Who is better for the MLE...Gortat or Big Baby

[Amarelooms]

You decide...who got a better deal? The Mavs or Spurs :elephant

[Ditty]

The team that can match it or a team that can't

i dunno lol

[DesignatedT]

gortat by a mile.

[montgod]

You decide...who got a better deal? The Mavs or Spurs :elephant

It's been confirmed that Big Baby was offered the MLE from the Spurs??? I think it's still in the speculation stage.

[mogrovejo]

Gortat by far. I think that for the MLE Gortat is underpaid by a million or two while Davis is overpaid by a million or two.

[Marcus Bryant]

Perkins and Davis almost took down Gortat and the 'new NBA' bigmen starting in front of him in the playoffs.

Gortat's contract is hideous.

[Amarelooms]

It's been confirmed that Big Baby was offered the MLE from the Spurs??? I think it's still in the speculation stage.

Not confirmed but anything less than the MLE will likely be matched by Boston and thus a waste of time by the Spurs.

[Spursmania]

I'd prefer Gortat over Big Baby. I hope we're not signing him. It just doesn't feel right.

[Amarelooms]

Perkins and Davis almost took down Gortat and the 'new NBA' bigmen starting in front of him in the playoffs.

Gortat's contract is hideous.

Well to be fair Gortat averaged less than 10 mins in that series. Hard to do anything with no PT. Gortat is an unknown with maybe more potential if given playing time. Big Baby had gotten lots of playing time....so you know what ya getting :elephant

[Marcus Bryant]

Not confirmed but anything less than the MLE will likely be matched by Boston and thus a waste of time by the Spurs.

The MLE is not necessarily a 5 year contract.

[Marcus Bryant]

Well to be fair Gortat averaged less than 10 mins in that series. Hard to do anything with no PT. Gortat is an unknown with maybe more potential if given playing time. Big Baby had gotten lots of playing time....so you know what ya getting :elephant

I'll take a proven role player big over what 'you don't know that you are getting.'

[Spursfan092120]

Not confirmed but anything less than the MLE will likely be matched by Boston and thus a waste of time by the Spurs.
If the Celts just signed Rasheed, and they're going to sign Grant Hill, they ain't matching shit that someone offers to Davis.

[ffadicted]

Neither are worth anything close to the full MLE.

Baby baby is big baby, and this Gortat hype is retarded

[DPG21920]

MB: So you are going on record that Davis will out perform Gortat? How will you measure this?

[Amarelooms]

Well if Orlando doesn't match...the Mavs have to start Gortat and see what he can do. That means trading Damp for pretty much anything. Not sure if the Spurs start Big Baby of bring him off the bench.

[Marcus Bryant]

MB: So you are going on record that Davis will out perform Gortat? How will you measure this?

Championships.

[DPG21920]

Championships.

So last year, Sasha V had a better year than Baby?

[Amarelooms]

Championships.

lol you are a douche bag :elephant

[TDMVPDPOY]

i rather resign gooden

[Marcus Bryant]

lol you are a douche bag :elephant

My bad, that's obviously something the Mavs wouldn't be able to accomplish.

[Marcus Bryant]

So last year, Sasha V had a better year than Baby?

Is it not the objective to win championships instead of best positional statistical performance? The Spurs, should they sign Davis or Bass, are clearly not looking for regular season box score wonders.

[objective]

Well to be fair Gortat averaged less than 10 mins in that series. Hard to do anything with no PT. Gortat is an unknown with maybe more potential if given playing time. Big Baby had gotten lots of playing time....so you know what ya getting :elephant

yeah, but Big Baby in that series rocked 4.5 rebounds a game ! Boo-yah! In only 31 minutes a game that crushes Gortat's 2 in 9.5.

[Tully365]

I just don't see the Spurs signing Glen Davis for 5 years, or using the full MLE on him... this is just one of many rumors floating around out there. I'd say it's ten times more likely they sign someone like Shelden Williams to a two year/4 mil contract than signing Big Baby to a 5 year/MLE type of deal.

[Ditty]

rumors are now indicating that orlando will probably match the offer now that rasheed is in boston

[DPG21920]

Is it not the objective to win championships instead of best positional statistical performance? The Spurs, should they sign Davis or Bass, are clearly not looking for regular season box score wonders.

Such a weak argument. Some players bust their ass only to have their teams fall short. Does that mean they were only "fantasy wonders" like you speak about?

To act like you truly believe what you are saying is absurd. You can watch players and see who is better.

Did Sasha have a better year than Davis last year?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

This is all based on a Tweet that has been quoted by a couple of other "news" outlets for fucksake... and now you're assuming it's happening? How about we wait and see what the Spurs ACTUALLY DO before we start shit-flinging threads, eh? :rolleyes

[scottspurs]

Gortat is a joke. He is worse than Erika Dampier. Davis will be an offensive banger in the post, while Dejuan Blair will be a defensive banger beast. Marcus Haislip and Ian will be athletic big men who can block shots and bring athleticism to to the offense and defense. And everyone is forgetting about someone I like to call Timmy D. Everyone knows what he brings to the table. Add that to Parker/Hill/McClinton at Pg, Manu/Mason/Finley at Sg, and Richard Jefferson/Marcus Williams or Malik Hairston or James Gist and the spurs have the perfect combination of stars and role players. Thats not even counting bonner who has become a trade asset.

