last season, and a very nice Game 2 against the Mavs. When he can go back to being the 5th option on offense at any given time, he will be one of the strongest shooters in the League. Not only that, he's more than willing to shoot shots that are wide open (read: those .5 second openings he had at times during the Mavs series really weren't all that open) At 6'10, that's nice to have.

[objective]

Bonner had great moments last season, and a very nice Game 2 against the Mavs. When he can go back to being the 5th option on offense at any given time, he will be one of the strongest shooters in the League. Not only that, he's more than willing to shoot shots that are wide open (read: those .5 second openings he had at times during the Mavs series really weren't all that open) At 6'10, that's nice to have.

I would have to take some issue with him and Game 2. My memory is that he only started hitting shots in that game after Parker near singlehandedly got the Spurs a double digit lead and the pressure was off. If I'm wrong I apologize, but game 2 to my recollection wasn't really a very nice game for him.

I would agree that he can play a role in the NBA and I'm not chomping at the bit for the Spurs to trade him, though I don't particularly care for them to re-sign him in 2010. Unlike Finley, Bonner can play a useful role as long as he's not starting.

[whottt]

Unlike Finley, everyone sees Bonner is a choker and has no business closing out games regularly.

[z0sa]

^^ yo, it's taking what the defense gives you. From that point on, they didn't give Bonner a look without someone running at him hard.

[Capt Bringdown]

Finley's return is just further proof that behind a siliver lining of a good summer for the Spurs, there is a dark cloud.

The devil's in the details, and more of Finley's terrible basketball is a detail our championship hopes cannot afford.

This is horrible news.

[Marcus Bryant]

Until they deal him and Bonner to land a solid 3rd big or swingman.

[mystargtr34]

Im hoping a pre arranged trade has been made. If one doesnt come up within 24 hours, then thats probably not the case.

Im not sure for what other reasons he would sell his house.

[MarHill]

The decision for Finley to come back...was the easiest one he has to make in his entire career.

Let's see.....

I have an option to come back to a team where I played the last four years and I won my first championship ring in my long career.

And they are paying more than anyone else (2.5m) at this point in my career.

Oh by the way.....they have upgraded themselves at SF and are still one of the best five teams in the league. And they have a shot win another championship and get me my second ring!!!

Moreover, the head coach likes and respect me and I get along with most everybody on the team.

Do I comeback or not?????? Hmmmmm....let me think about this for a minute.

Or let me draw it out until June 30th.....to create a negative buzz about me on Spurstalk.

You know Pop and RC....I'm coming back. And they both probably wanted me to comeback.

Boy that was a hard decision!!!! :wow

SenorSpur and Timvp have made some reasoned arguments on why he shouldn't come back. But when the athlete holds the cards in the negotiation and the money is good or better than where he's going get anywhere else.....the answer is obvious.

Lastly, yes Pop likes Finley! Even the most objective Spurs fans can see that.

But, I posted this to SenorSpur....he will give depth to the SF position and he won't start. RJ will get most of the minutes despite what many of you may think.

And he can still a hit shot (I know....inconsistently) in a big spot.

So him coming back to the Spurs for his last season...isn't the worst thing since Kwame Brown came into the league even though some in this forum has made it out be.

Welcome back Finley!!!

Welcome back!!!! :lmao