Spurs leading race to sign McDyess...

[The_Game]

The San Antonio Spurs have emerged as the leader in the courtship of free-agent forward Antonio McDyess, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

San Antonio is one of three teams offering the full mid-level exception over two years, sources said. No deal is imminent, but it’s believed McDyess has offers from the Orlando Magic and possibly the Cleveland Cavaliers.

McDyess is considered one of the best unrestricted free agents on the market, and could complete a terrific offseason makeover for the Spurs as they retool for another championship run.

“He’s definitely been wrestling with this [decision],” one league executive said.

Detroit president Joe Dumars still wants to re-sign McDyess, but needs to clear more space to make a competitive offer.

McDyess, 34, averaged 9.6 points and 9.8 rebounds for the Pistons last season

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AlX_UolufFzeKDciKpSzBSW8vLYF?slug=aw-freeagentbuzz070609&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[DPG21920]

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[Dr. Gonzo]

Well according to my source they already signed him but are waiting until after the Michael Jackson memorial to finish.

[The_Game]

spurs are offering dice a 2 year deal worth the MLE

dice also has offers from orlando and the cavs

[JamStone]

hoopshype.com?

[ninjaskrzypek]

Man I cant even tell whats a joke on here anymore :(

[SonOfAGun]

http://www.tvshowsondvd.net/graphics/news3/Highlander_TheSource.jpg

[BacktoBasics]

Man I cant even tell whats a joke on here anymore :(Check to see if he's a Laker fan first.

[Muser]

Cool.

[ninjaskrzypek]

Going to cut the grass, hope there is more when i return

[DPG21920]

We more than likely would not know anything until tomorrow anyways.

[2Cleva]

The San Antonio Spurs have emerged as the leader in the courtship of free-agent forward Antonio McDyess, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

San Antonio is one of three teams offering the full mid-level exception over two years, sources said. No deal is imminent, but it’s believed McDyess has offers from the Orlando Magic and possibly the Cleveland Cavaliers.

McDyess is considered one of the best unrestricted free agents on the market, and could complete a terrific offseason makeover for the Spurs as they retool for another championship run.

“He’s definitely been wrestling with this [decision],” one league executive said.

Detroit president Joe Dumars still wants to re-sign McDyess, but needs to clear more space to make a competitive offer.

McDyess, 34, averaged 9.6 points and 9.8 rebounds for the Pistons last season

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AlX_UolufFzeKDciKpSzBSW8vLYF?slug=aw-freeagentbuzz070609&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Pistons < Spurs]

:flag:Go SPURS Go:flag:

[Pucho!!!]

Ill believe it when I c it...hopefully tomorrow

[Texas_Ranger]

C'mon Antonio, please come to the Spurs!!

[ChumpDumper]

Your confidential source is Yahoo?

:lmao

[slick'81]

well if they might have wanted mcdyess as much if not more than rasheed ill take him

[crc21209]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AlX_UolufFzeKDciKpSzBSW8vLYF?slug=aw-freeagentbuzz070609&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

:elephant :elephant Being that this is from YahooSports and Adrian Wojnarowski I can't help but believe this article. He is a good source. Hopefully this thing gets done today! :tu

[vander]

MLE seems expensive for him

[Kori Ellis]

MLE seems expensive for him

It's pretty much the going rate for a 10/10 player.

[QuietDynasty]

i hope it wasn't the same source that said the spurs were the front runners for sheed as well...we all know how that turned out.

[benefactor]

I'm not celebrating until the ink is dry on the paper.

[angelbelow]

MLE seems expensive for him

not if he produces 10-10 again.

[ChumpDumper]

MLE seems expensive for himFor a 10 and 10 guy it's a good deal.

[ninjaskrzypek]

Its not expensive when he is the missing peice to put together an AWESOME starting 5. Remeber who we got when we went cheap. Look at the WHOLE not the part.

[Vic Petro]

MLE seems expensive for him

Market value. If Marcin Gortat is worth more than the MLE, McDyess is certainly worth at least the full MLE on a shorter term contract. This would be the best possible move by the Spurs.

[timvp]

This offseason will have been a major success if they can get McDyess to sign.

Roll with us, Dice :smokin

[crc21209]

The MLE for 2 years on Dyess isnt expensive...I think it's a good deal.

[EricB]

Sounds good. Hope that a deal gets done. Have a bad feeling that Cleveland would get him.

[thekingrobert]

why not marvin williams

[Muser]

:hungry::hungry::hungry::hungry::hungry:

[vander]

It's pretty much the going rate for a 10/10 player.

if he manages to be a 10/10 guy for us that would vastly exceed my expectations. I'd expect more like 7/7 in 20 mpg

[timvp]

:elephant :elephant Being that this is from YahooSports and Adrian Wojnarowski I can't help but believe this article. He is a good source. Hopefully this thing gets done today! :tu

Just to slow your roll a little bit, Wojo is the same guy who said the Spurs were close to landing Maggette last season. He's a pretty damn good source of info (he broke the RJ trade and the KT trade) but it's not quite worth the elephant dance just yet.

[slick'81]

i have my doubts about mcdyess mainly his durability. he had alot of time off last season and had a strong finish with the pistons i want to c if he can carry over that near 10/10 for a full 82 games in sa

[EricB]

Damn if the spurs got dyess? I don't even want to think about it. It's too good to be true....

[timvp]

if he manages to be a 10/10 guy for us that would vastly exceed my expectations for him. I'd expect more like 7/7 in 20 mpg7 and 7 in 20 minutes would be worth even more than the MLE.

[Death In June]

What are the chances the Spurs pursue a trade for another big man if they do in fact get Dice? I'm all for picking him up, but I don't think he fills the starting c void.

[Muser]

Dice/Duncan combo sounds good to me.

[EricB]

i have my doubts about mcdyess mainly his durability. he had alot of time off last season and had a strong finish with the pistons i want to c if he can carry over that near 10/10 for a full 82 games in sa


If Blair is the real deal you can give him the occasional night off.

[timvp]

i have my doubts about mcdyess mainly his durability. he had alot of time off last season and had a strong finish with the pistons i want to c if he can carry over that near 10/10 for a full 82 games in sa
If McDyess can average something like 8 points and 6.5 rebounds per game while playing around 25 minutes, that'd be great and well worth the MLE over two years.

[SenorSpur]

MLE seems expensive for him

We've not had a 10-10 guy next to Duncan since D-Rob left the building. If Gortat and Sheed can both get the MLE, certainly McDyess is worth that - and probably a bit more.

Make it happen!

[G-Nob]

Roll with us, Dice :smokin

:shootme

[EricB]

I think they will try and steal Ariza from the Rockets. That will take just enough time for McDyess to sign with us.

I hope.


I doubt that happens but hope your right.

[timvp]

What are the chances the Spurs pursue a trade for another big man if they do in fact get Dice? I'm all for picking him up, but I don't think he fills the starting c void.Duncan has been a full time center for about the last three years.

[Muser]

What are the chances the Spurs pursue a trade for another big man if they do in fact get Dice? I'm all for picking him up, but I don't think he fills the starting c void.


I don't think we would need another decent big, a cheap vet in case of injury would be enough, if we get Dice the potential trades should be for a decent backup 3 for RJ.

[DPG21920]

To go from Baby to Dice is so goooooooooooooooooooood.

[nkdlunch]

this would be just as good or better than getting Sheed. Dice has more heart at this point and is more efficient with less minutes.

[angelbelow]

According to my source

mine too!! is your source yahoo by any chance?

[024]

this is encouraging news. and if popovich put matt bonner at "center," mcdyess will definitely fit.

[Bartleby]

I'm sure Pop would be able to manage his minutes and keep him fresh for the playoffs, especially if he wants to work Blair, Haislip, Mahinmi (and Gist?) into the regular season rotation.

[Muser]

Damn

Parker
Ginobili
Jefferson
Dice
Duncan

That team would beast.

[timvp]

this would be just as good or better than getting Sheed. Dice has more heart at this point and is more efficient with less minutes.

