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Bruno

07-05-2009, 03:21 AM

http://www.laopiniondemalaga.es/secciones/noticia.jsp?pRef=2009070500_12_272089__Todo-Deporte-Haislip-Unicaja-Antonio

This article sounds like it's a deal done.

Edit by Kori: http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/49978952.html
Confirmed by Express-News. Looks like it's for the minimum.

DMX7

07-05-2009, 03:25 AM

Looks like they reached an agreement but can't sign yet for some reason.

Bruno

07-05-2009, 03:26 AM

Looks like they reached an agreement but can't sign yet for some reason.

You can't sign before Jul 8th because of the July moratorium.

timvp

07-05-2009, 03:28 AM

Weird. Haislip was a pretty good prospect -- a half decade ago. He hasn't played in the NBA since 2005. I wonder if this is just a summer league contract or perhaps a training camp invite.

This probably isn't the best of news for Mahinmi and Gist . . .

Ice009

07-05-2009, 03:28 AM

Hey Bruno, thanks for posting this. Can you give us some info about him please?

Bruno

07-05-2009, 03:29 AM

Hey Bruno, thanks for posting this. Can you give us some info about him please?

DX has made a complete article about him in January:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Marcus-Haislip-2681/

Kori Ellis

07-05-2009, 03:30 AM

Maybe they signed him to an unguaranteed contract for summer league?

Before summer league, most all the players sign 2 year/unguaranteed contracts.

Bruno

07-05-2009, 03:32 AM

Haislip is a very good player in Europe, I doubt it's an unguaranteed contract.

timvp

07-05-2009, 03:36 AM

Haslip is rated by DraftExpress as the third best overseas free agent -- behind only Brontosaurus and Pargo. If he's that well regarded these days, perhaps this is a legit NBA contract he's receiving from the Spurs.

DraftExpress has an extensive write-up about him: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Marcus-Haislip-2681/

It's very interesting that he's developed a three-point shot. It sounds like he has developed his game well.

DX has him rated higher than Siskauskas and Nachbar. If that's accurate, then Haislip probably got a guaranteed contract. Depending on the terms, it could be a nice way to add some size with potential to the team. Most likely better than skimming the bottom of the barrel and going with someone like Frye.

timvp

07-05-2009, 03:37 AM

Haislip is a very good player in Europe, I doubt it's an unguaranteed contract.

How good? LLE good or one-year minimum good? :)

Bruno

07-05-2009, 03:45 AM

How good? LLE good or one-year minimum good? :)

With the economical crisis, I would say min salary.

Spurs going after Haislip likely means that Gist won't be with the team next year.

SpursFan0728

07-05-2009, 03:46 AM

With the economical crisis, I would say min salary.

Spurs going after Haislip likely means that Gist won't be with the team next year.

Or could it mean bonner is being ship out?

BillMc

07-05-2009, 03:54 AM

Interesting. Remember right around the draft RC said they were looking at some guys overseas. Probably had this guy in mind as he knew (and said) Spitter wasn't in his plans for this year.

callo1

07-05-2009, 03:58 AM

hsxvvd

07-05-2009, 04:04 AM

For those like me that can't read Spanish, I ran this through translation.... kinda funny read, but the general idea is there.

The wing-center has reached already a principle according to the Spurs of the NBA, although the franchise of Texas will not be able to do official its contracting to on the 8

RAFAEL M. WAR. MALAGA Marcus Haislip was obsessed with the idea to return to the NBA and its constancy already has prize. The former player of the Unicaja, where military the two last seasons, has arrived at a principle according to San Antonio Spurs, where military the next campaign. The American will return thus to the best League of the world, something that had always among eyebrow and eyebrow in this last course. So much he is thus, that when the Unicaja presented its agent the enlargement of its contract, before even that to conclude the League, the representative gave it for impossible. "Marcus only thinks about leaving Europe and to return to the NBA", wine to say.
Therefore said and done. The boy, the truth, considered hurry to show its was worth. Not even it responded to the food of the club, some days after the Unicaja to fall eliminated in the semifinals against the Barcelona. The Opinion already announced a month ago that its only pretension was to play in the NBA. And thus is going to be. Neither Unicaja neither Maccabi neither Efes Beer, clubs these two last to the ones that diverse media and pages webs have related him in the last dates. Its destiny will be San Antonio Spurs. The historic franchise of the state of Texas already has a draft agreement with Haislip. July 8, just as sends the regulatory one NBA, the franchises will be able to make public its first acquisitions. Haislip will be one of them.
They have been four years in the old world, two in Turkey and other two in Spain. Disembarked in the Ottoman country of the hand of the Ulker (2005-06). And, to the following year, signed for the great enemy, the Efes Beer. Was progressing incredibly in those two phases. It conserved always its sensational springs and began to play out of the zone. The Unicaja was set in it, Haislip remained free and both signed a contract for two seasons. That operation has supposed the major economic disbursement in the history of the club. The American, probably one of the three better wing-centers of the European basketball, has received a salary of 3.3 million free euro of taxes in these two years. In Malaga has signed some excellent numbers, but has not come fill the high expectations that created its acquisition. Has been, that yes, the most noticeable player, the maximum scorer. 102 parties. It has disputed 102 encounters with the green undershirt (69 of League ACB, 29 of Euroliga and 4 of Cup of the King) in which has averaged, in 26:06 minutes, 13.8 points, 4.3 repercussions, 0.9 plugs and 12.9 points of appraisal.
Born in Lewisburg (Tennessee) December 22, 1980, Haislip puts point and final, already in an official way, to its phase in the Unicaja. At last, as was its great desire, returns to the NBA. There was ´drafteado by the Milwaukee Bucks in the position 13 of the ´draft´ of 2002. After two seasons in Milwaukee went to Indiana. Without place, did the suitcases to Europe, where has progressed a lot. In San Antonio will share wardrobe with grandísimas stars of the basketball as the French base Tony Parker, the Argentine escort Manu Ginóbili or the center Tim Duncan.

To dead king, king placed. It ruled out finally the option of Haislip, the Unicaja anticipates to do official in the next days the contracting of the Greek wing-center Georgios Printezis. The own Greek player admitted yesterday to this newspaper that the negotiations are already "practically closed" and that will play "the three next seasons in Malaga". Printezis is a ´four´ very different to Haislip. Does not it possess neither their physical power neither their capacity of annotation, although they vouch for him their tremendous future and their fantastic attitude. To the contrary that the American, Printezis is a boy very implied in everything that does, an authentic defense, a warrior in the trail.
The former one of the Olympiacos indicated yesterday that at the beginning of this week "all will be solved already". "I will be able to go very tranquil with the national selection. I do not know if Malaga will want that go now or after the Eurobásket to pass the controls and to be presented". Printezis will charge 1.1 million Euro by each one of the three campaigns that will be in the Unicaja. The wing-center of 2.06 meters was born February 22, 1985 in the capital, Athens. He comes from the Olympiacos that, although he tried to renew it, he did not offer the quantities that the Unicaja yes has satisfied. Although he was ´drafteado´, exactly, by San Antonio, in the position 58 of the 2007, his rights in the NBA are of Toronto Raptors. Printezis a clause of escape has been kept to the best League of the world in the second year of contract in Malaga.

Bruno

07-05-2009, 04:05 AM

Or could it mean bonner is being ship out?

It's more an "and" than an "or".

Haislip and Gist are quite similar players. I don't see Spurs having both under contract, even more when they will have Mahinmi and Blair under contract.

iilluzioN

07-05-2009, 04:10 AM

wtf,

WALLACE OR BUST

timvp

07-05-2009, 04:12 AM

Haislip has always been damn athletic. He was basically a Stromile Swift clone before leaving for Europe. If he's added some skill to his game overseas, he could be a nice addition. And yeah, I agree this (if true, of course) means that Gist will spend another season in Europe.

Going from YouTube clips, he looks better than the mighty Javtokas :wow

Joe Schmoogins

07-05-2009, 04:15 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPp0DZj3QJs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STk02KKVksk

This guy was so raw when he was with the Bucks. No questioning his athletic ability, kind of a cross between Amare and Swift in that regard. Can't hurt to invite him to camp:)

He really does look like Amare lite in those clips.

Does anyone know what kind of a defender he is?

poeticism707

07-05-2009, 04:18 AM

He really does look like Amare lite in those clips.

Does anyone know what kind of a defender he is?

According to the write up, not good with head fakes, but excellent perimeter big defender and pick and roll defender due to his athleticism.

THE ODOM STOPPER?!?!?!??!?

That would be a Spurs FO Gem indeed!

Kill_Bill_Pana

07-05-2009, 04:20 AM

This forum is so sad. "Fans" here do not even know Haislip. There are no true basketball fans here. All you know is Spurs players.

NewJerSpur

07-05-2009, 04:25 AM

Couldn't hurt to give him a look....he was after all blocking shots in those clips.

ChumpDumper

07-05-2009, 04:25 AM

For the money we have to be paying him, this can't be a bad signing.

It will be good to have more than one athletic big man on the roster.

Joe Schmoogins

07-05-2009, 04:26 AM

after doing a bit of research... DX puts it like this:

"Haislip often doesn’t look to rebound outside of his area. In addition to not showing ideal effort on the glass, Haislip shows even less effort on the defensive end. His 7.8 rebounds per-40 minutes is an extremely poor figure, and is indicative of the type of rebounder he’s been throughout his entire career.

Despite being able to come up with an occasional highlight reel block, Haislip usually looks disinterested on the defensive end. He has the tools to alter some shots each game, but doesn’t show great awareness when defending the weak-side."

So, it sounds like he's an athletic freak, and has polished his offensive game. However, dx doesn't make his defense sound all too promising.

Bruno comparing Haislip to Gist, how would you rate the two prospects?

If Gist is the more talented/committed defender & rebounder... who's more valuable? Without honestly knowing much about Haislip, my first thought:

I'd prefer Gist of the two due to his expressed interest in being a lock down defender.

MaNu4Tres

07-05-2009, 04:26 AM

poeticism707

07-05-2009, 04:30 AM

Could be a gem for the LLE. Give Spurs FO credit for having the balls to gamble on this has been/ prospect if that's even the case. More than likely its a training camp invite. Regardless its still a good gamble to consider. All in all lets all pray Sheed comes home and helps Tim and co. get the franchises' 5th ring.

I agree about Sheed of course, but you may be surprised about what you can get for the LLE or less: not all good players, especially those of a particular niche, play in the NBA.

AusSpursFan

07-05-2009, 04:33 AM

did I see him punch a guy out in that clip? It was a nice hit, can't wait to see that aggression on the court.

Bruno

07-05-2009, 04:48 AM

Bruno comparing Haislip to Gist, how would you rate the two prospects?

If Gist is the more talented/committed defender & rebounder... who's more valuable? Without honestly knowing much about Haislip, my first thought:

I'd prefer Gist of the two due to his expressed interest in being a lock down defender.

Haislip is a very good PF in Europe, Gist is far from that level. So right now, I would say that Haislip is significantly better than Gist.

If Spurs signs Gist this year, there is a good chance that he spends most of the season in D-League. So if Gist agrees with that, the best solution with him is likely to let him grow in Europe one more year.

TDMVPDPOY

07-05-2009, 04:53 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPp0DZj3QJs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STk02KKVksk

This guy was so raw when he was with the Bucks. No questioning his athletic ability, kind of a cross between Amare and Swift in that regard. Can't hurt to invite him to camp:)

that explains why he has a player rating of below 60 on nbalive...now i have to sign him to the spurs roster hahahahaha

MaNu4Tres

07-05-2009, 04:55 AM

Haislip is a very good PF in Europe, Gist is far from that level. So right now, I would say that Haislip is significantly better than Gist.

