Kidd Re-Signs with Mavs, 3 years $25M

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

According to Ric Bucher twitter.

[Shastafarian]

So he'll be making around what Devin Harris makes. :stirpot:

[Unholy Turkey]

In before "We like our boys in blue."

[Ghazi]

Good news. Now lets make some trades baby!

[KidCongo]

in before "we like our boys in blue."

ibwlobib.

[Amarelooms]

Finally that prick showed some loyalty. Now his sorry ass better try and attract some players in the upcoming years...esp when Cuban is paying him well more than what he's worth :elephant

[Unholy Turkey]

:lol

EDIT: But that's a really good value for him.

Gortat coming soon?

[sook]

WOW

3 yrs?

wtf :lol

[Amarelooms]

WOW

3 yrs?

wtf :lol

Calm down douche....Mavs will probably trade him in the last year of his contract so it's only really 2 years :elephant

[Spursmania]

Did you even want him for that long? How old is he now, 35?

[JamStone]

He's 36 right now. 3 years? I guess they had to keep the second most productive player in the league by offering some kind of incentive.

[carrao45]

Calm down douche....Mavs will probably trade him in the last year of his contract so it's only really 2 years :elephant

Who would want a 39 year old Jason Kidd?

[Amarelooms]

Who would want a 39 year old Jason Kidd?

Expiring contract genius....you don't know NBA basketball..please stop posting. Thanks :elephant

[kamikazi_player]

lol

[sribb43]

Who would want a 39 year old Jason Kidd?

Who would have ever thought anyone would have wanted Kwame Fuckin' Brown? The Grizz did bc he had an expiring contract. If Kwame is wanted in a deal, anyone can be dealt

[Findog]

Resigned Kidd: +
Added Gortat: +
Added Ross: +

Trade Stack/Damp for a scoring 2/backup big: pending

[MarHill]

No surprise there! Cuban was going to do everything he could to keep J. Kidd.

He has to save face on the trade for him. He will finish his career as a Maverick!

[Ghazi]

Kidd isn't overpaid at all, this is a pretty fair deal IMO. In spite of his age/dropoff he's still a top 10 PG who gives:

1. 40% 3-PT shooting
2. premier rebounding PG
3. capable wing defender
4. good passing (duh)
5. durability-missed only 1 game outta 126 as a Maverick
6. Intangibles-people mock that "2nd best player in league" thing by Cuban, but its based off respectable statistics such as on/off and adjusted +/-, both of which Kidd finished in Top 10 last year. So even if his box scores aren't impressive, Kidd still has a significant impact on games. Not insinuating he's a top 10 player, of course, just saying.


We love our Kidd!

[SpursDynasty]

Fail.

Kidd brought the winning % down in Dallas. Why re-sign?

[Findog]

They should never have made the trade...but they didn't have a better option than Kidd unless they wanted to make a lateral move and give up JET or Howard. This is called taking care of your business, nothing more or less. He's a part of their plans and they were able to resign him without breaking the bank. I'm sure it will be weighted up-front for cap flexibility.

[sribb43]

Fail.

Kidd brought the winning % down in Dallas. Why re-sign?

FAIL..the more posts you make, the more your IQ drops

[sribb43]

The final determination on what kind of team the Mavs will be next season will be a result of what they do with Damp/Stack;s contract. We should know within a month bc Stack's $2mil buyout expires Aug 10

[DMX7]

Who would have ever thought anyone would have wanted Kwame Fuckin' Brown? The Grizz did bc he had an expiring contract. If Kwame is wanted in a deal, anyone can be dealt

At least Kwame was Young though.

[howardcopy]

This deal will end up killing the Mavericks over the course of the deal. Cuban was forced to overpay for Kidd and will regret this deal before the deal expires.

[baseline bum]

Who would want a 39 year old Jason Kidd?

Donnie Nelson

[Ghazi]

This deal will end up killing the Mavericks over the course of the deal. Cuban was forced to overpay for Kidd and will regret this deal before the deal expires.


:rolleyes

[mavsfan1000]

Yes Kidd will put us over the top just like the last 2 years. Great job Cuban. :rolleyes

[Ghazi]

Yes Kidd will put us over the top just like the last 2 years. Great job Cuban. :rolleyes

So we shoulda let him walk and let Barea start eh?

stfu k thx

[Findog]

When is the press conference?