Agree. Wallace and McDyess are the same level. In fact, most Pisons fans seem to think McDyess is the better player.

The only reason I wanted Wallace slightly more is that his three-point shooting would allow Pop to keep him on the court no matter the situation. McDyess doesn't make the Spurs impervious to small ball and there's more risk of injury ... but minute for minute McDyess would probably give the Spurs more than Wallace.

[lurker23]

timvp, do you mind if I steal this for this occasion?

http://www.guzer.com/pictures/boy_dog_pray.jpg

[crc21209]

In his defense, the offer from the warriors came from left field. The Spurs were going to get Maggette until the Warriors lost Davis and then couldn't sign Brand.

Thanks :lol. I think EVERYONE thought the Spurs were going to get Maggette and they really were leading the race last year unless someone came outta nowhere and offered him a crazy-stupid deal (which ended up being Golden State).

[completely deck]

And we've got Blair :hungry:

[rayray2k8]

Just to slow your roll a little bit, Wojo is the same guy who said the Spurs were close to landing Maggette last season. He's a pretty damn good source of info (he broke the RJ trade and the KT trade) but it's not quite worth the elephant dance just yet.

Yep, it's true. Spurs fans were expecting Maggette to become a spur last year and it never happened.
So I am approaching this with extreme caution. :lol


.......
I don't think he's coming.. :depressed

[DPG21920]

A back up SF and Center would be excellent, but Dice would be great. The other two are wayyyyyyyyyyyyy in the back seat compared to Dice.

[slick'81]

It is rare for somebody to play a full 82 game season. If he plays between 60 and 75 abd is healthy for the playoffs I'll be fine.

Even though this team has gotten younger and even better we are still not a team built for the regular season, it is all about the playoffs.


no i agree he has actually been pretty durable games played wise over the last 3-4 seasons.He tends to play great in stretches i think 7/7 or 8/8 is expected

[vander]

If McDyess can average something like 8 points and 6.5 rebounds per game while playing around 25 minutes, that'd be great and well worth the MLE over two years.

Bonner gave us almost that and people here don't think he's worth a stick of gum :lol :bang

[crc21209]

Agree. Wallace and McDyess are the same level. In fact, most Pisons fans seem to think McDyess is the better player.

The only reason I wanted Wallace slightly more is that his three-point shooting would allow Pop to keep him on the court no matter the situation. McDyess doesn't make the Spurs impervious to small ball and there's more risk of injury ... but minute for minute McDyess would probably give the Spurs more than Wallace.

The thing I like about Dyess is that he seems to give it his all every night, every possession, and every minute. McDyess also seems to have a money 20-foot jump shot. :tu. Please let this get done.

[timvp]

When and if this deal is finished we still need to address the issue of back up small forward.

I would like either Moon or Carney. I hear Carney wants a bit more than the 800k we can offer for the min. That is the main reason I want Dice to leave just a little on the table for one of those two.

Moon isn't attainable if you don't have the MLE or the LLE.

[crc21209]

When and if this deal is finished we still need to address the issue of back up small forward.

I would like either Moon or Carney. I hear Carney wants a bit more than the 800k we can offer for the min. That is the main reason I want Dice to leave just a little on the table for one of those two.

No confidence in Fin-dog to play some backup SF minutes for about 15mpg? :lol

[Muser]

The thing I like about Dyess is that he seems to give it his all every night, every possession, and every minute. McDyess also seems to have a money 20-foot jump shot. :tu. Please let this get done.


Agreed, Dice has a very consistent 20-foot jumper which will come in handy.

[Leftyventricle]

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/07/antonio-mcdyess-headed-to-san-antonio.html

http://www.motownstringmusic.com/2009/7/7/941065/antonio-mcdyess-to-the-spurs

[SenorSpur]

The thing I like about Dyess is that he seems to give it his all every night, every possession, and every minute. McDyess also seems to have a money 20-foot jump shot. :tu. Please let this get done.

Dice is a pro's pro. Works hard. Tough-minded. Consistent offense. Dependable defense. Team guy and absolutely never takes plays off. If any new player deserves to come aboard, as a contributor, for a a shot at a championship - it's him.

[G-Nob]

Spurs need to get on the horn and tell Dyess' agent they need an answer by tonight. If the numbers come out tomorrow that could sweeten a deal Det could offer him, thats bad news.

RC must stress we need an answer so we can move to fill out the roster. (i.e. what the C's did w/ sheed)

[Spurologist]

Always been a big fan of dice. His shooting and inside presence would complement TD's game very well.

Hoping this goes down

[DAF86]

Good news, but I'm not even half as a excited as I was with the idea of signing Sheed.

[Dex]

:pctoss

Reports like this never seem to work out in the long run.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Agree. Wallace and McDyess are the same level. In fact, most Pisons fans seem to think McDyess is the better player.

The only reason I wanted Wallace slightly more is that his three-point shooting would allow Pop to keep him on the court no matter the situation. McDyess doesn't make the Spurs impervious to small ball and there's more risk of injury ... but minute for minute McDyess would probably give the Spurs more than Wallace.

Sheed has actually missed more games than Dice to injury by a large amount over the past 4 years.

[GSH]

There is no such thing as "leading" in these FA decisions. When he signs a contract, you'll know which way he's leaning. We were leading in the Bourosis sweepstakes. Portland was leading in the Hedo sweepstakes. The Knicks were the leaders for Jason Kidd.

The problem is, the other two teams that were mentioned have a pretty good chance of getting him a championship, too. I hope we get him. But I also hope we don't tie our hands for the next several years, in the process.

[FvckMavs]

When and if this deal is finished we still need to address the issue of back up small forward.

I would like either Moon or Carney. I hear Carney wants a bit more than the 800k we can offer for the min. That is the main reason I want Dice to leave just a little on the table for one of those two.

We should be fine if Bowen comes back.

[Bruno]

Backup SF isn't at all a problem. RJ plays tons of minutes, Fin can play some minutes or Spurs can play with a 3 guard lineup.

Even if Spurs get Dice, the main "issue" will be at PF/C.

[kbrury]

PG Parker - Hill - McClinton
SG Mason - Ginobili - Hairston
SF Jefferson - Bowen - Gist
PF McDyess - Haislip - Blair
C Duncan - Mahinmi - (Trade maybe for Bonner and Finley :king)

I hope the roster looks something like this, but I know its way to early to project a lineup Im very bored. Hopefully we could get Collison with a trade. I hope Bowen comes back but reports say otherwise.

[crc21209]

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/07/antonio-mcdyess-headed-to-san-antonio.html

http://www.motownstringmusic.com/2009/7/7/941065/antonio-mcdyess-to-the-spurs

This is spreading like wild fire! :lol

[Bruno]

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/art_garcia/07/07/avery.johnson.folo/


Detroit has already lost Rasheed Wallace in free agency to rival Boston, and won't be bringing back fellow veterans Allen Iverson and Antonio McDyess.

[vander]

We should be fine if Bowen comes back.

I'd prefer hairston and maybe Gist in the regular season, then a 3 man rotation at the 2/3 in the playoffs, RJ's good for 40, Mason and Manu can have 28.

[crc21209]

The same way I wanted Kevin Willis to win one in 03', and Fin in 07', I want to get Dyess his ring this year. Come on Dyess....come get in the silver & black!

[howardcopy]

Backup SF isn't at all a problem. RJ plays tons of minutes, Fin can play some minutes or Spurs can play with a 3 guard lineup.

Even if Spurs get Dice, the main "issue" will be at PF/C.


With Shaq now in the East, is there really a lot of need to have a bang it up center?

I think if we added some more length and quickness at the position that it might help more.

If we end up getting McDyess, that would help solve some depth issues, but I agree there still would be a need in the middle.

[angelbelow]

DICE!!!!!!! ive always been a fan of his. pretty exciting news if true!!

[lurker23]

Moon isn't going to get over a million though is he? The only one of the two I have heard contract wise is Carney and he said he wants above the minimum. Moon however is likely to leave the Heat due to salary cap issues.