If Spurs signs Gist this year, there is a good chance that he spends most of the season in D-League. So if Gist agrees with that, the best solution with him is likely to let him grow in Europe one more year.

Agreed Spurs brass is indeed more high on Haislip than Gist if this Haislip article is true. They obviously have done their due diligence to know more than anyone on this board in regard of the two players. Therefore I'm fine with Gist spending one more year overseas or in Austin. He was a very late 2nd round pick for a reason.

ivanfromwestwood

07-05-2009, 04:57 AM

wow. cia pop doing big things.

poeticism707

07-05-2009, 05:01 AM

wow. cia pop doing big things.

:corn::corn::corn:

TDMVPDPOY

07-05-2009, 05:06 AM

Agreed Spurs brass is indeed more high on Haislip than Gist if this Haislip article is true. They obviously have done their due diligence to know more than anyone on this board in regard of the two players. Therefore I'm fine with Gist spending one more year overseas or in Austin. He was a very late 2nd round pick for a reason.

so where does that leave the spurs with signin wallace MLE or resignin gooden...i think both are not in the spurs plans....

spurs probably filling out the roster with cheap contracts

024

07-05-2009, 05:09 AM

i can accept the spurs signing haislip over gist but haislip over wallace would be baffling.

Joe Schmoogins

07-05-2009, 05:09 AM

Haislip is a very good PF in Europe, Gist is far from that level. So right now, I would say that Haislip is significantly better than Gist.

In that case, this most certainly is a good thing... The Spurs' overall talent has just increased. Thanks for the info!

The Spurs are making it clear they are determined to address their athletic 4 issue.

raspsa

07-05-2009, 05:11 AM

A couple of inches taller than Blair but Blair's wingspan is a couple of inches longer.. similar leaping ability.. intriguing shotblocking potential along with Ian.. I like what i see in the videos and hopefully he shows up in the summer league

Texas_Ranger

07-05-2009, 05:13 AM

so where does that leave the spurs with signin wallace MLE or resignin gooden...i think both are not in the spurs plans....

spurs probably filling out the roster with cheap contracts

I think that Haislip would be signed for a one-year minimum, so we will still have the money for signing Wallace or some other big.

Mr. Body

07-05-2009, 05:14 AM

Excellent signing and we'll see how it works out. There haven't been a lot of PFs returning to the NBA from abroad and working out - I'm thinking of those like Baston - but this is a good gamble with not a lot of risk. And I seriously doubt this gets in the way of a Rasheed or Dice signing. Haislip is not a starter in the NBA at this point and will have to prove he can be a rotation guy.

His athleticism is absolutely freakish, but his fundamentals are lacking. It shows a lot, however, that he's improved his game from the Swift wannabe of several years ago. He's still a bit of a project, even at 28, but the Spurs are the exactly correct team for him to be on. He should be willing to bust his butt on defense and rebounding, and we may have ourselves a minor gem.

As for Gist... I was concerned/amused that we'd have so many rookies and near-rookies (with Mahinmi) on the squad next year. Something had to give. I expect Gist to stay abroad and get his playing time, with Blair, Mahinmi, and maybe McClinton and MW/Hairston staying on the squad.

Mr. Body

07-05-2009, 05:14 AM

poeticism707

07-05-2009, 05:15 AM

In that case, this most certainly is a good thing... The Spurs' overall talent has just increased. Thanks for the info!

The Spurs are making it clear they are determined to address their athletic 4 issue.

Indeed! If the Spurs Neutralize Odom (ie signing Haislip to hit the 3, catch an alley or two, and guard Odom) with the team they have, plus Sheed, the Spurs beat the Lakers. It's that simple.

If that Spurs team could even slow Odom, that would be great. Because he is an instant mismatch.

Longshot, but possible.

ivanfromwestwood

07-05-2009, 05:16 AM

so what position will this guy play?

poeticism707

07-05-2009, 05:16 AM

He should be willing to bust his butt on defense and rebounding, and we may have ourselves a minor gem.

Agreed! The Spurs can teach defense, but they cannot teach world class athleticism.

boutons_deux

07-05-2009, 05:28 AM

The Sheed is dead (lazy, old, uncoachable, childish, career-wasting),
long live the Haislip!

024

07-05-2009, 05:30 AM

i've never heard of him until today but looking at his stats, his rebounding sucks pretty much for a PF. how's his rebounding?

Joe Schmoogins

07-05-2009, 05:31 AM

This from DX (Feb. 2008) in regards to Haislip:

"Look for some smart team to step up to the plate this summer and offer him a deal starting somewhere around the lower level exception."

siraulo23

07-05-2009, 05:33 AM

Looks good on offense
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyiK5nf95Cs
and blocking

Can he rebound?

poeticism707

07-05-2009, 05:34 AM

i've never heard of him until today but looking at his stats, his rebounding sucks pretty much for a PF. how's his rebounding?

If the Spurs get Sheed or Dice, they don't need rebounding with the likes of Duncan, Sheed/Dice, and Blair on board. All the Spurs would want from Haislip is to bring that freakish athleticism, hit the 3, and play at least average defense on perimter bigs or big SFs.

This guy has the tools to make Lebron and Kobe sweat (meaning his athleticism and height), like Marion's former role for the Suns.

It would take a lot of work and make no mistake, though.

ivanfromwestwood

07-05-2009, 05:39 AM

ok i only found out about this guy a few mins ago and im already sold. bring his ass over. the spurs just keep getting more athletic by the min.

poeticism707

07-05-2009, 05:42 AM

ok i only found out about this guy a few mins ago and im already sold. bring his ass over. the spurs just keep getting more athletic by the min.

:lol

The Spurs average age has dropped from 46 last year to 19 now, and they're not done! (And this guy is 28!)

Kill_Bill_Pana

07-05-2009, 05:44 AM

i've never heard of him until today but looking at his stats, his rebounding sucks pretty much for a PF. how's his rebounding?

This shit again? See Scola please. It is much easier to rebound in the NBA than in the Euroleague.

Muser

07-05-2009, 05:46 AM

Cool. Youth movement in full effect.

Mr. Body

07-05-2009, 05:49 AM

This shit again? See Scola please. It is much easier to rebound in the NBA than in the Euroleague.

Givony at DX knocks his rebounding at one point, but KBP is right here, at least in principle. Rpg numbers are in general lower in Yurp.

ivanfromwestwood

07-05-2009, 05:51 AM

Givony at DX knocks his rebounding at one point, but KBP is right here, at least in principle. Rpg numbers are in general lower in Yurp.

why?

Mr. Body

07-05-2009, 05:52 AM

Slower pace. Rotations are extended so minutes per game aren't as high.

Streakyshooter08

07-05-2009, 05:53 AM

Well I think Haislip would be a good addition. Especially if they sign him for the minimum or LLE. I liked what I saw from him. Wonder what that means for future trades/signings.

poeticism707

07-05-2009, 05:55 AM

Well I think Haislip would be a good addition. Especially if they sign him for the minimum or LLE. I liked what I saw from him. Wonder what that means for future trades/signings.

Is this what Pop was REALLY DOING IN EUROPE?!?

:stirpot:

Streakyshooter08

07-05-2009, 05:57 AM

Is this what Pop was REALLY DOING IN EUROPE?!?

:stirpot:

:hat

kace

07-05-2009, 06:05 AM

wow. his stats from his NBA years (79 games) are really awful. 3.6 ppg at 43 % / 1.5 rpg in 10.3 mpg

http://www.nba.com/historical/playerfile/index.html?player=marcus_haislip

way better this last year in Europe, but still not really good in euroligue.

http://www.eurobasket.com/player.asp?Cntry=ESP&PlayerID=33243

found this on the net :lol:
Another interesting fact from the Win Chart: PF Marcus Haislip may have been one of the worst players in NBA history. Indeed, I've done Win Charts for about five complete NBA seasons from five different eras, and Haislip is the first player I've ever calculated with more than 200 minutes of playing time and a Marginal Win Score that was worse than -6.00 (Actually, I can't remember any as bad as -5.00, but I'm not sure). How'd he do it? Basically, by doing nothing well (except he was a bit of a shot blocker). In every important statistical category he was grossly outproduced. He was a terrible scorer, terrible rebounder, terrible passer, and terrible defender. Oh, and he was a foul machine. And he turned the ball over a lot. He was bad to the bone.

don't know but would be interesting if someone has seen him play enough to give a legit opinion. being ranked 3rd in overseas FA by draftexpress sounds good though.

ivanfromwestwood

07-05-2009, 06:09 AM

you know the local paper is gonna read this thread and report it like they got the inside scoop. it will be in monday paper. bet.

poeticism707

07-05-2009, 06:10 AM

poeticism707

07-05-2009, 06:11 AM

you know the local paper is gonna read this thread and report it like they got the inside scoop. it will be in monday paper. bet.

Got McDonald?

:lol

Tully365

07-05-2009, 06:15 AM

Nice to know that all of those "inside sources" were so far off... no Gortat, no Frye, probably not even so much as an appointment with Sheed. Marcus Haislip! Hilarious!

poeticism707

07-05-2009, 06:18 AM

Nice to know that all of those "inside sources" were so far off... no Gortat, no Frye, probably not even so much as an appointment with Sheed. Marcus Haislip! Hilarious!

:lol

Haislip would be a good signing for the Vet Min, but no way he replaces the the Spurs 17th Annual Sheed Hunt!!!

BYOPF!!!

(Bring Your Own Power Forward/Pitch Fork)

ploto

07-05-2009, 06:42 AM

That's alot of young big guys.

L.I.T

07-05-2009, 06:52 AM

Sounds a bit like Tim Thomas

urunobili

07-05-2009, 06:59 AM

Sounds like Bonner is doomed...

Big Empty

07-05-2009, 07:17 AM

He has a nice jab too!! Now all we need is someone to sign Lennox Lewis and we'll have some use for him!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sX2mpOsqeg

urunobili

07-05-2009, 07:22 AM

This guy could well end up being the steal of the free agency... damn I'm a fan already... he looks more developed than Gist for sure... unless Bonner is traded the Gist has almost zero chance of sticking around this season... unless he shows his game as a 3 is refined...

velik_m

07-05-2009, 07:28 AM

Haislip was good in Europe, but this would still be a bit of surprise. LLE i guess is gone now?

buttsR4rebounding

07-05-2009, 07:30 AM

He shot right at 40% from 3 being the 1st option on the team. He is bound to get more open looks a la Bonner with the Spurs. I do worry about all the new faces "getting" the defense. The last 25 games of the season should be interesting.

PBEEZY

07-05-2009, 07:31 AM

He has a nice jab too!! Now all we need is someone to sign Lennox Lewis and we'll have some use for him!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sX2mpOsqeg

LMAO at the ref gettin twirled around

completely deck

07-05-2009, 07:54 AM

Spurs Brazil

07-05-2009, 08:00 AM

Any chance of Haislip play in the summer league team?

MI21

07-05-2009, 08:03 AM

Pretty random. Nice to see the Spurs looking at some different targets. Good for them.

I remember confusing up this guy with Melvin Ely, even though they were not similar players. I think they were drafted right near each other as well.

DPG21920

07-05-2009, 08:44 AM

Where is hype man manu?

bigfan

07-05-2009, 08:46 AM

Sign a big and this guy and call it an offseason.

completely deck

07-05-2009, 08:51 AM

On July 8, as mandated by the NBA rules, franchise may make public their first signings. Haislip will be one of them.

:elephant

hsxvvd

07-05-2009, 08:51 AM

http://www.elmundodeportivo.es/gen/20090705/53737769284/noticia/hay-alternativas.html

It's spreading, this link came from HoopsHype

DPG21920

07-05-2009, 08:52 AM

Why are people so thrilled?

