Sources: Mavs pursue Raps' Marion

[crc21209]

Sources: Mavs pursue Raps' Marion
By Marc Stein
ESPN.com



The Dallas Mavericks, after striking verbal agreements over the past few days to retain Jason Kidd and sign restricted free agent Marcin Gortat to an offer sheet, have identified their latest target: Shawn Marion.

The Mavericks and Toronto Raptors, according to NBA front-office sources, are discussing a sign-and-trade deal that would bring Marion to Dallas.


Although no trade appeared imminent Monday night, Dallas has emerged as perhaps the best option for Marion. He appeared to be heading for a new deal with the Raptors when Toronto succeeded in wooing Hedo Turkoglu away from the Portland Trail Blazers with an 11th-hour bid on Friday after Turkoglu had committed to the Blazers.


If the Mavericks and Raptors can strike a deal -- with a third team potentially needed to help make the salary-cap math work -- sources say that former All-Star guard Jerry Stackhouse will almost certainly be headed to the Raptors in the exchange. Stackhouse is scheduled to earn $7 million next season at age 34, but only $2 million of his salary is guaranteed.


Without a sign-and-trade, Marion's options for landing a contract that starts above the projected mid-level exception of $5.8 million next season would appear to be exhausted, with neither Portland nor Oklahoma City -- teams that still have cap space to burn -- expected to make him an offer.



Marc Stein is a senior NBA writer for ESPN.com.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4310011

[mavs>spurs2]

This is what I wan't to hear. Now we just need to keep on upgrading one little piece at a time. We still need to move damps contract for a real center who can score.

[timvp]

Do it.

The Spurs would finally be able to beat the Mavs.

[DPG21920]

What about Howard? Where would he play?

[ducks]

howard for marion
YES

[sprrs]

Do it.

The Spurs would finally be able to beat the Mavs.

Wasn't the reason Marion was always shut down because of Bruce?

[iggypop123]

marion>stackhouse. good move but nothing to scare the elite teams. as long as dampier is on that team they are horrible

[DPG21920]

marion>stackhouse. good move but nothing to scare the elite teams. as long as dampier is on that team they are horrible

Yes, but what do they do with Josh? Who starts? Have fun trying to sort that out.

[monosylab1k]

Do it.

The Spurs would finally be able to beat the Mavs.

Isn't that what you said after we got Kidd?

[monosylab1k]

Yes, but what do they do with Josh? Who starts? Have fun trying to sort that out.

Yeah that's a good point. Two whiny emo crybabies at SF isn't a pretty thing to think about. I think Josh could play SG if he had to tho. Better than having Antoine Wright out there.

[stretch]

Josh can definitely play SG. His playing style fits the SG position well. He likes having the ball, he can handle it and bring it up the court, and he can score. In his first couple years he played a fair amount at the SG position as well. I like the idea of Josh playing SG and Marion at SF. Gives you two long athletic wings to run with Jason Kidd and to switch between on guys like Kobe and Bron. And Marion is a very good rebounder on both ends, still plays decent defense, hits open threes, and finishes well at the rim. Kidd throwing alley-oops to Marion = :tu

PG - Kidd, Barea
SG - Howard, Terry or Wright
SF - Marion, George or Wright
PF - Nowitzki, Bass (if they keep him which i think they will)
C - Gortat, Dampier

pretty solid.

[dude1394]

Isn't that what you said after we got Kidd?

Now that's a pretty good one.

[monosylab1k]

Marion is getting old and noticeably less productive with each passing year tho. I love this if it's a "get Marion for nothing" deal involving Stackhouse. If we ship out anything of value for Marion, this is decidedly less than a home run deal, meaning Cuban/Donnie still have a lot of work to do.

[mavs>spurs2]

We need to move Dumbpier for a real center

[Gino]

EDIT: Turning over new leaf as well.

We know Marion plays well with Kidd and he'll probably be as good player to have along side Dirk.

[JamStone]

When the alternative is Antoine Wright or Devean George, it's absolutely a good move to make. In fact, when the best line-up last year included (5'7") JJ Barea essentially playing the 2-guard, ummm, yeah, you know...

And, I think Josh Howard is capable of playing 2-guard without too much trouble.

[Gino]

The question is what will the Raps want in return?

[timvp]

Isn't that what you said after we got Kidd?

If I keep saying the same thing, eventually I'll be right.

[djohn2oo8]

The question is what will the Raps want in return?

probably something ridiculous....but hey, that wouldn't stop a deal (alas J.Kidd)

[stretch]

EDIT: Turning over new leaf as well.

We know Marion plays well with Kidd and he'll probably be as good player to have along side Dirk.

lol

[Ghazi]

I can only get marginally excited if this is true.

[monosylab1k]

I can only get marginally excited if this is true.

Yeah I'm sure it would be very sad for you to see Stackhouse go.