If we used the LLE on Haislip and the MLE on McDyess or some other big man, then the most we can offer Moon is a minimum contract, which is less than his qualifying offer from the Heat. If we still have the LLE available, we would be able to offer Moon more than his $1 million QO, but the Heat would be able to match if they want to. Like you said, they have cap issues so they might not match, but the fact that they extended him the QO means that they at least have SOME interest in bringing him back.

[rayray2k8]

PG Parker - Hill - McClinton
SG Mason - Ginobili - Hairston
SF Jefferson - Bowen - Gist
PF McDyess - Haislip - Blair
C Duncan - Mahinmi - (Trade maybe for Bonner and Finley :king)

I hope the roster looks something like this, but I know its way to early to project a lineup Im very bored. Hopefully we could get Collison with a trade. I hope Bowen comes back but reports say otherwise.

You know..
I really f*cking hate when people set up "projected" rosters..
It's like an automatic jinx.
I'll blame you if we don't get Dice. :lol

[kbrury]

You know..
I really f*cking hate when people set up "projected" rosters..
It's like an automatic jinx.
I'll blame you if we don't get Dice. :lol
:toast at least Im not thinking this is final its just my wish.

[Libri]

This is very good news! I wanted McDyess to join the team last season but it didn't happen.

This means that Gooden is not part of the Spurs' plans.

[FromWayDowntown]

Shoupd this come to fruition, I'd argue that theSpurs best play is to hang on to assets like Bonner's expiring deal, take a portion of the season to assess what games identify as the greatest weaknesses and have some ability to move to correct them in season. That, however, ignores the realities of the tax situation and the likelihood that the Spurs would prefer to reduce their liability now instead of risking exposure later.

With that said, I prefer McDyess to Wallace on a production basis and think the Spurs' best play all along in FA was to try to land McDyess. No character issues, a productive rebounder, a guy who is a willing teammate, and someone who's been near the top but is hungry to summit the mountain.

[angelbelow]

a few have mentioned moon, i think moon is a big no here. hes one of those guys that are overly concerned with stats. despite his defensive numbers hes not a great defender. many toronto fans have complained about how he does take cares and gambles too much. we should stay away from him.

[lurker23]

But say McDyess only takes 4.5 million of the MLE. We still have 1.1 million to spend correct? Or would we have to wait to use that?

We could use it immediately, but if McDyess is our current #1 target, and Orlando has an offer of 2 years at the full MLE on the table, why would we low-ball him?

[FvckMavs]

I have been told that Bowen is looking less likely to return this season. The Bucks would like to have some vet leadership and possibly a trading chip come the trade deadline.

For the Bucks, maybe saving 2 million > getting vet leadership from Bowen. I have a feeling that the Bucks will waive him, but Pop may not want him back.

[Spurtacus]

Dice to SA.

I'll believe it when it happens.

For now, I'm going to box up my excitement of signing a key big in FA.

[Bruno]

Filling in with a decent small forward back up who is athletic and can rebound/defend/shoot a bit would be better than settling for a 3 guard line up.


If you want to give a decent playing time to Hill and Mason, you had to play a little with a 3 guard lineup. I rather give more playing to Mason and Hill than to a very average SF.

And if Spurs got Dice, Spurs bench at PF/C are players (Mahinmi, Blair and Haislip) who have played 23 minutes in the NBA since 2005 and a player (Bonner) who has been horrible during the last playoffs. It's by far a biggest problem than the backup SF.

[MaNu4Tres]

The only reason he got 10 and 10 is because he got 30 minutes a game last year. Will he get that much PT next year? I highly doubt it. Therefore 8 and 8 sounds more realistic. He's still the best FA big out there in FA. Therefore I'm all for it.

[poeticism707]

Get Dice!:downspin:

If the Spurs pick him up for the MLE, this will be 3rd best off season in Spurs history (outside of drafting Duncan and Robinson).

In retrospect, he's a the MUCH better fit than Sheed. Ironically, if Dice comes to the Spurs, then that will mean both Dice and Sheed both went to teams that fit their personality VERY WELL: Sheed in a winning but fiery team in Boston, Dice to a winning yet calm and profession in the Spus.

I agree that if the Spus land Dice, then that no more trades (unless it was the steal of the century) should take place until during the season, because you'd need time to access the teams strenths and weaknesses.

[loveforthegame]

If the Spurs get Dice I think they may call it an off season. Sure, they'll be open to any offers but they might want to hold on to the expring contracts they have now.

It's possible they roll with a couple players in backup roles that know the system instead of bringing in even more new blood. Speaking of Finley and Bonner instead of Carney or Moon or Gist and so on.

[Rip-Hamilton32]

i always wanted Dice to get a ring so hopefully this is true so it can happen

[Bruno]

There is still questions of if half our front line players are too young or studs. Ian, Gist, Blair and Haislip could be a good role players or could be at the end of the bench. As of now it is too hard to tell.

We should have the start of an answer for Gist, Blair and Mahinmi during SL.

IMO, Spurs FO will look closely at two things during SL:
- Are the young bigs good enough to not make a trade for another big ?
- Is there a defensive minded wing good enough to be signed ?

[bishopospurs]

Finley and Bonner for Adam Morrison...:lol

[poeticism707]

Finley and Bonner for Adam Morrison...:lol
:rollin

[bishopospurs]

Joking aside, Glad to get McD, I don't think the front office will move Bonner till they see the way some of these new players work in the system.

[DPG21920]

Bonner did average 8&5 in 24 minutes per game with 50% FG and 44% from 3. But McDyess should improve the rebounding and defense with the same time.

[Duncan2177]

Finley and Bonner for Adam Morrison...:lol

Finley and Bonner for Shane Battier? :rolleyes

[poeticism707]

Joking aside, Glad to get McD, I don't think the front office will move Bonner till they see the way some of these new players work in the system.

Agreed: if they get Dice, then there should be no more moves until at least mid-season, if any, to evaluate the Spurs team.

[kobyz]

McDyess is a quality player, i have doubts if he the right fit... Orlando is a strog possibility for him.

[SPURSGOAT]

pffft!! doesn't mean a damn thing... we were the front runners for Maggette too... :rolleyes

[bishopospurs]

Shane or James Posey would be good pickups

[picnroll]

Backup SF isn't at all a problem. RJ plays tons of minutes, Fin can play some minutes or Spurs can play with a 3 guard lineup.

Even if Spurs get Dice, the main "issue" will be at PF/C.

Won't know until Spurs see Blair, Haislip and Mahinmi play how their bigman situation is. With what they're paying for Haislip it's likely his playing time to loose.

I agree with FromWayDownTown that Spurs could and should hold on to their tradeable assests until they see where their needs are and teams out of the playoffs are looking to shed players. If Spurs need a big then they can go after a guy like Collsion maybe.

[Mugen]

ill reserve my happiness til he signs his name on the contract.

[Marcus Bryant]

McDyess would be a great fit.

[Libri]

And if Spurs got Dice, Spurs bench at PF/C are players (Mahinmi, Blair and Haislip) who have played 23 minutes in the NBA since 2005 and a player (Bonner) who has been horrible during the last playoffs. It's by far a biggest problem than the backup SF.

There are to many unknowns for the Spurs bench at PF/C. Who can the Spurs bring in to add some experience at those positions?

[bishopospurs]

If he doesn't sign how do people feel about trading for Samuel Dalembert? It would take Mason and he underachieves, so I would pass, but I was just curious. 2 year 23 mil left, he is 28 I believe.

[Roscoe and the Body]

I expect McDyess to sign with with Spurs within the day. Dumars hired John Kuester today, and in his explanation of why he didn't hire Avery Johnson Teflon Joe had this to say -

"Where we are right now as a team is kind of like where we were at the start of the Rick Carlisle era," Dumars said. "And a $4 to $5 million (a year) coach is not what we need right now. We didn't have one of those until we were close to contending for a championship when we got Larry (Brown)."

Basically saying we're not contenders so there is no need to spend for a good coach. Instead we'll hire a placeholder/seatwarmer while Dumars rebuilds the roster and when Joe feels Detroit is ready to compete again he'll fire Kuester (who was signed to a two years deal with a TO 3rd year) and bring in a "real" coach.

