Rasheed Visiting San Antonio Next Week!

[Man Mountain]

Boston lead owner Wyc Grousbeck, general manager Danny Ainge, head coach Doc Rivers, Garnett, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce all went to Detroit on Thursday to formally present Wallace with an offer for the full mid-level exception. But they left town without Wallace agreeing to a deal. Wallace will visit San Antonio and Orlando next week, according to a source, before making up his mind. Wallace is not likely to visit Cleveland.

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/david_aldridge/07/02/artest.lakers/


:elephant

[coyotes_geek]

Obviously good news on the visiting SA part. Curious that he's not going to visit Cleveland. I wonder if that's Sheed not wanting Cleveland, or Cleveland deciding to just keep Varejao and not pursue Sheed.

[Summers]

Next week? As in... Monday? Why isn't someone already in Detroit?

[timvp]

Hopefully it is early next week. Free agents can start signing on Wednesday . . .

[SenorSpur]

Anyone drawing any significance to the fact that the C's management and players sent a contingent to Detroit, yet Wallace is willingly traveling to S.A.?

[kbrury]

I hope this doesn't take too long, I would just offer the entire MLE too mcdyess so we can focus on a possible trade and another big. Hopefully though next week means monday 12:01 AM and we sent a private jet with at least TD and pop in it.

[ChumpDumper]

Sheed was here last week. I read it on the internets.

[Chillen]

If the Spurs can sign Sheed, they could be the only team in the West that has a legit shot at perhaps giving those Lakers a battle.

[Spursmania]

Maybe some of the moves that some of our rivals have made will motivate RC and Holt to be more aggressive. July 8th is around the corner!

[Killakobe81]

That is a heavy push I think Spurs need him more and his skillset fits SA more ...but Boston is closer to his Philly home ...
If not Rasheed then who?

[SonOfAGun]

Listening to natl sports radio/tv you'd almost be certain Sheed is about to sign with BOS.

Wilbon was already talking about how it increases their chance at a ring.

[celldweller]

Anyone drawing any significance to the fact that the C's management and players sent a contingent to Detroit, yet Wallace is willingly traveling to S.A.?

It does say alot. My gut tells me (beside more beer) that Sheed will end up a Spur.

[iggypop123]

sheed wants major ass kissing before he signs

[CGD]

Well it is a holiday weekend after all...

[coyotes_geek]

Anyone drawing any significance to the fact that the C's management and players sent a contingent to Detroit, yet Wallace is willingly traveling to S.A.?

You could make a case that it's a sign that the celtics felt that if they were going to have a shot at sheed they needed to get to him before he met with the Spurs. But there's no way to know how much truth there is to that.

[Tully365]

He was in the airport 3 days ago, but now he's not talking to the Spurs until next week?
Interesting....

[Blackjack]

Sheed was here last week. I read it on the internets.

Very true.:tu

I read it on the interwebs.:hat

[lefty]

And the Need4Sheed Tour has officially started :

- July 9 @ San Antonio
- July 16 @ Cleveland
- July 23 @ Detroit
- July 30 @ Chicago
- Aug 6 @ L.A
- Aug 13 @ Portland (unbeavable)
- Aug 15 @ Montreal (because it's my fucking birthday)

- Aug 22 @ Athenes (contact Kill Bill Pana for tickets)

[kbrury]

dont forget our inside source Eva's hairdresser!

[jay014]

Greet him with Pop,Duncan,Parker,Ginobili,Jefferson and the band.http://images.quickblogcast.com/28223-26784/Mariachis.JPG

[Summers]

sheed wants major ass kissing before he signs

Meh, he wants to know what his options are. With a wife and kids, he's got to consider what's best for them, too.

[SenorSpur]

Meanwhile the Spurs FO remain calm and cool in the face of a dwindling market on bigs. I know it's not their style to panic. It's quite possible they must have something up their sleeve we don't know about.

[Ditty]

dont forget our inside source Eva's hairdresser!

are u talking about me?

it was about finley was the only rumor that the spurs are trying to trade him

[Summers]

Greet him with Pop,Duncan,Parker,Ginobili,and Jefferson and the band.http://images.quickblogcast.com/28223-26784/Mariachis.JPG

How can you say no to that? I mean, as long as we're talking floating down the river eating something covered in cheese and drinking a margarita while listening to it...

[Spursmania]

I don't think the airport sighting was ever confirmed by a legit news source. So who knows if he ever really came down here. I read a small article on a link posted here, but the "sighting" didn't sound confirmed to me.

[xtremesteven33]

Meanwhile the Spurs FO remain calm and cool in the face of a dwindling market on bigs. I know it's not their style to panic. It's quite possible they must have something up their sleeve we don't know about.



http://i40.tinypic.com/2dienox.jpg

[Spursmania]

Meanwhile the Spurs FO remain calm and cool in the face of a dwindling market on bigs. I know it's not their style to panic. It's quite possible they must have something up their sleeve we don't know about.

I hope so:toast

[Summers]

http://i40.tinypic.com/2dienox.jpg

That's what I'm saying; he was here for a social visit with Timmy last week.

[ohmwrecker]

Mexican food is good when you are stoned.

[iilluzioN]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm weeed sounds good right about now


weed + nba live 09 = life

[montgod]

I agree with other posters. My only concern is that Wallace drags this out and possibly hurts our chances at getting an alternate big available like Dice.

Hopefully, he chooses the Spurs before going to Orlando. Then he could still visit Orlando to plan ahead for what he will do when he goes to Disneyland to celebrate at the end of the season. :D

[lefty]

Mexican food is good when you are stoned.
I don't see it like that


I think weed tastes better after eating Mexican food

And that combo make farts funnier

[xtremesteven33]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm weeed sounds good right about now


weed + nba live 09 = life

:toast

[lefty]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm weeed sounds good right about now


weed + nba live 09 = life

weed + nba live 09 = suicide

Because being stoned make you realize that NBA 2k9 is 100000 times better

[xtremesteven33]

weed + nba live 09 = suicide

Because being stoned make you realize that NBA 2k9 is 100000 times better

:toast:toast

[SPURSGOAT]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm weeed sounds good right about now


weed + nba 2k9 = life

Fixed!

[Ditty]

maybe we should all welcome him at the airport and have his own parade with thousands of spurs fans down the riverwalk

i would defintly call in for that

[YODA]

Someone stated he came here to talk to Timmy? Any truth in that?

As far as Boston having all those players and coach come to see him. I see it 2 ways.
1. wow..look how much they want me. Coach and top players take the time to come see me and recuit me
2. Dam,,they trying to hard to get me, maybe I shoud see what my options really are.

He has to know he is a better fit in SA then any other team.
Pop basically gonna tell it like it is. This is our offer, this is the players you would play with, this is what we can do for you and I need an answer by xxx date.

Gotta respect telling it like it is.

Yoda

[crc21209]

Wow so we're gonna have to wait till next week for a decision huh folks? Well damn it...:lol.

[NewJerSpur]

I just wonder who else SA might be in contact with on the low.

[Ditty]

i think sheed is making that excuse to boston that he wants to look at other team soff because deep down inside he knoews him and garnett will have problems with garnetts mouth running all the time it wont be sheed with the big mouth

i really think sheed will come at the end of all this saga .pop and tim will dfintly make sheed feel at home if everyone says that he is really close to them

[loveforthegame]

I just wonder who else SA might be in contact with on the low.

Well, they've been rumored to have interest in Frye, Gortat, Davis, Bass, McDyess, Pachulia along with Wallace. I thought there was someone else but that's all I can remember right now.

Not too many more fa names out there I don't think in terms of big men.

Childress is the only non big I've read about.

[ohmwrecker]

i think sheed is making that excuse to boston that he wants to look at other team soff because deep down inside he knoews him and garnett will have problems with garnetts mouth running all the time it wont be sheed with the big mouth

i really think sheed will come at the end of all this saga .pop and tim will dfintly make sheed feel at home if everyone says that he is really close to them


That made no sense whatsoever.

[z0sa]

That made no sense whatsoever.

:lmao

[z0sa]

Well, they've been rumored to have interest in Frye, Gortat, Davis, Bass, McDyess, Pachulia along with Wallace. I thought there was someone else but that's all I can remember right now.

Not too many more fa names out there I don't think in terms of big men.

Childress is the only non big I've read about.

i wouldn't buy the rumors. Pop and co. have planned the exact timing to reveal every card so their effects are maximized. I have confidence in their ability to make the best decision.

[NewJerSpur]

Well, they've been rumored to have interest in Frye, Gortat, Davis, Bass, McDyess, Pachulia along with Wallace. I thought there was someone else but that's all I can remember right now.

Not too many more fa names out there I don't think in terms of big men.

Childress is the only non big I've read about.

Yeah....I wish we could tap into the Spurs brass and get some more info on who they might be talking to that might not be getting leaked to the media.

[ORION]

He seems like the type of dude that would want to float down the comal with some beer. I got this.

[Ditty]

That made no sense whatsoever.

put it better words :rolleyes

sheed is saying he is no rush to sign with anyone because wants to look at other offers

dont you think that is kinda shady when your going to get the same amount of money in san antonio probably

hes coming to san antonio if pop and tim will show him around town no doubt hes much closer to them then ainge and garnett

[Ice009]

Seriously guys where is Pop?

Hasn't he usually been at these press conferences to introduce drafted players previous seasons?

I haven't seen him around anywhere. He's obviously gotta be working his ass off on something.

[coyotes_geek]

put it better words :rolleyes

sheed is saying he is no rush to sign with anyone because wants to look at other offers

You should have stopped here. There's nothing shady about wanting to examine all your options.

[Avitus1]

Let the wooing begin.

[Ditty]

You should have stopped here. There's nothing shady about wanting to examine all your options.

okay if your a gm saying "why wont u want to play with us were offering you the same money that san antonio,we have the same equal talent". im pretty sure if wallace wanted to go to boston he would of signed already and said screw everyone else.

[Trainwreck2100]

sheed wants major ass kissing before he signs

and the free dinners

[Cheeto]

I'll go out on a limb..

If Sheed goes to Boston, he will NEVER win another ring.

[Spursfan092120]

http://i40.tinypic.com/2dienox.jpg
:lmao:lmao:lmao
That's some serious shit right there.

[smrattler]

I think it's a great sign if Doc, KG, Ray Allen, Bill Russell, David Ortiz, Tom Brady, Will Hunting and the whole Boston area Irish Mafia went knocking on Sheed's door...

and Sheed still told them to "go chill with a bowl of Chowda! I'm gonna see about some Spurs."

[Man In Black]

Maybe he needs a few of these too!
http://www.zagat.com/img/buzz/20080918_philly_cheesesteak.jpg
A little hometown flavor works too.

[smrattler]

Maybe he needs a few of these too!
http://www.zagat.com/img/buzz/20080918_philly_cheesesteak.jpg
A little hometown flavor works too.


I don't know about him, but now I need a few of those.

Damn late night munchies...

[Buddy Holly]

Oh man, Youz Guys in Universal City makes the BEST Philly in a SA. Hands down. The owners move here from South Philly.

[buttsR4rebounding]

http://i40.tinypic.com/2dienox.jpg

I hope it's not a 2 day trip...I am volunteering to be the official collector of "Weed for Sheed". Let's do our part to put this over the top. All donations will go to Sheed, I promise...:hat

[angelbelow]

nice!