SenorSpur

07-05-2009, 08:59 AM

I'm assuming the signing of Haislip means the Spurs believe he is more NBA-ready than Gist? If true, I'm sure this will be very disappointing news for Gist, who seemingly was intent on making the roster and contributing to the squad this season.

exstatic

07-05-2009, 09:08 AM

The Sheed is dead (lazy, old, uncoachable, childish, career-wasting),
long live the Haislip!

Signing an NBA washout Euro doesn't mean that Sheed isn't coming. It just means you can sign Euros now, but not NBA FAs, not until Wednesday, anyways.

Kill_Bill_Pana

07-05-2009, 09:16 AM

Don't overrate this guy. If we really got him for the min contract then that doesn't mean anything for Gist quite yet. We are thin on our big man rotation, and on our overall 15 man roster. We traded 3 players for 1 and are likely leting Vaughn and Udoka walk. We only have 10 players on contract, and Williams might not be on the team come october 30th. So we might only have 9 players, 5 of them being guards and 2 forwards who play on the outside. So 7 of our 9 (8 of 10 if you count Williams) players on the roster are outside players.

Now we bring in Gist, Blair, Haislip, MLE big hopefully, to go along with Duncan and Ian. To be honest our only true big man that we know will make the rotation is Duncan. Haislip is probably the best big we can get without the MLE. And there is still no promise we can get a big from the MLE.

Haislip would be considered possibly a top 10 PF in Euroleague level. Gist possibly a top 10 PF in Italian League level. There is a HUGE difference there.

raspsa

07-05-2009, 09:20 AM

I don't think Haislip signing, if confirmed, has any direct relation to the Sheed hunt.

Brazil

07-05-2009, 09:22 AM

This thread is another example of the strengh of this board ! The quality of the info provided by some of the posters here is just amazing.

Regarding Haislip, I saw him play once one year ago in Spain and I hope he improved his game a lot. I didn't look specificaly at him but I remember an athletic big with a just decent shooting, a litle bit lazy on Defense, he is not very quick on his feet and had hard time to defend the opposite frontcourt. He has the qualities to be a good rebounder but his lack of effort was obvious during that game. From what I've seen I'd prefer Gist but maybe he was quite bored to play in Europe and he will be motivated by the NBA challenge.

spurs50_

07-05-2009, 09:37 AM

Gist will kick his ass.

Marcus Bryant

07-05-2009, 09:38 AM

Seems like a small money gamble which could pay off handsomely or which might not, but in any event it makes sense in a league in which a player like Gortat gets $32 million guaranteed.

wildbill2u

07-05-2009, 09:42 AM

DX has made a complete article about him in January:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Marcus-Haislip-2681/

Sounds like a older, somewhat wiser and more polished James White. At 28, he's right on the age bubble if he isn't actually a potential NBA rotation player. Not too many years left for developing potential.

Gotta love the Spurs for keeping up with a myriad of overseas players though. Like God, their eye is on even the sparrow.

Spursmania

07-05-2009, 09:45 AM

The video clips look great. But how does his euro game translate to the NBA? I just wish we knew more about him. Anything anybody can post on him would be greatly appreciated. Sure looks like there is a lot of potential.:downspin:

GSH

07-05-2009, 09:49 AM

I saw him play in college. There were times when he looked like a grown man playing against a bunch of boys. It just looked too easy. He went around guys and threw it down almost at will. But there were other nights when he either just didn't have it, or the other team was good enough to frustrate him... whatever. He didn't look like he was having a lot of fun. If the defender cut him off, he didn't know what to do. Sometimes he tried to power through and got whistled. Sometimes he just chunked up hopeless shots. Sometimes he dumped the ball off... to an opposing player.

The big thing was the defensive end. One of the DX articles talks about him "rotating haphazardly". I actually remember saying that he would "rotate randomly" at times. That's what it looked like - like he just moved because he felt like he ought to go somewhere. And I remember thinking, "What the hell was he doing, standing over there?" When the play came to him, he was a respectable defender and shot blocker. And he made some poster-quality weak side blocks, as well. But there were times when he just looked lost on defense.

He definitely should have stayed in college one more year. That being said, it sounds like he has made the most of his European experience, and improved his fundamentals a lot. He wants to come back, and I would expect him to put out the effort. He's going to be leaving a chunk of money on the table to do it, so I expect that they will be giving him a guarantee along the lines of the LLE. Even though he wants to get back to the NBA, I can't imagine that he would leave that much on the table and go for an unguaranteed contract.

DBMethos

07-05-2009, 09:51 AM

Why are people so thrilled?

At this point, we're so starved for real news (not just speculation) that we'll get excited for anything.

Knoxxx

07-05-2009, 09:52 AM

I live in Knoxville and remember watching Haislip play at one of the few Vols BBall games I attended. Obviously his game has never been perfect, but at least we are getting an athletic big, and I am looking forward to seeing what Pop and co. can do with Marcus. He was definitely an intimidating inside presence at the college level, I was impressed with what I saw. Mainly the shotblocking and dunks was what I recall. I imagine he can protect the rim better than anyone else we have on the roster.

SonOfAGun

07-05-2009, 10:03 AM

This shit again? See Scola please. It is much easier to rebound in the NBA than in the Euroleague.

Because they play with 40 lb. rocks instead of basketballs.

benefactor

07-05-2009, 10:24 AM

I know absolutely nothing about him...but from looking at his stats and reading he seems like he is more NBA ready than Gist or maybe even Mahimni at this point. As Phila said, we don't have many players at all right now and most of the players we are looking at to fill out the roster are unproven. This guy seems to be a proven player in Europe, so its safe to assume that he is probably closer to being an immediate contributor off the bench than some of our other bench prospects.

objective

07-05-2009, 10:27 AM

Scola averaged more rebounds in slightly fewer minutes his last season in euroleague than Haislip. His last year of ACB play Scola had even better rebound margins. Haislip shot 3s well in ACB, but only shot 25% from 3 in euroleauge.

I'm not real thrilled about Haislip.

mogrovejo

07-05-2009, 10:30 AM

I've been saying for a couple of years that Haislip is now a NBA rotational player. Very good in the open-court; a solid face-up 4, who can take slower players off the dribble and pull up jumpers; a bit of a liability in terms of defence and rebounding.

He was awful with the Bucks, but he has developed his game quite a bit, especially his jump-shot. I see Haislip as a much more athletic version of Big Baby Davis; or a poor man's David West.

If he signs for the minimum, he's going to be losing a lot of money; Barcelona is reportedly interested on him to replace Ilyasova/Andersen (their two PFs), who are both joining the NBA next season.

DynastyBuilder

07-05-2009, 10:31 AM

Really liked Haislip back in his Tennessee days, super athletic and instant shot in the arm energy guy. I'm liking the mix of talent. Going to be an interesting summer league/training camp :tu

Marcus Bryant

07-05-2009, 10:34 AM

Why are people so thrilled?

I'm not thrilled but am interested. Obviously there are some reasons to be skeptical about him making it in the league in his second stint, but it does look like he's used his time in Europe to improve his game. The Spurs are obviously doing what they can to get younger, longer, and more athletic.

picnroll

07-05-2009, 10:37 AM

I think the Spurs have a pretty good record sizing up Euro bigs. Krstic, Oberto, Garbajosa I believe they wanted. They did ultimately screw up on Scola's assessment. I'll go with Pop's judgement on this.

Bruno

07-05-2009, 10:40 AM

My point. We are adding another unproven NBA player to our roster. This doesn't mean anything for Gist as far as I am can tell, except they will be fighting for minutes.

Disagree.

If Spurs sign a bigman with their MLE (Sheed, McDyess...) and Haislip contract is guaranteed, Spurs will have 6 bigmen under contract (Duncan, MLE big, Bonner, Blair, Mahinmi and Haislip). There isn't room left for Gist.

Before the SL, odds are against Gist to make the team next year. He will need something like him being great in SL and Mahinmi being bad in SL to improve his odds.

Spurs Brazil

07-05-2009, 10:42 AM

you know the local paper is gonna read this thread and report it like they got the inside scoop. it will be in monday paper. bet.

EN sucks so far in FA coverage.

3 or 4 places already reported Wallace will be in San Antonio next week and McDonald and Monroe have nothing

TheProfessor

07-05-2009, 10:43 AM

Disagree.

If Spurs sign a bigman with their MLE (Sheed, McDyess...) and Haislip contract is guaranteed, Spurs will have 6 bigmen under contract (Duncan, MLE big, Bonner, Blair, Mahinmi and Haislip). There isn't room left for Gist.

Before the SL, odds are against Gist to make the team next year. He will need something like him being great in SL and Mahinmi being bad in SL to improve his odds.
If the Spurs are signing another 3-point shooting big, I can't help but think Bonner's on a fast train out of town.

objective

07-05-2009, 10:44 AM

Spurs Brazil

07-05-2009, 10:46 AM

Disagree.

If Spurs sign a bigman with their MLE (Sheed, McDyess...) and Haislip contract is guaranteed, Spurs will have 6 bigmen under contract (Duncan, MLE big, Bonner, Blair, Mahinmi and Haislip). There isn't room left for Gist.

Before the SL, odds are against Gist to make the team next year. He will need something like him being great in SL and Mahinmi being bad in SL to improve his odds.

Bruno,
Do you think Haislip may be the long 3 to guard players like Odom, Lewis and Dirk?

I don't see any of our bigs doing that job so Haislip may be a option to be tested

dbestpro

07-05-2009, 10:49 AM

Why are people so thrilled?

Because if Haislip works it means Bonner is a goner. The backup PF who can shoot a three would go to a more athletic Marcus at a greatly reduced rate. Bonner then might be used in some way to trade or do the sign and trade for our other starting big. Also, you never know if the Spurs are looking for a better SG than Mason to split time with Manu.

Bruno

07-05-2009, 10:50 AM

Bruno,
Do you think Haislip may be the long 3 to guard players like Odom, Lewis and Dirk?

I don't see any of our bigs doing that job so Haislip may be a option to be tested

Well, I wouldn't call a "long 3" a player who can't play the 3 but Haislip is a mobile PF who has the tools to do well against other mobile PF like Odom or Dirk.
Mahinmi has also on the paper the quickness to defend these kind of players.

Spursfanfromafar

07-05-2009, 10:57 AM

Bonner for all his flaws was a very durable option the entire season in 08-09. He played as a starter despite having goods only for a reserve, and had his good moments in the course of the season and not so much in the playoffs. Haislip is an unknown quantity who failed in his NBA stint earlier before improving in the Euros. That is not enough to suggest that he can replace Bonner (who had a very respectable PER as well).

Big P

07-05-2009, 11:11 AM

Hopefully just a non guaranteed summer invite type contract.

itzsoweezee

07-05-2009, 11:16 AM

bishopospurs

07-05-2009, 11:22 AM

This is concerning a litte, if it is for anything more than the minimum I would be unhappy. I was hoping the spurs would save their MLE and LLE for different players. Also would this cut into Blairs minutes a little?

Aggie Hoopsfan

07-05-2009, 11:23 AM

please don't let this be the it for the spurs offseason. if the spurs don't land a legit big man, not some loser that had to go to europe because no nba teams wanted him, then i'm going to vomit all over my keyboard.

Put down the razor blades.

Our top two FA big man targets (Sheed, Dice) are still out there.

This is a sneaky bargain signing. Would you rather have this guy for the min/LLE or Gortat for 30 mil?

Big P

07-05-2009, 11:34 AM

Put down the razor blades.

Our top two FA big man targets (Sheed, Dice) are still out there.

This is a sneaky bargain signing. Would you rather have this guy for the min/LLE or Gortat for 30 mil?

I would rather have Gist.