Dice was torn between Detroit and San Antonio, however I can't see him possibly heading back to Detroit after this hire.

[Mugen]

If you ask me we learned with Hill that summer league doesn't mean too much. George played better in his first NBA game than he did the entire summer leauge. Also players who have dominated summer league the last few year have not done nearly as well. I think it will take at least a dozen games into the season for the Spurs to make a trade unless an outstanding offer happens. It seems that the contenders are going "all in" and the rest of the NBA is offering their best players for the slary dump.

agreed. george was terrible in summer league. Marco Bellinelli of the warriors was a stud a couple of seasons back and hasnt seen much of the court since.

SL is overrated.

[poeticism707]

I expect McDyess to sign with with Spurs within the day. Dumars hired John Kuester today, and in his explanation of why he didn't hire Avery Johnson Teflon Joe had this to say -


Basically saying we're not contenders so there is no need to spend for a good coach. Instead we'll hire a placeholder/seatwarmer while Dumars rebuilds the roster and when Joe feels Detroit is ready to compete again he'll fire Kuester (who was signed to a two years deal with a TO 3rd year) and bring in a "real" coach.

Dice was torn between Detroit and San Antonio, however I can't see him possibly heading back to Detroit after this hire.

Wow. Come to the Spurs, Dice! Get out of Detroit while you still can!!!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Who do you suggest we get then? Clearly there are few players we can get for what we have. I get the feeling that Pop is more likely to take a chance with the rotation this year than try and trade for somone in the offseason. This will be the first season in maybe the last decade where the Spurs were unsure of at least 85% of their rotation. There is still questions of if half our front line players are too young or studs. Ian, Gist, Blair and Haislip could be a good role players or could be at the end of the bench. As of now it is too hard to tell.

You have Gist and Hairston out there that could play some three for spot minutes.

If neither of those work out, then go use Finley, Bonner, etc. as trade bait for a backup 3.

[FromWayDowntown]

Bonner did average 8&5 in 24 minutes per game with 50% FG and 44% from 3. But McDyess should improve the rebounding and defense with the same time.

my issue with Bonner has nothing to do with his averages as it does with the wild inconsistency that creates those averages. What the potential of McDyess brings might be a 6 rebound per game average, but very few games in which his rebounding total is 0, 1, or 2.

[DPG21920]

I was not comparing FWD. I was responding to someone elses post saying "didn't Bonner average..."

I said yes, but that is not where the value lies.

[poeticism707]

my issue with Bonner has nothing to do with his averages as it does with the wild inconsistency that creates those averages. What the potential of McDyess brings might be a 6 rebound per game average, but very few games in which his rebounding total is 0, 1, or 2.

I actually think Bonner will improve MUCH MORE now that he isn't being asked to be a staring PF.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I actually think Bonner will improve MUCH MORE now that he isn't being asked to be a staring PF.

Production doesn't matter if he's choke city in the playoffs. I'd rather not have Pop get a false sense of confidence in the guy.

[loveforthegame]

There's going to be so much disappointment around here when the Spurs hold on to Finley and Bonner. :lol

[Bruno]

If you ask me we learned with Hill that summer league doesn't mean too much. George played better in his first NBA game than he did the entire summer leauge. Also players who have dominated summer league the last few year have not done nearly as well. I think it will take at least a dozen games into the season for the Spurs to make a trade unless an outstanding offer happens. It seems that the contenders are going "all in" and the rest of the NBA is offering their best players for the slary dump.

I agree that the summer league likely won't give you an answer but you will get some hints about players. The problem with waiting is that the new player you get won't have a training camp with Spurs behind him.
IMO, the player for who SL will be the more important is Mahinmi. If he sucks for the whole SL, he is basically done as a Spur.

[poeticism707]

Production doesn't matter if he's choke city in the playoffs. I'd rather not have Pop get a false sense of confidence in the guy.

I agree, Pop shouldn't go overboard with Bonner, but he can, and he probably will.

But again, against the second unit (not the starters), I think he could be effective in spots.

Worse case, the Spurs have trade bait during the season.

[DPG21920]

Not too mention George Hill was terrible in SL and Gist was the best Spur in SL. You can see flashes, but unless the Spurs are going to definitely go with a youngster for a spot, the odds are making it, even if you play extremely well are low.

So it really does not do much for the players chances imo.

[DPG21920]

:lol watch Bonner start to thrive in his secondary role and hit clutch shots making all of the Spurs FO face palm for spending all this money.

[Spurs Brazil]

Come on Dice. Sign with us.

[Solid D]

McDyess has been the #1 FA on my Spurs' list this off-season. Hope this works out but it's strong competition. Playing with LeBron and Shaq is enticing, as is playing with the new look Magic.

One checkmark in the Spurs' box is SA is close to Dice's Houston home.

[poeticism707]

:lol watch Bonner start to thrive in his secondary role and hit clutch shots making all of the Spurs FO face palm for spending all this money.
:rollin:rollin:rollin

He'll become Bill Russel and Bird combined!!!

They'll trade Duncan for cap space!

[scottspurs]

San Antonio McDyess was born to win a championship with the spurs.

[DBMethos]

Make it so.

[SpursWoman]

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/07/antonio-mcdyess-headed-to-san-antonio.html




McDyess? Great. SA is absolutely panicking over Marion coming to us [Mavericks]. McDyess is a joke; always has been. What are they thinking. Go Mark. Keep making the Spurs panic


lol

[mingus]

pachullia and dice were my first two choices with dice being first , so im happy. i never wanted sheed . he doesn't fit the personality of this team and he tends to sink if the ship is sinking, instead of helping to help it stay afloat, so to speak. you know what you're getting w/ mcdyess. hopefully this is true. good thing about him also is he seems to have good range on his jumper which could keep Gasol or anyone else out of the pain , making it possible for RJ, TP, and Manu to drive.

[Libri]

I actually think Bonner will improve MUCH MORE now that he isn't being asked to be a staring PF.

Bonner lost confidence when Gooden came on board. Now he is going to compete for a position against bigger, stronger and more athletic big men.

[Spurs9]

i dont think the spurs are worried about what the mavs do, they won't be winning anything big.

[Spurs Brazil]

Cavs are talking to a lot of players.

I think it'll be Spurs or Magic

Kleiza, Cavaliers Have Mutual Interest

Jul 07, 2009 4:14 PM EST
The Cleveland Plain Dealer is reporting that the Cavaliers and free agent forward Linas Kleiza have mutual interest in one another.

Kleiza is a restricted free agent with the Nuggets.

Agent Bill Duffy said Monday that the two sides are expected to continue to have dialogue.

Via Cleveland Plain Dealer
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60399/20090707/kleiza_cavaliers_have_mutual_interest/

[RodNIc91]

I hope we dont get Maggette-d like for the third time

[G-Nob]

Hopefully someone like dyess will force pop to sit Bonner in the playoffs.

[ploto]

It sounds as if he just wants Detroit to find more money.

[Bruno]

I can agree with that. Ian needs to play well or we need a new 7 footer. And I have said it myself that Pop is really big on training camp. But still who could we get?

Foster would be perfect. Spurs can also go after a less flashy center with an expiring contract. The first name that pop up in my mind is Tony Battie.

[elbamba]

I would much rather have Zaza.

[ajballer4]

Bucard just said on SC its looking like San Antonio, but he was wrong about Rasheed

[Dunc n Dave]

MLE seems expensive for him

When you consider we were paying Kurt Thomas $8 million a year, then $4 million when he re-signed last summer, and then compare production of the two: it's a GREAT DEAL!

[scottspurs]

Ric Bucher just said on Sportscenter McDyess is choosing between Detroit and SA. He says if the spurs sign him they will have narrowed the gap between themselves and the lakers. He said "if I was to guess I bet he will sign with San Antonio." Plus, detroit can't pay him as much and they just hired an unproven coach. I think the spurs have the upper hand right now.