C-TIM=Stud/Ian=athletic/Marcus=athletic

PF-Blair=Beast Banger Defender(BBD)/Davis (BBO)/ Bonner=shooter

SF-Jefferson=Athleticism & Defender/Marcus Williams=Point Foward, or Gist=athletic shooter defender, or Hairston=Banger SF, or Finley=veteran shooter

SG-Manu=the man/ Mason=deadly shooter

PG-Parker=Speed/Hill=Shut down Lock-down defender/McClinton=deadly shooter

Bonner, Finley, and Mason provide valuable expiring contract trade assets.

One of Williams, Gist, or Hairston won't make the team.

You can either put Finley/Bonner on IR or have the young guys on roster going from SA to Austin.

I'm excited for this next season. GO SPURS GO!!!!!

[Slinkyman]

I just don't see the Spurs signing Glen Davis for 5 years, or using the full MLE on him... this is just one of many rumors floating around out there. I'd say it's ten times more likely they sign someone like Shelden Williams to a two year/4 mil contract than signing Big Baby to a 5 year/MLE type of deal.

Giving Shelden Williams 2 mil per year is far worse then giving Davis 5 mil per year, at least Davis is a NBA player Williams will probably never play in the nba again. He couldn't break the rotation in minnesota how's he gonna help the spurs or any NBA team?

[Marcus Bryant]

Gortat is a joke. He is worse than Erika Dampier. Davis will be an offensive banger in the post, while Dejuan Blair will be a defensive banger beast. Marcus Haislip and Ian will be athletic big men who can block shots and bring athleticism to to the offense and defense. And everyone is forgetting about someone I like to call Timmy D. Everyone knows what he brings to the table. Add that to Parker/Hill/McClinton at Pg, Manu/Mason/Finley at Sg, and Richard Jefferson/Marcus Williams or Malik Hairston or James Gist and the spurs have the perfect combination of stars and role players. Thats not even counting bonner who has become a trade asset.

C-TIM=Stud/Ian=athletic/Marcus=athletic

PF-Blair=Beast Banger Defender(BBD)/Davis (BBO)/ Bonner=shooter

SF-Jefferson=Athleticism & Defender/Marcus Williams=Point Foward, or Gist=athletic shooter defender, or Hairston=Banger SF, or Finley=veteran shooter

SG-Manu=the man/ Mason=deadly shooter

PG-Parker=Speed/Hill=Shut down Lock-down defender/McClinton=deadly shooter

Bonner, Finley, and Mason provide valuable expiring contract trade assets.

One of Williams, Gist, or Hairston won't make the team.

You can either put Finley/Bonner on IR or have the young guys on roster going from SA to Austin.

I'm excited for this next season. GO SPURS GO!!!!!

:tu

Not to mention that between Bonner, Finley, Williams, and Mason could return a player with a $11 million salary in a trade, IIRC. I don't necessarily expect them to do that, but obviously they can use some combination of the expiring contracts they have (along with Williams' nonguaranteed contract) to add someone else. They just landed Jefferson for what, exactly?

[Marcus Bryant]

Such a weak argument. Some players bust their ass only to have their teams fall short. Does that mean they were only "fantasy wonders" like you speak about?

To act like you truly believe what you are saying is absurd. You can watch players and see who is better.

Did Sasha have a better year than Davis last year?

He'll do better than Bonner Christ when it comes to winning time, of that I am certain. Maybe Gortat will rebound at a higher rate as the Mavs exit in the 2nd round, again.

[DPG21920]

He'll do better than Bonner Christ when it comes to winning time, of that I am certain. Maybe Gortat will rebound at a higher rate as the Mavs exit in the 2nd round, again.

Davis has played well in crunch time, no one is arguing that. Just asking if you thought Sasha had a better year than him last year?

[SouthTexasRancher]

You decide...who got a better deal? The Mavs or Spurs :elephant

Neither players are anything to write home about. Neither has done much. I wouldn't want either of them.

[Tully365]

Giving Shelden Williams 2 mil per year is far worse then giving Davis 5 mil per year, at least Davis is a NBA player Williams will probably never play in the nba again. He couldn't break the rotation in minnesota how's he gonna help the spurs or any NBA team?

If the Spurs decide to start the season surrounding Duncan with a rotation of bigs then it would make sense to spend 2 mil on a 10-15 mpg role player to share minutes with Blair, Bonner, Haislip, Mahinmi, and Gist rather than tying up 30 mil on a back up player. Williams had very good numbers per 48minutes in rebounding, steals, and blocks for both Minnesota and Sacramento, and his oncourt/offcourt numbers (you can find them on 82games.com) are very good. He's not a star by any stretch, but he's young, he likes to play D, and he'd be a good role player. It's doubtful that Davis or Gortat would have started ahead of Love or Gomes either.

[crc21209]

Gortat is going to be a bust...Big Baby won a ring and contributed way more this past season than Gortat did.

