Ludden: Spurs pick up Robinson

[Kori Ellis]

Spurs pick up Robinson
Web Posted: 04/05/2005 12:00 AM CDT

Johnny Ludden
San Antonio Express-News

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA040505.1C.spurs.1a797819f.html

Having learned one can never have enough shooters — even, apparently, if they're 32, in questionable shape and haven't played a single NBA game in more than a year — the Spurs signed former All-Star forward Glenn Robinson on Monday.

Robinson, who received a minimum-salary contract pro-rated for the remainder of the season, has averaged 20.8 points in 11 seasons. He hasn't played this season, but shot well enough in a workout to convince team officials he might be able to contribute during the playoff push.

"It's an opportunity to have a guy who's had a pretty impressive NBA career, especially offensively," Spurs general manager R.C. Buford said. "There are nights when we really struggle to make shots. And he's always been a shot-maker."

The Spurs cut guard Dion Glover to make room for Robinson. Glover, who was on his second 10-day contract, played well in stretches during his brief audition, but team officials wanted a more proven shooter.

Robinson underwent arthroscopic surgery on his right elbow a little more than a year ago and spent more than half this season on Philadelphia's injured list reportedly because he had arthritic ankles. A bruised ego also might have contributed to his inactivity.

After Sixers coach Jim O'Brien announced early in training camp he planned to start rookie Andre Iguodala, Robinson reportedly asked for a trade. Philadelphia placed Robinson on the injured list and finally traded him to New Orleans on Feb. 24 for Rodney Rogers and Jamal Mashburn.

The Hornets, who made the deal to clear salary-cap room, waived Robinson after reaching a buyout agreement with him.

With Devin Brown's health still in question, the Spurs wanted to improve their depth at the small-forward position. Team officials view Robinson as a low-risk investment.

The NBA's No. 1 overall pick in the 1994 draft, Robinson became a two-time All-Star during his eight seasons in Milwaukee. He teamed with Ray Allen and Sam Cassell to help lead the Bucks to the 2001 Eastern Conference finals.

One of the league's best midrange shooters, Robinson frequently frustrated the Spurs during his stay with Milwaukee. From 1999-2002, the Spurs lost six consecutive games to the Bucks.

Spurs assistant coach Don Newman worked with Robinson while serving on George Karl's staff in Milwaukee.

Beginning Wednesday, the Spurs will play six games in eight days. The team won't have much opportunity to practice, so Robinson's first task will be to improve his conditioning. He is said to be in mediocre shape.

Tim Duncan, meanwhile, said Monday he will "definitely" be ready to play in the playoffs. Duncan has been sidelined since spraining his right ankle on March 20.

"I don't have any set date," Duncan said. "I'm going to continue to work every day, rehab and, as it feels better, I'll keep pushing myself."

[ChumpDumper]

Spurs assistant coach Don Newman worked with Robinson while serving on George Karl's staff in Milwaukee.I'm sure he had some insights.
He is said to be in mediocre shape. ....

[T Park]

Mediocre shape???

Fantastic move spurs.

But yet, what the hell, ya know, just pluck a guy out of FA that supposedly shoots well.


Worked with Brent Barry.

[theballaplaya]

Sheyitt, I am down wit dis mofo. We be hittin switches like a beyitch up in here.

[TheWriter]

TPark, just give it a break. You make females on their periods seem not so pissy.

[timvp]

Being fat never hurt Chuck Person.

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/11/22/b_2_gallery__550x399.jpg

:smokin

[ChumpDumper]

Hopefully he shoots as well as his workout suggests.

[T Park]

True, Chuck was never gonna make the front of Men's Health.

His back injury in 97 made sure of that.

[LakerGod]

:lol

Another "fantastic" great move by the spursies!


Ok, let me guess why the spursies signed big dog:

A. Make their defense worse.

B. For his charming personality because the spurs are so boring.

C. Because someone in the spurs management believes he is a great player due to his #1 selection in the 1993 draft.

D. Because the spurs have been efficient at acquiring over the hill shooters(Steve Smith, Chuck Person aka The Rifle Man, Danny Fairy).

[T Park]

TPark, just give it a break. You make females on their periods seem not so pissy.

Dont you have a pothole to go fill in the medical district or something Buddy??


Isnt it also time for your nightly report about this forum to your bf Dusty??

STFU.

BTW, everyone, ignore Laker, ignore and he will go awayl

[ChumpDumper]

Lottery.

[gospursgojas]

Spurs have been able to make young, inexperianced players reach thier potential. But I dont know if they will be able to get anything out of old and hard-headed ones. But if anyone can get this guy straighted out, Pop can.

[kskonn]

Spurs have been able to make young, inexperianced players reach thier potential. But I dont know if they will be able to get anything out of old and hard-headed ones. But if anyone can get this guy straighted out, Pop can.


so can wanting to make the playoff roster so that he will have a chance at a ring.