[EricB]

Bucard just said on SC its looking like San Antonio, but he was wrong about Rasheed


Actually bucher called Rasheed to Boston.

[ajballer4]

Actually bucher called Rasheed to Boston.

Before that though, I'm pretty sure he said SA was a leading candidate. It was like a week ago on SC

[loveforthegame]

For once let Bucher be right. I've never wanted him to be more right about anything.

[Duncan2177]

It sounds as if he just wants Detroit to find more money.

Cmon Dice your not going to win jack shit with Detroit come down to south texas Dice it's a no brainer.

[ChumpDumper]

It sounds as if he just wants Detroit to find more money.I don't think that's possible given their commitments to other players.

[G-Nob]

Sounds like Bucher reads Yahoo! Sports.

[loveforthegame]

If it's really just between Detroit and SA then he's got to be leaning towards SA. More money and a better chance at winning a championship. Detroit is clearly rebuilding and moving in another direction. Which is fine.

I'm more concerned that Cleveland and Orlando could be holding his decision up.

[Spurs Brazil]

I hope McDonald read the news here and try so find something more

[lefty]

Sounds like Bucher reads Yahoo! Sports.
You beat me to it

[G-Nob]

I hope McDonald read the news here and try so find something more

He could try but his best bet is the agent. Spurs FO will not talk.

[z0sa]

Possibly signing McDyess shores up about 60% of the problem in our frontcourt. We need Blair, Bonner (or whoever), and Mahinmi to fill the rest of the gap.

[Spurs Brazil]

If it's really just between Detroit and SA then he's got to be leaning towards SA. More money and a better chance at winning a championship. Detroit is clearly rebuilding and moving in another direction. Which is fine.

I'm more concerned that Cleveland and Orlando could be holding his decision up.

Art Garcia from NBA.com said he won't be back in Detroit

Detroit has already lost Rasheed Wallace in free agency to the rival Celtics, and won't be bringing back fellow veterans Allen Iverson and Antonio McDyess. The arrival of Gordon likely means the end of Rip Hamilton's stay in Motown. Another mainstay, Tayshaun Prince, could also be on the move.

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/07/07/pistons.johnson/index.html

[lefty]

Art Garcia from NBA.com said he won't be back in Detroit

Detroit has already lost Rasheed Wallace in free agency to the rival Celtics, and won't be bringing back fellow veterans Allen Iverson and Antonio McDyess. The arrival of Gordon likely means the end of Rip Hamilton's stay in Motown. Another mainstay, Tayshaun Prince, could also be on the move.

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/07/07/pistons.johnson/index.html
:wow

[G-Nob]

Tayshaun?!?!?!?

Where do I sign?!?!?

[Spurs Brazil]

Spurs out in front for McDyess
By Jeff McDonald on Jul 7, 09 05:14 PM | Permalink | Comments (0) Save & Share Yahoo! BuzzYahoo! Newsvine del.icio.us Facebook Google Reddit Fark
The Spurs have emerged as the frontrunner in the chase to land free-agent forward Antonio McDyess.

According to a league executive with knowledge of the negotiations, the Spurs have offered McDyess a three-year deal starting at the full mid-level exception, with the third year partially guaranteed.
It has been widely speculated that McDyess, 34, will play only two more years. If the Spurs' rumored bid is true, the Spurs have essentially sweetened their best offer by guaranteeing McDyess a bit of money for retirement in 2011-12.

The 6-foot-9 McDyess emerged as the Spurs' top target after Rasheed Wallace -- McDyess' former teammate in Detroit -- agreed to terms with Boston earlier this week. He is also being pursued by Cleveland and Orlando.

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2009/07/spurs-out-in-fr.html

[Libri]

How do the Spurs convince McDyess that they need him?

Just show him the Spurs roster at PF/C. That should do the trick.

[slick'81]

3 year deal fucking wow?!?!

[EricB]

Spurs added a partially gauranteed 3rd year. Nice.

[Obstructed_View]

I'd rather gamble on Dice's health than Rasheed's head. Money well spent IMO.

[Bruno]

It has been widely speculated that McDyess, 34, will play only two more years. If the Spurs' rumored bid is true, the Spurs have essentially sweetened their best offer by guaranteeing McDyess a bit of money for retirement in 2011-12.


Nice.
Spurs got Hedo and RJ with these kind of contracts.

[anakha]

3 year deal fucking wow?!?!

That third year may be a moot point. For all we know, the championship window could be slammed shut by then.

[loveforthegame]

I'm just fine with the deal they're offering him. :tu

Come on McDyess, time to sign up.

[flacoflee]

make it happen captain :lobt2:

[EricB]

Please oh please....

[clubalien]

Spurs out in front for McDyess
By Jeff McDonald \
According to a league executive with knowledge of the negotiations, the Spurs have offered McDyess a three-year deal starting at the full mid-level exception, with the third year partially guaranteed.
It has been widely speculated that McDyess, 34, will play only two more years. If the Spurs' rumored bid is true, the Spurs have essentially sweetened their best offer by guaranteeing McDyess a bit of money for retirement in 2011-12.

He is starting to get better that 3 year deal is some legit new info i think

[Mr. Body]

Those partially guaranteed final years wind up being pretty valuable.

[Spurs Brazil]

He is starting to get better that 3 year deal is some legit new info i think

It's funny that he can't get any scoop but he's good a get some info after it was 1st reported, like Big Baby and now Dice

[G-Nob]

Why do the Spurs need to sweeten the deal? What part of 'joining a championship contender' needs sweetening???

[EricB]

Yeah props to oldmac if he got that on his own.

[bigdog]

Excellent. Come on, Dice!

[anakha]

Why do the Spurs need to sweeten the deal? What part of 'joining a championship contender' needs sweetening???

Ask Maggette.

[benefactor]

Props to the FO in pulling out all the stops to try to lure him here. They obviously see the need and adding the third year is a nice extra incentive for Dice to head this way.

[Spurs Brazil]

Those partially guaranteed final years wind up being pretty valuable.

I think the Spurs is the best offer. If he doesn't accept is because he really doesn't want San Antonio

[EricB]

Wish I knew who the 260 guests watching this thread were.... :smokin

[rayray2k8]

That might have done it.. Dice would be stupid not take this deal.. That being said, I still don't think it's gonna happen. :lol
Glad to hear the spurs are pushing hard though. :)

[lurker23]

I think the Spurs is the best offer. If he doesn't accept is because he really doesn't want San Antonio

My thoughts exactly. :tu It's highly doubtful that anyone will match this offer, much less exceed it.

[tomtom]

I'll believe it when I see it, MLE seems a bit expensive for him but he could be a decent trade asset the season after

[Mr. Body]

Wish I knew who the 260 guests watching this thread were.... :smokin

McDyess's extended family?

[anonoftheinternets]

if this doesnt work, it really has nothing to do with spurs FO. I hope dice is not blinded by his loyalty. Cmon Dice, u can win a 'ship as a starter and contribute actively here. sign HERE _______________

[crc21209]

Spurs out in front for McDyess
By Jeff McDonald on Jul 7, 09 05:14 PM | Permalink | Comments (0) Save & Share Yahoo! BuzzYahoo! Newsvine del.icio.us Facebook Google Reddit Fark
The Spurs have emerged as the frontrunner in the chase to land free-agent forward Antonio McDyess.

According to a league executive with knowledge of the negotiations, the Spurs have offered McDyess a three-year deal starting at the full mid-level exception, with the third year partially guaranteed.
It has been widely speculated that McDyess, 34, will play only two more years. If the Spurs' rumored bid is true, the Spurs have essentially sweetened their best offer by guaranteeing McDyess a bit of money for retirement in 2011-12.

The 6-foot-9 McDyess emerged as the Spurs' top target after Rasheed Wallace -- McDyess' former teammate in Detroit -- agreed to terms with Boston earlier this week. He is also being pursued by Cleveland and Orlando.