[DannyT]

http://i40.tinypic.com/2dienox.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_CSUPQ7EpU_4/SKkZq5OzVcI/AAAAAAAAafo/YxIhOblvriU/S1600-R/obama_carter_dope.gif


http://ndn2.newsweek.com/media/69/ARod_DOPE_poster_600px.jpg


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1V7wnZxPqok/RcsJRYe1iJI/AAAAAAAABd8/u2LoEX-_odE/s400/dope.jpg

[Jdspur20]

Maybe he needs a few of these too!
http://www.zagat.com/img/buzz/20080918_philly_cheesesteak.jpg
A little hometown flavor works too.

is that Malik rose' place?

[Fdawg07]

sheed wants major ass kissing before he signs


What if we offer him the MLE and a free lifetime supply of rogaine for that bald spot? He should want to sign with us from the start because he can relate to manu.

[Danny.Zhu]

San Antonio citizens please show some love to Rasheed in his trip...

[johngateswhiteley]

If the Spurs can sign Sheed, they could be the only team in the West that has a legit shot at perhaps giving those Lakers a battle.

wow...just wow. the lakers are the weakest champ in the last 35 years. they prayed on young mistake prone teams in the playoffs. a healthy celtics or spurs team, late in the playoffs would have waxed them.

...i just can't believe what people trick themselves into believing. what a joke. with Sheed, the Spurs pound the lakers, imo.

[rayray2k8]

wow...just wow. the lakers are the weakest champ in the last 35 years. they prayed on young mistake prone teams in the playoffs. a healthy celtics or spurs team, late in the playoffs would have waxed them.

...i just can't believe what people trick themselves into believing. what a joke. with Sheed, the Spurs pound the lakers, imo.

The laker hate is strong with this one...

[siraulo23]

What if we offer him the MLE and a free lifetime supply of rogaine for that bald spot? He should want to sign with us from the start because he can relate to manu.

hehe :lol

[kromediablo]

Lebron, Shaq, Sheed...sounds like the NBA 1st team All-Ego!!!

[Buddy Holly]

Oh man, Youz Guys in Universal City makes the BEST Philly in a SA. Hands down. The owners move here from South Philly.

[crc21209]

Just saw this from the InsideHoops.com forums :lol

Re: Sheed to Boston done deal?

"I just saw that Rasheed's agent said its 51/49 in favor of him signing with the Spurs over Boston."

"IF Boston loses out on sheed, they're expected to go after McDyess. Whoopy doo."

Don't know where this guy got that statement from but this guy is a C's fan.

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137790&page=8

[slayermin]

Pop just needs to call LB to give Sheed a nudge. Plus, I think the ACC connection between TD and Sheed is huge. I guess we will find out soon enough.

[Spurs Brazil]

That's good news.

I just hope he decides where he's going to play before Wednesday.

We may lose some other FA if we wait too much on him

[Grundle]

put it better words :rolleyes

sheed is saying he is no rush to sign with anyone because wants to look at other offers

dont you think that is kinda shady when your going to get the same amount of money in san antonio probably

hes coming to san antonio if pop and tim will show him around town no doubt hes much closer to them then ainge and garnett

Whoa! For a second there I thought you were gonna "put it better words :rolleyes".

[spurspokesman]

I hope it's not a 2 day trip...I am volunteering to be the official collector of "Weed for Sheed". Let's do our part to put this over the top. All donations will go to Sheed, I promise...:hat

Wow "The weed for Sheed":lmao

[Dro210]

maybe we should all welcome him at the airport and have his own parade with thousands of spurs fans down the riverwalk

i would defintly call in for that

I support this 100% and would be there and bring at least 20 other people.

I also support the "Weed for Sheed" movement



Maybe he needs a few of these too!
http://www.zagat.com/img/buzz/20080918_philly_cheesesteak.jpg
A little hometown flavor works too.

but damn... where is this at??? (and don't say Universal City, I got that... name of establishment please)

[Obstructed_View]

I actually hope the Spurs have already made an offer to someone else before Rasheed hits town. Letting him waste another three days of the negotiating period would be stupid unless the Spurs really think they're the frontrunner. Can they offer him two years with a team option for the third?

[Big Empty]

i support this 100% and would be there and bring at least 20 other people.

I also support the "weed for sheed" movement




but damn... Where is this at??? (and don't say universal city, i got that... Name of establishment please)+1

[DMX7]

http://i40.tinypic.com/2dienox.jpg

What is that? Lettuce for a salad? I think a few pounds of... lettuce would convince sheed to become a Spur.

[Obstructed_View]

but damn... where is this at??? (and don't say Universal City, I got that... name of establishment please)

Wouldn't that be from Malik's place on Bandera? Is it still open? The one at the quarry closed IIRC.

[Obstructed_View]

What is that? Lettuce for a salad? I think a few pounds of... lettuce would convince sheed to become a Spur.

"Gotta have your roughage."
- OV's Grandmother

[The_Game]

spurs don't deserve to get sheed...they have seemed to of made no real effort to give him reason to come to S.A.

boston have gone all out.

[zrinkill]

spurs don't deserve to get sheed...they have seemed to of made no real effort to give him reason to come to S.A.

boston have gone all out.

I sense great fear in you.

[The_Game]

I sense great fear in you.

Yeah really scared of a 35 year old, 40% jump shooter :lol

Sheed will improve your team as he is a big 6'10 guy who can rebound and play some defense..nowhere near as well as he should to be he will be soild. but he isn't going to be the difference maker inside...he will be good for maybe 10 and 7 if that. he better get that FG% up otherwise he won't be getting many minutes.

[bigfan]

Again, I bet this may have a little something to do with it:

http://www.mass.gov/?pageID=dorsubtopic&L=5&L0=Home&L1=Individuals+and+Families&L2=Personal+Income+Tax&L3=Current+Year+Tax+Information&L4=Guide+to+Personal+Income+Tax&sid=Ador

[urunobili]

Maybe he needs a few of these too!
http://www.zagat.com/img/buzz/20080918_philly_cheesesteak.jpg
A little hometown flavor works too.

That looks like a Philly Cheestake right there... :tu

[45 bank shot]

Yeah really scared of a 35 year old, 40% jump shooter :lol

Sheed will improve your team as he is a big 6'10 guy who can rebound and play some defense..nowhere near as well as he should to be he will be soild. but he isn't going to be the difference maker inside...he will be good for maybe 10 and 7 if that. he better get that FG% up otherwise he won't be getting many minutes.

don't worry bro, you can cry when the lakers got eliminated next year

[VivaPopovich]

it'd feel good to top the lakers again over their artest deal

[Solid D]

Wouldn't that be from Malik's place on Bandera? Is it still open? The one at the quarry closed IIRC.

No, it's no longer there.

[spurspokesman]

don't worry bro, you can cry when the lakers got eliminated next year

No Kobe will cry for him.

[Extra Stout]

So most likely between Sheed and Dice one goes to Boston, the other to San Antonio.

[Spursmania]

So most likely between Sheed and Dice one goes to Boston, the other to San Antonio.

:tu

[wildbill2u]

sheed wants major ass kissing before he signs

And some first class Tex-Mex #2 dinners on Pop. I wonder what wine Pop recommends with Tex-Mex.

[bigfan]

And some first class Tex-Mex #2 dinners on Pop. I wonder what wine Pop recommends with Tex-Mex.

Usually an eight-pak of Orange Tommys are good with puff tacos.

[Cheddz]

Spurs management needs to compile a list of articles from Boston Media and Boston fan sites showing Wallace how fast those pink-hatters turn on their players. Nomar, David Ortiz, Roger Clemens, Wade Boggs, etc...

They also need to offer three years of MLE if Boston's offering two, which is what I saw on the ticker last night.

[waly.mg]

FACT 1: David $tern hate the Spurs because we won Championships when he want the Lakers.
FACT 2: David $tern hate Wallace because he Talk with the Refs, and make Technicals Fouls
FACT 3: If we Sign Sheed Davit $tern will hate the Spurs x 2

[Mavs<Spurs]

So most likely between Sheed and Dice one goes to Boston, the other to San Antonio.

:chestbump


I could go for that !

ExtraStout, you made my day ! Thanks, bro !

[galvatron3000]

was it proven that Sheed was actually in SA last week?

[stxspurs]

yeah...we kicked it at my pad.

[Spurtacus]

Anyone drawing any significance to the fact that the C's management and players sent a contingent to Detroit, yet Wallace is willingly traveling to S.A.?

Interesting observation. :tu

[Buddy Holly]

boston have gone all out.

By caravanning to Detroit and looking d-e-s-p-e-r-a-t-e?

Sheed the guy who said he wasn't answering any 12:00 calls liked that five people from Boston fly to his house? :lol

And the fact they had to fly there instead of Rasheed going to them. :lmao

[rjv]

apparently he is coming to san antonio to tell us that he has already signed with boston. (according to mike and mike listeners).

[mudyez]

So most likely between Sheed and Dice one goes to Boston, the other to San Antonio.

not even sure who I want...Sheed may be the bigger name, but maybe Dyce has more left in the tank at this point (+ he hasnt won a ship yet)

[Obstructed_View]

spurs don't deserve to get sheed...they have seemed to of made no real effort to give him reason to come to S.A.

boston have gone all out.

The Celtics have gone all out because they have to convince Rasheed to play backup for the same money the Spurs are offering for him to start. Contrary to what 'sheed's agent says, the Spurs don't have to do anything but ask Rasheed for a commitment. The offer sells itself, which is why Boston had to work so hard.

[Obstructed_View]

Have you ever been to Cleveland? If you have you'd understand why he doesn't want to go there when he doesn't have to. That city makes Detroit look like Cancun.

:lol I thought the same thing. The Cavs have a better chance of signing people if they negotiate over the phone.

[Brazil]

Put an end to this torture ! Sheed goes to Orlando, San Antonio then boston. A guy on twitter: "I have a great feeling" then a thread. Sheed farts then a thread. A fan thinks a guy on a radio said Sheed signed for the Celts then a thread... It's so mean

[robert1886]

this whole situtation is weird.....the fact that sa hasnt made a push doesnt seem likely.....maybe rasheed made his mind up a long time ago that he would lk to be a spur...to me the spurs seem lk a better fit especially with all that crap in boston wanting to trade allen and rando

[benefactor]

The Celtics have gone all out because they have to convince Rasheed to play backup for the same money the Spurs are offering for him to start. Contrary to what 'sheed's agent says, the Spurs don't have to do anything but ask Rasheed for a commitment. The offer sells itself, which is why Boston had to work so hard.
This.

Everyone is in such an uproar about Boston going all out but the fact is that they had too. You are going to have to buy some nice rims and put a nice paint job on your Ford Taurus if it is going look good next to a Cadillac XLR.

[tmtcsc]

Hopefully it is early next week. Free agents can start signing on Wednesday . . .

Please let it rain or somewhat cool off. Hell, bring him in at night.

[Spurs9]

Have you ever been to Cleveland? If you have you'd understand why he doesn't want to go there when he doesn't have to. That city makes Detroit look like Cancun.
Really? I never really heard much about the city itself? Lots of crime?

[dbestpro]

Really? I never really heard much about the city itself? Lots of crime?

I've been to Cleveland and it actually is a pretty cool city. Anybody that rags on Cleveland probably has never spent a day north of Little Rock. I tell you one thing. I'd rather live in Cleveland than Dallas or LA. Too many wannabes and bad traffic.

[EricB]

Please let it rain or somewhat cool off. Hell, bring him in at night.

Rasheed expects hot.

he lives in Dallas.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Please let it rain or somewhat cool off. Hell, bring him in at night.

Supposed to rain late next week. Might be a good time then. Otherwise, it's going to stay at or above 100 degrees here for quite a while.

[Leftyventricle]

"Only if the Celtics or the Spurs land Rasheed Wallace" can the Lakers be stopped. - Skip Bayless on ESPN today.

[DDS4]

If I could get free meals and ass kissing for weeks, I'd take my time too.