[slayermin]

BBWadmirer901
Posted: Apr 04, 2005 07:02 PM
Spurs signed Glen to?
A. Make their defense worse.
B. For his charming personality because the spurs are so boring.
C. Because someone in the spurs management believes he is a great player due to his #1 selection in the 1993 draft.
D. Because the spurs have been efficient at acquiring over the hill shooters(Steve Smith, Chuck Person aka The Rifle Man, Danny Fairy).

Laker Fraud's post looks very similar to BBWadmirer901 on the ESPN Boards.

I thought you were "asterisk_rules?"

[LakerGod]

Isn't he supposed to be a headcase?

Glen Robinson as a spurs?

:lol

I don't think he is going to fit in under popazit's system because he's not going to kiss his butt, anyone who doesn't kiss pop's butt gets traded or cut (Ala, Malik Rose, Antonio Daniels, Stephen Jackson)

[milkyway21]

is he in good shape now?

So, is Big Dog Robinson READY to play immediately? How soon will it be?

Which player has to suffer to make a room for the Big Dog? Will it be Nazr? Marks?

[Kori Ellis]

is he in good shape now?

No, the article says "mediocre" shape.


Which player has to suffer to make a room for the Big Dog? Will it be Nazr? Marks?

He's not a power forward or a center. The Big Dog is a Small Forward.

[LakerGod]

Laker Fraud's post looks very similar to BBWadmirer901 on the ESPN Boards.

I thought you were "asterisk_rules?"
I'm not asterisk_rules.

[gospursgojas]

anyways, most of those guys with the excepton of maybe steve smith were able to perform, in thier spurs role...remember we are not looking for this guy to be what he used to be, just perform well enough untill Devin, Bruce Tim or whomever comes back into the game

[TheWriter]

Dont you have a pothole to go fill in the medical district or something Buddy??


Isnt it also time for your nightly report about this forum to your bf Dusty??

STFU.

BTW, everyone, ignore Laker, ignore and he will go awayl

TPark... any more fad diets you wanna lose weight on, only to ballon back up to 900 pounds.

Wear that white and gold Spurs jersey proud my boy. It will soon rip down the sides.

[T Park]

white and gold

arent the Spurs home unis white with black and silver??

Whatever.


Dusty's bitch ripping me doesn't bother me a bit.


GO away and back to the OTHER board.





Back on topic.


If he is in MEDIOCRE shape, does he play wednesday.

[boutons]

"mediocre shape"

a euphemism for totally out of shape, which they would never say.

[milkyway21]

Isn't he supposed to be a headcase?

Glen Robinson as a spurs?

:lol

I don't think he is going to fit in under popazit's system because he's not going to kiss his butt, anyone who doesn't kiss pop's butt gets traded or cut (Ala, Malik Rose, Antonio Daniels, Stephen Jackson)

you know LakerGod, if my favorite team has just been SWEPT :owned by the Spurs i wouldn't have shown my face in this forum for the rest of the season and make fun of the organization...

GET LOST :idiot !

SPURS :owned the LAKERS

[T Park]

no, they would say he was out of shape if he was, they have before with Jaren Jackson and Malik Rose.


Mediocre shape tells me, OK shape, but not game shape.


Prob what Alex Garcia is in right now.

[TheWriter]

arent the Spurs home unis white with black and silver??

Whatever.


Dusty's bitch ripping me doesn't bother me a bit.


GO away and back to the OTHER board.

Yeah, that is the jersey colors. But you have one of those nifty white on the front gold on the back Parker jersey's. It's so cooool!

Didn't you win like a lifetime WhatAburger prize or something... how were those three days at Whata?

And like you, Dusty Garza can kiss my ass.

However, I'm scared you'd try to consume me.

[milkyway21]

No, the article says "mediocre" shape.



He's not a power forward or a center. The Big Dog is a Small Forward.hmmnn :rolleyes .okay thanks!

[kskonn]

Isn't he supposed to be a headcase?

Glen Robinson as a spurs?

:lol

I don't think he is going to fit in under popazit's system because he's not going to kiss his butt, anyone who doesn't kiss pop's butt gets traded or cut (Ala, Malik Rose, Antonio Daniels, Stephen Jackson)



Jackson was not traded.

[T Park]

But you have one of those nifty whit eon the front gold on the back Parker jersey's

No I dont, wrong again genius.




Didn't you win like a lifetime WhatAburger prize or something

a year's supply, I also got a 60 inch big screen that I sold for a g note this past winter.

DUsty can kiss your ass??

You must know hes not reading.....

[TheWriter]

No I dont, wrong again genius.





a year's supply, I also got a 60 inch big screen that I sold for a g note this past winter.

DUsty can kiss your ass??

