Tiago Splitter

[gcamap21]

According to 48MoH the Spurs were not pressing on landing Rasheed Wallace as much becuase they might have something up their sleeves. Tiago Splitter might be in the works and might become a Spur this coming season. Tau Ceramica the team Splitter plays for wants to buy him out and unload his hefty contract. Lets Keep our fingers crossed and see what further develops.


Friday, July 3rd, 2009

The Bucher Tweet (http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/07/03/the-bucher-tweet/)

48MoH reader mattmo28 exchanged tweets with Ric Bucher last night:
mattmo28@RicBucher Whats the deal with the Spurs not pushing for Sheed? Who are we after? Who fits best?about 4 hours ago from web in reply to RicBucher
@mattmo28 Have heard McDyess and Frye. There’s a chance Tiago Splitter could be coming over, which would solve a *lot* [...]:flag:http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fs earch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dtiago%2Bsplitter%26b%3D21%26n i%3D20%26ei%3DUTF-8%26y%3DSearch%26pstart%3D1%26fr%3Dyfp-t-501%26fr2%3Dtab-web&w=519&h=800&imgurl=www.chinaspurs.com%2Fplayers%2Ftiago_splitt er%2Fsplitter_519.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chinaspurs.com%2Fplayers%2Ft iago_splitter&size=70k&name=splitter+519+jpg&p=tiago+splitter&oid=6c5a2278d9f6265c&fr2=tab-web&no=26&tt=342&b=21&ni=20&sigr=11gdpvv7p&sigi=11q1r8nhf&sigb=13s787ra8

[ivanfromwestwood]

i would be so happy i think i would puke in my pant. ill keep the klenox on standby.

[Blackjack]

Who's Tiago Splitter?

Is he any good?

[DPG21920]

I think he is greek?

[Blackjack]

Does he play basketball? Soccer? Croquet?:huh

Good name for a pitcher..

[tav1]

the entire 48MoH post reads differently than you suggest...

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

That was posted about 2 days ago in the Bucher tweets thread.

FAIL.

[Kori Ellis]

Just to clarify, that Twitter exchange was from July 2nd (just to clear it up for people who think it might have been more recent.)

[Tully365]

Twitter is pure evil.

[Ditty]

maybe the spurs called up sheeds agent and told them you know what forget it where getting a guy 12 years younger than your guy and probably put the same numbers as sheed anyways lol

that would be kinda messed up but funny

[Russ]

Splitter would make for the perfect off-season.

He would offset the Artest pickup and be the best big man alongside Duncan since Big Dave, himself. :)

This is the guy (hopefully) the Spurs have been targeting all summer. Please, let this happen.

[scottspurs]

I'm just moving on as if he is not coming over this year, But if he does.........:corn::jekka:flypig:cheer:huddle::ele phant:elephant:elephant:elephant:spin:drunk:clap:v iolin

[siraulo23]

finally a potential 'good' news

[rayray2k8]

He's not coming.. Get over it people.

[timvp]

This is both old and out of context.

[montgod]

Honestly, if he comes over, that's great, but in looking at the YouTube videos of him... I really wasn't impressed. I hope I am wrong if he comes and that he is a better player than all the YouTube highlights.

[Russ]

He's not coming.. Get over it people.

On the other hand, during the most important week of the year for free agents . . .

when even the great Rasheed Wallace was going to grant San Antonio a visit . . .

during such a critical time, why would Pop be in . . . Europe?

[Mr. Body]

Old news is old.

[Russ]

Old news is old.

So is Rasheed Wallace (both old news and old).

[montgod]

On the other hand, during the most important week of the year for free agents . . .

when even the great Rasheed Wallace was going to grant San Antonio a visit . . .

during such a critical time, why would Pop be in . . . Europe?

Is he really? Have a link on that?

[montgod]

so is rasheed wallace (both old news and old).

+1

[rayray2k8]

On the other hand, during the most important week of the year for free agents . . .

when even the great Rasheed Wallace was going to grant San Antonio a visit . . .

during such a critical time, why would Pop be in . . . Europe?

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130491

[024]

marcus haislip = codename for tiago splitter?

[Russ]

Is he really? Have a link on that?

Check the bottom two posts (from two highly respected sources in this place).

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130357&page=5

[rayray2k8]

lol
He's actually not that bad!
For the LLE he might be a hell of a pick up!
This guy has some serious hops.
Rasheed who? Pops who? :lol

Imagine Birdman, Elson, Sheed and Robinson rolled up into one player.
Okay, might be a stretch but you can see some of the comparisons.

[cheney212]

never coming

[thekingrobert]

Paul Gasol 2.0 except he like physical play

[Spurtacus]

never coming

I wouldn't say never. Maybe not this season, but possibly 2010.

[Texas_Ranger]

He would not be enough...He and Haislip have the same stats in the Spain championship.

[xellos88330]

If he does decide to come over (highly improbable), when could we expect to hear about it? Is there some sort of time constraint to sign him?

[buttsR4rebounding]

The thing I take from that was that no one except the Spur's top brass knows what they are up to. That would include some hack up in Boston. He may know what the Celts are up to, but there is no way he knows if the Spurs are making an offer to Davis.

[jjktkk]

The thing I take from that was that no one except the Spur's top brass knows what they are up to. That would include some hack up in Boston. He may know what the Celts are up to, but there is no way he knows if the Spurs are making an offer to Davis.

I can't envision having 2 undersized 4's(Blair & Davis?) playing significant minutes for the Spurs, so the Big Baby rumors seem kinda lame IMO.

[Spur|n|Austin]

I can't envision having 2 undersized 4's(Blair & Davis?) playing significant minutes for the Spurs, so the Big Baby rumors seem kinda lame IMO.

agreed

[Extra Stout]

Whenever Tiago Splitter comes over, his nickname should be Jimbo.

[DBMethos]

Even if we get Splitter this summer, the dude hasn't played a single minute in the NBA yet. No way that makes up for not landing Sheed.

[rjv]

agreed that we would be better served with a vet to abet splitter but that vet did not need to be wallace. mcdyess would be better in some ways.

[Marcus Bryant]

On the other hand, during the most important week of the year for free agents . . .

when even the great Rasheed Wallace was going to grant San Antonio a visit . . .

during such a critical time, why would Pop be in . . . Europe?


Nothing to see here, move along.

Still, one would imagine that Pop would have plenty of non-Splitter reasons for being on the Continent.

But, yes, the Spurs' interest in free agents who look more like backup bigmen does make you wonder.

[waly.mg]

Paul Gasol 2.0 except he like physical play

Splitter is more a player like Rasho than Paul Gasol

[Russ]

Splitter is more a player like Rasho than Paul Gasol

He appears to play more aggressively than Rasho. Splitter also looks to have more offensive moves around the basket than Rasho.

[ajballer4]

He gets rookie scale if we sign him this year, correct?

[bigdog]

He gets rookie scale if we sign him this year, correct?

Yes.

[MagnusKrauss]

a quick question on buyout rules - no more than 500K US right? and then it's up to the player to shoulder the rest of his buyout? What if Pop went over to Spain, then just happened to spot a car he wants to have, which coincidentally happens to be Tiago's pimped-out ride, and offers to buy the car for, let's say, the rest of the buyout money?

would that work?