[Stump]

I think the Raptors had to renounce their rights to Marion to sign Hedo, so they can't do a sign and trade, and the Mavs already used the MLE on Gortat. How are they going to sign him?

[stretch]

I think the Raptors had to renounce their rights to Marion to sign Hedo, so they can't do a sign and trade, and the Mavs already used the MLE on Gortat. How are they going to sign him?

If that was the case, there would be no discussions.

[Amarelooms]

This is a good move....make it happen Cuban :elephant

[lurker]

I'd be okay with this if they were able to convince Shawn to never speak to the media. Nobody wants to hear the bitch whine anymore.

[Findog]

What about Howard? Where would he play?

SG maybe? Although IMO he is a small forward and doesn't have a reliable enough jumper to play the 2. Still, I like this move if Marion can learn to accept a role and has gotten over his alpha dog pissing matches in Phoenix.

[Findog]

The question is what will the Raps want in return?

Jerry Stackhouse's contract in theory.

[Ghazi]

I would like this move too if Marion turns back the clock 2 years


He had a dip last year in a contract year too... I dunno, I just dunno.

But the motto isss... better than Antoine Wright and such a move pushes Wright out of the rotation/reduces his role greatly.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I'd be okay with this if they were able to convince Shawn to never speak to the media. Nobody wants to hear the bitch whine anymore.


Except for Suns fans. Everyone I know is jizzing themselves at the thought of Marion returning to PHX. We'll see who gets him, I have a hunch he's coming back.

[monosylab1k]

After this, S&T Bass for Anthony Randolph.

Then sit back and watching the Larry O'Brien's pile up.

[Findog]

Damp in effect has an expiring too. We still need a scoring 2. Does Josh become the scoring 2 by default? Hmm...

Gortat
Dirk
Marion
Josh
Kidd

6th Man: Terry
Rotation: Bass (resign that bitch!), Whoever we traded Damp for, Ross, Barea

[DPG21920]

After this, S&T Bass for Anthony Randolph.

Then sit back and watching the Larry O'Brien's pile up.

lol man crush

[Findog]

After this, S&T Bass for Anthony Randolph.

Then sit back and watching the Larry O'Brien's pile up.

I'd say you're crazy, but this is the same franchise that traded Chris Webber to appease Drunk Coach. It could happen again.

[Kori Ellis]

Just don't ever let the Mavs cheerleaders wear Dirk jerseys and not Marion's... or all hell will break lose :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

They can't sign and trade Bass, they don't have bird rights to him (I think).

Anthony Randolph is gonna be a stud next year. He and Goran Dragic.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Just don't ever let the Mavs cheerleaders wear Dirk jerseys and not Marion's... or all hell will break lose :lol


so true.

[Findog]

They can't sign and trade Bass, they don't have bird rights to him (I think).

Anthony Randolph is gonna be a stud next year. He and Goran Dragic.

We have early bird rights on Bass I believe. I think Dallas can offer him close to what the MLE is.

[monosylab1k]

They can't sign and trade Bass, they don't have bird rights to him (I think).

Anthony Randolph is gonna be a stud next year. He and Goran Dragic.

Damn right about that brah.

[K-State Spur]

marion>stackhouse. good move but nothing to scare the elite teams. as long as dampier is on that team they are horrible

maybe not. stackhouse was finally relegated to the bench where he belonged. marion might actually take minutes away from a better player (i.e. howard).

not to mention that marion has typically had negative value against the spurs in the postseason (not that teams need to be gearing up specifically for the spurs right now).

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Damn right about that brah.


Yup, if the Suns traded Tardemire for him when they could have, Dragic 2 Randolph woulda been Stockton to Malone on steroids.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

We have early bird rights on Bass I believe. I think Dallas can offer him close to what the MLE is.


I've never understood what early bird rights are so I'm gonna say you're right on that one.

[bigdog]

Go for it, Cuban.

[Amarelooms]

Go for it, Cuban.

lol...if Mavs get Marion for pretty much nothing the only thing it assures is continued ownage of the Spurs yet again in the playoffs :elephant

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

lol...if Mavs get Marion for pretty much nothing the only thing it assures is continued ownage of the Spurs yet again in the playoffs :elephant

You've never seen Shawn Marion play the Spurs.

[DPG21920]

It would be an interesting line up. I am not a fan of Marion, but the system might fit. It would depend on how effective Josh is at the 2.

You cannot just evaluate Josh at the 2 though. Is what you are possibly losing production wise with Josh moving to the 2 from the 3 offset by what Marion birngs? Long and big 1/2/3 lineup though.

[Findog]

It would be an interesting line up. I am not a fan of Marion, but the system might fit. It would depend on how effective Josh is at the 2.