You must know hes not reading.....

No, I know you have a white on the front, gold on the back parker jersey. I saw the earth... opps, you wearing the damn thing in pictures. So unless it was Ralphie May in the picture and not you, it was you.

A years supply to most people. Three day supply to you.

Now back to THE REAL subject.

[T Park]

No, I know you have a white on the front, gold on the back parker jersey. I saw the earth... opps, you wearing the damn thing in pictures. So unless it was Ralphie Mays in the picture and not you, it was you.

A years supply to most people. Three day supply to you

God how old are you 12???


Whats next

your momma's so fat jokes??

Holy christ.

[kskonn]

No, I know you have a white on the front, gold on the back parker jersey. I saw the earth... opps, you wearing the damn thing in pictures. So unless it was Ralphie May in the picture and not you, it was you.

A years supply to most people. Three day supply to you.

Now back to THE REAL subject.


That is a mature way to make your case. Launch a personal attack instead of an attack based on the subject.

[TheWriter]

That is a mature way to make your case. Launch a personal attack instead of an attack based on the subject.

EDIT: Re-read the Spurs Sign Glenn Robinson!! thread.

Personal attacks start on Ralphi May's side.

[TheWriter]

God how old are you 12???


Whats next

your momma's so fat jokes??

Holy christ.

Just posting the T-R-U-T-H.

Just like those commericals.

And like they say: The truth hurts.

[kskonn]

Re-read the thread.

Personal attacks start on Ralphi May's side.

Doesn't matter, i saw that you argue the situation in the other thread.

[T Park]

Just posting the T-R-U-T-H

only problem is

I DONT OWN THAT FUCKIN JERSEY YOU FUCKIN DIPWEED

[TheWriter]

U may not own the jersey now, but you wore it, correct?

Did you sell it? Eat it? Tear it and have to throw it away?

[T Park]

I
Never
Owned
A
Jersey
Like
That

How Many Times Do I Have To Say It To Get It Through Your Thick Fuckin Skull Bozo!

[kskonn]

I think we should have a battle blog on the jersey.

[TheWriter]

Yes you did.

White with the gold on the back.

I remember you bragging bout buying the damn thing at the SBC Center Spurs shop.

[Kori Ellis]

How about this -- one more word out of either of you that I don't think is appropriate and you are BOTH banned for the week?

Deal?

[TheWriter]

.

[milkyway21]

How about this -- one more word out of either of you that I don't think is appropriate and you are BOTH banned for the week?

Deal?:D

[baseline bum]

Mediocre shape? How's a guy in "mediocre" shape going to make an NBA playoff roster?

[kskonn]

Mediocre shape? How's a guy in "mediocre" shape going to make an NBA playoff roster?


I don't know but I guess we will see. I hope he looks better than Rod Strickland did during that game against the spurs.

[whottt]

Glenn Robinson's shot is natural and that's really all he's going to do, in limited minutes IMO...he wasn't slim even when he was playing...

[whottt]

dammit now I have to take writer off ignore to see what happened between he and TPark..it looks like it was some good stuff.

[kskonn]

dammit now I have to take writer off ignore to see what happened between he and TPark..it looks like it was some good stuff.


I don't think anything is good enough to warrant taking writer off your ignore list.

[whottt]

Someone slap the shit out of me the next time I think about taking writer off of ignore...talk about a lame waste of time...how did I forget he's less entertaining than a root canal.

[kskonn]

see whott, I posted my response just a minute to late. I feel like I let you down.

[whottt]

Thanks for the warning Kskohnn(and boy were you right)...was a stupid thing to do on my part. I forgot that I put him on there because he sucked...

[kskonn]

Also jimcs50 might take offense to the Root Canal comment.

[whottt]

Also jimcs50 might take offense to the Root Canal comment.
lmao :lol

[T Park]

lol@ Kskonn on the Jimcs Smack.

Whottt, when are you gonna put me on ignore, and put yourself out of your misery.

[kskonn]

lol@ Kskonn on the Jimcs Smack.

Whottt, when are you gonna put me on ignore, and put yourself out of your misery.


Won't happen. He would never(not never.. but not as much) have a reason to post if he put you on his ingnore list.

[T Park]

No, as long as Nazr Mohammed keeps stinking the joint up, and Brent Barry continues having good games, and we keep signing shit heads, and pop botches a play a game.

Whottt, will have reasons to post.


And if the new Coyote does something weird like get tossed out of a game.

[kskonn]

maybe the coyote could beat up the female coyote to welcome him? would that get Whott going? nevermind that would be so wrong.......on so many levels.

[T Park]

lol.


Nah, whottt is cool, he just gets a little too passionate about the subject.


Hes the epitomy of beating a dead horse.

[kskonn]

yea I always enjoy his posts.

[kskonn]

lol.