[Sigz]

I'd cream.

[mudyez]

a quick question on buyout rules - no more than 500K US right? and then it's up to the player to shoulder the rest of his buyout? What if Pop went over to Spain, then just happened to spot a car he wants to have, which coincidentally happens to be Tiago's pimped-out ride, and offers to buy the car for, let's say, the rest of the buyout money?

would that work?

:rollin I like your thinking :rollin
http://buehehe.org/2006-07-28/pimp_my_ride.jpg

[lefty]

So, is he coming or what?

[bigdog]

So, is he coming or what?

Never.

[bishopospurs]

never is a strong word... maybe unlikely sounds more hopeful.

[Dex]

All I'm going to say is if Splitter turns into another Scola case, I'm gonna be pissed. :pctoss

[angelbelow]

Oh snap!!!!!!!!!!!!

[timvp]

Paul Gasol 2.0 except he like physical play

Objective wants to talk to you.

[Death In June]

I don't get the fascination with this guy. He seems average.

[Obstructed_View]

Rasho averaged ~ seven points, seven boards and 1.7 blocks per game the first couple of years he was with the Spurs. You guys wouldn't be happy with that for what Splitter's likely to be paid?

Stoo. Pid.

[Marcjg983]

he'll do just as good as wallace and he becomes part of the future aswell... thats why i want him to come over already

[GSH]

a quick question on buyout rules - no more than 500K US right? and then it's up to the player to shoulder the rest of his buyout? What if Pop went over to Spain, then just happened to spot a car he wants to have, which coincidentally happens to be Tiago's pimped-out ride, and offers to buy the car for, let's say, the rest of the buyout money?

would that work?

See: Joe Smith and the Minnesota Timberwolves. The penalty for under the table deals, if you get caught, is the next thing to a death sentence. Otherwise, every team would do it, instead of just the Lakers.

[CGD]

not this **** again...

[Fermixalot]

Paul Gasol 2.0 except he like physical play

who the hell is Paul Gasol?

[angelbelow]

Paul Gasol 2.0 except he like physical play

lol wtf

[cheney212]

I wouldn't say never. Maybe not this season, but possibly 2010.

Im saying never because there is a 99.9% chance he is never coming

[itzsoweezee]

consider your hopes dashed!

[Sigz]

He's coming. I just got off the cellular device with him.

I had to vouch up a meal from SONIC, and a fat head poster of Becky Hammon.

[4RINGS]

Splitter will never be a Spur. Bank on it.

[Spurs9]

I just saw his cousin Brunuci at Costco off 1604, he confirmed that Thiago is staying at the Dury Inn off Wurzbach and will meet with spurs tommorow.

[Shastafarian]

I just saw his cousin Brunuci at Costco off 1604, he confirmed that Thiago is staying at the Dury Inn off Wurzbach and will meet with spurs tommorow.

I swear to god if you're lying...I won't do anything. But I'll be pretty upset.

[DPG21920]

Of course he is lying. Come on.

[4RINGS]

I just saw his cousin Brunuci at Costco off 1604, he confirmed that Thiago is staying at the Dury Inn off Wurzbach and will meet with spurs tommorow.


LOL..:lmao After the Sheed meeting??? O, no.. scratch that!!!:nope:pimpslap

[ivanfromwestwood]

i saw him at the tv motel on old HWY 90 last night sitting on the curb eating freds fish with two tecatos named chucky and sad boy.

[hater]

Pop, Leblon is the best cachasa remember that

[cheney212]

Why would you say that?
because everyone just needs to face the fact that hes never gonna come write it down

[scottspurs]

If he was coming to the spurs this year it would of happened by now and the spurs would not be looking at signing a big with the MLE.

[Shastafarian]

If he was coming to the spurs this year it would of happened by now and the spurs would not be looking at signing a big with the MLE.

Who says they are?

[scottspurs]

Who says they are?

You could be right, but the only players they have been linked to are big men. I just really don't think he will come over this year, when he could make more money if he came next season.

[celldweller]

Here's a photo of him at the YMCA on Bandera.
http://www.aolcdn.com/red_galleries/ashton-kutcher-400ds0618.jpg
followed by several tests by the Spurs Medical Staff.
http://frillr.com/files/images/Ashton%20Kutcher%20%20Does%20V%20Man.jpg

[Interrohater]

I was standing in line at Peter Piper Pizza on Marbach and 410 and I swear I saw him at the pop-a-shot. He had like a small mountain of tickets around him, he kept getting the high score, and then he'd beat it! Also he was drinking a Pepsi.

[bigdog]

I just saw him at Chacho's on Perrin Beitel getting some King Kong Nachos. He said he wants to sign with the Spurs, but he just came into town to get the nachos.

[Blackjack]

Alright, I've been one to dismiss the talks of Splitter coming this year pretty much since the start of the off-season, but I'm starting to actually wonder..

Why would Splitter's agent tell Miketinac early in the off-season that they'd assess their options after Tiago's season was over, yet when asked for a comment today, he says he can't really comment about it at this time? And why would he tell Miketinac that he should pose that question to R.C. and the Spurs, instead?

I mean, what would prevent him from commenting at this time? He didn't have a problem commenting on Oberto and the fact that he cleared waivers today. Tiago's under contract with Tau and the buyout really only makes sense for Splitter in '10 when the Spurs can actually afford to pay his way.

So what's the hold-up?

Could the Spurs be in some kind of delicate behind-the-scenes effort that would bring Splitter over this year?

Did Pop and R.C.'s specificity in making known their goal of getting a 4-man, not a big or 4/5, suggest that they were thinking Splitter was in the cards?

Looking at the roster, the Spurs have one player who's a passable center.

Duncan.

So, is it possible that they've had their sights set on Splitter because of their ability to find a quality 4 in this market? (Tiago could then provide depth and play significant minutes at the 5/4, without the pressure of being counted on to start from day 1..)

If I'm Splitter, I'm not sure how much sense it makes to come over this year. (At least financially) But, if I had a genuine desire to play in the NBA and saw a great opportunity for myself to play now with the lack of proven bigs on the roster? I think I might bite.

I guess the sooner he gets over here, the sooner he's likely to get paid in that second contract.. So could/would the Spurs offer him a 2-year deal that they'd allow to expire (not pick up the team option) and re-up him with a more suitable contract. Maybe allow him to recoup some of that money he'd lose by leaving?

I'm not sure if it's above board to do something like that, and it'd definitely take a leap of faith from both parties, but it'd make sense if a dialogue like that was happening behind the scenes with all the smoke and no comment, comments, taking place.:stirpot:

[SpursNextRomanEmpire]

I work at a real estate agency and Splitter came in and discussed some of the prime pieces in the San Antonio area.. he seemed really keen on purchasing a great house in the Stone Oak area.

[rayray2k8]

Alright, I've been one to dismiss the talks of Splitter coming this year pretty much since the start of the off-season, but I'm starting to actually wonder..

Why would Splitter's agent tell Miketinac early in the off-season that they'd assess their options after Tiago's season was over, yet when asked for a comment today, he says he can't really comment about it at this time? And why would he tell Miketinac that he should pose that question to R.C. and the Spurs, instead?

I mean, what would prevent him from commenting at this time? He didn't have a problem commenting on Oberto and the fact that he cleared waivers today. Tiago's under contract with Tau and the buyout really only makes sense for Splitter in '10 when the Spurs can actually afford to pay his way.