You cannot just evaluate Josh at the 2 though. Is what you are possibly losing production wise with Josh moving to the 2 from the 3 offset by what Marion birngs? Long and big 1/2/3 lineup though.

If Josh plays like the slasher he can be, he solves the problem of having a guy who can create his shot from the 2. And I certainly like having that combo of wing defenders.

[Shank]

Go for it, Cuban.

Yeah, it's so fucking painful to give up Jerry Stackhouse for a guy that might actually step foot on the court.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Kidd having resigned is important. Marion needs the 4-5 shots created by the PG in order to keep his intensity level there. If Marion goes awhile without a touch on offense, he starts dogging it on defense.



PS - His shot is horrible to look at.

[crc21209]

Yeah, it's so fucking painful to give up Jerry Stackhouse for a guy that might actually step foot on the court.

It can't possibly be only Stackhouse involved in the deal. It may be Josh Howard or Dampier. Either way, not worried bout this if it does happen. Marion's nuts shrivel up everytime he sees the silver & black jerseys across the court.

[Findog]

It can't possibly be only Stackhouse involved in the deal. It may be Josh Howard or Dampier. Either way, not worried bout this if it does happen. Marion's nuts shrivel up everytime he sees the silver & black jerseys across the court.

Nope, Toronto would not want to take back salary. This is about getting rid of an unhappy player who was doublecrossed on a deal and saving some cash in the process.

[Ghazi]

it can't possibly be only stackhouse involved in the deal. It may be josh howard or dampier. Either way, not worried bout this if it does happen. Marion's nuts shrivel up everytime he sees the silver & black jerseys across the court.

4-1

[Amarelooms]

It can't possibly be only Stackhouse involved in the deal. It may be Josh Howard or Dampier. Either way, not worried bout this if it does happen. Marion's nuts shrivel up everytime he sees the silver & black jerseys across the court.

Ummm no...there will be no JHo or Damp in the deal. Nice try though :elephant

[Shank]

It can't possibly be only Stackhouse involved in the deal. It may be Josh Howard or Dampier. Either way, not worried bout this if it does happen. Marion's nuts shrivel up everytime he sees the silver & black jerseys across the court.

It's only Stackhouse and possibly cash. Nothing else is needed when Stack's chip is worth $7 million+.

And as far as Marion's nuts go, he'll be fine. The rest of the Mavs roster doesn't fear the Spurs.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Why would it be a big deal if Damp leaves but they get Gortat?

[monosylab1k]

Marion's nuts shrivel up everytime he sees the silver & black jerseys across the court.

Kinda like what the Spurs as a team do when they see the Mavs walk onto the court.

[BUMP]

Shawn Marion comes to Dallas, Dirk and the rest of the crew take him aside when we play SA, they say "Look. I know what they did to you in Phoenix, but this team is our bitch so just play your game."

Problem solved. :)

[Ghazi]

This is nice for the Mavs. Marion will thrive with Kidd pushing the rock. Id move Howard to the bench, increase the role of Green, and sit the guy that doesnt know how to foul. Allow Howard to play minutes at the 2 as well just to keep him satisfied. Sign Bass and add Gortat to the mix, and I think the Mavs have done just as much as anyone to improve their team.

I like it.



Gerald motha fuckin Green!?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Based on how J-Ho works, I could see Marion all the sudden becoming a Spurs killer :lol

[crc21209]

4-1

Thats cool that you talk shit when your team beat the Spurs when they werent even at full strength. You're such a bad ass. :tu

[VivaPopovich]

Josh can definitely play SG. His playing style fits the SG position well. He likes having the ball, he can handle it and bring it up the court, and he can score. In his first couple years he played a fair amount at the SG position as well. I like the idea of Josh playing SG and Marion at SF. Gives you two long athletic wings to run with Jason Kidd and to switch between on guys like Kobe and Bron. And Marion is a very good rebounder on both ends, still plays decent defense, hits open threes, and finishes well at the rim. Kidd throwing alley-oops to Marion = :tu

PG - Kidd, Barea
SG - Howard, Terry or Wright
SF - Marion, George or Wright
PF - Nowitzki, Bass (if they keep him which i think they will)
C - Gortat, Dampier

pretty solid.

maybe. except josh howard isn't a SG, he's a SF. and Dirk isn't a PF he's a SF. they'll have a winning year but do you think they'll seriously contend for a championship? that's the ultimate goal, cause if you dont get that nothing else means anything.

like i've repeatedly said, move Dirk to SF and consider this a rebuilding year.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Dirk isn't a SF.

[Ghazi]

maybe. except josh howard isn't a SG, he's a SF. and Dirk isn't a PF he's a SF. they'll have a winning year but do you think they'll seriously contend for a championship? that's the ultimate goal, cause if you dont get that nothing else means anything.

like i've repeatedly said, move Dirk to SF and consider this a rebuilding year.