[DPG21920]

Did anyone else read that the Spurs are not offering Sheed the full MLE? Or that they are hesitant to do so?

[benefactor]

Did anyone else read that the Spurs are not offering Sheed the full MLE? Or that they are hesitant to do so?
No...did you? Everything I have heard suggests they will.

[TheTruth]

Greet him with Pop,Duncan,Parker,Ginobili,Jefferson and the band.http://images.quickblogcast.com/28223-26784/Mariachis.JPG

Obviously not on the riverwalk. That water is WAY too blue... :toast

[DPG21920]

No...did you? Everything I have heard suggests they will.

Yes, I will try and find the link.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Did anyone else read that the Spurs are not offering Sheed the full MLE? Or that they are hesitant to do so?

I think I read that in a Rick Bucher report, but I think he was just speculating.

[DPG21920]

Oh, now I remember where I heard it. It was a Chris Broussard interview last night.

[z0sa]

I think I read that in a Rick Bucher report, but I think he was just speculating.

i think everyone is wishing with all their hearts that the spurs are stupid and did something to fuck up the ideal situation for Wallace: a spurs uniform.

[benefactor]

Oh, now I remember where I heard it. It was a Chris Broussard interview last night.
Meh...take Broussard with grain of salt. He is the one who said Gortat was coming to San Antonio at the same time Marc Stein said he was ready to sign with Dallas.

If the Spurs are not willing to offer him the MLE they might as well not even waste time with a meeting.

[clubalien]

wonder if wallace has canceled his trip after the officially signing with boston

[kobyz]

after Lakers get Artest the Spurs must get Rasheed if they want some of a chance for a title, Rasheed is very good fit against the Lakers matchup.

[Ditty]

Did anyone else read that the Spurs are not offering Sheed the full MLE? Or that they are hesitant to do so?

yah thats what i heard that the spurs offered gortat the whole MLE, while boston was dealing with sheed.but now gortat might go to dallas the spurs can change there whole focus to sheed.

[bishopospurs]

Cleveland isn't a bad city.... there is a 100 mile radius around Lebron where the streets turn to gold and midgets jump out and start spanking people with oversized lollipops.

I am sure Sheed is soaking this whole experience in, taking his time. This is the last time he will be the prettiest girl in the room. After this it is c section scars and bullet wounds, can't even give away a lap dance.

[TDMVPDPOY]

CIA POP should put sheed to the waterboard interrogation....

[Bruno]

Pop should be in France between July 5th and July 11th for a basketball camp organized by TP.
If Sheed comes to SA next week, I damn hope Pop will be there and not in France.

[timvp]

Pop should be in France between July 5th and July 11th for a basketball camp organized by TP.
If Sheed comes to SA next week, I damn hope Pop will be there and not in France.Damn, I forgot about that.

Pop definitely needs to cancel . . .

[clubalien]

I guess that could explain why rwallace was down here last week before FA started to meet pop. Even though pop is no longer the GM and so has nothing to do with FA, it still seems weird he would agree to be overseas during such a crucial time unless it was already a forgone fact who we have.

[Kindergarten Cop]

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60317/20090703/magic_contact_rasheeds_agent/

Magic Contact Rasheed's Agent

Jul 03, 2009 3:18 PM EST

The Magic have contacted free-agent forward Rasheed Wallace's agent.

Orlando general manager Otis Smith was in contact with agent Bill Strickland on Friday, according to the Orlando Sentinel.

Wallace doesn't have a plan to visit Orlando, but Smith said that "it was possible" at some point. The general manager believes that Wallace would be a nice "fit" alongside Dwight Howard, but said "it just depends on what Rasheed wants to do."

This makes me a bit nervous, because reports yesterday said that he had plans to visit San Antonio and Orlando - and this report is actually from the GM of the Magic saying that the visit wasn't planned but is possible. I'm hoping that the report yesterday wasn't completely false.

[Tully365]

Here's a question-- In the various Artest threads, he is being called a chucker by many posters. Artest, as a combo forward, shot 40.1 FG% last year and 39.9 3PT%. Rasheed, as a PF/C, shot 41.9 FG% and 35.4 3PT%. (Incidentally, Rasheed's FG% is lower than Michael Finley's). Would it be fair to say Rasheed is a chucker at this point in his career?

[coyotes_geek]

I guess that could explain why rwallace was down here last week before FA started to meet pop. Even though pop is no longer the GM and so has nothing to do with FA, it still seems weird he would agree to be overseas during such a crucial time unless it was already a forgone fact who we have.

If Rasheed and Pop met before free agency started it's tampering. You can't talk to another team's free agents before free agency starts.

[lefty]

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60317/20090703/magic_contact_rasheeds_agent/

Magic Contact Rasheed's Agent

Jul 03, 2009 3:18 PM EST

The Magic have contacted free-agent forward Rasheed Wallace's agent.

Orlando general manager Otis Smith was in contact with agent Bill Strickland on Friday, according to the Orlando Sentinel.

Wallace doesn't have a plan to visit Orlando, but Smith said that "it was possible" at some point. The general manager believes that Wallace would be a nice "fit" alongside Dwight Howard, but said "it just depends on what Rasheed wants to do."

This makes me a bit nervous, because reports yesterday said that he had plans to visit San Antonio and Orlando - and this report is actually from the GM of the Magic saying that the visit wasn't planned but is possible. I'm hoping that the report yesterday wasn't completely false.


Relax



You'll read 1000000 different things over the upcoming days

Rumors, BS, anything...

[Bruno]

Even though pop is no longer the GM and so has nothing to do with FA, it still seems weird he would agree to be overseas during such a crucial time unless it was already a forgone fact who we have.

Pop agreed to go in France for that basketball camp in April.

[Spurs Brazil]

Pop agreed to go in France for that basketball camp in April.

Maybe Pop will be in the camp for 2 or 3 days and not the whole week

[Russ]

(Incidentally, Rasheed's FG% is lower than Michael Finley's). Would it be fair to say Rasheed is a chucker at this point in his career?

If Sheed comes to SA . . .

And if Sheed gets a three year deal . . .

And if Sheed helps them win title No. 5 . . .

Spurs fans will still be calling for his miserable scalp in the third year of that deal, despite anything that he did before. :)

[Spurtacus]

Timmy needs to greet him with his four rings on.

[coyotes_geek]

Here's a question-- In the various Artest threads, he is being called a chucker by many posters. Artest, as a combo forward, shot 40.1 FG% last year and 39.9 3PT%. Rasheed, as a PF/C, shot 41.9 FG% and 35.4 3PT%. (Incidentally, Rasheed's FG% is lower than Michael Finley's). Would it be fair to say Rasheed is a chucker at this point in his career?

Sheed is a little too in love with his 3 pointer these days, but I wouldn't consider him a chucker. Damn near half his shots are from 3 and that skews his overall fg% alot. He was 48% on 2's.

[Do1mannn]

Boston showed there hand and panicked .... out of desperation they sent evreybody TO SHEEDS HOUSE lmao....... as always the Spurs are COOL under pressure..... "The sign of a Championship orginization" Sheed iz coming HERE!!! he is coming to visit US for the same $5.8 mle... Three reasons sheed iz a spur next week 1. "99 memorial day miracle "what team and what person? 2. 2003 game 5 playoff's what team what person? 3. Carolina connection what two people what two schools? Hey!! you never see a Rolls Royce comercial do you? You only see Comercials for cars everyone can buy, when your product sell's it self there iz no need to advertise I hope y'all understand why he iz coming here.............. oh and did I forget Pop !?!

[Tully365]

Sheed is a little too in love with his 3 pointer these days, but I wouldn't consider him a chucker. Damn near half his shots are from 3 and that skews his overall fg% alot. He was 48% on 2's.

NBA.com has his 2pt% at 47.1%. I don't consider him a chucker per se, but it was kind of shocking to see that his FG% was lower than Finley's. I think his infatuation with the 3 is also one of the reasons his offensive rebounding numbers are down too... he averaged 0.8 offensive rebounds a game last year. Bonner averaged 1.2 per game, and he played 8 fewer minutes per game.

[Mugen]

Timmy needs to greet him with his four rings on.

maybe just three. might not want to remind sheed about 05.

[lefty]

Report: Rasheed Wallace agent Bill Strickland thinks Boston Celtics would be a good fit

by The Republican Sports Desk Friday July 03, 2009, 2:53 PM



http://blog.masslive.com/sports_impact/2009/07/small_CELTICS%20TRAIL%20BLAZERS.jpgAssociated Press file photoRasheed Wallace ... charg .... er .... shoots over the Boston Celtics' Paul Pierce during a game when Sheed played for the Portland Trail Blazers. Comcast SportsNet's Gary Tanguay continues to stay on top of the Celts' courtship of Wallace, and on Friday he talked with agent Bill Strickland.

It's Fourth of July weekend, but National Basketball Association big man Rasheed Wallace may be closer to trading in the red, white and blue colors of the Detroit Pistons for a bit o' the Boston Celtics (http://www.masslive.com/celtics) green.
Comcast SportsNet's Gary Tanguay continues to stay right on top of the story of the Celtics' pursuit of Wallace, a 6-foot-11 power forward and newly minted free agent. He spoke on Friday with Sheed's agent, Bill Strickland, who had all sorts of very interesting things to say, the complete version of which you can access by clicking here (http://www.csnne.com/wickedgoodsports/wallace-agent-tells-tanguay-rasheed-would-be-great-fit-with-big-3/).
Meanwhile, the Boston Globe reported on Friday that Strickland said he and Wallace discussed contract terms (http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2009/07/03/celtics_offer_wallace_a_contract/) with the Celtics, but that Wallace is in no rush to sign.
Here are a few of the key points that Bill Strickland, the agent for Rasheed Wallace, made in the interview with Comcast SportsNet's Gary Tanguay (http://www.csnne.com/wickedgoodsports/wallace-agent-tells-tanguay-rasheed-would-be-great-fit-with-big-3/):


Danny Ainge wanted to show up on Rasheed's doorstep Wed. Night at midnight...which is when the free agent signing period began. Wallace told Danny that was not necessary so team green flew out Thursday instead.Unless Strickland's in some fantasy land, sounds like the C's were eager with a capital E-A-G-E-R to get to Wallace first. Talk about a lousy poker face. Strickland also told Tanguay:

The way Doc (Rivers, Celtics coach) handled the three egos of the big three has not gone unnoticed by Rasheed. Doc is well respected by players throughout the NBA.NBA fans should all be convinced that with the right players, Doc Rivers can get it done. Even after the loss of key 2008 championship contributors P.J. Brown and James Posey, Doc had the Celtics on the way to the NBA's best record and a likely rematch with the Lakers, and despite the loss of probably the biggest of the Big Three, he led the C's through a decent playoff run.
Now here's the statement Strickland made that Celtics fans might want to meditate on:

Despite his reputation in Boston Rasheed is an unselfish teammate and would fit great with the big three.If that's true, maybe Sheed, despite the fact that he'll be 35 when the 2009-10 season opens, might have a couple of years of rejuvenated effectiveness left in him. If the Celtics are really that serious about getting him, C's fans should all hope so.

[z0sa]

maybe just three. might not want to remind sheed about 05.

http://www.nba.com/media/spurs/elliott_miracle_200w.jpg

Ahem... maybe just two.

[Mugen]

Report: Rasheed Wallace agent Bill Strickland thinks Boston Celtics would be a good fit

by The Republican Sports Desk Friday July 03, 2009, 2:53 PM



http://blog.masslive.com/sports_impact/2009/07/small_CELTICS%20TRAIL%20BLAZERS.jpgAssociated Press file photoRasheed Wallace ... charg .... er .... shoots over the Boston Celtics' Paul Pierce during a game when Sheed played for the Portland Trail Blazers. Comcast SportsNet's Gary Tanguay continues to stay on top of the Celts' courtship of Wallace, and on Friday he talked with agent Bill Strickland.