So what's the hold-up?

Could the Spurs be in some kind of delicate behind-the-scenes effort that would bring Splitter over this year?

Did Pop and R.C.'s specificity in making known their goal of getting a 4-man, not a big or 4/5, suggest that they were thinking Splitter was in the cards?

Looking at the roster, the Spurs have one player who's a passable center.

Duncan.

So, is it possible that they've had their sights set on Splitter because of their ability to find a quality 4 in this market? (Tiago could then provide depth and play significant minutes at the 5/4, without the pressure of being counted on to start from day 1..)

If I'm Splitter, I'm not sure how much sense it makes to come over this year. (At least financially) But, if I had a genuine desire to play in the NBA and saw a great opportunity for myself to play now with the lack of proven bigs on the roster? I think I might bite.

I guess the sooner he gets over here, the sooner he's likely to get paid in that second contract.. So could/would the Spurs offer him a 2-year deal that they'd allow to expire (not pick up the team option) and re-up him with a more suitable contract. Maybe allow him to recoup some of that money he'd lose by leaving?

I'm not sure if it's above board to do something like that, and it'd definitely take a leap of faith from both parties, but it'd make sense if a dialogue like that was happening behind the scenes with all the smoke and no comment, comments, taking place.:stirpot:

RC already said that Splitter wasn't coming this year...
They can offer more than the rookie salary next summer.
Where have you been?

[Obstructed_View]

I didn't hear RC say he wasn't coming over this year, I heard RC say that De Colo wasn't coming over this year.

[Mel_13]

I guess the sooner he gets over here, the sooner he's likely to get paid in that second contract.. So could/would the Spurs offer him a 2-year deal that they'd allow to expire (not pick up the team option) and re-up him with a more suitable contract. Maybe allow him to recoup some of that money he'd lose by leaving?

I'm not sure if it's above board to do something like that, and it'd definitely take a leap of faith from both parties, but it'd make sense if a dialogue like that was happening behind the scenes with all the smoke and no comment, comments, taking place.:stirpot:

The CBA makes that sort of maneuver impossible. If the Spurs did that, Splitter would become a FA and the Spurs would be prohibited from paying him more than the third year rookie scale.

If the player was a first round draft pick and just completed the second year of his rookie scale contract, but his team did not exercise their option to extend the contract for the third season (see question number 38), then this exception cannot be used to give him a salary greater than he would have received had the team exercised their third year option. In other words, teams can't decline the option in order to get around the salary scale and give the player more money.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q19

In a summer where the Spurs are apparently willing to spend $20M more in payroll expenses this year, all things are possible. Splitter would be, however, forfeiting something on the order of 9-10M over the next four years in order to come over this year.

[Russ]

I just saw his cousin Brunuci at Costco off 1604, he confirmed that Thiago is staying at the Dury Inn off Wurzbach and will meet with spurs tommorow.

Why no truth?

Why LIES!!!!!!!

(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

[Agloco]

I think he is greek?

KBP just unloaded in his pants.......

[Agloco]

Twitter is pure misinformation.

Fixed

[Blackjack]

The CBA makes that sort of maneuver impossible. If the Spurs did that, Splitter would become a FA and the Spurs would be prohibited from paying him more than the third year rookie scale.

If the player was a first round draft pick and just completed the second year of his rookie scale contract, but his team did not exercise their option to extend the contract for the third season (see question number 38), then this exception cannot be used to give him a salary greater than he would have received had the team exercised their third year option. In other words, teams can't decline the option in order to get around the salary scale and give the player more money.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q19

In a summer where the Spurs are apparently willing to spend $20M more in payroll expenses this year, all things are possible. Splitter would be, however, forfeiting something on the order of 9-10M over the next four years in order to come over this year.

Like I said, I've never believed he was coming this year, but there just seems to be something going on behind the scenes.

I wasn't real confident that they could make an agreement like that (And somehow I knew Mel13 would be the one to know:lol) but it was just a scenario I was throwing out there as a possibility for why an agent would feel it best not to comment, at this time.

I'm just wondering why there seems to be smoke, when all the logic points to Splitter no sooner than '10?

[Marcus Bryant]

What makes sense is that Splitter will come over if the starting spot is his for the taking. It makes sense for the Spurs to see if they could land a Wallace or a McDyess first. If not, then signing Splitter to start and using the MLE for a good reserve big candidate like a Bass or Davis makes some sense.

Of course, part of what doesn't fit would be the offer to Haislip, unless the Spurs feel that it's a separate, speculative move. It seems like the Spurs are proceeding as if they hadn't drafted Blair. One wonders if Mahinmi could be on his way out of town...

[Mel_13]

Like I said, I've never believed he was coming this year, but there just seems to be something going on behind the scenes.

I wasn't real confident that they could make an agreement like that (And somehow I knew Mel13 would be the one to know:lol) but it was just a scenario I was throwing out there as a possibility for why an agent would feel it best not to comment, at this time.

I'm just wondering why there seems to be smoke, when all the logic points to Splitter no sooner than '10?

This has been the strangest offseason in many years. I would have bet a house payment against the proposition that Holt would sign off on spending an extra $20M.

With regard to Splitter, none of us have any idea what motivates him. He made a good salary this past season. He also lost his sister. Perhaps he is ready for a change even if it is financially harmful. After the events of the last few weeks, I've given up making predictions.

[loveforthegame]

What makes sense is that Splitter will come over if the starting spot is his for the taking. It makes sense for the Spurs to see if they could land a Wallace or a McDyess first. If not, then signing Splitter to start and using the MLE for a good reserve big candidate like a Bass or Davis makes some sense.

Of course, part of what doesn't fit would be the offer to Haislip, unless the Spurs feel that it's a separate, speculative move. It seems like the Spurs are proceeding as if they hadn't drafted Blair. One wonders if Mahinmi could be on his way out of town...

It might take someone like Mahinmi to unload Bonner and Finley. I know they're expiring contracts but if it's a big in return it can still be costly. A young prospect like Mahinmi or Hill (very unlikely) or a first round pick would likely have to be included as well.

[Marcus Bryant]

Well, it could also be that they were considering a young free agent PF to start and then next summer bringing over Splitter.

[angelbelow]

definitely interested in some sort of closure on this matter.

[Russ]

What makes sense is that Splitter will come over if the starting spot is his for the taking.

Regardless of McDyess, the starting spot is there for the taking. McDyess was a reserve on those good Piston teams (and that was four years ago).


What makes sense is that Splitter will come over if the starting spot is his for the taking.

Unfortunately, what doesn't make sense is Splitter coming over until the three year rookie salary structure expires for him next summer. It makes absolutely no sense that he can't spend one year (this year) under that rookie system without buying into the full three years -- especially when he can just wait till next summer and be completely free of it.


One wonders if Mahinmi could be on his way out of town...

He's been in town?

[Marcus Bryant]

Regardless of McDyess, the starting spot is there for the taking. McDyess was a reserve on those good Piston teams (and that was four years ago).

Not so sure. I think the Spurs are offering McDyess that.




Unfortunately, what doesn't make sense is Splitter coming over until the three year rookie salary structure expires for him next summer. It makes absolutely no sense that he can't spend one year (this year) under that rookie system without buying into the full three years -- especially when he can just wait till next summer and be completely free of it.