Where the motherfuck do you get the idea that Dirk should be a SF?

[ElNono]

Over/Under for how long until Marion to start crying he doesn't get the ball enough?

[Shank]

Thats cool that you talk shit when your team beat the Spurs when they werent even at full strength. You're such a bad ass. :tu

It only took 3 pages to get into this shit once again.

[ElNono]

Risky move IMHO. But if that's all you can get, I think it's better than standing pat.

[MI21]

Would be a nice move for the Mavericks.

The lack of consistent 3pt shooting from the swingmen wouldn't really matter (Howard is consistent against Spurs, no one else *sigh*) because Kidd is a nice spot up 3pt shooter now and you guys can get Dirk back out there knocking down 3's as well as Terry.

Depending on the center the Mavs can get, a Kidd/Howard/Marion/Dirk/Center with Terry as 6th man could be a nice unique line up. I like it, and I don't particularly like Marion, but it would be a definite improvement :tu

[Shank]

Risky move IMHO. But if that's all you can get, I think it's better than standing pat.

You mean for the Stackhouse chip? He was going to be moved, and who knows - Marion may be the best thing going now or later. Some of the other names thrown about might just be pipedreams. There's only so much money out there and the talent pool is drying up. Teams are going to have to take what they can get and the Mavs could certainly do a whole lot worse than Marion at this point in time.

I still think they bring in Marquis Daniels and do what they can to re-up Bass.

[DPG21920]

Do you consider the Spurs a contender?

With how great the Lakers are, is there anyone that is a contender except for them :lol

[ElNono]

You mean for the Stackhouse chip? He was going to be moved, and who knows - Marion may be the best thing going now or later. Some of the other names thrown about might just be pipedreams. There's only so much money out there and the talent pool is drying up. Teams are going to have to take what they can get and the Mavs could certainly do a whole lot worse than Marion at this point in time.

I still think they bring in Marquis Daniels and do what they can to re-up Bass.

No, because Marion can be a cancer. He's a me-first guy.
Then again, like I said, it's probably better than standing pat.

[Shank]

No, because Marion can be a cancer. He's a me-first guy.
Then again, like I said, it's probably better than standing pat.

DB.com had written something about Marion this morning and threw out the possibility that Dallas wouldn't be the final destination, necessarily. They would be the facilitators in Marion going elsewhere and the Mavs still getting a nice piece in return. Eh, it could happen. But I agree - getting something (Marion) for essentially nothing (Stackhouse) is well worth the gamble.

[BUMP]

Well, there are typically around four teams in any given year that could make the finals, but I find it hard to see how the Spurs are contenders, and the Mavs are not. If the Mavs sign Marion, Gortat, and Bass, I give them just as much a chance as anyone. Those were some close games against Denver. If that one guy knew how to foul, you never know how that series turns out.

I don't understand.

Is there a blue moon outside? You're actually giving us some props?

[Ditty]

The Raptors are trying to cut down and make space for Hedo. Why would they want take back salaries just to give in to the needs of the Mavs. I do not see it happening.

[Shank]

The Raptors are trying to cut down and make space for Hedo. Why would they want take back salaries just to give in to the needs of the Mavs. I do not see it happening.

Maybe you should read up on it a little more. This time, focus really hard on the part about getting a 3rd team involved.

[stretch]

Damp in effect has an expiring too. We still need a scoring 2. Does Josh become the scoring 2 by default? Hmm...

Gortat
Dirk
Marion
Josh
Kidd

6th Man: Terry
Rotation: Bass (resign that bitch!), Whoever we traded Damp for, Ross, Barea

I'm curious as to who this Ross guy is that you keep talking about. I haven't seen anything about him coming to Dallas.

[Shank]

Quinton Ross.

[sribb43]

I'm curious as to who this Ross guy is that you keep talking about. I haven't seen anything about him coming to Dallas.

a defensive specialist who played at SMU. He has played with the Clips and Griz. Think of him as a very poor mans Raja Bell

[pauls931]

Damn, last thing i want to see, the mavs running the suns into the ground using SSOL... I want marion to stay in the east. Sure he's a product of Nash/Dantoni, but I think the mavs could figure out how to utilize him since the suns and mavs are similar teams. And he's a physical freak with long arms making him ideal for defense.

[sribb43]

Spurs get Jefferson a scoring, slashing, ballhandling forward with their expiring contracts and we get Marion who is on the rapid decline, cant shoot, create his own shot with the Stack chip...As of now i dont like this move. its nice the mavs are trying to improve the team unfortuantely they have idiots running the front office

[stretch]

Quinton Ross.

thats who i thought it was. has he agreed to anything? i havent seen much on him.