Nah, whottt is cool, he just gets a little too passionate about the subject.


Hes the epitomy of beating a dead horse.


Speaking of Beating a dead horse..... nevermind I will stary away from that one.

[whottt]

It's not a matter of misery, being pissed off...it's a matter of Writer just flat out sucks...a waste of time.

[kskonn]

Yea I agree. Misery is not bad as long as it is well presented.

[MannyIsGod]

Man, that was like watching a fight in a 1st grade special ed class.

[mookie2001]

TPark, just give it a break. You make females on their periods seem not so pissy.

[mookie2001]

TPark, just give it a break. You make females on their periods seem not so pissy.
oh shit
thats not only ownership, you got timeshared out tpark

[Walton Buys Off Me]

guess what?

This clown Laker God isn't only a parasite- he's also totally unoriginal. Check out the Spurs ESPN message board, you'll find the origin of several of his 'posts' there.

How big of a loser do you have to be to steal stuff from one message board and post it as your own on another...? I wonder if you live in your momma's basement...ya think?

[Gummi]

Well how about some talk about the Big Dog? I'm going to go on a limp here and talk about it.

I'm 100% sure that the Spurs asked around and gathered as much information about Glenn before they signed him. They wouldn't have signed him and waived Dion if they knew Glenn was really out of shape and couldn't play this season. We all know that he's not a good defender and is at times slow, esp. on defense. But his mid-range jumper is gold and always has been. If he can come of the bench and give us some scoring punch and offensive energy, I would be happy. As reported, he's in a mediocre shape right now, but he has about three weeks to get into a playoff shape so he'll really be an asset for us. I've seen too many games with Glenn torching us esp. when he played for Milwaukee.

This is no insurance for Duncan, but it looks like for Devin. The Spurs staff must really doubt that Devin can regain 100% strength so they went and found a pure scorer and a tall SF, even though we need a athletic SF, I'm OK with this. Glenn is a player that the opposing SF has to guard. I just hope he doesn't take too many of those damn three's that he's used to cause he's a below mediocre 3P shooter.

Or maybe they just want to add to our bench. You can never have too many good bench players. I also like this signing (if Glenn can get into a good shpe and regain his jumper) because we just added to our bench but the Suns are still very shorthanded with theirs. We could have a lineup of only bench players and still be pretty competitive.

[Solid D]

I guess the Spurs are willing to live with this guy watching players go by him... as long as he "allows" them to do it going baseline and away from the lane area.

[Frenchise player]

A 12 page thread and 3 other page in this one for a 12th man who is replacing Dion Glover?
Glen Robinson surely was one of the best players in the NBA some years ago but now he is here as a role player.
He is here because one of the only weakness of this team is mid-range jumper.
We have tons of three point shooters (Bruce, Brent and Horry are specialists while Manu and Devin can be pretty good), the best backourt in the NBA for penetration, and one of the best offensive PF in the game.
If GR brings his jumper, our attack will be as much balanced as any in the league.

[Gummi]

Barry wasn't known for defense when he signed here and the Spurs haven't suffered yet at least. Individual defense can sometimes be overrated esp. when you have other players that pride themselves on D like Bowen and Duncan and others, it doesn't matter that much to have a player that isn't a good defender.

The Spurs know how to defend, what they lack at times is some scoring punch. I've seen too many games where the Spurs were lucky to win because they went stone cold on the offensive end. I'm not saying that Glenn will save us there but he's better then anybody I can find to do so comming off the bench.

Dont' forget that this guy was an All-Star several years ago. He hasn't lost his touch. The important thing is that he needs to get into game shape and quickly.

[AlamoSpursFan]

Man, that was like watching a fight in a 1st grade special ed class.

:lol

I was thinking the same thing, Manny...

http://www.warhammer40k.com/members/wh40k/mekboybdakka/arguing.jpg

[Jimcs50]

If Spurs still had Rose, this pickup would never have occured.

Rose>>>>>>Robinson.

[Kori Ellis]

If Spurs still had Rose, this pickup would never have occured.

Rose>>>>>>Robinson.

What does one have to do with the other? They picked up Robinson as a SF who can shoot but can't play D. What does that have to do with Malik's game?

[Jimcs50]

What does one have to do with the other? They picked up Robinson as a SF who can shoot but can't play D. What does that have to do with Malik's game?


Malik could shoot, he had the 15-17 ft shot...whick is what Big Dawg has now. Malike was twice the rebounder, twice the defender and a better FT shooter..that is what I am saying.

Everyone in here should admit that I was right in it being one of the worst moves in Spurs history to make that trade, and if they are still saying that Nazr and 2 draft picks was a good move, then they are insane.


BTW, Rose could play the 3, he did when he had too and could play pretty good defense against a lot of 3s in his day.