It's Fourth of July weekend, but National Basketball Association big man Rasheed Wallace may be closer to trading in the red, white and blue colors of the Detroit Pistons for a bit o' the Boston Celtics (http://www.masslive.com/celtics) green.
Comcast SportsNet's Gary Tanguay continues to stay right on top of the story of the Celtics' pursuit of Wallace, a 6-foot-11 power forward and newly minted free agent. He spoke on Friday with Sheed's agent, Bill Strickland, who had all sorts of very interesting things to say, the complete version of which you can access by clicking here (http://www.csnne.com/wickedgoodsports/wallace-agent-tells-tanguay-rasheed-would-be-great-fit-with-big-3/).
Meanwhile, the Boston Globe reported on Friday that Strickland said he and Wallace discussed contract terms (http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2009/07/03/celtics_offer_wallace_a_contract/) with the Celtics, but that Wallace is in no rush to sign.
Here are a few of the key points that Bill Strickland, the agent for Rasheed Wallace, made in the interview with Comcast SportsNet's Gary Tanguay (http://www.csnne.com/wickedgoodsports/wallace-agent-tells-tanguay-rasheed-would-be-great-fit-with-big-3/):

Danny Ainge wanted to show up on Rasheed's doorstep Wed. Night at midnight...which is when the free agent signing period began. Wallace told Danny that was not necessary so team green flew out Thursday instead.Unless Strickland's in some fantasy land, sounds like the C's were eager with a capital E-A-G-E-R to get to Wallace first. Talk about a lousy poker face. Strickland also told Tanguay:
The way Doc (Rivers, Celtics coach) handled the three egos of the big three has not gone unnoticed by Rasheed. Doc is well respected by players throughout the NBA.NBA fans should all be convinced that with the right players, Doc Rivers can get it done. Even after the loss of key 2008 championship contributors P.J. Brown and James Posey, Doc had the Celtics on the way to the NBA's best record and a likely rematch with the Lakers, and despite the loss of probably the biggest of the Big Three, he led the C's through a decent playoff run.
Now here's the statement Strickland made that Celtics fans might want to meditate on:
Despite his reputation in Boston Rasheed is an unselfish teammate and would fit great with the big three.If that's true, maybe Sheed, despite the fact that he'll be 35 when the 2009-10 season opens, might have a couple of years of rejuvenated effectiveness left in him. If the Celtics are really that serious about getting him, C's fans should all hope so.

im pretty sure that ducks could have coached the Cs to a title as long as Thibodeau was the assistant.

[lefty]

im pretty sure that ducks could have coached the Cs to a title as long as Thibodeau was the assistant.
True to that

[VivaPopovich]

just read jeanie bus twitter, phil is coming back

that and the artest deal put together will hopefully be the tipping point to landing rasheed wallace

[lefty]

just read jeanie bus twitter, phil is coming back

that and the artest deal put together will hopefully be the tipping point to landing rasheed wallace
OMG :wow (sarcasm)




Seriously, Phil is an attention whore


Yawn

[bishopospurs]

would they really let Odom walk to get sheed? Wouldn't they need to? If I were a Lakers fan I would be sort of upset, obviously we want sheed, but LA really?

[DPG21920]

What does Artest have to do with landing Sheed?

[DPG21920]

would they really let Odom walk to get sheed? Wouldn't they need to? If I were a Lakers fan I would be sort of upset, obviously we want sheed, but LA really?

They could not sign Sheed if they sign Artest. The Lakers only have the MLE to spend and they are spending it all on Artest. Odom does not take any of the MLE to sign, so it would be Sheed or Artest, not both.

[lefty]

What does Artest have to do with landing Sheed?
Actually, they are both Ariza related

[Dr. Gonzo]

Racheed to Greek baskteball nightmare for NBA teams players. No basketball to Spurs or Rasheed Lakers to Artest.

[DPG21920]

Actually, they are both Ariza related

? The quote from above says something about Artest being the tipping point for signing Sheed.

[lefty]

? The quote from above says something about Artest being the tipping point for signing Sheed.
Ask Jefferson

[The_Game]

dice would be a better fit for the spurs really..surprised sheed is the number 1 target.

[DPG21920]

Ask Jefferson

No wonder Kori hates you :lol

[Sobe_Kucks]

Very true.:tu

I read it on the interwebs.:hat

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Russ]

just read jeanie bus twitter, phil is coming back

that and the artest deal put together will hopefully be the tipping point to landing rasheed wallace

Good, the Lakers can repeat their disfunctional '04 season with Karl Malone, Kobe Bryant, Gary Payton and Shaq.

I would leave well enough alone if I'm Buss (and I would leave Buss well enough alone if I'm Jackson).

[ploto]

Pop agreed to go in France for that basketball camp in April.

Who is he planning to see while he is in Europe?

[DPG21920]

Good, the Lakers can repeat their disfunctional '04 season with Karl Malone, Kobe Bryant, Gary Payton and Shaq.

I would leave well enough alone if I'm Buss (and I would leave Buss well enough alone if I'm Jackson).

The Lakers cannot land Rasheed if they get Artest. They are using the full MLE. Unless they work a S&T

[ploto]

Good, the Lakers can repeat their disfunctional '04 season with Karl Malone, Kobe Bryant, Gary Payton and Shaq.

Not really a good analogy. If Malone does not get hurt, they very well could have won the NBA Title that year.

[Ace9]

Woohoo! Good to see some progress getting made.

[z0sa]

Not really a good analogy. If Malone does not get hurt, they very well could have won the NBA Title that year.

I'm sorry, did you just laughably suggest Malone's injury is the reason LA didn't win in 2004?

You mean, the Malone that played all but 1 game of that playoff run?

Kobe and Shaq couldn't get along is what happened. I thought everyone knew this story.

[lefty]

No wonder Kori hates you :lol
:lol

[Bruno]

Who is he planning to see while he is in Europe?

It is a basketball camp for kids.

[lefty]

It is a basketball camp for kids.
Does that mean Shaq will be there?

[crc21209]

Report: Rasheed Wallace agent Bill Strickland thinks Boston Celtics would be a good fit

by The Republican Sports Desk Friday July 03, 2009, 2:53 PM



http://blog.masslive.com/sports_impact/2009/07/small_CELTICS%20TRAIL%20BLAZERS.jpgAssociated Press file photoRasheed Wallace ... charg .... er .... shoots over the Boston Celtics' Paul Pierce during a game when Sheed played for the Portland Trail Blazers. Comcast SportsNet's Gary Tanguay continues to stay on top of the Celts' courtship of Wallace, and on Friday he talked with agent Bill Strickland.

It's Fourth of July weekend, but National Basketball Association big man Rasheed Wallace may be closer to trading in the red, white and blue colors of the Detroit Pistons for a bit o' the Boston Celtics (http://www.masslive.com/celtics) green.
Comcast SportsNet's Gary Tanguay continues to stay right on top of the story of the Celtics' pursuit of Wallace, a 6-foot-11 power forward and newly minted free agent. He spoke on Friday with Sheed's agent, Bill Strickland, who had all sorts of very interesting things to say, the complete version of which you can access by clicking here (http://www.csnne.com/wickedgoodsports/wallace-agent-tells-tanguay-rasheed-would-be-great-fit-with-big-3/).
Meanwhile, the Boston Globe reported on Friday that Strickland said he and Wallace discussed contract terms (http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2009/07/03/celtics_offer_wallace_a_contract/) with the Celtics, but that Wallace is in no rush to sign.
Here are a few of the key points that Bill Strickland, the agent for Rasheed Wallace, made in the interview with Comcast SportsNet's Gary Tanguay (http://www.csnne.com/wickedgoodsports/wallace-agent-tells-tanguay-rasheed-would-be-great-fit-with-big-3/):


Danny Ainge wanted to show up on Rasheed's doorstep Wed. Night at midnight...which is when the free agent signing period began. Wallace told Danny that was not necessary so team green flew out Thursday instead.Unless Strickland's in some fantasy land, sounds like the C's were eager with a capital E-A-G-E-R to get to Wallace first. Talk about a lousy poker face. Strickland also told Tanguay:

The way Doc (Rivers, Celtics coach) handled the three egos of the big three has not gone unnoticed by Rasheed. Doc is well respected by players throughout the NBA.NBA fans should all be convinced that with the right players, Doc Rivers can get it done. Even after the loss of key 2008 championship contributors P.J. Brown and James Posey, Doc had the Celtics on the way to the NBA's best record and a likely rematch with the Lakers, and despite the loss of probably the biggest of the Big Three, he led the C's through a decent playoff run.
Now here's the statement Strickland made that Celtics fans might want to meditate on:

Despite his reputation in Boston Rasheed is an unselfish teammate and would fit great with the big three.If that's true, maybe Sheed, despite the fact that he'll be 35 when the 2009-10 season opens, might have a couple of years of rejuvenated effectiveness left in him. If the Celtics are really that serious about getting him, C's fans should all hope so.


Fuck Boston Sheed! Come to S.A.!

[lefty]

Sheed and the Spurs: Why It Works



If I was Tim Duncan, my personal pitch to Rasheed Wallace would start with a thank you.
As in, thanks for leaving Robert Horry open in 2005.
Surely a defender of your caliber intended that as an act of generosity.
We owe you one. A title, that is.
Want another? Come to the franchise that has lassoed four of them in the last 10 years.
I would also tell him how much I yearn for a fifth ring, and he could be the final piece that helps me secure it.
I would come alone, allowing the chance to play with Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, and Richard Jefferson under Gregg Popovich to speak for itself.
How can any pitch the Boston Celtics made, heartfelt as it may have been, top that?
Duncan would never tell another soul that he is the greatest to ever play at his position, so I will.
Someone has to do the dirty work.
The Spurs are courting Wallace—a player with a history of mood swings and on-court meltdowns, who averaged career lows in many categories last season—as free agency Plan A because they can make it work like few others can.
All of his suitors can offer the same mid-level deal. Money is not the dilemma.
Maybe Shaquille O'Neal could get Wallace to shut up and play in Cleveland, maybe not. Shaq is not a guy I want playing peacemaker in my locker room.
In the last year, O'Neal's PR gems have included asking Kobe Bryant how his ass tastes, calling Orlando Magic coach Stan Van Gundy the "master of panic" and trying to discredit Dwight Howard as any kind of "superman."
The Hall of Fame-bound center will say anything if it gets him the attention he craves. Duncan won't.
Maybe the 2008 champs—anchored by Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, and Ray Allen—could also convince Wallace to tame his wild ways.
They did make the Stephon Marbury acquisition work reasonably well.
The Spurs, however, would give Wallace the sure thing he needs.
A Popovich-led locker room is groomed and ready for such a mercurial talent. It has been since 2003, when Stephen Jackson walked away with his only championship ring and a newfound defensive prowess.
Many didn't see in 2002 how Jackson's flighty temper would work in such a professional locker room just as many don't see this working now.
Won't he rack up technical fouls and scream and pout his way into the Pop doghouse?
How about his dreadful 2009 playoff averages of six points and six rebounds?
Wallace may have drifted away and lost it on a baked Detroit Pistons squad close to missing the playoffs.
He will not screw up the chance to win a second ring alongside three potential Hall of Famers and a 29-year-old Jefferson.
Popovich holds a short leash for malcontents, and not even Wallace has enough bark to bite his way from its grasp.
With his size and length, he could help frustrate Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum as he did Duncan for so many years.
Their mutual respect goes back to their ACC days.
When 'Sheed channels his aggression the right way, the opponent pays for it.
He is a terrific spot up shooter from behind the arc, though not a high percentage one.
He can still score reliably in the post with a host of crafty spin moves and hook shots, despite what most saw in April.
Two years ago, in game one of the opening round against the Philadelphia 76ers, he blocked seven shots.
In Detroit, where a depleted front court necessitated his producing like an All-Star, he looked every bit of 34 years.
At times, his days in Portland seemed decades ago.
With proper support and motivation, Wallace's many remaining talents could shine.
San Antonio's system promises to give him one hell of a fog lamp.
GM R.C. Buford has previously pursued J.R. Smith and Ron Artest.
This time, they don't want a rain check. They want the kind of commitment they are ready to give him.
Such as, the starting role, which would allow niche center Matt Bonner to score as a reserve, or a chance to beat the Los Angeles Lakers again.
In a surprising move to some, Spurs Owner Peter Holt has OK'd the team's ascent into luxury tax territory.
The Jefferson heist does not signal a coming trade of Parker or Ginobili. The Spurs are paying up to pry open Duncan's championship window. Wallace—and perhaps free agent forwards Drew Gooden and Fabricio Oberto at bargain prices—represent the final pieces of what could be the most talented squad in franchise history.
No athlete deserves another title as much as Duncan. Dealing for Jefferson left a huge hole on the team's frontline.
Wallace, whacky as he can be, would fit just as a sized championship ring does.
We owe you one, Duncan should say.
The first step to collecting your dues is signing on this dotted line.
'Sheed and the Spurs an odd couple?
This time, it works.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/211495-sheed-and-the-spurs-why-it-works

[DPG21920]

Offseason is a b*tch.