Better to start the clock on his NBA career and increase the likelihood of getting one, if not two, long term guaranteed large money deals during his career. Plus who's to say the Spurs don't find a way between now and next year to add a legit starting 5...and not have an interest in bringing him over next season. If they didn't bring him over, I'm not sure they'd deal him. Yes, they dealt Scola. But that saved them at least $13 mil.

[Blackjack]

What makes sense is that Splitter will come over if the starting spot is his for the taking. It makes sense for the Spurs to see if they could land a Wallace or a McDyess first. If not, then signing Splitter to start and using the MLE for a good reserve big candidate like a Bass or Davis makes some sense.

Of course, part of what doesn't fit would be the offer to Haislip, unless the Spurs feel that it's a separate, speculative move. It seems like the Spurs are proceeding as if they hadn't drafted Blair. One wonders if Mahinmi could be on his way out of town...

Yeah, maybe the starting spot would be enough to entice him.. But, still, that's a lot of cash he'd be passing on. (Unless, for some reason, the checks weren't coming in full, or on time)

I just can't see them not making a trade. The pieces just don't quite fit right in the front court, and Tim is their only passable center.

They've got Bonner, Mahinmi and Haislip who are light in the ass defensively in the post, (although Mahinmi has potential) possibly 'Dyess who's not more than an average post-defender, (despite an honest effort) you've got an undersized tank in Blair who while immovable, is a rookie and foul-prone, and you've got your one true anchor in Tim; someone you've really been trying to lessen the load on because of age and injuries.

The addition of Haislip, if it was for the LLE, makes it hard to envision much of a role when you take into consideration Blair and hopefully Dyess' prescence.. And you could probably say the same for Mahinmi. (Who, while does have potential, doesn't seem to be held in too high of regard.)

[Blackjack]

This has been the strangest offseason in many years. I would have bet a house payment against the proposition that Holt would sign off on spending an extra $20M.

You wouldn't have been the only one.:lol


With regard to Splitter, none of us have any idea what motivates him. He made a good salary this past season. He also lost his sister. Perhaps he is ready for a change even if it is financially harmful. After the events of the last few weeks, I've given up making predictions.

Yeah, I haven't been one of the bashers of his decision, even if it pained me for him to do it, but the story of his sister seemed a perfectly plausible explanation.

Had the economy not taken the turn it had and the unfortunate circumstance with his sister hadn't taken place, I have little doubt after seeing him here on his first visit, that he'd be here right now.

It's sucks as a Spurs fan but I can't say I wouldn't have done the same thing. If I had something like that happen in my family and was going to get paid multiple times more money to stay where I was, closer to my loved ones, how could I not?


Regardless of McDyess, the starting spot is there for the taking. McDyess was a reserve on those good Piston teams (and that was four years ago).

McDyess didn't only accept coming off the bench, he preferred it.

Maybe it was just due to the rhythm he was in but 'Dyess is a different cat.

He's gotten over himself; just one more reason he'd be a great fit with the Spurs.

[Russ]

Better to start the clock on his NBA career and increase the likelihood of getting one, if not two, long term guaranteed large money deals during his career.

If I understand this correctly, though, Splitter would be better off not "starting the clock" if he wants long term big money deals in the near future.

If he waits till next year he can sign for whatever he wants.

If he comes this year, he's not only stuck with the 1st year rookie rate this year, he's stuck with the 2d year rookie contract rate next year as well (and the 3rd year rate after that).

Basically, if comes over one year earlier he's stuck with in a low-paying three year salary structure.

He could arguably sign a one-year deal next year that might equal the total salary he'd make in that three-year structured deal and he'd be a free agent at the end of the one year deal (rather than being stuck for two more low-paying years).

This seems so ridiculous, it is hard to believe. But that's the way it appears to work. Please tell me I'm missing something here. (I claim no expertise in these things.)

[Blackjack]

If I understand this correctly, though, Splitter would be better off not "starting the clock" if he wants long term big money deals in the near future.

If he waits till next year he can sign for whatever he wants.

If he comes this year, he's not only stuck with the 1st year rookie rate this year, he's stuck with the 2d year rookie contract rate next year as well (and the 3rd year rate after that).

Basically, if comes over one year earlier he's stuck with in a low-paying three year salary structure.

He could arguably sign a one-year deal next year that might equal the total salary he'd make in that three-year structured deal and he'd be a free agent at the end of the one year deal (rather than being stuck for two more low-paying years).

This seems so ridiculous, it is hard to believe. But that's the way it appears to work. Please tell me I'm missing something here. (I claim no expertise in these things.)

Basically..

Like I said, the logic all seems to point to '10.

The only reason this is being debated is because of the perceived smoke and the way this off-season has gone thus far.

As Spurs fans, we're really in completely uncharted-territory..

[Solid D]

Chuck Miketinac said Tuesday evening on his 9:45 PM Sportscast that Splitter's agent Herb Rudoy was questioned regarding Splitter being available this year and Rudoy would not comment, suggesting the question be posed to RC Buford. Hmmm. This made me think that the Spurs were probably going after McDyess first and if he didn't take the Spurs' MLE offer, then Splitter could be an option after all.

[Russ]

This made me think that the Spurs were probably going after McDyess first and if he didn't take the Spurs' MLE offer, then Splitter could be an option after all.

I would reverse those priorities if I was R.C.

[Blackjack]

Chuck Miketinac said Tuesday evening on his 9:45 PM Sportscast that Splitter's agent Herb Rudoy was questioned regarding Splitter being available this year and Rudoy would not comment, suggesting the question be posed to RC Buford. Hmmm. This made me think that the Spurs were probably going after McDyess first and if he didn't take the Spurs' MLE offer, then Splitter could be an option after all.

That's what my original post was referring to.

But, if what you were lead to believe is true, Splitter being the fall-back, does a guaranteed starting-role really make up for the cash he'd forfeit by committing to the rookie pay-scale this year?

[Solid D]

That's what my original post was referring to.

But, if what you were lead to believe is true, Splitter being the fall-back, does a guaranteed starting-role really make up for the cash he'd forfeit by committing to the rookie pay-scale this year?

I must be tired. Somehow, I missed a page. Sorry about that Blackjack21.

To answer your question, it would have to make up for it somewhat, and I'm not sure why Rudoy would defer to RC if it were not enough to make up for lost salary.

[poeticism707]

Stoo. Pid.
:lol

[Bruno]

The situation around Splitter surely more complicated than "it will stay in Spain for sure until at least 2010".

Now, Spurs aren't in the driver seat. The max they can offer is 120% of the rookie scale and $500K for a buyout. I'm sure that Spurs have offered that. The rest will depend on how bad Splitter wants to play in NBA and if Tau is ready to let him go.

[poeticism707]

The situation around Splitter surely more complicated than "it will stay in Spain for sure until at least 2010".

Now, Spurs aren't in the driver seat. The max they can offer is 120% of the rookie scale and $500K for a buyout. I'm sure that Spurs have offered that. The rest will depend on how bad Splitter wants to play in NBA and if Tau is ready to let him go.

By the time the Spurs actually get him, they very well may not want him.

[Manufan909]

The situation around Splitter surely more complicated than "it will stay in Spain for sure until at least 2010".