[stretch]

Spurs get Jefferson a scoring, slashing, ballhandling forward with their expiring contracts and we get Marion who is on the rapid decline, cant shoot, create his own shot with the Stack chip...As of now i dont like this move. its nice the mavs are trying to improve the team unfortuantely they have idiots running the front office

the thing is, the Mavs need a guy like Marion in the starting lineup. they already got two guys who are 20 ppg scorers, as well as several other guys who are capable of scoring 15+ any given night (Kidd, Terry, Barea, Bass, and possibly Gortat if he turns out as good as we all hope). What they needed a guy who makes a living off of hustle, and Shawn Marion is just that. he is a fantastic rebounder, solid defender, good at running the floor, finishes well, good pick setter, moves off the ball EXTREMELY well (alley-oops from Kidd), plays with lots of energy, contributes without ever needing the ball in his hands... exactly the kind of guy the Mavs are missing in the starting lineup.

Jefferson scores, but doesnt do shit else (although I'm sure Pop will get more out of him, cuz I dont think ive ever seen a coach that can make a player grow in areas that they typically sucked at, better than Pop). marion does everything that jefferson doesnt do, yet still basically has the same looking scoring stats because he lets the offensive opportunities just come to him. On the other hand, jefferson needs the ball to be effective.

I'd be incredibly happy to have Marion.

[sribb43]

the thing is, the Mavs need a guy like Marion in the starting lineup. they already got two guys who are 20 ppg scorers, as well as several other guys who are capable of scoring 15+ any given night (Kidd, Terry, Barea, Bass, and possibly Gortat if he turns out as good as we all hope). What they needed a guy who makes a living off of hustle, and Shawn Marion is just that. he is a fantastic rebounder, solid defender, good at running the floor, finishes well, plays with lots of energy, contributes without ever needing the ball in his hands... exactly the kind of guy the Mavs are missing in the starting lineup.
Jefferson scores, but doesnt do shit else (although I'm sure Pop will get more out of him, cuz I dont think ive ever seen a coach that can make a player grow in areas that they typically sucked at, better than Pop). marion does everything that jefferson doesnt do, yet still basically has the same looking scoring stats because he lets the offensive opportunities just come to him. On the other hand, jefferson needs the ball to be effective.

I'd be incredibly happy to have Marion.

You just described the PHX Marion, if he was still doing that then i'd be all for getting him. However he is not the same player and ever since he left the PHX system his game has declined rapidly. On offense marion will probably sit in the corner and brick 3's. Sure he will get some offensive rebounds but his offensive game is very limited and a lacked up guys who can create their own shot on the Mavs is a huge weakness and puts a great burden on Dirk

[ElNono]

...
he is a fantastic rebounder, solid defender, good at running the floor, finishes well, good pick setter, moves off the ball EXTREMELY well (alley-oops from Kidd), plays with lots of energy, contributes without ever needing the ball in his hands... exactly the kind of guy the Mavs are missing in the starting lineup.
...


This is where I lost you. Marion is going to REQUIRE to have his X amount of shots, wether ill-advised or not, to fill his ego quota. Otherwise he'll start mailing it in.

[pauls931]

I think people are underestimating him. I think Dallas could utilize him very efficiently, especially if Kidd stays. I don't want him going there. Marion needs a PG that can pass the ball to thrive.

[stretch]

You just described the PHX Marion, if he was still doing that then i'd be all for getting him. However he is not the same player and ever since he left the PHX system his game has declined rapidly. On offense marion will probably sit in the corner and brick 3's. Sure he will get some offensive rebounds but his offensive game is very limited and a lacked up guys who can create their own shot on the Mavs is a huge weakness and puts a great burden on Dirk

So you are saying you would rather have Stackhouse?

I think that having a healthy Josh Howard this year will help Dirk tremendously. And if Gortat can pitch in some easy buckets down low, that will be even better. Also, you don't realize what having a cutter like Marion can do for Dirk, because then it makes it harder to double off of him, when he can run around and catch alley-oops all day, especially when having a guy like Jason Kidd who sees everything.

And its easy to dog on him for lack of production when he had been getting traded midseason for the past 2 years, to crappy teams that he hadnt had a chance to really integrate into the systems. Yet he still was averaging around 14 and 8 on 49% shooting. I'll take that all day, if that is the kinds of numbers he puts up when playing like shit. IMO, getting the chance to play with Kidd, Howard, and Dirk, would help him get a lot more easy opportunities on offense.


This is where I lost you. Marion is going to REQUIRE to have his X amount of shots, wether ill-advised or not, to fill his ego quota. Otherwise he'll start mailing it in.

You don't have to dominate the ball to get shots. He will get his open opportunities with Kidd setting the offense, as well as Howard and Dirk absorbing most of the defensive attention.

And I'm sure after having been bounced around the past couple years, he realizes that he's not the superstar he thought he was. Who knows, but I think he would be a great fit in Dallas.