HarlemHeat37

07-05-2009, 11:47 AM

I don't really have any comments about this..this is obviously a signing for our bench depth, I highly doubt this is our big signing of the off-season LOL..didn't Pop specifically say that we're going to use the MLE on a 4?..

bigdog

07-05-2009, 11:49 AM

I think this could be a signing for the minimum, and they're doing it now, so that way the won't have to do it later. If it is guaranteed, then it means Gist is likely not going to be on the team. I fully expect Mahinmi to play with the Spurs this year. This probably means they're just looking for depth.

Now they can focus on an MLE-worthy big.

Marcus Bryant

07-05-2009, 12:08 PM

Bonner is being dealt, as is Finley.

completely deck

07-05-2009, 12:13 PM

oh my :hungry:

YODA

07-05-2009, 12:20 PM

Just some observations. Under contract right now.
Parker Manu jefferson Tim
Hill Mason Finley Bonner
Ian
Blair

so, I assume we have 10 players under contract. Leaves us with 5 spots open if we keep 15 players on the roster. Im really curious to how we fill the roster.
If bowen came back and if we signed a big like wallase, then we would have 3 spots open.

picnroll

07-05-2009, 12:22 PM

BackHome

07-05-2009, 12:22 PM

Don't overrate this guy. If we really got him for the min contract then that doesn't mean anything for Gist quite yet. We are thin on our big man rotation, and on our overall 15 man roster. We traded 3 players for 1 and are likely leting Vaughn and Udoka walk. We only have 10 players on contract, and Williams might not be on the team come october 30th. So we might only have 9 players, 5 of them being guards and 2 forwards who play on the outside. So 7 of our 9 (8 of 10 if you count Williams) players on the roster are outside players.

Now we bring in Gist, Blair, Haislip, MLE big hopefully, to go along with Duncan and Ian. To be honest our only true big man that we know will make the rotation is Duncan. Haislip is probably the best big we can get without the MLE. And there is still no promise we can get a big from the MLE.

I agree..........the issue we have to be concerned with is that the following players have known injuries.

Ian: His nickname is Kandi Man because he breaks so easily
Timmy: His knees are bothering him so he won't be playing as much
Blair: The Spurs will monitor his minutes which will be limited

So adding Haislip and Sheed and Gist is not that bad of an idea considering the possability of one of our bigs getting hurt. I also see Haislip playing alot more Center then I do at PF.

So does this mean we are going to trade Finley and Bonner?

Spursmania

07-05-2009, 12:35 PM

I think the writing is on the wall. Bonner and Finley and possibly even Mason will be on the chopping block. IMO. Spurs hopefully will pick up Sheed or Dyess. I wouldn't be too thrilled with any other big pick-up. But, they can still get a quality big and make it happen. Obviously, their first choice is to go after the proven bigs who can immediately fit in and make a difference.

Interrohater

07-05-2009, 12:35 PM

Those videos are ridiculous. Dude is 6'10" and moves like a guard or small forward. Also, he looks like he can pass pretty well too. Better than that, though, is he looks so morose because he's not in the NBA! lol

peacemaker885

07-05-2009, 12:41 PM

Sounds like the start of the end of the Sheed quest...

timvp

07-05-2009, 12:42 PM

I'm wondering why all the incredible lust for Gist. He may be good. May be. But so far all he's shown is a few good minutes in last years summer league. I'm assuming the Spurs have been monitoring his progress and have measured his development against Haislip's.

Agreed. Gist was pretty damn impressive in summer league but it's highly doubtful he'll be a factor next season for the Spurs. Chances are that he'll either spend much of the year in D-League or in Europe.

We'll see in summer league but he probably needs at least another year of refinement.

tav1

07-05-2009, 12:43 PM

I don't know much about Hailsip, other than watching him play in garbage time when he was with Milwaukee. I've read what you've read, but I can't say that I've watched him play in a few years.

I assume he's incapable of playing small forward, correct? I wonder about Gist as a Toros-bound project 3. Just a thought. Trying to get my head around the roster implications.

Bruno

07-05-2009, 12:45 PM

As long as we are taking a chance on a player from over seas, why not a younger player as well? Say we do get Sheed or McDyess, that is our second big man that will play in the rotation. Past Duncan and the MLE big who do we have that is a sure thing to be good? I am not saying that Gist is better than Haislip, but Gist will be a cheap player to have on the roster. And don't count Matt as a big man, he doesn't play in the post unless he is defending.

Bonner plays PF, he is a big.

I simply don't see Spurs having 7 PF/C on their roster and that's why I don't see Gist being with the team.

timvp

07-05-2009, 12:46 PM

Why are so many Spurs fans connecting this news to Sheed? This would be a totally different signing. At most he'd make the LLE, which wasn't going to land a quality NBA bigman anyways.

It's a flyer on an athletic bigman who has worked on his game over the last four years. It doesn't have anything to do with Wallace or the use of the MLE at all.

P.S.

We don't know if this news is true. Sports news out of Europe is notorious for being iffy. They straight up wrote a series of fiction articles about the Spurs being interested in Brontosaurus. This could be similar.

MaNu4Tres

07-05-2009, 12:47 PM

Aggie Hoopsfan

07-05-2009, 12:47 PM

Sounds like the start of the end of the Sheed quest...

Yeah, an unproven Euro that last averaged like 4 and 2 in the NBA is our plan B for 'Sheed :rolleyes

One, he's coming to visit this week. Two, there's still Dice out there.

completely deck

07-05-2009, 12:49 PM

Why are so many Spurs fans connecting this news to Sheed?

Because they're thirsty for gossip and information. Nothing's happening during the weekend and they're getting antsy. :wakeup

BackHome

07-05-2009, 12:52 PM

Some interesting stats:

Gist:

Wing Spang - 7.4
Standing Reach - 8-11.5
Non Vertical Step - 30

Haislap:

Wing Span - 7.0
Standing Reach - 8.11
Non Vertical Step - 33.5

Blair:

Wing Span - 7.2
Standing Reach - 8.10
Non Vertical Step 26

Kill_Bill_Pana

07-05-2009, 12:52 PM

Haislip could be an average level NBA backup player. I was thinking about him and he's a pretty good player in Europe against weak competition but against big European clubs he's pretty much useless.

He would be an upgrade over Bonner and that is about it I think nothing great but he would be OK as a backup probably.

Biggems

07-05-2009, 12:53 PM

This forum is so sad. "Fans" here do not even know Haislip. There are no true basketball fans here. All you know is Spurs players.

you bring 2 positive qualities to this board........comic relief and hot sig photos.....other than that, you are absolutely useless and a complete waste of sperm and egg.

completely deck

07-05-2009, 12:54 PM

Spurs Brazil

07-05-2009, 12:54 PM

Haislip was selected by the Milwaukee Bucks as the 13th pick of the 2002 NBA Draft. During his rookie year Haislip was inserted into the starting line-up for the final nine games of the 2002–03 NBA season. He helped the Bucks to an 8–1 record in those games, which helped the Bucks clinch a spot in the playoffs. When the playoffs started he was relegated to the bench. He remained a bench player with the Bucks for his first two seasons until being placed on waivers on November 4, 2004. He was signed by the Indiana Pacers during the 2004–05 season in order to fill the the team's gap at power forward, due to the 15-game suspension of Jermaine O'Neal.

He started playing for Ülkerspor in the 2005–06 season. In March 2006, he left the team without authorization and returned to the United States due to "family issues", according to a teammate. He was selected to the TBL (Turkish Basketball League) All-Star Game and also participated in the Slam Dunk contest, which he won. He signed with Turkish Basketball League powerhouse Efes Pilsen in August 2006.[2]

Haislip returned to the U.S. with Pilsen in October 2006, when the team played a pair of exhibition games against NBA teams. Pilsen played the Denver Nuggets in Denver on October 11, and played the Golden State Warriors in Oakland on October 13. Haislip scored 13 points and added 9 rebounds against the Warriors.[3] On July 13, 2007, Haislip signed with the Spanish ACB club Unicaja Málaga.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Haislip

Kill_Bill_Pana

07-05-2009, 12:55 PM

you bring 2 positive qualities to this board........comic relief and hot sig photos.....other than that, you are absolutely useless and a complete waste of sperm and egg.

The fans in this forum are a joke on basketball knowledge. They are practically retarded most of them on basketball issues.

loveforthegame

07-05-2009, 12:55 PM

If it's true, I like the signing. It's a low risk gamble. :tu

It's likely for the LLE at most so it's not like we're breaking the bank for him. Maybe he'll be a bust but it's nice to see he's improved his game while over in Europe.

Nick, the Nazi

07-05-2009, 12:56 PM

I was thinking about him and he's pretty.

Don't you know any faggot fucks forums?

Interrohater

07-05-2009, 12:57 PM

Haislip could be an average level NBA backup player. I was thinking about him and he's a pretty good player in Europe against weak competition but against big clubs he's pretty much useless.

He would be an upgrade over Bonner and that is about it I think nothing great but he would be OK as a backup probably.
Well, seeing as how Bonner was a starter... if he's an upgrade over Bonner on the cheap, what do you mean by "and that is about it"? an upgrade is an upgrade

completely deck

07-05-2009, 12:57 PM

Don't you know any faggot fucks forums?

Quality posting from "Nick, the Nazi". Only at Spurstalk.com

BackHome

07-05-2009, 12:59 PM

The fans in this forum are a joke on basketball knowledge. They are practically retarded most of them on basketball issues.

Kill Bill - Please bring back the bouncing girls....They were my favorite!!!

TheProfessor

07-05-2009, 01:02 PM

The fans in this forum are a joke on basketball knowledge. They are practically retarded most of them on basketball issues.
So you'll be leaving then, right? Why not start up your own board? I'm sure tons of knowledgeable fans will follow you.

weebo

07-05-2009, 01:04 PM

If I remember correctly, this guy was a top 15 pick the same year Yao was drafted number 1. In Tenn., he always struck me as player that had tremendous athletic ability but not much work ethic. He reminded me of one of those guys that felt like he could do it on talent alone.

Hopefully, his time in Europe has changed that attitude. Maybe his time playing with professionals overseas has taught him how to BE more professional. It wouldn't hurt if he learned to play the game a little more either.

All in all, this isn't such a bad move for the Spurs. If he shows he can play and crack the rotation, its a major plus for our front line. But if he sucks, not much is really lost here.

DPG21920

07-05-2009, 01:07 PM

Disagree.

If Spurs sign a bigman with their MLE (Sheed, McDyess...) and Haislip contract is guaranteed, Spurs will have 6 bigmen under contract (Duncan, MLE big, Bonner, Blair, Mahinmi and Haislip). There isn't room left for Gist.

Before the SL, odds are against Gist to make the team next year. He will need something like him being great in SL and Mahinmi being bad in SL to improve his odds.

Gist was by far the best SL player last year and it did nothing for him, how much better could he possibly play? Also, I am thinking that most on here do not believe he could be a 3? If he is a 3 and the Spurs see him as such, this signing might not effect him (although it likely does).

mogrovejo

07-05-2009, 01:09 PM

To compare Haislip to Gist is simply absurd.

Haislip is one of the best bigs in Europe; Gist is an afterthought nobody cares. It'd be like comparing David West to Josh Boone. Haislip is easily a decent backup 4; Gist is nothing more than a 6th big/14th man.

angelbelow

07-05-2009, 01:20 PM

it does suck about gist, but viewing this move objectively its probably for the best.

Spursfan092120

07-05-2009, 01:21 PM

This forum is so sad. "Fans" here do not even know Haislip. There are no true basketball fans here. All you know is Spurs players.
LMAO..this from a guy who said the Spurs should draft Pappas, who, not only wasn't even rated as a draft prospect, but WASN'T EVEN ELIGIBLE TO DRAFT!! That and saying Pappas was dominating the U19 Championships when he averaged more turnovers per game than any player in the tournament. Thanks for making this thread more interesting by throwing your brainless comments in here, KBP..we appreciate it. :toast

Libri

07-05-2009, 01:23 PM

Maybe the Spurs can sign both Haislip and Gist.