Now, Spurs aren't in the driver seat. The max they can offer is 120% of the rookie scale and $500K for a buyout. I'm sure that Spurs have offered that. The rest will depend on how bad Splitter wants to play in NBA and if Tau is ready to let him go.

Til when does Tiago have to decide before he can't come over(factoring in the beginning of his season with Tau, or any FIBA Championships/Tourneys)?

[bishopospurs]

Does anyone have a link to vi a pdf of an actual rookie scale contract? I would really like to read it just to try and find some sort of loop hole in the contract. What if Pop and RC promise not to pick up the 3rd year? Is that possible? I Wouldn't mind seeing Splitter and McDyess being the two centers this season, it all depends on how they break up the MLE/LLE, and we won't really know that till tomorrow or the next day, if not later. I don't know about Ian, but lets let the Spurs sign Haislip to confirm he is the LLE option before we go reserving minutes more him. If Splitter comes that also means trades are coming before the season starts.

[Solid D]

The situation around Splitter surely more complicated than "it will stay in Spain for sure until at least 2010".

Now, Spurs aren't in the driver seat. The max they can offer is 120% of the rookie scale and $500K for a buyout. I'm sure that Spurs have offered that. The rest will depend on how bad Splitter wants to play in NBA and if Tau is ready to let him go.

That still leaves the curious comments by Splitter's agent, Herb Rudoy, as a head-scratcher. It's up to RC? Okay, you can't see it but I just scratched my head and squinted my right eye in a perplexed manner.

[Blackjack]

I must be tired. Somehow, I missed a page. Sorry about that Blackjack21.

To answer your question, it would have to make up for it somewhat, and I'm not sure why Rudoy would defer to RC if it were not enough to make up for lost salary.

It's all good.:lol

If that really was the case, I honestly believe (if 'Dyess were to come) he'd be willing to come off the bench as he did in Detroit. Especially if it gave him a better shot at a title.

Maybe Splitter wouldn't deserve to start over him, but it would net the Spurs both, instead of an either/or.

I'm pretty sure 'Dyess (and the rest of Spurs nation) would be down with that.

[poeticism707]

Does anyone have a link to vi a pdf of an actual rookie scale contract? I would really like to read it just to try and find some sort of loop hole in the contract. What if Pop and RC promise not to pick up the 3rd year? Is that possible? I Wouldn't mind seeing Splitter and McDyess being the two centers this season, it all depends on how they break up the MLE/LLE, and we won't really know that till tomorrow or the next day, if not later. I don't know about Ian, but lets let the Spurs sign Haislip to confirm he is the LLE option before we go reserving minutes more him. If Splitter comes that also means trades are coming before the season starts.

If you find the loop hole, you can ransom it to NBA GMs for millions.

Not unlike Bryant opting out and and threatening to opt out as often as he can.

[Bruno]

That still leaves the curious comments by Splitter's agent, Herb Rudoy, as a head-scratcher. It's up to RC? Okay, you can't see it but I just scratched my head and squinted my right eye in a perplexed manner.

I'm as perplex as you if Splitter coming next year depends mainly on RC.

[timvp]

Interesting twist to the Sage of Splitter. If the Spurs get McDyess, Splitter next season would be a luxury. Right now, I'm not sold on him being better than someone like Rasho.

But if the Spurs miss out on McDyess, taking a gamble on Splitter is much preferred to overpaying an average bigman. If the hesitation by Splitter is that he wants a guaranteed starting spot, I think that's pretty damn lame. Earn your minutes like every other rookie. If you're good enough, there's plenty of minutes to go around.

[poeticism707]

I'm as perplex as you if Splitter coming next year depends mainly on RC.

Isn't there a such thing as outlasting your usefullness? Splitter is on the verge of that with the Spurs. If doesn't come in 2010, and even that might be too late, then he'll likely never be a Spur.

[Blackjack]

That still leaves the curious comments by Splitter's agent, Herb Rudoy, as a head-scratcher. It's up to RC? Okay, you can't see it but I just scratched my head and squinted my right eye in a perplexed manner.

:lol

It really is a head-scratcher.

The way Rudoy said that he couldn't comment at this time, and how he referred Miketinac to the Spurs, it's really baffling.

It honestly sounded like the Spurs could have Splitter if they wanted him..

[Bruno]

Til when does Tiago have to decide before he can't come over(factoring in the beginning of his season with Tau, or any FIBA Championships/Tourneys)?

There isn't a defined deadline.
If Splitter has negotiated with Tau about a leaving, it's quite sure Tau has put a deadline. For reference, the deadline fro Scola was on mid July.

[bishopospurs]

I am not necessarily saying I would find something another good lawyer couldn't find, but we make it sound like there is no getting around the rookie scale contract. I have never read a contract dealing with sports and I would like to read it, has anyone on these boards ever read a real NBA contract before of any nature?

[poeticism707]

It honestly sounded like the Spurs could have Splitter if they wanted him..

That's what I mean: two seasons ago, Splitter would have been a VERY GOOD ADDITION. Now, not so much. And if the Spurs add a legit big, ie Dice, then not at all.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I am not necessarily saying I would find something another good lawyer couldn't find, but we make it sound like there is no getting around the rookie scale contract. I have never read a contract dealing with sports and I would like to read it, has anyone on these boards ever read a real NBA contract before of any nature?

I guarantee you that if there were any loopholes one of the FOs would have found them by now.

We can pay Splitter whatever we want starting in 2010, so that's likely when he'll come over, if at all.

[xellos88330]

Fuck!!! I can't help looking at this thread!

[bishopospurs]

I guarantee you that if there were any loopholes one of the FOs would have found them by now.

We can pay Splitter whatever we want starting in 2010, so that's likely when he'll come over, if at all.
I am sure they FO's would have found loopholes, but I would like to read the contract, or the rules of said contract. I am sure different franchises have their lawyers draw up different contracts for different rookies, so really I guess I am more curious about what the NBA rules regarding rookie contracts are, just for my own knowledge.

[poeticism707]

I can't help looking at this thread!
:wakeup

That makes a bunch of us! Get the coffee, it's going to be a long night!

[barbacoataco]

If Splitter stands to make a lot more money by waiting one more season there is a good chance that will happen.

[bishopospurs]

Fuck!!! I can't help looking at this thread!

I know, I get sucked into it every time it comes back up. I feel like an abandoned dog, you wait at the front door of your empty house, but you know deep down your owners will never return, and eventually you are to starved to walk, then it is only a matter of time.

[bishopospurs]

If Splitter stands to make a lot more money by waiting one more season there is a good chance that will happen.

That is also one more season of being unproven/risking injury/staying in the closet

[MaNu4Tres]

That's what I mean: two seasons ago, Splitter would have been a VERY GOOD ADDITION. Now, not so much. And if the Spurs add a legit big, ie Dice, then not at all.

Getting him now would be an awesome bonus to a potentially GREAT off-season IF McDyess comes to San Antonio. ( hell it is already great without McDyess compared to the last couple of years)imo

1) They would get him on the rookie scale contract
2) It would make Bonner VERY expendable
3) It would add our only other true 7 footer outside of Duncan who to match up with the Lakers and Celtics front-line.
4) Buford already made the mistake once about thinking like you, and coming up with a bonehead decision that Scola wouldn't be a good addition since they had spots taken up already by Oberto/ Elson/ Jackie Butler/ ect.