[Useruser666]

I think this was a good move. It costs the Spurs nothing and they might pick up some offense and get a player that can give them another look on the offensive end. He might do very well with Parker or Manu in pick and roles with his ability to hit the J. He also may be able to be used weak side from the P&Rs like the play the Lakers have for Brian Grant with his baseline J.

I think Glover was a nice pickup, but he didn't bring any offense to the Spurs. With Brown questionable and Duncan out, the Spurs will be struggling to find some O. This move allows them the option to change things up a little.

[whottt]

Malik is not a better FT shooter....Robinson also can shoot threes...

I am not really disagreeing with you on the Malik thing...but Robinson is a much better scorer than Malik...and Rasho...and Nazr...and Marks...and Horry.

I also think people are overlooking something...Robinson can play PF if he has to do so.

Robinson can hit that J that Marks misses so often...and that Nazr doesn't have...better than anyone on the team...if he's only as good as he was last season.

I'd still rather have Malik...but Robinson(on paper) can score better than any bigman or SF we have had in a long time...

This guy used to light us up...no matter who we had guarding him. I think he has gone off on us at least once per season for the last 10 years.

I think he has beaten us at least once per season for the last 10 years...including when he went to the Hawks...

Last year he came into SA with Iverson injured and beat us.

[Useruser666]

Malik could shoot, he had the 15-17 ft shot...whick is what Big Dawg has now. Malike was twice the rebounder, twice the defender and a better FT shooter..that is what I am saying.

Everyone in here should admit that I was right in it being one of the worst moves in Spurs history to make that trade, and if they are still saying that Nazr and 2 draft picks was a good move, then they are insane.


BTW, Rose could play the 3, he did when he had too and could play pretty good defense against a lot of 3s in his day.

Was I the only one that grimaced when Rose took a jumper? Rose guarding a 3 is NOT a good matchup for him. Rose was quick for a 4, but it's basically a mismatch for the other team to exploit.

I will agree that Rose could guard a 3 better than an out of shape Robinson. But I don't know how important that is right now. I'm not sure how many times Rose had the sole defensive responibilities of guarding a 3 in a game.

[Jimcs50]

Whottt, you guys are thinking about Big Dawg 2-3 yrs ago.

This guy has not played in forever, he is an alcoholic and we all know what that does to your muscles and muscle memory. This move is as I said neither going to help or hinder the Spurs. Robinson will not even average 4 pts a game.

I seriously doubt if he can still hit a 3 pointer with any decent regularity(38-40%)

My point is, SA does not make this move, had they not traded Rose.

[whottt]

I am thinking about him last year...on a Philly team with no one healthy...I distinctly remember him having a big game against us last season in SA with Philly...I distinctly remember him smoking us in the 3rd and 4th quarters.

This guy shoots well against good teams and against good defenders...even last season...he is an A list scorer...if not an A list human being.

If he sucks we cut him...he took the min to get a ring...the Spurs rep will be forever tarnished but Pop was determined to do that sooner or later...it's either live with it or stop being a SpurFan...I can live with this team being like any other team...all my other teams are...but I will miss the standards the team tried to live up to in the Drob era...it was a one of kind type deal though.

[Jimcs50]

Was I the only one that grimaced when Rose took a jumper? Rose guarding a 3 is NOT a good matchup for him. Rose was quick for a 4, but it's basically a mismatch for the other team to exploit.

I will agree that Rose could guard a 3 better than an out of shape Robinson. But I don't know how important that is right now. I'm not sure how many times Rose had the sole defensive responibilities of guarding a 3 in a game.


Both Malik and Robinson are career 45% shooters.

Glen's 3 pt % is around 33% the last few yrs, and it is surely to be worse now, so what is your point about Rose not hitting the 3???

[Jimcs50]

I am thinking about him last year...on a Philly team with no one healthy...I distinctly remember him having a big game against us last season in SA with Philly...I distinctly remember him smoking us in the 3rd and 4th quarters.

This guy shoots well against good teams and against good defenders...even last season...he is an A list scorer...if not an A list human being.

If he sucks we cut him...he took the min to get a ring...the Spurs rep will be forever tarnished but Pop was determined to do that sooner or later...it's either live with it or stop being a SpurFan...I can live with this team being like any other team...all my other teams are...but I will miss the standards the team tried to live up to in the Drob era...it was a one of kind type deal though.

That was last year, he is older, his body has been torn up by alcohol, he was on a weak team where they needed his offense. 34% shooting from downtown will not help SA, that is just 1 in 100 better than Tim Duncan for God's sake.

:rolleyes

[Jimcs50]

The team average for SA from the arc is 36% and you are excited about a 34% shooter from 1 yr ago???


He will be lucky to get to 34%, I would say it will be more like 28% this yr.