[bbarry]

i'm gonna be dis-a-point-ed if sheed doesn't sign with the spurs. you fuckers get my hopes up.

[lefty]

Oh, and I found........from www.boston.com

Fucking homers :rolleyes


and the Celtics believe they have an advantage because of the forward’s relationship with Garnett and the team’s good chance to compete for a championship.

:lmao

I'm pretty sure he's closer to Timmy than he is with Garnette

[lefty]

Recently posted on www.thedreamshake.com (http://www.thedreamshake.com) :D


San Antonio traded for Richard Jefferson (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21550/Richard_Jefferson), and then somehow found DeJuan Blair (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/71936/DeJuan_Blair) in the second round of the NBA draft. Rumor has it that they could be the frontrunners in the Rasheed Wallace (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21695/Rasheed_Wallace) sweepstakes.

[ploto]

It is a basketball camp for kids.

You missed the references completely.

Of course, Pop knew when he agreed to do this that it fell during the beginning of the FA period. Like how Pop just happened to agree to be in Serbia on July 1, 2003 or in Argentina in 2005.

[Obstructed_View]

dice would be a better fit for the spurs really..surprised sheed is the number 1 target.

What has the team said to convince you that he is?

[DPG21920]

Did not see posted:

BOSTON -- The Boston Celtics made their pitch to Rasheed Wallace on Thursday. And Wallace was receptive.

A contingent from the Celtics organization -- including owner Wyc Grousbeck, President Danny Ainge, head coach Doc Rivers and All-Stars Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen -- descended on Wallace's suburban Michigan home on Thursday for a three-hour meeting with the free-agent forward.

"Solid, thorough, cogent and very impressive," Wallace's agent, Bill Strickland, told SI.com about Boston's recruiting trip. "[They] definitely gave Rasheed and his wife something to think about."

During the course of the meeting the Celtics offered Wallace a contract using their entire mid-level exception. It is unclear how many years Boston offered Wallace, who will be 35 at the start of next season.

Multiple league executives believe Wallace is deciding between Boston and San Antonio. Both the Celtics and Spurs can offer Wallace the full mid-level exception ($5.6 million). With Ron Artest agreeing to terms with the Lakers and Trevor Ariza agreeing to a deal with Houston on Thursday, league sources expect Cleveland to make a late push for Wallace's services. Orlando, should they choose not to re-sign restricted free agent Marcin Gortat, is also a possibility.

However, Boston and San Antonio stand as the strongest candidates. The Celtics can offer Wallace a chance to stay in the Eastern Conference as well as the opportunity to play with Garnett, who is a close friend. San Antonio, which traded forwards Fabricio Oberto and Kurt Thomas last month in the deal for Richard Jefferson, can offer Wallace a starters role. Boston's interest in Wallace is believed to be as a backup.

Wallace has given no indication as to when he will make a decision.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/chris_mannix/07/02/Celtics.Wallace/index.html

[Blackjack]

Chris Mannix was on 760 a couple of hours ago and stated that the Wallace sweepstakes is a two horse race, and that those in the know believe the Spurs are the front-runners. They believe Wallace's preference is to land with the Spurs and that they are in the driver's seat, as of this moment.

He did reiterate what his agent had to say about how impressed Wallace and his wife were with Boston's visit, but that they would take their time and weight their options before making a decision. He also went on to mention most of what he had to say in his article that DPG posted, but it doesn't seem to be the forgone conclusion ESPN and people of their ilk having trying to push down our collective throats.

[raspsa]

I'm hoping the long history between TD and Sheed sways the latter to come to SA. Ar rhis point in his carreer, Sheed is probably intrigued with the idea of having TD as a teammate. TD's personality complement's Shed 's better than Garnett's IMO.

[DPG21920]

It will come down to years offered. I think 3 should do it, but will the Spurs want to offer that? If the Spurs offer 3 year MLE, then I believe they have a very good shot.

[xtremesteven33]

Chris Mannix was on 760 a couple of hours ago and stated that the Wallace sweepstakes is a two horse race, and that those in the know believe the Spurs are the front-runners. They believe Wallace's preference is to land with the Spurs and that they are in the driver's seat, as of this moment.

He did reiterate what his agent had to say about how impressed Wallace and his wife were with Boston's visit, but that they would take their time and weight their options before making a decision. He also went on to mention most of what he had to say in his article that DPG posted, but it doesn't seem to be the forgone conclusion ESPN and people of their ilk having trying to push down our collective throats.


thanks for the update :tu

My guess is that Sheed is trying to get a 3 year deal out of the Spurs.

[Blackjack]

It will come down to years offered. I think 3 should do it, but will the Spurs want to offer that? If the Spurs offer 3 year MLE, then I believe they have a very good shot.

Maybe, maybe not?

Mannix seemed to suggest that the feedback he was getting was that the Spurs were actually 'Sheed's preference all along and that the reason for the full-out courtship on Boston's part, was due in big part because they also believe the same thing.

Who knows? It's all endless speculation at this point.

The fact that it's realistically a two horse race and that 'Sheed is actually making a visit to S.A., at least gives me a little more hope that the Spurs can find a way to seal the deal.

[Spursfan092120]

thanks for the update :tu

My guess is that Sheed is trying to get a 3 year deal out of the Spurs.
Give it to him...in 3 years, he STILL won't be as bad as Bonner.

[rayray2k8]

There is no point in checking up on this every hour.
By Wednesday he should be be indicating where he might land.

[picnroll]

You'd think that the Spurs and Pop have wanted Sheed forever, dating back to when Portland traded him to Atlanta, would count for something to Sheed.

[Obstructed_View]

Reading between the lines, it sounds like Rasheed's agent is talking up Boston to try to drag another year out of the Spurs. They could probably give him two with a starting job and he'd take it. Can they do a team option third year with the MLE?

[DPG21920]

Reading between the lines, it sounds like Rasheed's agent is talking up Boston to try to drag another year out of the Spurs. They could probably give him two with a starting job and he'd take it. Can they do a team option third year with the MLE?

50. What are option clauses? What kind of option clauses are there?
An option clause allows a contract to be extended for one additional season after the date it is scheduled to end. For example, a five-year contract with an option for the sixth year means that if the option is exercised, then the contract extends through the sixth season, but if the option is not exercised, then the contract ends after the fifth season. Options must be exercised by the July 1 that precedes the option year, except player options for players who would become restricted free agents, which must be exercised by June 25. Once exercised, an option cannot be revoked (for example, a player cannot invoke an option on June 20th and change his mind on June 25th). Conditional options are not allowed -- the existence of the option may not be contingent on some condition, such as the number of games the team wins or the points per game the player scores.

There are three types of options:

Team Options give the team the right to invoke the option year. There can be only one option year (except in the case of rookie scale contracts), and the option year can't be for a lower salary than the previous season.
Player Options give the player the right to invoke the option year. There can be only one option year, and the option year can't be for a lower salary than the previous season.
Player Early Termination Options (ETOs) give the player the right to terminate the contract early. An ETO can't occur prior to the end of the fourth season of the contract (which implies that the contract must be for at least five seasons).
A contract may not contain more than one option in the same season (for example, the last season cannot contain both a player option and a team option). A six year contract may contain an ETO following the fourth season and an option (either player or team) following the fifth season.

Rookie "scale" contracts for first round draft picks contain team options for the third and fourth seasons (team options for the third season exist only for players drafted in 2005 or later), which must be exercised by October 31 of the prior season No other options are permitted in rookie scale contracts. See question number 41 for more information.

Here's a summary of the differences between an option and an ETO:

Options can occur only when one season remains on the contract, while ETOs can occur when two seasons remain if the contract is for six seasons.
Options can be included in any multiyear contract, but ETOs are allowed only with five or six year contracts.
Options can be held by the player or the team, but ETOs are always held by the player (i.e., there's no such thing as a team Early Termination Option).
Option years may not have a lower salary than the previous season. ETOs have no such restriction.
A contract with a player option can be extended when the option is not exercised. A contract with an ETO may not be extended if the ETO is exercised.
There is an interesting twist regarding player options. What happens if the team waives the player before he invokes his player option? Can the player invoke the option after he is waived, thus guaranteeing his salary for the option year? To head off this situation, all contracts with player options must indicate whether the player receives his salary for the option year in the event the contract is terminated.

Player options were previously used as a way to give the player more money. A long-term deal was agreed upon with a player option after the player obtained Larry Bird rights. The player invoked the option, became a free agent, and then the team & player signed a new contract for more money using the Bird exception. However, since the current CBA prevents ETOs before the end of the fourth year or more than one option year, the usefulness of this tool is now very limited.

[DPG21920]

So yes OV, they can.

[Blackjack]

Reading between the lines, it sounds like Rasheed's agent is talking up Boston to try to drag another year out of the Spurs. They could probably give him two with a starting job and he'd take it. Can they do a team option third year with the MLE?

That's pretty much what I've gathered.:tu

I don't claim to be an expert on contractual situations but I don't see why they couldn't if 'Sheed agreed to it.

If the Spurs view 'Sheed as someone they need to compete for a title over the next 2 years, the third year shouldn't be all that big of a problem. The Spurs and R.C. aren't a little bit pregnant with the salaries they've taken on, so you might as well go ahead and admit that the baby's on the way.

Like I said in another thread, worse comes to worst? You've got around a 6M dollar expiring contract in year 3, and as we've seen with the R.J. trade, that can be an asset.

[Obstructed_View]

So yes OV, they can.

Thank you. I did read through all that, but was kind of scratching my head. I SUCK at anything salary related, mostly because it bores me to tears, but also because it's hard to keep track of.

If the Spurs are going to go ahead and dive in for the whole fucking MLE with Rasheed, then that's how they should do it. If he pisses about the length of the contract, they can ask him how much he enjoys the idea of backing up Davis and Garnett. Rasheed may not like attention, but there's no doubt he'd rather be a starter.

[CGD]

The Spurs are (correctly) pushing back on the 3rd year. If I'm Sheed's agent I scoff at a 3rd year team option because I know the Spurs are highly unlikely to pick it up.