If Splitter wants to come this year, Spurs would be very stupid not to get him over here for the rookie scale contract. That being said I don't think the ball is in the Spurs' court like Miketenic might have said. The ball more than likely is in Tau's court first, then Splitter, then the Spurs.



Splitter/ Tim/ McDyess/ Blair/ Haislip/ Mahimni front line sounds too good to be true. Versatile/ Mobile/ Energetic Frontline we have wished for years.

[Manufan909]

There isn't a defined deadline.
If Splitter has negotiated with Tau about a leaving, it's quite sure Tau has put a deadline. For reference, the deadline fro Scola was on mid July.

Thank you very much, my good man. Ok, from the possible players at 3-5, who do you think will stick? Since the Spurs tend to have 5 bigs, and I have 8, I'll just hope Bonner gets traded, Gist stays in Italy, and... I have no clue after that. If the Spurs get Dice AND Tiago, I'm assuming the deal with Haislip will be cancelled, and Bonner will be salary dumped somehow. That would make six bigs, I have no clue how everyone would get solid minutes, unless Dice, Ian, and Tiago allowed Duncan to play 25-28 min most nights. Hopefully Fin is traded too, and Gist gets to try his hand at the SF. If it didn't work out, could he be a Toro?

3- Jefferson/Hairston/Finley
4- TD/Blair/Haislip/Bonner/Gist
5- Tiago/Dice/Ian

[bishopospurs]

http://towleroad.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/amaechi_1.jpg

[poeticism707]

That is also one more season of being unproven/risking injury/staying in the closet.

:huh

[Blackjack]

Interesting twist to the Sage of Splitter. If the Spurs get McDyess, Splitter next season would be a luxury. Right now, I'm not sold on him being better than someone like Rasho.

But if the Spurs miss out on McDyess, taking a gamble on Splitter is much preferred to overpaying an average bigman. If the hesitation by Splitter is that he wants a guaranteed starting spot, I think that's pretty damn lame. Earn your minutes like every other rookie. If you're good enough, there's plenty of minutes to go around.

I'd normally agree, but with the amount of money he'd be giving up, it's hard to blame him. (if that is the case)

Besides, if you could get 'Dyess and Splitter and you'd only have to bring 'Dyess off the bench for as long as Splitter's successful, it's a win/win in my eyes.

I don't think Tiago's some risk of being a malcontent if he's not capable of handling the starting role. If his play warrants coming off the bench, I don't think you'd get much trouble out of him, as long as he wasn't banished to Pop's doghouse.

I just think he's probably been relayed the "horror stories" of players like Vag. that have claimed to have been lied to, and not given an opportunity to play.

I can't believe I've actually started to entertain the possibilty.:drunk

[bishopospurs]

Thank you very much, my good man. Ok, from the possible players at 3-5, who do you think will stick?
3- Jefferson/Hairston/Finley
4- TD/Blair/Haislip/Bonner/Gist
5- Tiago/Dice/Ian

Jefferson, TD, Blair, Haislip, Tiago, Dice, that is saying if everyone here is going to be on the roster. I think Ian and Gist are on the fence. Everyone else:nope

[DPG21920]

If the Spurs get him next year, could they use the MLE on him? Or just available cap space (if it is less than the MLE).

[bishopospurs]

:huh

sorry, getting tired, need sleepy, just joking, I have no idea about Splitter's sexual orientation

[poeticism707]

Thank you very much, my good man. Ok, from the possible players at 3-5, who do you think will stick? Since the Spurs tend to have 5 bigs, and I have 8, I'll just hope Bonner gets traded, Gist stays in Italy, and... I have no clue after that. If the Spurs get Dice AND Tiago, I'm assuming the deal with Haislip will be cancelled, and Bonner will be salary dumped somehow. That would make six bigs, I have no clue how everyone would get solid minutes, unless Dice, Ian, and Tiago allowed Duncan to play 25-28 min most nights. Hopefully Fin is traded too, and Gist gets to try his hand at the SF. If it didn't work out, could he be a Toro?

3- Jefferson/Hairston/Finley
4- TD/Blair/Haislip/Bonner/Gist
5- Tiago/Dice/Ian

No way the Spurs are letting Haislip walk before they see if and how much he can contribute.

Either Gist or Ian would be gone and Haislip would be on the team, as they've already agreed to sign him.

[MaNu4Tres]

Blair/ Gist/ Yanny/ Haislip is the cluster of players that will need to exceed any expectations to earn a spot in the rotation. Who out of that cluster will that be? Only time will tell.

[Blackjack]

That's what I mean: two seasons ago, Splitter would have been a VERY GOOD ADDITION. Now, not so much. And if the Spurs add a legit big, ie Dice, then not at all.

You're kidding, right?

Splitter's a serviceable big that would give the Spurs a legit person to back up/play alongside Tim at the 5.

Plus, if he were to sign, you'd be getting him at the rookie pay-scale which is a value you're not going to find out on the market.

Duncan
McDyess
Splitter
Blair
Haislip
Mahinmi
Bonner

Bonner and/or Mahinmi probably being moved:

To start the season?

[Bruno]

That's the way I see Spurs bigmen crop:

Duncan, Blair, Haislip and the MLE big are in a quite comfortable situation. Blair is a rookie whose Spurs are trilled to have drafted. Spurs likes Haislip enough to spend $4M (with the luxury tax) on him next year.

Bonner, Mahinmi and Gist are on the thin ice. Bonner disastrous playoffs has surely hurts him. Mahinmi has to show something good damn quickly. I don't see Gist will make the team next year if Pop don't think he can turn him into a 3.

If Spurs add Splitter, players on thin ice will be on a thinner ice. Mahinmi is likely the one that will be hurt the most by a Splitter signing.

[Blackjack]

If the Spurs get him next year, could they use the MLE on him? Or just available cap space (if it is less than the MLE).

I've asked about that, but I do know that they'll be allowed to pay up to the MLE to bring him over next year. (I'm just not sure if it's the actual MLE or the equivalent amount)

[poeticism707]

You're kidding, right?

Splitter's a serviceable big that would give the Spurs a legit person to back up/play alongside Tim at the 5.

Plus, if he were to sign, you'd be getting him at the rookie pay-scale which is a value you're not going to find out on the market.

Duncan
McDyess
Splitter
Blair
Haislip
Mahinmi
Bonner

Bonner and/or Mahinmi probably being moved:

To start the season?

My point was not so much now, but 2010. The Spurs could perhaps swing a deal for yet another big (Camby?), which would then make Splitter obsolete. The only thing for the Spurs would have left then is to perhaps sign and trade him.

I'm not trying to make him seem useless, but the Spurs cannot wait to see if they the Euro dives, or his team gets a new gm, or whatever other far fetched scenarios that might play out. Tim needs help yesterday! Not to mention, Splitter would have to go through the same ropes of proving himself as everyone else. Which means if he came in 2010, he wouldn't be too much use until 2012, and by then Tim may be done, and Splitter's very spot on the team is redundant.

Very soon, he'll have to come, or it'll be too late.