Probably July 8th

[bresilhac]

At least Kwame was Young though.

Anyway you slice it, it doesn't matter. Kwame Brown is one of the great draft busts of all time. No team should ever trade for Kwame Brown. As a former number one pick his career has been a complete disaster.

[sribb43]

So we shoulda let him walk and let Barea start eh?

stfu k thx

or start BoBo

[monosylab1k]

I'd rather they let him walk and make a move for Ramon Sessions or Kirk Hinrich. Obviously there was no guarantee that a move of that sort could be made, but what disturbs me is that I doubt Cuban even considered something like that.

Overall I like that Kidd is back.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

3 years for a player that was washed up 4 or 5 years ago?

[Shank]

Why are people so riled up about the amount? It's not my money and Cuban has already shown he'll spend over the LT number. Big deal.

Side note, though somewhat related - is that Knicks roster just a bunch of pieces of shit or what?

[sribb43]

Why are people so riled up about the amount? It's not my money and Cuban has already shown he'll spend over the LT number. Big deal.

Side note, though somewhat related - is that Knicks roster just a bunch of pieces of shit or what?

I guess people think that we should let Kidd walk so we can sign Lebron, Wade and Bosh..fucking idiots

[monosylab1k]

Yeah Mark Cuban is a fucking genius for making this move. Just like throwing the entire MLE on a 3 pt/4 reb center for the second year in a row was another stroke of genius.

[Shank]

I'm alright with it. My hopes are that the team has a PG waiting in the wings and that Kidd serves as a bench guy/mentor in the last 2 years of this deal. If it's this French asshole or another player yet to be named, there needs to be another option at the position (and Barea, God love him, isn't it).

Lock up Bass, fill out the bench and don't botch the Stack chip and I'm happier than I was at the end of the season.

Oh, and find a way to get Dampier the fuck out of town. The sooner, the better.

[Shank]

Yeah Mark Cuban is a fucking genius for making this move. Just like throwing the entire MLE on a 3 pt/4 reb center for the second year in a row was another stroke of genius.

I'd hold off on judging Gortat by his minimal numbers alone. He's going to be a nice surprise. The Mavs have been looking at this guy for some time now and have massive basketball erections now that the possibility of attaining him is real. FUCK Dampier now.

[La Peace]

The Kidd trade to begin with was well... short sighted and fruitless. It didn't end up being what everyone hoped it could be.

But for NOW, the Mavericks of right now, with options available now, this is a good move. After Kidd there is a huge drop off in PG's available to Dallas. What else was Dallas supposed to do? They are progressively improving the team while losing some of the costly payroll.

I like the move.

[Shank]

But for NOW, the Mavericks of right now, with options available now, this is a good move. After Kidd there is a huge drop off in PG's available to Dallas. What else was Dallas supposed to do? They are progressively improving the team losing some of the costly payroll.

No doubt. Who else is out there? AND - who else is out there that Dirk would want to play with? He has a say in this, as well. Andre Miller, Bibby, Sessions might have sounded like nice replacements, but I don't think they were really feasible. Still, though, the team has to be looking for an eventual replacement. They can't ride out this old asshole forever. Or hey - Calathes, bitches!

[monosylab1k]

I'd hold off on judging Gortat by his minimal numbers alone.

What else do we have to go by? He hasn't proven himself as a starting center in this league, so we're judging him on potential alone.

Reminds me a whole lot of the summer of '05 when everybody had a huge boner for Steven Hunter cuz of his per minute production and PER, citing that his playing time was limited only because of Amare being around. Turns out he just licked balls.

[Shank]

What else do we have to go by? He hasn't proven himself as a starting center in this league, so we're judging him on potential alone.

When he's had the opportunity to start, he's made the most of his chances and has been pretty productive. You should be applauding this move with us - think about it - it means less and/or no more Dampier. That alone should cause spontaneous ejaculation.

[Findog]

What else do we have to go by? He hasn't proven himself as a starting center in this league, so we're judging him on potential alone.

Reminds me a whole lot of the summer of '05 when everybody had a huge boner for Steven Hunter cuz of his per minute production and PER, citing that his playing time was limited only because of Amare being around. Turns out he just licked balls.

Hunter was a journeyman. Gortat is coming off essentially his rookie year, and he already went from D-League project to winning the backup C job.