[Shank]

You just described the PHX Marion, if he was still doing that then i'd be all for getting him. However he is not the same player and ever since he left the PHX system his game has declined rapidly. On offense marion will probably sit in the corner and brick 3's. Sure he will get some offensive rebounds but his offensive game is very limited and a lacked up guys who can create their own shot on the Mavs is a huge weakness and puts a great burden on Dirk

Oh, c'mon. He's not that terrible. You're putting him on the Matt Bonner level.

Besides, this isn't the last move they make anyway.

[sribb43]

So you are saying you would rather have Stackhouse?




Oh, c'mon. He's not that terrible. You're putting him on the Matt Bonner level.

Besides, this isn't the last move they make anyway.

Marion>>>>>Bonner>>>Stack

Yes its an upgrade talent wise but is it the best move personel wise? i guess we will have to wait and see

[stretch]

Marion>>>>>Bonner>>>Stack

Yes its an upgrade talent wise but is it the best move personel wise? i guess we will have to wait and see

Yeah, thats all we can do right now. Personally, I think its a fantastic move though.

[dude1394]

Marion>>>>>Bonner>>>Stack

Yes its an upgrade talent wise but is it the best move personel wise? i guess we will have to wait and see

No it's not the best, the best would have been stackhouse for diva, lb or kobe. But crap...who's just giving away people...I liked the VC, Jefferson moves but if you look at what RC/Donnie are doing is bringing in NOBODY who cannot play defense, none.

This will be one heckacious rebounding, defending team I expect. We'll still have problems with quick guards but who doesn't and we should have beaubois, ross to tackle them in spurts.

VC, RJ do not fill the bill for defensive two-way players. Gortat isn't that wonderful an offensive player, but he's a good defensive one AND better than what we have in the middle now.

Josh Howard will play the 2 with no problem. He plays like a 2 for 3 quarters anyway.

People really over-value an expirting contracts...

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

It's a step up if they are just losing the reanimated corpse of Jerry Stackhouse to bring him in, but I can't decide if a J-Ho/Marion pairing is a long, athletic matchup nightmare for the rest of the league or a supersized costly mistake just waiting to happen in crunch time. Might well be both.

[monosylab1k]

If all we're giving up is Stack and other fillers, this is a great move.

If we're giving up Howard or anything else of any value, this is a much less than great move.

Either way this will be nowhere near a Gasol/Jefferson type trade, but to be a good move it at least has to be Gasol/Jefferson-ish.

[monosylab1k]

People really over-value an expirting contracts...
That's what happens when Kwame Brown can magically turn into Pau Gasol.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

How will they do a S&T after Raptors renounce Marion when signing Turk? Besides what would they get in return? If it's only Stack's contract then they just lose 2 mil, doesn't make sense at all.

[sribb43]

How will they do a S&T after Raptors renounce Marion when signing Turk? Besides what would they get in return? If it's only Stack's contract then they just lose 2 mil, doesn't make sense at all.

I've read that Colangelo and Marion are tight from back in their days with PHX and Colangelo would help Marion get the best deal possible

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I think people are underestimating him. I think Dallas could utilize him very efficiently, especially if Kidd stays. I don't want him going there. Marion needs a PG that can pass the ball to thrive.


It's a good thing Dallas' PG is 3rd all time in career assists.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I've read that Colangelo and Marion are tight from back in their days with PHX and Colangelo would help Marion get the best deal possible

This might be true, but when they officially sign Hedo, they'll have to renounce Marion's rights , thus making a S&T impossible.

Here's the link : http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4305310

They can't sign Hedo and S&T Marion. One or the other.

[Muser]

Good deal for Dallas if it happens.

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This might be true, but when they officially sign Hedo, they'll have to renounce Marion's rights , thus making a S&T impossible.

Here's the link : http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4305310

They can't sign Hedo and S&T Marion. One or the other.

Perhaps they do it before signing Hedo. So that would mean they have to do it today.

[Findog]

This might be true, but when they officially sign Hedo, they'll have to renounce Marion's rights , thus making a S&T impossible.

Here's the link : http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4305310

They can't sign Hedo and S&T Marion. One or the other.

I don't know how it works under the CBA, but whatever they're discussing is legal:

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=1806

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Perhaps they do it before signing Hedo. So that would mean they have to do it today.

They can't do both in either succession. If they S&T Marion, they can't sign Hedo.

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They can't do both in either succession. If they S&T Marion, they can't sign Hedo.

Um yeah, I really have a hard time believing they would be discussing it if there was no way that this was possible. I'm 100% sure that there is something you are not currently aware of, that they are which is why the discussions exist.

[Shank]

If they S&T Marion and don't take back any money, then aren't they clearing enough space for Hedo? That's their aim anyway. To work out a deal where they're just shipping out the body and the contract and receiving financial availability in trade.