[whottt]

That was last year, he is older, his body has been torn up by alcohol, he was on a weak team where they needed his offense. 34% shooting from downtown will not help SA, that is just 1 in 100 better than Tim Duncan for God's sake.

:rolleyes

Um...what was Glover shooting?

What are Marks and Mohammed shooting?

Boy you guys are spoiled...34% is not that bad(unless you are Brent Barry and then you will get death threats)...

He may be older and his body may be torn up but it's not like we are going to play him 45 mins a game.

I bet he's still got that shot...and he shoots well against good teams and defenders.

[Jimcs50]

Um...what was Glover shooting?

What are Marks and Mohammed shooting?

Boy you guys are spoiled...34% is not that bad(unless you are Brent Barry and then you will get death threats)...

He may be older and his body may be torn up but it's not like we are going to play him 45 mins a game.

I know, Whottt, as I said for the 4th time, this move will not hinder, nor help us...so why all the fuss????

[Kori Ellis]

Who cares what his 3-point percentage is. Imagine spot minutes knocking down a few mid-range J's. That's it. This isn't a big deal. He can help out a little. And he can't really hurt unless he's a locker room problem. I doubt he will be, seeing as the guy is looking to continue his NBA career. If he's trouble, he's gone.

[Jimcs50]

Who cares what his 3-point percentage is. Imagine spot minutes knocking down a few mid-range J's. That's it. This isn't a big deal. He can help out a little. And he can't really hurt unless he's a locker room problem. I doubt he will be, seeing as the guy is looking to continue his NBA career. If he's trouble, he's gone.

Kori, it is going to hurt a little on defense, unless we have TD in the middle to clean up his mess.

But as you say, he is going to play in garbage time probably so it matters not.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

First you go and say this...


Whottt, you guys are thinking about Big Dawg 2-3 yrs ago.

This guy has not played in forever, he is an alcoholic and we all know what that does to your muscles and muscle memory
and then you say this...


That was last year, he is older, his body has been torn up by alcohol, he was on a weak team where they needed his offense. 34% shooting from downtown will not help SA, that is just 1 in 100 better than Tim Duncan for God's sake
I mean make up your mind, is it 2-3 years or just last year?? There's a big difference. Sounds to me you just don't like the guy and you're looking for any excuse to dismiss the trade as a tragedy. Whottt just mentioned he was playing quality ball last year, no reason to believe he can't do it now (with a little conditioning that is)

[whottt]

Ok forget the thing with the wife beating and gun....

You guys are seriously under-rating this guys scoring ability...this guy has torn us up in his career, even last season, did no one pay attention?

He's a much better scorer than any big on our roster and he can be used at PF.

As for his on the court cancer rep...

Let's see...he hates Ray Allen...so do we.

He got sick of George Karl...name a player of Karls that hasn't....

He didn't mesh with AI...what bigman has?

Look past the fact that he is a scumbag(which I can now do thanks to Pop)...and this guy is a huge pick up if he gets time on the court...

Huge...mark it down here...let me be the first to say it...if he gets PT he will score and he will score big.

And if he doesn't pan out we can always try to pick up Shawn Kemp or someone like that...Jayson Williams could shore up our rebounding....Pop has set us free of trying to live up to a high character standard so we may as well go after the title hard.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Ok forget the thing with the wife beating and gun....

You guys are seriously under-rating this guys scoring ability...this guy has torn us up in his career, even last season, did no one pay attention?

He's a much better scorer than any big on our roster and he can be used at PF.

As for his on the court cancer rep...

Let's see...he hates Ray Allen...so do we.

He got sick of George Karl...name a player of Karls that hasn't....

He didn't mesh with AI...what bigman has?

Look past the fact that he is a scumbag(which I can now do thanks to Pop)...and this guy is a huge pick up if he gets time on the court...

Huge...mark it down here...let me be the first to say it...if he gets PT he will score and he will score big.

And if he doesn't pan out we can always try to pick up Shawn Kemp or someone like that...Jayson Williams could shore up our rebounding....
:lol :lol :lol Yeah, and finish destroying whatever respectable reputation we have left lol

[Jimcs50]

First you go and say this...


and then you say this...


I mean make up your mind, is it 2-3 years or just last year?? There's a big difference. Sounds to me you just don't like the guy and you're looking for any excuse to dismiss the trade as a tragedy. Whottt just mentioned he was playing quality ball last year, no reason to believe he can't do it now (with a little conditioning that is)

Last year, he was passable, 2-3 yrs agao, he was really good. I neither like him or dislike him.

You people worry too much about liking or disliking...I do not really dislike anyone. If you are a Spur, I love you, if you are not, I root against you during Spurs games and then I could care less what you do.

You missing my point...what did I say??????

I said this move neither helps nor hinders the Spurs...totally unlike the Rose trade which hurt the Spurs.