[Ditty]

kidd didnt even average 10 assists this year

defintly rather have barrea or bring beaubousis or whatever back

well spurs fans can live with kidd getting $8 a year :)

tony parker will sure have a good time :)

[ElNono]

I think this is reasonable. At least you know what Kidd brings to the table.
The jury is still out on Gortat for the MLE, IMHO. But we'll probably know by February most likely.

[sribb43]

Kidd>>>>>>>>>>>Barea>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BoBo

[sribb43]

I think this is reasonable. At least you know what Kidd brings to the table.
The jury is still out on Gortat for the MLE, IMHO. But we'll probably know by February most likely.

thats the problem i have offering Gortat the Full MLE, is that we dont know what he is going to do. Rather spend it on a guy who is proven and we know what to expect

[Shank]

kidd didnt even average 10 assists this year

defintly rather have barrea or bring beaubousis or whatever back

well spurs fans can live with kidd getting $8 a year :)

tony parker will sure have a good time :)

What do you care about the amount he's getting? How does that affect you as a Spurs fan?

This Tony Parker bullshit again...great. How'd that work out for him this year?

By the way, Barea is still around. That's what Parker should be worried about.

[Ditty]

i think rasheed signing with boston may but pressure on the magic matching the mavs offer

[Shank]

Rather spend it on a guy who is proven and we know what to expect

Such as?

Follow me on this - we are closer to seeing the final days of Erick Dampier in a Mavs uniform. I would take a retarded baby monkey with AIDS of the cancer of the leukemia of the eyeballs over that turd any day of the week.

[Ghazi]

Cmon Damp isn't that bad!

[Ditty]

What do you care about the amount he's getting? How does that affect you as a Spurs fan?

This Tony Parker bullshit again...great. How'd that work out for him this year?

By the way, Barea is still around. That's what Parker should be worried about.

because yall are paying a guy 8 million a year about a little less than ginobili gets a year for a guy whose numbers are going down, so mavs are going to be non players in the next years fre agent marker(if they even were) next year

it worked out pretty good individually he pretty much almost beat the mavs by himself if he had someone else to get at least 10 points we would of beat yall pretty easily

o well it wont happen next year:lol

barrea lol? too bad mason was on barrea that whole series, because parker was on kidd, barrea didnt do shit on hill

like i said we will see next year :toast

[Shank]

because yall are paying a guy 8 million a year about a little less than ginobili gets a year for a guy whose numbers are going down, so mavs are going to be non players in the next years fre agent marker(if they even were) next year

Again, what does the money matter? The Mavs, like the Spurs, will not be joining in on the illusion that may be the FA Spending Bonanza of 2010.

[sribb43]

Mavs could have paid Kidd 6 or 60 million over 3yrs and it wouldnt affected there cap situation one bit since they are so far over

[Ghazi]

So many overpaid fucks in the league and people are acting like its an egregious overpaying of Kidd for 3 years 25 million? Gmafb. T-Mac's getting nearly triple that!

Also, if last year is any indication, Kidd getting 8 mill is better value than Ginobili getting 10 mill :lol

[Shank]

How to get Marquis Daniels now...

[sribb43]

How to get Marquis Daniels now...

use the LLE

[Ditty]

So many overpaid fucks in the league and people are acting like its an egregious overpaying of Kidd for 3 years 25 million? Gmafb. T-Mac's getting nearly triple that!

Also, if last year is any indication, Kidd getting 8 mill is better value than Ginobili getting 10 mill :lol

lol 15 points a game injured 1 year contract 3 rings

lol 9 points a game healthy 3 year contract 0 rings

i dont know which one is better?

[Shank]

lol 15 points a game injured 1 year contract 3 rings

lol 9 points a game healthy 3 year contract 0 rings

i dont know which one is better?

Rings talk.

Aaaaaaaand we're almost done here.

Fucknut thinks that every move in the NBA must somehow relate to his Spurs and thusly makes the comparison. Get off it.

[Ditty]

Rings talk.

Aaaaaaaand we're almost done here.