[Findog]

If they S&T Marion and don't take back any money, then aren't they clearing enough space for Hedo? That's their aim anyway. To work out a deal where they're just shipping out the body and the contract and receiving financial availability in trade.

Sefko and Stein are both reporting that the teams are in talks. I can't believe the teams are discussing a trade that is illegal under the CBA.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If they S&T Marion and don't take back any money, then aren't they clearing enough space for Hedo? That's their aim anyway. To work out a deal where they're just shipping out the body and the contract and receiving financial availability in trade.

If Raptors don't take any money back it'd be possible, but that'd mean getting OKC,Portland or Memphis to eat up contracts. There's no incentive for these teams to lose their available cap space facilitating a trade like this. Of course Dallas might, and prob will, have to include other players in the deal and make it work somehow.If OKC are interested in Howard, for example, then it'd be possible to work something out of this mess. In any case Raptors can't take salary back.

[Shank]

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=1806

Our alternate idea: Maybe OKC or Memphis are being given a choice: Would you prefer Humphries (who makes $2.9M) plus $3M … or … The Stack Chip (with which Stackhouse gets a $2M buyout) plus $3M?
*Yet another alternative: Maybe OKC or Memphis are being given another choice: How about in one trade you get Humphries plus $3M … and in another you get Stack plus $3M?
*And one more angle: Maybe OKC and Memphis are being comparison shopped to see who charges the least for their help.
So originally our concept was Humphries going somewhere for a pick (a notion based on a throwaway mention by Toronto GM Bryan Colangelo) leading to space for Toronto to fit in Stack's contract. Now let's postulate a three-way where:
a) from Dallas to OKC or Memphis .........Stack and $3M cash and/or Humphries plus $3M
b) from Toronto to Dallas ..........Marion to Dallas (that allows the Mavs to offer Marion a deal for up to $9.16M in year one, but in this market it needs to be starting at $7.5M-ish ...aren't all his other options in the MLE-or-less category?)
c) from OKC or Memphis to Toronto ... a conditional future 2nd rounder.

[Shank]

No need for another player in the deal. It can be worked with Stackhouse and cash.

[Findog]

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2009/07/can-the-mavs-get-shawn-marion/

In order for The Matrix to land in Dallas, another team will have to get involved: “The Dallas Mavericks may be one of the NBA teams that helps Bryan Colangelo be creative and help out a soon-to-be ex-Raptor, but there will have to be another team involved…Getting three teams involved in any transaction under the NBA’s arcane salary cap rules is dicey at the best of times. When a team like Toronto needs to come out of a deal without assuming any salary, it complicates matters even more. The Mavs, according to league sources, are dangling the contract of Jerry Stackhouse because it carries only a $2 million guarantee. However, those sources said Toronto, which needs to divest itself of Marion’s contract to have money to pay Turkoglu, can’t even handle that relative pittance.”

[Findog]

http://www.thestar.com/article/661918

he Dallas Mavericks may be one of the NBA teams that helps Bryan Colangelo be creative and help out a soon-to-be ex-Raptor, but there will have to be another team involved.

As ESPN.com reported last night, the Mavericks are now in hot pursuit of Shawn Marion in some sign-and-trade transaction but league sources said the Raptors aren't going to simply take an offer and run with it.

In order to protect the salary cap room necessary to sign free agent Hedo Turkoglu to a contract later this week, the Raptors will only be drawn into a sign-and-trade deal if they can avoid any additional financial obligations to players.

Getting three teams involved in any transaction under the NBA's arcane salary cap rules is dicey at the best of times. When a team like Toronto needs to come out of a deal without assuming any salary, it complicates matters even more.

The Mavs, according to league sources, are dangling the contract of Jerry Stackhouse because it carries only a $2 million guarantee. However, those sources said Toronto, which needs to divest itself of Marion's contract to have money to pay Turkoglu, can't even handle that relative pittance.

The sign-and-trade deal for Marion would allow him to make a little bit more money while being cut adrift by Toronto. If the Raptors can sign him for any amount and give him annual increases of 10.5 per cent, the Mavs can only offer him the mid-level cap exception (estimated at about $5.6 million) and raises of only 8 per cent.

There would be no real benefit to the Raptors, according to league sources, other than helping out a former player without jeopardizing the Turkoglu signing.

The Mavs, however, are not the only team that's inquired about Marion. League sources said Cleveland has expressed a mild interest and even Oklahoma City made a cursory call, although it's unclear how far those talks ever progressed.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

If J-Ho can step up as the 2-guard, signing Marion would make Dallas a one of the 2nd tier teams in the west (with LA being the only 1st tier team as of now).

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Sefko and Stein are both reporting that the teams are in talks. I can't believe the teams are discussing a trade that is illegal under the CBA.

You're probably right, but given the cluster fuck that came from the last time they tried to send Stackhouse somewhere, who knows?