If Haislip makes the team, Gist can be assigned to the D-League. If during the course of the NBA season, Haislip turns out to be a bust or has a fallout with Pop, the Spurs can dump him and Gist can easily be called up from Austin. It can work both ways but as many of you have said, Haislip seems more prepared than Gist

The Spurs have doing this for while. If one player doesn't work out, then they give another of their prospects an opportunity.

loveforthegame

07-05-2009, 01:27 PM

Nevermind. The clip was already posted. I'll post again so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle.

Nice shot blocking ablity though that doesn't make him a shot blocker. The 3 ball looks nailed down and those dunks are just nasty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyiK5nf95Cs

Pucho!!!

07-05-2009, 01:34 PM

Sure would like to c this dude punk KG!!! Boom! Pow! Bang! It looks like he dont put up with bitches!

CaptainLate

07-05-2009, 01:36 PM

Does anyone know what kind of a defender he is?

Extract from 1/17/09 DE Profile (my emphasis in bold):

While Haislip still struggles in some areas offensively, his lack of progress in other areas is more troubling. Averaging only 5.2 rebounds in ACB play (4.6 in Euroleague games), it is apparent that the athletically gifted forward isn’t making a concerted effort to make an impact on the glass. Though some of this lack of production can be attributed to the presence of good rebounders such as Boniface N’Dong, Robert Archibald, and Unicaja mainstay Carlos Jimenez, Haislip often doesn’t look to rebound outside of his area. In addition to not showing ideal effort on the glass, Haislip shows even less effort on the defensive end. His 7.8 rebounds per-40 minutes is an extremely poor figure, and is indicative of the type of rebounder he’s been throughout his entire career.

Despite being able to come up with an occasional highlight reel block, Haislip usually looks disinterested on the defensive end. He has the tools to alter some shots each game, but doesn’t show great awareness when defending the weak-side. His lack of bulk will get him into some trouble on the block, but he actually does a nice job going straight up and not fouling –though he doesn’t do a great job keeping up with pump fakes and up-and-under moves.

Even though he isn’t all that engaged on the defensive end, he is more than capable of defending perimeter oriented big men effectively. Given his lateral quickness, wingspan, and leaping ability, Haislip has all the tools to be at the very least a solid defender. However, it seems somewhat unlikely that he will begin to buy into that end of the floor at this point in his career. While this is something that he could definitely stand to work on, Aito has shown that Haislip’s inconsistent defensive intensity isn’t impossible to plan around with the right personnel in place.

Despite still having some nagging weaknesses, there is absolutely no question that Haislip has developed into an NBA player. With that said, he'll likely need to rebound from his shooting slump and carry his team deep into Euroleague play to draw serious enough offers to make the economics of a return trip across the pond worthwhile. If he shows a bit more defensive intensity and continues to produce as such a high rate, he should have no problem finding interest come this summer. Whether or not NBA teams can compete with the multi-million dollar offers that are likely coming his way in Europe remains to be seen, though.

Bruno

07-05-2009, 01:36 PM

Gist was by far the best SL player last year and it did nothing for him, how much better could he possibly play?

"by far" is quite exaggerated but he was quite good in last year SL. Gist staying one year in Europe was likely as good for his development than spending one year between Austin and the end of Spurs' bench.

Also, I am thinking that most on here do not believe he could be a 3? If he is a 3 and the Spurs see him as such, this signing might not effect him (although it likely does).

Pop don't think that he could play SF:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3376907&postcount=91

CaptainLate

07-05-2009, 01:45 PM

Excellent signing and we'll see how it works out.

Have the Spurs said they signed him?
And if so, why no story about it from SA Express-News?

kbrury

07-05-2009, 01:48 PM

Well they can't officialy sign until the 8th, and SA express news probably hasn't checked ST for news yet. lol

tmtcsc

07-05-2009, 01:53 PM

Dayummm. This guy is the definition of a FINISHER. I hope he gets good minutes behind Jefferson. If he's part of the rotation, then we have certainly gotten younger AND more Athletic.

timvp

07-05-2009, 01:53 PM

Have the Spurs said they signed him?
And if so, why no story about it from SA Express-News?

I would take this news with a huge grain of salt. As we saw with that big Greek kid, European sports reporting isn't always accurate -- to say the least. This news could be accurate but it could be pure speculation or an agent trying to generate interest in his client.

callo1

07-05-2009, 01:56 PM

More than likely its a Training Camp invite. I don't understand why everyone is getting so defensive about players who have yet to prove anything on the NBA level. Spurs may want to have different options to look for the bottom of the big's depth chart in regard of Gist/ Mahimni/ Haislip. Not a bad idea.

I agree. Wasn't the goal to get younger? Many times unproven and younger go hand in hand...seems to have worked out alright in '03 with an unproven pg and a vagabond sf named Jackson.

BlackBellamy

07-05-2009, 01:58 PM

I dunno fellas, only 5 rebounds a game? I guess the 50 % FG and 41 % from the three is reason enough to give a look, but we are seriously lacking some rebounding. I don't think Marcus will stick around.

yavozerb

07-05-2009, 02:03 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aXqwUXy2cw

Blackjack

07-05-2009, 02:18 PM

I thought he was more of an athletic tweener back with the Bucks, not the power-forward he's referred to as now, so if he was that tweener who could guard a little on the perimeter against some of the bigger 3's, he'd make a lot of since. Defensive size and length on the perimeter should be the Spurs' next priority after the MLE big, but from what I hear, he doesn't seem to fit that bill.

If the Spurs do have interest, and this isn't the workings of a copy-cat agent, it wouldn't be shocking.

I seem to remember him being listed on their SL roster one or twice (last year IIRC) but I assume he accepted a contract overseas or something else came up because I don't think he actually ended up playing for them.

Gist, unfortunately, is probably a year away from really contributing, so a team in a win- now mode would probably be wise to choose Haislip over Gist, at this point. Although, questions of effort and complacency aren't things I attribute to Gist, but I assume the Spurs have done their due-diligence and weighed their options carefully.

Could be a nice pick-up, a bogus report, or a flier worth taking given the cheap options available...

bigdog

07-05-2009, 02:23 PM

Dayummm. This guy is the definition of a FINISHER. I hope he gets good minutes behind Jefferson. If he's part of the rotation, then we have certainly gotten younger AND more Athletic.

Behind Jefferson? Sorry, but Haislip is nowhere near a 3 at all. He is a PF/C.

velik_m

07-05-2009, 02:30 PM

Whether or not NBA teams can compete with the multi-million dollar offers that are likely coming his way in Europe remains to be seen, though.

This is why i thought this is a bit unexpected. Haislip is one of those guys who can make more money in Europe (where he's considered good) than in NBA (where he's a benchwarmer). It's not like he's got much upside, he's 28, for the most part he is, what he is.
It true however that economy is bad, maybe there just weren't any big offers in Europe for him, or he really wants to play in NBA.

Ditty

07-05-2009, 02:33 PM

hope he is just in camp that's all

rather have a 22 year old gist

bless1187

07-05-2009, 02:33 PM

DPG21920

07-05-2009, 02:37 PM

When I said Gist was by far the best SL player, I was speaking only about for the Spurs, not the entire SL. Still does not change the point. I do not think he can play much better than he did last year unless he shows:

1) Even better 3 point shooting
2) Does extremely well with perimeter defense on smaller and bigger players
3) Shows increased ball handling/passing skills

That is asking a lot. So if he has no future at the 3, then he is more than likely going back to Europe this year if this signing is true.

kbrury

07-05-2009, 02:37 PM

The guy is unproven. if he gets a min. contract with a contender just to get back in the NBA he should take it. There would be no need to give him above the LLE.

ageed I really hope its for the LLE which I think it is, since they seem to have interest in MLE caliber free agents.

bishopospurs

07-05-2009, 02:38 PM

We need a 3 and 5, I hope they aren't giving up MLE money for him. I doubt he plays the 3, that could be like Mason at the point. Funny, Mason and Haislip were drafted in the same class, only there was 30 spots or so between them. All over it says he really wants to be back in the NBA, so money may now matter as much as getting another shot. As long as Blair's development is impeded by this it looks better than a lot of 6'10 guys on the market.

Ditty

07-05-2009, 02:39 PM

If this article is true, it seems that Spurs are interested in splitting their MLE between two players. M. Haslip and another player. Since i don't see a player passing up a few million dollars from teams in europe to be a training camp invitee.

im pretty sure its non guranteed so it doesnt count against the salry cap

Aggie Hoopsfan

07-05-2009, 02:41 PM

If this article is true, it seems that Spurs are interested in splitting their MLE between two players. M. Haslip and another player. Since i don't see a player passing up a few million dollars from teams in europe to be a training camp invitee.

I don't think you can come to that conclusion. More than likely he's going to be a minimum or at most LLE guy. Still got the MLE out there for Sheed or Dice.

bless1187

07-05-2009, 02:41 PM

[QUOTE=kbrury;3523171]ageed I really hope its for the LLE which I think it is, since they seem to have interest in MLE caliber free agents.[/QUOTE

as soon as i saw this report, it reminded me of R. Mason during the summer of 07, he'd been out the league for a few years and was nothing more than a water boy in the league. but as reported, Spurs still offered R. Mason guaranteed money for more than the LLE, but R. Mason still decided to resign with the Wizards for one more year, and had a decent year for them.

bishopospurs

07-05-2009, 02:46 PM

bless1187

07-05-2009, 02:49 PM

[QUOTE=bless1187;3523178]
It is different than Mason, who is competing for Haislip's services right now? Why commit money when we don't need to do it?

i mean if they really do see something in him and feel he could contribute the same way they felt about R. Mason... the teams competing for M. Haslip's service may be the Euro team.

bishopospurs

07-05-2009, 02:50 PM

[QUOTE=bishopospurs;3523190]

i mean if they really do see something in him and feel he could contribute the same way they felt about R. Mason... the teams competing for M. Haslip's service may be the Euro team.
Agreed, but if he is hell bent on being in the NBA we could get him to commit for a lower price.

DPG21920

07-05-2009, 02:53 PM

Pop don't think that he could play SF:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3376907&postcount=91

http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/06/16/an-interview-with-james-gist/

The Spurs do things differently. We all know this is true, but it helps to stop and check the score once in awhile. One thing that sets the Spurs apart from other teams is there use of the Austin Toros and international leagues as part of their player development. “Yes, I know,” you say. “Why remind us now?”

As we’re busy thinking about the upcoming draft, let’s not forget that Marcus Williams, Malik Hairston and James Gist are better than almost any player the Spurs will draft in the second round. It may well be the case that San Antonio will add youth and athleticism to their 2009-10 roster through the fruit of their 2007 and 2008 drafts, not to mention their work through the Toros and friendship with Angelica Biella.

Last July James Gist captured the attention of Spurs Nation with his strong summer league play, and most fans would like to see a reprise this July. I had a chance to catch up with Gist last week.

TV: How was the experience of living abroad for a year?

JG: I don’t really have any crazy stories about living in Italy. For the most part, things went how I expected. When I first arrived in Italy I was a bit upset–I felt that I belonged in the NBA, not overseas. After the first couple months went by I decided to accept that fact that I’m over here and to make the best of my situation. One thing my agent, Bill Duffy, told me was that “life is like a card game at times, your not always given the best cards, but you have to play the hand your dealt. So why not make the best of it.” Around November I took that into consideration and did the best I could to make the situation positive. Looking back on the decision the Spurs and I made for myself to come overseas, I think it was the best thing that could have ever happened to me. This is definitely an experience I will always remember. I am very happy that I made the decision to come to Italy for a year. I grew as a basketball player learning a lot more about the game, but, more importantly, I grew as a person.

TV: Tell me about Biella, the city and the team. From your perspective, how does the level of talent of Serie A compare to the ACC?