[spurster]

This has nothing to do with Rose, and everything to do with Devin Brown and LJ III.

[ChumpDumper]

My point is, SA does not make this move, had they not traded Rose.Bullshit.

They tried getting a shooter this time last year too. Had GRob been available then, he would've been a Spur.

[Spurminator]

Was there this much bitching from JimCS when we signed Glover?

Jimminy Crickets.

[Jimcs50]

Was there this much bitching from JimCS when we signed Glover?

Jimminy Crickets.

Glover deserved a chance.

Glen has had his chance, a 2nd and a 3rd chance.

And I am not bitching. As I have said a half dozen times, this trade does not matter one iota, it neither helps or hinders the Spurs.

[Useruser666]

Both Malik and Robinson are career 45% shooters.

Glen's 3 pt % is around 33% the last few yrs, and it is surely to be worse now, so what is your point about Rose not hitting the 3???

I believe you misread what I wrote.

I didn't say Rose couldn't hit the three. I said I cringed when he took a jumper. When I mentioned the number three, it was in reference to the position he would be playing and guarding.

If Rose's shoots at 45% from inside the arc, and Robinson shoots 45% from the floor with only shooting 34% from three, who is making a higher % of shots from inside the arc?

[Jimcs50]

I didn't say he Rose couldn't hit the three. I said I cringed when he took a jumper. When I mentioned the number three, it was in reference to the position he would be playing and guarding.

Rose was better from 15-17 ft than Nazr, Rasho, Massenburgh, and Marks, I'll tell you that much.

[ducks]

I like this move
because the spurs will be able to rest manu now some because they will want to see what big dog can do and manu will be more rested for playoffs

[Jimcs50]

I like this move
because the spurs will be able to rest manu now some because they will want to see what big dog can do and manu will be more rested for playoffs

Having Robinson will not allow Manu to rest. They will not share any minutes.

[ducks]

if big dog can help maintain the lead it will help him rest

[ducks]

oh oh he might wear rose's number.....

[Useruser666]

Rose was better from 15-17 ft than Nazr, Rasho, Massenburgh, and Marks, I'll tell you that much.

So what Jim? That has nothing to with what I posted about Robinson and Rose.

[tekdragon]

Manny wins. And I'll never get that 6 minutes of my life back.

Thank you all so much for your whiny finger-pointing and pointless arguements that are really just the same old stupid feuds that hijack every other thread. Bitches.

Good pickup by the Spurs. Our bench is ridiculously good. Glenn might be nothing, but he has a lot more upside than Glover. It's all about the mid-range jumper (if he's on the court with any starters) and having a scorer who can manufacture points (when he's on the court with the bench). Nothing to lose, but he just might put the ball in the hole during those droughts we see almost every game. If he's looking to extend his career, he came to the right place. If he's going to get his shit together before he retires, he couldn't have better teammates as positive examples and he couldn't have better discipline in leadership. Worst case scenario: he doesn't do anything and gets cut. Best case scenario: he uses this as a opportunity to turn his life around, learn a little something about character, and leave the game with some dignity. Hell, he might even get the chance to make a big shot on the way to a title. Here's hoping.

I have a lot of faith in Pop. He doesn't allow (or make) excuses, and he demands integrity. If Glenn Robinson will ever be a good teammate, it will be here.

Best FO in the league.

[SPARKY]

If he gets his act together he could spend the rest of his career knocking down good looks thanks to TD.

Then again, so could've Steve Smith.

[Jimcs50]

So what Jim? That has nothing to with what I posted about Robinson and Rose.

You said you cringed whenever he shot, I disagree, he was a very good shooter for a 4-5

[ducks]

barry could spend the rest of his career knocking down open threes if he gets his act together to

[tekdragon]

Exactly. It can't last forever. Someone will take advantage of the opportunities playing with Tim creates. The Spurs are due. DA, HITA, Hedo...there's been a steady stream of players who couldn't handle the pressure of the open shot. Someone is going to break through. The jury's still out on Barry...we'll see what happens with Glenn.

[lotr1trekkie]

You really ought to have more confidence in Spurs management. Aside from Tim none of our players were HOT items when they signed with us. From Bowen to Beno other teams passed on our entire team. The Spurs have built a winning tradition by knowing who to keep and who to get rid of.
As far as the Big Dog goes I assume he'll be given a chance to contribute and get into playing shape. They must have eplained his role to him beforehand and he has accepted it. If he doesn't get with the program in two weeks I expect him to be waie and Glover resigned. Robinson has no leverage here. He has everything to lose and and nothing to gain by not following the Spurs style. Give Spurs management some credit. If Tim doesn't get hurt we probably would have the leagues' best record. We root for the best run team in the NBA.