Fucknut thinks that every move in the NBA must somehow relate to his Spurs and thusly makes the comparison. Get off it.

well sorry fucker i had to throw in the rings part:lol

well this is the NBA and there is one championship and every move by everyteam can effect your chances

and plus i just brought up tony parker issue i never brought up any team issue :hat

[Brickhouse]

Kidd isn't overpaid at all, this is a pretty fair deal IMO. In spite of his age/dropoff he's still a top 10 PG who gives:

1. 40% 3-PT shooting
2. premier rebounding PG
3. capable wing defender
4. good passing (duh)
5. durability-missed only 1 game outta 126 as a Maverick
6. Intangibles-people mock that "2nd best player in league" thing by Cuban, but its based off respectable statistics such as on/off and adjusted +/-, both of which Kidd finished in Top 10 last year. So even if his box scores aren't impressive, Kidd still has a significant impact on games. Not insinuating he's a top 10 player, of course, just saying.


We love our Kidd!
Yeah Kidd and his intangibles were really helpful in the playoffs when the mavs needed him the most. Good thing he had all those turnovers in the Denver series and defended Chauncey so well.

[carrao45]

Expiring contract genius....you don't know NBA basketball..please stop posting. Thanks :elephant

That's summer of 2012, not the summer of 2010. Not as epic or important. Just saying. And I was merely trying to state that Jason Kidd at 39 will be useless and creaking around the court

[The_Game]

WTF

thats the same offer Odom has been offered by L.A

[VivaPopovich]

$8M/yr ain't bad.. around what he's worth

[iggypop123]

8 million is a great day. isnt he the best point guard in the nba according to cuban?

[Sportstudi]

kidd didnt even average 10 assists this year

defintly rather have barrea or bring beaubousis or whatever back

well spurs fans can live with kidd getting $8 a year :)

tony parker will sure have a good time :)

And who averaged 10 assists this year? Only CP3 and DWill. Tony Parker? No. Kidd was still No. 5 behind these two and Nash and Calderon. Was there any possibility to get one of these four? No. Kidd is getting older and facing a drop, but he was the best possible option. Barea as the starting PG? No, thanks.

[Spurtacus]

Dear Mavs,

Miss me?

-Devin Harris

[sabar]

Good value and good move by the Mavs. Anything else would of been a massive downgrade.

[Danny.Zhu]

2 years is way too much. The problem is there's no one left.

If Mavs can keep the money for Gortat, they have a chance to land Iverson or Bibby.

[Shank]

2 years is way too much. The problem is there's no one left.

If Mavs can keep the money for Gortat, they have a chance to land Iverson or Bibby.

Why?

[Stump]

Good value for the first two years, not so sure about the third. If the last year is partially guarenteed, that could give the Mavs a lot more options later on.

[monosylab1k]

Such as?

Well Rasheed Wallace just signed for the MLE.

"But he's freakin old!"

He's also a proven commodity, unlike Gortat.

[Shank]

Well Rasheed Wallace just signed for the MLE.

"But he's freakin old!"

He's also a proven commodity, unlike Gortat.

Wallace would have been great. Then we'd really have no comeback when people call the Mavs a jumpshooting team.

[monosylab1k]

Wallace would have been great. Then we'd really have no comeback when people call the Mavs a jumpshooting team.

Yeah I forgot all about how Marcin Gortat has established himself as a dominant post presence in the league.

[sribb43]

Yeah I forgot all about how Marcin Gortat has established himself as a dominant post presence in the league.

How have all those white centers they mavs have rolled out in their history faired...

Bradley, Meyer, Parks, Montross, Shasky, Dreiling, Grandholm, Anstey, Podkolzin, Eschmeyer, Sundov

All were spairs, I was going to put Lafrentz on that list but his performance compared to these guys above makes him look like Wilt or Bill Russell

[BUMP]

Well Rasheed Wallace just signed for the MLE.

"But he's freakin old!"

He's also a proven commodity, unlike Gortat.

Wallace will only be used as a rental.

Unless you can say the Mavs are legit championship contenders as they already were assembled, it would just be a waste of money.

[LEONARD]

Fail.

Kidd brought the winning % down in Dallas. Why re-sign?

If there is one thing SD knows, it's FAIL...



If the Lakers win the championship...

I'll leave this forum for life.

I am doing this to prove to everyone how much of a non-factor the Lakers are in the playoffs. They haven't accomplished anything. They just want to come out, shoot some hoops, and BS their way to everything. Not going to get it done in the Finals. Orlando will win the championship. There are no All-Stars other than Kobe on this Laker team. Not an intimidating lineup. Just a bunch of a jump shooters who score off Kobe double teams.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol why didnt cuban offer finley a similar contract fkn we want him off this spurs team

[LEONARD]

I have no issue with the re-signing of Kidd...if they didn't sign him, there is no telling what we'd be running out there...