I think a reasonable compromise is a 3rd year player option at less than the full MLE. This gives Sheed "free" money for that 3rd year, and provides the Spurs some flexibility during the same.

[Blackjack]

Aldridge: Sheed Will Visit SA, Orlando


From NBA.com’s David Aldridge (via 3QC):

Boston lead owner Wyc Grousbeck, general manager Danny Ainge, head coach Doc Rivers, Garnett, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce all went to Detroit on Thursday to formally present Wallace with an offer for the full mid-level exception. But they left town without Wallace agreeing to a deal. Wallace will visit San Antonio and Orlando next week, according to a source, before making up his mind. Wallace is not likely to visit Cleveland.

Aldridge forgot to include the ghost of Red Auerbach, who visited Wallace in a dream last week. Either way, the Spurs are still going to get a shot to convince Sheed to join the team. At this point, I don’t think Boston, Orlando or S.A. is in a position to offer more than the full MLE. It all comes down to two questions: Which team he believes has the best chance of winning a title and which coach and players he would prefer play with.


What’s interesting about the “Sheed-stakes” is how ouroboric the media has been. The Boston Celtics have pursued Wallace in a highly public manner and the media have reported that pursuit in great detail. Then, when conducting news analysis, many have said, “all we hear about is how badly Boston wants Sheed, that must be where he is going.”

Personally, I prefer the considerably quieter manner in which the Spurs pursue free agents. I think public pursuits of players oftentimes make teams look either silly or desperate (often both). It creates media buzz that, in all likelihood, the player is not responding to. And it makes your franchise look impotent if it throws tons of energy into an FA and is still unable to reel him in.

If you conduct your pursuit quietly, you not only save face if you don’t get the guy but you don’t alert other free agents to the fact that they are playing second fiddle. Also, by not bombarding the free agent with undue media attention and excessive personal visits, you respect his decision-making process.

For purely superstitious reasons, I believe the Spurs are going to land Rasheed Wallace. I experienced a sign. A couple of days ago, a package from my mother arrived at my front door. When I opened it, I found a framed painting by Joel Kimmel. I immediately called my mother.

“Thank you, Mom. But why did you send this to me?”

“Joel sent it to me as a gift, so I figured I’d frame it and give it to you. Who is it?”

“It’s Rasheed Wallace.”

http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/07/03/aldridge-sheed-will-visit-sa-orlando/#more-3499

[Ice009]

Pop should be in France between July 5th and July 11th for a basketball camp organized by TP.
If Sheed comes to SA next week, I damn hope Pop will be there and not in France.

Shit. What is Pop doing???????????


Hmmmmmmmmmm could that Sheed siting in SA be true then and he talked to Pop earlier or maybe just Tim since Pop is not allowed to because he knew he was going to be in France?

[Blackjack]

Shit. What is Pop doing???????????


Hmmmmmmmmmm could that Sheed siting in SA be true then and he talked to Pop earlier or maybe just Tim since Pop is not allowed to because he knew he was going to be in France?

I have a hard time believing 'Sheed was actually here but if he was, Tim was supposedly out of town.

Before the "Bigsheed" sighting, R.C. was interviewed on 760 and mentioned that the big fella' wasn't in town at the moment..

[EricB]

What is he doing?

Fullfilling a prior obligation.

Its aMLE

Theres nothing to sell. YOu either come or you don't.

[EricB]

I have a hard time believing 'Sheed was actually here but if he was, Tim was supposedly out of town.

Before the "Bigsheed" sighting, R.C. was interviewed on 760 and mentioned that the big fella' wasn't in town at the moment..

If he says he was there would be tampering concerns.

:lol What do you think he's gonna say.

[Blackjack]

If he says he was there would be tampering concerns.

:lol What do you think he's gonna say.

It could've been some really great pre-planned C.I.A. shit, but it was mentioned in passing when R.C. was asked about how Tim was doing health-wise, and what the team had him doing.

Like I said, it was before the hysteria of Bigsheed sightings, so it just might of been legit. (Is it a blessing or a curse that my favorite sports team makes me feel I need a degree in espionage?:lol)

[SonOfAGun]

Something I just thought of,

Hasn't Sheed made numerous negative comments about San Antonio and how "surely the league wouldn't go against its golden boys" or something like that. Basically saying the Spurs are the angels of the league and treated nicely because of it?

I only remember one statement he made about Boston on how (only) the media knew BOS would win or something.

[Blackjack]

What is he doing?

Fullfilling a prior obligation.

Its aMLE

Theres nothing to sell. YOu either come or you don't.

His agent is obviously trying to gain some leverage by making visits to teams that aren't really in the picture

By most accounts it's a two horse race, but the agent is making a point of saying Orlando and Dallas are now somehow in the equation.

Maybe Cleveland's a legit possibility to go along with the aforementioned Spurs and Celtics, but the guy's trying to get his client more cash by drumming up enough interest to get a team to commit to 'Sheed for an extra year.

[Buddy Holly]

Before the "Bigsheed" sighting, R.C. was interviewed on 760 and mentioned that the big fella' wasn't in town at the moment..

I believe he was at Pop's daughters wedding in Maine.

[Russ]

Shit. What is Pop doing???????????

In Europe pursuing Splitter?

[ploto]

I remember way back when the Spurs could have traded for Rasheed and turned it down.

[coopdogg3]

I think high-publicity campaigns to court free agents works really well. Look at Houston, their GM had fans Twitter Gortat asking him to come - and he got the whole city involved.

And then Gortat went to Dallas ...

Never mind.

[tmtcsc]

I remember way back when the Spurs could have traded for Rasheed and turned it down.

Really ? Who was involved ?

[crc21209]

Aldridge: Sheed Will Visit SA, Orlando


From NBA.com’s David Aldridge (via 3QC):

Boston lead owner Wyc Grousbeck, general manager Danny Ainge, head coach Doc Rivers, Garnett, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce all went to Detroit on Thursday to formally present Wallace with an offer for the full mid-level exception. But they left town without Wallace agreeing to a deal. Wallace will visit San Antonio and Orlando next week, according to a source, before making up his mind. Wallace is not likely to visit Cleveland.

Aldridge forgot to include the ghost of Red Auerbach, who visited Wallace in a dream last week. Either way, the Spurs are still going to get a shot to convince Sheed to join the team. At this point, I don’t think Boston, Orlando or S.A. is in a position to offer more than the full MLE. It all comes down to two questions: Which team he believes has the best chance of winning a title and which coach and players he would prefer play with.


What’s interesting about the “Sheed-stakes” is how ouroboric the media has been. The Boston Celtics have pursued Wallace in a highly public manner and the media have reported that pursuit in great detail. Then, when conducting news analysis, many have said, “all we hear about is how badly Boston wants Sheed, that must be where he is going.”

Personally, I prefer the considerably quieter manner in which the Spurs pursue free agents. I think public pursuits of players oftentimes make teams look either silly or desperate (often both). It creates media buzz that, in all likelihood, the player is not responding to. And it makes your franchise look impotent if it throws tons of energy into an FA and is still unable to reel him in.

If you conduct your pursuit quietly, you not only save face if you don’t get the guy but you don’t alert other free agents to the fact that they are playing second fiddle. Also, by not bombarding the free agent with undue media attention and excessive personal visits, you respect his decision-making process.

For purely superstitious reasons, I believe the Spurs are going to land Rasheed Wallace. I experienced a sign. A couple of days ago, a package from my mother arrived at my front door. When I opened it, I found a framed painting by Joel Kimmel. I immediately called my mother.

“Thank you, Mom. But why did you send this to me?”

“Joel sent it to me as a gift, so I figured I’d frame it and give it to you. Who is it?”

“It’s Rasheed Wallace.”

http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/07/03/aldridge-sheed-will-visit-sa-orlando/#more-3499


Good article. :tu. Now get your ass in silver & black Sheed! :ihit

[Blackjack]

I believe he was at Pop's daughters wedding in Maine.

I think someone asked R.C. if that's where he was, but he didn't really think that was the case.

It sounded like T.D. was out chillin' on an island..

[duncan228]

The national view.

Wallace gets Boston VIP treatment (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/Wallace_gets_Boston_VIP_treatment.html)

The Boston Celtics have offered forward Rasheed Wallace a contract as part of a major push to land the coveted forward, according to a published report on Friday.

The Boston Globe reported that the Celtics offered Wallace a deal during a three-hour meeting in Detroit on Thursday. Celtics stars Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce joined general manager Danny Ainge and managing partner Wyc Grousbeck at the meeting.

Wallace’s agent, Bill Strickland, told the Globe in a text message that it was a “very good meeting; some contractual terms discussed, nothing agreed to.”

He also said Wallace will be meeting with other teams next week. The Charlotte Bobcats, Cleveland Cavaliers, Orlando Magic and the Spurs are said to be possible suitors.

The 35-year-old Wallace can play the low post and also has exceptional shooting range. He averaged 12 points per game for Detroit last year, before falling to 6.5 points per game in the first round of the playoffs as Detroit was swept in four games by Cleveland.

Wallace earned $13.68 million last season as he finished a five-year contract with Detroit. Teams pursuing Wallace now would be offering the midlevel exception, worth between $5.6 million and $5.8 million.

Wallace, a starter most of his career, would likely play a complementary role in Boston. The Celtics are hoping they can lure him by offering a shot at a title. Wallace is also close to Garnett.

[Spurs Brazil]

In other news of free agents not to be, a league source said the Cavs have not yet contacted free-agent big man Rasheed Wallace. The Boston Celtics are making a hard push for him, and he is reportedly going to visit the Orlando Magic and San Antonio Spurs next week.

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2009/07/even_with_lebron_and_shaq_cava.html

[DBMethos]

If Rasheed is talking about a multiyear deal, no way in hell he signs with the Cavs.

[Russ]

The Spurs' generous treatment of Rasheed's Pistons during the '05 NBA Finals may help their recruitment of Rasheed now. As I recall, the Spurs were extremely cooperative and gracious in their allowing Detroit to use Spurs' amenities (including perhaps even their practice facility) during the gruelling seven game marathon. Detroit, for its part, was also extremely cooperative during the Spurs' long stay there.

Pop and Larry Brown's friendship, by all accounts, had much to do with this. Those two often had dinner together on the series' off nights.

Detroit and Boston, on the other hand, seemed to be at each other's throats like cats and dogs a couple years ago as they vied for supremacy in the East. And its hard to imagine Danny Ainge going out of his way to make an opponent feel welcome at key times of any rivalry.

Not that any of this will be a determining factor, but Sheed does seem like an emotional guy who probably makes choices, in part, based upon his "feel" for a situation. The classy way the Spurs treated his Pistons may be in the back of his mind when he makes his decision.

So the Spurs' approach to the '05 Finals could help.

[ploto]

Rasheed Wallace now gets to sit back and sift

Sift offers. Sift possibilities.

The Celtics hit the 35-year-old free agent with a Big Three press on Thursday, showering him with everything from the camaraderie of Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen to the usual pitch about Celtics history.

“Oh yes, we heard about that,” said Wallace’s agent, Bill Strickland. “He’s well-aware of that. He (played at) North Carolina, so that kind of thing matters to him.”

Something else in the Celts’ pitch, however, caught Wallace’s ear.

“One thing I liked that Danny (Ainge, executive director of basketball operations) said (Thursday) is that if they sign Rasheed, that won’t stop him from adding further to the team, because they are committed to winning,” Strickland said.

That’s important, because nothing truly matters to Wallace beyond the best chance to win one, and maybe two, more rings. That’s the reason he decided against retirement last month.