[Useruser666]

You said you cringed whenever he shot, I disagree, he was a very good shooter for a 4-5

He was a good shooter? Do you have any stats that can back that up? Something showing most of his shots weren't putbacks, low post stuff?

[Jimcs50]

He was a good shooter? Do you have any stats that can back that up? Something showing most of his shots weren't putbacks, low post stuff?


No, I am not Spurm.

You will have to take me at my word on this.

:)

[Rick Von Braun]

He was a good shooter? Do you have any stats that can back that up? Something showing most of his shots weren't putbacks, low post stuff? Malik was not a good shooter (http://www.82games.com/04SAS10A.HTM). 61% of his shot attempts were jumpshots, and he had an eFG% of .396, which is not good. He was assisted 85% of the time when hitting jumpshots, and was blocked 6% of the time (relatively high).

Of the 4-5s in our team though, Tim and Horry are better jump shooters (by a big margin). Massenburg (close to Malik), Marks (bad) and Nazr (horrid) are all worse jump shooters. The last 3 though, take far fewer jumpshots than Malik though.

Comparing him to other PFs and Cs in the league, he took an above average percentage of jumpshots, and shot slightly below average in those jumphots.

Cheers

[Blazer16]

[QUOTE=LakerGod]
C. Because someone in the spurs management believes he is a great player due to his #1 selection in the 1993 draft.

Um...1994 draft.

[Useruser666]

No, I am not Spurm.

You will have to take me at my word on this.

:)

I think I'll take RVB's word! :lol

[sungo99]

Some thoughts, taken from my blog:

Oh, I've Got Reservations About So Many Things
...but not about you.

That Wilco lyric goes out to Glenn "Big Dog" Robinson, the newest member of the Spurs. The Spurs waived Dion Glover to make room on the roster.

When I initially read the news my first reaction was surprise followed shortly thereafter by bewilderment. Look at Glenn's career numbers:

32 years old
6'-7" 225
20.82 PPG
8.15 FGM
17.74 FGA
1.17 PPS
45.9 FG%
34.0 3p%
81.9 FT%
6.1 RPG
2.8 APG
3.15 TOPG

How often does a career 21 PPG player get picked up off of waivers with 10 games to go in the season? He started the season injured with Philadelphia and was traded to New Orleans at the deadline. They promptly waived him. I figured no one picked him up due to injury-- or maybe he went on the Oliver Miller cheeseburger diet and gained 30 pounds. But for some unknown reason he was still available.

Some Spurs fans may be worried that a player of his stature will mess up team chemistry and not mesh well into the system. That he'll screw up the defense and complain when if he doesn't get his shots. Those are the possible negative outcomes of this acquisition. None of my three friends would ever call me an optimist, but I think this was a good signing by Buford and company.

The way I see it, if Glenn doesn't play adequate defense he'll sit the bench a la Steve Smith. If he causes problems he'll get cut. I trust that Popovich won't let this be a distraction. Hell, if he could tell Karl Malone, to his face, that he wouldn't guarantee him playing time then Pop can certainly tell Glenn to ride the pine and shut his pie hole. And I'm sure the Spurs made it clear to Glenn what they expect of him.

This also seems like a great situation for Glenn. He can provide some offensive spark off the bench and prove he's still got some game left. He can also play the good soldier and try to shake his reputation of not being a team player. Oh, and he gets a good shot at a ring, too.

The main reason I like this pick up is that the Spurs definitely need some help on offense. Without Duncan they are reduced to having Parker and Ginobili penetrate and kick. It's obvious that The Sickness is quickly running out of gas. He's 15-48 in his last four games and he seems to have lost some of his explosive abilities-- he's not finishing as well at the basket and not blowing by people as regularly. Glenn can definitely save him some energy on the offensive end. Robinson is no longer the offensive player he used to be, but he's an option. You can play him on the post. He can face up from 15-20 feet and he's a decent three-point shooter. He can create his own shot. The Sickness can do a lot of these things too, and so can Parker, but it does us no good to run these guys ragged before the playoffs. Let Glenn play 17-22 minutes and put up 12-15 shots. Barry can slide over to the two and Manu can get some extra time on the bench.

I think the worst that can happen is that Glenn struggles and the Spurs lose home court against Miami. To be honest, I think this is a foregone conclusion anyway. Miami is currently ahead by a half game and have a decent schedule the rest of the way (split home and away). Their toughest game is probably Detroit at home. The Spurs, on the other hand, have 6 of their remaining 9 games on the road, including at Dallas, Memphis and Minnesota. And Duncan and Brown are out for at least four more games.

And, heck, maybe Glenn still has something. Maybe he shoots 50% from off the bench and averages 12-15 PPG. Maybe he helps the Spurs pull out some games while Duncan is hurt. The most important thing is that the Spurs start the playoffs healthy and rested, and The Big Dog can help the Spurs do that. Anything else is gravy.