[objective]

Jackie Butler has a ring, and almost matched BB's DNP-CDs in a finals.

Bring back the coat-stealer !

I heard he has soft hands and a Moses Malone-type game.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Gortat will be good for a 8/6/1 type line, and a 1st/2nd round outing for the Mavs as always. If you are happy to spend your MLE on that, go right ahead.

[Tully365]

The Spurs just uncharacteristically broke the bank on Richard Jefferson @ 15 mil a year... that's a lot of money. Look at what the Spurs have done in the recent past regarding Bigs: Nazr, Elson, Oberto, Kurt Thomas.... If I'm wrong I'll be glad, but I just don't see them spending the full MLE for 5 years. They already surprised us with Haislip, and they'll probably surprise us again with another lesser known name guy with untapped or under-appreciated potential... under the radar moves, just like Hill and Mason last year. The Spurs have a big 4 now... they don't need a stat sheet stuffer, they need a smart role player.

[spurspokesman]

The Spurs just uncharacteristically broke the bank on Richard Jefferson @ 15 mil a year... that's a lot of money. Look at what the Spurs have done in the recent past regarding Bigs: Nazr, Elson, Oberto, Kurt Thomas.... If I'm wrong I'll be glad, but I just don't see them spending the full MLE for 5 years. They already surprised us with Haislip, and they'll probably surprise us again with another lesser known name guy with untapped or under-appreciated potential... under the radar moves, just like Hill and Mason last year. The Spurs have a big 4 now... they don't need a stat sheet stuffer, they need a smart role player.
Agreed

[Spurs da champs]

Gortat is trash!!

[urunobili]

Gortat will end up in jail a couple of times for speeding on I35... :lmao

[Shank]

This shit is hilarious. If the roles were reversed, we'd be reading how the Mavs were pissing money away on Davis while the Spurs got the White David Robinson in Gortat.

[Shank]

rumors are now indicating that orlando will probably match the offer now that rasheed is in boston

In your own head. I haven't seen that anywhere.

The Magic are likely to give Rakovic a shot in the same position. They're not likely to match that number because they don't want to give that much and that many years for what will be their backup center. Add the consequence of the luxury tax and it doesn't make sense for the Magic. Of course, though, this is the same team that just essentially blew up their Finals roster for no reason.

[Mal]

Is MLE count to luxury tax?

[Mal]

No one is worth MLE. Big Baby is terrible... He is not worth big men spot...

[benefactor]

Either for the full MLE is overpaying....but I would pay Gortat the MLE before Davis every day of the week. At least he can rebound and defend.

[urunobili]

:lol if Big baby ends up signing and being clutch for us.. many of you guys will be eating LOTS of black crow for a while... I'll personally give you shit throughout the season :danceclub:

[MI21]

I think either of them for the MLE is reaching, but you have to pay for big bodies I guess.

Honestly, if forced to choose between either, I wouldn't really know who to pick. Depends on the situation I guess, the Spurs need a tall, rebounding, shot altering guy who doesn't have a big appetite for points. I would actually choose Gortat, but I do think at the moment Davis is a better player at the moment.

It's kind of like trying to pick the lesser evil.

[JGrice02]

Big Baby will probably be overpaid if given the MLE. But at least you know what you are getting in return. And there is still a lot of upside with Big Baby -- you might actually get a good ROI on him in the long run. Gortat, however, is a wildcard. He is nearly impossible to valuate. Is he worth the MLE? Evidence suggests otherwise. But we all know that desperate teams overpay for "potential".

Heck, Dallas overpays for everything. They are going to give a 36 year old PG $8M a season. Why would they overpay for Kidd when they let Nash go on the cheap? That's Cuban for you -- the guy hasn't a clue. But I digress.

Its not even close in my mind. If the Spurs might overpay slightly for Big Baby, but at least they would know what they are getting. You may not be excited about him but Big Baby is a proven commodity. Anyone who gives Gortat more than $3 Million a year is gambling against very poor odds. Between the two, Big Baby is a much safer bet.

[Spurs Brazil]

Neither

[hater]

both don't deserve it and are overrated bigmen

[ohmwrecker]

Sign Gooden. Trade expiring contracts of Finley and Gooden to the Bulls for Tyrus Thomas. Win.

[Shank]

both don't deserve it and are overrated bigmen

But, as you know, that's the price for a big. They're almost always overpaid. And if they're not, they'll let you know.

[Bruno]

:lmao

[Spurs Brazil]

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

[Leetonidas]

:lmao @ this thread.

[TDMVPDPOY]

BB over glorified malik rose...

[spursnatic]

Neither..They both fucking suck!!!....

[Spursmania]

You decide...who got a better deal? The Mavs or Spurs :elephant

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[4RINGS]

You decide...who got a better deal? The Mavs or Spurs :elephant
CLASSIC!!! Don't count your restricted free agents until they HATCH!!!! :bang:lmao:bang:lmao

[FvckMavs]

You decide...who got a better deal? The Mavs or Spurs :elephant

:rollin:rollin:rollin

[45 bank shot]

It's always fun looking back @ those epic-failed threads