JG: The city of Biella fits me because I have a laid back personality and I enjoy relaxing and not always being in the limelight. Biella has about 50-60,000 residents. Everyone I meet or walk by always has a smile, they’re very nice, and say thank you for coming to Biella. The people were supportive whether we won or lost.

As far as the competition goes, international basketball is a lot more competitive than the collegiate level. In college you usually have 1 or 2–if your lucky 3 good players–on your team. That’s enough to carry you to a national championship. In Europe, every person on the team makes nearly a million dollars and they have been playing together for years. Countries stand behind their hometown team. It’s bigger and the competition is greater.

In college when a team or player misses a defensive assignment, the opposing team may not be good enough to execute and punish the team for messing up. If you leave someone open in Europe they will punish you every time. Through my experience I feel like individually one person can’t beat a team overseas, as opposed to the States where teams usually have one go-to-guy that will carry the team the entire game. However as a team, Europe is perfect for learning how to play the game right. Knowing when to make the right passes, when to run on a fast break or slow the tempo down, who to get the ball to when the time is right, all comes in to play when you play team basketball. I think in the States we have more of an individual game, not to say that we don’t have great teams. But during NCAA games you see more isolation sets than you do overseas.

TV: Last year, you had a phenomenal summer league. You quickly became a fan favorite amongst Spurs fans–they were disappointed not to see you camp with the team. How has your game improved since then? What specific skills did you work on in Biella?

JG: I became more mature as a basketball player. I had the chance to play with and against some good veteran players. They may not have been as young or as athletic as me, but they made it work and found other ways to be effective on the court. That helped me understand how to play the game and the important things I needed to know, whether a small trick and how to effectively use technique without relying on pure athleticism. I learned how to be more physical, improved my shooting, and worked hard on being at full energy the entire time I’m on the court. But most of all, I improved my basketball IQ. I understand the game much better now than I did even a year ago.

TV: Do you plan to summer league and camp with the Spurs? If not, is a team like Maccabi in your future?

JG: My plan is to play in the NBA summer league this upcoming July, preferably with the Spurs. My overall goal is to be on an NBA team this upcoming season, again preferably the Spurs. If for some reason that does not happen then I’m sure I can play overseas.

TV: One of the things Spurs fans debate amongst themselves is whether you’re a long 3 or a high energy, small ball 4. Assuming you come to the NBA next season, what position do you think is a more natural fit?

JG: I’m a little bit of both. I have the potential to develop into a 3 offensively, but defensively I’m comfortable guarding small and power forwards, as well as some point or shooting guards if necessary. I’ve played in the post area my entire life so naturally I can play the 4, but I can see myself developing into a solid 3 man in the near future.

TV: The Spurs feature a “stretch 4″ in their offense. That is, a forward that is able to knock down threes and create space for Tim Duncan. Based on your play for Biella, it looks like you could fill that role. How does a Robert Horry type role appeal to you?

JG: Robert Horry did great things while playing in the NBA, so those are big shoes to fill. I want to come into the NBA and start my own legacy, if possible. I plan to work hard and do whatever I can to help the team I play with win games. If I work hard enough maybe I will hit game winning shots and win championships too.

TV: I was at the Draft Combine a couple weeks ago. Every player there expected to be on an NBA roster next season. Obviously, that isn’t going to happen. What advice would you give to guys who will soon find themselves in your position? That is, of being asked to play abroad for a season or two to improve their games prior to coming to the NBA. What advice might you give Greivis Vasquez?

JG: I would say that if a team suggest you do one or two years overseas, take that opportunity to learn and grow and experience new things. In the end it will pay off. Before I came over here I thought I knew everything and thought I was more grown up than I actually was. This was my first time living by myself with no family or friends nearby. I had to try and learn a new language so that I could communicate with people here, and I had to adjust to my surroundings. Now that I’ve completed my year I’m better ball player and, more importantly, a better person. As for Greivis, I wish him nothing but luck in whether he decides to stay in the draft this year or go back to Maryland. (Ed. Note: Vasquez has decided to return to school.)

Thanks for your time, James. Good luck.

In this interview along with some others, Gist says he see's himself as a 3 and his coach mentions this as well. He also talks about learning directly from Bruce (but he is gone now).

So I do not think it is out the window for Gist being used as a 3. It would be better for him if he could. Is it possible, I do not know? But I remember "biz" saying he could play the 3.

ChumpDumper

07-05-2009, 02:53 PM

Unclench. There is no way he is getting part of the MLE while Sheed, et.al., are still out there.

024

07-05-2009, 02:56 PM

Givony at DX knocks his rebounding at one point, but KBP is right here, at least in principle. Rpg numbers are in general lower in Yurp.

well the knock on scola was unjustified since he averaged above 9 rebounds per 40 minutes for a long period of time in europe. splitter gets around 8-9 per 40 while haislip averages around 7 rebounds per 40. even in europe, for a PF, that would be average to below average. gist manages to get 8.9 per 40 this year, albeit against weaker competition.

DPG21920

07-05-2009, 02:59 PM

This is nothing to get overly excited about or worried about.

1) We do not even know if it is true
2) He is certainly not getting the MLE or any part of it.
3) If he is a LLE player, he is the 3rd or 4th big more than likely
4) He could be a bust and his ceiling does not seem to be extremely high, so no need to call him Amare.
5) He would only be taking Gist's spot more than likely and if he can/does make the team and gets minutes, that is a good thing.

45 bank shot

07-05-2009, 03:10 PM

so there's nothing official yet right?
prolly another scam like the one with Bourouroursisisiss

45 bank shot

07-05-2009, 03:15 PM

Spurs reach deal with power forward Haislip

By Jeff McDonald

The Spurs have landed their first big free-agent of the summer. And it isn’t Rasheed Wallace.

The Spurs have agreed to contract terms with Marcus Haislip, a 6-foot-10 former lottery pick of the Milwaukee Bucks who has been playing in Europe since washing out of the NBA in 2005.

Widely regarded as one of the top free agents in Europe this offseason, the 28-year-old Haislip is expected to sign with the Spurs not long after the NBA’s moratorium on offseason business expires Wednesday.

The move does not put the Spurs out of contention for Wallace, Antonio McDyess or any of the other NBA big men they have been courting since free agency opened last week.

Still, Haislip’s addition at power forward should be an intriguing one for the Spurs, who have been stocking up on frontcourt options since including Kurt Thomas and Fabricio Oberto in the June 23 trade that brought swingman Richard Jefferson from Milwaukee.

The terms of the Spurs’ offer remain unclear, though it is likely to start at the veteran’s minimum.

For the Spurs to remain in the hunt for Wallace or another high-level NBA big man, they will need to save their full mid-level exception, slated to be worth about $5.6 million. Wallace, who is set to visit San Antonio this week, already has an offer on the table from Boston starting at that amount.

The Spurs also have at their disposal a biannual exception, projected to be worth about $1.9 million.

Haislip was the 13th pick in 2002 draft out of Tennessee, but flamed out after two seasons in Milwaukee. The Bucks declined to pick up the third-year option on his rookie contract, and Haislip wound up in Indiana for one season in 2004-05.

After that, he bounced overseas to Europe, spending the past two seasons with the Spanish team Unicaja Malaga.

A highlight-reel dunker dating to his days at Tennessee, Haislip worked in Europe to buff his offensive game to an NBA polish. He averaged 16.5 points in Spain last season.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/49978952.html

kace

07-05-2009, 03:20 PM

I would take this news with a huge grain of salt. As we saw with that big Greek kid, European sports reporting isn't always accurate -- to say the least. This news could be accurate but it could be pure speculation or an agent trying to generate interest in his client.

:lol

1- you just can't generalize the journalism, even on the net, of all Europan countries like if it was the same everywhere.

2- there are very reliable sports web sites in europe and there should be some ones not really reliable in US too.

typical us citizen post.

Obstructed_View

07-05-2009, 03:22 PM

I guess it worries me some that the Google news top article about Haislip are, in order:

Spurs reach deal with power forward Haislip

and

Worst... free agent signing... ever

:lol

What the hell do I know? I didn't know who Roger Mason was.

Vic Petro

07-05-2009, 03:22 PM

Getting him for the minimum is a great move. The MLE and LLE are still available, there is still the possible acquisition of a big via trade with Bonner/Finley/Williams package...lots of options for pop and crazy eyes.

bless1187

07-05-2009, 03:24 PM

what is the bi-annual exception, i never really heard of that one.

Kori Ellis

07-05-2009, 03:24 PM

what is the bi-annual exception, i never really heard of that one.

That's the LLE.

kbrury

07-05-2009, 03:24 PM

the lle

timvp

07-05-2009, 03:24 PM

you just can't generalize

typical us citizen post.

:lol

DPG21920

07-05-2009, 03:25 PM

bless1187

07-05-2009, 03:27 PM

timvp

07-05-2009, 03:30 PM

The Spurs have agreed to contract terms with Marcus Haislip, a 6-foot-10 former lottery pick of the Milwaukee Bucks who has been playing in Europe since washing out of the NBA in 2005.Nice scoop, Bruno :tu

Looks like McDonald saw it on the forum and asked R.C. to get confirmation. Perhaps this has been in the works for a while and that's why R.C. mentioned players coming over from Europe.

It'd be interesting to know if the Spurs could have scouted any of Haislip's games when everyone was over there earlier in the summer. If Pop got a look at him and gave him the okay, I'd feel better about this signing.

Overall, Spurs fans should be pleased. Everyone has been asking for more athletes and the Spurs landed perhaps the most athletic bigman in Europe for what sounds like the minimum.

Can't complain about this move. Who knows if Haislip will amount to anything but I like the fact that the Spurs are looking for this type of skillset.

Ditty

07-05-2009, 03:31 PM

hopefully bonner is n his way out along with finley for a small foward

PBEEZY

07-05-2009, 03:32 PM

kbrury

07-05-2009, 03:32 PM

an athletic bigman who can shoot the three and drive for cheap, cant complain.

timvp

07-05-2009, 03:34 PM

i don't really get why we are stockpiling all these PF.

T. Parker / G. Hill / J. McClinton
R. Mason / M. Ginobili
R. Jefferson / M. Finley
R. Wallace / D. Blair / M. Haslip / M. Bonner
T. Duncan / I. Mahinmi

Wallace isn't on the team. Blair and Mahinmi are good prospects but there's no guarantee that they'll be ready to produce this year. Bonner is coming off of a playoff run that saw him crash and burn. Gist is still raw.

The Spurs needed to sign two more bigs. I think it's a pretty good idea to sign Haislip to a cheap contract. The alternative is to go with a veteran big that no one else wants .... and there's very limited upside in that route. At least Haislip has potential to surprise.

Spurs fans shouldn't be celebrating or anything but signing a guy who flunked out of the NBA, went to Europe, refined his game, became one of the best players overseas and is hungry to prove himself isn't a bad thing.

clubalien

07-05-2009, 03:35 PM

I see everyone talking about him being athletic. I was wondering does he play like a young shawn kemp?

MarHill

07-05-2009, 03:36 PM

Nice scoop, Bruno :tu

Looks like McDonald saw it on the forum and asked R.C. to get confirmation. Perhaps this has been in the works for a while and that's why R.C. mentioned players coming over from Europe.

It'd be interesting to know if the Spurs could have scouted any of Haislip's games when everyone was over there earlier in the summer. If Pop got a look at him and gave him the okay, I'd feel better about this signing.

Overall, Spurs fans should be pleased. Everyone has been asking for more athletes and the Spurs landed perhaps the most athletic bigman in Europe for what sounds like the minimum.

Can't complain about this move. Who knows if Haislip will amount to anything but I like the fact that the Spurs are looking for this type of skillset.

I'm with you, Timvp!

The Spurs fans have been asking the FO to get younger and the last two seasons they have started to do that!