Strickland said he will start meeting with the rest of Wallace’s pursuers next week, including Orlando, Dallas and San Antonio. He said that Cleveland general manager Danny Ferry has not made a call, though the Cavs could make a late appearance. They still have the necessary currency - a mid-level exception.

All are expected to offer that same $5.8 million slot to Wallace - the Celtics did Thursday - so money is unlikely to be the issue.

Neither will contract length. Wallace doesn’t plan to play much longer.

“He could retire right now and be happy,” Strickland said. “But that’s something we’ve already dealt with. He said, ‘I want to play more and go for another ring.’ ”

With a healthy Garnett, the Celts can make as good an argument for that chance as any team in the league.

“That’s one of the criteria,” Strickland said. “I had to call people from other teams (Thursday) to say thanks, but no, because they didn’t offer the same chance.

“The goal is pursuit of a ring. Money is always important, and there are actually a couple of scenarios where he would be able to get above the mid-level through something like a sign-and-trade. But the probability of that happening is not high. There are some ways to sweeten the situation, but generally speaking it will be the same money from everyone.”

Though teams were under the impression Wallace would take his time with the decision, Strickland said yesterday the choice will be made once the interviews are completed.

And, according to Strickland, the Celtics left a great impression.

“I think it was important for one of the owners to be there,” Strickland said of C’s co-owner Wyc Grousbeck, who joined the Big Three, Ainge and coach Doc Rivers at Thursday’s meeting. “Sheed and his wife (Fatima) thought that was a very classy thing to do.

“Sheed obviously has a great relationship with KG, and he also has come to know Paul and Ray over the years. They did a very thorough job - a nice presentation. Rasheed and his wife got to sit back and take things in. I think it went very well.

“Give Danny and Boston credit. They called me about setting up a meeting at midnight (after Tuesday’s deadline), but Rasheed didn’t want that. But I think they showed us how serious they are.”

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view/20090704sheed_mulls_celtics_offer_ball_in_his_cour t/srvc=home&position=also

[exstatic]

To me, Boston's effort smacked of desperation. Their three top stars are all over 30. I don't think the currently composed team has a future. If they don't win it THIS YEAR, they may be done.

[Spurs9]

Detroit and Boston, on the other hand, seemed to be at each other's throats like cats and dogs a couple years ago as they vied for supremacy in the East. And its hard to imagine Danny Ainge going out of his way to make an opponent feel welcome at key times of any rivalry.


Does that really matter? Look at the Lakers Rocket series, where is Artest now? :lmao

[thOOdee]

To me, Boston's effort smacked of desperation. Their three top stars are all over 30. I don't think the currently composed team has a future. If they don't win it THIS YEAR, they may be done.

good point. i would def. think that would play a part in his decision. I am sure wallace is looking at playing at least 2 years 2 try to get that ring.

[Russ]

Does that really matter? Look at the Lakers Rocket series, where is Artest now? :lmao

The point is, I think R. Wallace is a rather sensitive soul.

Artest is just a psycho.

So, yeah, you're right -- in that situation the fact that Artest and Kobe fought likely actually helped get him to the Lakers. :lol:lol:lol

[Russ]

To me, Boston's effort smacked of desperation. Their three top stars are all over 30. I don't think the currently composed team has a future. If they don't win it THIS YEAR, they may be done.

That kind of desperation reminds me of Pop's hopeless flight to Detroit in the summer of 2000 to try to get Grant Hill to come to SA (rather than Orlando). The Spurs were also a team with one title a year earlier who were seen as old and declining.

Pop's pilgrimage was truly pathetic and had no chance of success.

The real motivation, of course, was to try to keep Duncan from following Hill to Orlando.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Good to know the length of the contract isn't a big problem.
So now we're just waiting on what team he thinks he can win with.

[antimvp]

2yearsx8million and he's ours.

[Obstructed_View]

2yearsx8million and he's ours.

They could just offer him a jillion dollars. I bet he'd sign for a jillion.

[TDMVPDPOY]

sheed has made up his decision, signin with the spurs 17M/3YRS

I will post up the link

/thread.

[Spurs9]

sheed has made up his decision, signin with the spurs 17M/3YRS

I will post up the link

/thread.
.....r iiiiiiight

[Kindergarten Cop]

sheed has made up his decision, signin with the spurs 17M/3YRS

I will post up the link

/thread.

Not cool.:nope

[gaKNOW!blee]

sheed has made up his decision, signin with the spurs 17M/3YRS

I will post up the link

/thread.

:ban:

[TDMVPDPOY]

:ban:

behind a proxy, unbannable!!!! :flag:

[spurs50_]

If Mahninimi makes to the court this year, and I think he will (knock on wood) is he expected to backup Tim or play alongside him. I think he will surprise us, didn't he score 16 in garbage time about two years ago? thanks

[Spurs Brazil]

All are expected to offer that same $5.8 million slot to Wallace - the Celtics did Thursday - so money is unlikely to be the issue.

Neither will contract length. Wallace doesn’t plan to play much longer.


I think we can also offer the same as Boston, a 2 year contract, but I think we have some advantage because in San Antonio he knows he'll start and finish games.

[TDMVPDPOY]

If Mahninimi makes to the court this year, and I think he will (knock on wood) is he expected to backup Tim or play alongside him. I think he will surprise us, didn't he score 16 in garbage time about two years ago? thanks

thats if he recovers from his fragile injuries....

[loveforthegame]

What other ways can they sweeten the deal if it's not about money and length of contract?

[hater]

What other ways can they sweeten the deal if it's not about money and length of contract?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/129/371559913_f57b2e8c12_o.jpg

[Steve-O-Matic]

What other ways can they sweeten the deal if it's not about money and length of contract?

We can ask Tony Parker to do a wife swap with 'Sheed for one night a year.

[loveforthegame]

:lol

I knew better than to ask.

[TDMVPDPOY]

What other ways can they sweeten the deal if it's not about money and length of contract?

There was a photochopped picture of pop drinkin fine wine with 2 hoes....someone should use that to tempt rasheed...we got grass, wine, hoes...:flag:

[DynastyBuilder]

Well Massachusetts (http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4543) is slightly friendlier in marijuana legislation than Texas (http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4566), but Texas has the no state income tax going for it... push?

[TDMVPDPOY]

Well Massachusetts (http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4543) is slightly friendlier in marijuana legislation than Texas (http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4566), but Texas has the no state income tax going for it... push?

doesnt make a difference he still has to pay income tax in other states for away games....

[Kindergarten Cop]

doesnt make a difference he still has to pay income tax in other states for away games....

He would still have less than 30% of his regular season games that would actually be subject to state income taxes though, so that's fairly significant.

[Frenzy]

There was a photochopped picture of pop drinkin fine wine with 2 hoes....someone should use that to tempt rasheed...we got grass, wine, hoes...:flag:

yeah but every place has that...how about we closer to mexico... for easier grass wine and hoes :lol

[kbrury]

Plus living in texas for a couple years would be relatively cheaper then anywhere else especially in SA.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Plus living in texas for a couple years would be relatively cheaper then anywhere else especially in SA.

I thought that somebody already stated that he actually lives in Texas (Dallas, I believe). Is this true?

[kbrury]

yeah EricB said he lives in Dallas so even more of a reason to go to San Antonio.

[lefty]

Spurs Hire Dream GM

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2009/7/4/937310/spurs-hire-dream-gm


http://cdn1.sbnation.com/profile_images/88938/ats_big_tiny.jpg by AusTechSpur (http://www.poundingtherock.com/users/AusTechSpur) on Jul 4, 2009 9:31 AM CDT (http://www.poundingtherock.com/2009/7/4/937310/spurs-hire-dream-gm) http://cdn3.sbnation.com/images/icons/comment.v1599.png 9 comments
You know, I was thinking the other day that maybe the Spurs (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/SAN) COULD hire some random web site writer to be their GM just like Bill Simmons has been lobbying. Of course, if they did their research, they would immediately rule out Simmons for being a dumb ass based on his (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/090522/part2&sportCat=nba) "We'll give you Foye, our No. 6 pick and Brian Cardinal (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21740/Brian_Cardinal)'s 2010 expiring contract for Parker."

Let's see, the Wolves turned Foye and Miller into a #5 pick and some expiring contracts. You mean for Parker we could have gotten the #6, Foye, and Brian Cardinal? Awesome.
Follow me in, the Spurs just hired me, ATS, as their GM and I'm building a championship team. Let's start some internet rumors together. It will be fun and feel dirty, and you can't ask any more from life than that.
http://cdn1.sbnation.com/images/blog/star-divide.v5547.jpg
ATS, you high, nobody would hire you.

That's true. I'm pretty much unemployable in any field, but definitely in the NBA genius realm. Never stopped me from having an opinion though. Or saying said opinion out loud. Several separate discussions and news items have set off a firestorm of roster building ideas in this wee noggin of mine. It hurts, it's distracting, and I feel the need to share.
First and foremost of the items that brought me to my current A.D.D. state, the Spurs front office declared loudly last week with the Jefferson trade that they are willing to go into luxury tax range to win NOW. Other things that got me going were posts by Jaceman (http://www.poundingtherock.com/2009/6/30/931201/maybe-i-just-like-to-speculate-on) and Rikiddo (http://www.poundingtherock.com/2009/7/3/936363/the-bar-has-been-raised), and an email exchange with Timothy Varner from 48MoH (http://www.48minutesofhell.com/). Not everything I have is original. But, hey, there are great covers tunes out there. Like this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VRgaAHNNT8) of Bob Dylan's 'Maggie's Farm' and this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI3oTX27MK0) of Bruce Springsteen's 'The Ghost of Tom Joad' by Rage Against The Machine (an awesome live version but the volume is too low, so if you like volume, listen to this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4bNsspxY64)). 'The Ghost of Tom Joad' started to have a lot of meaning for me when I learned a couple years ago that my mom left home in 1955 at the age of 15 and worked as a migrant worker through the Southwest and West coast. It gives you a little extra something when you think about somebody sleeping under an underpass and that somebody may be your mom.
Let's not just win this year, let's win every year.

I don't want to mortgage the future for 1or 2 years of contenders. I want to build a team that will win a couple more titles for TIm AND be in a good position to compete 4 or 5 years down the road. I'm not a dreamer though. I don't expect the Mavs to trade us Dirk for expiring contracts, George Hill (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/50397/George_Hill), and the rights to Tiago Splitter (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/24281/Tiago_Splitter) because they need to start over and Dirk needs to win a championship because he is such a great guy. I may not be able to get trades and signings done, but I think they are reasonable things to expect.
What is the budget?


This is the real wildcard for what I can do in my new role as GM. Right now (based on numbers from ShamSports (http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/spurs.jsp)), the Spurs are at $72 million for this year and appear willing to give Rasheed Wallace (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21695/Rasheed_Wallace) the MLE which would push us up to $77.5 million. I'm going to give myself another $5 million to play with (the Spurs still have to fill out there roster with vets and rookies at about $1 million a player) and cap us out at $82.5 million. You know why I can do this? Because I'm giving them HUGE savings in the front office where they hired me for $20 and canned RC.
What do we need?

A dominant front court. Our back court, as Rikiddo points out (http://www.poundingtherock.com/2009/7/3/936363/the-bar-has-been-raised), is in good shape. It is certainly one of the top backcourts in the league. Tony and Manu are all-star caliber players. Roger, George, and FinDog provide a variety of great qualities off the bench. Shooting, defense, clutchness, athleticism, age, and veteran savvy. Richard Jefferson (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21550/Richard_Jefferson) looks like a hell of a fourth wheel to me at the small forward. We are set there for the next two years.
My goal, as GM, is to get us a dominant front court without moving Tim, obviously, or any of Manu, Tony, and Richard either.
What about Manu after this year?