[Blackjack]

My point was not so much now, but 2010. The Spurs could perhaps swing a deal for yet another big (Camby?), which would then make Splitter obsolete. The only thing for the Spurs would have left then is to perhaps sign and trade him.

I'm not trying to make him seem useless, but the Spurs cannot wait to see if they the Euro dives, or his team gets a new gm, or whatever other far fetched scenarios that might play out. Tim needs help yesterday! Not to mention, Splitter would have to go through the same ropes of proving himself as everyone else. Which means if he came in 2010, he wouldn't be too much use until 2012, and by then Tim may be done, and Splitter's very spot on the team is redundant.

Very soon, he'll have to come, or it'll be too late.

I'm not sure why you want to render a useful asset obsolete but the scenario we're suggesting would have Splitter here, this year.

Splitter, IIRC, is still only 24 (the same age as McClinton) and although there will be a transition to be made from Euro to NBA, this guys been playing professionally for years in leagues superior to the college game. He's not as skilled as Scola, (although physically more gifted) but look how soon he was able to make an impact.

Splitter would only be asked to be a big body, defend to the best of his ability, and be the glorified garbage man playing off the Big 4.

IOW, not quite learning the point.

[poeticism707]

I'm not sure why you want to render a useful asset obsolete but the scenario we're suggesting would have Splitter here, this year.

Splitter, IIRC, is still only 24 (the same age as McClinton) and although there will be a transition to be made from Euro to NBA, this guys been playing professionally for years in leagues superior to the college game. He's not as skilled as Scola, (although physically more gifted) but look how soon he was able to make an impact.

Splitter would only be asked to be a big body, defend to the best of his ability, and be the glorified garbage man playing off the Big 4.

IOW, not quite learning the point.

Good points all.

It just gets sickening hearing the same names every summer (or different names), and year after year, Tim has to go to battle with playdo.

C'mon Dice, break this vicious cycle!

[Manufan909]

Good points all.

It just gets sickening hearing the same names every summer (or different names), and year after year, Tim has to go to battle with playdo.

C'mon Dice, break this vicious cycle!

:toast

[Blackjack]

Good points all.

It just gets sickening hearing the same names every summer (or different names), and year after year, Tim has to go to battle with playdo.

C'mon Dice, break this vicious cycle!

Well, can't argue with that.:tu

[DBMethos]

Interesting to see how this plays out. Wonder if the Spurs are trying to woo Splitter by emphasizing that these might be the last 2 seasons of Duncan's career? If Tiago has intentions of coming in and learning from the best, his window of opportunity could be closing very soon.

[GSH]

One theme I've heard from European transfer players is their desire for guaranteed minutes. I've seen it come into discussions several times lately, including a comment that Gortat made yesterday. I think I remember that being an issue with Splitter, although I don't know if he put it in exactly those terms. I understand the players' point of view, and there are some teams that have made guarantees to players to help them commit. But the Spurs have never been willing to even discuss anything like guaranteed minutes.

I don't see any possibility of Splitter coming this season for the rookie scale, when he can get a much bigger deal next season and have less or no buyout. But... if there were any possibility of it happening, for whatever bizarre reason, I can't picture him making all that sacrifice without a guarantee of playing time. And even though I think he is good enough to be on the floor right away, I can't see the Spurs ever making such a promise.

Too many factors against, and only wishful thinking working for him arriving sooner than 2010.

[Malice]

Im so tired of seeing this dudes name. If he cant help the team today, or in the near future, then why the time on this? Im sure this topic has been beaten to death (just a hunch). Its a long shot he ever play here at all from what i've read in this thread. Move on.

[Balance]

I don't know if this is a reliable source (I guess not) but...

Agora é definitivo

Joinvilense Tiago Splitter, pivô que se apresenta à Seleção Brasileira de basquete no dia 28, ao lado dos astros da NBA Leandrinho, Anderson Varejão e Nenê, fica no Tau Cerámica só mais uma temporada. Em agosto do ano que vem, desembarca no San Antonio Spurs, time do famoso ala argentino Ginóbili e do americano Tim Duncan, considerado um dos três maiores pivôs do mundo.

Hoje supervalorizado pela excelente temporada que viveu na última Euroliga e no próprio Campeonato Espanhol, Tiago leva a vida que pediu a Deus. Ao lado da família, de bem com os amigos e projetando um futuro radiante. Jogar na NBA é um sonho que ele acalenta desde criança.

http://www.clicrbs.com.br/anoticia/jsp/default2.jsp?uf=2&local=18&source=a2570826.xml&template=4191.dwt&edition=12661&section=888

I would try to translate it, but it would be worse than BabelFish... Basically, it's saying it's official (?) that Splitter will play in Europe only one more year.

[Balance]

I don't know if this is a reliable source (I guess not) but...

And I know this is not reliable, because it says Nene will play for the national team... Sorry for wasting your time... :(

[AFBlue]

I don't see any possibility of Splitter coming this season for the rookie scale, when he can get a much bigger deal next season and have less or no buyout.

I've seen this statement a few times recently (not just by you), and I don't get it. Splitter was drafted in the first round, which means he can only receive the guaranteed salary associated with that first round slot right?

It shouldn't matter whether he came over before last year or comes over in 2012 should it?

If I'm wrong, please explain.

[Russ]

I don't know if this is a reliable source (I guess not) but...


http://www.clicrbs.com.br/anoticia/jsp/default2.jsp?uf=2&local=18&source=a2570826.xml&template=4191.dwt&edition=12661&section=888

I would try to translate it, but it would be worse than BabelFish... Basically, it's saying it's official (?) that Splitter will play in Europe only one more year.

The Spurs will have to settle for McDyess then.

[Mel_13]

I've seen this statement a few times recently (not just by you), and I don't get it. Splitter was drafted in the first round, which means he can only receive the guaranteed salary associated with that first round slot right?

It shouldn't matter whether he came over before last year or comes over in 2012 should it?

If I'm wrong, please explain.

It's all here:

http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/04/23/tiago-splitter-news/

[bishopospurs]

Here is what bothers me about Splitter and the staying over for the money stuff. Don't you think Blake Griffin could go to Europe and make way more than the rookie pay scale? Imagine the reaction people would have if Griffin made the same decision. Splitter has the chance to play with one of the best bigs in the history of the game, it just doesn't sit well.

[Marcus Bryant]

If I understand this correctly, though, Splitter would be better off not "starting the clock" if he wants long term big money deals in the near future.

If he waits till next year he can sign for whatever he wants.

Provided the Spurs have room for him. Also, that deal would likely be similar to Scola's (3 yrs/$10 mil). The Spurs aren't going to give him a large contract. Remember Ginobili's first NBA contract after his Euroleague MVP season or whatever. But they are going to structure the contract such that they end up with his full Bird Rights at the end of it. He could jump to the league now, put in one year of experience, and then be two years away from a long term contract instead of three.




If he comes this year, he's not only stuck with the 1st year rookie rate this year, he's stuck with the 2d year rookie contract rate next year as well (and the 3rd year rate after that).

Basically, if comes over one year earlier he's stuck with in a low-paying three year salary structure.


He's not going to get a $40 mil deal if he waits a year. Scola didn't. Ginobili didn't. Nocioni didn't.



He could arguably sign a one-year deal next year that might equal the total salary he'd make in that three-year structured deal and he'd be a free agent at the end of the one year deal (rather than being stuck for two more low-paying years).