Now...we still have some Spurs fans complaining! Yikes!! :wow

Obviously, they made an excellent move in getting Jefferson and now another move to get Haslip.

I must admit I don't know much about him. But this is the same FO who found Manu, Tony, George Hill, and signed Roger Mason.

Let's give them some credit and see what happens next week with either McDyess or Sheed.

:flag:

bigdog

07-05-2009, 03:37 PM

Well, it's a good thing that the Spurs are looking for athletic players now. If he does have a consistent jumpshot, this could be a decent signing. It might not be great, but could turn out good. He ended up as one of the best players in Europe, so bringing him back to the NBA can't be a bad thing.

kace

07-05-2009, 03:38 PM

:lol

maybe that was on purpose ;)

anyway, is there anyone who've seen him play enough in europe to give his opinion.

KBP did that and it doesn't seem really good from what he said.

any other member opinion ?

Bruno

07-05-2009, 03:41 PM

Parker2112

07-05-2009, 03:42 PM

I'm with you, Timvp!

gluck, gluck, gluck...:lol

MarHill

07-05-2009, 03:45 PM

gluck, gluck, gluck...:lol

Yeah...I know!!

But when someone is right (whether is Spurs fan or even Laker fan)

I will give them credit!!

But, if I disagree...I will express my opinion like I've done a lot on this forum.

Ask SenorSpur or Allanon or Lakaluva or the notorious Dr. House (LOL!! Just kidding)....have I expressed my disagreements with them.

:toast

kace

07-05-2009, 03:45 PM

If his contract is guaranteed (and I really think he is), Spurs should be quite high on him.

There are a lot of question marks at PF/C with Blair, Mahinmi and maybe Gist. The logical move would have been to add some stability to this group with some vets PF/C. Spurs have instead added another question mark. Spurs should think that Haislip will likely turn into a solid NBA player to take that risk.

if we land Sheed, that could be: Duncan, Sheed, Blair, Mahinmi, Haislip and Bonner ?

for what i see, that's one sure thing with Tim and 5 gambles. 2 young unproven players, 1 who has yet to prove something in the NBA, 1 who has yet to prove something in the PO (where it matters) and 1 that has yet to prove he has something left in the tank and that he will fit our team.

a lot of questions for our frontcourt.

benefactor

07-05-2009, 03:47 PM

It seems like a decent depth pickup on paper. Spurs fans are slobbering over Gist but this guy looked far superior to Gist last year in overseas play.

Aggie Hoopsfan

07-05-2009, 03:47 PM

hopefully bonner is n his way out along with finley for a small foward

Yeah, maybe we can find a guy like Richard Jefferson. Oh wait...

Parker2112

07-05-2009, 03:47 PM

No problem with that...

I am astounded by the amount of donative felatio that timvp recieves on a daily basis.

That said, his insight makes this board.

Gluck, gluck, gluck.

timvp

07-05-2009, 03:50 PM

If his contract is guaranteed (and I really think he is), Spurs should be quite high on him.

There are a lot of question marks at PF/C with Blair, Mahinmi and maybe Gist. The logical move would have been to add some stability to this group with some vets PF/C. Spurs have instead added another question mark. Spurs should think that Haislip will likely turn into a solid NBA player to take that risk.

If it's guaranteed, then kinda tells me that the Spurs are confident they will land a quality big. Blair, Mahinmi, Bonner and Haislip isn't a bad set of backup bigs if the starters are Duncan and Wallace (or McDyess).

But now if the bigs end up being Duncan, Blair, Mahinmi, Bonner, Haislip and Brandon Bass or Big Baby ... then it may be time to worry. In this scenario, someone like Rasho or Oberto are much safer than Haislip.

benefactor

07-05-2009, 03:52 PM

I guess it wouldn't be a Spurs offseason if they didn't bring in some guy from Europe that most of us haven't ever heard of...even if he is American. :)

Spurs Brazil

07-05-2009, 03:53 PM

The terms of the Spurs’ offer remain unclear, though it is likely to start at the veteran’s minimum.

That's good news. So we still have both exception

If we can sign Sheed or McDyess I like our big man rotation.

2 old guys who will finish games, TD and Wallace or McDyess, instant rebound with Blair, 3PT specialist with Bonner and 2 athletic guys in Ian and Haislip

No Oberto and no Gist for next season

HarlemHeat37

07-05-2009, 03:54 PM

Our bench is going to be very intriguing this season..

looking at it right now, assuming we can get Wallace or McDyess(which isn't a guarantee at all of course), we would have an above average bench with Manu, Hill, Bonner, and Finley..the great thing is that our bench has A LOT of room to grow..potentially by the middle of next season, the Spurs could have the best bench in the NBA, at least IMO..we have some nice prospects off the bench in Blair, Mahinmi, Haislip, and the possibilities of the returning Bowen, with a combination from Gist, McClinton, and Hairston..

I like how it's shaping up..potential is just potential though, so we'll see how it works out..

MarHill

07-05-2009, 03:57 PM

if we land Sheed, that could be: Duncan, Sheed, Blair, Mahinmi, Haislip and Bonner ?

for what i see, that's one sure thing with Tim and 5 gambles. 2 young unproven players, 1 who has yet to prove something in the NBA, 1 who has yet to prove something in the PO (where it matters) and 1 that has yet to prove he has something left in the tank and that he will fit our team.

a lot of questions for our frontcourt.

Of course....there will be questions! That's what happens when you get young, unproven players.

It seems like Spurs fans want to play both sides of the fence.

One hand they said get rid of the old players.

Well...the Spurs have done that and gotten younger!

Now..they are saying there are a lot of questions know in our frontcourt!!

In life.....when you a take a risk there will always be questions...but you do it anyway!

It looks like the FO have made good decisions (RJ) and taken risks. (Haslip)

But, if there's no pain....there will be no gain.

Parker2112

07-05-2009, 03:57 PM

Nothing wrong with giving all these youngsters a shot and seeing which one wants it the most...

A little competition may also be the way to see what Ian is really worth.

Bruno

07-05-2009, 03:59 PM

If it's guaranteed, then kinda tells me that the Spurs are confident they will land a quality big. Blair, Mahinmi, Bonner and Haislip isn't a bad set of backup bigs if the starters are Duncan and Wallace (or McDyess).

It's a bench with 3 players that have played a combined 23 minutes in the NBA since 2005 and a player who has badly choked in the playoffs.
Even behind 2 solid bigs, it's quite a gamble.

If Spurs start the season like that, they surely will keep in mind "if things went wrong with our prospects, we will do a mid-season trade for a solid big".

biziofromdowntown

07-05-2009, 04:01 PM

IMO:

T. Parker / G. Hill
R. Mason / M. Ginobili / J. mcClinton
R. Jefferson / M. Finley / J. Gist
T. Duncan / D. Blair / M. Haslip
R.Wallace / I. Mahinmi / M. Bonner

Parker2112

07-05-2009, 04:01 PM

IMO, the spurs have fortified the starting spots for another run or two, while simultaneously throwing young legs in the mix to see which ones might contribute to our future.

Best possible gameplan under the circumstances.

Spurs Brazil

07-05-2009, 04:03 PM

Parker2112

07-05-2009, 04:04 PM

IMO:

T. Parker / G. Hill
R. Mason / M. Ginobili / J. mcClinton
R. Jefferson / M. Finley / J. Gist
T. Duncan / D. Blair / M. Haslip
R.Wallace / I. Mahinmi / M. Bonner

I would like to see Malik Hairston make the squad. I don't think Gist is a 3 either. And hopefully one of these young guys will show bonner to the exit via trade...

benefactor

07-05-2009, 04:08 PM

It's a bench with 3 players that have played a combined 23 minutes in the NBA since 2005 and a player who has badly choked in the playoffs.
Even behind 2 solid bigs, it's quite a gamble.

If Spurs start the season like that, they surely will keep in mind "if things went wrong with our prospects, we will do a mid-season trade for a solid big".
...which why I think it's likely they will at least attempt to get the feelers out on a trade before the season starts...probably something similar to what has been previously discussed on here(Bonner/Finley for Collison/Foster). That type of trade makes even more sense now because Haislip is a shooting big.

z0sa

07-05-2009, 04:08 PM

And hopefully one of these young guys will show bonner to the exit via trade...

Not.

timvp

07-05-2009, 04:12 PM

If Spurs start the season like that, they surely will keep in mind "if things went wrong with our prospects, we will do a mid-season trade for a solid big".

I wonder if Presti would let go of Collison if the Spurs reunite Presti with Mahinmi.

Sway

07-05-2009, 04:14 PM

Fans on this board are never happy. The FO signs a young super athletic player, that is one of the better PF prospects in Europe, to a cheap contract and people still complain. You can’t complain about being too old and then turn around and complain about being too young. The man love for Gist is also getting ridiculous. He may end up being a better player 3-4 years from now but for next year Haislip is a MUCH better player and is proven. Hell he is probably better than Ian at this point. But, people will still complain.

VivaPopovich

07-05-2009, 04:17 PM

Interrohater

07-05-2009, 04:19 PM

Bruno

07-05-2009, 04:21 PM

I wonder if Presti would let go of Collison if the Spurs reunite Presti with Mahinmi.

Trading Mahinmi? :bang

Presti has found his "Mahinmi" with Ibaka. Ibaka has had a damn good season in Spain and could turn into the real deal.

IMO, Collison is the most likely trade target for Spurs. I can see Thunder trading him to develop younger players and to have more cap space in 2010.

Parker2112

07-05-2009, 04:22 PM

Not.

Outside of 3-point shooting, Bonner is bare minimum at every turn (rebounding, D, floor IQ). I don't care if he shoots 60% from 3 during the season, if he can't show up during the playoffs we don't need him. We have a squad that can win the division, we need guys that can make plays when the heat is on.:sombrero:

z0sa

07-05-2009, 04:25 PM

Outside of 3-point shooting, Bonner is bare minimum at every turn (rebounding, D, floor IQ). I don't care if he shoots 60% from 3 during the season, if he can't show up during the playoffs we don't need him. We have a squad that can win the division, we need guys that can make plays when the heat is on.:sombrero:

This post is filled entirely with Bonner hate cliches.

benefactor

07-05-2009, 04:28 PM

Outside of 3-point shooting, Bonner is bare minimum at every turn (rebounding, D, floor IQ). I don't care if he shoots 60% from 3 during the season, if he can't show up during the playoffs we don't need him. We have a squad that can win the division, we need guys that can make plays when the heat is on.:sombrero:
Lol...don't even try man. z0sa is the biggest Bonner defender on this site. You are not going to get anywhere with him.

Sway

07-05-2009, 04:28 PM

What I'm not getting is that this guy looks like a more polished Pops Mensah-Bonsu, so you would think that he'd have a whole bunch of support in these forums

Another thing is that I think this guy will come hungry and ready to learn. From the spanish article, it seems as if he really really wanted to get back in the NBA, regardless of the money and I'm thinking that'll translate to super-intensity and mega-hustle

Yeah I know. He seems like what Pops or Gist can be in a couple years IF they continue to improve. I also like his "dont f*ck with me" attitude. Did you see that right hook he threw at the end of the youtube highlight? While I dont condone fighting on the court it will be nice to have that attitude.

Parker2112

07-05-2009, 04:31 PM

the cliches are usually spot on.

However, more than that, it's not so much about Bonner as it's about what the young guys (isn't this thread about Hairslip?) can bring to the table that we've been missing: length, athleticism, rebounding, interior presence, dunking on folks, etc.

Bonner just happens to be the antithesis of all that. The man's best move on the defensive end is to stick his arms up straight and hope the shooter throws the ball off them:lol

Kill_Bill_Pana

07-05-2009, 04:32 PM

Wallace isn't on the team. Blair and Mahinmi are good prospects but there's no guarantee that they'll be ready to produce this year. Bonner is coming off of a playoff run that saw him crash and burn. Gist is still raw.