Yes, he could be considered a tradeable asset. Not by me though. I consider him a Spur. As the new GM of the Spurs, I plan on resigning him next season on a 3-year deal at $7 million/year. I'd sign him this offseason Right Here, Right Now (watch out, it's a Jesus Jones reference) to a 3-year extension. However, I wouldn't do it until all the other roster moves have been finalized. I could write an entire article justifying this value for Manu. Let's just say this is what I think he will be worth for the next three years. If he won't resign for this value, then I am going to let him play out his contract and see what the market bears for next year. I will NOT trade him. He's an extraordinary competitor and there is no WAY I am trying to get something else for him. I'm hoping I can resign him and I want to maintain the trust and camaraderie on the team and in the organization. Plus, my good friend Bellasa would shiv me, curb stomp me, throw me into the SA river, and set me on fire if I traded him. Not only would it be justified, I would deserve no less.
Ok, ok. Enough with this crap. Build us a contender. What are YOU going to DO?


Goody, goody. We are into the nitty gritty.
First, I'm signing Rasheed Wallace. Period. I want him for the mid-level exception for three years. That's probably one more year than he's got in him, but if that's what it takes to get him. I'm doing it. I would possibly be willing to pay more for him on a 2-year deal, say $7 milllion/year. I'll explain how shortly, but I don't think I will have to go there. Because before I sign him, I want to prove to him that he's coming to a winner.
You're a winner ATS? How so?

Because I'm a crafty mofo, that's how so.
Well, before I sign Rasheed, I'm getting myself another quality big man. What, that can't be you say? I say it can be. Here's how. I'm going after one of the young big men on the free agent market, and I'm doing a sign-and-trade.
I have some assets I can trade. Bonner has an expiring contract and is a semi-decent situational player. Roger Mason (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21843/Roger_Mason) has an expiring contract, is a good shooter, and is clutch. FinDog has an expiring contract and can be bought out. Marcus Williams has an un-guaranteed contract and can be cut, OR, crazy as it seems, is maybe a good value at $800K. We also have Ian and the rights to Tiago. Oh, and a first round picks in 2010 and in 2012 (I have 2011, but I can't trade it with 2010 or 2012).
Yes, the sign-and-trade.

I, if I can make the right deal, can go out and get a $8 million/year big man with a sign-and-trade. Consider the following contracts:


Matt Bonner (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21772/Matt_Bonner) - $3.26 million
Roger Mason - $3.78 million
Michael Finley (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21777/Michael_Finley) - $2.5 million
Marcus Williams - $0.83 million

Since the I'm over the cap, in order to pull off a trade, the salaries involved have to be within 25%. For instance, in order to trade for a player making $10 million, I have to give up $8 million in salaries. To trade for $7 million, the Spurs have to give up $5.6 million. Read that again, $5.6 million. Ok, read it again, $5.6 million. Do you know that Bonner plus Finley equals $5.7 million? If I throw Marcus Williams into the deal, I go to $6.53 million which means I could trade for a salary of (6.53 * 1.25) $8.125 million. So, I can add an $8.125 million free agent in a sign-and-trade by increasing our salary by $1.63 million.
Oh, ATS, I'm all excited. Tell me more.


At the top of my list is Anderson Varejao (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21848/Anderson_Varejao) because of a combination of skill, youth, and availability. He's not my favorite, as I'll explain later, but he's who I think I have the best chance of getting. Nobody out there is going pay him $8.125 million. I can. Now, I have to convince Cleveland to accomodate the deal. You can convince a team to accomodate a sign-in-trade by making it worth their while. How can I make it worth Cleveland's while?
Well, I have to give them something. Expiring contracts aren't as enticing in a sign-and-trade (because they weren't going to have Varejao's contract anyway. If they wanted that much money on the books they'd sign Varejao themselves) so I have to give them something they want, not something they can get rid of. In Cleveland's case, I think Bonner is actually a decent fit and they might like him. He's somebody that can spread the floor for LeBron and Shaq. That's not enough though for them. If I kick in next year's #1 pick though, that might be enough value. Remember, they aren't getting anything for Varejao anyway if they let him walk. So, let's say I can agree to terms with big AV for a 5-year deal at $7 million per year (which is more than just about anybody can offer him and I'd go up to $8 million/year), I can give them Bonner, Finley, and a first round pick. They buy out FinDog for about $1.2. They have a rather reasonably priced 4th or 5th big, and a first round pick. Is it enough? I don't know. I could throw in the rights to Tiago, Ian, Marcus, or other parts. You know, I'm thinking, Roger Mason would be a really good fit for them. A clutch shooter, keeps Gibson on the bench, hmmm, what about Bonner and Mason for Varejao? No, ok, I still might throw that #1 pick in there. The upshot is, the Cavs have to get something they want. I think I can make it happen.
Just to give you something solid. I'm saying Bonner, Mason, Marcus Williams, and the #1 pick.
But what if you can't get Cleveland to do the deal?

Well, there are other teams with young big men I can target with a deal that have the same parameters. Marvin Williams (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21566/Marvin_Williams) comes to mind. I'd sign him to a 5-year deal at $8 million/year. I think Atlanta might take a first round pick, Matt Bonner, Roger Mason, and FinDog -- as a buyout -- for him. It just depends on whether they want to invest long-term in him given they have Pachulia and Childess to sign, and Horford who's really a 4.
Why Marvin ATS? Why?

Marvin, or somebody like him, as an athletic 4 is who I actually prefer. Why, because if I am signing Rasheed I want somebody who can play better on the perimeter defensively. Tim's days of being a real 4 are over. With Rasheed, Anderson, and Tim I would have three post defenders. None of whom are good perimeter defenders. I want a Marvin Williams-type to guard the Dirks and Amares. In addition, I still want to bring Tiago over next year. Now, I would have four true centers.
Ok, Atlanta doesn't bite. You didn't get Marvin, ATS. Well?

I go after Paul Millsap (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21649/Paul_Millsap). Especially if I think I can get him at about the full MLE. If I can get him with the MLE, then I'd be willing to do a sign-and-trade with the Pistons (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/DET) for Rasheed if I can pay Rasheed a little more to convince him to come to San Antonio. Maybe I get Sheed at $6.5 million for 2 years.
If I can't get Millsap, then I will explore obtaining a young power forward who is not a free agent from a team looking to salary dump. If that fails, I go to signing a veteran guy like Marion or Gooden on a 2-year deal in the 3-4 million range. What I WILL NOT do is go out on a limb to gt an older guy. If he wants to play for a chance at a ring for two years on the cheap, I'll take him.
Ok ATS, we have Rasheed and Marvin, where does that leave us for 2010?

Let's assume I gave up Bonner, Mason, Marcus, and a #1 for Marvin. I'd be willing to throw Tiago or DeJuan in to this deal to make it work. I'd have to be bowled over with Marvin to put George in it. Our 2010 roster is:
Up front


Tim Duncan (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21776/Tim_Duncan)
Manu Ginobili (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21775/Manu_Ginobili)
Tony Parker (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21781/Tony_Parker)
Richard Jefferson
Rasheed Wallace
Marvin Williams
George Hill
Michael Finley
Ian Mahinmi (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/24282/Ian_Mahinmi)
James Gist (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/50395/James_Gist) (at 800K)
DeJuan Blair (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/71936/DeJuan_Blair)(at 800K)
Jack McClinton (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/71867/Jack_McClinton) (if he can make the team at 800K)
Bruce Bowen (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21770/Bruce_Bowen) (or other small forward) at the vet min

I like my chances with that line up. For about $81.3 million, with two roster spots open. I'll take it. I don't have to sign all of those young guys, but I do have the option. That last roster spot, if I traded Mason, will have to go to a third point guard or ball handler. Maybe Marcus Williams, if as the 48MoH guys, he is really a point-forward.
Sounds good ATS, but what about our future?

Assuming Manu at 7 per, Marvin at 8 per, and Sheed on a 3-year deal for the MLE, this is what we have for 2011:
Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Jefferson, Wallace, Williams, Hill, Mahinmi(assuming I exercise his option for 2011 at $1.6, which isn't a gimme), Gist, Blair, McClinton for $73.9 million. If I still have the rights to Tiago, I'm trying to bring him over on a 3-year $3-million-per deal. And, I still have the rights to SpurNando.
After 2011, Tony's and Richard's contracts are up. Tim and Sheed are in their last year. I have Manu with two years left on his deal. I have a bunch of young guys I'm very high on in Blair, Gist, Ian, George, and Tiago. The only player I have with a long-term commitment of big money is a 25-year old Marvin Williams.
ATS, you still high.

Yeah, but that's what I would be trying to do if I reigned over the kingdom. This is my team. Six studs and a bunch of potential. Has a little bit nicer ring to it, doesn't it?

[Leftyventricle]

I thought that somebody already stated that he actually lives in Texas (Dallas, I believe). Is this true?

He lives on a gated street in lavish Rochester Hills, Michigan.

He was in Dallas during the phony san antonio sightings, but he was there for reasons unrelated to basketball.

[ploto]

he lives in Dallas so even more of a reason to go to San Antonio.

or to the Mavericks

[kbrury]

well if they get Gortat doesn't make much sense for him to go there.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

or to the Mavericks

Yeah he'll take the minimum or LLE to go play for Cuban. After all, Mark's white!

[spurspokesman]

I guess that could explain why rwallace was down here last week before FA started to meet pop. Even though pop is no longer the GM and so has nothing to do with FA, it still seems weird he would agree to be overseas during such a crucial time unless it was already a forgone fact who we have.

I hope your right

[Spurs_210]

or to the Mavericks

He wants to be on a contender not a team that barely made the playoffs. Mavs took advantage of injured Spurs team but even with the victory everyone knew that's as far as they would go...

[ehz33satx]

For every Mavs fan world wide, beating the San Antonio Spurs IS their championship, their claim to fame.

I would not mind if the Spurs never won another championship, so long as the Dallas Mavs and their fans AND the Phoenix Suns and their fans never experience hoisting the Larry O'Brien trophy aloft.

[Baseline]

If I were Sheed, I'd be very concerned about Garnett's balky knee. Who's to say that guy can stay healthy for 100 games next year? For that reason I don't think he'll go to Boston.

I know the same might be said for Manu, but if Sheed plays beside Tim, and we have RJ and Parker on the floor as well, we're a top 2 team in the West even without Manu. With Manu, we're the best team -- yes, better than LA.

LA didn't have to beat a healthy Spurs team or a healthy Boston team this year, so they didn't have to beat the best. If Jameer Nelson had been healthy, Orlando would have won. LA is still overrated. If Garnett were healthy, Boston would have beaten them in 6.

So...if Sheed comes to the Spurs, we win the title. It's that simple. It doesn't matter what LA does or doesn't do.

[Obstructed_View]

If Rasheed thinks about Garnett's balky knee, he'll realize that he's starting if KG goes down. That doesn't exactly help the Spurs.

[poeticism707]

If I were Sheed, I'd be very concerned about Garnett's balky knee. Who's to say that guy can stay healthy for 100 games next year? For that reason I don't think he'll go to Boston.

I know the same might be said for Manu, but if Sheed plays beside Tim, and we have RJ and Parker on the floor as well, we're a top 2 team in the West even without Manu. With Manu, we're the best team -- yes, better than LA.

LA didn't have to beat a healthy Spurs team or a healthy Boston team this year, so they didn't have to beat the best. If Jameer Nelson had been healthy, Orlando would have won. LA is still overrated. If Garnett were healthy, Boston would have beaten them in 6.

So...if Sheed comes to the Spurs, we win the title. It's that simple. It doesn't matter what LA does or doesn't do.

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