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2009/07/spurs-out-in-fr.html


Alright 3 year deal I bet sounds pretty good to Dice right about now, now just agree to it damn it! :lol

[rayray2k8]

if this doesnt work, it really has nothing to do with spurs FO. I hope dice is not blinded by his loyalty. Cmon Dice, u can win a 'ship as a starter and contribute actively here. sign HERE _______________

someone just posted that Dice might not go back to Detroit.

[EricB]

McDyess's extended family?


Members of the media. Fo person. Ya never know :)

[vednam]

I'm worried that if McDyess does come, he'll turn out to be Kurt Thomas 2.0


I still wish Rasheed were available. McDyess doesn't have Sheed's length or his ability to stretch the floor.

[EricB]

Mcdyess is a great jumpshooter and can spread the floor. WTF?!??

[DPG21920]

I'm worried that if McDyess does come, he'll turn out to be Kurt Thomas 2.0


I still wish Rasheed were available. McDyess doesn't have Sheed's length or his ability to stretch the floor.

I agree my friend, but the Sheed is gone. There is nothing you can do about that now if you are the FO. You have to play the cards you are dealt. Dice is the best available, so you must target him.

[crc21209]

I'm worried that if McDyess does come, he'll turn out to be Kurt Thomas 2.0


I still wish Rasheed were available. McDyess doesn't have Sheed's length or his ability to stretch the floor.

Dice is more athletic for his age, mobile, can rebound better, score more, and possibly defend better or the same as Kurt Thomas.

[Sense]

McDyess is solid....

I'm sure he will not dissappoint like others have.

[rayray2k8]

Ask Maggette.

Blessing in disguise.. Who know Mason would have been the better fit??

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs out in front for McDyess
By Jeff McDonald on Jul 7, 09 05:14 PM | Permalink | Comments (0) Save & Share Yahoo! BuzzYahoo! Newsvine del.icio.us Facebook Google Reddit Fark
The Spurs have emerged as the frontrunner in the chase to land free-agent forward Antonio McDyess.

According to a league executive with knowledge of the negotiations, the Spurs have offered McDyess a three-year deal starting at the full mid-level exception, with the third year partially guaranteed.
It has been widely speculated that McDyess, 34, will play only two more years. If the Spurs' rumored bid is true, the Spurs have essentially sweetened their best offer by guaranteeing McDyess a bit of money for retirement in 2011-12.

The 6-foot-9 McDyess emerged as the Spurs' top target after Rasheed Wallace -- McDyess' former teammate in Detroit -- agreed to terms with Boston earlier this week. He is also being pursued by Cleveland and Orlando.

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2009/07/spurs-out-in-fr.html

Makes sense, just like Bowen's (IIRC), other than being for the full MLE. They could conceivably find another deal like the Jefferson deal using a partially guaranteed contract(s).

[DPG21920]

KT was a much better defender than McDyess. Not on the perimeter, but down low for sure.

[lefty]

Why do the Spurs need to sweeten the deal? What part of 'joining a championship contender' needs sweetening???
Because today's NBA players have an ego

[vednam]

I agree my friend, but the Sheed is gone. There is nothing you can do about that now if you are the FO. You have to play the cards you are dealt. Dice is the best available, so you must target him.



I hear you, but my comments are made with the thought that the FO didn't push real hard for Sheed (as some have speculated, though they could be wrong). If they could sweeten the deal for Dice, why not for Sheed?


Anyway, I just hope MyDyess doesn't get old in a hurry. The addition of Blair gives me more hope for the overall depth.

[Sense]

Mcdyess is a great jumpshooter and can spread the floor. WTF?!??

Yeah?

[DPG21920]

Makes sense, just like Bowen's (IIRC), other than being for the full MLE. They could conceivably find another deal like the Jefferson deal using a partially guaranteed contract(s).

Do you think that is likely? Another 3 for 1? Then will they fill up with minimum contracts for the youth group?

[jacobdrj]

if this doesnt work, it really has nothing to do with spurs FO. I hope dice is not blinded by his loyalty. Cmon Dice, u can win a 'ship as a starter and contribute actively here. sign HERE _______________

That could be a problem. He wants to win a a bench guy.
He prefers coming off the bench.

[lefty]

Can we sigh Dice and keep Gooden at the same time ??????????

[jacobdrj]

KT was a much better defender than McDyess. Not on the perimeter, but down low for sure.

KT was a better defender, no doubt. But McD is no slouch. His offensive production should make up for it.

[Mugen]

I'm worried that if McDyess does come, he'll turn out to be Kurt Thomas 2.0


I still wish Rasheed were available. McDyess doesn't have Sheed's length or his ability to stretch the floor.

KT was real solid for us while he was here and Dice would still be an upgrade over him.

no wonder you're a laker fan.

[Marcus Bryant]

Do you think that is likely? Another 3 for 1? Then will they fill up with minimum contracts for the youth group?

Could be. If he doesn't want to play 3 more years, then he'd get a little $ for retirement and another team would get some cap relief, just like the Bucks did.

I do think the Spurs are trying to set themselves to win a championship(s) in the final three seasons of Duncan's career and transition to life after him. In the case of McDyess, both goals might be met.

[loveforthegame]

I hear you, but my comments are made with the thought that the FO didn't push real hard for Sheed (as some have speculated, though they could be wrong). If they could sweeten the deal for Dice, why not for Sheed?

Maybe the Spurs offered Wallace the same deal and was still declined?

[SenorSpur]

McDyess has way much more in the tank than KT did when the Spurs acquired him. He will provide the Spurs just what they need from a starting PF.

[vednam]

McDyess has way much more in the tank than KT did when the Spurs acquired him. He will provide the Spurs just what they need from a starting PF.


What is your reason for saying this? Because McDyess missed several years due to injury? You may be right, I hope so.

I'm just saying that KT seemed to be the missing piece when he was added but he got old real fast and he clearly wasn't enough the last two years.

[Brazil]

Come on dice come on come here !

[lefty]

Can we sign Dice and keep Gooden at the same time ??????????

[CGD]

Maybe the Spurs offered Wallace the same deal and was still declined?

I think so, and maybe negotiations stalled because Sheed wanted a complete guarantee on the third year. Oh, and then add the summer lovefest put on by the Celtics FO and big 3...

[DPG21920]

Could be. If he doesn't want to play 3 more years, then he'd get a little $ for retirement and another team would get some cap relief, just like the Bucks did.

I do think the Spurs are trying to set themselves to win a championship(s) in the final three seasons of Duncan's career and transition to life after him. In the case of McDyess, both goals might be met.

Very true. With the way the league is seemingly headed, teams are making more shrewd moves. Those contracts can be nice trade chips and set you up to with cap space for the future as well.

[anakha]

Can we sign Dice and keep Gooden at the same time ??????????

Not unless Gooden's willing to play for the minimum.

[vander]

McDyess has way much more in the tank than KT did when the Spurs acquired him. He will provide the Spurs just what they need from a starting PF.

this comment got me thinking, and looking, food for thought:

career minutes played (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/mp_active.html)

McD has played more NBA minutes than kurt

[SenorSpur]

What is your reason for saying this? Because McDyess missed several years due to injury? You may be right, I hope so.

I'm just saying that KT seemed to be the missing piece when he was added but he got old real fast and he clearly wasn't enough the last two years.


You're right. We got KT way too late in his career. However my faith in Dice is that he averaged a double-double last season and Jamstone reported earlier, Dice has played more game for the Pistons in the last few years than has Sheed.

Based upon how Dice contributed last year, I'd be surprised if there is a rapid decline in his game.

[CGD]

Can we sign Dice and keep Gooden at the same time ??????????

Not if we offer Dice the full MLE as speculated.

Something tells me Ian is going to give us a nice surprise. I think once we fill our starting PF/C void, we're in good shape on bigs.

[Tully365]

In every photo I see of McDyess and Rasheed side by side they look the same height, but Rasheed is listed as 6'11" and Dice at 6'9". I'd bet both are closer to 6'10".

[Blackjack]

I'm almost afraid to speculate, but if that partially guaranteed 3rd year is true?

Absolutely brilliant move on the Spurs' part.:tu
(As has been said, partially guaranteed contracts are quality assets and you need to look no further than how the Spurs acquired Jefferson.)