The Spurs needed to sign two more bigs. I think it's a pretty good idea to sign Haislip to a cheap contract. The alternative is to go with a veteran big that no one else wants .... and there's very limited upside in that route. At least Haislip has potential to surprise.

Spurs fans shouldn't be celebrating or anything but signing a guy who flunked out of the NBA, went to Europe, refined his game, became one of the best players overseas and is hungry to prove himself isn't a bad thing.

Stop exaggerating. He was not one of the best players in Europe. Why do NBA fans always do this? They exaggerate every player from Europe as soon as he signs an NBA contract. He was one of the better power forwards in Spain. Not one of the best players in Europe.

Kill_Bill_Pana

07-05-2009, 04:33 PM

DPG21920

07-05-2009, 04:34 PM

Where would you rank him in Europe KBP?

timvp

07-05-2009, 04:34 PM

Stop exaggerating. He was not one of the best players in Europe. Why do NBA fans always do this? They exaggerate every player from Europe as soon as he signs an NBA contract. He was one of the better power forwards in Spain. Not one of the best players in Europe.

How are those Bursitis rumors going? Still think the Spurs were going to sign him for the MLE?

rofl

biziofromdowntown

07-05-2009, 04:35 PM

KBP, this time u aren't totally wrong...but i rank him with one of 10 better PF in Europe.

z0sa

07-05-2009, 04:36 PM

Lol...don't even try man. z0sa is the biggest Bonner defender on this site. You are not going to get anywhere with him.

If he could earn guaranteed minutes as a backup, he'd be one of the best backup bigs in the L. Off the bench, he'd be pitted against less talented competition. I think he could continue building on last regular season+game 2 of the playoffs. He's not a bad defender and he's improved his rotations greatly since 2008, contrary to popular belief. To the point where he's actually a solid help defender with his positioning.

He's also a surefire shooter when there's not immense pressure for him to produce. Give him more time and he could improve further, especially if we have a deep playoff run this year where he gets burn. Additionally, Bonner producing off the bench would discourage Pop from going to smallball I think.

Kill_Bill_Pana

07-05-2009, 04:36 PM

maybe that was on purpose ;)

anyway, is there anyone who've seen him play enough in europe to give his opinion.

KBP did that and it doesn't seem really good from what he said.

any other member opinion ?

He is athletic of course and can dunk obviously. But really he is not that good to be honest. He can be completely taken out of a game and dominated against some of the big Euroleague clubs. Far from one of the best players in Europe like foolish NBA Spurs fans are already making up these lies. Typical of the nonsense and idiocy towards European basketball here.

But still he is certainly better than Bonner I think.

anakha

07-05-2009, 04:37 PM

Haislip would be considered possibly a top 10 PF in Euroleague level.

He was one of the better power forwards in Spain. Not one of the best players in Europe.

So which one is it?

crc21209

07-05-2009, 04:39 PM

Never heard of this guy...but for a minimum-type deal it's a steal. :tu. This team is getting even younger and athletic by the minute.

benefactor

07-05-2009, 04:42 PM

If he could earn guaranteed minutes as a backup, he'd be one of the best backup bigs in the L. Off the bench, he'd be pitted against less talented competition. I think he could continue building on last regular season+game 2 of the playoffs. He's not a bad defender and he's improved his rotations greatly since 2008, contrary to popular belief. To the point where he's actually a solid help defender with his positioning.

He's also a surefire shooter when there's not immense pressure for him to produce. Give him more time and he could improve further, especially if we have a deep playoff run this year where he gets burn.
Too bad he will be playing in OKC this year. I think they have a shot at the playoffs, so maybe he can show them something.

z0sa

07-05-2009, 04:43 PM

Too bad he will be playing in OKC this year. I think they have a shot at the playoffs, so maybe he can show them something.

Ironic underappreciated Bonner and his oft-hated contract may be key to us acquiring different talent.

Parker2112

07-05-2009, 04:46 PM

If he could earn guaranteed minutes as a backup, he'd be one of the best backup bigs in the L. Off the bench, he'd be pitted against less talented competition. I think he could continue building on last regular season+game 2 of the playoffs. He's not a bad defender and he's improved his rotations greatly since 2008, contrary to popular belief. To the point where he's actually a solid help defender with his positioning.

He's also a surefire shooter when there's not immense pressure for him to produce. Give him more time and he could improve further, especially if we have a deep playoff run this year where he gets burn. Additionally, Bonner producing off the bench would discourage Pop from going to smallball I think.

I don't think you can consider him better than a lot of backups in the league. I'd take Kaman, Pryzbila, Dalembert, Gortat, the list goes on...

While I will concede this guy is oimproving, better talent is out there. Hence, trade him.

biziofromdowntown

07-05-2009, 04:46 PM

So which one is it?

What about Smodis or Andersen?

jjktkk

07-05-2009, 04:49 PM

With the economical crisis, I would say min salary.

Spurs going after Haislip likely means that Gist won't be with the team next year.

You think Haslip's main competition this summer would be Gist then? With the loser gone or sent to Austin?

Texas_Ranger

07-05-2009, 04:49 PM

What about Smodis or Andersen?

Smodis is better than Andersen.

z0sa

07-05-2009, 04:51 PM

I don't think you can consider him better than a lot of backups in the league. I'd take Kaman, Pryzbila, Dalembert, Gortat, the list goes on...

While I will concede this guy is oimproving, better talent is out there. Hence, trade him.

Good job comparing apples to oranges and I said one of the best, a few of those started at times last season and will do it again as well while Bonner would be a true backup next season... None of those guys can shoot the ball whatsoever, either. If you wanted a big bruiser you wouldn't want matt Bonner (though he is quite strong downlow). This team will already have two bruisers upfront (most likely). You can bring a tall, lethal shooter off the bench, like Pop has done for years now, you create space for the less-talented bench players to work without sacrificing size. I bet most coaches would agree that's a nice option to have. Additionally, against backups Bonner would improve his rebounding.

murpjf88

07-05-2009, 04:52 PM

what I think the spurs should do is dump George Hill and pick up Nate Robinson. The last thing I want to see is Nate on L.A.

Parker2112

07-05-2009, 04:57 PM

Good job comparing apples to oranges... None of those guys can shoot the ball whatsoever, either. If you wanted a big bruiser you wouldn't want matt Bonner (though he is quite strong downlow). This team will already have two bruisers upfront (most likely). You can bring a tall, lethal shooter off the bench, like Pop has done for years now, you create space for the less-talented bench players to work without sacrificing size. I bet most coaches would agree that's a nice option to have. Additionally, against backups Bonner would improve his rebounding.

This is obvious, but if these youngsters show Bonner up through camp, I think *POP* might rethink Bonner, because even though he is a shooter, his defensive liabilities might be his undoing. Pop might take a different approach if a young defensive ace comes along.

Then we could always sign sheed and send Bonner packing that way...(fingers crossed)

HarlemHeat37

07-05-2009, 04:57 PM

The Lakers can only sign Nate Robinson to the minimum IIRC, which he won't take IMO, or get him in a trade, which probably won't happen..

he's also just an offensive player, and he has a bad attitude/temper..

Kill_Bill_Pana

07-05-2009, 05:00 PM

Where would you rank him in Europe KBP?

I would ranke these Euroleague power forwards all better than him

Mike Batiste
Felipe Reyes
Matjaz Smodis
Ioannis Bourousis
Ksystof Lavrinovic
Antonis Fotsis
David Andersen
Viktor Khryapa
Ersan Ilyasova
Mirsad Turkcan
Lior Eliyahu
Novicka Velickovic
Shaun Stonerook
Mirza Teletovic
Jorge Garbajosa

So I would rate him about maybe 16th best PF in Euroleague. Actually, he is also debatable with Georgios Printezis, Andre Hutson, Dimos Dikoudis, Terrence Morris, Stephane Lasme

You could probably argue for any one of them being better than him also. But I will put him above them because either he has done more in Europe than some of them or he is younger than some of them that are declining already.

Haislip is an NBA level player and is better than Bonner but Spurs fans are nuts if they think he is one of the best players in Europe.

angelbelow

07-05-2009, 05:03 PM

I would ranke these Euroleague power forwards all better than him

Mike Batiste
Felipe Reyes
Matjaz Smodis
Ioannis Bourousis
Ksystof Lavrinovic
Antonis Fotsis
David Andersen
Viktor Khryapa
Ersan Ilyasova
Mirsad Turkcan
Lior Eliyahu
Novicka Velickovic
Shaun Stonerook
Mirza Teletovic
Jorge Garbajosa

So I would rate him about maybe 16th best PF in Euroleague. Actually, he is also debatable with Georgios Printezis, Andre Hutson, Dimos Dikoudis, Terrence Morris, Stephane Lasme

You could probably argue for any one of them being better than him also. But I will put him above them because either he has done more in Europe than some of them or he is younger than some of them that are declining already.

Haislip is an NBA level player and is better than Bonner but Spurs fans are nuts if they think he is one of the best players in Europe.

thats good to know. for the minimum this could really be a steal. a potential high reward and low risk move.

Mugen

07-05-2009, 05:05 PM

I would ranke these Euroleague power forwards all better than him

Mike Batiste
Felipe Reyes
Matjaz Smodis
Ioannis Bourousis
Ksystof Lavrinovic
Antonis Fotsis
David Andersen
Viktor Khryapa
Ersan Ilyasova
Mirsad Turkcan
Lior Eliyahu
Novicka Velickovic
Shaun Stonerook
Mirza Teletovic
Jorge Garbajosa

So I would rate him about maybe 16th best PF in Euroleague. Actually, he is also debatable with Georgios Printezis, Andre Hutson, Dimos Dikoudis, Terrence Morris, Stephane Lasme

You could probably argue for any one of them being better than him also. But I will put him above them because either he has done more in Europe than some of them or he is younger than some of them that are declining already.

Haislip is an NBA level player and is better than Bonner but Spurs fans are nuts if they think he is one of the best players in Europe.

hmm that bourousis guy sounds like an interesting prospect...

jjktkk

07-05-2009, 05:08 PM

Disagree.

If Spurs sign a bigman with their MLE (Sheed, McDyess...) and Haislip contract is guaranteed, Spurs will have 6 bigmen under contract (Duncan, MLE big, Bonner, Blair, Mahinmi and Haislip). There isn't room left for Gist.

Before the SL, odds are against Gist to make the team next year. He will need something like him being great in SL and Mahinmi being bad in SL to improve his odds.

Unless Gist proves he can guard the periemter 3's and 4's. Then, maybe he improves his %'s of making the squad.

Kill_Bill_Pana

07-05-2009, 05:09 PM

hmm that bourousis guy sounds like an interesting prospect...

Bourousis' backup Printezis is replacing Haislip in Malaga and the team's Gm said that Printezis is an upgrade over Haislip. So Bourousis' backup is an upgrade over Haislip.

So this should put it in perspective for you. I ranked Haislip over Printezis because Haislip has done more than him in Euroleague but in reality actually it is true that Printezis is a much better talent and better player than Haislip is. He is just young and just starting to mature but certainly when he is 28 he should be way better than Haislip is now. This is the backup to Bourousis.

Mugen

07-05-2009, 05:11 PM

Bourousis' backup Printezis is replacing Haislip in Malaga and the team's Gm said that Printezis is an upgrade over Haislip. So Bourousis' backup is an upgrade over Haislip.

So this should put it in perspective for you. I ranked Haislip over Printezis because Haislip has done more than him in Euroleague but in reality actually it is true that Printezis is a much better talent and better player than Haislip is. He is just young and just starting to mature but certainly when he is 28 he should be way better than Haislip is now. This is the backup to Bourousis.

i don't believe you.