This seems so ridiculous, it is hard to believe. But that's the way it appears to work. Please tell me I'm missing something here. (I claim no expertise in these things.)

The Spurs won't agree to that which does not provide them with some kind of advantage when their player becomes a free agent, or at least puts them on a level playing field. That won't be a 1 year deal, as it confers no Bird Rights (full or early).

[Mel_13]

He could jump to the league now, put in one year of experience, and then be two years away from a long term contract instead of three.

If he comes over this year, he will be a RFA in the summer of 2013 after the two guaranteed years and the two team option years.

If he waits until next year and signs a three yr deal, he will be a RFA in the summer of 2013.

He gets no closer to free agency by coming over this summer.

[MB20]

I don't know if this is a reliable source (I guess not) but...


http://www.clicrbs.com.br/anoticia/jsp/default2.jsp?uf=2&local=18&source=a2570826.xml&template=4191.dwt&edition=12661&section=888

I would try to translate it, but it would be worse than BabelFish... Basically, it's saying it's official (?) that Splitter will play in Europe only one more year.


I´ll try:

Tiago Splitter will join the NT on July 28th, together with Barbosa, Varejao and Nene.
In August of next year (2010?) he will be joining the San Antonio Spurs, team where the famous argentinian Manu Ginobili and american Tim Duncan - considered one of the 3 best big men in the world - play.
With his value at record highs, after an excellent season in Europe, he is living the life he asked to God.
Close to his family and friends, and a bright future.
Playing in the NBA is a dream he has since he was a kid.


Well...it says something like that...basically...:lol

[Spurs Brazil]

It's all here:

http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/04/23/tiago-splitter-news/

It says he'll stay with Tau next season and will be in San Antonio in 2011

[bishopospurs]

I´ll try:

Tiago Splitter will join the NT on July 28th, together with Barbosa, Varejao and Nene.
In August of next year (2010?) he will be joining the San Antonio Spurs, team where the famous argentinian Manu Ginobili and american Tim Duncan - considered one of the 3 best big men in the world - play.
With his value at record highs, after an excellent season in Europe, he is living the life he asked to God.
Close to his family and friends, and a bright future.
Playing in the NBA is a dream he has since he was a kid.


Well...it says something like that...basically...:lol
sounds like the writer is not exactly an insider

[Big P]

I´ll try:

Tiago Splitter will join the NT on July 28th, together with Barbosa, Varejao and Nene.
In August of next year (2010?) he will be joining the San Antonio Spurs, team where the famous argentinian Manu Ginobili and american Tim Duncan - considered one of the 3 best big men in the world - play.
With his value at record highs, after an excellent season in Europe, he is living the life he asked to God.
Close to his family and friends, and a bright future.
Playing in the NBA is a dream he has since he was a kid.


Well...it says something like that...basically...:lol

As long as you got the part about him joining the Spurs next August. :toast

[oligarchy]

Section 2. Rookie Contracts for Later-Signed First Round Picks.
Except as provided in Section 3 below, a First Round Pick who does not sign with the Team that holds his draft rights for any portion of the three (3) Seasons following the NBA Draft in which he was selected (and who did not play intercollegiate basketball during such period) may enter into either (a) a Rookie Scale Contract in accordance with Section 1 above, or (b) if the Team has Room in excess of the applicable first-year Rookie Scale Amount, a Contract covering no fewer than three (3) Seasons that provides for Salary plus Unlikely Bonuses in the first Salary Cap Year up to the amount of the Team’s Room and increases or decreases in Salary and Unlikely Bonuses in subsequent Salary Cap Years in accordance with Article VII, Section 5(c)(1).


They can spend more than the first year scale provided they are under cap, which they will be next year.

[Spurs Brazil]

sounds like the writer is not exactly an insider

It's not

[bishopospurs]

They can spend more than the first year scale provided they are under cap, which they will be next year.
Can he sign a deal now where he plays this year within the current cap and next year expands to accommodate the 2010 cap?

[tempest186]

Being under the cap has nothing to do with it. The Spurs can offer more since it will be three years after he was drafted. The 48MoH article that cites Bruno's work is a fantastic explanation about why.

[oligarchy]

Can he sign a deal now where he plays this year within the current cap and next year expands to accommodate the 2010 cap?

He can sign now for the rookie scale, as a rookie exception. Next year would just be part of his normal rookie scale increase.

I believe he was 26th..

1st: 866.5
2nd: 931.4
3rd (opt): 996.4
4th (opt): 80.3% increase possible over 3rd year salary
QO: 47.6% over 4th year

[Marcus Bryant]

If he comes over this year, he will be a RFA in the summer of 2013 after the two guaranteed years and the two team option years.

If he waits until next year and signs a three yr deal, he will be a RFA in the summer of 2013.

He gets no closer to free agency by coming over this summer.

Spurs can agree to let him become a free agent after the 3rd rookie contract season.

[bishopospurs]

what if they agree not to pick up the options on the 3rd year

[oligarchy]

Being under the cap has nothing to do with it. The Spurs can offer more since it will be three years after he was drafted. The 48MoH article that cites Bruno's work is a fantastic explanation about why.

..and Bruno read the CBA. They can offer what they have under cap, or use the MLE, if over. Cap does have something to do with it.

[bishopospurs]

Does anyone think Marc Gasol would have been a better pick in the 2007 draft than at least Marcus Williams? Or do you think we would be in the same boat as Splitter?

[angelbelow]

in hindsight gasol probably woould have been a WAY better pick. glen davis too. especially over marcus wiliams. OR if we took gasol or big baby with the 29th and tiago with the 33th. but whats done is done.

[Mel_13]

Spurs can agree to let him become a free agent after the 3rd rookie contract season.

Doing so would make him an unrestricted free agent. The Spurs would have no Bird Rights and would have to use cap space or the MLE to keep him.

[Obstructed_View]

Does anyone think Marc Gasol would have been a better pick in the 2007 draft than at least Marcus Williams? Or do you think we would be in the same boat as Splitter?

This far down the road, it's absolutely impossible to suggest that there weren't several picks that would have been better than Marcus.

I think most of us thought Marcus Williams was a shit pick from draft night on. I've tried on a dozen or more occasions to generate any enthusiasm whatsoever for the pick and haven't been able to.

[Marcus Bryant]

Doing so would make him an unrestricted free agent. The Spurs would have no Bird Rights and would have to use cap space or the MLE to keep him.

Yes, he would be unrestricted, but they would not lose Bird Rights.

[Mel_13]

Yes, he would be unrestricted, but they would not lose Bird Rights.

Yes, they would.

There is one more limit to the maximum salary that can be given using the Larry Bird exception. If the player was a first round draft pick and just completed the third year of his rookie scale contract, but his team did not exercise their option to extend the contract for the fourth season (see question number 41), then this exception cannot be used to give him a salary greater than he would have received had the team exercised their fourth year option. In other words, teams can't decline the option in order to get around the salary scale and give the player more money.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q19

[Allanon]

It's very unlikely that Splitter would join the Spurs this year. The financials just don't make sense for Splitter to come this year. There's a huge contract buyout penalty and he'd make like 10 times more money staying in his currect Tau contract. Why should he take a buyout?

If he's coming, it will be for the 2010-2011 season.