'Dyess has always been my second choice, and I stand by my reasoning for 'Sheed, but 'Dyess will fit in seamlessly as a Spur. Hard-working, high-character, and a true professional. (Damn, Fin's going to be pissed when Pop dumps him at the curb. I keed, I keed.:lol)

The only concerns I have about 'Dyess are his ability to take the pressure off of Tim defensively in the post and his injury-history. Hopefully, the latter will not be a huge topic of conversation in the media (that goes for Blair too) because the last thing I want a player to be thinking about constantly is the fear of injury.

Great off-season if this comes to fruition.:tu


Wish I knew who the 260 guests watching this thread were.... :smokin

Howdy...:hat

[lefty]

Not if we offer Dice the full MLE as speculated.

Something tells me Ian is going to give us a nice surprise. I think once we fill our starting PF/C void, we're in good shape on bigs.


Not unless Gooden's willing to play for the minimum.
Ah ok.

Thanks

[lefty]

San Antonio McDyess !


Pun intended :D

[picnroll]

Spurs out in front for McDyess
By Jeff McDonald on Jul 7, 09 05:14 PM | Permalink | Comments (0) Save & Share Yahoo! BuzzYahoo! Newsvine del.icio.us Facebook Google Reddit Fark
The Spurs have emerged as the frontrunner in the chase to land free-agent forward Antonio McDyess.

According to a league executive with knowledge of the negotiations, the Spurs have offered McDyess a three-year deal starting at the full mid-level exception, with the third year partially guaranteed.
It has been widely speculated that McDyess, 34, will play only two more years. If the Spurs' rumored bid is true, the Spurs have essentially sweetened their best offer by guaranteeing McDyess a bit of money for retirement in 2011-12.

The 6-foot-9 McDyess emerged as the Spurs' top target after Rasheed Wallace -- McDyess' former teammate in Detroit -- agreed to terms with Boston earlier this week. He is also being pursued by Cleveland and Orlando.

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2009/07/spurs-out-in-fr.html

That's a better deal than was reportedly offered to Sheed. That must mean either:

1. They didn't make that offer to Sheed because they weren't really in the running anyway. Doubtful.
2. They wanted McDyess more. Who knows.
3. They figure they didn't get Sheed, they better get McDyess or their screwed.

[spursnatic]

i hope it wasn't the same source that said the spurs were the front runners for sheed as well...we all know how that turned out.Exactly!!.That is what sources were saying last year about Maggette too!!..Why the fuck would players not want to come to San Antonio?....

[Knoxxx]

(Damn, Fin's going to be pissed when Pop dumps him at the curb. I keed, I keed.:lol)

I thought I read Fin had a no-trade clause, maybe that was for 2008-9. Would love to see us get something decent for a Bonner/Finley package. Might like to see Mason stay, but throw him in too if necessary to make the salaries work and as a sweetener. Bonner's $4 million salary is what we really need rid of, but who would want it?

[crc21209]

So the offer is on the table...could we hear an answer by as soon as tonight...or tomorrow at the latest?

[ploto]

Not the best thing for the Spurs for info about a partially guaranteed third year to come out because some other team may offer the same sweetener. Then again, that may be the whole point of leaking that information out in the first place if it is coming from McDyess's people.

[angelbelow]

not a bad deal at all, he'll be a big trading piece once the 3rd year rolls around. and i love having high chaaracter guys in the locker room esp now that we are so young

[vander]

I thought I read Fin had a no-trade clause, maybe that was for 2008-9. Would love to see us get something decent for a Bonner/Finley package. Might like to see Mason stay, but throw him in too if necessary to make the salaries work and as a sweetener. Bonner's $4 million salary is what we really need rid of, but who would want it?

Seriously? :lol

[timvp]

Those partially guaranteed final years wind up being pretty valuable.

Exactly.

Major props to the Spurs for going all out for McDyess. The third year should really help sweeten the deal and gives the Spurs a great trading chip when the time comes.

Come on, Dice.

Do it.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

That's a better deal than was reportedly offered to Sheed. That must mean either:

1. They didn't make that offer to Sheed because they weren't really in the running anyway. Doubtful.
2. They wanted McDyess more. Who knows.
3. They figure they didn't get Sheed, they better get McDyess or their screwed.

I've kind of enjoyed 'Sheed being our poster boy for 3 point playoff daggers the last few years. I would have missed that had he signed with us anyway.

I've liked Dice better from the start so I hope this works out.

[Stand]

That's a better deal than was reportedly offered to Sheed. That must mean either:

1. They didn't make that offer to Sheed because they weren't really in the running anyway. Doubtful.
2. They wanted McDyess more. Who knows.
3. They figure they didn't get Sheed, they better get McDyess or their screwed.

or 4. He's the best big left on the floor and they don't feel that they can afford to not land him.

[tp2021]

or 4. He's the best big left on the floor and they don't feel that they can afford to not land him.

Thats the same as #3

[Brazil]

I found this comment on the dallas news blog...


Posted by Getting under their skin @ 4:53 PM Tue, Jul 07, 2009
McDyess? Great. SA is absolutely panicking over Marion coming to us. McDyess is a joke; always has been. What are they thinking. Go Mark. Keep making the Spurs panic.






:lmao:lmao

[timvp]

I've been watching a few Pistons games from last season the last few days and one thing McDyess can do that I didn't know he does so well is shoot on the move. The Pistons ran a lot of down screens for him and a lot of Michael Finley-esque curls to get him open from about 17-to-19 feet. He can catch coming off a curl and drain that jumper. He's not like Kurt Thomas who can only hit that shot if he's wide open and stationary.

Pop will love drawing up plays for McDyess. As a fifth option, he would be deadly in the Spurs offense.

[picnroll]

Not the best thing for the Spurs for info about a partially guaranteed third year to come out because some other team may offer the same sweetener. Then again, that may be the whole point of leaking that information out in the first place if it is coming from McDyess's people.
If McDonald knows it every ballboy in the league, let alone every GM, knows it or it's totally bogus information. Take your pick.

[mystargtr34]

Even if the Spurs get McDyess, I still think they need to look for a 7 footer with size. Obviously it will have to be for the minimum, but another big body will defniately help against teams like the Lakers and Cavs.

[crc21209]

I've been watching a few Pistons games from last season the last few days and one thing McDyess can do that I didn't know he does so well is shoot on the move. The Pistons ran a lot of down screens for him and a lot of Michael Finley-esque curls to get him open from about 17-to-19 feet. He can catch coming off a curl and drain that jumper. He's not like Kurt Thomas who can only hit that shot if he's wide open and stationary.

Pop will love drawing up plays for McDyess. As a fifth option, he would be deadly in the Spurs offense.

WOW. Never really noticed that about him either. This is going to be one hell of a season if this deal gets done. Please PLEASE let it get done.

[crc21209]

Even if the Spurs get McDyess, I still think they need to look for a 7 footer with size. Obviously it will have to be for the minimum, but another big body will defniately help against teams like the Lakers and Cavs.

Let's call up Kevin Willis again, I'm sure he as a few games left in him.:lol

[picnroll]

I've been watching a few Pistons games from last season the last few days and one thing McDyess can do that I didn't know he does so well is shoot on the move. The Pistons ran a lot of down screens for him and a lot of Michael Finley-esque curls to get him open from about 17-to-19 feet. He can catch coming off a curl and drain that jumper. He's not like Kurt Thomas who can only hit that shot if he's wide open and stationary.

Pop will love drawing up plays for McDyess. As a fifth option, he would be deadly in the Spurs offense.

... and Blair is supposed to set good picks.

[angelbelow]

Not the best thing for the Spurs for info about a partially guaranteed third year to come out because some other team may offer the same sweetener. Then again, that may be the whole point of leaking that information out in the first place if it is coming from McDyess's people.

true, if i were the gm i wouldnt have leaked the offered contract unless i knew it was good enough to scare.