[Shank]

You're probably right, but given the cluster fuck that came from the last time they tried to send Stackhouse somewhere, who knows?

Maybe Stackhouse will keep his mouth shut this time.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Maybe Stackhouse will keep his mouth shut this time.

I'm thinking Twitter will be his weapon of choice when it comes time to fuck this one up.

"Traded to Toronto. Brrrrrr. It's gonna be cold playing out my entire contract in Canada. ::nudge nudge, wink wink:: LOLZ"

[loveforthegame]

It would be a steal for the Mavs to get Marion using only Stackhouse's contract.

[Basketballgirl25]

Isn't that what you said after we got Kidd?

weren't the Mavs suppose to be better with Kidd? Or am I wrong, they made it past the first round sure, but I think they sucked more in the regular season with Kidd:toast

[da_suns_fan]

Marion was more athlete than basketball player.

And now his athleticism has diminished.

You dont want him.

[Culburn369]

...and he's got that horrible shot release from his belly button.

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weren't the Mavs suppose to be better with Kidd? Or am I wrong, they made it past the first round sure, but I think they sucked more in the regular season with Kidd:toast

playoffs > regular season

moron

[Basketballgirl25]

Maybe Stackhouse will keep his mouth shut this time.

Rod Thorn pretty much tryed to save a trade because of stackhouse. Don't remember all the words Rod Thorn said, but pretty much lied and said they would have a spot on the team for him:lol

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Marion was more athlete than basketball player.

And now his athleticism has diminished.

You dont want him.

lulz

one of your finest moments on spurstalk

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80382&page=6

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

lulz

one of your finest moments on spurstalk

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80382&page=6


God there were some really dumb Phoenix fans back in the day.

[Basketballgirl25]

playoffs > regular season

moron

sorry not a moron, talk to some other Mav fans though, at least I know who won the 2006 finals:toast

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God there were some really dumb Phoenix fans back in the day.

you missed out on some classic battles. suns fans were by far the worst fans on the board for quite a while.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

you missed out on some classic battles. suns fans were by far the worst fans on the board for quite a while.


Just reading a few of his posts I can tell that guy DannyB would have pissed me off to a scary point.

Da_Suns_Fan when actually made an actual good point while he was being retarded. I don't like D'antoni at all, but the criticism of him not using the bench is unwarranted. The off season he got fired, Kerr had several Arizona Republic writers talk about him not using DJ Strawberry like the Suns would have gone 16-0 in the playoffs if he did. Then of course Kerr trades him to Houston that same off season. D'antoni never had a good bench to work with in Phoenix. It probably wouldn't have mattered, but he's innocent until proven guilty.

[Warlord23]

If this goes down the Mavs will have a top 5 frontcourt easily. Dampier/Dirk/Marion is better than anything outside of what the Lakers, Cavs or Celtics will have (this changes if the Spurs or Magic get Dice). And they have a viable smallball option in Dirk/Marion/Howard. Plus Marion can take the tougher defensive assignments instead of Dirk.

[jack sommerset]

no way this trade happens.

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Just reading a few of his posts I can tell that guy DannyB would have pissed me off to a scary point.


DannyB had a classic meltdown here. actually, I think he had two. the second time he was under a different username

[kamikazi_player]

This would be an actually good fit for the Mavs, if i were the mavs FO, i'd rather have him than Josh Howard.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

DannyB had a classic meltdown here. actually, I think he had two. the second time he was under a different username


Yeah I remember you told me, and I'm glad he wasn't posting anymore once I started posting cause his posts were annoying to read in that thread you posted a link to.

[SouthTexasRancher]

Go Mavs Go!

Go for it Mark. That would be great news for the Spurs.


Marion is a real winner! NOT...!

[Amarelooms]

Go Mavs Go!

Go for it Mark. That would be great news for the Spurs.


Marion is a real winner! NOT...!

Mavs own your team with or without Marion :elephant

[Findog]

Mavs own your team with or without Marion :elephant

Spurs have the hardware, but them talking shit to us is like us talking shit to Warriors fans. Thank God there is no such thing as Warriors fans...

[SouthTexasRancher]

Mavs own your team with or without Marion :elephant


And your Mavettes have how many NBA Championships???

[SouthTexasRancher]

Are all you Mavette fans gay? Using a pink elephant with your posts. Sheeesh, you girls need to move out to La La Land where they would embrace you cross-dressers!

[sribb43]

Go Mavs Go!

Go for it Mark. That would be great news for the Spurs.


Marion is a real winner! NOT...!

Who the hell is this guy? Any player that plays for the Mavs and goes against the Spurs in the playoffs plays 10x better than they actually are...would love to see Marion rape the Spurs in the playoffs like all the other Mavs have done

[Shank]

Spurfan can't take going more than 4 pages without drawing the attention back to themselves.