[Ghazi]

Wallace will only be used as a rental.

Unless you can say the Mavs are legit championship contenders as they already were assembled, it would just be a waste of money.

Not to mention Gortat may very well be a better player than Sheed next year. Not as farfetchd as it sounds, either... Sheed's name and reputation exceed his actual basketball skill at this point in his career, if last year was any indication.

[Findog]

Not to mention Gortat may very well be a better player than Sheed next year. Not as farfetchd as it sounds, either... Sheed's name and reputation exceed his actual basketball skill at this point in his career, if last year was any indication.

There's no way you can convince me a 36 year old Sheed going through the motions for 82 games is better for this team than a 24 year old Gortat at a position that has been a weakness for this team. Your best-case scenario for Wallace is that he'll drift through the season like Horry and then be ready to knock down big shots in the postseason. You need to get to the playoffs first, and I think Gortat will be a much better option over the course of 82 games than Wallace.

[stretch]

Reminds me a whole lot of the summer of '05 when everybody had a huge boner for Steven Hunter cuz of his per minute production and PER, citing that his playing time was limited only because of Amare being around. Turns out he just licked balls.

The thing about Hunter is that he never really showed any talent. Just a super athletic guy on a run and gun team that allowed him to have some fancy dunks and blocks.

Gortat actually has shown that he is a solid defender, has good IQ, and has offensive moves and talent. Not saying I liked giving up the whole MLE, but I think that he definitely shows a skillset and fundamentals that are proven to work in the NBA, as opposed to being a hit or miss super athlete that is so common in the league now.

[monosylab1k]

There's no way you can convince me a 36 year old Sheed going through the motions for 82 games is better for this team than a 24 year old Gortat at a position that has been a weakness for this team. Your best-case scenario for Wallace is that he'll drift through the season like Horry and then be ready to knock down big shots in the postseason. You need to get to the playoffs first, and I think Gortat will be a much better option over the course of 82 games than Wallace.

Sheed has proven he can give you 12/8 and decent defense while coasting.

Gortat has proven he can give you 3/4 in 12 minutes a night and he's proven jack shit else.

I see his potential, but that's all we can see is the potential. How many ppl said Gerald Green was worthless cuz all he had was potential? And now we're going nuts over the exact same thing?

[Gino]

They overpaid. Hard to imagine any other team offering him 8 million over the next three years.

Kudos to Kidd's agent for owning Cuban.

[Findog]

Sheed has proven he can give you 12/8 and decent defense while coasting.



You didn't watch him last season. Sorry, but this has shades of Nick Van Exel on the Spurs to me. Plus, where would Sheed have played for us? The 5?


How many ppl said Gerald Green was worthless cuz all he had was potential? And now we're going nuts over the exact same thing?

Three teams haven't given up on Marcin Gortat. And the Magic don't want to give him up, but consider it a bit steep to pay Superman's backup the full MLE for 5 years.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I eat dick

[stretch]

I fuck men

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I got mad at DoK for making a joke about kiddie porn because I'm sensitive and insecure about my kiddie porn fetish

[stretch]

Well im certainly anxious to see how Gortat turns out. if he can manage around 12 and 10, I'd be stoked.

of course he was a backup, only playin around 12 minutes a game. but by the per 36 minutes stat, which can usually get a good gauge of the kind of average consistency to expect from a player, he averaged around 11 points and 13 boards. not saying thats what we will see, especially if he was in a starting role, but averaging about 4 and 4 in 12 minutes a game really isnt bad at all, period (especially for a guy who was basically a rookie). hopefully he is up to the challenge of a starting role and we can see some good production out of him. there is no question he has the skills and fundamentals to be a solid player, and a bonus is that hes still fairly young. the mavs have possibly found a center that can be solid for a long time. i hope thats the case.

[Gino]

The Mavs cant win slow (Avery era). The Mavs cant win fast (Nelson era).

Their situation is completely hopeless. Seems pretty stupid to blow 24 million bucks on Kidd when its not going to make a difference.

Neither will Gortat. Or any other C-list free agent they pick up.

[stretch]

i need my vagina cleaned