[lurker23]

I've been watching a few Pistons games from last season the last few days and one thing McDyess can do that I didn't know he does so well is shoot on the move. The Pistons ran a lot of down screens for him and a lot of Michael Finley-esque curls to get him open from about 17-to-19 feet. He can catch coming off a curl and drain that jumper. He's not like Kurt Thomas who can only hit that shot if he's wide open and stationary.

Pop will love drawing up plays for McDyess. As a fifth option, he would be deadly in the Spurs offense.

Very interesting; that would be a great weapon to add to the Spurs playbook. Correct me if my memory fails me, but the only big men I can recall having that skill recently are Tim Duncan and Robert Horry; Thomas, Oberto, Elson, Mohammed, Nesterovic, and Bonner all seemed to be better when squaring up to the basket.

[Buddy Holly]

Parker/Hill/McClinton
Mason/Manu/Hairston
RJ/Gist/Finley
Tim/Blair/Bonner
Dice/Ian/Haislip

:wow

[mogrovejo]

McDyess is much better than Wallace now and he's been money with the mid-range jumpers since he came back from injury.

This is depressing.

[CGD]

Even if the Spurs get McDyess, I still think they need to look for a 7 footer with size. Obviously it will have to be for the minimum, but another big body will defniately help against teams like the Lakers and Cavs.

At the price range you suggest, don't we have that already with Ian?

[picnroll]

Very interesting; that would be a great weapon to add to the Spurs playbook. Correct me if my memory fails me, but the only big men I can recall having that skill recently are Tim Duncan and Robert Horry; Thomas, Oberto, Elson, Mohammed, Nesterovic, and Bonner all seemed to be better when squaring up to the basket.

I don't think Duncan shoots on the move.

[vednam]

I've been watching a few Pistons games from last season the last few days and one thing McDyess can do that I didn't know he does so well is shoot on the move. The Pistons ran a lot of down screens for him and a lot of Michael Finley-esque curls to get him open from about 17-to-19 feet. He can catch coming off a curl and drain that jumper. He's not like Kurt Thomas who can only hit that shot if he's wide open and stationary.

Pop will love drawing up plays for McDyess. As a fifth option, he would be deadly in the Spurs offense.


I'm interested in your opinion of McDyess's height.

He's listed at 6'9" (though in some photos he seems like he's as tall as some guys who are listed to be taller--from this my feeling is McDyess has an accurate listing while some other guys have exaggerated listings).

That is good enough to play the 4 with Tim playing the 5. But when the other guys in the front court rotation figure to be Blair and Bonner, that makes for a real lack of length (maybe Mahinimi can surprise and become a solid contributor?).

Even if McDyess signs with the Spurs, I'm afraid Tim will still be left alone in many ways without help against some of the bigger frontlines (like that of the Lakers, for instance).

[angelbelow]

I found this comment on the dallas news blog...


Posted by Getting under their skin @ 4:53 PM Tue, Jul 07, 2009
McDyess? Great. SA is absolutely panicking over Marion coming to us. McDyess is a joke; always has been. What are they thinking. Go Mark. Keep making the Spurs panic.






:lmao:lmao

:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

[benefactor]

I'm interested on your opinion of McDyess's height.

He's listed at 6'9" (though in some photos he seems like he's as tall as some guys who are listed to be taller--from this my feeling is McDyess has an accurate listing while some other guys have exaggerated listings).

That is good enough to play the 4 with Tim playing the 5. But when the other guys in the front court rotation figure to be Blair and Bonner, that makes for a real lack of length (maybe Mahinimi can surprise and become a solid contributor?).

Even if McDyess signs with the Spurs, I'm afraid Tim will still be left alone in many ways without help against some of the bigger frontlines (like that of the Lakers, for instance).
Huh? Blair has almost 9 feet of standing reach and a 7'2 wingspan. That is as good as most 6'10 guys.

[vednam]

Huh? Blair has almost 9 feet of standing reach and a 7'2 wingspan. That is as good as most 6'10 guys.



Thanks for the clarification. However, it's still not like having a legit 7-footer to help Tim.

[timvp]

I'm interested on your opinion of McDyess's height.

He's listed at 6'9" (though in some photos he seems like he's as tall as some guys who are listed to be taller--from this my feeling is McDyess has an accurate listing while some other guys have exaggerated listings).

That is good enough to play the 4 with Tim playing the 5. But when the other guys in the front court rotation figure to be Blair and Bonner, that makes for a real lack of length (maybe Mahinimi can surprise and become a solid contributor?).

Even if McDyess signs with the Spurs, I'm afraid Tim will still be left alone in many ways without help against some of the bigger frontlines (like that of the Lakers, for instance).
I think his height is fine. He's a solid 6-foot-9. In fact, his official draft combine height is only .25 inches shorter than Rasheed Wallace. Dice is probably taller than a lot of players in the league who are listed at 6-foot-10.

And on the low block, Dice puts up a mean fight. He's not a great post defender or a great help defender but his effort is undeniable. He's also pretty light on his fight. Thomas is a better post defender and Bonner is probably a better perimeter defender but the Spurs haven't had a total package like McDyess at a bigman position since ... maybe Horry's first year with the team before he lost a step on the perimeter.

[lurker23]

I don't think Duncan shoots on the move.

He doesn't do it a lot, since his face-up shot is higher percentage, but he's fully capable of doing so.

iodOwcsfKJg

Just watch the first part, and don't torture yourself with what happens after that shot.

[timvp]

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6876/dicechart.jpg

That is McDyess' shooting chart from these playoffs :wow

The nice thing is that Duncan likes to post up on the left side where McDyess has those grey numbers. Let McDyess stay on the other side and he'll be right in his sweet spot.

[FromWayDowntown]

I've been watching a few Pistons games from last season the last few days and one thing McDyess can do that I didn't know he does so well is shoot on the move. The Pistons ran a lot of down screens for him and a lot of Michael Finley-esque curls to get him open from about 17-to-19 feet. He can catch coming off a curl and drain that jumper. He's not like Kurt Thomas who can only hit that shot if he's wide open and stationary.

Pop will love drawing up plays for McDyess. As a fifth option, he would be deadly in the Spurs offense.

I honestly didn't watch much of the Pistons last year, but one great strength of McDyess's game for years had been his ability to score in pick and rolls. It was a while back, but in the 05 Finals, McDyess was scarily effective in side pick and rolls. His ability to shoot out of pick and rolls is eerily reminiscent (to me, at least) of David Robinson's pet jumper from the elbow in 2 man games late in his career.

I just don't see downside here. If this works out, the Spurs have managed to get younger at the wing, have found an effective and relatively-athletic rebounding big to pair with Tim, and have found 2 younger bigs (reminiscent of pairs like Landry and Hayes or Davis and Powe) to bolster the front line depth. Here's hoping McDyess is on his way and that the Spurs continue to be ruthlessly effective this offseason.

[picnroll]

He doesn't do it a lot, since his face-up shot is higher percentage, but he's fully capable of doing so.

iodOwcsfKJg

Just watch the first part, and don't torture yourself with what happens after that shot.

Down sceeens? Curls? No way.

[benefactor]

Thanks for the clarification. However, it's still not like having a legit 7-footer to help Tim.
There is just not any of those out there. Having a guy in McDyess that can score and rebound make just as much difference. Even if he can't defend some of the biggest front line players, he will help us win the battle on the boards...which is one that championship teams win.

[Buddy Holly]

Why are people who wanted Wallace questioning Dice?

Dude put up 10 and 10 last season and Wallace put up 12 and 7 playing more minutes.

In the playoffs, Wallace put up a pathetic 7 and 6 while Dice put up 13 and 9.

[coyotes_geek]

And on the low block, Dice puts up a mean fight. He's not a great post defender or a great help defender but his effort is undeniable. He's also pretty light on his fight. Thomas is a better post defender and Bonner is probably a better perimeter defender but the Spurs haven't had a total package like McDyess at a bigman position since ... maybe Horry's first year with the team before he lost a step on the perimeter.

That's the key right there. God it was painful this year having to watch Pop choose between guys who couldn't score and ones who couldn't defend. Dyess, assuming we get him, and Jefferson are going to add so much versatility to this team.